Physicist describes the shape of a wormhole

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A RUDN physicist demonstrated how to describe the shape of any symmetrical wormhole—a black hole that theoretically can be a kind of a portal between any two points in space and time—based on its wave spectrum. The research would help understand the physics of wormholes and better identify their physical characteristics. The article was published in the Physics Letters B journal.

Modern concepts of the universe provide for the existence of wormholes—unusual curvatures in space and time. Physicists imagine a as a black hole through which one can see a distant point of the universe in four dimensions. Astrophysicists are still unable to determine the shape and sizes of precisely, let alone theoretical wormholes. A RUDN physicist has now demonstrated that the shape of a wormhole can be calculated based on observable .

In practice, physicists can observe only indirect properties of wormholes, such as red shift—a downward shift in the frequency of gravitational waves in the course of moving away from an object. Roman Konoplya, a research assistant from the RUDN Institute of Gravitation and Cosmology, the author of the work, used quantum mechanical and geometrical assumptions and showed that the shape and mass of a wormhole can be calculated based on the red shift value and the range of gravitational waves in high frequencies.

Today, deal with direct tasks: They take the geometry of a compact object, find out its range (the set of frequencies at which a wormhole emits ), and then compare the data with experimental results. After that, they decide whether the observed values are similar to theoretically predicted ones. Konoplya suggests a solution of the opposite problem: he managed to determine the shape of an object based on its visible spectrum.

Konoplya took a mathematical model of a spherically symmetrical Morris-Thorne wormhole—a type of black hole that unites two points in space and time and also theoretically provides for movements between them. Then he applied an existing mathematical model to describe the bottleneck of the wormhole—the narrowest place between its entrance and exit. First, he mathematically described how the shape of any symmetrical wormhole can be determined based in its wave range, and solved the so-called opposite problem in general terms. Then, using quantum mechanical approximation, he established an equation to calculate a geometrical for a particular case—a wormhole.

"In general terms, a quantum mechanical approach leads to many solutions for the geometry of a wormhole. Our work can be expanded in several ways. First of all, to avoid long formulae, we only considered electromagnetic fields. In our future work we can study other fields under the same approach. Our results may be applied to rotating wormholes as well, provided they are symmetrical enough," says Konoplya.


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More information: R.A. Konoplya, How to tell the shape of a wormhole by its quasinormal modes, Physics Letters B (2018). DOI: 10.1016/j.physletb.2018.07.025
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Oct 17, 2018
Mathematics does not imply reality. Reality implies mathematics. Mathematics applied to reality must describe reality. Only a very small subset of mathematics describes reality. A mathematical model, to be valid, must fit exactly the mathematics implied by reality, otherwise the model is wrong.

Oct 17, 2018
I don't know about RUDN University itself or what is taught there, but I do know that "wormholes" exist in the Cosmos - having seen one in 2013 while observing the sky.
It is just one of the many mysteries of the Universe, and nothing to fear, I am sure.
While I would enjoy learning more about it, I believe that seeing an actual wormhole in the sky is only through an accidental occurrence - and may never again be repeated in one's lifetime. That is, unless one keeps diligent watch for it.

Oct 18, 2018
I do know that "wormholes" exist in the Cosmos - having seen one in 2013 while observing the sky.


I want to laugh, but if you are serious, you have much bigger problems.
That is totally insane.


Oct 18, 2018
I don't know about RUDN University itself or what is taught there, but I do know that "wormholes" exist in the Cosmos - having seen one in 2013 while observing the sky.

You know that we'd ll be well and truly dead if that were true, right?

So you really might want to get your head checked.

Oct 18, 2018
Wasn't that ridiculously stupid pop-sci-fi wormhole movie produced by the crank Kip Thorne made back in 2013? Is that the wormhole you saw? Got some news for ya, it is nothing but a pseudoscientific faerie tale put forth by a plasma ignoramus with zero grasp on reality.

Oct 19, 2018
I do know that "wormholes" exist in the Cosmos - having seen one in 2013 while observing the sky.


