Scientists: Wind, drought worsen fires, not bad management

Scientists: Wind, drought worsen fires, not bad management
Flames climb trees as the Camp Fire tears through Paradise, Calif., on Thursday, Nov. 8, 2018. (AP Photo/Noah Berger, File)

Both nature and humans share blame for California's devastating wildfires, but forest management did not play a major role, despite President Donald Trump's claims, fire scientists say.

Nature provides the dangerous winds that have whipped the fires, and human-caused climate change over the long haul is killing and drying the shrubs and trees that provide the fuel, experts say.

"Natural factors and human-caused global warming effects fatally collude" in these fires, said wildfire expert Kristen Thornicke of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany.

Multiple reasons explain the fires' severity, but "forest management wasn't one of them," University of Utah fire scientist Philip Dennison said.

Trump tweeted on Saturday: "There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests."

The death toll from the wildfire that incinerated the Northern California town of Paradise and surrounding areas climbed to 42, making it the single deadliest single blaze in California history. Statewide, the number of fire dead stood at 44, including two victims in Southern California.

One reason that scientists know that management isn't to blame is that some areas now burning had fires in 2005 and 2008, so they aren't "fuel-choked closed-canopy forests," Dennison said.

In those earlier fires, Paradise was threatened but escaped major damage, he said. In the current blazes, it was virtually destroyed.

The other major fire, in Southern California, burned through shrub land, not forest, Dennison said.

"It's not about forest management. These aren't forests," he said.

Scientists: Wind, drought worsen fires, not bad management
Flames consume a Kentucky Fried Chicken as the Camp Fire tears through Paradise, Calif., on Thursday, Nov. 8, 2018. (AP Photo/Noah Berger, File)

The dean of the University of Michigan's environmental school, Jonathan Overpeck, said Western fires are getting bigger and more severe. He said it "is much less due to bad management and is instead the result of our baking of our forests, woodlands and grasslands with ever-worsening climate change."

Wildfires have become more devastating because of the extreme weather swings from global warming, fire scientists said. The average number of U.S. acres burned by wildfires has doubled over the level from 30 years ago.

As of Monday, more than 13,200 square miles (34,200 square kilometers) have burned. That's more than a third higher than the 10-year average.

From 1983 to 1999, the United States didn't reach 10,000 square miles burned annually. Since then, 11 of 19 years have had more than 10,000 square miles burned, including this year. In 2006, 2015 and 2017, more than 15,000 square miles burned.

The two fires now burning "aren't that far out of line with the fires we've seen in these areas in recent decades," Dennison said.

"The biggest factor was wind," Dennison said in an email. "With wind speeds as high as they were, there was nothing firefighters could do to stop the advance of the fires."

These winds, called Santa Ana winds, and the unique geography of high mountains and deep valleys act like chimneys, fortifying the fires, Thornicke said.

The wind is so strong that fire breaks—areas where trees and brush have been cleared or intentionally burned to deprive the advancing flames of fuel—won't work. One of the fires jumped over eight lanes of freeway, about 140 feet (43 meters), Dennison said.

Southern California had fires similar to the Woolsey fire in 1982, when winds were 60 mph, but "the difference between 1982 and today is a much higher population in these areas. Many more people were threatened and had to evacuated," Dennison said.

California also has been in drought for all but a few years of the 21st century and is now experiencing its longest drought, which began on Dec. 27, 2011, and has lasted 358 weeks, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor . Nearly two-thirds of the state is abnormally dry.

Scientists: Wind, drought worsen fires, not bad management
A vehicle drives through smoke from a wildfire near Pulga, Calif., Sunday, Nov. 11, 2018. (AP Photo/Noah Berger, File)

The first nine months of the year have been fourth-warmest on record for California, and this past summer was the second-hottest on record in the state.

Because of that, there are 129 million dead trees, which provide fuel for fires, Thornicke said.

And it's more than trees. Dead shrubs around the bottom of trees provide what is called "ladder fuel," offering a path for fire to climb from the ground to the treetops and intensifying the conflagration by a factor of 10 to 100, said Kevin Ryan, a fire consultant and former fire scientist at the U.S. Forest Service.

While many conservatives advocate cutting down more trees to prevent fires, no one makes money by cutting dead shrubs, and that's a problem, he said.

Local and state officials have cleared some Southern California shrub, enough for normal weather and winds. But that's not enough for this type of extreme drought, said Ryan, also a former firefighter.

