Researchers find evidence for a new fundamental constant of the Sun

Researchers find evidence for a new fundamental constant of the Sun
The Sun's corona - its outermost layer of atmosphere. Credit: Northumbria University, Newcastle

New research undertaken at Northumbria University, Newcastle shows that the sun's magnetic waves behave differently than currently believed.

Their findings have been reported in Nature Astronomy.

After examining data gathered over a 10-year period, the team from Northumbria's Department of Mathematics, Physics and Electrical Engineering found that magnetic waves in the sun's – its outermost layer of atmosphere – react to sound waves escaping from the inside of the sun.

These magnetic waves, known as Alfvénic waves, play a crucial role in transporting energy around the sun and the solar system. The waves were previously thought to originate at the sun's surface, where boiling hydrogen reaches temperatures of 6,000 degrees and churns the sun's magnetic field.

However, the researchers have found evidence that the magnetic waves also react – or are excited – higher in the atmosphere by sound waves leaking out from the inside of the sun.

The team discovered that the sound waves leave a distinctive marker on the magnetic waves. The presence of this marker means that the sun's entire corona is shaking in a collective manner in response to the sound waves. This is causing it to vibrate over a very clear range of frequencies.

This newly-discovered marker is found throughout the corona and was consistently present over the 10-year time-span examined. This suggests that it is a fundamental constant of the sun – and could potentially be a fundamental constant of other stars.

The findings could therefore have significant implications for our current ideas about how magnetic energy is transferred and used in stellar atmospheres.

Dr. Richard Morton, the lead author of the report and a senior lecturer at Northumbria University, said: "The discovery of such a distinctive marker – potentially a new constant of the sun – is very exciting. We have previously always thought that the were excited by the hydrogen at the surface, but now we have shown that they are excited by these . This could lead to a new way to examine and classify the behaviour of all stars under this unique signature. Now we know the signature is there, we can go looking for it on other stars.

"The sun's corona is over one hundred times hotter than its surface and energy stemming from the Alfvénic waves is believed to be responsible for heating the corona to a temperature of around one million degrees. The Alfvénic waves are also responsible for heating and accelerating powerful solar wind from the sun which travels through the solar system. These winds travel at speeds of around a million miles per hour. They also affect the atmosphere of stars and planets, impacting on their own magnetic fields, and cause phenomena such as aurora."

Dr. Morton added: "Our evidence shows that the sun's internal acoustic oscillations play a significant role in exciting the magnetic Alfvénic waves. This can give the waves different properties and suggests that they are more susceptible to an instability, which could lead to hotter and faster solar winds."

Dr. Morton and Professor McLaughlin are currently working with NASA to analyse images of the sun which were taken by NASA's High-Resolution Coronal Imager, Hi-C.

Their paper, "A basal contribution from p-modes to the Alfvenic wave flux in the sun's corona" is published in Nature Astronomy.


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More information: R. J. Morton et al. A basal contribution from p-modes to the Alfvénic wave flux in the Sun's corona, Nature Astronomy (2019). DOI: 10.1038/s41550-018-0668-9
Journal information: Nature Astronomy

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Feb 07, 2019
The "new" consideration of electric fields and currents...

Feb 07, 2019
The "new" consideration of electric fields and currents...


No it isn't. It is just the mechanism for the energy of the Alfven waves is now thought to be from sound waves. I do not see the words electric or current in the article. Not that such things do not exist at the Sun. One thing we can be sure of - it is powered by nuclear fusion.

Feb 07, 2019
Mighty powerful, them there thundermugs of the gods!

Feb 07, 2019
The paper is paywalled. The final couple of paragraphs are;

It is expected that p-modes can excite a number of Alfvénic modes and, if the non-thermal line widths are an accurate measure of the combined Alfvénic mode amplitudes this implies that the energy requirements to counter radiative losses in the corona (excluding active regions) may easily be met by Alfvénic modes.
Furthermore, the findings may have significant implications for many Alfvénic wave models of solar plasma heating and wind acceleration that largely neglect the additional energy contribution available from p-mode conversion in favour of excitation solely by the horizontal motions of the photospheric convection. Given that other cool, magnetized stars will have acoustic modes generated in their convective envelopes, p-modes potentially have an important role in energizing other stellar coronae as well.


Feb 07, 2019
"The sun's corona is over one hundred times hotter than its surface


That's impossible, it's a measurement error.

Feb 07, 2019
"The sun's corona is over one hundred times hotter than its surface


That's impossible, it's a measurement error.


Nope, it is accurate. Surface = ~5700 K. Corona = ~ 1 x 10^6 K.

Feb 07, 2019
Nope, it is accurate. Surface = ~5700 K. Corona = ~ 1 x 10^6 K.


Okay, but the corona temp can't be homogeneous... else how would they know the surface is only 5700 K?

Feb 07, 2019
Tell ya for sure it's 5700 K. That's the daylight setting for every camera.

Feb 07, 2019
Okay, but the corona temp can't be homogeneous... else how would they know the surface is only 5700 K?


Because there's more than one way to measure temperature.

Feb 07, 2019
Because there's more than one way to measure temperature.
This appears to be semantically null. What do you mean by "different ways to measure temperature?"

Feb 07, 2019
JD
"One thing we can be sure of - it is powered by nuclear fusion."

Fusion is certainly happening in the outer regions but what is going on in the core can not yet be determined and is probably quite exotic.

Feb 08, 2019
We can achieve the temperatures and pressures in the outer layers of the Sun easily here on Earth in the lab, We've been able to do so for fifty or sixty years. No fusion.

This is duh.

Feb 08, 2019
JD
"One thing we can be sure of - it is powered by nuclear fusion."

Fusion is certainly happening in the outer regions but what is going on in the core can not yet be determined and is probably quite exotic.


Lol. No way are you getting fusion at the temperatures and pressures of the photosphere. Really dumb thing to say.

Feb 08, 2019
No way are you getting fusion at the temperatures and pressures of the photosphere.

What a willfully ignorant thing to say, a plasma ignoramus through and through.

Feb 08, 2019
No way are you getting fusion at the temperatures and pressures of the photosphere.

What a willfully ignorant thing to say, a plasma ignoramus through and through.


You will not get fusion at those temperatures and pressures. Fact.

Feb 08, 2019
Like I said, willfully ignorant.

Feb 08, 2019
Like I said, willfully ignorant.


Nope, you are talking crap. If you weren't, you'd have backed it up with evidence. Dumbo.

Feb 08, 2019
Nope, it is accurate. Surface = ~5700 K. Corona = ~ 1 x 10^6 K.


Okay, but the corona temp can't be homogeneous... else how would they know the surface is only 5700 K?
Old_C_Code

What are you talking about? Why would whether corona temp being homogeneous effect how they know what its approximate average temperature is? There is variation in its temperature but that doesn't effect reliability of measurements much as its a trivial task in discriminating between different areas of different temperature at any one point in time. Do you think they measure its temperature with a mercury thermometer? You do know how they measure its temperature, right?

