Australia swelters in record-breaking heatwave

December 28, 2018
Temperatures in Australia have peaked at 49.3 degrees this week amid a national heatwave

Australia's vast continent is sizzling through extreme heatwave conditions this week, with temperatures reaching record highs and emergency services on high alert for bushfires.

The mercury is up to 16 degree Celsius (29 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than usual for this time of the year for southern Australia, with numerous towns setting new December records, the Bureau of Meteorology said Friday.

"Heatwave conditions are being experienced across large parts of the country," the weather bureau said, adding that the sizzling temperatures spanned the southern parts of four states and the Northern Territory.

Tiny Marble Bar in Western Australia state, which bills itself as the nation's hottest town, recorded a peak of 49.3 degree Celsius (121 degrees Fahrenheit) on Thursday, it added.

Major cities across the country are also affected, with the thermometer pushing towards 40 degree Celsius and the heat set to linger into the new year.

In Sydney, thousands of people flocked to beaches to cool down, while the state's health service issued a warning for poor quality air as ozone levels rise with the hot weather.

"This is all because of a high-pressure system coming off the Tasman sea that is slow moving and has set up a pattern over several days," Bureau of Meteorology duty forecaster Nick Neynens told Fairfax Media.

Map showing heatwave forecast Dec 28-30.
"It's a very stable situation with not a lot changing, meaning everywhere is pretty much going to be hot and we don't see a strong change coming yet."

Emergency services have issued fire bans and warnings and called on people to stay out of the extreme heat.

Thousands have flocked to the beach to cool down as temperatures touch 40 degrees Celsius

A southerly wind change will start to bring cooler wind conditions in southern Australia that gradually extend inland into South Australia and Victoria state before weakening, the weather bureau's meteorologist Sarah Fitton said Friday.

High temperatures are not unusual in Australia during its arid southern hemisphere summer, with bushfires a common occurrence.

But climate change has pushed up land and sea temperatures and led to more extremely hot days and severe fire seasons.

High temperatures are not unusual in Australia during summer, but climate change has pushed up land and sea temperatures

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Shootist
1.6 / 5 (13) Dec 28, 2018
Goats and cattle, barley and wheat, raised on Greenland as the Vikings did for 100-400 years?

No? Still too cold.
JRi
4.8 / 5 (18) Dec 28, 2018
Goats and cattle, barley and wheat, raised on Greenland as the Vikings did for 100-400 years?
No? Still too cold.


Australia is pretty far away from Greenland.
antialias_physorg
4.3 / 5 (18) Dec 28, 2018
Goats and cattle, barley and wheat, raised on Greenland as the Vikings did for 100-400 years?

You do know that Greenland is about half the size of the US (and quite a lot of it is mountainous), don't you?
I get the strong impression you have no clue how to read a map (apart from being woefully uneducated about how nutrient poor soil is that has beeen under ice for a hundred thousand years or so)

But..some people just have this unstopable urge to keep repeating stuff that makes them look like total fools. Eh, Shootist?
cantdrive85
2.2 / 5 (13) Dec 28, 2018
Oh no, it's getting hot in the summer. Should be a relief from the unseasonably cold and repeated hail storms of just a couple weeks ago. I know, I know, whether it is too hot or too cold it is all due to AGW.
The sky is falling, the sky is rising, them Chicken Littles got it covered...
antigoracle
1.7 / 5 (11) Dec 28, 2018
Oh nose!! It's so hot, all those poor people have to go and suffer at the beach. While the stupid Chicken Littles, hide in their cesspool of ignorance.

LMAO.
Shakescene21
4.5 / 5 (16) Dec 28, 2018
No, Cantdrive. It is not merely hot, it is record-breaking hot. The heatwave is breaking records that were set just a couple years ago. Progressively hotter heatwaves are an expected sign of AGW.
rrwillsj
4.3 / 5 (12) Dec 28, 2018
The denialistbots are programmed to repetitiously chant "This is the best of all possible worlds!"

Which is quite a feat for them... Considering how deeply they gave their heads firmly planted up their own anuses!
V4Vendicar
2.7 / 5 (12) Dec 28, 2018
This filthy Liberal planet needs to figure out that there is no such thing as Global Warming.

Mother Nature is just another communist scam artist looking for ways to steal my money.
V4Vendicar
3.9 / 5 (14) Dec 28, 2018
"Oh no, it's getting hot in the summer." - CantdriveTooOld

Ya, summer normally has record breaking temperatures that are 29'F above normal.

V4Vendicar
4.3 / 5 (11) Dec 28, 2018
"Goats and cattle, barley and wheat, raised on Greenland as the Vikings did for 100-400 years? " - Stoopidist

Where do you intend to get the soil?

Glaciers have removed almost all of the soil from the interior of Greenland and the northern regions of Canada and Russia.

Have you been mentally ill all of your life?
cantdrive85
1.9 / 5 (13) Dec 28, 2018
Progressively hotter heatwaves are an expected sign of AGW.

Hotter heatwaves, colder cold waves, more hurricanes, less cyclones, more droughts, more flooding, more this, less that, is all due to AGW. It is the magic wand of the Chicken Littles.
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (11) Dec 28, 2018
"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy…Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization…One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore." – Ottmar Edenhoffer, high level UN-IPCC official

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." – Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." – Richard Benedik, former U.S./UN bureaucrat
antigoracle
1.9 / 5 (9) Dec 28, 2018
The denialistbots are programmed to repetitiously chant "This is the best of all possible worlds!"

Which is quite a feat for them... Considering how deeply they gave their heads firmly planted up their own anuses!

The Chicken Little jackass loves the sound of their repetitious braying at the heretics. Which is quite a feat for them..that's how they will save the world. Considering how deeply in their cesspool of ignorance they exist.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
"Goats and cattle, barley and wheat, raised on Greenland as the Vikings did for 100-400 years? " - Stoopidist

Where do you intend to get the soil?

Glaciers have removed almost all of the soil from the interior of Greenland and the northern regions of Canada and Russia.

Have you been mentally ill all of your life?
says V4Vendicar

Here is some information for you to chew on:

http://sciencenor...reenland
Da Schneib
3.6 / 5 (14) Dec 29, 2018
Y'know, I'd take the Australians' reports on Australia over anything anyone in the US can say.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.9 / 5 (9) Dec 29, 2018
"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy…Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization…One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore." – Ottmar Edenhoffer, high level UN-IPCC official

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." – Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." – Richard Benedik, former U.S./UN bureaucrat


In other words - Global Communism for all - except for the Elite Ruling Class.
This gives new meaning to "FIGHT THE POWER".
Da Schneib
3.9 / 5 (11) Dec 29, 2018
Like the YEC troll for example.
V4Vendicar
4.3 / 5 (11) Dec 29, 2018
"Here is some information for you to chew on:"- Stoopidist

The southern most tip of greenland has trivially small layers of topsoil upon which trivially tiny plots, smaller than 200 feet to a side, were built and where small amounts of grain was planted.

Where do you intend to get the soil for the rest of the continent?

Glaciers have removed almost all of the soil from the interior of Greenland and the northern regions of Canada and Russia.

Have you been mentally ill all of your life?
V4Vendicar
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
"The Chicken Little jackass loves the sound of their repetitious braying" - antigoracle

Meanwhile 2018 is coming in as the 4th warmest year in recorded human history.

Nature isn't following the demented fantasy universe created by Global Warming Denialist Kooks.
V4Vendicar
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
CantDrive is making progress. Only half of his following sentence is a lie.

"Hotter heatwaves, colder cold waves, more hurricanes, less cyclones, more droughts, more flooding, more this, less that, is all due to AGW. It is the magic wand of the Chicken Littles." - CantDriveTooStupid
howhot3
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018

The Chicken Little jackass loves the sound of their repetitious braying at the heretics. Which is quite a feat for them..that's how they will save the world. Considering how deeply in their cesspool of ignorance they exist.

@antialgore wins the BOZO of the week award. Yeap, climate denier, Check. Rightwing flakeazoid, Check. AAGW (Anti Anthropogenic Global Warming) Check. Science denier goon, Check. Oh wait, we have a tie with @shootshit for saying
Goats and cattle, barley and wheat, raised on Greenland as the Vikings did for 100-400 years?

No? Still too cold.
.
No wait, te have a THREEWAY tie for BOZO of the week. @cantthink85 says;

Progressively hotter heatwaves are an expected sign of AGW.

It is the magic wand of the Chicken Littles.
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
rrwillsj
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
I don't know why anybody is arguing with the denierbots?
Those are just programming. Mindlessly repeating the installed coding.

The Turing Test to determine if you are trapped by one of those denierbot programs?

Ask the question "Do they claim that scientists are falsifying the data & their conclusions?"

Then confirm that the denier coding is running with the following statement "Since the science is bogus. When you are in need of medical assistance. As the education of the doctors you will go to are based on that bogus science. Thus all the degree'd experts are tainted,"

Ask "Instead of seeing an MD? You will have your favorite fascist politician do open-heart surgery on you?
You would rely on the kindness of your buddy, the altright fairytail? To perform brain surgery upon you?

The programs running will not hesitate to allowing the trumpster doing a colonoscopy on them.

All the rest, who are effusive in their refusals? Are cowardly hypocrites.
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
Hey wills, lets all see your summary of AGW theory , in your own words , no links , pastes . Just curious ,,
zz5555
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dataGraph&p_stn_num=094029&p_nccObsCode=40&p_month=13

Sometimes I think I should take snoosebaum off ignore. Whenever I check his comments, I see insane things like this: a meaningless climate statistic from one point in Tasmania, far from the article's area of interest. He's unintentionally funny in the way that creationists like FredJose are, without the obviously serious mental health issues of SEU.
zz5555
4.3 / 5 (11) Dec 29, 2018
By the way, for those interested in heat wave information in Australia, the Australian BOM has released a climate report with that information: http://www.bom.go...2018.pdf . Page 4 has a nice little graph illustrating the issue nicely.
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
So we have record heat occurring in Australia. In and of itself - it is just one year - and of course could just be 'natural' (meaning not caused by human activity). Of course in a wider context - we start to see a possible pattern - https://en.wikipe...2009.svg
And in a global context - even more compelling. https://climate.n...erature/ (look at the graph!)

So what have Snoose/surveillance egg and Shootist got? An article about some small pieces of charred corn - found in a rubbish dump in Greenland!!!!

You guys are too stupid...
snoosebaum
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
ok sydney ;

http://www.bom.go...month=12

todays weather sydney
https://www.accuw...st/22889

wow , the end is near ,,,
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 29, 2018
@snooze
Hey wills, lets all see your summary of AGW theory , in your own words
so, you're a proven liar and fraud promoting pseudoscience, but we're the ones that have to answer to you?

when we ask you for a specific study, you link to wattsupBULLSH*t and say it's a legit answer, even though it's not in your own words, nor is it science

if we were to link a rebuttal to skepticalscience, you would throw a hissy-fit

when we present factual data, you ignore it, like here
https://phys.org/...ing.html

or here
https://phys.org/...ope.html

or you move the goalposts, change the argument, or redirect
https://phys.org/...ury.html

so why should anyone entertain your trolling BS here, especially when you have *proven* you won't read the facts and that your argument will simply be to lie, redirect, move goalposts, etc?
snoosebaum
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
Hey Cap'n Stumped ! how ya doin? , hows that AGW in your own words abstract coming along ?

easy question , i know you have read all those studies u link
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
Snoose
todays weather sydney


Well I guess we need to start by explaining the difference between climate and weather. No - why bother - you guys don't care about science, or facts. Cherry picking is your MO. So not only can you find an obscure article about some corn found in a 1000 year old rubbish dump - but you can cherry pick one day's data from one city - and actually believe you have proved something.

http://www.bom.go...us/2015/
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
@snoosebaum
Thank you for enlightening those of us who are interested in the FUTURE of our freedom-loving peoples who hate Communism and that particular lead-up to the slavery of Communism - Socialism.
Those 3 paragraphs that you submitted here hadn't been known about by everyone, probably due to the secrecy of those who wish to implement it to place MOST humans in "chains". We have all been there before in one way or another.
This is why the Democrats in the US don't want the Wall to be built. They don't want to SECURE THE BORDERS, not only for the need to get more people to vote Democrat at election time - but also to follow in the footsteps of their masters - the ELITE RULING CLASS.

Many American citizens still are wearing their blinders and cannot SEE the Truth of what is really happening. Perhaps even some politicians are still blind to that Truth. But they will finally wake up.
snoosebaum
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
Hey oonions, good point re climate /weather lets tell the guys who posted this :

https://phys.org/...ave.html
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
snoose
lets tell the guys who posted this
They already know snoose - which is why they were very careful with their language - and made it clear that the current heat wave is being caused by
a high-pressure system coming off the Tasman sea ...
They also show that they understand the broader context of climate - by saying this
climate change has pushed up land and sea temperatures and led to more extremely hot days and severe fire seasons
I suspect that you cannot discern the nuance in the language they use - as you are just busy pushing a political agenda - and really don't care about the science being explained to you.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
So we have record heat occurring in Australia. In and of itself - it is just one year - and of course could just be 'natural' (meaning not caused by human activity). Of course in a wider context - we start to see a possible pattern - https://en.wikipe...2009.svg (look at the graph!)

So what have Snoose/surveillance egg and Shootist got? An article about some small pieces of charred corn - found in a rubbish dump in Greenland!!!!

You guys are too stupid...
says greenio

The Earth just happens to be right smack in the middle/between ice ages and mini-ice ages. This heat ANYWHERE that it occurs only goes to show that the Earth is A LIVING DYNAMO of changeable weather patterns from one extreme to the other and everything in between.
-contd-
greenonions1
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 29, 2018
Many American citizens still are wearing their blinders and cannot SEE the Truth of what is really happening
Are you talking about the TRUTH - where Herr Trump gave the troops a 10% pay raise - cuz they have not gotten a pay raise in more than 10 years?
Fact check shows us that the recent pay raise was for 2.6%, and the troops have been getting a pay raise every year. https://www.nbcne...-n952336

So really guys - if you are too stupid to even know how to hold someone accountable for such a blatant lie - why are you wanting to brag about your ability to know facts from lies?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
-contd-
It is also about shifting landmasses, subduction and earthquakes and tsunami that most of you never get to experience - while others do. Will you also condemn the EARTH ITSELF for its transgressions against YOUR Anthropocentric little girlie feelings of what is right and wrong?
Weather, whether heat or cold IS the Earth doing as it wants to do.
None of you are willing to travel to Africa or Asia or anywhere else to rail at those citizens and DEMAND that they stop eating, breathing and shitting so that YOUR IDEA of a pristine world will no longer be upsetting to YOUR values and the values of the NEW WORLD ORDER ELITE RULING CLASS.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
Many American citizens still are wearing their blinders and cannot SEE the Truth of what is really happening
Are you talking about the TRUTH - where Herr Trump gave the troops a 10% pay raise - cuz they have not gotten a pay raise in more than 10 years?
Fact check shows us that the recent pay raise was for 2.6%, and the troops have been getting a pay raise every year. https://www.nbcne...-n952336

So really guys - if you are too stupid to even know how to hold someone accountable for such a blatant lie - why are you wanting to brag about your ability to know facts from lies?

says greenio

President Trump has only been in Office for less than 2 years. I believe that it is the US Congress that allocates the moneys that are geared toward the military - pay raises and all. Barak Obama had nothing to do with pay raises either - Congress is the one.
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
green ; yes i see that, they were carefull to link weather and climate and to post an alarming and fake headline to fuel the moral panic
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
President Trump is not, nor ever has been, a lying politician. He is still a businessman who loves America and her LEGAL CITIZENRY. He is also a showman who was involved in many great, successful TV shows. People who are involved in show business sometimes tend to exaggerate just a tad - but he is innocent of any crimes.
AGW is exaggerated quite often, even with this heat wave that is occurring in Australia - which just happens to be in the souther hemisphere where it is SUMMERTIME.
Heat and drought occurs in summer. That is what the Earth does and the Earth has been changing the weather patterns for the past 4.6 billion years since it had built up enough Mass through accretion billions of years ago.
Do you REALLY expect Earth to make you humans nice and comfy and happy? Get real for once.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
Snoose
todays weather sydney


Well I guess we need to start by explaining the difference between climate and weather. No - why bother - you guys don't care about science, or facts. Cherry picking is your MO. So not only can you find an obscure article about some corn found in a 1000 year old rubbish dump - but you can cherry pick one day's data from one city - and actually believe you have proved something.

http://www.bom.go...us/2015/
says greenio

CLIMATE is a usual and most often EXPECTED temperature RANGE in any given REGION OF THE EARTH - such as the climate in the islands of Bahamas and Cuba is EXPECTED to be warm to hot but with cooling breezes. Australia is a large continent in the southern hemisphere, so that it is necessary to go by LOCATION and not its overall climate by region. Most AGW worshippers can't seem to comprehend this "rule of thumb" and instead go by Regional Climate rather than by location.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 29, 2018
@snooze-troll
how ya doin?
Nunya
hows that AGW in your own words abstract coming along ?
I have plenty

how is that trolling idiotic pseudoscience watts idiocy you keep spouting coming along?

I find it rather hilarious that you want everyone else to give their versions in their own words while you regurgitate anti-science rhetoric though

kinda hypocritical of you, eh?

Maybe you can ignore the studies on greenhouse gasses some more?
Oh wait, this is the thread where you're just asking for AGW theories...

sorry, all your comments tend to look alike
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
It could be hot in Sydney, but cold in the more southern parts of Oz, or anywhere else. I understand that Australia has no known active volcanos, although there are some since Australia either straddles the Ring of Fire or lies close to it. That doesn't mean that any one of the volcanos under Oz could not come alive at some point in the future.
Earth sends messages to humans and animals every so often to warn that she is shrugging a bit to settle in a bit more comfortably. If humans don't like it, well that's just too bad.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
@eggy
CLIMATE is a usual and most often EXPECTED temperature RANGE in any given REGION OF THE EARTH
nope
Climate can be predicted in an expected range, but "climate" itself is defined as (paraphrased): the description of the long-term pattern of weather in a particular area

so we're talking observed weather measurements over a period of time, not expected temperature, and includes temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological variables in a given region
reference: World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
and
Shepherd, Dr. J. Marshall; Shindell, Drew; O'Carroll, Cynthia M. (1 February 2005). "What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?". NASA

greenonions1
4.6 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
Snoose
yes i see that, they were carefull to link weather and climate and to post an alarming and fake headline to fuel the moral panic
Weather and climate are linked. Shame you were not aware of that. The headline was accurate
The mercury is up to 16 degree Celsius (29 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than usual for this time of the year - and - with temperatures reaching record highs
Now you see - this is talking about weather. But as I said - weather and climate are related - and as long term temperatures (that's climate) increase - you tend to see patterns forming in the weather - such as record breaking highs. Already showed you that - right?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
"Here is some information for you to chew on:"- Stoopidist

The southern most tip of greenland has trivially small layers of topsoil upon which trivially tiny plots, smaller than 200 feet to a side, were built and where small amounts of grain was planted.

Where do you intend to get the soil for the rest of the continent?

Glaciers have removed almost all of the soil from the interior of Greenland and the northern regions of Canada and Russia.