University of Alberta fire scientist Mike Flanigan earlier this year told The Associated Press that the hotter and drier the weather, the easier it is for fires to start, spread and burn more intensely.

It's simple, he said: "The warmer it is, the more fire we see."

For every 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit that the air warms, it needs 15 percent more rain to make up for the drying of the fuel, Flannigan said.

Federal fire and weather data show the years with the most acres burned were generally a degree warmer than average.

"Everyone who has gardened knows that you must water more on hotter days," Overpeck said. "But, thanks in part to climate change, California isn't getting enough snow and rain to compensate for the unrelenting warming caused by climate change. The result is a worsening wildfire problem.


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Nov 12, 2018
it is a waste of time to answer to a sociopath like the very stable genius..... he is an imbecile. I am surprised there are no more answers to his retarded claims. Like, he does not exercise, he is a fat pig because he claims that humans are born with a finite amount of energy.... yet he has a recent painting of himself in which he has the body of Mr. Obama lol...

or like a bunch of malnourished mothers and children in sandals is invading the USA.....

he is well proven to be irrational, to be willing to ignore what is relevant.....

he like to destroy, to bring sadness, to increase cruelty, he likes war, poverty, prostitution, porn, all the things that destroy the human spirit.

He is bag of meat and bones, no soul.

Nov 12, 2018
""Multiple reasons explain the fires' severity, but "forest management wasn't one of them"

-Let's do a cross-post that is not soaked in political dribble like the above uh dribble

"Prefire Management
As an integral part of the CA Fire Plan,
pre-fire management focuses on taking action
before fires occur. Projects are designed and
implemented to reduce the frequency, severity,
and size of wildfires, and associated losses and
costs:
▪ Fuel breaks to stop wildfires
▪ Wildfire Protection Zones to buffer
communities
▪ Forest stewardship for healthy forests
▪ Prescribed fire to reduce fire fuel"

-Etc. Which CA apparently not doing because of budget cuts and community objections. Apparently they didnt do them pre-05 and 08

Maybe now that their houses burned, they will be more amenable.

"One of the fires jumped over eight lanes of freeway..."

-But if there was nothing to burn, it would have stopped.

Nov 12, 2018
So go "manage the forest" in the chaparral, @The GOO. Good luck with that. Be sure to let us know how many trees you find.

Your New Clue™: not many. Manage this, you ignorant lying POS. Go suck your orange jebus and make a new sex scandal.

Nov 12, 2018
One of the best things about being a liberal, a green or a progressive is the fact that what ever happens it is always the fault of conservatives. Every few years or so they run an unelectable candidate so that they have a new person to hate. After all you can only blame Ronald Regan for so long until it gets stale.

Nov 12, 2018
One of the best things about being a con-servative is the "fact" that whatever happens it is always the fault of "libruls" for not doing "forest management" in the chaparral.

Nov 12, 2018
Its really difficult to blame poor forest management when the fires are not burning in forests. Perhaps you could blame poor chaparral management? Or perhaps poor grassland management?

Someone would have to be a complete idiot or ignorant as a bag of rocks to do that. Oh wait... It was Trump... totally makes sense now.

It really does make sense to blame lack of response to global warming or mismanagement of our GHG. But that would require actually taking responsibility, something most current politicians are terrified to do.

Nov 12, 2018
The truth is that fire is a natural process in the chaparral. Many of the plants that grow there depend on the fire to not only provide a good growing environment for their seeds but to actually open their seed pods and allow the seeds to germinate. Anyone who builds there needs to already know this, and fire suppression efforts must always wind up making a worse fire. Now, when anthropogenic global climate change has dried things out, one might as well build a house in the middle of a field of gasoline plants.

Nov 12, 2018
"Now, when anthropogenic global climate change has dried things out,"

What total B.S. Most of the US has had average or above rainfall. You are purposely confusing weather with climate. Droughts an winds are a natural occurrence in that part of California.

Nov 12, 2018
https://www.droug...lifornia

If you're going to make up lies, @MR, try not to get caught.

Nov 12, 2018
"California also has been in drought for all but a few years of the 21st century and is now experiencing its longest drought, which began on Dec. 27, 2011, and has lasted 358 weeks, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor . Nearly two-thirds of the state is abnormally dry."

Add to this the fact that the anti-logging agenda of people like Gov Brown has created a store of dead kindling from trees that were killed by beetle infestation when they became weakened from drought.