Feb 08, 2019
Nope, you are talking crap. If you weren't, you'd have backed it up with evidence. Dumbo.

The existence of plasmoids in the photosphere and corona is very well established. Plasmoids can and do create fusion. But why bother bringing evidence to the table when you will just ignore it some more.

Feb 08, 2019
Nope, you are talking crap. If you weren't, you'd have backed it up with evidence. Dumbo.

The existence of plasmoids in the photosphere and corona is very well established. Plasmoids can and do create fusion. But why bother bringing evidence to the table when you will just ignore it some more.


Bollocks. Link to the paper. If there was any significant fusion happening on or above, the surface, you cretin, we would see the gamma rays from it. In fact we wouldn't, because we wouldn't be here, you ignorant tosser.

Feb 08, 2019
Solar Magnetic Fields

It's all down to this Electric Universe of ours
and
this solar cycle
this sun expands and contracts gravitationally in tune with this solar cycle
compressively heating this fusion
that is driving this magnetic field
this field
which is driving these sunspots
theses solar flares
these loops of interconnecting magnetic loops
are reverberating back and forth at 10,000mph
with electrons in spiralling gamma-rays
where these magnetic fields passing energy into this Chromosphere
and untimely this Corona
This Electric Star - This Electric Universe

Feb 08, 2019
^^^^^WTF are you talking about?

Feb 08, 2019
These spiralling magnetic fields

Wound up in loops
oscillating motion is seen
which is interpreted in terms of swaying magnetic waves
these are similar
to
those that are seen to move along a taut string
or
as an up-and-down wave on a rope
these magnetic waves are of great interest
as
they are particularly good at transporting energy
along the magnetic structures and distributing it around the atmosphere of the Sun
these magnetic fields
are encircling each other, encircling the sun
In a sort of magnetic
Solar Wind Up
https://phys.org/...html#jCp

Feb 08, 2019
"That's impossible, it's a measurement error."
LOL...I understand why you would say this....laws of thermodynamics in complete opposition to the current solar model and all...that's why they call it "the coronal heating problem"....it's a problem when your model is completely effed up.
Also funny you said this: "Because there's more than one way to measure temperature." 13 hours ago..then 12 hours and 9 posts later you got the response: "Do you think they measure its temperature with a mercury thermometer? You do know how they measure its temperature, right?" to the same post you answered right underneath it with the above. I can only imagine how messed up Crackheads posts are..thud, thud, thud.

@Solon, good post...you can tell it is when complete idiots give you a one rating. It means you understand something on a level they don't.

I can only imagine what words are encompassed in the repeated thuds from Crackhead.


Feb 08, 2019
^^^^^^Scientifically illiterate dickhead.

Feb 08, 2019
Its irresistible
^^^^^^Scientifically illiterate dickhead.

Worthy of a high five


Feb 08, 2019
@Solon, good post...you can tell it is when complete idiots give you a one rating. It means you understand something on a level they don't.


https://scied.uca...-regions
https://solarscie...or.shtml
https://web.njit....e14.html
http://www.astron...es3.html
https://sites.ual...re8.html
http://www.lpl.ar...cted.pdf
http://earthguide..._2.shtml

Oops, your ignorance is showing.

Feb 08, 2019
"Oops, your ignorance is showing."

LMAO....what kind of special do you have to be to post a bunch of links of a model that doesn't match observations...and on top of it refer to someone who acknowledges ( and pokes fun at) said model as ignorant? Oh man this place is too funny....well, maybe making fun of the model is a bit ignorant...but not as ignorant as continuing to use it.

OK kittykat, 7 links to a flawed model that you don't understand is flawed or you wouldn't have linked it seven times...you must be able to explain a 5700K photosphere, a 1 000 000K corona and keep it all within the laws of physics as we know them...so....GO!!!

Explain it from your *ahem* level of (oh man...I'm dying here) understanding...BLAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh hey jones..thud.

Feb 08, 2019
SMH at idiots posting on the physics site who don't understand why pressure must increase toward the center of an astronomical body. This is like not getting hair.

Feb 08, 2019
OK kittykat, 7 links to a flawed model that you don't understand is flawed or you wouldn't have linked it seven times...you must be able to explain a 5700K photosphere, a 1 000 000K corona and keep it all within the laws of physics as we know them...so....GO!!!


https://www.zmesc...3421432/

Somebody may wish to re-quote this link, to show that the wanker redpillock is lying. Again.

Feb 08, 2019
what kind of special do you have to be to post a bunch of links of a model that doesn't match observations...


Which models were you posting that match observations?
Queue the "BLAHAHAHA!!!" etc.

You swallowed the red pill and now you're so woke.
Thank you Space Daddy for sending us this man who is smarter than NASA. He will lead us out of ignorance and into the light.

Feb 08, 2019
"Which models were you posting that match observations"

I wasn't...I just didn't post the flawed one seven times to attempt to prove....whatever the hell that does...so yup...another BLAHAHAHAHA moment courtesy of the physorg freakshow.

" He will lead us out of ignorance and into the light."
No, you have demonstrated this to be totally impossible...so he will laugh at you instead.

"SMH at idiots posting on the physics site who don't understand why pressure must increase toward the center of an astronomical body."

SMH at the idiots who are confused when a conversation has nothing to do with pressure at all because it is about temperature...then again, you were the guy who, in my initial post here ended up trying to prove your point by stating exactly what I did...ten posts after you attempted to argue that what I stated was wrong... slow clap.
" This is like not getting hair. "
That makes more sense than most of your posts....

Almost forgot...thud.


Feb 08, 2019
Nutjobs always confuse data with models.

Feb 08, 2019
http://www.tim-th...l#corona

Nice post by Tim that shows where the clueless cretin redpillock gets his nonsense from - the idiot Don Scott!

Feb 08, 2019
"Nutjobs always confuse data with models. "

So the Mainstream supporters here are all nutjobs....finally an explanation that fits the behaviour displayed here. Just to clarify....data 5700K surface temp 1000 000K corona, model demonstrating increasing pressure with depth and therefore temperature, is the corona just not part of the model? Did we re-write thermodynamics or...do you all just demonstrate a massive inability to scrutinize all aspects of your beliefs simultaneously?

Perhaps you can link the model 7 times as a response.....LMAO.

Thud.

Feb 08, 2019
Did we re-write thermodynamics or...do you all just demonstrate a massive inability to scrutinize all aspects of your beliefs simultaneously?


Read the links, you uneducated oaf. Thick swine.

Feb 08, 2019
SMH at the idiots who are confused when a conversation has nothing to do with pressure at all because it is about temperature


PV=nRT

Feb 08, 2019
If you had actually read the references you were given instead of dismissing them without examination, you'd know that there is hard evidence for where the heat is coming from. But nutjobs aren't interested in hard evidence.

Feb 08, 2019
SMH at the idiots who are confused when a conversation has nothing to do with pressure at all because it is about temperature


PV=nRT
Ohe noes, a model!!!!111!!oneoneeleventyone!

Snicker.