Have you been mentally ill all of your life?
says V4Vandalism

No duh - really? Glaciers can do all that? What power! Who knew??
The point is that the Vikings traveled from Iceland to Greenland to build farms and grow crops and cattle - and they did that - up until the climate became too cold to farm and raise crops any longer. So they were forced to move on. But the proof that they HAD BEEN in Greenland is in the bottom of that rubbish burial heap - which cannot be denied. So what's you point? That soil is moved by glaciers?
greenonions1
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 29, 2018
egg
Earth sends messages to humans and animals every so often
What does that even mean? Are you promoting Gaia hypothesis? The earth is a living being? Our climate/weather is affected by many factors. Do you know what Milankovitch cycles are? This has nothing to do with some message being sent through the ether, it is about the physics of our climate - which is relatively complex.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
Snoose
yes i see that, they were carefull to link weather and climate and to post an alarming and fake headline to fuel the moral panic
Weather and climate are linked. Shame you were not aware of that. The headline was accurate
The mercury is up to 16 degree Celsius (29 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than usual for this time of the year - and - with temperatures reaching record highs
Now you see - this is talking about weather. But as I said - weather and climate are related - and as long term temperatures (that's climate) increase - you tend to see patterns forming in the weather - such as record breaking highs. Already showed you that - right?
says greenio

LOL Weather and climate are 2 different things - although both are part of Earth's atmospheric dynamics.
I have already mentioned that weather is according to LOCATION, and CLIMATE is the EXPECTED TEMP RANGE OF A REGION. CUBA IS HOT - GREENLAND IS NOT.
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
egg
But the proof that they HAD BEEN in Greenland is in the bottom of that rubbish burial heap - which cannot be denied
No one is denying that there was corn in the bottom of the rubbish heap. The point is that in order to UNDERSTAND that fact - in the context of the Earth's climate system - one needs to do some science. Scientists have done a lot of work on the MWP. Please reference scientific research - that puts facts like some corn in a rubbish tip - in context. Is it possible they brought the corn on ships? Is it possible the MWP was a regional event? Do you think scientists don't know that the Earth has been warmer in previous periods. Ever heard of the Jurassic? Do you think scientists are not aware of the Milankovitch cycles, and all the other drivers of our climate?
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
Egg - you fail - even on trying to talk about the difference between climate and weather.

https://www.nasa....her.html
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
egg
Earth sends messages to humans and animals every so often
What does that even mean? Are you promoting Gaia hypothesis? The earth is a living being? Our climate/weather is affected by many factors. Do you know what Milankovitch cycles are? This has nothing to do with some message being sent through the ether, it is about the physics of our climate - which is relatively complex.
says greenio

The Earth is NOT a LIVING being. But Earth is movement and that movement has a very wide range that includes ATMOSPHERIC MOVEMENT that is subject to its own dynamics as well as with the dynamics of the Earth under it.
Climate AND weather both follow the rules of the dynamics of the Earth - through her movements such as when she shrugs and causes quakes, and landmasses subducting to recycle itself.
The "messages" are heard by animals that flee when they FEEL the first tremors. But humans are not often sensitive enough to those messages, and often feel regret later
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
@eggy on da face TROLL
although both are part of Earth's atmospheric dynamics
so?
I have already mentioned that ... CLIMATE is the EXPECTED TEMP RANGE OF A REGION
and again: no, it isn't

"expectation" has nothing to do with it unless you can show a reference that specifically designates expectation as part of the definition of climate

I would call out the WMO definition above, but you're ignoring facts anyway with your delusional claims about earth sending messages... you do realise that Earthlink is just an ISP, right? it's not the earth sending you messages - it's a server administrator or a company
Sheesh
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
@greenio
Gaia is just a name that was made up by men to start a "religion" of sorts to instill a respect for the Earth. I am surprised that YOU are not a devotee of the religion of Gaia.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
egg
But the proof that they HAD BEEN in Greenland is in the bottom of that rubbish burial heap - which cannot be denied
No one is denying that there was corn in the bottom of the rubbish heap. The point is that in order to UNDERSTAND that fact - in the context of the Earth's climate system - one needs to do some science. Scientists have done a lot of work on the MWP. Please reference scientific research - that puts facts like some corn in a rubbish tip - in context. Is it possible they brought the corn on ships? Is it possible the MWP was a regional event? Do you think scientists don't know that the Earth has been warmer in previous periods. Ever heard of the Jurassic? Do you think scientists are not aware of the Milankovitch cycles, and all the other drivers of our climate?
says greenio

No. The corn was not subsequently brought on ships from elsewhere. It would have been rotted and eaten by worms before it arrived in Greenland.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
@greenio
The corn was GROWN IN GREENLAND. At least until the climate of Greenland changed to become too cold to grow much of anything.
Scientists are aware of many things - but they have now become driven to accommodate the ramblings of those few AGW scientists who are grossly dependent on politicians for funding, and now on the ELITE RULING CLASS who also champion the Communists agenda for power and control over populaces of the Earth and to limit freedoms and progress and the improvement of human lives.
Do you favour Communism and the loss of freedom, greenio?
rrwillsj
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
looks like benni is going to have to give up his Supreme Dunce hat to seu.
Perhaps we should not provoke seu's childish tantrums?
seu's fulminations are an AGW event all their own!
snoosebaum
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
''I have plenty [ apparently not , ]

how is that trolling idiotic pseudoscience watts idiocy you keep spouting coming along?''

quite well , but it would burn your eyes and ears so i will spare you today.
Its amazing really, something you feel so passionate about yet cannot explain to interested persons

@ greensleeves '' weather and climate are related ''

no shit ? 'cept when its cold then its just weather
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
looks like benni is going to have to give up his Supreme Dunce hat to seu.
Perhaps we should not provoke seu's childish tantrums?
seu's fulminations are an AGW event all their own!
says rrwilliejoe

ROFLOL Oh foolish one. Is that really all you could come up with? Now go to the front of the "classroom" and write 500 times -
"I, rrwilliejoe, am suffering from Cognitive Dissonance, partly brought on by my misconception of what reality is".

500 times, williejoe.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018

But not to worry, rrwilliejoe. YOU are NOT alone in physorg. The "dragon" is here to protect you and your AGW siblings who suffer along with you - that "Cognitive Dissonance" that has affected so many within the past several decades. Learn to relax, williejoe, and to use commas rather than question marks where appropriate.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
@snooze trolling
Its amazing really, something you feel so passionate about yet cannot explain to interested persons
repeating your lies doesn't make it truer

I never said I couldn't explain
I said I wouldn't explain, with caveat's

of course, considering you also feel so passionate about your pseudoscience yet cannot explain to interested persons without spreading your links, I find your comment both hypocritical and hilariously ironic

.

.

@eggyTROLL
No. The corn was not subsequently brought on ships from elsewhere. It would have been rotted and eaten by worms before it arrived in Greenland
so how did it get there?
did the aliens beam it there?
or is this one of your deities practical jokes?

maybe your gaia-earthlink messaged it there?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
@greenio
The corn was GROWN IN GREENLAND. At least until the climate of Greenland changed to become too cold to grow much of anything.
Scientists are aware of many things - but they have now become driven to accommodate the ramblings of those few AGW scientists who are grossly dependent on politicians for funding, and now on the ELITE RULING CLASS who also champion the Communists agenda for power and control over populaces of the Earth and to limit freedoms and progress and the improvement of human lives.
Do you favour Communism and the loss of freedom, greenio?
says I

@greenunyans
Mission Control calling greenio. Are you there?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
@snoosebaum
Have you noticed that I don't bother to respond to the fatuous wordy ramblings of Captain Beelzebub? That fiend who demands validated evidence but never gives any that wasn't derived from a Search engine?
Why waste your time and energy responding to a nonscientist such as the fatuous wordy flimflam bunco artist?
You may have noticed that Captain Stupid copies and pastes corrupted parts of comments to be able to inflict the accusations of "liar", "illiterate", and a host of other vilifying name-calling.
Captain Beelzebub has refined its pretensions to that of an "artiste" so as to collect the Souls of as many agreeable admirers to its damned bosom.
The dragon thrashes and bites.
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
Mission Control calling greenio. Are you there?
Absolutely. Noticing that you fail to recognize a significant issue. You presume to debate on the issue of climate science - and yet you have just been exposed - as not even understanding the difference between weather and climate. snoose falls into the same trap. Recently snoose was arguing that AGW is false - cuz it was cold in Texas.

You both fail - but will of course continue to look stupid.
Do you favour Communism...
Not at all - but I also understand that my political philosophy - has no bearing on science. It seems very telling to watch as folks like you attack science - while clearly showing you don't understand even the most basic issues - but never fail to turn it to politics, and conspiracy rubbish.

Despite what Giuliani wants us to believe - a lie is a lie - and there is such a thing as truth.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
egg
But the proof that they HAD BEEN in Greenland is in the bottom of that rubbish burial heap - which cannot be denied
No one is denying that there was corn in the bottom of the rubbish heap. The point is that in order to UNDERSTAND that fact - in the context of the Earth's climate system - one needs to do some science. Scientists have done a lot of work on the MWP. Please reference scientific research - that puts facts like some corn in a rubbish tip - in context. Is it possible they brought the corn on ships? Is it possible the MWP was a regional event? Do you think scientists don't know that the Earth has been warmer in previous periods. Ever heard of the Jurassic?
says greenio eggs and ham ;)

Yes, the Jurassic was a time when the dinosaurs were driving around in buses, cars, trucks and airplanes - while the pterosaurs were delivering packages by air. ROFLOL
Dinosaurs were allegedly cold blooded creatures, so they needed a warm-hot climate.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.9 / 5 (9) Dec 29, 2018
Mission Control calling greenio. Are you there?
Absolutely. Noticing that you fail to recognize a significant issue. You presume to debate on the issue of climate science - and yet you have just been exposed - as not even understanding the difference between weather and climate. snoose falls into the same trap. Recently snoose was arguing that AGW is false - cuz it was cold in Texas.

You both fail - but will of course continue to look stupid.
Do you favour Communism...
Not at all - but I also understand that my political philosophy - has no bearing on science. It seems very telling to watch as folks like you attack science - while clearly showing you don't understand even the most basic issues - but never fail to turn it to politics, and conspiracy rubbish.

Despite what Giuliani wants us to believe - a lie is a lie - and there is such a thing as truth.

says greenio

AGW is inseparable from taxpayer funding via politics.
-contd-

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
-contd-
@greenio

Of course you are in favour of Communism, since Communism is the ONLY way to control the masses, those various peoples of Earth to eliminate the dastardly usage of fossil fuels, oil drilling, coal mining, and gas fields that greatly offend those climatologists and their political stewards who provide the funding for AGW research, as well as the salaries to support such climate "experts" - otherwise they might have to find work in other research venues such as (gasp) Astrophysics - which everyone KNOWS takes a whole lot more of brain power than AGW researchers and their hockey sticks.
We are NOT attacking science, you foolish person - we attack the NONSCIENCE of those "experts" who pretend that the end of the world (as we know it) is coming - due to the human need to stay warm in cold weather and to drive a car to work, and all of those comforts with which humans are most often familiar with - and which the haters of humanity wish to relieve them of those comforts
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
''repeating your lies doesn't make it truer''

since when were observations lies ?
''
ie .
I never said I couldn't explain
I said I wouldn't explain, with caveat's''

coulda woulda shouda , same result

you can't handle simple questions even [ u need your links ] ,
i post links too although i could do with out them . An actual discussion would not involve them u would have to think for yourself
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (10) Dec 29, 2018
Of course you are in favour of Communism
so you really show your lack of understanding of reason and discourse. Nothing I have said would lead any reasonable person to conclude that I am in favor of communism. You look so stupid making such unsupportable assertions.
and which the haters of humanity wish to relieve them of those comforts
Again - you make yourself look so stupid with child like assertions. There is a lot about humanity that I hate. Look up Pol Pot! But there is a lot that I love. I love technology - and am a great proponent of the emerging technologies - that will allow us to have the quality of life that we have shown we are capable of. Meaning - food, water, shelter, health care, meaningful work transportation, etc. without the negatives of pollution, and climate destruction. I hope we can extend such a high quality of life as I have - to all our fellow earthlings.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
snoose
lets tell the guys who posted this
They already know snoose - which is why they were very careful with their language - and made it clear that the current heat wave is being caused by
a high-pressure system coming off the Tasman sea ...
They also show that they understand the broader context of climate - by saying this
climate change has pushed up land and sea temperatures and led to more extremely hot days and severe fire seasons
I suspect that you cannot discern the nuance in the language they use - as you are just busy pushing a political agenda - and really don't care about the science being explained to you.

says greenio

Hmmm and hmm - a high-pressure system coming off the Tasman Sea. And where is the Tasman Sea? Why, it seems to be a body of water that is right off the East coast of Oz and is that which divides NZ from Oz.
-contd-
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
I don't think any of the idiots even know what communism is, and failed to note that it didn't work out well for anyone who tried it.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
According to Wiki:

The depth of the sea is 5,493 metres (18,022 feet).[5] The base of the sea is made up of globigerina ooze. A small zone of pteropod ooze is found to the south of New Caledonia and to the southern extent of 30°S, siliceous ooze can be found.[6]

Well, that explains it. The high-pressure system is being caused by the OOZE, particularly from pteropod ooze. As the ooze decays by the action of bacteria and fungi - it emits heat to the surface of the Tasman Sea, and that heat blows toward Sydney and the southeast coast of Oz, causing an effect of high temps, while also causing barely clad ladies and gents to uncover themselves at the beaches to brown nicely in the hot sun's rays.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
Of course you are in favour of Communism
so you really show your lack of understanding of reason and discourse. Nothing I have said would lead any reasonable person to conclude that I am in favor of communism. You look so stupid making such unsupportable assertions.
and which the haters of humanity wish to relieve them of those comforts
Again - you make yourself look so stupid with child like assertions. There is a lot about humanity that I hate. Look up Pol Pot! But there is a lot that I love... Meaning - food, water, shelter, health care, meaningful work transportation, etc. without the negatives of pollution, and climate destruction. I hope we can extend such a high quality of life as I have - to all our fellow earthlings.
says greenio

All well and good - for YOU. However, are YOU willing to put your love to the test to ensure that Communists in the US Democrat Party don't come into power, using AGW as one of the reasons to takeover?
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
Like I said, these individuals have no idea what communism is.

There aren't any communists in the US. Russia went down, and China is now arresting communists. It's dead.

Maybe you forgot.

My preferred system of government and economics is regulated capitalist social democracy, admittedly a very difficult balance to maintain. Seems to be working OK quite a few places, though. Certainly a hell of a lot better than either communism or unrestrained capitalism
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
Like I said, these individuals have no idea what communism is.

There aren't any communists in the US. Russia went down, and China is now arresting communists. It's dead.

Maybe you forgot.
says Da Scheide (aka Da Pussy)

ROFLOL
snoosebaum
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
''There aren't any communists in the US '' lol

https://farleftwa...fficers/
Da Schneib
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
You got the balls for a discussion of economics and government? Maybe, but I bet you ain't got the chops.
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
Oops, antifa are not communists. They're anarchists, who to my mind are naive adolescents who think they're socialists (with very little justification). I spent a year or two dealing with these people on a site far from here a long time ago, and they never stopped being adolescent. One of the solutions for violent adolescents is to start a war and conscript them into the army.

Like I said, I bet you ain't got the chops.

And your psychotic buttbuddy seems to be limited to more psychotic breaks. Sorry, ROFL isn't a valid response in a political discussion. At least, @snooze, you had some sort of evidence (however sorry it was) to offer.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
''There aren't any communists in the US '' lol

https://farleftwa...fficers/

says snooiebaum

Whoa - Red Guards Kansas City - masked and ready for Freddy - ROFLOL
Hmmm and hmm - perhaps Da Scheide knows all their hand signals since they are hiding their faces.
What was that that DaPussy said? There are no communists in the US? well well well
Da Schneib
3.9 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
Re adolescents, Heinlein favored heading them up in a barrel and feeding them through the bunghole until they turned into human beings. That seems a bit harsh; perhaps just FEMA camps (and yes, I'm baiting you).
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
http://www.cpusa.org

What was pussyman saying again? Something about there being no COMMUNISTS IN THE US??
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
Show practicing communists in the Democratic Party, which was your claim, and not one or two, but a bunch of them, or cease your psychotic fantasies about telepathic aliens and rape machines in the bushes.

It's just another psychotic conspiracy theory. Get help. Get medicine. Take it. Go away.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
And, wouldn't you know it - according to THIS article from CommunistPartyUSA:

http://www.cpusa....-change/

The Communist Party is in complete agreement with AGW.
Oh my.
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
Avoidance using deflection by the psychotic troll who thinks telepathic alien lizards are running the government and there are robot rape machines in the bushes.

Show a communist member of congress. Senate or House. Let us know about that. You claim it you prove it or you lied.

Get help. Take the medicine. Go away.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
Lizards? What lizards, pussyman? Where do you see alien lizards? I don't see any alien lizards. I don't think that anyone here in physorg sees alien lizards either.
Perhaps you have been getting the D-Ts from getting drunk too often. Better get help for that. Dry out, Da Scheide before your brain fog kills you.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
Like I said, these individuals have no idea what communism is.

There aren't any communists in the US. Russia went down, and China is now arresting communists. It's dead.

My preferred system of government and economics is regulated capitalist social democracy,

says Da Scheide

Well, according to THIS -

https://www.brook...ongress/

Communism is very much alive and well in China.

Stop your excessive boozing and dry out, pussyman.
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
Meanwhile, on Earth: https://www.busin...-2018-11

And you were the one who brought up the telepathic alien lizards. Already linked and documented. Now stop lying about what you said.

Get help. Take the medicine. Go away.
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Dec 29, 2018
egg - this was your assertion - aimed at me
Of course you are in favour of Communism
But I am not in favor of communism. Nothing I have said would indicate that I am in favor of communism. Physorg is a science site. I read physorg cuz I like science. I like to see what is happening on the frontiers of science and technology. You want to know what I am in favour of? Education, truth, knowledge, science. I see the potential the human race has for evil (Pol Pot), and for greatness (supercolliders.) It seems you don't care about truth. One example is your accusation towards me - with no basis. Another example would be arguing against the very solid science of climate change - even though you don't even know the difference between weather and climate. Being informed is not your strong point - right?
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
https://www.youtu...E1k98frQ ,,,,no commies here

but when trump is gone they will silence the usefull idiots
Da Schneib
Dec 29, 2018
This comment has been removed by a moderator.
howhot3
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 29, 2018
Ok. @Sausage_in_egg takes the cake for active propagandist fox news goon head. Must be Russian sympathizer and ergo, a trump gag toady type. He'll say anything to destroy the liberal democracy of the USA.
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 29, 2018
Oh, watch out! You said "liberal!" These idiots have no idea what these complicated political terms mean. They're the stupidocracy.

I still say there should be an IQ test you have to pass to vote.
V4Vendicar
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 30, 2018
Liar... Liar.. Pants on fire...

"The Earth just happens to be right smack in the middle/between ice ages and mini-ice ages."

The Earth is at the tail end of the current interglacial period, and has been cooling for the last 10,000 years or so. Until now.

So why do you feel a need to lie about it?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 30, 2018
Liar... Liar.. Pants on fire...

"The Earth just happens to be right smack in the middle/between ice ages and mini-ice ages."

The Earth is at the tail end of the current interglacial period, and has been cooling for the last 10,000 years or so. Until now.

So why do you feel a need to lie about it?
says V4Vindictiveness

How exactly do you KNOW for a fact where we are wrt the interglacial period? Did you get that from the Hockey Stick guy? The Vikings were in Greenland about 1000 +/- ya until it became too cold. And 1000 yrs later suddenly you say that we are out of the IGP because your AGW climatologists say so? If Summer 2019 is cold in the Northeast of the US, will you say that it's AGW?
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
Because of the Milankovic cycles. Maybe you've heard of them.

Dumb da dumb dumb. Dumb da dumb dumb duhhhh.....
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
Meanwhile, on Earth: https://www.busin...-2018-11

And you were the one who brought up the telepathic alien lizards. Already linked and documented. Now stop lying about what you said.

Get help. Take the medicine. Go away.
says Da Scheide aka pussyturd

Nope. I have never seen alien lizards. but YOU keep talking about alien lizards as though you have a lot of experience with them. Is NASA aware that you are seeing alien telepathic lizards? You should inform them ASAP. And there is no mention of alien lizards or even plain lizards in your link. You still haven't showed any evidence that alien lizards exist - except in YOUR mind.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
Like I said, these individuals have no idea what communism is.

There aren't any communists in the US. Russia went down, and China is now arresting communists. It's dead.

My preferred system of government and economics is regulated capitalist social democracy,

says Da Scheide

Well, according to THIS -

https://www.brook...ongress/

Communism is very much alive and well in China.

Stop your excessive boozing and dry out, pussyman.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
Ok. @Sausage_in_egg takes the cake for active propagandist fox news goon head. Must be Russian sympathizer and ergo, a trump gag toady type. He'll say anything to destroy the liberal democracy of the USA.
says howhot3

Are you aware how STUPID you sound? You are beginning to sound just as stupid as Da Scheide aka DaPussytard. Must be Russian sympathiser sounds really, REALLY stupid.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 30, 2018
How do you become an adult in a Western society and not know what the Milankovic cycles are?