The greenie agenda of Gov Brown disallowed timber companies from removing non-viable trees that could have been harvested & put to lumber, instead it was left standing & became the fuel for the fires we see in the designated Campfire of the Sacramento area.

Ventura county to the south is a somewhat different situation, but there were enough cutbacks in creating fire break areas that would have slowed down the pace at which fire proceeded. I have relatives living there & we get daily reports from them.

Nov 12, 2018
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Nov 12, 2018
California isn't getting enough snow and rain to compensate for the unrelenting warming caused by climate change.


Unfortunately, climate change is as unrelenting as Republican corruption. Instead of working to address the problem with things like electric car incentives and a carbon tax, corrupt Republicans take money from the fossil fuel industry to do their bidding instead. Sure, more than a few of the deniers posting on here are complete morons, but the ultimate source of the problem is corruption, not stupidity.

If you ran an oil company making a billion dollars every week or two, you would be mighty tempted to buy a few congressman and senators in order to keep the gravy train rolling too.

Nov 12, 2018
@Lenni_The_Liar_And_Plagiarist is telling the same lie on two threads.

Nov 13, 2018
https://wattsupwi...n-state/

Climate change in California eh? Disingenuous liberals are calling any negative occurrence climate change. The science is corrupt and a tool of a liberal agenda. Meanwhile California is draining all of the aquifers and blaming the results on the new catch word du jour climate disruption. AGW did not work out too well due to the recent cold weather.

Nov 13, 2018
If a liberal builds a home on a coastal barrier island and it gets blown away it is due to AGW.
If a liberal builds a home in a flood plain and it is washed away it is due to AGW.
If a liberal builds a city in a desert and there is no water it is due to AGW.

Nov 13, 2018
Der scheide spluukted
Manage this, you ignorant lying POS. Go suck waaaaaa
You sound upset. Is it because you posted:
Let's be extremely clear: the Plumas National Forest Fire (which is being called the "Camp Fire" to distract from its real origin) burned for days before it got out of Plumas and into California lands, where it started doing real damage to peoples' homes
-when the truth actually is

"Soon after the ignition of the Camp Fire, initial attack firefighters were dispatched... Arriving 10 minutes later, the first units on scene observed rapid fire growth and extreme fire behavior, due to low humidity and high winds in the area... Shortly after the fire erupted, the Butte County Sheriff's Office ordered the evacuation of Paradise... Due to the speed of the fire, many residents of Paradise were unable to evacuate before the fire arrived. By 8:18 pm PST that day, the fire had burned 20,000 acres..."

-Extremely clear you dont like being caught in a lie.

Nov 13, 2018
"One reason that scientists know that management isn't to blame is that some areas now burning had fires in 2005 and 2008, so they aren't "fuel-choked closed-canopy forests," Dennison said."

"In those earlier fires, Paradise was threatened but escaped major damage, he said. In the current blazes, it was virtually destroyed."

.........but Dennison doesn't tell you the rest of the story.

The rest of the story is the anti-logging practices that were put in place by CA's greenies to prevent removal of dead & dying trees whereas prior to that period property owners were free to remove anything they wanted without worrying about law enforcement putting them in jail for not obtaining tree cutting permits for which they were almost always turned down, thus building the stock of fuel that has created the worst fire hazard in history.......and guess who suffers for it, not the politicians in Sacramento.


Nov 13, 2018
things like electric car incentives and a carbon tax, corrupt Republicans take money from the fossil fuel industry to do their bidding instead
uh I think you mean dems?

"Hillary Clinton has significantly out-raised Donald Trump in the oil and gas industry, an important venue for campaign financing that has historically served as a boon for Republicans, according to a new Wall Street Journal analysis."

Nov 13, 2018
The Dems live in an altruistic fantasy world where they are not funded by big business and corrupted by it's influence. In their closed minds only Republicans are influenced by corporate money.

Nov 13, 2018
https://www.drought.gov/drought/states/california

If you're going to make up lies, @MR, try not to get caught.

The Da Snob jackass brays.

http://www.latime...ory.html

Nov 13, 2018
In their closed minds only Republicans are influenced by corporate money.


Wrong. Thanks in part to the Republican-sponsored Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC, not only do corporations have a ridiculous first amendment right to speak, they speak in donations of money to politicians on all sides. This corrupt decision means all politicians have plenty of opportunities to be corrupted, Democrats and Republicans alike. The big difference is the Democratic party platform requires the interests of the voters be considered, the Republican party platform does not. When was the last time the Republicans pushed a bill whose primary benefit was the voters and not their donors? I can't even remember this happening, and I have a long memory. Occasionally they will sugar-coat a bill, like temporary tax breaks for the middle class and permanent tax breaks for the rich, but the goal is always to serve their wealthy masters and pander to single-issue fools.