Feb 08, 2019
data 5700K surface temp 1000 000K corona, model demonstrating increasing pressure with depth and therefore temperature, is the corona just not part of the model? Did we re-write thermodynamics or...do you all just demonstrate a massive inability to scrutinize all aspects of your beliefs simultaneously?


Did you know temperatures in the Earth's thermosphere can reach 4,530 °F?
It's real toasty up there. We should warn the astronauts on the ISS.

Feb 08, 2019
"If you had actually read the references you were given instead of dismissing them "

LMAO...read seven links of reference material....you basement wannabes may have that kind of time. Productive humans do not.... producing verbal excrement doesn't count Jones.

"...you must be able to explain a 5700K photosphere, a 1 000 000K corona and keep it all within the laws of physics as we know them...so....GO!!!"

"PV=nRT"

BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Did you know temperatures in the Earth's thermosphere can reach 4,530 °F?
It's real toasty up there. We should warn the astronauts on the ISS."

Holy crap this is awesome....keep em coming...please keep em coming.


Feb 08, 2019
Like most nutjobs, this one doesn't get the difference between heat and temperature.

They're generally innumerate.

Feb 08, 2019
Holy crap this is awesome....keep em coming...please keep em coming.


Scientifically illiterate tosspot.

Feb 08, 2019
"Did you know temperatures in the Earth's thermosphere can reach 4,530 °F? "

I know you really meant to clarify that it is the matter in this region that is the above temperature as opposed to the entire region, but hey why split hairs right?

Oh look, the genius said it too...

Thud, thud

Feb 08, 2019
Did we re-write thermodynamics or....


Would somebody mind asking this cretin who is saying the second law of thermodynamics is being broken. With a link. And then point out the links I have already given that show the tosser to be wrong.

Feb 08, 2019
As usual it's been fun. It's clear you guys really like to demonstrate your immense understanding of how flawed models work and in Jones case, how morons attempt to find a place in society.

Just remember, heat increases with pressure....and increases with decreasing pressure, and you know exactly what is going inside the sun because you understand the model...this qualifies you to explain it those preoccupied with real physics. That's why I sought out your guidance. I got seven links to read so I can understand it properly now, followed by a speech explaining invisible gravity matter and how matter transforms itself into infinite density, capped off by a video describing a persistent echo travelling at speed C. Perhaps, after that I can brush up on how to heat a medium that cannot absorb it and make a little cash...cheers mensa poster boys.

Feb 08, 2019
^^^^Clueless idiot lost again, and now he's running away. As usual. Typical EU gobshite.

Feb 08, 2019
Not to mention the fact that the heat content of the photosphere and the corona might be the same, but their temperatures different.

Like I said, nutjobs don't get the difference between heat and temperature. They're innumerate.

Feb 08, 2019
They're innumerate.


It's a prerequisite of being an EU nutjob.

Feb 08, 2019
The heated topic of Temperature

Our Voyager Deux
A sentinel adrift
Crossing an interstellar boundary
Temperatures of one million Kelvin
Yet it slowly freezes to death
Can it demonstrate an extrapolation?
By way of magnetic excitation?
Then along comes an electric explanation
And an avoided confrontation
Like a weak veneer
As thin as imaginary soup.

Feb 08, 2019
As usual it's been fun.


Translated:
"I gotta go now, Momma is hollerin' at me to come scrub her back."

At least you've got your Totinos pizza rolls and Mountain Dew to look forward to after you finish up.

Feb 08, 2019
JD:
"Lol. No way are you getting fusion at the temperatures and pressures of the photosphere. Really dumb thing to say".

There are other ways than temperature and pressure, smeghead.


Feb 08, 2019
JD:
"Lol. No way are you getting fusion at the temperatures and pressures of the photosphere. Really dumb thing to say".

There are other ways than temperature and pressure, smeghead.



Really, shitforbrains? Please do enlighten us, and then link to the paper that is suggesting such a thing. And tell us why we do not see the gamma signature of this woo. Take your time.

Feb 08, 2019
Really, shitforbrains? Please do enlighten us, and then link to the paper that is suggesting such a thing. And tell us why we do not see the gamma signature of this woo. Take your time.


OK, that's enough time. Time to back up the baseless assertion. Or admit that you made it up.


Feb 08, 2019
If there was any significant fusion

Nice backpedal, now were are talking about "significant" fusion I guess. Quantify "significant" please.

Feb 08, 2019
If there was any significant fusion

Nice backpedal, now were are talking about "significant" fusion I guess. Quantify "significant" please.


Enough to account for the neutrino flux observed. Which just happens to match that predicted by theory for a star fully powered by nuclear fusion. The only reason I added the word 'significant', was due to the fact that I think I've read of very occasional gammas from solar flares.

Feb 08, 2019
The only reason I added the word 'significant', was due to the fact that I think I've read of very occasional gammas from solar flares.

And somehow we aren't fried chicken. Weird...

Feb 08, 2019
The only reason I added the word 'significant', was due to the fact that I think I've read of very occasional gammas from solar flares.

And somehow we aren't fried chicken. Weird...


Stupid idiot. I said 'occasional'. The Earth's atmosphere will deal with that. It would not survive a 4.5 Ga onslaught from all the gamma from nuclear reactions that are consistent with the neutrino count. If that was happening near, at or above the surface, the atmosphere would likely never have developed, and any land creatures would not have evolved. The reason that we know this nuclear fusion is happening is due to the neutrino counts. We know it is happening at great depth, because we are here to detect the neutrinos. By the time the gammas have made their way to the photosphere, they have lost energy, and we see them as mostly visible light.

Astrophysics 101.

Feb 08, 2019
This was fun, since the newly discovered mechanism for magnetic waves pushes them even further from the claim that they have anything to do with 'currents feeding stars with energy' by not involving ionized hydrogen but pressure modes even more basally driven by fusion thermodynamics. But of course the trolls would claim a Pyrrhic victory!

Also, that the interest in the corona is because it - like Earth stratosphere - is in a severe and hard to naively understand disequilibrium is somewhat basic to these articles. It is of course good to ask if this is new fact, but claiming "measurement error" when it is the - obviously well tested - core of the interest is not very constructive.

Quantify "significant" please.


What planet do you live on? Within astrophysics that would be standard 5 sigma significance. But in everyday non-quantified speak it would mean something idealized as "less than 5 %" or so,

Feb 08, 2019
[duplicate]

Feb 08, 2019
But in everyday non-quantified speak it would mean something idealized as "less than 5 %" or so,


Agree with everything you've said. And I realise that 5% is just an example figure. However, the amount of fusion from flares will be far less than that, and insignificant when accounting for neutrino fluxes. I believe RHESSI might have seen some but, as I say, it is really insignificant.
The electric fools needed to explain the neutrino flux, back in the day when we were still missing 2/3rds of it. An idiot called Don Scott, who is one of their high priests (a retired electrical engineer!), proposed it to be happening in the chromosphere, due to some double layer bollocks. The guy is a fruitloop, and didn't understand the implications of such a thing. Suffice to say that the EU idiots who follow him are too stupid to see why he cannot be right.