I'm going with home-schooled Scientologist.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsUE1k98frQ ,,,,no commies here

but when trump is gone they will silence the usefull idiots
says snoosebaum

Snoosebaum's estimation that when President Trump and moderate and conservative Republicans have been voted out by Socialist/Communist Democrats, then the Socialists and Communists will feel free to begin the destruction of the US and its Constitution and Laws with the help of the Elite Ruling Class in the AGW Climate Change movement, and to mobilise all the crazies to keep the movement going by attacking normal citizens and possibly placing them in FEMA camps like the one in the state of Georgia. Mark my words - This is inevitable.
rrrander
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2018
According to the World Health Organization, cold killed almost five million people in 2018. How much did warm kill?
greenonions1
4.6 / 5 (9) Dec 30, 2018
egg
How exactly do you KNOW for a fact where we are wrt the interglacial period?
Your question gets to the heart of the discussion egg. Science has developed a massive body of information about Earth's geology/climate over the past 4.6 billion years. What I know (damn limited) comes from reading - and to me it is pretty impressive. Scientists use techniques like tree ring/sediment/ice core/fossil/nuclear etc. etc analysis to put together a picture of Earth's history. The picture is always being worked on. THAT is how we know. Putting it bluntly - if you are not even remotely aware of this painstakingly complex process - you are just being an asshole wanting to make assertions on a science site. If you want to be critical of this body of knowledge - you better have the appropriate qualifications - and be highly educated on the topic. I am not - but I am in awe of the amazing work of science. It blows my mind - and disgusts me to see your kind of arrogance.
rrwillsj
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2018
simpleton_excretion_urinal has his/hers/its? "TOP SECRET" list of all the communists he/she/it? knows... Persona;lly!

But he/she/it? will never showthe list to anyone. Always claiming that list is after all "TOP SECRET",

In all actuality? that paper he/she/it? is clutching to their bosom? Is it's Mother's grocery list she gave it to go to the grocery store.

Instead, he/she/it? spent the money on crack & is right now hiding in the basement? Gibbering it's delusions on the Internet!
greenonions1
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
rrander
cold killed almost five million people in 2018
It's complicated isn't it? (I suspect you are not aware of that.) It is not just about heat vs cold. For example - pollution kills a similar # of people every year -
https://www.indep...751.html
How about drought? How about diseases that move around because of temperature changes? - https://www.who.i...ter6.pdf

So as we keep adding more folks to the planet - don't you think it is a good idea to study our world? Maybe listen to the scientists?

At very least - we need to wean off fossil fuels - make a dent in those pollution deaths - and develop a sustainable energy system - that can give everyone a high quality of life.
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
oh-oh my bad , all the BS , nobody read the article , , LOL

''The mercury is up to 16 degree Celsius (29 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than usual for this time of the year for southern Australia, ''

i guess somebody forgot the decimal point & marble bar is usually 49 in Dec .

antigoracle
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2018
Because of the Milankovic cycles. Maybe you've heard of them.

Dumb da dumb dumb. Dumb da dumb dumb duhhhh.....

Da Snot, the "meat" loving, knob gobbler, brays again.
Hey jackass, instead of having your boyfriend pummelling your rectum, trying to hit that "sweet spot", perhaps you can look up the fact that Milankovitch cycles is a hypothesis, and NOT FACT.

Dumb da dumb dumb. Dumb da dumb dumb duhhhh.....
cantdrive85
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
Show practicing communists in the Democratic Party,

So quickly we forget Obama and the dreams of his communist father, Frank Marshall Davis. The "leader of the free world" a self-righteous communist.
greenonions1
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 30, 2018
Our resident hophobe says
Milankovitch cycles is a hypothesis, and NOT FACT


despite the evidence presented by Milankovitch, it wasn't until the publication of the pioneering work of Hays, Imbrie and Shackleton in 1976 that the Milankovitch theory attained widespread acceptance
http://climatica....h-cycles

So one wonders what homophobes point is. What is your point? Given that (for example) gravity is still considered a theory. Can you provide support for asserting that Milankovitch cycles are hypothesis - rather than moving on to becoming theory or fact?

Discussion of Hypothesis/theory/fact/law - https://curiosity...riosity/
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
I've never seen the science behind these claims that '' global warming causes bigger heat waves '' , surely the only claim that can be made is that all temps everywhere are 1 degree more than they would be otherwise . Whew ! makes me sweat .
rrwillsj
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
cant drive
cant think
cant stay sober
cant invent
cant create
cant do more than waste electricity spreading deceitful lies & cowardly hate-mongering.

cant, snooze, eggy, & auntie the useless twats for bigotry & stuporstition.

The four of them sharing the same crack pipe.

An interesting aside, that I have wondered about for years. That bleating of "THE INEVITABLE RISE OF COMMUNIST GLOBAL DOMINATION"?

Has been such a right-wing fetish, since the 19th century. In endless infantile rants of distress.

You guys need to relieve your distress? Ask your mommies to change your diapers!

Marxism as written was a pipedream.
Marxism as practiced, was a nightmare.
You altright fairytails are the only stupes still faithfully preaching yje "inevitability" of the Communist Revolution.

What really makes this a cream-pie in your face?
Is that your fuhrer putin & his KGB cronies are the board of directors for the Global Fascist Axis. Of which you are all so besotted.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2018
egg
How exactly do you KNOW for a fact where we are wrt the interglacial period?
Your question gets to the heart of the discussion egg. Science has developed a massive body of information about Earth's geology/climate over the past 4.6 billion years. What I know (damn limited) comes from reading - and to me it is pretty impressive. Scientists use techniques like tree ring/sediment/ice core/fossil/nuclear etc. etc analysis to put together a picture of Earth's history.
says greenio

Like you, I have also read the reports. But unlike you, I am NOT impressed by climate scientists who are in complete agreement with the research (consensus), while vilifying those climate scientists who disagree with consensus and call for further research, rather than accept the results of those climate scientists whose main source of funding for their research is paid by taxpayers through the US Treasury and the auspices of government approval. Location, not region is key.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2018
-contd-
@greenio
The picture is always being worked on. THAT is how we know. Putting it bluntly - if you are not even remotely aware of this painstakingly complex process - you are just being an asshole wanting to make assertions on a science site. If you want to be critical of this body of knowledge - you better have the appropriate qualifications - and be highly educated on the topic. I am not - but I am in awe of the amazing work of science. It blows my mind - and disgusts me to see your kind of arrogance.
says greenio

The picture that is always worked on is that of the general consensus - which is that the Earth will be completely underwater within a given time (80 yrs) in order to circumvent the possibility that the Earth may only be undergoing normal/natural changes that have yet to be accounted for in the records. This is calculated to cause panic and fear amongst the public so as to ensure their support for the IPCC and other orgs who also tout the GW claim
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2018
-contd-
AGW is uppermost in the minds of the consensus driven climatologists - who find it absolutely necessary to place absolute blame on the human element, which is to say, had it not been for humanity, there could never have been such increases in temps and melting of glaciers - while also having to ADMIT to the fact that the climate/weather was much warmer/hotter in the Jurassic age of dinosaurs and that it could happen again. It is imperative to keep the public worried that their beachfront properties will be swamped with ocean water at sometime within the next 80 years. That flooding of land will surely keep the money pouring into the coffers of climate scientists who depend on taxpayer money for their sustenance and subsistence.
However, nations like China are exempt from this onslaught of AGW information. There is yet to be a campaign to prevent trade deals with China - unless and until they rid themselves of the use of fossil fuels altogether now. Fear of China?
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 30, 2018
OK, here's the deal:

We know for certain that the Earth's orbital and rotational parameters change over time. We know it because we can measure it, and predict it. This happens for a couple of reasons. First, the other planets in the Solar System exert gravitational forces that modify the Earth's orbital parameters, for example where in its orbit it gets closer to and farther from the Sun, and what the inclination of the orbit is. Second, the Earth is spinning, and this causes it to precess, just like a gyroscope does and for much the same reasons.

So that part is merely observed fact, not hypothesis or theory.

Peaks and valleys in the insolation predicted by these orbital and rotational changes have been observed in climate, by various proxies- tree ring widths, foraminifera population variations in deep mud cores, isotopic analysis, ice cores, and others. These match up quite well with the orbital changes.
[contd]
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2018
[contd]
None of these are hypotheses or theories either. They are facts, just as the orbital and rotational changes of Earth are facts.

So, here we have a known modulation of insolation, and the hypothesis that this changes Earth's climate. And over there we have known changes in climate, not merely from different proxies but different *kinds* of proxies. Some are biological, some paleontological, some physics, some geological. Now, when you make a hypothesis and make some predictions that should be correct if it's right, and then go look and those predictions turn out correct, then we call that a "theory." Not a hypothesis.

So let's try to keep our terminology correct, shall we? It's the Milankovic *theory*. Period.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2018
-contd-
The question is: Is it fear of China or is it fear of Chinese-style Communism and the fact that China is a Nuclear Power, that prevents a delegation consisting of greenonions, algore and others who support the IPCC and other doom and gloom climate orgs from traveling as a large group to Beijing and knocking on the door of the Communist Party there to announce that: "We have come to give you Chinese Communists notice that either you stop polluting and using fossil fuels or we will ________" Enter your choice of threats.
Chances are that you will be summarily kicked out of the country - possibly thrown into their local hoosegow, OR placed, blindfolded in front of a firing squad. It would be said of the delegation that: "They blinked and were only 'paper tigers'" - which really is quite apt a description of American climate AGW supporters/paper tigers who will not rock the boat where Communist nations are to be found. Any protests in Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela? NO?
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 30, 2018
And if you think we can't predict the orbital cycles, go check out an ephemeris some time. You might need some math though. Here's a good one:

https://ssd.jpl.n...emerides

They use these to guide spacecraft. They made it to Pluto. And the data goes all the way from planets down to asteroids. You can even get spacecraft locations, though you have to do some math. Many astronomers use these ephemerides to confirm their observations; because astronomers can see and measure the sky, including stars so distant that no orbital parameters we experience can affect their positions, this is a constant check on the accuracy of the data.

How do you think we're looking for threatening asteroids and comets? Examining animal entrails or tea leaves?
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Dec 30, 2018
egg
the general consensus - which is that the Earth will be completely underwater within a given time (80 yrs)
Why don't you give us some references to the science that says that the Earth will be "completely under water" within 80 years. Your screed above is total drivel - always taking science - and then turning it into politics. But if you are so smart - show what scientists said that the Earth will be completely under water. Further - show us that this is the 'general consensus.'
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 30, 2018
Standard trolling: make claims on behalf of persons not present then ignore all calls for confirmation in those persons' words. You'll get nothing but more bluster from @SEU.
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Dec 30, 2018
So egg. What are your qualifications, and in what way are you working in the field of climate - that makes you qualified to be "NOT impressed by climate scientists." I will give an example to explain why I think this question is critical. I am reading a book on health - written by a doc. In the section on human cell function - I am blown away by the complexity. In the mitochondria - there are some 1,500 proteins. I have no idea how you count 1500 proteins. Cells in the brain and the heart contain thousands of mitochondria. If I wanted to criticize the consensus view of the workings of a cell - I would need to have some qualifications. Standing on the sidelines - and declaring that I am "NOT impressed" - would make me really stupid, and an asshole. The work becomes so complex, and specialized - I must have the required education - if I want to join in the hard work of developing the science. cont.
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Dec 30, 2018
Accusing the scientists of fraud (as you and the other deniers do) - especially when you don't have the level of knowledge, or involvement in the field - is just ignorant.
Last point. You are of course entitled to your opinion - as uninformed as it may be. Here is the problem. I am not a young earth creationist. I think they are total idiots. I admire science. So I go to science sites - with the objective of enjoying the unfolding picture of our universe. I think - that I would be an asshole - to go to YEC web sites - and deliberately troll the sites.

See the point?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 31, 2018
Accusing the scientists of fraud (as you and the other deniers do) - especially when you don't have the level of knowledge, or involvement in the field - is just ignorant.
Last point. You are of course entitled to your opinion - as uninformed as it may be. Here is the problem. I am not a young earth creationist. I think they are total idiots. I admire science. So I go to science sites - with the objective of enjoying the unfolding picture of our universe. I think - that I would be an asshole - to go to YEC web sites - and deliberately troll the sites.

says greenio

I see that you have bought into the lies emanating from the Troll Da Scheide, who claims to be knowledgeable wrt my personal beliefs. If I were a young earth christian, whatever that is, I certainly would not be trying to convert anyone on physorg. But since I am not a believer in a "young Earth", I can only inform you that DaSchnotnose is a Liar who is also a stalker of the worst type
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 31, 2018
I am still waiting to hear of a delegation of AGWites traveling to Red China to force, beg, or cajole the Communist Politburo in Beijing to cease polluting their atmosphere, land and waters with fossil fuels. Will it happen? It would take some very brave Souls, highly motivated and with less regard for their own life to pull it off. I know that neither YOU nor big mouth Al Gore would be willing to place your own life in jeopardy to save humanity.
Well, maybe YOU might. but certainly not the former V.P. from Tennessee. If I were to go to Beijing to make my case, I would bring Da Pussy and SpookyOtto along to entertain Xi Jinping with their juggling act with chopsticks.
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Dec 31, 2018
If I were a young earth christian
Sorry - my intention was not to suggest that you were a YEC - it was to use that as an example. Simply to say that it would be rude of someone who does not respect science - to come to a science board... or vice versa. While you may not be a YEC, you certainly do come to a science board - and denigrate the work of science.
I am still waiting to hear of a delegation of AGWites traveling to Red China
Again - you confuse politics with science. I despise the communist party in China - and I am well aware of the record they have of killing millions of people. Currently - it is all I can do to manage my own life. I am aware of my privilege, and grateful that I live in a country with a high degree of freedom. Also aware that many here in the U.S. do not have my level of privilege. Hoping to free myself up financially - so that I can work less to provide for myself - and more to create a more fair world.
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Dec 31, 2018
Egg - I am still waiting to hear about your qualifications, and involvement in the process - for critiquing the work of many thousands, of highly educated, trained, hard working scientists - who have brought us the incredible depth of understanding of 4.6 billion years of Earth's history, and now continue to develop the picture - in terms of our climate today - and what may happen in the future.
rrwillsj
4 / 5 (4) Dec 31, 2018
It is a sign of the sheer stupidity of reactionary posturing.
When the altright fairytails are expressing their abiding envy & jealousy that the Left Fascists are more competent at mass murder than the Right Fascists.

"Oh Himmler! Tell us that isn't so?"
Old_C_Code
1 / 5 (3) Dec 31, 2018
Alt-right? God you are such an idiot.
antigoracle
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 31, 2018
Now, when you make a hypothesis and make some predictions that should be correct if it's right, and then go look and those predictions turn out correct, then we call that a "theory." Not a hypothesis. HAAWWW..HEEE...HAAWWW

LMAO.
Da Snot, the "meat" loving, knob gobbler, brays again.
As his boyfriend pummels his rectum, trying to hit his "sweet spot", he's getting the shite between his ears rattled, which he then spews onto the forum.
https://en.wikipe...h_cycles
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 31, 2018
"Prof. Dr H. Stephen Schneider, lead author in Working Group II of the IPCC (said in 1989): 'For these reasons we have to announce terrifying scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements with no mention of any doubts whatever which we might have. In order to attract attention, we need dramatic statements leaving no doubt about what is said. Every one of us researchers must decide how far he would want to be honest rather than effective."
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (10) Dec 31, 2018
Hey snoose - did you purposely leave off the last line of the quote from Dr. Schneider?
Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both


You evil little shits - you have no ethics at all.

https://judithcur...ication/
greenonions1
4.6 / 5 (9) Dec 31, 2018
Interesting article actually written by Dr. Schneider - in which he discusses the dishonesty of people like snoose - in twisting truth. The need to persuade people with lies and dishonesty says a lot about the kind of people you are snoose.
https://stephensc...ogy.html
Despite many attempts on my part — in my books, papers, talks, and other op-eds — to outline my opinions and dispel the media-propagated myths, the distortions continue to this day
howhot3
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 31, 2018
You evil little shits - you have no ethics at all.

My sentiments exactly. Lies, misinformation, propaganda, troll (and Russian) funded websites, and anti-democracy types that refuse to even recognize that these extreme heat waves (which were at one time extremely rare) are the problem. Not recognizing heat waves are part of the package that comes with the modern Anthropogenic Global Warming, is just another fallacy the extremist right likes to propagate.

rrwillsj
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 31, 2018
This is where you need to apply the Turing Test. Which is based on evaluating the tested for moral judgement & emotional empathy.

The deniershills, woocultists, theocratic fakirs, seditious collaborators & outright con artists of quackery, all fail that test.

There is no humanity in that gaggle of mountebanks. Just despicably evil programming.
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 31, 2018
thanks for the link

https://judithcur...ication/

an exhaustive coverage of the issue

but you just know who is right when the lead news items are two monuments to truth , ''Climate change '' [sic[ and ' the 'russian collusion '' , to bad you guys have the MSM working for you .
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Dec 31, 2018
to bad you guys have the MSM working for you
Just brush aside the fact that you have just been caught putting up a totally dishonest quote. You are so desperate to reveal the grand conspiracy (the one that exists in your mind) - that you will happily lie - and when caught - go right into the next phase from the denier play book - distraction. The MSM does not work for me. I don't have a lot of patience for the garbage that comes out of the MSM - but that is more because I think they waste our time with superficial drivel. Turn on the evening news - get 5 minutes of what happened in the world today - and 25 minutes of commercials - and who won Dancing with the Stars last night.

Like I say - you have no ethics.
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 31, 2018
One can have the greatest tactics ever, but if the army runs out of food the tactics don't matter any more.

Science doesn't need tactics. Just facts.
antigoracle
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 31, 2018
Stephen Schneider was a AGW Cult alarmist, hell bent on propagating PATHOLOGICAL LIES just to sustain the Cult's dogma.

https://www.youtu...hR1pNhLI
Why he defended those emails?. Because he FULLY participated in the DECEIT.
https://www.lavoi...ails.pdf
greenonions1
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 31, 2018
Stephen Schneider was a AGW Cult alarmist
He was a scientist. What ever your opinion of him personally - does not change the fact that snoose just lied about what he said. Typical denier/obfuscator. Nothing of any substance to contribute - so throw out distraction - from our resident homophobic creep.
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 31, 2018
lots of good stuff @antgors link ;;

''Wigley continues:
I suspect that de Freitas deliberately chose other referees who are members
of the skeptics camp. I also suspect that he has done this on other occasions.
How to deal with this is unclear, since there are a number of individuals
with genuine scientific credentials who could be used by an unscrupulous
editor to ensure that "anti-greenhouse" science can get through the peer
review process (Legates, Balling, Lindzen, Baliunas, Soon, and so on). The
peer review process is being abused, but proving this would be difficult.''
snoosebaum
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 31, 2018
cont'd ,
This is a damning admission by Wigley: he acknowledges that these skeptics have
impeccable scientific credentials; the only reason that they should be banned from
reviewing papers for journal publication is that they don't buy into their dogma of
global warming! This email dispels any doubt that this cosy club redefined "peers" to
mean "scientists who agree with us"—which makes a mockery of the entire idea of
"peer review".
snoosebaum
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 31, 2018
random quotes

Kevin Trenberth wrote:

Hi all

Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here
in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on
record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal
is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about
18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low. This is January weather
(see the Rockies baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last
night in below freezing weather).
greenonions1
4.4 / 5 (7) Dec 31, 2018
And snoose demonstrates that he/she could not care less that he/she is the one who has engaged in an act of dishonesty - on an open internet science site. He/she just goes right on posting - never missing a beat - pushing the conspiracy theory - and never taking one iota of responsibility for his/her own behavior. It is a waste of time to try to affect any change - they are immune to being shamed....
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 31, 2018
No, not immune. They just pretend they are to troll. It burns in their bellies... and in their subconscious. The storm of data has convinced everyone but the hardliners. And those who cannot afford to admit it.