I want to laugh, but if you are serious, you have much bigger problems.
That is totally insane.

says Ojorf

Laugh all you want. Wormholes are serious, otherwise you wouldn't have been reading about it the way you did.
Or do you think that the researcher is insane? Not to mention that "The article was published in the Physics Letters B journal."
If you do, then why are you reading about it? You must be insane too.

Oct 19, 2018
I don't know about RUDN University itself or what is taught there, but I do know that "wormholes" exist in the Cosmos - having seen one in 2013 while observing the sky.

You know that we'd ll be well and truly dead if that were true, right?

So you really might want to get your head checked.
says anti-ap

I would suggest that YOU get YOUR head checked for reading an article on wormholes and commenting on it even while you deny the possibility of their existence. And what has made YOU the great authority on the existence of wormholes? Perhaps you have crawled out of a hole from a Nazi German bunker during WW2, eh?

Oct 19, 2018
Wasn't that ridiculously stupid pop-sci-fi wormhole movie produced by the crank Kip Thorne made back in 2013? Is that the wormhole you saw? Got some news for ya, it is nothing but a pseudoscientific faerie tale put forth by a plasma ignoramus with zero grasp on reality.

says CD85

LOL I have never seen that movie. I own and use my nice, expensive telescope to watch the Stars in their course. But it was during the day when I saw the wormhole in the sky. There is more to it but that is all I will say about the matter. Speaking of Matter, your human eyes can only see the things/objects that are made of Matter. Perhaps I am blessed with a better eyesight that is not quite so human.

Oct 19, 2018
Laugh all you want. Wormholes are serious, otherwise you wouldn't have been reading about it the way you did.
Or do you think that the researcher is insane? Not to mention that "The article was published in the Physics Letters B journal."
If you do, then why are you reading about it? You must be insane too.


No of course not, are you daft?

The researchers are not insane, why would you even ask that? Wormholes are serious.
You believing you saw one, now that is INSANE.

Also insane is the way you misunderstood my and antialias_physorg's posts. We clearly don't question wormholes, but you ridiculous eye-witness account of one.

Oct 19, 2018
Laugh all you want. Wormholes are serious, otherwise you wouldn't have been reading about it the way you did.
Or do you think that the researcher is insane? Not to mention that "The article was published in the Physics Letters B journal."
If you do, then why are you reading about it? You must be insane too.


No of course not, are you daft?

The researchers are not insane, why would you even ask that? Wormholes are serious.
You believing you saw one, now that is INSANE.

Also insane is the way you misunderstood my and antialias_physorg's posts. We clearly don't question wormholes, but your ridiculous eye-witness account of one.
I bet you have seen ghosts as well.

Oct 19, 2018
So, since you aren't me and don't have my eyes, you have to come to your conclusion that what I said that I saw wasn't real, eh? And yet you claim that neither one of you denies the existence of wormholes. That only means that you and Auntialias are PROJECTING your own bias onto the person with whom you disagree, for after all, you are thinking to yourselves, "why does he have to be different from us, and why did he have to have seen something that WE have never seen"?
This is common amongst those who don't get out much.
The whole idea of science is to discover everything about the unknown - but what you and Alias are, and have been doing, is to try to prevent science from discovering that unknown, as though you are trying to be the "gatekeepers" or "nite club bouncers" that are the ones who determine who actually saw what they say that they saw, and whether they really saw it or not.

You both do take on a lot of responsibilities on yourselves, don't you.

Oct 19, 2018
And no, I haven't as yet had the pleasure of seeing ghosts. But theghostofotto1923 believes that he IS a ghost of someone named Otto. Perhaps you should start a serious interrogation with regards to SpookyOtto's true identity, yes?

Oct 19, 2018
Seeing strange and 'impossible' things can be a very mind-opening event.

August of 84 I was in the Mid Indian Ocean area, and was watching at night for the Challenger Shuttle, which by the orbital charts was supposed to be almost directly overhead that night.

So I was watching the sky intently when I saw this large, white-glowing object heading directly North to South (Right to Left from my view) and then as it got to about mid-sky there was a bright double flash to the North.