Feb 08, 2019
JD:
"Lol. No way are you getting fusion at the temperatures and pressures of the photosphere. Really dumb thing to say".

There are other ways than temperature and pressure, smeghead.



Really, shitforbrains? Please do enlighten us, and then link to the paper that is suggesting such a thing. And tell us why we do not see the gamma signature of this woo. Take your time.

You can search for some papers by R.F.Sawyer on resonant fusion.

Feb 08, 2019
Guys,

Calm down and consider the following questions before 'digging in' on temp/pressure/fusion aspects.

1. What are the Temperatures of the fusing medium in man-made fusion devices?

2. What are the Pressures of the fusing medium in man-made fusion devices?

3. Does not the Sun emit Gamma-rays as part of its overall emissions spectrum?

4. If, as is well known, the Interior-created Gamma-rays radiation are absorbed/re-emitted/re-absorbed etc MYRIAD times before their energy exits the sun, doesn't it effectively mean that ALL solar Gamma-rays are EVENTUALLY emissions from the 'Surface material' of the sun (ie, photosphere/chromosphere/corona)?

5. How frequent/ubiquitous all over the solar photosphere/chromosphere/corona are the (now well known) Plasmoid and Flux-tube-pinch related fusion events/radiations?

Good luck, good thinking and courteous discussing, all. :)

Feb 08, 2019
JD:
"Lol. No way are you getting fusion at the temperatures and pressures of the photosphere. Really dumb thing to say".

There are other ways than temperature and pressure, smeghead.



Really, shitforbrains? Please do enlighten us, and then link to the paper that is suggesting such a thing. And tell us why we do not see the gamma signature of this woo. Take your time.

You can search for some papers by R.F.Sawyer on resonant fusion.


Can't be arsed. What has it got to do with the neutrino count from the Sun? We know that neutrinos are only produced by fusion, and we know that we managed to evolve to detect them. Fusion produces gamma rays. If it wasn't happening in the core, we'd be fuxxed. Dumb stuff. Tell Don Scott. He is an idiot.

Feb 08, 2019
Good luck, good thinking and courteous discussing, all. :)


Don't talk shite. The standard model of the Sun is proven beyond any doubt. Earth experiments on fusion cannot create the pressures at the solar core. Even if they could, p-p fusion is an incredibly slow and wasteful way to go. They use tritium. At 100s of millions of degrees. Bugger off.

Feb 08, 2019
@jonesdave.
Good luck, good thinking and courteous discussing, all. :)


Don't talk shite. The standard model of the Sun is proven beyond any doubt. Earth experiments on fusion cannot create the pressures at the solar core. Even if they could, p-p fusion is an incredibly slow and wasteful way to go. They use tritium. At 100s of millions of degrees. Bugger off.
BOTH 'sides' were politely asked to consider certain questions which could impact EITHER 'side's' arguments/assertions, mate. That you chose (again) to assume and insult rather than just politely answer those questions for yourselves/each other, indicates you are not here for science discourse, but to express whatever pent-up frustrations you may have in your online/offline work/life. Please try to curb your all-too-obvious 'Tourette's syndrome' prompted ejaculations; and just calm down and discuss without presumptions/prejudices (which may be the source/cause of your frustrated/Tourette's condition. :)

Feb 08, 2019
JD:
"We know that neutrinos are only produced by fusion,..."
What about electron positron annihilations?

Feb 08, 2019
The reason that we know this nuclear fusion is happening is due to the neutrino counts

Neutrino counts don't match theory, assumption only solves the problem.
the newly discovered mechanism for magnetic waves pushes them even further from the claim that they have anything to do with 'currents feeding stars with energy'

Quite the opposite is true, the magnetic waves are created by electric currents. The amplifying resonance waves are due to the vibration of the particles in those currents and electric fields. The large scale aspect in which the whole corona rings indicates the large scale currents feeding the Sun are responsible.
The standard model of the Sun is proven beyond any doubt

Opposite world as usual. The predictive record of the standard guesswork is an utter train wreck of a failure. Many aspects of the Sun are completely unexplainable in the standard guesswork.

Feb 08, 2019
JD:
"We know that neutrinos are only produced by fusion,..."
What about electron positron annihilations?

Gamma rays are produced, but joedumb will only believe in the neutrino count as proof.
So, has anyone got a neutrino detector lying around in working condition?
as for fusion, there is more than one way to produce the same signal.

Feb 08, 2019
We know that neutrinos are only produced by fusion,

You can search for some papers by R.F.Sawyer on resonant fusion.

The above article is discussing resonance yet jonesdumb scoffs at it's significance.

Feb 09, 2019
Neutrino counts don't match theory, assumption only solves the problem


Yes they do, liar.

Feb 09, 2019
JD:
"We know that neutrinos are only produced by fusion,..."
What about electron positron annihilations?

Gamma rays are produced, but joedumb will only believe in the neutrino count as proof.
So, has anyone got a neutrino detector lying around in working condition?
as for fusion, there is more than one way to produce the same signal.


No there isn't. Many, many decades ago, scientists, working on the very reasonable assumption that the laws of physics hold true, worked out what the neutrino count that should be were fusion to be the mechanism. In 2019, we see that those predictions are amazingly accurate. Meanwhile, we have a bunch of scientifically illiterate morons, suggesting the Sun is powered by some invisible current. Lol. Try harder, woo boys.

Feb 09, 2019
We know that neutrinos are only produced by fusion,

You can search for some papers by R.F.Sawyer on resonant fusion.

The above article is discussing resonance yet jonesdumb scoffs at it's significance.


It is irrelevant. We know from the energy of the detected neutrinos that the bulk of it, as predicted, comes from p-p fusion. You cretins have been lied to for so long, by idiots like Scott and Thornhill, that you never even bother to check their lies. They are liars and idiots. Fusion in the chromosphere! Lol.

Feb 09, 2019
Anybody like me to un-paywall this paper?;

Neutrinos from the primary proton–proton fusion process in the Sun
Borexino Collaboration
https://www.natur...ure13702

Maybe I should, so that lying morons such as Scott and Thornhill can read it. The electric sun is a science-free fairy story, cobbled together by idiots who are unqualified to understand what they are talking about. You have been lied to, woo boys.

Feb 09, 2019
^^^^^^^ Actually, no need to un-paywall it;

http://mcba11.phy...60/n.pdf

That's hosted by an Australian university. Isn't the fraud Thornhill an Australian? Strange that he's never commented on it. Not.

Feb 09, 2019
We know that neutrinos are only produced by fusion,

You can search for some papers by R.F.Sawyer on resonant fusion.

The above article is discussing resonance yet jonesdumb scoffs at it's significance.


Have you even read any of the papers? It is nothing to do with p-p fusion. It is about the fusion possibly occurring as matter is accreted onto a neutron star. Which EUists don't believe in. And about fusion in supernovae. Which EUists don't believe in. Way to shoot yourselves in the foot. Don't understand scientific papers, do you woo boys? Rhetorical.