Lynch mobs hanging polluters from lamposts, and nuclear weapons being used for ethnic cleansing to get water, may be the only solutions, and that's going to be really bad. Really bad. I don't expect to be around to see it, and I'll work against it all I can, but one can only do so much.

You can lead a person to knowledge but you can't make it think.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 01, 2019
@GreenO
they are immune to being shamed
it's part of being a martyr
https://en.wikipe..._complex

there are also some here who get paid to deny anything climate, so it's hard to differentiate them from the martyr complex idiots

Usually, a good indicator is their acceptance of physics or knowledge in related fields, but can be demonstrated in how they make arguments

antigor and shooty are more likely paid given their answers typically involve repeating the exact same lie in every climate thread, whereas snoose, uba, alche or certain others are far more likely either very stupid or afflicted with the martyr complex, which sometimes includes D-K

religious idiots denying climate science are usually either martyr complex or Dunning-Kruger, but almost always delusional sheep following someone else's lead, like eggy

watch how they answer and you'll start to see the pattern
snoosebaum
1.6 / 5 (7) Jan 01, 2019
hehe , thanks for the laugh , happy new year everyone

[ by the way its been a warm winter here so far ]
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 01, 2019
its been a warm winter here so far


https://phys.org/...dia.html
greenonions1
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 01, 2019
snoose
hehe , thanks for the laugh
So I see you laughing - and it seems to me that there is 2 possibilities. Either you don't understand the point being made. Or - you do understand the point, and you think it is funny.
The point is that facts/truth matter in science (well in life really.) You present yourself as someone - honestly wanting to engage in an exchange of ideas (called debate.) You were caught - in a very deliberate lie. Lies are evidence - either of stupidity, or of deliberate malfeasance. When presented with that lie - you ignored the reality of that lie - but continued right on - pushing your conspiracy theory.
Captain just outlined the problem for us - and you laugh. The real kicker is - tmrw, next week, next year etc. - you will still be presenting yourself as someone genuinely interested in a good faith exchange of ideas. As Captain points out - either a deliberate liar, or DK.
snoosebaum
1.6 / 5 (7) Jan 01, 2019
''very stupid or afflicted with the martyr complex, which sometimes includes D-K''

hmm yes , so is that you would desecribe this person, Scot Adams ?

https://www.youtu...oKwQPXY0
snoosebaum
1.6 / 5 (7) Jan 01, 2019
re being a troll , i am here because you guys are so commited to one side , its not a place for debate , its just fun to attack rigidly held ideas with other ideas
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 01, 2019
i am here because you guys are so commited to one side
You mean the side of science - right?
its not a place for debate
But you doggedly demand that Captain explain AGW in his own words! In other words you are openly admitting to being nothing more than a provocative troll.
its just fun to attack rigidly held ideas with other ideas
Just being a contrarian - does not make you smart. I think it is important to challenge rigidly held ideas - to see how they can be defended. The atheist community (consider myself an atheist) challenge religious views. But for the most part (not always) - that is an honest push to expose sloppy thinking. A search for truth. You are clearly not interested in truth - just in being a jerk. Fuck off. You create a hideous dilemma for people interested in honest dialogue. Ignore you - and you win. Engage you - and you win - cuz you have no ethics.
snoosebaum
1.6 / 5 (7) Jan 01, 2019
'' demand that Captain explain AGW in his own words! ''

yes and i'm still waiting,, should be pretty easy, whats the big problem?

I Won ! yippeee i won ! what did i win ?

ethics ? what that ? Hillary MSM Bilderbergers , Bush ,WMD ?

the truth will be revealed ,,in time ,, about AGW anyway
greenonions1
4.4 / 5 (7) Jan 01, 2019
I Won ! yippeee i won ! what did i win ?
You won the prize for biggest asshole. You see - science moves forward with a very disciplined process. A big part of that process - is the exchange of information. In exchanging information - we make assumptions about integrity/truth. You gladly flaunt your lack of interest in integrity and truth. It makes it that much harder for those of us interested in progress - cuz we have to waste energy - getting to know who is an asshole, and who is for real. So you win - in the sense that you accomplish your goal - which is clearly to fuck with people, and the process - just because you can. Congratulations.
snoosebaum
1.6 / 5 (7) Jan 01, 2019
lol ,, not the biggest russian bot ?

''science moves forward with a very disciplined process ''

too disciplined for us mere mortals i guess , not much point in 'exchanging information' then ?

like this one , https://www.youtu...YtRkCKms
greenonions1
4.6 / 5 (9) Jan 01, 2019
not much point in 'exchanging information' then ?
With liars and assholes? No point what so ever - as you can't trust the integrity of the process. That is why science has one huge built in error checking process. The process is transparent by definition. When we studied research in my psychology class - we were taught that we had to document our experiments to the nth detail. That way - others could replicate the experiment - and validate it - or demolish it. But you don't validate/demolish something from the peanut gallery. You have to actually do the work - and then your work gets subjected to the same process.

If you are ever caught lying - you are done. Then you have to satisfy your childish need to fuck with the process - by getting on internet sites and telling lies - and when you get called out for telling those lies - you move on to the next article - and try the same bullshit.
antigoracle
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 01, 2019
JaxPavan
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 01, 2019
When trolls argue it means the conventional wisdom is a lie.
Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 01, 2019
When trolls argue it means the conventional wisdom is a lie.
When trolls argue on the science site about the science article with no science it means they are afraid of science.

They shout about love
But when push comes to shove
They look for things they're afraid of
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 01, 2019
@snoozeTROLL
i am here because you guys are so commited to one side , its not a place for debate , its just fun to attack rigidly held ideas with other ideas
first of all, to be a debate, there must be two sides to the story
in AGW Science, there is reality and there is your side

the only legitimate "debate" in climate science is how to address the situation effectively, and you never actually address that at all, in any way, except to state your opinion as the only potential factual belief that can be had "because you guys are so commited to one side , its not a place for debate"[sic]
should be pretty easy, whats the big problem?
it is easy

But why should we be the ones capitulating in this debate when you're the idiot making claims without evidence?

it doesn't matter what I say anyway - you already admitted that you're here to troll and you have demonstrated that you don't read the studies or references
snoosebaum
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 01, 2019
''there must be two sides to the story''

so its like a religion then ?

''how to address the situation effectively,''

more taxes should do it and you better nuke China and indonesia while you are at it

read studies ,, hmm do you do that ? or just post them

'' it means they are afraid of science''

you mean like '' The mercury is up to 16 degree Celsius (29 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than usual for this time of the year '' a lunatic assertion u can check on a weather site , u should be afraid of that one

howhot3
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 01, 2019
You know what, @snooze? Nature's not going to change its mind just because you think otherwise. It's a serious problem and some of us are very concerned about it. If you don't think a 16 degrees Celsius shift in temperature for weeks at a time is unusual, perhaps you should look at it for what it is and that's a danger to life.

I was just looking at the newspaper from Sydney Australia and their current heat wave is in the 100+F range with no end in sight according to the forecasts. Not only is it a danger to life also the local economy put on hold while people try to seek cooler places.

More local to the USA, we've been having an unusual round of weather across lower 48.
greenonions1
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 01, 2019
goracle the homophobe
More lies from Stephen Schneider


Actually - more lies from goracle. On page 172 of the book goracle references - you will see exactly the same lie - as was presented by liar snoose.

Misrepresenting information for the purpose of proving that you personally are right - is the stock and trade of the dishonest deniers. They have no ethics - just want to fuck with things.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (7) Jan 01, 2019
@snoozeTROLL
so its like a religion then
your delusional belief that AGW is false?
yes, you're participating in a conspiracy theory religion

but don't worry - all you need is education to learn at least the basics of the scientific method
and that is free at MIT
more taxes should do it and you better nuke China and indonesia while you are at it
so, do you honestly think that will work?
I don't
You're so invested in the politics that you can't see the science - just the delusional rhetoric you espouse
read studies ,, hmm do you do that ? or just post them
I've read every one that I've linked or referenced

you, demonstrably, have not
you mean like
stopped there
you're quoting the article, not the science

this is where you and I differ:
you demonstrably believe that because it's printed on the interwebz, it's true

I believe that scientific evidence requires validation and adherence to scientific principles
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 02, 2019
Accusing the scientists of fraud (as you and the other deniers do) - especially when you don't have the level of knowledge, or involvement in the field - is just ignorant.
Last point. You are of course entitled to your opinion - as uninformed as it may be. Here is the problem. I am not a young earth creationist. I think they are total idiots. I admire science. So I go to science sites - with the objective of enjoying the unfolding picture of our universe. I think - that I would be an asshole - to go to YEC web sites - and deliberately troll the sites.

See the point?
says green

You should know by now after reading many of my posts that the "claim" that I'm a "young earth creationist" or "young earth christian" or whatever, is a complete fabrication that has been lied about over and over in many physorg forums by the Pussyturds Da Scheide and Captain Beelzebub, and sometimes, the other Pussyturd, SpookyOtto. These creeps resent my presence in this science site
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 02, 2019
@greenonions
And further, my opinions in regard to the possibility of AGW/climate change/global warming are my own, with the understanding that the reasons for these changes are many, and that those changes may not all be the result of anthropogenic caused climate/weather patterns/problems. I particularly deride the climatologist/politician cabal where taxpayer money is required in order to fix the problems, rather than a full-scale propaganda machine to inform the public of what may result within the next 80+ years unless the public helps to prevent it from occurring.
As a Creationist, I have deep respect for this planet that was created to eventually be the home of the human race. It is not within my power to make the changes that are due in order to fix these problems. The problems are still many and ridding the planet of the use of fossil fuels is unfeasible unless a cheap and plentiful alternative is found to replace fossil fuel usage.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 02, 2019
@greenonions
In any case, the prospect of AGW that may or may not affect the whole of the Earth is still, in my opinion, questionable, and the heightened excitations of the AGW community leaves me to pause and wonder WHY. Why has all the blame for this global warming and melting of glaciers been heaped only upon the shoulders of humans, when there are other possibilities that are also responsible for hot weather, etc other than driving a fossil-fueled vehicle, such as heat from hydrothermal and volcanic sources. Another bothersome concern is that AGW politico-climate mavens DEMAND taxpayer money from western nations, notably the American taxpayers, whose taxable incomes are often less than enough to live on - while the rich politicians such as Al Gore are making millions of USD in their climate-change related speaking engagements. IOW, these fat cats that are alleged AGW conservationists are, in reality, only in it to make themselves much more wealthy.
greenonions1
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 02, 2019
that I'm a "young earth creationist"
I was not accusing you of being a YEC - I was just using that as an example. If you look back to my post on Dec 31 - you will see that I was very clear about that point.
ridding the planet of the use of fossil fuels is unfeasible unless a cheap and plentiful alternative is found
We are in the process of developing exactly that. Renewables are now as cheap as fossil fuels - and the price is falling. Renewables are certainly plentiful.
in my opinion, questionable
Why has all the blame for this global warming and melting of glaciers been heaped only upon the shoulders of humans
My opinion, and your opinion are irrelevant. It shows that you do not understand science. Fact - the climate is warming. Fact - the scientific consensus is that the driver of this warming is green house gases in the atmosphere. If you have research that suggests otherwise - go ahead and publish. That is how it works.
greenonions1
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 02, 2019
only in it to make themselves much more wealthy
I agree with much of the criticism of Al Gore. I think he is sincere in his concern for the Earth - but I see that in many ways he hurts the issue of science - by trying to be some grand spokesperson. Al Gore is not a scientist - he is a politician - and now a celebrity. Don't confuse the issues. By focusing on Al Gore - and not on the science - you show that you are more interested in celebrity politics - than you are in science. Al Gore is trying to alert people to the science - but often uses hyperbole to try to get people aroused. He is clearly very wealthy - and uses that wealth to give himself a megaphone. I think he hurts the science - and wish that he would be more precise with his language. He gives the denier community a convenient target - which is unfortunately sometimes appropriate. Interesting how so many focus on Gore - and don't follow the actual science.
snoosebaum
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 02, 2019
''because it's printed on the interwebz, it's true

I believe that scientific evidence requires validation and adherence to scientific principles''

strange then , we don't see u objecting to the above bs article
snoosebaum
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 02, 2019
Climatologist Roy Spencer - The Bias in Climate Science

https://www.youtu...fpG3KvbQ

don't watch, its blasphemy !!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
@greenonions
You and I may differ in opinions, but not by very much. I agree that the global climate is getting warmer and that glaciers are melting in a few locations. Such changes have been occurring throughout the geological history of the Earth so that it is a repeatable process for many more billions of years as long as Earth exists, and as the Earth continues to take care of itself. That we understand this repeatable process is important to remind humans that they are not quite the "rulers" of this planet as they think they are. Homo Sapiens is but a blip in overall history and, according to scientists, was an accidental occurrence that may or may not ever occur again - which is why they are desperate to repeat the process of genesis in the lab.
-contd-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
-contd-
@greenions
As to humans being the cause of AGW by their usage of fossil fuels, do try to remember that fossil fuels have, for most if not all of human history, been the reason for the present existence of the descendants of the first Homo Sapiens millions of years ago - from the very first discovery of how to make fire and burn wood to keep warm and to cook food - to the present ability to keep homes warm, cook food and turn on lights. Humans have come a long way from primitive living.
But the problem isn't the current ability to warm homes and cook food - it is the perception that it is humans who are the cause of most of the pollution of land, sea and atmosphere - and that pollution is the result of the modern usage of fossil fuels to run cars, airplanes, buses, etc. - as well as the coal, gas and oil-driven utilities that provide the electricity to do all the mundane things that modern humans require to live happily and comfortably.
-contd-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
You also must remember that each time that the power goes out in any populated region - particularly in the western hemisphere, such as is caused by severe hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, ice and snowstorms and other inclement weather - who is it that suffers the most? Why, it is homo sapiens that is hurt by it, where their lives are disrupted in many ways.
So, the humans who are claimed to be the primary cause of AGW are also the victims of changes in weather and climate.
Now, YOU claim that there are new devices that would mitigate the usage of fossil fuels. We all know of the power of the Sun for solar panels, and the power of the wind for windmills, but wind and solar power is unethical when eagles and other beautiful birds are randomly killed by windmills and solar farms as they fly overhead - where even offshore facilities could also kill.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
Battery-powered vehicles still depend on fossil fueled facilities to provide electricity - particularly on cloudy days and nighttime. Such things are unavoidable. Electricity from nuclear-powered facilities are fine for recharging if one is not anti-nuclear; hydrothermal facilities are also naturally-derived energy if you happen to live in Iceland; nuclear fission is still in its very early stages and, IMO, too dangerous. So what else is there that could keep all of humanity happy for all their electrical power needs? Some lighting fixtures have been improvised to take full advantage of the sunshine over a roof - mostly set up in third-world nations, as well as improvisation of air-conditioning with plastic bottles - also in those nations.
But the main point is, Mr. Onions - that humans DEMAND cheap electrical power, and many more have learned to not pollute and to recycle trash - as you and I do.
But the word needs to be SHOUTED OUT to those who don't
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
Now, as to the hypocrisy of the AGW-derived Rich Elite Ruling Class - with or without Al Gore - the obvious point to be made is that these RERC have NOT ceased their OWN usage of fossil fuels as they drive around in their expensive fossil-fueled vehicles and fly to and from expensive fossil fuel powered hotels to attend expensive fossil fuel powered IPCC meetings to talk with each other about the need for those poor working slobs in those rich nations like the US, Germany, France, etc, as well as those poverty-stricken shithole nations (who deserve to acquire the wealth of the richer nations so that there will be WEALTH EQUALITY for all), and to DEMAND that money be transferred to THEIR collective IPCC bank account to be distributed to the poor and needy nations whose corrupt leaders will ensure that the poor never see a dime of that money geared to help end their poverty - as well as to struggling climatologists who expect to be paid off.
i.e. AGW hypocrisy
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
ERRATUM -
"...live in Iceland; nuclear fission is still in its very early stages and, IMO, too dangerous."
in the above statement, nuclear fission should have been Nuclear FUSION.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 02, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
Oh yes - the science and its method(ology) -
Science is NEVER settled, no matter in which discipline it is claimed to be - not even in Medicine.
The volcanos at Krakatoa, Mount Aetna, and other volcanos around the world, as well as subduction zones are of great interest to me. But the one I am most concerned about (as others are), is the caldera at the super volcano in Yellowstone National Park in the US. When, not if she explodes, it could cause a new ice age that will make AGW appear wimpy by comparison.
Once it happens, it MAY rival the demise of the dinosaurs - but I will wait to find out - whether or not it occurs during my human host's lifetime.
greenonions1
4.4 / 5 (7) Jan 02, 2019
I am just going to answer a couple of points. Firstly - clearly you are not at all informed about energy. There is plenty of wind and solar to power the earth. It can be backed up with hydro storage - and other storage devices are in the development. Fusion is a long ways off. I hope we master it some day - but it is not ready for today. Wind/solar/wave/tidal/geothermal/hydro/bio fuels are all here today - and we could transition over very fast if we chose to. Yes there would be a cost - as we would be retiring plants before their time - and that is expensive. The price on renewables is falling fast - and it certainly does not make sense economically to build nukes.
Science is NEVER settled,
So what? You are correct - but that does not stop us developing gps does it? And when I get sick - I go to the doctor. Because although not ultimately settled - the doctor knows more about cancer than I do - so I go consult with her - and accept her wisdom!!!
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 02, 2019
Science just used Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation to guide a spacecraft beyond Pluto to a rendezvous with a minor planet a billion miles further from the Sun than Pluto.

The TUG is several hundred years old.

Would you call that "settled science?"

Just askin'.
antigoracle
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 02, 2019
Science just used Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation to guide a spacecraft beyond Pluto to a rendezvous with a minor planet a billion miles further from the Sun than Pluto.

The TUG is several hundred years old.

Would you call that "settled science?"

Just askin'.

Da Snot, the "meat" loving, knob gobbler, brays again and soils the forum with the "shite" between his ears.
It's Newton's LAWS that are used in space travel, and those are SETTLED. There are still many unanswered questions as to gravity, hence it remains a theory.

Are you going to keep letting your boyfriend pummel your rectum, trying to hit that "sweet spot" and rattling the shite between your ears?

Just askin'.
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
It's Newton's LAWS that are used in space travel, and those are SETTLED.
But you trolls said there is no "SETTLED SCIENCE."

Are you now admitting you lied?
antigoracle
2 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
It's Newton's LAWS that are used in space travel, and those are SETTLED.
But you trolls said there is no "SETTLED SCIENCE."

Are you now admitting you lied?

One thing that's absolutely settled, is that your boyfriend is pummelling the stupid out of you.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 02, 2019
I am just going to answer a couple of points. Firstly - clearly you are not at all informed about energy.
says greenonions

Clearly I never said I'm an expert

There is plenty of wind and solar to power the earth. It can be backed up with hydro storage - and other storage devices are in the development. Fusion is a long ways off. I hope we master it some day - but it is not ready for today. Wind/solar/wave/tidal/geothermal/hydro/bio fuels are all here today - and we could transition over very fast if we chose to.


The same points I have already brought up

Yes there would be a cost - as we would be retiring plants before their time - and that is expensive. The price on renewables is falling fast - and it certainly does not make sense economically to build nukes.
Science is NEVER settled,
So what?


Money isn't everything, but IPCC et al seem eager to spend ours. The US needs to support her own citizens + some for charitable causes
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 02, 2019
It's Newton's LAWS that are used in space travel, and those are SETTLED.
But you trolls said there is no "SETTLED SCIENCE."

Are you now admitting you lied?
says Da Pussy

No, he didn't lie. There is no such thing as "SETTLED science". NOTHING is unshakable anywhere. All there is is the consensus of science and that can change at some point in time IF new and better discoveries are made by scientists/researchers. Not even Newton's Laws or Einstein's GR/SR are safe from the possibility of some relevant changes if there is merit.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 02, 2019
Science just used Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation to guide a spacecraft beyond Pluto to a rendezvous with a minor planet a billion miles further from the Sun than Pluto.

The TUG is several hundred years old.

Would you call that "settled science?"

Just askin'.
says Da Pussytard

What's your point/argument? Gravity is real - nobody denies that. Try stepping off a cliff edge to experience Gravity all the way down. That object Ultima Thule is only a 2,200 km long ROCK, not even a minor planet wrt the claim - and not even big enough for a family of raccoons to cavort on.
It more resembles the shape of a snowman, if anything.