At that point two things happened: The 'Object' suddenly turned 'left' in it's course, heading East, and accelerating like a bat out of hell into a blur within 25 degrees of sky, an instant later a green beam with orange tinged edging went right through the very spot the 'Object WOULD have occupied had it not Immediately turned.

It was a direct 90 degree turn with no change in it's high orbital speed, and would have crushed anything known to be man made at the time.

NASA has vids of same event.

Oct 19, 2018
A Wormhole on Wing of Light

And in the light that is darkness a singularity of hole
Did break forth
Where its radii
In accordance with light
Worm all that lay out side
Into its mysterious interior
From whence it came
No one knows but in matter it taketh
It transports superluminally
To destinations in vacuum
As this is singularity of hole
Indistinguishable from either
Worm or blacketh of hole
In the vacuum of space

Oct 19, 2018
@Steelwolf
You appear to have seen a possible 'hit and run' activity between 2 different factions of extraterrestrial life forms who are vying for control of Earth. One side are those who are living amongst humans who are disguised as full humans and have no enmity toward humanity at all. They are here and are benevolent.
But there are the 'others' who have come to Earth to destroy the good ones in order to take control without any opposition.
This is not a joke nor am I lying about what you have witnessed.
Most humans who have seen this war going on are most often close-mouthed about it, fearing that they will be mocked and called a lunatic by those who have never had such an experience. Most humans are stupid anyway, no matter how well they think of themselves.
I would suggest that you write down your remembrances with as much as you may remember and read it in your old age. And remember that you are special because of what you have seen. Your life has been changed, yes?

Oct 19, 2018
SEU, It was not the only time I have seen such, not the exact type of thing, but different enough thing like a satellite jumping back and forth 2 degrees of sky while it orbited...that one I had witnesses with to see, normal orbital speed, but NO time between side to side changes.

And I did have the MIB type come and talk to me as well, ordering me to Never repeat what I had seen on such and such night as specified time. They were very nasty, pushy, aggressive and projected a mental fog, which I was able to push away, to their surprise. They left quickly after giving their message.

Was also met and talked to individuals from 'the other side' who were very Positive, good and friendly folks who, while one could speak English, the other was Telepathic in it only. They told me that I would see them again and to repeat as broadly as I can the truths I know about science and the events I have seen so that others will hear, and can make their own call.

So, I post here, not many ask.


Oct 19, 2018
@eggy
since you aren't me and don't have my eyes, you have to come to your conclusion that what I said that I saw wasn't real, eh?
considering your history of religious ideation, demonic possession, satan on the internet and other irrational statements, then it is far more logical to assume you're delusional than you're correct, especially given your lack of evidence and the notorious problems with eye-witness testimony and it's accuracy

.

@steel
while one could speak English, the other was Telepathic in it only
thanks for these last couple posts: it explains a lot!

Oct 19, 2018
Of course, certain people have written me off anyhow, and it is their loss, really, and that is too bad. But, I stand by what I have said, and have said, time and time again since it happened, as well as other things that I have seen and done. Plenty would think me crazy, and that is fine, crazy is a fine balance point for high intelligence and empathy combined with experience.

What I am not is Stupid, not ignorant, nor am I 'set' on a dead end of scientific or spiritual growth and truth. I am always open to new data, but that also gives me the right to reject old data when I find it no longer fits as well as other observations and determinations.

I have had several times when I have been able to connect telepathically with (few) individual humans, and quite a number of cats, who seem to always watch for me and want to get personal attention, even just saying 'Hello' and acknowledging them respectfully makes em happy.

So many miss so much of the world in their anger.

Oct 19, 2018
I also am a telepath, but only most of the time. Even as a child I knew I was different.
There was a girl about my age who had a deck of playing cards. For whatever reason she shuffled the cards twice, then took the top card from the deck and asked me what it was. So I told her what it was. She said that I was correct. Then took another one and another one and another one. After the eighth or ninth card that I guessed correctly, she seemed to be quite nervous. She asked me, "Are you SURE you never played this game before"? As I had never played it before, I told her "no". And with that she got up from her chair and ran away to her parents who were in the next room.
I have since had the same kind of problem where some people get nervous and skittish around me. As I haven't behaved in any unusual way, I can only say, "c'est la vie".
I am also a daemon hunter, to be exact.