Feb 09, 2019
Still SMH over the nutjobs who don't get why there can't be pervasive fusion in the outer layers of the Sun.

It's called the equation of state, nutjobs.

https://en.wikipe...of_state

Equations of state are useful in describing the properties of fluids, mixtures of fluids, solids, and the interior of stars.

Feb 09, 2019
It is nothing to do with p-p fusion.

You are the one with the p-p fetish, you like 'em big don't you.
It is about the fusion possibly occurring as matter is accreted onto a neutron star. Which EUists don't believe in.

No one doubts astronomers observe these energetic objects, the speculation they are made of fanciful neutronium or strange matter is laughable.
And about fusion in supernovae. Which EUists don't believe in.

Once again, no one doubts explosive events occur but it has nothing to do with the faerie tales of the standard guesswork.

Feb 09, 2019
It's called the equation of state, nutjobs

Not surprisingly, da schnied introduces irrelevant maths concepts to the discussion.

Feb 09, 2019
It is nothing to do with p-p fusion.

You are the one with the p-p fetish, you like 'em big don't you.
It is about the fusion possibly occurring as matter is accreted onto a neutron star. Which EUists don't believe in.

No one doubts astronomers observe these energetic objects, the speculation they are made of fanciful neutronium or strange matter is laughable.
And about fusion in supernovae. Which EUists don't believe in.

Once again, no one doubts explosive events occur but it has nothing to do with the faerie tales of the standard guesswork.


So why did you and the idiot Solon bring up something that you don't agree with? Dummy.

Feb 09, 2019
It's called the equation of state, nutjobs

Not surprisingly, da schnied introduces irrelevant maths concepts to the discussion.


No, it isn't irrelevant. It is simply beyond your comprehension. Given the crap you believe, that is not surprising.

Feb 09, 2019
No one doubts astronomers observe these energetic objects, the speculation they are made of fanciful neutronium or strange matter is laughable.


Really? Point me to the scientific work where this is claimed. Not to the website of some scientifically illiterate Australian Velikovskian tosser.


Feb 09, 2019
You are the one with the p-p fetish, you like 'em big don't you


Cretin. The energy spectrum of the detected neutrinos is consistent with p-p fusion. The work of Sawyer would show very different energy spectra. That is the point, you dumb bugger.

Feb 09, 2019
Sound waves oscillating magnetic waves transfer energy in fusion

Sound waves leave a distinctive marker on the magnetic waves
The presence of this marker means that the sun's entire corona is shaking in a collective manner
in response to the sound waves
This is causing it to vibrate over a very clear range of frequencies.

In our fusion reactors
with their magnetic containment field
by utilising solar fusion sound waves
in the containment fields plasma
will be duplicating the different fusion process's
because the sun is more subtle
Than our sledge hammer to crack a nut approach in fusion

Feb 09, 2019
because the sun is more subtle
Than our sledge hammer to crack a nut approach in fusion


Wrong. The p-p fusion process is very inefficient. That is why they use tritium. You really should stop commenting on things you don't understand.

Feb 09, 2019
Utilising solar fusion sound waves
because the sun is more subtle
Than our sledge hammer to crack a nut approach in fusion

Wrong. The p-p fusion process is very inefficient. That is why they use tritium. You really should stop commenting on things you don't understand.

Commenting on comments of things you don't understand
requires a requisite of reading of comments
As of sound waves, not tritium

Feb 09, 2019
^^^^^^^WTF are you talking about? Are you now saying the people who design fusion experiments don't know what they're doing? Along with the people who measure neutrino mean lifetimes? Tell me - what are your qualifications for questioning these people? You don't have any, do you? You would run a mile if one of those scientists turned up on here. You are a clueless eejit, who has delusions of grandeur. You know squat.

Feb 09, 2019
Theredpill
Has you summed up
^^^^^^^WTF are you talking about?.

To a T, Thud, thud

Feb 09, 2019
Theredpill
Has you summed up


Another scientifically illiterate twat. Your point is? When are you going to describe your single neutron experiment, you clueless clown? Get on with it.

Feb 09, 2019
To a T, Thud, thud

To jonesdumb the sound of the whoosh of the point flying over his head is as common as the beat of his desolate heart.

Feb 09, 2019
To a T, Thud, thud

To jonesdumb the sound of the whoosh of the point flying over his head is as common as the beat of his desolate heart.


Sorry, shitforbrains? You have just been shown up royally, and you are still commenting? Why? Scientifically illiterate loon.

Feb 09, 2019
You have just been shown up royally...

Shown up by speculation and assumption. Royally!

Feb 10, 2019
You have just been shown up royally...

Shown up by speculation and assumption. Royally!


No, by observation, you tosser. Read the papers. Dickhead.

Feb 10, 2019
The trolls always wind up denying data and claiming it's theories.

We shouldn't even bother with people like this.

If they got no votes and no replies for a year they'd be gone, and it would be shorter than the years they've been disturbing the site.

Feb 10, 2019
This Corona is this plasmatic atmosphere of our Sun

As this solar atmosphere
likened to boiling water molecules
water molecules that maketh steam
as any molecule knows
whether it be steam or plasma
as this corona is tenuous
this is because
just as water on the point of boil
but not quite boiling
these tenuous molecules have a higher energy than the mass of water or plasma
so just above this boiling water or plasma
there exists a tenuous cloud of high temperature molecules
so
one and all
this is why this corona temperature
is millions of degrees
this is why it is tenuous
some molecules hath this affinity for warmth
millions of degrees of warmth
as
the saying goes
in this high temperature tenuous plasma
it is all in the quasi neutrality
This temperature is quasi neutral

It is not the high temperature we believe it to be
If we were to enter this corona
We would freeze at this frigid temperature of this vacuum!

Feb 10, 2019
No, by observation, you tosser. Read the papers.

Most papers you claim to be relevant are merely faerie tales proffered by plasma ignoramuses, not worth the paper they're printed on. As already mentioned, the predictive value of the standard guesswork is pathetic at best, completely nonsensical at worst. Only a continuous stream of unscientific ad hoc patches and guesses keeps it relevant in the minds of the easily duped. In turn morons such as yourself rely on lies and disinformation to trivialize alternative POV, utterly unscientific tactics to save face in spite of facts.

Dickhead.

Lest we not forget vulgarities and other meathead revelations.

Feb 10, 2019
Most papers you claim to be relevant are merely faerie tales proffered by plasma ignoramuses,


Dickhead. Nothing to do with plasma, you cretin. It is about the detection of neutrinos and their energy spectra, which show the idiots Thornhill, Scott and Juergens to be the scientifically illiterate loons that we all know them to be.

Feb 10, 2019
Most papers you claim to be relevant are merely faerie tales proffered by plasma ignoramuses,


So, who are these people that aren't plasma ignoramuses according to the plasma ignoramus cantthink? Not Alfven or Peratt. They would both tell you that the Sun is powered by fusion. Anyone else? Whoops, forgot - you don't have any plasma physicists in EU, do you? Lol.