Nov 13, 2018
" The big difference is the Democratic party platform requires the interests of the voters be considered,"

You mean like allowing unchecked immigration into the US while the majority of the voters are against this.

Nov 13, 2018
Or perhaps you mean going to court in order to have the illegal votes of non-citizens counted.

Nov 13, 2018
Nobody said unchecked immigration is the answer, but mean-spirited Republicans believe it is better that children be separated from their immigrant parents instead.

"If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose his faith in me, it would be better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea.


- The Ultimate Liberal, Jesus Christ (Matthew 18:6)

Nov 13, 2018
"Nobody said unchecked immigration is the answer, but mean-spirited Republicans believe it is better that children be separated from their immigrant parents instead."

Again total head in the sand B.S. This was happening under Obama and just lately was mandated by the court. Trump tried to keep them with their families but the court wanted them distributed throughput the US as potential magnets.

Nov 13, 2018
Trump tried to keep them with their families


Trump is such a bleeding heart liberal. Instead of protecting us from rappists and murders he is more concerned with their welfare than ours! (See I can play this game too, just make lots of false assumptions, mislabel and sink to the lowest level you can).

Even if you were correct, and you are lying, two wrongs don't make a right.

Nov 13, 2018
"(See I can play this game too,......."

You can,...... just not very well.

Nov 13, 2018
These illegal immigrants are using children like pawns in a political chess match. THEY are the heartless criminals and not President Trump who is protecting our borders.

Nov 13, 2018
You can,...... just not very well.


I don't want to be good at it. Reality is plenty complicated enough and I see no value at all in misleading people further. I also agree with the quote attributed to Jesus Christ, i.e., you should be completely screwed for hurting children, both here on Earth and in any afterlife you may believe in.

Nov 13, 2018
The Democrats and liberal courts have set up a system that encourages the separation of children from their families.

Nov 13, 2018
The US is telling unaccompanied minors that if you cross into this country you will be placed with a family and receive welfare. The Democrats WANT to separate families.

Nov 13, 2018
Marky mark says
The big difference is the Democratic party platform requires the interests of the voters be considered, the Republican party platform does not
ahaahaaa you is a front of bad jokes.

Nov 13, 2018
'Font of bad jokes'. As in gushing fountain of unintended laffs.

For some reason I cant edit posts on my fone anymore. But you know what I'm saying anyways yes?

Nov 13, 2018
Know what funny is? I am listening to Dom Giordano talking on the radio about tribalism, and he played a clip of a prof talking about tribalism vs nationalism. And then a caller calls in about tribalism.

For 10 years otto has been talking about tribalism right here on physorg when nobody else has, but recently everybody is.

Guess I have hit all 6 degrees yay.

BTW Dom, nationalism IS tribalism.

Nov 13, 2018
Not Managing Your Forest

Of course it was not bad management
As you have to manage
Your forest
To be accused of bad management
As this redwood forest was never managed
In the first place
It was left to rack and ruin
With decaying wood
Falling branches
Falling trees
Tinder dry leaf litter
Accumulating
In the tinder dry heat
Just waiting for that spark
To burn this forest down
As this forest
Was not mismanaged
It simply was not managed at all
Not one single tree was logged
Not one single leaf
Was cleaned up from the tinder dry leaf litter
This forest was an intentional fire
Just waiting to happen
As no logging means
No fire breaks were in place

Nov 13, 2018
As no logging means

No fire breaks were in place
To prevent the spread of fire
As not to log
Is not to manage
Is by implication is not to mismanage
So by implication
Implies this forest
Was intentionally burnt down
Implicitly by not logging

Nov 13, 2018
https://www.mercu...0-years/

So this drought is due to man eh?

Nov 13, 2018
Fecal regurgitation is a filthy diseased habit. Our "President" is a filthy maggot, a traitor, and a diseased fecal regurgitator. All the little squirming wormy haters are so happy they are on here spewing fecal material.

To all TrumpTard Fecal Regurgitators: I cannot smell your stench. I am not offended by your diseased appearance. Your splashing of filth does not reach me. You are all on ignore. Your deplorable, miserable existence is beneath the notice of real humans, like maggots in a rotting piece of filth.