To guide a spacecraft beyond Pluto is no big deal these days. Humans have been to the Moon and walked over its surface and returned to Earth. THAT is much more impressive.
greenonions1
4.4 / 5 (7) Jan 02, 2019
Clearly I never said I'm an expert
But you try to discuss the subject - when you clearly have no real understanding of the topic.
The same points I have already brought up
But you say stupid things like this
and solar farms as they fly overhead
No - solar farms do not kill birds. CSPV does have a problem with birds flying through the beam. In general - the Uadubon society supports the use of solar panels. It is interesting how you are so concerned about the problem of bird kill - but not about this (just for example) - https://www.huffi...159.html

Right now energy choices are a question of the least bad. Wind and solar are the least bad. If you understood the subject in more depth - you would know about coal mining, and air quality in countries like China and India.
greenonions1
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 02, 2019
egg.
Gravity is real
So is the warming of the earth. So what is your point? You were the one who said that science is never settled - so by extension - we cannot KNOW anything (I think that is the point you are trying to make - but correct me if I am wrong.)
So when you get sick - do you go to the doc? If yes - is that not contradictory to someone who says "Science is never settled." Do you get the point? Right - science is never settled - so what? We work with the best information we have at any time - but always up for challenge. Until there is new information - I will take the antibiotic - or chemo therapy etc. - as it is the best information we have today. Do you see how those of us who value science - are sick of cocky little deniers - over and over and over saying the same things? "Science is never settled - so you can't believe a scientists. Nanny nanny boo boo"
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 02, 2019
The constant whining of climate deniers about bird kills at solar and wind sites is a trolling tactic. It's not worth responding to.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 03, 2019
egg.
Gravity is real
So is the warming of the earth. So what is your point? You were the one who said that science is never settled - so by extension - we cannot KNOW anything (I think that is the point you are trying to make - but correct me if I am wrong.)
So when you get sick - do you go to the doc? If yes - is that not contradictory to someone who says "Science is never settled." Do you get the point? Right - science is never settled - so what? We work with the best information we have at any time - but always up for challenge. Until there is new information - I will take the antibiotic - or chemo therapy etc. - as it is the best information we have today. Do you see how those of us who value science - are sick of cocky little deniers - over and over and over saying the same things? "Science is never settled - so you can't believe a scientists. Nanny nanny boo boo"
says green

And I'll say it again - science is NEVER settled - however..
-cond-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 03, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
I never said that humans cannot KNOW anything. What you learn and what you KNOW is only true IN THE PRESENT. e.g. YOUR example: "So when you get sick - do you go to the doc? The answer to that is - of course. For example: Mr.onions goes to the doc and is told he has only 1 year to live due to an inoperable brain tumour. The doc has no medicine, no way to cure you or to kill the aggressive tumour. Time to get your affairs in order. THAT is SETTLED SCIENCE.
But, 8 months later, a research team develops a method to remove the tumor from Mr.Onion's brain along with chemotherapy that will prevent the tumour from growing back.
So what does Mr.onions DO. Does he say NO, the science is already settled? Of course not. Well, maybe he would - it is hard to tell.
The point being that the science is NEVER settled while research is being carried out. The same with the AGW, Physics, Medicine, Business, Politics - these are ALWAYS CHANGING IN THE FUTURE.
RealityCheck
2.6 / 5 (5) Jan 04, 2019
@S_E_U.
For example: Mr.onions goes to the doc and is told he has only 1 year to live due to an inoperable brain tumour. The doc has no medicine, no way to cure you or to kill the aggressive tumour. Time to get your affairs in order. THAT is SETTLED SCIENCE.
But, 8 months later, a research team develops a method to remove the tumor from Mr.Onion's brain along with chemotherapy that will prevent the tumour from growing back.
So what does Mr.onions DO. Does he say NO, the science is already settled? Of course not. Well, maybe he would - it is hard to tell.
The point being that the science is NEVER settled while research is being carried out. The same with the AGW, Physics, Medicine, Business, Politics - these are ALWAYS CHANGING IN THE FUTURE.
In that 'vein': we know NOW the 'problem' (tumor/global warming) is REAL; and are working on/discussing ways to 'solve' (treat/remedy) the problem. Is that how you'd characterize where we're at with AGW science/debate, S_E_U? :)
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 04, 2019
@RC
Good question. Everything that we are experiencing presently is In the "NOW". But fortunately, that Now becomes the Past and a new Now becomes the Present. Elementary, of course. It just means that what we THINK is "rock-solid truth" in the Now is capable of either surprising us or biting us on the arse if we stubbornly CLING to what we know Now, whether or not there is actual timely research going on, as its duration continues from our perspective of Now and stretching into the future, whether or not we are aware of it.
Everything in the Now is Real to us. Our keen perception of what we are experiencing NOW may or may not be regulated by the human brain processing of such emotions as Hope, concern, worry, faith, etc. But all the while, even if we are not aware of it, something else could be going on that is apart of what we KNOW at present. So with a bit of patience, the future could change, and when the future becomes NOW - there may be good news in it. Hope springs eternal
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 04, 2019
Pollution of the Earth - air, sea, land - is a tangible thing which can be changed in the future if a change is in the making. But it takes more than just the talking about those changes. It is more important to get the crucial information out to the public for the duration so that the public is kept well informed through the news media wrt their part in preventing GW and pollution. GW is also caused by natural Earth processes such as in volcanic eruptions emitting ash into the atmosphere, whether locally or globally. We have no control over volcanos, but we can devise better warning systems and things like face masks to protect lungs. And governments should be held more responsible for keeping their citizens better informed.
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2019
TrollianRealityCheck
In that 'vein': we know NOW the 'problem' (tumor/global warming) is REAL; and are working on/discussing ways to 'solve' (treat/remedy) the problem. Is that how you'd characterize where we're at with AGW science/debate, S_E_U? :)

TRC
If it has been said once
it has been said a thousand times
your punctuation, capitalisation, bracketed textural commentary style
on first impression
as first impressions
are the important impression that count
give a disjointed cramped compressed confusing textural style
as though, TRC
you are trying to cram
as much
information
in the smallest space possible
which
in truth
it is your punctuation, bracketed capitalised style
that is using
all those thousand characters
that could otherwise be put to good use
Putting your point across
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2019
TrollianRealityCheck
In that 'vein': we know NOW the 'problem' (tumor/global warming) is REAL; and are working on/discussing ways to 'solve' (treat/remedy) the problem. Is that how you'd characterize where we're at with AGW science/debate, S_E_U? :)

If you de-punctuate
You increase your available characters
For example

In that vein we know now the problem tumour global warming is real and are working on discussing ways to solve treat remedy the problem is that how you'd characterize where we're at with AGW science debate SEU

Now RealityCheck
does not that look nicer pleasanter cleaner
and
most importantly
You now have more available characters to put your point across
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2019
As if you now had not noticed
RealityCheck
with all the punctuations
You are TrollianRealityCheck
without all the punctuations
You are RealityCheck
greenonions1
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 04, 2019
egg
And I'll say it again - science is NEVER settled - however..
So I will ask you again - what is the point you are trying to make? We agree that science is never - in a final sense settled. But also that we know what we know today - and work off that current state of understanding. So here is the kind of quote from you - that makes me respond.
In any case, the prospect of AGW that may or may not affect the whole of the Earth is still, in my opinion, questionable
If as we agree - science is never settled - then everything is 'questionable.' But in order to challenge the scientific consensus (that the earth is warming - and the driver of that warming is greenhouse gas accumulation) - you need evidence. My opinion, and your opinion - are irrelevant. You seem to not understand that. If you have evidence - then publish - and subject your 'evidence' to the rigors of science.
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
Why would a rural station that has never changed location or instrumentation have its data adjusted?

http://landscapes...5yGashaA
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 04, 2019
@snooseTROLL who ignores evidence
Why would a rural station that has never changed location or instrumentation have its data adjusted?
you've already asked this and it was answered more than a few times on this site

https://www.factc...re-data/

I would provide a more technical breakdown but you ignored that already the first few times you regurgitated this blatant falsehood argument from denial
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
your link is about a guy named homewood , mine is not

they have been adjusting rural stations upwards

too scared to read my link ? Is blasphemy ! tell me about that AGw hypothesis how does that work ?
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 04, 2019
This Aussi heat was mirrored in this East Anglia Desert

This Cambridgeshire summer was warm
for in these Shires
in these country fields
where these sleek race horses of kings
had not had a green blade of grass to nibble
the temperature went to 40°C for months
as now
at
a balmy 1°C
the Hollyhocks having flowered after the desert heat
are still flowering in their pots
while the hazel trees catkins and red flowers are in full bloom
as
a sense of feel
that this new year
is going to exceed 2018 40°C summer heat
In the desert of East Anglia
so
are Aussi friends
will look back at their 2018 Christmas summer
because
in their 2019 Christmas summer
the temperature are going to be hot
so hot, they will look back at this summer
Like a cool fresh breeze as they sipped their amber nectar
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
Ah yes O' to be in England the green and pleasant land ! , now filled with Muzzies

meanwhile , lots of blasphemy

https://www.youtu...tEKsgABw
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
another problem , papers like this tell me absoluley nothing . It is a description of an ideal rather than a practical illustration

https://agupubs.o...JD016187
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
TrollianRealityCheck
In that 'vein': we know NOW the 'problem' (tumor/global warming) is REAL; and are working on/discussing ways to 'solve' (treat/remedy) the problem. Is that how you'd characterize where we're at with AGW science/debate, S_E_U? :)

If you de-punctuate
You increase your available characters
For example

In that vein we know now the problem tumour global warming is real and are working on discussing ways to solve treat remedy the problem is that how you'd characterize where we're at with AGW science debate SEU

Now RealityCheck
does not that look nicer pleasanter cleaner
and
most importantly
You now have more available characters to put your point across
says granville

It also looks much neater - no longer cluttered with extraneous verbiage that is often similar - unless the extraneous is crucial to making the point/argument. LOL
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
egg
And I'll say it again - science is NEVER settled - however..
So I will ask you again - what is the point you are trying to make? We agree that science is never - in a final sense settled. But also that we know what we know today - and work off that current state of understanding. So here is the kind of quote from you - that makes me respond.
In any case, the prospect of AGW that may or may not affect the whole of the Earth is still, in my opinion, questionable
If as we agree - science is never settled - then everything is 'questionable.' But in order to challenge the scientific consensus (that the earth is warming - and the driver of that warming is greenhouse gas accumulation) - you need evidence. My opinion, and your opinion - are irrelevant. You seem to not understand that. If you have evidence - then publish - and subject your 'evidence' to the rigors of science.
says greenonions

Da Pussyman had said:
-contd-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
Da Pussyman had said earlier - "But you trolls said there is no "SETTLED SCIENCE."

Apparently, Da PussyTroll believes that AGW is a "settled science", and has a commitment to AGW as a settled science undoubtedly caused by humans- and thinks of himself as YOUR ally due to YOUR argument that AGW is confirmed science - caused by humans.
I don't doubt that CO2, Methane, etc are greenhouse gases that are a component of pollutants that may or may not harm the environment in which organic organisms and human machines live.
But I/we object to the possibility of having our paid taxes from our taxable income stolen from the US Treasury who holds that money for safekeeping, to be forcibly given to such as IPCC, where it will make the recipients more comfortable with OUR money.
Perhaps you consider it a kindness to provide IPCC and other orgs with the ability to enrich themselves. I don't. The future may bring new climate science different from what you know today
greenonions1
4 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
snoose
now filled with Muzzies
Thanks snooze - you racists never seam to be able to keep your garbage to yourselves too long - do you?

Interesting to see the patterns. You and Otto share your racist turrets syndrome - and also demonstrate a fascinating lack of critical thinking. I often wonder how white supremacists can live with the cognitive dissonance needed - to hate people just because they look different - at the same time as trying to pretend to be educated, and enlightened. The really odd thing is - that in many cases - the one thing a racist hates, is to be called a racist.

BTW - I am a Brit (ex pat), and also an atheist. As long as you don't fuck with me - I am happy to live alongside you - no matter what your religion. Moslems have as much right to live in England as I do.
greenonions1
4 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2019
YOUR argument that AGW is confirmed science
You deniers always have to play stupid word games. We have agreed that in a final sense - nothing is settled. Everything is always open to challenge.
The evidence shows that the Earth is in a warming trend. The consensus of science is that the driver of that warming - is loading the atmosphere with green house gasses. If you have evidence to the contrary - publish. What part of what I have just said do you not understand?

The future may bring new climate science
We don't know what the future will bring - we have projections - but of course - we cannot see the future. BUT - until we arrive at that future - and we have that new evidence to examine - the science today - is the best knowledge/understanding that we have. Si?
snoosebaum
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2019

prof Ian Clark i guess he is another ignorant denier lunatic . Stumpy would piss on his head

https://www.youtu...SkBrI-TM
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 04, 2019
@idiot illiterate snooseTROLL
Stumpy would piss on his head
(assuming this is the Geoscience/geologist professor) no, I wouldn't
I would offer the following:
1- publish a study in a reputable high impact journal after passing peer review
2- get it validated
https://www.youtu...SkBrI-TM
YT video's aren't science unless there is a journal study reference, and then it still isn't science unless it is validated by said reference

moreover, your link is just to an interview - so there isn't a reason to watch it

lastly, it doesn't prove your claims of "data adjusted" and it's not empirical evidence showing any conspiracy for your delusional "data adjusted" claims

.

just because you don't understand the science doesn't mean no one else does

so repeating your lie doesn't make it truer

prediction:
likely you will just repeat this lie again and again, as you already have

anyone care to take my bet?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 04, 2019
snoose
now filled with Muzzies
Thanks snooze - you racists never seam to be able to keep your garbage to yourselves too long - do you?

Interesting to see the patterns. You and Otto share your racist turrets syndrome - and also demonstrate a fascinating lack of critical thinking. I often wonder how white supremacists can live with the cognitive dissonance needed - to hate people just because they look different - at the same time as trying to pretend to be educated, and enlightened. The really odd thing is - that in many cases - the one thing a racist hates, is to be called a racist.

BTW - I am a Brit (ex pat), and also an atheist. As long as you don't fuck with me - I am happy to live alongside you - no matter what your religion. Moslems have as much right to live in England as I do.
says greenonions

BTW - I am a Brit (exPat), & also a Creationist. yadda yadda yada and yada too.
-contd-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
I think that Mr.Onions has lost the wonders of the "Freedom of Expression", Freedom of Religion", and "Freedom of Peaceful Assembly" that too many White folks take for granted. Jihadist Muslims, sometimes known as Muzzies are in total disagreement wrt the individual verbal or written expressions, individual religious adherence (unless it is adherence to Islam) and peaceful assembly that is safe from Muslims plowing into a crowd in England or Germany and blowing up tall occupied buildings for their Allah.
For YOU, Mr.Onions to call snoosebaum a "racist" because he has referred to Muslims by their nickname is absolutely ridiculous. Brits have been referring to Irishmen as "micks"; Italians as Dago or guinea; Polish as pollocks; Germans as Krauts, etc., and those are all Whites.
Incidentally, there are also White Jihadist Muslims, Chinese, Black, Indonesians and other ethnicities & races - and all practise the religion of Islam. So what are you going on about?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 04, 2019
YOUR argument that AGW is confirmed science
You deniers always have to play stupid word games. We have agreed that in a final sense - nothing is settled. Everything is always open to challenge.
The evidence shows that the Earth is in a warming trend. The consensus of science is that the driver of that warming - is loading the atmosphere with green house gasses. If you have evidence to the contrary - publish. What part of what I have just said do you not understand?

The future may bring new climate science
We don't know what the future will bring - we have projections - but of course - we cannot see the future. BUT - until we arrive at that future - and we have that new evidence to examine - the science today - is the best knowledge/understanding that we have. Si?


Perhaps you didn't read the full sentence. I said "The future MAY bring new climate science". I did not say it WILL. Please learn to read the little nuances in a sentence.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2019
@greenonions
So you have expressed an attitude that exposes YOUR probable desire for full diversity and mixed-race human machines to populate the Earth of the future or ASAP. Is that your hope for the future of humanity? You might find this YouTube video of interest - or you might hate it. Pay close attention, as you may learn something.

https://www.youtu...lwq0pO4A
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (4) Jan 05, 2019
more stupid people because they speak on youtube nothing they say has ANY meaning lol

https://www.youtu...iJbSTIcQ @ 4: mins
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (4) Jan 05, 2019
another one for Cap'n stupid

https://www.youtu...nWFlDvxE
greenonions1
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 05, 2019
egg
Please learn to read the little nuances in a sentence
Piss off. It does not change the point to use the word MAY, or the word WILL. The point is that we do not know what the future holds. Your need to play word games is stupid. We do not KNOW what the future holds - so we have to wait until the future arrives - but we can do our best at making predictions. Those predictions may be accurate - or there may be error bars (they may be a little off) - or a black swan may come along - and surprise us all. So what? The point being made is that we deal NOW with the best information we have. That is called science. Science is a collaborative process. My opinion and your opinion mean nothing. Evidence means everything. If you have evidence - then publish. Otherwise you are nothing more than an irrelevant youtube video. Cont.
greenonions1
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 05, 2019
cont. I started to watch your racist video. It is irrelevant to me - and certainly not anything I need to waste my time on. I choose what I watch/read/listen to. Not you.
YOUR probable desire for full diversity and mixed-race human machines to populate the Earth of the future or ASAP
I have no such desire. Yes - I like diversity. I think it makes the world interesting that we have many different cultures, and many different kinds of people. My HOPE for the future is that we learn to be kind, and tolerant. The Nazis were not kind/tolerant. They killed people who were different. Your posting that racist video - suggests to me that you also are a racist - and see one kind of person as superior to another. I don't like religion - but I have many good/special friends who are highly religious. I am not more important than they are - we are equal. I hate your white supremacy - as I hate the Nazis.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Jan 05, 2019
@snoozeTROLL
more stupid people because they speak on youtube nothing they say has ANY meaning lol
it doesn't matter if they're on youboob or CNN, it's an opinion unless it can be validated with science

moreover, just because it's said doesn't mean it's factual

that is the reason Science is so powerful: it isn't *opinion*

lastly: you can't produce science so you link opinion from any source that you feel supports your opinion
snoosebaum
2 / 5 (4) Jan 05, 2019

@ stump- twit

''unless it can be validated with science ''

just because it's said doesn't mean it's factual

'' Science is so powerful: it isn't *opinion* ''

the climategate emails proved otherwise

''' lastly: you can't produce science so you link opinion from any source that you feel supports your opinion ''

do you expect the catholic church to become atheist ? when they do i'll provide the link
greenonions1
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 05, 2019
do you expect the catholic church to become atheist ?
I expect the Catholic church to wither - and fall off the vine. Knowledge, science and critical thinking skills - leave superstition in the dustbin of history. Catholic churches all over Europe are closing - http://www.glimps...re-pope/

I expect that trend to continue all across the world - as science replaces child like superstitious thinking.
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 05, 2019
@snoozeTROLL the illiterate
just because it's said doesn't mean it's factual
in science, it's not a matter of "saying", it's a matter of "evidence
the climategate emails proved otherwise
false claim per the evidence

1- "Claims that the e-mails are evidence of fraud or deceit, however, misrepresent what they actually say" - https://www.factc...ategate/

2- "Other quotes that skeptics say are evidence of "data manipulation" actually refer to how numbers are presented, not to falsifying those numbers" - factcheck

in summary: "Skeptics claim this trove of e-mails shows the scientists at the U.K. research center were engaging in evidence-tampering, and they are portraying the affair as a major scandal: "Climategate." We find such claims to be far wide of the mark" - factcheck
do you expect the catholic church
I don't expect any religious organization to change their dogma, including you and your denier idiots
snoosebaum
3 / 5 (2) Jan 05, 2019
@ stump-twit

'' false claim per the evidence''

u can read them yourself ' fakecheck '' isn't that one of those DNC jobs ?