Feb 10, 2019
Nothing to do with plasma, you cretin.

Right, these plasma processes which occur on the plasma dominated Sun has nothing to do with plasma...So claims the poster child of the plasma ignoramuses and adolescent name-callers.
Not Alfven or Peratt. They would both tell you that the Sun is powered by fusion.

More lies proffered by jonesdumb as described above. What did Peratt say about Scott's book 'The Electric Sky' (about the electric sun)?

"It is gratifying to see the work of my mentor, Nobel Laureate Hannes Alfvén enumerated with such clarity. I am also pleased to see that Dr. Scott has given general readers such a lucid and understandable summary of my own work." --Anthony L. Peratt, PhD, USC, Fellow of the IEEE (1999), former scientific advisor to the U.S. Department of Energy and member of the Associate Laboratory Directorate of the Los Alamos National Laboratory. He is the author of Physics of the Plasma Universe

Seems like an endorsement of an electric sun.

Feb 10, 2019
Seems like an endorsement of an electric sun.


Wrong. And neutrino detections have nothing to do with plasma, you cretin. There is no fusion on or above the surface that can account for the neutrino detections. Scott is a moron, who is clueless about the relevant science. You have no mechanisms, no evidence and no science. It is a complete failure, only believed in by scientifically illiterate mythologists.

Feb 10, 2019
And neutrino detections have nothing to do with plasma

Show us fusion that doesn't involve plasma processes. Good luck!

Feb 10, 2019
And neutrino detections have nothing to do with plasma

Show us fusion that doesn't involve plasma processes. Good luck!


Dafuq are you talking about, you nutjob. Show us why the neutrino detections and energy spectra don't totally crap all over your idiotic electric sun woo. It is dead. It was never alive, actually. Nobody of any scientific note ever believed it.

Feb 10, 2019
Moron says "dafuq are you talking about?"

Whoosh....

Still unable to grasp the fact neutrino counts in no way support the standard guesswork without ad hoc epicycles, heh jonesdumb?

Feb 10, 2019
Moron says "dafuq are you talking about?"

Whoosh....

Still unable to grasp the fact neutrino counts in no way support the standard guesswork without ad hoc epicycles, heh jonesdumb?


WTF are you talking about, you cretin? Neutrino counts and their spectra confirm the standard model, and shits all over your dumb woo. Get over it. Not a single scientist is saying otherwise. Just a bunch of scientifically illiterate loons.

Feb 10, 2019
Only 1/3 of the expected neutrino flux has been observed, the other 2/3 has only been explained away via epicyclical ad hocery.

Feb 10, 2019
Only 1/3 of the expected neutrino flux has been observed, the other 2/3 has only been explained away via epicyclical ad hocery.


Wrong. You are about 15 years out of date, you idiot.

Feb 10, 2019
epicyclical ad hocery.


Ignorant loon. What is that supposed to mean, you uneducated tool? And who is saying this? Idiots like Scott and Thornhill? Why would anyone take any notice of those two cranks?

Feb 10, 2019
epicyclical ad hocery.


I presume the idiot cantthink is referring to the Nobel Prize winning discovery of neutrino oscillation? How can that possibly compete with a bunch of unscientific nonsense from idiots like Thornhill and Scott? Lol.

Feb 10, 2019
You are about 15 years out of date

We are measuring the same flux as we were 15 years ago, the only difference being the assumed flavor change in just the right quantities. It's all very convenient, just like DM is always conveniently located just where needed. That is how the "science" of astrophysics is done these days.

Feb 10, 2019
You are about 15 years out of date

We are measuring the same flux as we were 15 years ago, the only difference being the assumed flavor change in just the right quantities. It's all very convenient, just like DM is always conveniently located just where needed. That is how the "science" of astrophysics is done these days.


Wrong. It is measured. In the lab. For which a Nobel Prize was awarded. Get up to date, dummy.


Feb 10, 2019
I know, I know, statistical gymnastics "proves" it.

Feb 10, 2019
I know, I know, statistical gymnastics "proves" it.


Measurement, you mean.

https://en.wikipe...illation

Feb 10, 2019
How thick is cantthink? Read the papers. Read the link. You are a total dick. You live in denialville. Wazzock.

Feb 10, 2019
I can't be arsed to read all the bollocks suggesting that our Sun is not known to mainly generate energy by p-p fusion [ https://en.wikipe...r_fusion ].

But it is fun to see the trivial errors. Here we have people suggesting that:

1) Neutrinos are generated in electron-positron collisions - which would be rare energy *source* in a matter star - but they are mostly not [ https://en.wikipe...hilation ].
2) Insufficient neutrinos are generated - which was early believed to be the case since the Standard model does not fix neutrino masses - but due to neutrino masses and hence oscillations they are not [ https://en.wikipe...illation ]: "recognized with the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physics ... Solar neutrino experiments combined with KamLAND have measured the so-called solar parameters Δm2
sol and sin2θsol."
3) Other fusion mechanisms are significant in stars of Sun size, but they are not (1st link).

Feb 10, 2019
I can't be arsed to read all the bollocks suggesting that our Sun is not known to mainly generate energy by p-p fusion [ https://en.wikipe...r_fusion ]: "recognized with the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physics ... Solar neutrino experiments combined with KamLAND have measured the so-called solar parameters Δm2
sol and sin2θsol."
3) Other fusion mechanisms are significant in stars of Sun size, but they are not (1st link).

Thank you!

Feb 11, 2019
How thick is cantthink? Read the papers. Read the link. You are a total dick. You live in denialville. Wazzock.


Exactly as thick or thicker than gran,RC,StupidEgg,Benni the Magnificent...


Feb 11, 2019
Isotopes of Hydrogen to Helium4

As neutrons decay emitting protons
is to get the proton past the Coulomb force!
where isotopes of hydrogen, tritium
decays a neutron emitting a proton
creating isotopes of helium
by this neutron beta decay creating protons
hydrogen to isotopes of hydrogen to isotopes of helium to helium4
because
a proton by varying this beta decay creates neutrons from protons
all because an isolated proton cannot approach another's proton electric field
this is why the neutron exist is to create through istopes of hydrogen
this neutron enables the elements to form
which cometh to this star our sun
all it is creating at the moment, over billions of years, by isotopes of hydrogen, is Helium
as the saying goes quasi neutral
this suns energy output is quasi neutral
as the sun only has to beta decay protons and neutrons to create Helium4
With the obligatory neutrino output

Feb 11, 2019
@kl31415.
Exactly as thick or thicker than ...RC,......
Since you joined only late last year, you can be forgiven for being ill informed about me; and hence being ignorant of what has been happening for years now, ie: I am independent objective sole researcher, not one of 'the crowds' on any 'side' here; and I am also the only one here that mainstream recently increasingly confirming correct all along on many fronts. So, if you (like some others in the recent past) don't want to end up with even more egg all over your face due to your ill informed opining about a particular poster here (ie, me), I suggest you stick to discussing the science/logics rather than persons/things you have no factually based understanding about. Good luck in your future choices, mate. :)

Feb 11, 2019
only one here that mainstream recently increasingly confirming correct all along on many fronts.