Oct 19, 2018
Oh Joy, see SEU, Already a Chief Detractor popping up likely to use my very words against me. That is fine, it will only show what a fool he is as a great many more people believe in, and use, telepathy than will state publicly, at least here in the US. In other places it is considered the norm to 'enter the tau', or to join the group mind setting at that time and place. It is the reason Churches get people to do things in unison, as it joins people together on a subvocal level that is an uplifting experience, when not tainted, and it keeps bringing the people back as it is a feeling of WellBeing, as long as the Whole Flock is good.

In those scenarios evil shows itself plainly, so more stagecraft is used instead of real faith. In the churches now, because the LAST thing the Churches want, politically, is for the people to find that Every 'Self' is Directly connected to the Universe, and needs no middlemen, which leaves priests out on the corner and churches up for mortgage.


Oct 19, 2018
@Steelwolf
Those 3 links are important because the events took place in the 1500s when there were no aircraft or balloons in the air. And these events took place in Basel and Nuremburg, where the witnesses were not used to seeing such phenomena.
So, it was an amazing thing to the townsfolk, who decided to record it in both newspaper and woodcuts.
So, there really is nothing to be done about extraterrestrials having their air battles. It's only when they do bad things to good people in airplanes that most people in government might want to put a stop to it.
But I haven't heard of any such actions by government.

Oct 19, 2018
@Steelwolf
I usually put the ruffian on Ignore, or just jump over to the next post. There will always be idiots like Captain Chickenshit who need to take over and control the physorg forums/comments. That person is of no consequence at all - always requiring ATTENTION.

Oct 19, 2018
@eggy-on-da-face
That person is of no consequence at all - always requiring ATTENTION.
if I am of no consequence, then why do you keep bringing me up?

more to the point, why does anything I post make you so angry and aggressive? I mean... ya threatened my life, for pete's sake! LMFAO

that means I am definitely of consequence to you and in your bubble of insanity!

.

Oh, and don't mind me at all

I just made fresh popcorn and I am enjoying the show...

by all means, keep going!

Oct 19, 2018
And Steelwolf
Believe me, you are perfectly normal. And you have nothing to worry about. Just live your life as a good person and love our Creator, because you will meet Him one day, depending on how you comport yourself in this life.

Oct 19, 2018
And the daemons are stirring about in pysorg. Restless, they are and want to be fed more Souls.

Oct 19, 2018
SEU, they are psychic vampires who create angst and then feed on the energy of hate and discontent, so I sit and laugh as I write, knowing it will taste vile for them even as as they think they cause me harm! I feel so sorry for them because they hurt themselves the worst.

Oct 20, 2018
they are psychic vampires
Not me!
I love garlic!

Oct 20, 2018
Meh. This guy's got a signature. So look for it. We got, you know, telescopes. And stuff.

Oct 20, 2018
Steelwolf and SEU.

Seeing a wormhole? A space battle? Being a telepath? Talking to cats & aliens? Having the MIB visit and threaten you? Factions of extraterrestrial life forms (disguised as humans) vying for control of Earth? Talking to individuals from 'the other side'?

This has moved from the "eccentric crank" category all the way over to "bat-shit insane" very quickly.

Oct 20, 2018
Steelwolf and SEU.

Seeing a wormhole? A space battle? Being a telepath? Talking to cats & aliens? Having the MIB visit and threaten you? Factions of extraterrestrial life forms (disguised as humans) vying for control of Earth? Talking to individuals from 'the other side'?

This has moved from the "eccentric crank" category all the way over to "bat-shit insane" very quickly.


Yep, they've fallen down a wormhole and ended up in the Twilight Zone!

Oct 20, 2018
Laugh as ye like, I happen to know the truth that there really IS stuff that most folks never run into, never hear about, except derisively, and then when they DO run into it, it leaves most of them gibbering scared and with a load in their pants.

Having been hit by a car a 6 yrs old, last day of school, and remembering looking down at the guy pulling me out from under his car, I could see my head rolling too freely at a bad angle, and knew my neck had been broken, so I was dead or nearly so, and so I 'turned' to GO.