Nov 13, 2018
Extremely clear you dont like being caught in a lie.
I didn't lie. I just hadn't done enough research. Apparently you're correct and the fire spread in hours out of the national forest.

My bad. But I don't lie.

Nov 13, 2018
I didn't lie. I just hadn't done enough research
-so you made something up to suit your preconceptions and posted it as if it were fact.

IOW you lied. Again.

Nov 13, 2018
ahaahaaa you is a front of bad jokes.


- Brain experiencing those periodic outages again Otto? Better take your meds.


Nov 13, 2018
Interesting interview today. This guy

"John Raymond Garamendi is an American rancher, businessman, politician, and member of the Democratic Party who has represented areas of Northern California between San Francisco and Sacramento, including the cities of Fairfield and Suisun City, in the United States House of Representatives since November 2009"

-being interviewed today on FNC by harris Faulkner
https://youtu.be/uUzOMPEQQnY
@12:00

-discussed the issue of 'foresting responsibility' and pending legislation.

That's right, a Democrat echoed what the president said about the need for proper forest management to reduce the severity and impact of these fires.

Nov 13, 2018
I didn't lie. I just hadn't done enough research
-so you made something up to suit your preconceptions and posted it as if it were fact.

IOW you lied. Again.
No, I didn't make anything up. Dishonest rejection of an admission of error shows exactly what you are. I don't even need to comment further.

My mistake was a misinterpretation of the scale of the map I posted, nothing more. Yours, however, is not an honest mistake; it is a deliberate lie and you know it. You are a gaping, stinking, flapping, farting azzhole, @Blotto.Now go suck your giant orange anus.

Nov 14, 2018
While Rome Burns
Physorg commenter's squabble
Over who told
The most provable lie
Da Schneib, TheGhostofOtto1923,Zzzzzzzz Mark Thomas
And lest we forget
Our supreme leader
Our logical friend
Known as
Simply stumps
When this fire
Burns its self out
Dear friends
In hundreds of years time
This redwood forest
Will have grown back
As this forest
Has in the billions of years
This redwood forest
Has been growing
On this earth
Every time this forest burns down
And returning the CO2
It took out the atmosphere
But
And this is a big BUT
If this forest
Was managed
And
Is managed
By the axe man
Cometh
Spare not one single tree
Dear friends
Let the axe
And his minions in their millions
Loose on this redwood forest
To log every single tree
And to plant a redwood sampling
Just as in the 1800s
Edward Bliss
Planted a million
Redwood saplings
In Brandon Hall
Where 6 miles down the road
Elveden estate
Is Elveden forest

Nov 14, 2018
An English Forest

All these collective forests
Collectively
Known as Thetford Forest
In the middle of this ginormous forest
The British Army
Occupies a private estate
As you walk
As you bike
You have to observe the red flag
Because in this forest
Challenger Tanks roam free
Firing live ammunition
As the army lives in tents
Away from west tofts
In the freezing winter cold
And the 104F summer heat
And even with these enormous exsplosions
Not one single tree is lost
Because
This enormous forest
Is managed
And logged
And planted
By
The forestry commission

A perfect English example on managing your forest

Nov 14, 2018
God I hate poets.

Nov 14, 2018
No, I didn't make anything up. Dishonest rejection of an admission of error shows exactly what you are. I don't even need to comment further
If you're offering facts in support of an argument you have the obligation to check whether they are true or not.

But you're an AGW tribalist and you dont perceive lies against the enemy as lies at all. You know your buds are lying too but you support them and they support you. This is war after all.

Be an anti-tribalist little scheide. The truth is more important than the comfort of your bare butt in the sand, sitting around the campfire, passing the gourd while roasting the choice body parts of your enemies.

Nov 14, 2018
No, @Blotto, you already blew it. There are things you could try but they're probably above your pay grade.

I see no point in any interaction with you but to call you what you are.

Analyze this, gaping flaming stinking farting azzhole. Go suck your giant orange anus.

Nov 14, 2018
Nature Provides the Wind

Fanning the fire that feeds these winds of change
As to apportion blame
As no one is to blame
Because
Left to nature, these forests
Regularly burn down to the ground
Then in the goodness of time
Regenerate
But
When man is not around
As this is an important point
Without man
The land regenerates a forest as nature intended
And here come the fatal but
BUT man is around
And just like the lions and tigers on their territory
Where man has encroached on their territory
Man is even as we speak
Is encroaching and building
On this carbon forests territory
That no more redwood trees
Will ever again grow where only virgin redwood giants once stood
Unless of course we hand back these carbon forests
Back to the axe man
To plant fresh new redwood saplings
So that once again
The virgin redwood forests of old
Stand tall again
To the saviours sound
Of that Woodman's axe as he fells these Redwood Giants!