Bullshit.

Feb 11, 2019
@jonesdave.
only one here that mainstream recently increasingly confirming correct all along on many fronts.


Bullshit.
Kneejerking in self-imposed ignorance and denial of the reality. Not good, jd.

Feb 11, 2019
@jonesdave.
only one here that mainstream recently increasingly confirming correct all along on many fronts.


Bullshit.
Kneejerking in self-imposed ignorance and denial of the reality. Not good, jd.


You haven't got a clue what you are talking about, you loon.

Feb 11, 2019
@JonesD and anyone else interested
The paper is paywalled.
A basal contribution from p-modes to the Alfvénic wave flux in the Sun's corona

R. J. Morton, M. Weberg, J. A. McLaughlin
(Submitted on 11 Feb 2019)

https://arxiv.org...02.03811

Feb 12, 2019
So, if you (like some others in the recent past) don't want to end up with even more egg all over your face due to your ill informed opining about a particular poster here (ie, me), I suggest you stick to discussing the science/logics rather than persons/things you have no factually based understanding about. Good luck in your future choices, mate. :)


Fascinating statement - I have no factual based understanding about persons/things.

Mate, you should learn how to English first... Fact #1

Then learn some science, you know from books written by actual scientists with actual degrees and actual understanding of physics.
Fact #2

Nobody was discussing persons/things - it was a simple comparison based on gibberish you and your scientifically illiterate gnomes spew on here, that's a fact ;) #3


Feb 12, 2019
Oh look, @RC has a new fan who just loves its bloviating about science and its arrogant attitude. /s

Feb 12, 2019
@jonesdave.
@jonesdave.
only one here that mainstream recently increasingly confirming correct all along on many fronts.


Bullshit.
Kneejerking in self-imposed ignorance and denial of the reality. Not good, jd.


You haven't got a clue what you are talking about, you loon.
Meanwhile I am the one being increasingly confirmed correct all along on many fronts by recent mainstream discovery/reviews; while you and the other hapless 'Tourette's Syndrome' trolls keep ignoring the reality in order to continue your personal insults and denial campaign. You've learned nothing from the Bicep2 fiasco; because you are not only incompetent but also malignant mentalities that bring disrepute to real objective scientific endeavour. Pathetic, jd, pathetic.

Feb 12, 2019
@kl31415.
So, if you (like some others in the recent past) don't want to end up with even more egg all over your face due to your ill informed opining about a particular poster here (ie, me), I suggest you stick to discussing the science/logics rather than persons/things you have no factually based understanding about. Good luck in your future choices, mate.
I have no factual based understanding about persons/things...you should learn how to English first... Fact #1
Semantics in lieu of science is the telling indicator of the trolling nincompoop; and you just effectively self-identified as such, kl31415. Not good.
Then learn some science,.....Fact #2
Been three; done that. Thinking and comprehending objectively helps too; so you should try both sometime, kl31415.
...comparison based on gibberish...Fact #3
I am objective independent lone researcher, not part of a 'troll gang' like you, kl31415. And being correct is "gibberish" to trolls? Of course.

Feb 12, 2019
@Da Schneib.
Oh look, @RC has a new fan who just loves its bloviating about science and its arrogant attitude. /s
Being CORRECT is better than being WRONG, DS. And you, DS, were proven to be WRONG, and ME correct all along, despite your bloviating/arrogant trolling while being so wrong; as per our 'plasmoids in the sun' exchange in thread:

https://phys.org/...per.html

Not only that but many other instances as well have proved you to be the bloviating/arrogant troll who never learns from his many faux pas, DS. Not least, you and the other troll gang members STILL haven't learned from the bicep2 fiasco. You (and jd, and kl31415 etc) should at least learn when to keep your mouth(s) shut about me, DS. Good luck in your future choices, DS.

Feb 13, 2019
In memoriam of RealityCheck

From the ashes of this pyre
this Phoenix
anise's in the flames
to be reborn
as
BeingofCorrect

Arise Sir BeingofCorrect - long may you live long and prosper always BeingofCorrect

Feb 13, 2019
Being CORRECT is better than being WRONG, DS. And you, DS, were proven to be WRONG, and ME correct all along, despite your bloviating/arrogant trolling while being so wrong; as per our 'plasmoids in the sun' exchange in thread:

https://phys.org/...per.html

Not only that but many other instances as well have proved you to be the bloviating/arrogant troll who never learns from his many faux pas, DS. Not least, you and the other troll gang members STILL haven't learned from the bicep2 fiasco. You (and jd, and kl31415 etc) should at least learn when to keep your mouth(s) shut about me, DS. Good luck in your future choices, DS.


When your sentence doesn't make any sense, it's got nothing to do with semantics mate. ;)
But nice autogoal there,hehehe.

This just seems as auto reinforcement of your own delusions in being 'right', mate. Mmmkay?

Maybe an honest talk with a psychiatrist would help ?


Feb 13, 2019
ME correct all along, despite your bloviating/arrogant trolling while being so wrong; as per our 'plasmoids in the sun' exchange in thread:

https://phys.org/...per.html

Not only that but many other instances as well have proved you to be the bloviating/arrogant troll who never learns from his many faux pas, DS. Not least, you and the other troll gang members STILL haven't learned from the bicep2 fiasco. You (and jd, and kl31415 etc) should at least learn when to keep your mouth(s) shut about me, DS. Good luck in your future choices, DS.


So how is that ToE book getting on mate ?

Been almost 5 years since this thread mentioned here...


Feb 13, 2019
Sir BeingofCorrect arises from bended knee

To take his coveted role on phys.org
that role that is only bestowed to that rare few
that rare few that only exist in this virtual world
amongst the trollians and their bridges
uttering their theoretical genius
from under their bridge
a bridge
that is only occupied by that rare few
that privileged few
who are always Being of Correct
so
as TrollianBeingofCorrect
talks of trolls, goblins and creatures of the night
their exists

The ugly troll's bridge
A great ugly troll
with eyes as big as saucers
and a nose as long as a poker
who lives under a bridge

Who responds to the call
of BeingofCorrect
so when you pass under this bridge
where trolls, goblins, gnomes
and creature of the night exist
look out for protruding fins
as this is the finrot
of TrollianBeingofCorrect
under his bridge in words of wisdom
Always Being of Correct

Feb 13, 2019
@kl31415.
When your sentence doesn't make any sense, it's got nothing to do with semantics
When the troll reading it doesn't understand the substance in context, but instead chooses to 'attack' typos/wordings which do make sense in context, then that troll is just trolling semantics and avoiding addressing the substance.
So how is that ToE book getting on mate? Been almost 5 years since...
It's going nicely, thank you, mate. The reality-based physical aspects are complete; and the reality-based-axioms maths for modelling it is also nearly finished. The work covers ALL universal aspects, from space/energy to gravity/matter etc; and from a-priori states to evolved states observed. Not even the (failed) BB etc hypotheses could do that, hey; they don't actually identify/explain physical entities/mechanisms for producing the universe itself, from 'before big bang' up to what/why gravity etc effects arise. How long did BB take to formulate/fail, kl31415? Patience. :)

Feb 13, 2019
When the troll reading it doesn't understand the substance in context, but instead chooses to 'attack' typos/wordings which do make sense in context, then that troll is just trolling semantics and avoiding addressing the substance.