I was stopped and held in what can only be called solid, loving light, and told that since this IS a Free Will Planet, some things happen by accident and some by bad choices on some people's parts. I was given the choice of staying with this body, even though there would be heavy pain and I would have to live the active part of my life very fast as I would later be sedentary because of it. (Continued)

Oct 20, 2018
I was told I could have my choice of lives, either in Cambodia or Coastal Pakistan, and they would be harder lives, but without the back problems, and yet I would not be able to do my main work, which I had planned out in fairly great detail. But, I decided to stay and do This Life, as there were lots of people depending on me to be able to give them information not gotten from other sources. I felt it to be my responsibility in this conflict for the planet and made the choice to stay in this body, and the next thing I knew I was laying on the ground with a huge circle of people around, a guy holding a compress to my head and the ambulance pulling up.

There is a LOT more out there than many of you have experienced, so, if you have not seen or experienced, do Not try telling others that such things are impossible as they will laugh in your face as they KNOW, some of us have really Been There, Done That, and are NOT Crazy, no matter what you laymen think on the subject.

Oct 20, 2018
Repeat

Oct 20, 2018
Understand too, I was 6 years old and had been raised Catholic so far, at that point. So for me to be suddenly talking with 'God' or an 'Angel', and obviously felt like I was in Heaven, surrounded by loving, glowing golden light. At 6 years old, and then talking, as an adult, about making the choice whether to stay in this body, and I saw all of my plans scroll out like a long PDF, how there were different change points in my life planned etc, and instead of taking one of the other bodies, I worked to re-write my life charts and planning goals and where it was to intersect with those of others.

And so to be having all of this experience, at 6 years old, and have it very very real. I kept it to myself for a few years until I heard the folks talking about Near Death Experience, and heard close stories, and so I told them what I had seen. My parents had trouble believing, but I told mom what she was doing in the house when I was hit, as I had Seen it, and they HAD to believe.

Oct 20, 2018
So, go ahead and yuk it up, laugh as you like, I have seen and touched the face of God and am scared of Nothing. I see far more than I write here, as even with as much truth as I put out, there are those who cannot even read what they post in opposition to me, they just Oppose. JD not reading the paper that he, himself posted, and then disagreed blatantly with statements taken directly from the paper, the Authors words directly quoted, not my own, only for him to say I am lying.

I dont lie like that, I have no need to lie, my ego does not require lies to puff myself up. I know who and what I am and do not misrepresent myself or my information. If you disagree or cannot handle it, not being able to think that far ahead or extrapolate from the data in front of you, then have the courtesy to not deride those who Can.

Don't deride others who have had different experiences, lest you find yourself sharing them sometime without the warning or preparation time you need.

Oct 20, 2018
JD not reading the paper that he, himself posted, and then disagreed blatantly with statements taken directly from the paper, the Authors words directly quoted, not my own, only for him to say I am lying.


Quit with the lying, woo boy. I already replied on that, and that paper says nothing to back up whatever woo you are on about. Why the incessant lying?


Oct 20, 2018
Duplicate.


Oct 20, 2018
Aliens in the Mist - A complement in textural scribing

SEU> So, it was an amazing thing to the townsfolk, who decided to record it in both newspaper and woodcuts!

Aliens in battle

And so it was
To townsfolk in awe
This amazedly of incidence
Decided for prosperity
To record in scribes
In both woodcut and paper

Thank you SEU, when you utter those words, "when in mirror doth Granville reveal"
Then there will be two!

Oct 20, 2018
Where memories no longer exist

Steelwolf, parental sibling belief in the hereafter comes only in memories that in early years as of old, only happen once in the shock of incidence, as the reassuring thoughts of family life in their regularity of routine, as though through memories there is comfort in routine, such that one knows the routine and thoughts of loved ones as though those actions yet to be repeated have been repeated, as on uniting it is unsettling to be of 6yrs and see these thoughts before the routine progressive!

And so Steelwolf, think on these thoughts as life progress's as we prepare to enter the infinite vacuous vacuum of space where memories no longer exist!