Nov 14, 2018
To all TrumpTard Fecal Regurgitators: I cannot smell your stench. I am not offended by your diseased appearance. Your splashing of filth does not reach me
Analyze this, gaping flaming stinking farting azzhole. Go suck your giant orange anus
Lots of smelly poets in this thread.
Regularly burn down to the ground
Then in the goodness of time
Regenerate
But
Are you Bill Shatner? haha puke

Nov 14, 2018
"I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree." Bill Shatner

haha puke

He said breast haha

Nov 14, 2018
"I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.
fart

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;
snicker

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
ahaahaaaa

A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair
standing in her underwear

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain
but leaves a nasty little stain

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree." OTTO

Nov 14, 2018
No one can look for ulterior reasons why this redwood forest is burning to the ground

It is a natural event
Man in his wisdom has decided to live in this natural cyclic redwood inferno
So man has one and one alternative only
Hand this redwood forest to the axe man
And not spare one single tree
Cut huge swathes so deep through these redwoods
No fire can cross these swathes
Pile the leaf litter and burn it
For fertilizer
And in these huge swathes
Plant redwood saplings
So as the last redwood tree is felled
Those first redwood saplings
Have grown into mighty redwood trees of old
For the axe man to fell
And then families will
Once again
Live safely
Amongst these giant redwoods
In the safe and certain knowledge
As long as the axe
Has free and unfettered access
These giant redwoods
Will never again
Burn all the trees to the ground again
Saving the planet
Storing CO2 in their trunks
That builds the houses
Of families who live in their redwood forest

Nov 14, 2018
What we can conclude, with a great deal of confidence now, is that climate change is making these events more extreme. We know we'll run out of dead dinosaurs to mine for fuel & have to use sustainable energy eventually, so why not go renewable now & avoid increasing risk of climate catastrophe? Betting that science is wrong & oil companies are right is the dumbest experiment in history by far. Makes me so mad when smart, ethical scientists I know are accused of publishing climate papers for 'grant money'. They earn [peanuts] vs their other opportunities, but give that up to help world. But their accusers make billions by slowing down clean energy. Which is more credible?

Scary sign of times to come. It will get worse.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 11, 2018


In many ways Musk is smarter than I am, but we are definitely cut from the same cloth.

Nov 14, 2018
Death toll is now 48.

The real perverse thing is not that "the president faking it" is blaming the victims as is his wont, but that according to media it is the US federal mission to manage forests *and* his administration has cut federal money to that.

"He is bag of meat and bones, no soul."

I upvoted the comment but this is just besides the point -. we are all meat and bone bags and have no 'soul - "the president faking it"'s problem is that he has no morals. There are now biographical texts on his family showing that he was raised and rewarded as a scam artist from early age.

Nov 15, 2018
pinhead port opines
No one can look for ulterior reasons why this redwood forest is burning to the ground
"Several victims of California's Camp Fire have filed a lawsuit against the power company they believe is to blame for the devastating blaze that has killed 48.

"The suit accuses Pacific Gas & Electric Company (PG&E) of being responsible for the horrific fire, claiming it failed to properly maintain its equipment and infrastructure."

-otto opines that pinheads use word games to give ignorance and vacuity unwarranted cred-

Nov 15, 2018
"pinhead port opines"
"pinhead POET opines"

-what the heck physorg why is youse no longer android friendly?
I cant edit-

Nov 18, 2018
according to media it is the US federal mission to manage forests *and* his administration has cut federal money to that
THE MEDIA LIES. Do your own research.

"California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection is responsible for fire protection in State Responsibility Areas... as well as the administration of the state's private and public forests.

"Lawmakers in Sacramento have mandated that every Operational Unit develop and implement an annual fire management plan. The plan will develop cooperation and community programs to reduce damage from, and costs of, fires in California. One metric used by fire suppression units is initial attack success: fires stopped by the initial resources, (equipment and people,) sent to the incident.

"Lassen-Modoc-Plumas Unit - LMU / 2200 (Including Plumas County as of June 2008).

-The state cut budgets for these state-funded programs. Because they spend far more than they take in.

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