I must say, oh CORRECT ONE, so often your substance/aspects combined with your wordsworthiness/semanticus is proffered/pandered (in all its INCORRECTABILITY) regardless of the contextual horizon with which you hope to project, reveals itself as a HAPHAZARD display of truthiness. The rules and SEMANTICS set forth for the Engrish language are necessary to properly convey the ideas of your "reality-based" space/energy/gravity/matter/toes.
Oh, and a bit of humility goes a long way.

BTW, no mention of me being CORRECT too...
Intended, I thank you!

Feb 14, 2019
BeingOfCorrect
@kl31415.
Exactly as thick or thicker than ...RC,......
Since you joined only late last year, you can be forgiven for being ill informed about me; and hence being ignorant of what has been happening for years now, ie: I am independent objective sole researcher, not one of 'the crowds' on any 'side' here;

How can you be so naive, BeingOfCorrect
Have you forgotten klπ
You are always being of correct; that you have forgotten your roots
As BeingOfCorrect, you used to be known as RealityCheck for a reason, BeingOfCorrect
As BeingOfCorrect, on klπ, you are not BeingOfCorrect and consequently contradicting RealityCheck https://phys.org/...axy.html

Feb 14, 2019
When the troll reading it doesn't understand the substance in context, but instead chooses to 'attack' typos/wordings which do make sense in context, then that troll is just trolling semantics and avoiding addressing the substance.


Is self destruction the usual way you go about your life ?
No need to answer that... :)

English is your first language, yes ?

As everyone knows, people just love reading incoherent gibberish, sounds like your book will be an outstanding success around the globe !

It's cute that you keep pushing to make me a troll.

Have you heard of projection ?

Feb 14, 2019
Not sure why all the text looks like it's in quotes there...

Feb 14, 2019
You've got a q where you should have a /q.

Feb 14, 2019
You've got a q where you should have a /q.


I must be going blind haha, I tried editing the post three times, I was sure I didn't miss any runaway Q's...

Feb 14, 2019
Sir BeingOfCorrect Toe who lives under a bridge

When your sentence doesn't make any sense
it's got nothing to do with semantics
when the troll reading it doesn't understand the substance in context
instead chooses to attack typos or wordings which do make sense in context
then that troll is just trolling semantics
avoiding addressing the substance
How is that Toe getting on been almost 5 years since>

Going nicely thank you
the reality-based physical aspects are complete
the reality-based-axioms maths for modelling it is also nearly finished
the work covers all universal aspects
from space or energy to gravity or matter
from priori states to evolved states observed
not even the failed BB could do that
they don't actually identify
explain physical entities
mechanisms for producing the universe itself
from before bigbang
up to what or why gravity effects arise.
how long to formulate
Patience

Always BeingOfCorrect

Feb 14, 2019
Sir BeingOfCorrect

We feel sorry for the poor unsuspecting soul
who has unenviable task
of proof reading your Toe

Woe betide this poor unsuspecting fellow
if he has the gumption
to point out the flaws
the errors
the punctuation /?><=-""()[]{}^^&*($£"!)-
we can just imagine your textural inky scribing

Are you going to sit in Heffers
Heffers, in Trinity Street
Cambridge's most famous book shop
if any of your textual scribing
the punctuation /?><=-""()[]{}^^&*($£"!)-
their are plenty
of
Chineses students in Cambridge
who have sufficient grasp of Mandarin
to
decipher your text /?><=-""()[]{}^^&*($£"!)-

p.s. good luck with your book your Toe, BeingOfCorrect by BeingOfCorrect

Feb 14, 2019
@cantdrive85.
I must say, oh CORRECT ONE...
Having fun? Meanwhile I'm the one being increasingly confirmed correct all along, not the gangs of trolls on either 'side' here feuding as if being correct on the science is immaterial to your respective feuding/insulting trolling agendas.
Oh, and a bit of humility goes a long way.
Not with the gangs of trolls on all 'sides' here it doesn't, mate! They take it as a sign of weakness/incorrectness etc. But hitting them over the head with the fact I am the one being confirmed correct does wonders for THEIR "humility"...although some here STILL haven't learned 'humility' from their Bicep2 fiasco!
BTW, no mention of me being CORRECT too...
Intended, I thank you!
My point to DS was that BOTH GRAVITATIONALLY-contained fusion in sun core AND distributed fusion via 'transient' PLASMOID phenomena (at ALL levels/layers of sun) occurs in sun/stars. You can speak for yourself/your own points; I will speak for myself/mine, cd. :)

Feb 14, 2019
Meanwhile I'm the one being increasingly confirmed correct all along


Fake news.

Feb 14, 2019
@kl31415.
When the troll reading it doesn't understand the substance in context, but instead chooses to 'attack' typos/wordings which do make sense in context, then that troll is just trolling semantics....
Is self destruction the usual way you go about your life?.... :)
So, being correct all along is now "self-destructive" in the opinion of trolls?....No need to answer that, kl31415. :)
English is your first language, yes?
No, Italian is. I learned English here in OZ from the age of eight. Was 'trollish' your first 'language', mate?...again, no need to answer that, kl31415. :)
As everyone knows, people just love reading incoherent gibberish, sounds like your book will be an outstanding success around the globe!
Some like to read correct science once in a while (instead of BB fantasies etc), hence my reality-based postulates/axioms work.
It's cute that you keep pushing to make me a troll.
No need, mate; you did that yourself from your first troll. :)

Feb 14, 2019
@jonesdave.
Meanwhile I'm the one being increasingly confirmed correct all along


Fake news.
Trumpianesque (self-imposed-ignorance-and-denial-of-reality) Syndrome. Not good, jd.

Feb 14, 2019
BeingOfCorrect

You have a short memory, BeingOfCorrect
BeingOfCorrect was found wanting in the BeingOfCorrect departing
infact, BeingOfCorrect
it is so short
so short in fact
you are now believing
you were correct
all the time
as this why your new avatar describes your short memory succintly, BeingOfCorrect
as you are the jabberwocky
slayer of trolls
as you oft cry out in the night
Oh forum, who will rid BeingOfCorrect of these creatures of the night
but they never existed, they do not exist
they only exist in the nether reaches of BeingOfCorrect vacuous imagination
this book, this Toe is intrigueing, BeingOfCorrect
the cut and thrust of your arguments are fascinating, BeingOfCorrect
but, BeingOfCorrect
its how the public at large view this work of Toe
viewing your Toe within these hallowed walls
we are privy to secrets
the finished polished final publication
The public at large will never know, BeingOfCorrect

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