''in science, it's not a matter of "saying", it's a matter of "evidence''

in climate science its a matter of declaring some evidence not climate science , so you are correct by definition

case in point , do you think Judith Curry is a climate scientist ?
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (1) Jan 05, 2019
@illiterate snoozeTROLL
u can read them yourself
and I did, unlike you, apparently
here! This will help: http://readingbear.org/

' fakecheck '' isn't that one of those DNC jobs ?
more credibility than your idiot watts,etc
in climate science its a matter of declaring some evidence not climate science
conspiracist ideation
you assume that, because you're an idiot and don't understand the science, then no one else does
case in point , do you think Judith Curry is a climate scientist ?
As of 2017, she has retired from academia
moreover, just because she dissents doesn't mean she's correct

all science is scepticism wrapped in the desire for knowledge

you can worship her - I don't care
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 05, 2019
cont. I started to watch your racist video. It is irrelevant to me - and certainly not anything I need to waste my time on. I choose what I watch/read/listen to. Not you.
YOUR probable desire for full diversity and mixed-race human machines to populate the Earth of the future or ASAP
I have no such desire. Yes - I like diversity. I think it makes the world interesting that we have many different cultures, and many different kinds of people. My HOPE for the future is that we learn to be kind, and tolerant. The Nazis were not kind/tolerant. They killed people who were different. Your posting that racist video - suggests to me that you also are a racist - and see one kind of person as superior to another. I don't like religion - but I have many good/special friends who are highly religious. I am not more important than they are - we are equal. I hate your white supremacy - as I hate the Nazis.
says greenonions

White pride is racist? Really?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 05, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
You said "racist video", So, you seem to be saying that the young girl in the video who is extolling the virtues of her own race and its good accomplishments past and present, must be a racist because she is extolling those virtues?

From your OWN words, I can only assume that YOU are anti-White race and that YOU hate the existence of the White race and prefer their demise - replaced by full diversity - just as she is saying in the video. Your comments seem non-committal and yet you have called ME a racist, as well as the girl in the video who isn't,. Currently, there are many of diverse race - spoken of in the news that are against "Straight White Males". Do you agree with them?

You say that the Nazis were not kind/tolerant. And I suppose that Muslim men who have joined ISIS and alQaeda and other terrorist orgs are?
Diversity is a human condition, mostly due to evolution "as necessary" wrt the climate, temps, latitude/longitude, elevations etc.
snoosebaum
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 05, 2019
''all science is scepticism wrapped in the desire for knowledge ''

@stump-twit got one right ! now if he could just put into words his favourite theory
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 05, 2019
do you expect the catholic church to become atheist ?
I expect the Catholic church to wither - and fall off the vine. Knowledge, science and critical thinking skills - leave superstition in the dustbin of history. Catholic churches all over Europe are closing - http://www.glimps...re-pope/

I expect that trend to continue all across the world - as science replaces child like superstitious thinking.
says greenonions

The Catholic Church, in particular, is losing its members/adherents due to homosexual/pederast priests and protection of them by church hierarchy. Those monsters have been hidden from church-goers to keep the Vatican's treasury filled, as that religion depends on its wealth/properties to sustain its world-presence. But the homosexuals and pederasts have doomed their own Souls and will not escape punishment for their sins against the Creator and humanity.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 05, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
One man's steak is another man's slops. The Catholic Church's teachings/dogma of itself is not at fault, in reality - except that the early Church clergy insisted the seminarians/priests take a vow of celibacy; celibacy being against human nature and the very strong urge to mate which the Church taught was sinful. Those seminarians who weren't already homosexual, soon were driven to it by their sexual urges, while believing that they were keeping their vow of celibacy if they had nothing to do with women.

There are Catholic priests/bishops, etc. who are scientists, Astronomers/Astrophysicists who are utilising telescopes and other instruments such as in Arizona - near UA. It isn't all prayer and Latin Mass.
I think that the Catholic Church is an interesting religion/dogma, since it was the first conceived after the crucifixion of Yehoshuah and remained so until the Reformation. I have no problem with it; why should anyone?
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 06, 2019
White pride is racist? Really?
What the hell is white pride? The Nazis were white - should we be proud of them?
I can only assume that YOU are anti-White race and that YOU hate the existence of the White race
I am neither pro white race, or anti white race. The whole premise is stupid. I am white. So what? There are awesome white people, and horrible white people. So what? I am in favor of seeing every person as equal. What do you think that makes me? I live in a society with structural racism. I am against that. I have no problem with people from other countries - coming to my country. I am from England - and now live in the U.S. Do you have a problem with that? Would you have a problem with that if I was Moslem?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 06, 2019
White pride is racist? Really?
What the hell is white pride? The Nazis were white - should we be proud of them?
I can only assume that YOU are anti-White race and that YOU hate the existence of the White race
I am neither pro white race, or anti white race. The whole premise is stupid. I am white. So what? There are awesome white people, and horrible white people. So what? I am in favor of seeing every person as equal. What do you think that makes me? I live in a society with structural racism. I am against that. I have no problem with people from other countries - coming to my country. I am from England - and now live in the U.S. Do you have a problem with that? Would you have a problem with that if I was Moslem?


I seem to recall that some years ago here in the States, there was a movement called "Black Pride" which was to give impetus for "people of colour to take pride in their race and accomplishments. That was good - yes?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 06, 2019
-contd-
I have no problem with people from other countries either - that is, unless they wish to remove my head due to my not being a Muslim and regarded by them as an "infidel". I also don't like illegal immigrants flowing into my adopted nation without being vetted first by border authorities to make certain that they are not communicable disease carriers, nor MS-13 and other type gang members, drug cartels selling opioids to American children, smugglers, terrorists, rapists, murderers, thieves, and any other bad people no matter what their religion or politics or race.

But just as Black people and Asians have the right to be proud of, and concerned about their own people - I am proud of being White and I'm also concerned that there are those who hate White folks and want to kill us. Some hate Whites due to slavery in the old South - but who have no problem with the fact that real slavery exists in Africa and the Middle East. That is hypocrisy in my estimation.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 06, 2019
-contd-
In the US, all American citizens are EQUAL UNDER THE LAW. In England now, the Law is bending over backwards to accommodate Muslims who consider themselves to be ABOVE THE LAW and have no compunction as to treating Englishmen as inferiours in their own country.
Here in the States, if enough Jihadists arrive, they will do the same once they gain enough power. But that is yet to be - and presently Americans are wearing their rose-coloured glasses while singing Kumbaya and dancing in circles with their fellow snowflakes. lol
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 06, 2019
-contd-
Equality is fine - all things being equal. But somehow, I/we can't say that mentally-ill homeless people who seem to enjoy crapping and pissing on the streets of Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities in Californicate, and accosting parents with their children are equal to greenonions or SEU, no matter what the Law says. Sorry, but that's the red line in the sand for me. YOU might feel differently.
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 06, 2019
I/we can't say that mentally-ill homeless people who seem to enjoy crapping and pissing on the streets of Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities in Californicate, and accosting parents with their children are equal to greenonions or SEU
And there is the issue. I don't think we should allow people to piss and crap on the streets. Any more than we should allow people to commit other crimes. What you clearly can't handle is the basic construct that a person is a person. Does it not say somewhere - that all men (meaning people) are created equal? If one can take that basic position - then one can judge each person individually - based on what they do. You obviously can't grasp something - which seems a part of your religious text. Love thine enemy. Like Trump et al - you think that YOU deserve more than THEY deserve. Also in your text - is a lot about having compassion for those less fortunate than yourself. You just can't bring yourself to read it.
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 06, 2019
Two other points egg. You say "I am proud of being White." I have no idea what that means. I am white. I also have blue eyes. These are genetic traits - that I have no control of. Why would I be 'proud' of something I do not control? I am proud of my garden. I worked hard on it. Clearly the basis of racism - is people saying I am proud of my color - and I see people of a different color as inferior.
Also - the issue of structural racism is important. When one group experiences systematic oppression (such as black people in the U.S. currently) - it is of course understandable that they resent that oppression - and if possible - resist. Black power movements were in response to a horrible racist system. That racist system still exists. https://www.ameri...quality/

Google structural racism in America - and you can read all day long.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 06, 2019
What you clearly can't handle is the basic construct that a person is a person. Does it not say somewhere - that all men (meaning people) are created equal? If one can take that basic position - then one can judge each person individually - based on what they do.
says greenonions

All HUMANS are created "equal" AT BIRTH - providing that they are given the chance to be born and to grow. But that is another issue.
As you say - "judging people individually - according to what they DO" is correct. Judging the deeds/actions/words of humans is essential to the survival/health/wealth of ALL humans. This is one of the basic tenets of the US Constitution (which the Democrats are trying to circumvent/turn over for the sake of illegal immigrants). While it is true that most of those illegals are good people, the sad part is that they are joined by bad people - who have to be weeded out for the sake of ALL American citizens. It has nothing to do with their race or skin color
-cont-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 06, 2019
-contd-
Seeing people of different skin and eye colours/race and noting those differences is also NOT racist. You are made aware of differences by your senses that some people are not the same as you. This is not a "trick of the mind", but a natural awareness/consideration that was a product of the evolution process. Being aware of doesn't mean that a person is a racist - but has only taken stock of reality. Everyone is different from everyone else - and that includes differences even in the White race - where skin colour can range from pale Whiteness to dark brown - such as in India. I am certain that they, too, are proud of their ethnicity/race.
I can only assume, Mr.onions, that you have no problem with all other races being PROUD of their own race - but you find fault with White people having preferences for their own race - because to YOU, being proud of your own is tantamount to endorsing unequal TREATMENT and racism towards non-Whites. Nothing could be further from Truth
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 06, 2019
Also - the issue of structural racism is important. When one group experiences systematic oppression (such as black people in the U.S. currently) - it is of course understandable that they resent that oppression - and if possible - resist.
says greenonions

"Structural" racism in the US is nonexistent. There is only INDIVIDUAL RACISM by individuals who don't comprehend the importance of judging a person by his character (and accomplishments) and not by his race and appearance. Such people miss out on the recognition of individuals who are Black, such as Dr. Ben Carson, Walter Williams, and many other Black men and women whose accomplishments are equal to that of Whites and Asians.
There are Black Americans who have had the history of slavery in the southern States pounded into their memories, so that that knowledge bred resentment, hatred and violence toward Whites (and Asians also). Korean store owners and staff have been regular victims of violence and theft by them.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 06, 2019
Love thine enemy. Like Trump et al - you think that YOU deserve more than THEY deserve. Also in your text - is a lot about having compassion for those less fortunate than yourself. You just can't bring yourself to read it.
says greenonions

"Love thine enemy" is a popular tenet of Christianity. Not so much it seems in Judaism, and none at all in Islam. I have no "enemies" except for Satan/Lucifer aka "the Devil" and its host of demons who inhabit the weak-minded humans, mainly those who are ATHEISTS. Physorg is a popular forum that is practically FILLED with Atheists - which is why Physorg has become a haven for Satan and its worshippers. This is fact that is undeniable.
Trump is a vastly intelligent and caring POTUS. President Trump believes that the US requires compete SECURITY at its BORDERS. Do you comprehend the concept of border security? If not, then would you open the gates of a cage full of raging, hungry LIONS to allow them free access to the people outside?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 06, 2019
And there is the issue. I don't think we should allow people to piss and crap on the streets. Any more than we should allow people to commit other crimes. What you clearly can't handle is the basic construct that a person is a person.
says greenonions

LOL How are you going to STOP them? Do you follow them around the city to watch for them to pull their trousers down around their knees - then suddenly swoop down to arrest them or to put a potty underneath their arse? What YOU clearly can't handle is the fact that these street-poopers believe that it is their CIVIL RIGHT or Human Right to poop wherever they want. They are not concerned with the Rights of others - only theirselves.
So what do you intend to DO about it, Mr.onions - complain to your Congressman? Do complain to the newly elected Communist Alex Ocasio-Cortex. She will most likely call you a racist, homophobic, Nazi, religionist, fascist, etc for complaining about those poor pooping voters who vote Democrat.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 06, 2019
ERRATUM
newly elected Communist Alex Ocasio-Cortex = Ocasio-CORTEZ

LOL She is proving that she is missing a cerebral cortex, as is the newly elected Democrat Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib and her foul description of late of the POTUS as a "mother f*cker.
These are YOUR kind of people, greenonions. They exhibit a Superiority Complex that is only rivaled by Nazi Germany.
RealityCheck
3 / 5 (4) Jan 06, 2019
@S_E_U/all.

History shows unambiguously that tribalism/nationalism, race/culture-pride, always morphs into rabble-rousing 'dog whistle' propaganda 'memes' for those who would create havoc/mayhem for their own personal/political/religious/criminal agendas/gains; usually ending up with their brainwashed dupes/believers/followers doing the fighting/dying for them while they enjoy the spoils of their insanity/criminality. Don't let modern versions of communism/fascism/nazism/capitalism espoused by criminals/exploiters of chaos dupe YOU into fighting/dying for them...while THEY get richer/more powerful over YOU and your future (which if they have their exploitative ways will be again replete with POISONED water/air/food while making YOU pay more for THEIR increasing wealth/control over everything you need).

Re "White Pride". Consider "White" races that keep world hostage to corruption/criminality (Sicilian/Russian Mafias etc; recall Ku Klux Klan and Irish 'Tammany Hall' etc). :(
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 06, 2019
Egg
These are YOUR kind of people, greenonions
Really - are you saying that Donald would never use such language?

https://www.youtu...KHWdyrbI

Do some reading on your friend Donald. He brags in his books about having sex with married women - while he was married. He has been married 3 times - and thinks it is funny to brag about grabbing women by the vagina. He lies incessantly. Is that your kind of person? Check this out Egg.
https://www.youtu...Tv0I8XVw
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 07, 2019
@greenonions
Uhhh - he's a MAN - and straight men are DOGS hunting for vagina. Didn't you know that, Mr.onions? That is human male Nature, which is a driver of natural procreation. Would you rather that Donald Trump be a Pussyman instead - like Da Scheide, Captain Beelzebub, Elton John and SpookyOtto? Pussymen are not normal, Mr.onions - and most women PREFER a man like Trump who will treat them like a Queen, possibly marry the best one, and have children with them before they are discarded on a mutual basis. The children of each wife are loved and have good parenting from Trump.
Rashida Tlaib is not a man - as far as we are aware. So that for her to come out with "mens' locker-room talk" IN PUBLIC only goes to show that she is a brazen sloppy-seconds type of SLUT and those who voted for her are shrill idiots who sent a "pussyhat" to Washington, DC in the hopes of upsetting those in Congress who are capable of being upset over her filthy mouth.
greenonions1
1 / 5 (2) Jan 07, 2019
Good thinking there egg. When men use profanity - it is something to be embraced. When women use profanity - they are sluts.
Interesting - I was raised in a very conservative Christian home. Spent about 20 years trying to 'bring people to Christ.' I am very aware of the core philosophy of Christianity. In a nutshell - love, compassion, humility, austerity etc. I could support that with bible quotes - using Jesus' own words. Read the Beatitudes.
Now - as an atheist, and skeptic - I marvel at the rationalizations we are capable of when trapped in a cult.
So you now promote yourself on the internet as a religious person - at the same time as promoting racism, misogyny, selfishness, etc. And you cannot see it.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Jan 07, 2019
@green
When women use profanity - they are sluts
not in the military! they're drill sergeants! LMFAO
So you now promote yourself on the internet as a religious person - at the same time as promoting racism, misogyny, selfishness, etc. And you cannot see it
a common affliction among the cults as well, mind

in point of fact, he will literally tell you he is not religious and then state
BTW - I am a Brit (exPat), & also a Creationist
he *literally*doesn't understand that creationism is a religious sect of christianity, or that even admission of a creator, non-christian, designates a religious deification of first events, hence it's religious by definition

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EDIT
sorry about the 1-star
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Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 07, 2019
Good thinking there egg. When men use profanity - it is something to be embraced. When women use profanity - they are sluts.
Interesting - I was raised in a very conservative Christian home. Spent about 20 years trying to 'bring people to Christ.' I am very aware of the core philosophy of Christianity. In a nutshell - love, compassion, humility, austerity etc. I could support that with bible quotes - using Jesus' own words. Read the Beatitudes.
Now - as an atheist, and skeptic - I marvel at the rationalizations we are capable of when trapped in a cult.
So you now promote yourself on the internet as a religious person - at the same time as promoting racism, misogyny, selfishness, etc. And you cannot see it.
says greenonions

Good thinking there, onions. When men use profanity - they are being men. When women use such profanity - think of how you might feel if it was your MOTHER calling Trump a mother f*cker. Especially if she said it in front of your friends.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2019
-contd-
@greenonion
Do you see the difference, onions? If you can't see the difference between a man saying profanity in the company of his friends, and your mother, for example, calling Trump a mother f*cker, then your holyroller upbringing didn't have much of an effect on you, did it.
Uhh when did I EVER call myself a "religious" person, onions. I have said that I am a Creationist, but I don't follow any manmade religion. Got that, onions? MANMADE religion.
I've got news for you, onions - many of the most religious women are some of the biggest sluts you can find. Just because a woman wears a Crucifix on her bosom doesn't mean that she is the Virgin Mary. Or maybe YOU believe that all women are holy and all men are evil. That says a lot about your mindset since you became an atheist.
If you wish to consider me a racist, misogynist, selfish, etc in spite of all that I've said, then have at it.
I see that you have become a Pussyman within the atheist cult.
LMAO
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2019
The heat is on

Tiny Marble Bar hottest town 49.3°C
major cities pushing 40°C
where
in the desert of East Anglia
reaches 40°C
firstly
it shows temperature round the world
as the late JD used to say
the temperatures our Quasi Neutral
in Australia
if true historical temperatures
are required to be known
by these Anglo Saxon global warmists
to all these wimpish Anglo Saxons
go into the outback
go Walkabout
as
these Australian natives are built for the sun
they have lived out in this countryside
longer than these wimpish Anglo Saxons
if our pink skin is peeling
if our moles are sun induced cancer
go Walkabout
ask our aboriginal natives
what Australian temperatures
are really like
because
with our little pink bodies
these aboriginals
have evolved for this Australian weather
this Australian heat
so to all these wimpish Anglo Saxons
this is Australia
the heat is on
but
relatively speaking
at 40°C
Not as hot as East Anglia
RealityCheck
3.4 / 5 (5) Jan 08, 2019
@granville583762.

Out of curiosity, how many days in a row is it 40°C in East Anglia? Thanks.
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2019
Egg
If you can't see the difference between a man saying profanity in the company of his friends
But Trump was addressing a convention in Las Vegas - so your whole point is mute. Your hypocrisy is transparent. Outrage when a woman does it - just boys being boys when a man does it!!!
I have said that I am a Creationist
Which makes you religious. A member of a cult of people - who believe in superstition.
maybe YOU believe that all women are holy and all men are evil
Not even close. I do support the idea of being consistent in the application of moral standards - which you and Trump are clearly not.
I see that you have become a Pussyman
You'll have to explain that one. I have no idea what you may mean by 'pussyman.' Also atheism is not a cult. A common charge by the uneducated. Atheists share one central trait - they don't believe in a supreme being. Otherwise - take each of us as an individual. Eg - I disagree very strongly with Dawkins.
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 08, 2019
That is the point, RealityCheck
@granville583762.
Out of curiosity, how many days in a row is it 40°C in East Anglia? Thanks.

The fact these Australian summer temperatures
can be compared to East Anglican summer temperatures
means
these wimpish aussi summers temperatures
are not the true Australian summer temperatures
There made out be
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 08, 2019
RealityCheck, the temperature rose over 25°C in April steadily rising month after month
reaching 38°C all day maxing out a 40°C for weeks cooling down to 30°C at night till it went back to normal in October
Just like Kent used to be
as
in Australia 50°C all day months on end has to be considered normal
as you said this is East Anglia
to even compare Australian temperatures to East Anglia temperatures
is saying
The heat was on in East Anglia
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2019
Egg
If you can't see the difference between a man saying profanity in the company of his friends
But Trump was addressing a convention in Las Vegas - so your whole point is mute. Your hypocrisy is transparent. Outrage when a woman does it - just boys being boys when a man does it!!!
.
says greenonions

I had asked you what you would have thought if it had been your MOTHER who had said "mother f*cker" in front of your friends. I can only assume that you would have been either proud or indifferent of her use of profanity - since you wouldn't bring yourself to condemn such behaviour by your own mum. Neither are you condemning the profanity used by the newly elected Democrat Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib. Perhaps you would have no objection to such profanity, at all, if women and girls resort to such gutter language. You might think that it is permissible, and even expected from female drill sergeants in the military. And therefore, your approval extends to civilians
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
As to your considering that it is only "boys being boys" when men use profanity - perhaps that is how you were raised - to consider that there is nothing wrong with whether men or women use profanity in public. I regard the use of profanity by either men or women, boys or girls, as low-class behaviour that would be unthinkable in polite society. But this modern era seems to have moved far away from its formerly polite roots, and instead has taken up the mantle of the dirty, unkempt, filth-mouthed ragamuffins that are most often found on the "wrong side of the tracks".
Perhaps you and yours have a strong preference for those of low calibre - but of course, you are free to make your choices. All humans are allowed to make their choices. It is the only way to tell.

Since Trump happens to have been elected to the Presidency, he is allowed to use his choice of words - in public - to get his points across where milder words may not suffice.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2019
I have said that I am a Creationist
Which makes you religious. A member of a cult of people - who believe in superstition.
maybe YOU believe that all women are holy and all men are evil
Not even close. I do support the idea of being consistent in the application of moral standards - which you and Trump are clearly not.
I see that you have become a Pussyman
You'll have to explain that one. I have no idea what you may mean by 'pussyman.' Also atheism is not a cult. A common charge by the uneducated. Atheists share one central trait - they don't believe in a supreme being. Otherwise - take each of us as an individual. Eg - I disagree very strongly with Dawkins says green

I am a Creationist. Creationism is definitely NOT a religion - in spite of what lies Captain Beelzebub has been telling you and insisting upon it.
Creationism has nothing to do with manmade religions - those that were conceived by men long after the Creation.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2019
-contd-
@green o
Atheism is a religious cult, whether or not you believe, unbelieve, disbelieve as a group - or individually - you are nevertheless a member of a cult whose main "ideation" is that the Creator God doesn't exist and that the Universe created itself - and also that life arose by itself. This is one of the reasons that physorg and other science websites are so filled with atheists - for the main purpose of confirming their ideation of the nonexistence of the Creator God. Such a confirmation cannot be confirmed ever. But atheists continue to hope anyway that someday they will find that their choices were not in vain. And yes, atheists are free to do that. They are also known for proselytising to those who are believers in the Creator God for, as we all know - misery loves company. LOL
All human machines are required to make their choices while they live - whether good choices or bad - and it matters what is chosen.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
The term "pussyman" is an alternate to SpookyOtto's "pussytard". I wasn't certain where Otto got the "pussy" part, and why - but he says pussytard quite often except to Captain Beelzebub, with whom Otto has been trying to ingratiate himself to join Beelzebub's club. Kiss Kss
Otto was complaining about one Vendicar and decided that I had to be this person amongst others, so I searched the name in physorg and found that a VendicarDecarion aka scott nudds used to comment quite often, while using "tard" to abuse other commenters. Perhaps this Vendicar abused SpookyOtto once too often, and Otto decided to take up the "tard" moniker to abuse others in turn. Otto seems to hate women, so that the term "pussy" and his calling Da Schneibo "Da Scheide" meaning vagina - are perhaps an attribute which Otto chooses to call those he hates.

Why I referred to you as "Pussyman" is in reference to your apparent "pussy-whipped" attitude where you seem to be a Feminazi.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019

https://www.youtu...f8jwEGRo

"Chaos and Reductionism"
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
Before the heat was actually on

When the grass realised the heat was on
RealityCheck, the temperature rose over 25°C in April steadily rising month after month
reaching 38°C all day maxing out a 40°C for weeks cooling down to 30°C at night till it went back to normal in October
Just like Kent used to be
as
in Australia 50°C all day months on end has to be considered normal
as you said this is East Anglia
to even compare Australian temperatures to East Anglia temperatures
is saying
The heat was on in East Anglia

RealityCheck
The grass was cut the end of March
the temperate was a normal 15°C
even so
the grass new something was up
as it was white at ground level
as it never recovered
even with the sprinkling of mist
in this desert of East Anglia
consequently the grass started dying before the temperatures rose
the grass went white
so
Nature
knew
the heat was on
before
The heat was actually on
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
To prove the point RealityCheck

In this East Anglia desert
where the soil
is actually
a mixture of sand
that blows in the fields
across the roads
these parched crops
growing in sand
rock hard with cracked fissures abounding
at this precise moment
the farmers are mowing and hedge cutting
the grass is dry like hay in the field
these country lanes on these blue skied days
look indistinguishable from normal green grassed summer days
East Anglia
these country lanes these green fields
look like summer days
it is January the 9th
it is winter
a nippy 4°C
but
this is East Anglia
Sport of Kings
Inhabited by oil Sheiks
who dote on these four legged creatures
who live in thatched stables
who require green fields
tree lined avenues
exclusive surroundings
forest tracks
these equine creatures
for centuries
by privilege
farmers allow horse their rider free reign
in their fields
and
so
RealityCheck
Winter looks the same as Summer
greenonions1
5 / 5 (1) Jan 09, 2019
Egg
Atheism is a religious cult,
Your representation of atheists is completely false. I do not belong to any group - or have a specific doctrine that I have in common with others. What I have - I arrived at through my own deliberation. I looked at the evidence - and concluded that it did not support the idea that the universe was created by some intelligence. That is it. It does not make me a member of a cult.
Now - why don't you unpack the assertion that you make - that you are a 'creationist' (your word) - but not religious.
On the issue of 'pussyman.' What you have clearly demonstrated above - is that rather than think things through for yourself - you look to others to do your thinking for you. The use of terms like pussy-whipped, Feminazi, and pussyman . - makes it clear that you are a misogynist. The idea that all people are equal - and we should try to avoid hate speech directed at whole groups - clearly is lost on you.
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
A Breath of Fresh Air

And so RealityCheck
is this not
as you read through your musings
liken to
a breath of fresh air

As I
RealityCheck
have
been
advised to get out more
to see the world
get experience
of
the vagaries
of the human soul
the feline nature
of the masculinity of man
the
feline desceiptives of man
the obsession of mans best friends
man himself
his so called friends
debased
to feline desceiptives
this
obsession
that you
RealityCheck, are pursuing with vigour
to the extent
it is becoming infectious
becoming obsessive
as it has become a problem

Even though I
by being advised to get out more
I am obviously
perceived as though living in a Monastery

So even though I live in this perceived Monastery
this perceived Monastery
is not the reclusive perceived Monastery
It is perceived to be
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
Egg
Atheism is a religious cult,
Your representation of atheists is completely false. I do not belong to any group - or have a specific doctrine that I have in common with others. What I have - I arrived at through my own deliberation. I looked at the evidence - and concluded that it did not support the idea that the universe was created by some intelligence. That is it. It does not make me a member of a cult.
Now - why don't you unpack the assertion that you make - that you are a 'creationist' (your word) - but not religious.
On the issue of 'pussyman.' What you have clearly demonstrated above - is that rather than think things through for yourself - you look to others to do your thinking for you. The use of terms like pussy-whipped, Feminazi, and pussyman . - makes it clear that you are a misogynist. The idea that all people are equal - and we should try to avoid hate speech directed at whole groups - clearly is lost on you.
says granville
-contd-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
-contd-
@granville

Until you have taken a poll of all atheists wrt their own reasons for having tossed off the perceived "yoke" of religious doctrine, you should not assume that all other atheists are not in lock-step with your own individual perceptions against religion. They may ALL feel as you do, and possibly for all the same reasons. What is in their minds is hidden from all others, except those who readily admit to being atheist as you have.
Religions, as I have oft said - is a manmade "thought process" that was translated into words and veneration/worship of false gods of old. Religionists have that right.
As a Creationist, I reject manmade religions of false god-worship of which there are many, but I retain the knowledge that the Universe (and all that is in it) was created by only One Deity, which is the reason for the unified physical Laws and the Natural Order of Matter/Energy and the Quantum Universe - without which the Universe that we know could not exist.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 09, 2019
-contd-
@granville
Atheists, unless they aren't interested in Science, are flocking to science websites such as physorg - often to find confirmation and affirmation of their belief in the nonexistence of the One Deity which they have outright rejected. And it IS a belief.
They regard scientific evidences as that confirmation - particularly that of Einsteinian and Newtonian math equations, even though much of those evidences are by simulations and artists' expressions and unseeable objects such as Dark Matter - it is still taken as "gospel truths" and/or "Settled Science". I/we have no problem with their choices, since man is allowed to make choices - whether good or bad.
Creationism, on the other hand rejects the religions that man has made up since those religions/doctrines are dependent on HUMAN values instead of the values of the Creator God. It is human values which had been why ancient humans fashioned false gods in their own likeness and gave them human attributes.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 09, 2019
@granville
HUMANIST is another name for Atheist, by the way. Which is acceptable, IMO.
There are also Heathens. Interesting lot, they are. The old Norse gods - the movies "Thor" are entertaining.

https://taskandpu...-carrier
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
These ancient Norse gods

Well, why not
what is one false prophet compared to another
the Romans had a god for every day of the week
so
their is less harm in worshipping the gods of Norse
in fact probably less harm
fortunately
SEU
I'm on ignore
as he who has returned
can no longer understand a word being said
his words, not ours
as Yorkshire being the wrong side of the Pennines
they speak the wrong kind of Norse
apparently
but as I'm on ignore
he can longer say why
Fortunately
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
Egg
Creationism, on the other hand rejects the religions that man has made up
Man has made up all religions.
often to find confirmation and affirmation of their belief in the nonexistence of the One Deity
It is such a simple construct - but as usual - religious people are incapable of wrapping their mind around it. Religious people BELIEVE in something - generally referred to as god. I do not BELIEVE in something. I have the absence of BELIEF.
Yep - it seems that quite a few atheists hang out on science sites. Surprise!!!! We enjoy knowledge - which is as opposed to BELIEF - and is based on EVIDENCE.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
@greenonions
You are aping me by saying, "Man has made up all religions". You may be absenting your belief by claiming the absence of belief - but you are still believing in that absence of belief by believing that belief is absent. So you have no belief in the Creator God - i have no problem with that, since it IS your choice. We are not allowed to interfere with the beliefs (or supposed absence of belief) of humans. Interference, by us, is not an option.
But WHO are these "religious people" that you speak of? Certainly not ME. I believe that the Creation occurred, which is why you humans are alive and living on this planet - otherwise your molecules wouldn't even have gathered to form the trillions of cells in your body. There would not even be an Earth for you to walk on.
Of course atheists, Satanists, religionists, Heathenists, Creationists, etc are all capable of loving science. Tell me something new.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2019
@granville
WHO has you on ignore? And why?
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2019
SEU > @granville
WHO has you on ignore? And why?

The melodious one
the quasi-neutralist
the one and only
JD, as he no longer can understand
SEU
https://phys.org/...ark.html
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 10, 2019
@granville
The link was very interesting - particularly all of the comments that came after mine.

In your link, JD said to/of Benni, "Lol. $5000.00 as a janitor. That is six figures."
JD meant it as sarcasm, to imply that Benni was only earning $5000.00 as a janitor - which is a "put-down" by a common person against someone (Benni) who is JD's superiour in intelligence and experience.
Prior to that, Benni had said to JD: "........but it's the reason I make a 6 figure salary as an engineer while all you do is dance for pennies, or less, all the while begging for someone to watch your routine for some kind of claim to fame in life.

It seems that jonesy was reacting to Benni's claim to be earning a 6-figure salary - which prompted jonesy to take the low-road and turn Benni's true salary into a 4-figure - which then made jonesy (JD) give himself a pat on the arse for "comedian of the year" status.
It is possible that JD has all of us on Ignore - but who cares?
:)
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2019
He's building a comprehensive ignore list

SEU, it is possible that JD has all of us on Ignore - but who cares?
It transfers the heat while we're on ignore, he has to pretend he can't hear anyone
he simply responds, he's more subdued of late
suggesting he's building a comprehensive ignore list
all he needs is instruction in commenting to himself when his list is complete
which isn't possible with a comprehensive ignore list
as he disappears down his rabbit hole
never to be seen again
does it not bring a sad tear to your eye, SEU

In memoriam of JD
JDs epitaph
At the end
The very end
JD, Had every one ignore
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2019
@granville
I must apologise to you for my making an error in thinking that it was you who had labeled ME a misogynist. That labeler was greenonions. Please accept my apology. :)
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2019
@greenonions
I was mistaken in attributing YOUR comments wrt YOUR atheism and YOUR calling me a "misogynist" (for referring to Da Schneibo as Da Pussyman) as though it had originated with granville.
So here, for your further entertainment is a piece that I'm certain you will find interesting and enlightening.

https://www.wral....8110722/
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2019
@granville
I must apologise to you for my making an error in thinking that it was you who had labeled ME a misogynist. That labeler was greenonions. Please accept my apology. :)

That puzzled me somewhat but that's alright, SEU
I thought there was a mix up some where
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2019
The heat is always on in N.C

Interesting, SEU
It's a small world
Raleigh, North Carolina
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 10, 2019
@greenonions
Were the 2 women in the article misogynists for sexually assaulting a transgender in the ladies' restroom who is a man who believes himself to be a woman and is referred to as a "she" in the article to comply with political correctness? Can 2 natural females be construed/labeled as misogynists when they see that an obvious man dressed as a woman has entered a restroom where only ladies/girls are allowed to enter and may have entered into the restroom only to watch the women go weewee?
If little girls had gone into that ladies' restroom and found an obvious male dressed as a woman present in there, would/should the little girls be regarded as misogynists if they objected to the presence of a transgendered man because he scared them?
On the other hand, natural. normal men would have no problem at all if a transgender woman who thought that she is a man enters into a mens' restroom if she is sporting a Scheide. Don't you find that interesting in these modern times?
granville583762
5 / 5 (2) Jan 10, 2019
This male has to learn FEMINITY

SEU, regarding this problem if the women recognised the presence of a male, men also would recognise the presence of a male
The important point this person has to consider is the little girls
to little girls its there toilet, its a girls toilet as boys have their own toilet as to little girls - girls do not go in boys toilets
so this what this person has to consider
if this person in this body feel as a girl
then as he has to copy all the nuances of girls
he has to dress as a girl
he has to ooze FEMINITY
A mistake men make is wearing pointy high heeled shoes and tight skirts
this male has to groom
he has to shave
he has to have smooth slightly plump legs as this is what make women different
there muscles are not visible
then SEU, when this male dress's and preen himself and shops for girly clothes and talks like a girl
Then he will be unrecognisable in the little girl's rest room!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 10, 2019
The heat is always on in N.C

Interesting, SEU
It's a small world
Raleigh, North Carolina
says granville

Yes, the East coast corridor of the US, is quite hot in Summer, but it is especially hot South of Richmond, Virginia going toward the State of Florida. Above Richmond it is much more populated with big cities - so that the heat index is almost unbearable there also in Summer. But it is offset by very cold weather/temps in Winter, whereas the South has only a few really cold temps that don't last very long. And the fishing is great all along the Coast. Going inland towards the forest lands and mountains, it gets cooler, of course and the hunting is good if you like to hunt wild animals (I/we don't).
I particularly am partial to the Great Smoky Mountains of the State of Tennessee and a portion of the Appalachian Trail. My American friends are all proficient in hunting and fishing, so they invite me to enjoy these various States and sights.
greenonions1
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 10, 2019
Egg -
but you are still believing in that absence of belief by believing that belief is absent
You are an idiot. I don't believe in big foot - as there is no evidence that big foot exists. I am not still believing in that absence of belief. There is just an absence of belief. It is so simple.
I believe that the Creation occurred, which is why you humans are alive
So you are not human? What am I talking to?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 10, 2019
-contd-
However, in the southeast US, there is much more humidity even though the Summers are hot and the perspiration index is quite high for many who can't duck into an air-conditioned building or vehicle. The southwest US, OTOH, it is a DRY heat that seems to offer a lot less humidity West of New Orleans in the State of Louisiana and the Mississippi River. The southwest is where cactus (cacti) grow plentiful and extract water vapour from the air since groundwater is often scarce. Plants are smart and cactus thorns prevent animals from taking their water.
I can well understand why President Trump LOVES his country.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 10, 2019
Egg -
but you are still believing in that absence of belief by believing that belief is absent
You are an idiot. I don't believe in big foot - as there is no evidence that big foot exists. I am not still believing in that absence of belief. There is just an absence of belief. It is so simple.
I believe that the Creation occurred, which is why you humans are alive
So you are not human? What am I talking to?
says greenonions

Name calling is silly since your name calling/attempt at insults makes YOU the idiot - especially when YOU objected to my calling Da Schneibo the well-deserved "Da Pussyman".
Could you present the evidence that the "BigFoot" creature does NOT exist? Many have seen the creature, who appears to be shy and unassuming - disappearing into the woods quickly.
Just because I have never seen it either - who am I to say that others haven't seen it? Do those sightings matter to ME? Of course not. I still exist here - stuck on this planet
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 10, 2019
@greenonions
The "absence of belief", whether you believe it or not, indicates the preclusion of even the mere THOUGHT of that belief which you profess to be absent, and yet you also profess to be an atheist - where being an atheist means that you had thought of that belief and, as an atheist, you CONTINUE to think of that belief - even though you declare that the belief is absent. If you truly believe yourself to be an atheist, then it would behove you to wipe even the mere thought of that belief from your memory/mind and no longer think of your former religiosity and former beliefs and religious activities. As an atheist, it is imperative for you to remove even that which you had decided to be inconclusive and unprovable and for which you could find no evidence. IOW, you must wipe your mind/memory clean of your former self in which you did believe, and only consider that you are now without a past - as memories of that past will return to haunt you.
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 11, 2019
Egg
I believe that the Creation occurred, which is why you humans are alive
This sentence obviously implies that you are not human. Please answer my question. What are you?
even though you declare that the belief is absent
That is correct. I do not believe in big foot. I am not interested in who says they have seen big foot. Personal accounts are not evidence. I do not believe in big foot - as there is no evidence to support believing in big foot. Stop trying to be all sophisticated - and tie things up with bull shit. It makes you look stupid - and the reason I call you an idiot. Not believing in big foot - does not make me a cult member. It is not that hard to understand this point.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 11, 2019
@greenonions
Sophistication is not a trait that I have personally exuded in this or any other science website. This is my/our personality and, as I have no problem with YOURS, I would expect you to have none with mine.
I/we don't indulge in sophistry or sophisticated behaviour, as I/we are rewarded more for our honesty, growth of intelligence and bravery, Truth be told.
As you are already aware, I am but a mere scholar and interested observer in this and other science websites.
Whether or not you believe in BigFoot or LittleFoot is strictly YOUR concern. I/we have no qualms as to whether or not humans are seeing such "creatures" (who may or may not be from Earth, originally). There are so many great and mysterious situations to ponder and discover - which is why there are scientists/researchers to find these things out.
As to "personal accounts", it is real to the one whose account it is - barring any form of obvious mental illness or brain anomaly.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 11, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions
As for being human or not being human - that is for US to know. I/We were created - which is sufficient for us in our understanding. Do you look at your human body and ask each of your trillions of cells "Who/what are you"? Well, perhaps you do, but such knowledge about you is hidden from us.
In any case, "There are more things in heaven and earth, greenonions, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 11, 2019
Egg
As you are already aware, I am but a mere scholar and interested observer
A mere scholar! An interested observer! Wow - such sophistry. And yet you cannot understand a concept as simple as - what is sauce for the goose... When a woman uses profanity - you call her a slut - but for trump - it is just locker room banter. I am engaged in silly name calling - but you see no hypocrisy in saying things like this.
I see that you have become a Pussyman


I thought other observers from far off dimensions - were not supposed to interfere!!!!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 12, 2019
@greenonions
What far off dimensions? Where are these dimensions; have you seen them, been there? Who interfered?
Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but I have said from the very beginning, and on many occasions and forums that I am a mere scholar and interested observer.
You never retorted concerning how you would feel if your own Mother had said the word "mother f*cker in front of your friends. I see that you decided to dodge that, while thinking nothing wrong when a newly elected Democrat Congresswoman said it. But you think it wrong when President Trump said it. Which seems to indicate that you are one of those who think that University/college courses on "toxic masculinity" is perfectly fine and needs to be explored by young Americans. And you also seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the female use of the words, "mother f*cker" since men have been saying it. It appears that that is the general consensus in America today - since the 1980s. Equality, eh?
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 12, 2019
Egg
I believe that the Creation occurred, which is why you humans are alive
Using the term 'you humans' clearly asserts that you are not human. Then what are you. Please answer.
If my mother use the term MF - I would be very pleasantly surprised. It is just a word (or 2) and does not offend me. What does offend me is double standards. Using that term in front of an audience at a conference - https://www.youtu...Q7WwDPAU and then being outraged when a woman dares to use the term - is a double standard. Supporting that double standard makes you complicit. CONSISTENT application of moral standards is critical to having any credibility. You have none.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 12, 2019
Then what are you.
says greenonions

Why do you ask? You wouldn't believe me anyway and would insist on evidence. I am far older than you could ever imagine.
You would be "Pleasantly surprised" if your own mother said such a filthy vulgarity as newly-elected Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib and Trump has used in public. PLEASANTLY surprised?
They didn't say "MF" - they said "mother f*cker" without the asterisk.
I/we were shocked Unpleasantly when both Trump and the woman said it in public without the benefit of a locker room - but in Trump's use of it, the term, while vulgar and unacceptable for the sake of 'good taste' was much less injudicious than for a female to say it.
So it is "just a word" to you with, I assume, no connotations of sexuality? Then what if ALL the women in the US began using that term in public - at the market, library, teachers in a classroom full of children, hospitals, restaurants, anywhere in public, etc. - would you still be PLEASANTLY surprised?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 12, 2019
-contd-
@greenonions

You have, indeed, become a Pussyman. And you have, indeed, been Pussy-whipped into believing that women/girls should now have the same exact STANDARDS of public comportment/behaviour as do American men who choose to use such a filthy, vulgar term so injudiciously and without consideration of how they appear to others.
It is apparent that the newly-elected female Democrat Congressman was not concerned about how others thought of her in her irrational abandonment of what was once described as "the fair sex".
I suppose that other Democrat Party female politicians, students, and entertainers, etc will now abandon what once set them apart from the vulgarities and ofttimes uninhibited bad behaviour/comportment of those men who are now also "pleasantly surprised".
I can now assume that YOU consider it THEIR CHOICE if women choose to spout profanities and vulgarities in public, and that it is their right, privilege and their new standard of anti-double standard
greenonions1
3 / 5 (2) Jan 12, 2019
was much less injudicious than for a female to say it
And there's your double standard. I know exactly what was said - I posted a video of Trump saying it. It is just a word - and as such does not offend me.
I can now assume that YOU consider it THEIR CHOICE if women choose to spout profanities and vulgarities in public
Your assumption is correct - just as I think it is anyone's choice.
as do American men
Well that is exactly what Trump did - and you are supportive. Hypocrite much.
Why do you ask?
Trying to understand stuff.
...and would insist on evidence
Wow - you busted me. I don't believe things cuz you told me - I actually want evidence. How consistent of me...
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 12, 2019
@greenonions
Cutting up my post to try to make it to your advantage is dishonest.

Part of it was:
...but in Trump's use of it, the term, while vulgar and unacceptable for the sake of 'good taste' was much less injudicious than for a female to say it.

which is correct, mainly because when a man says "mother f*cker", it is laughed at as a joke. And it WAS taken as a joke by the humans in your link who laughed at what Trump said. But when a woman or girl says it, it is not normally laughed at unless she is amongst other females - and even then, most women and girls would think/wonder why she said it and why she couldn't have chosen something less vulgar.
Men are not viewed as "sluts" or "pigs" even when they use vulgarities, since they are the pursuer of women- not often the pursued. This is the tradition since time immemorial, but is only recently being overthrown for political incorrectness.
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 12, 2019
Egg
but is only recently being overthrown for political incorrectness
No - it is being overthrown - cuz we are making progress - which is what we want to see - ie. consistency in the application of moral standards. Republicans are currently terrified of AOC - cuz she threatens their world order. They attack her for dancing in a video while in college - and the world smiles - as your archaic morality goes up in smoke.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 13, 2019
https://www.youtu...Qpge1W5s
One of my favorite academics - Jordan Peterson

Your "consistency" in the application of...morality is nothing new. MOST women (natural female) have understood that their freedoms include the choice to be either a vulgar slut and be known and understood to be just that - or to have the free choice to exhibit behaviours/actions/speech that presents theirselves as genteel honorable ladies for whom men will hold doors open, rather than let the door slam on them.
Republicans are not attacking Cortez for dancing in a video. They are attacking the other slut for talking like a slut after being sworn in as a US Congressman. I don't think that the incident will soon be forgotten. When a female uses vulgarities like a drunken sailor on shore leave in an Asian country, it is unforgettable.

it is being overthrown - cuz we are making progress - which is what we want to see


WE? Perhaps you are a female, not male as we had thought.
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 13, 2019
presents theirselves as genteel honorable ladies for whom men will hold doors open, rather than let the door slam on them
Yes egg - that's the old world that you cherish - and I reject. Conservatives are clearly afraid. Their patriarchy is crumbling. For me - progress is a world in which each person is an individual - and is free to define themselves as they choose - and the society provides a space for each of us to do just that. Not a pre-prescribed world - in which men have to behave one way - and women another. So Peterson (I am aware of his rubbish) is playing to the fears of the dominant patriarchy - who are seeing this challenge to their power. So AOC scares the shit out of your double standard - lazy thinkers - cuz she represents a world in which it is OK for a young, Hispanic, woman - to not conform to your rules. My gender should be irrelevant - I hope for progress - a world in which we are all free to choose our own identity.
rrwillsj
3 / 5 (2) Jan 13, 2019
misogynist cowards such as seu would slam the door on a woman & laughing as she went sprawling.
Doesn't have the balls to do it to a man.
Who would jump ip & kick his fat ass into next week.

seu & the other "genteel" fake-conservatives deny human dignity.
As long as they are bigger, they are entitled to abuse those they perceive as weaker.

"How do you think we got to be Earls"
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 13, 2019
greenonions says:
My gender should be irrelevant
- meaning that you're female but afraid to admit it.

that's the old world that you cherish - and I reject
- reject all you want, girlie, men will still treat decent women as genteel ladies should be treated

For me - progress is a world in which each person is an individual - and is free to define themselves as they choose
- individualism has already been happening for decades - define themselves as they choose - so which of the proclaimed 37 gender types have you defined yourself?

Conservatives are clearly afraid. Their patriarchy is crumbling.
- that is hardly the case - you still need us to be the fathers of your children

So AOC scares the shit out of your double standard - lazy thinkers - cuz she represents a world in which it is OK for a young, Hispanic, woman...
- uhhh whoever said that it isn't OK for a Hispanic woman to do what she wants? Hispanic men?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 13, 2019
misogynist cowards such as seu would slam the door on a woman & laughing as she went sprawling.
- How do you know this? Got pictures? Police reports? Anything?
Doesn't have the balls to do it to a man.
- only with enough provocation or accidentally.
Who would jump ip & kick his fat ass into next week.
- I'm not fat - which means that you don't have pictures.
seu & the other "genteel" fake-conservatives deny human dignity.
As long as they are bigger, they are entitled to abuse those they perceive as weaker.

- You must have been bullied very often by bigger, older kids. Why didn't you just whack them with your umbrella or handbag? Were you the high school lunch lady?

"How do you think we got to be Earls"
says rrwilliejoe

- Uhhh Your father was an Earl; your grandfather was an Earl; all of your male ancestors were named Earl?

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 13, 2019
@williejoe

Really. Isn't it time for you to make an appointment for your colonoscopy - to see what's on your mind?
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 13, 2019
meaning that you're female but afraid to admit it
Actually i'm a guy - but as I say - my gender should be irrelevant to someone who is just an observer.
you still need us to be the fathers of your children
Fathering children has nothing to do with the issue of wanting to see a society in which we are all just free to be - without pigs wanting to dictate other peoples choices.
men will still treat decent women as genteel ladies should be treated
And you are the judge of decent - correct? If you look at a chart of how many women are in congress - you will see that 100 years ago there was 1. The number has increased steadily and today there are 127 (mostly Democrats). Even a couple who are Muslim - and more and more minorities. The Republicans are shitting their pants - and going after AOC - as evidence of their fear. Keep howling at the moon egg - the arc of history is against you.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 13, 2019
And you are the judge of decent - correct?
- Each individual makes a judgment each minute of the day.
If you look at a chart of how many women are in congress - you will see that 100 years ago there was 1.
- So the voters voted for 1. So what?
The number has increased steadily and today there are 127 (mostly Democrats).
- There are good Dems and there are bad Democrats - mostly bad Democrats - the Party of slavery.
Even a couple who are Muslim - and more and more minorities.
- So now you are championing the Muslim religion? I thought you were against religion.
The Republicans are shitting their pants - and going after AOC - as evidence of their fear.
- Exactly HOW do you know what the Republicans are doing? And why do you imagine that they "fear" anything? Why? Because Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is trying to push out Nancy Pelosi due to her age? LOL
Keep howling at the moon egg - the arc of history is against you.
- That's Your Opinion
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 13, 2019
Actually i'm a guy - but as I say - my gender should be irrelevant to someone who is just an observer.


Caitlyn Jenner - I presume,
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 14, 2019
So the voters voted for 1. So what?
Probably above your comprehension level - as a resident of another galaxy - but it is clear indication of a changing cultural landscape. 200 years ago - racists and misogynists like yourself thought that slavery was OK - and women/blacks should not vote. Over time - we progress. Still never had a woman president - which of course tells us there is a long way to go. Women/minorities still very under represented - but the trajectory is encouraging.
HOW do you know what the Republicans are doing?
Cuz I can read. You guys are so scared - you have to keep making shit up - and then retracting it.
That's Your Opinion
Sure - but it pretty easily defended with the information I have given about changes within the culture. You racists/misogynists are howling at the moon - but the tide continues to turn against you. Of course you will resist - but so did those who opposed the women's vote.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 14, 2019
greenonions says:
Probably above your comprehension level - as a resident of another galaxy - but it is clear indication of a changing cultural landscape.
- uhhh which galaxy is that? I don't remember since it was so long ago. /A Change in cultural landscape may be good or bad, as there are always consequences which often may not be very good.
200 years ago - racists and misogynists like yourself thought that slavery was OK - and women/blacks should not vote.
- Yes, the Democrat Party wanted to continue slavery in the southern States of the US so that they could get rich from the work of Black field hands/slaves. The clothing industry in the Northeast demanded a continuous supply of cotton from southern cotton growers. /Women showed no interest in voting until the 20th century and most were content to be good wives and mothers - giving their husbands the burden of supporting them.
Over time - we progress.
- Progress is our most important product.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 14, 2019
-contd-
greenonions says:
Still never had a woman president - which of course tells us there is a long way to go.
- But wait a minute. I thought that you were unconcerned about an individual's gender.
YOU had said earlier, "My gender should be irrelevant",
and yet now you seem unhappy that a woman still hasn't been elected President. Do you consider what is between her legs so much more important than her qualifications, such as a good sense of morality and honesty to be President? If so, then YOU are the misogynist who thinks that a vagina makes a woman more qualified than a man.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 14, 2019
-contd-
greenoinions says:
Women/minorities still very under represented - but the trajectory is encouraging.
- Would you consider a 50/50 percentage, or would you prefer 60/40 in favour of women and Blacks; or how about 75/25 of women/Blacks over men/Whites? Why do you worry so much about skin colour/race or who has a vagina and who doesn't - in political office? It seems that YOU are not so concerned about the individual's qualifications - but only on SUPERFLUOUS things such as gender/race.
Sure - but it pretty easily defended with the information I have given about changes within the culture.
- Changes in culture occur most often with migration of populations to different localities. People often prefer to live with or near their own kind. That's demographics.
You racists/misogynists are howling at the moon - but the tide continues to turn against you.

- Go look in the mirror. You will find the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 14, 2019
-contd-
says greenonions
Of course you will resist - but so did those who opposed the women's vote.
- There were none (or very few) opposed to women's suffrage, as far as I know. In the late 1800s and early 1900s (over a hundred years ago) women were gaining supporters in many countries to be allowed to vote. In 1911 England, women gained the right to vote; 1913 for the US. But in Australia, it was not until 1962 that aborigine woman were given the right to vote and be elected to office. So WHO is "resisting", and why are you so confident that they will resist?
I think that you are just an unhappy turtle who can't live your life without finding fault with most of the human population - particularly men - and most particularly Straight White Men. Perhaps you are intending to take a college course in "Toxic Masculinity", which now seems to be a popular course of interest with Millennial Snowflakes in the US.
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 14, 2019
I thought that you were unconcerned about an individual's gender
I said that MY gender is not relevant to this discussion. Of course gender issues are relevant to the wider discussion of structural bias - regarding gender - duh! When you have a country that is approx 50/50 male female, but has never had a female president - that is called structural bias. Man you are dumb.
I think that you are just an unhappy turtle
Perhaps. This unhappy turtle lives in a fucked up - broken world. Things seem to be changing for the better. We abolished slavery - and extended the vote right? Just poking around to see what part I want to play in the unfolding drama. Calling out racists and misogynists seems a good use of time.
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 14, 2019
Egg
There were none (or very few) opposed to women's suffrage, as far as I know
Really? Do you have any support for that assertion? I never actually said there was much opposition to the suffrage movement - just that the extension of suffrage to women was an example of progress. A quick google search indicates to me that there was significant opposition to women's suffrage - which would fit my understanding of the male privilege of the time.
the growing threat of suffragist success stirred some powerful men and some outstanding women into action.
https://www.bl.uk...movement
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 15, 2019
Do you believe that Suffrage should be granted to illegal immigrants who are crossing the southern border into the US and finding their way to "sanctuary cities" in places like Los Angeles?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 15, 2019
I thought... unconcerned about an individual's gender
I said that MY gender is not relevant to this discussion. Of course gender issues are relevant to the wider discussion of structural bias - regarding gender - duh! When you have a country that is approx 50/50 male female, but has never had a female president - that is called structural bias. Man you are dumb.
I think...unhappy turtle
Perhaps. This unhappy turtle lives in a fucked up - broken world. Things seem to be changing for the better. We abolished slavery - and extended the vote right? Ju see what part I want to play in the unfolding drama. Calling out racists and misogynists seems a good use of time.
says greenonions

"Structural bias" seems to be your perception of society as a whole and in a specific way, without looking at individual preferences and circumstances as a human trait that should be considered if some or all are to be treated fairly and without your own bias.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 15, 2019
-contd-
It is very easy to see ourselves as the "dragonslayer" who will right all the wrongs that we perceive as all that is wrong with society as a whole. But it is impossible to know and even understand the subtle nuances within the human mind by another human's (you) perceiving what he THINKS he knows/understands about the other person(s). Particularly when you are either a stranger to those in society, or only mildly aware of their thoughts and ideas from reading about them.
They have THEIR preferences and you have yours. Any attempt by you to force them to YOUR thinking may be misconstrued as a form of tyranny. An attempt to take away their rights.
Since YOU have got it into your mind that your fondest wish (seemingly) is to see a female President to avert the continuing of a structural bias by those who choose to vote differently from YOU, it is best to try to understand the nature of that "bias" and why it has taken hold of the mindset of those whom you would change.
greenonions1
not rated yet Jan 15, 2019
Do you believe that Suffrage should be granted to illegal immigrants...
Nope - suffrage should be for American citizens.
Structural bias" seems to be your perception of society
It is just a fact. Nothing to do with my perception. My goal is not to have a woman president. My hope is to live in a society that is fair, and compassionate. In that society - it will be natural that some presidents are male, and some female. The power seats of the society - will basically be representative of the members of the society. In other words - white/male/ privilege will be outgrown.
it is best to try to understand the nature of that "bias"
Rubbish. Slavery was wrong. Women being denied the vote was wrong. A just society is a just society.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 15, 2019
A "just society is a just society". But there is INJUSTICE as well as justice in EVERY society. The Laws of the US Constitution, as well as the Laws in the UK and some other nations are geared toward providing justice for all in the society. But those Laws don't and cannot account for individuals who have the rights to their own views and prejudices - just as long as those individuals are law-abiding - it doesn't matter what is on their mind.
Case in point: Millions of American citizens (legal) voted for Trump and millions of others (including illegals) voted for Hillary. Trump was elected President and the snowflakes and the MSM who absolutely HATE Trump became so incensed with their hatred that they told lies about him, his family, his administration, and Congressional Republicans - and they are all STILL telling lies to incite the public even though Trump has accomplished good things for America. But the MSM and snowflakes don't like his accomplishments anyway even though
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Jan 15, 2019
-contd-
even though it's also to THEIR benefit. What could cause this aberration? Were they so indoctrinated by the previous Socialist president who did nothing for the US, except for apologizing for America's greatness and accomplishments, that they would prefer the downfall and destruction of the greatest country and system in world history, and that they are so unaware of how lucky they are to have been born in the USA that they much prefer a woman (Clinton) as President who has committed Treason by sending/receiving Classified documents - then destroying the evidence of what she did?
IS THAT THE KIND OF WOMAN YOU WANTED FOR PRESIDENT?

But of course - that is your idea of "a just society is a just society".
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 16, 2019
But of course - that is your idea of "a just society is a just society"
Wow - what a load of rubbish. My idea of a just society - is one in which all people are treated equally. No - we do not currently have a just society. But the arc of history seems to be bending towards a more just society. We don't have slavery - do we? More women and minorities in the halls of power than ever in the past. Yes - a long way to go.
Your president is a proven liar. You are a liar. Obama was not a socialist. You become a gibbering idiot when you tell lies in public. You and Willie have no integrity, or cred.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 16, 2019
But of course - that is your idea of "a just society is a just society"
Wow - what a load of rubbish. My idea of a just society - is one in which all people are treated equally. No - we do not currently have a just society. But the arc of history seems to be bending towards a more just society. We don't have slavery - do we? More women and minorities in the halls of power than ever in the past. Yes - a long way to go.
Your president is a proven liar. You are a liar. Obama was not a socialist. You become a gibbering idiot when you tell lies in public. You and Willie have no integrity, or cred.

says the Pussy-whipped Pussyman

Perhaps you were not aware or you ignored it, for some strange reason - but All American citizens ARE treated equally UNDER THE LAW. There are agencies to remediate any instances of unequal treatment according to gender, race, colour, religion, age, country of origin, etc.
There isn't a more "just society" on Earth than is the USA.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Jan 16, 2019
-contd-
Your definition of a "just society" seems to be that in which ALL men are pussified by women so that women will FEEL more comfortable and safe while wielding power over the male of the genus/specie, all because women are capable of crying, sobbing while they accuse innocent men unjustly of rape and abuse, such as what happened to Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh several months ago. Where was the "justice" in that false accusation?
I believe that YOUR idea of a "just society" is to make men cower and no longer BE men so that women will feel more powerful and dominant. Perhaps that is what YOU were taught to believe by your militant Socialist high school teachers or college professors, of which there are many.
YOUR unmanliness is not the wave of the future in America, although you would like to SEE ALL MEN become unmanly to make yourself FEEL better in your unmanliness.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (1) Jan 16, 2019
I would advise ALL men who believe as YOU do, to tell women who are looking for YOUR kind of justice TO TAKE THE TRASH OUT TO THE CURB THEIRSELVES if they want REAL equality.
greenonions1
1 / 5 (1) Jan 16, 2019
All American citizens ARE treated equally UNDER THE LAW
Pretty uninformed statement there egg - https://www.vera....e-system

YOUR unmanliness is not the wave of the future in America
Perhaps. I feel pretty comfortable that the world is changing - and 'manliness' is not as compulsory for a male to feel comfortable in his skin as it use to be. Like I say - look at the changing landscape of women gaining more and more seats in Congress (this is just one example). The MeToo movement is encouraging to me. We will have to wait and see. I would be happier in a world where I felt the pressure to be 'manly' was less, and the pressure to be authentic (by your own definition) was greater. No I don't want men to 'cower.' I don't want any one to cower. Just to be free to be authentic - and happy.

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