Oct 20, 2018
"...think on these thoughts..."

Seriously or even Siriusly?

Between granny, rustyyorkie and segue, there is a complete lack of ANY thinking being accomplished!

Oct 20, 2018
Umm, with the knowledge that energy and information cannot be destroyed, Memory is forever imprinted onto the electromagnetic fields, the chains of photons which will travel forever hold the data sets.

But unless you, yourself have died, and then returned to speak of it, you have no concept of the Reality that is there and the whole different set of assumptions and 'of course' basic knowledge there. I was 6 yrs old, I did not have the words for what i was seeing, only knowing that this was very real, that we are Souls that inhabit bodies, not just bodies that happen to also have souls. Religion has things so backwards, any and all of them that say there has to be a middleman.

Teachers, yes; many wise people in the past have been teachers, and the passing on of solid, repeatably verifiable information is vital. But it can be difficult finding real teachers, plenty who Presume to know the truth just pass on their indoctrination and just want to get paid. Real Teachers are rare.

Oct 20, 2018
@steel
Don't deride others who have had different experiences
your experiences may not reflect reality, nor are they capable of being validated

more to the point, it is historically demonstrated that delusional disorders are common and treatable
But unless you, yourself have died, and then returned to speak of it, you have no concept of the Reality that is there
and what about those of us who have been clinically dead and don't share your delusions?
I have seen and touched the face of God and am scared of Nothing
1- Wakinyan trumps your god

2- https://mentalhea...-themes/

I reiterate my advice from elsewhere: there are medications you can take to help you
and psychotherapy may be helpful as well

I offer this with all sincerity as I've dealt with victims that have conditions similar to your own

Oct 20, 2018
SEU, they are psychic vampires who create angst and then feed on the energy of hate and discontent, so I sit and laugh as I write, knowing it will taste vile for them even as as they think they cause me harm! I feel so sorry for them because they hurt themselves the worst.

say Steelwolf

I should remind you that Captain Chickenshit has admitted previously in other forums that he is under the care of a psychiatrist and even made a joke of it.
But we already knew that. We know everything about Stumps and his reasons for being on the internet, particularly in science websites like physorg. We know his whole life's history going far back to his beginning.

We knew that Stumps was out to get you psychologically when, after you told him about your experiences as a firefighter on board a ship, Stumps said, with obvious belittling, "F**k that". Then proceeded to tell you of his experience fighting fires. He then changed his tune, saying that he respects shipboard firefighting

Oct 20, 2018
@Steelwolf
One of the many things that we are aware of is that those who are under psychiatric care most often have a need to look upon others as having the need for psychiatric care also even if those others are completely normal. This is Stump's way of spreading himself and his mental diseases out so as to think better of himself. Stumps uses this spreading method to draw others into his circle, where Stumps has imagined that if HE is crazy, then everyone else must be crazy too.

Steelwolf, you have to understand that humans are made of Matter, and as such, they can only see all that is made of Matter because, to them, THAT is all there is.
The fact that you and I, and so many others on Earth are not limited to the material world and are able to see the beauty of another Reality is anathema to such as Stumps and his gang. It begets envy and avarice, and even hatred.
So don't worry about these ruffians who exude such jealousy. They will get their just deserts, trust me

Oct 20, 2018
@egg-brained pseudoscience idiot
We know his whole life's history going far back to his beginning
if that were true, you wouldn't have threatened me

by the way - I'm still waiting for you to visit
good luck
He then changed his tune
ROTFLMFAO
you don't comprehend the term "fuck that"?

that wasn't belittling, you idiot illiterate butt-squeegie, that was a term of respect for the courage and valour of those who do the job

ah, but that requires literacy and intelligence beyond religion-101 to comprehend

LOL

thanks for demonstrating your reading and comprehension fail there, eggy

that (syntax and interpretation fail) firmly places you in the eastern europe- western russian federation camp with possible czech and/or hungarian influences
even if those others are completely normal
since when is delusion, hysteria and paranoia considered normal?
LOL

Oct 20, 2018
Holding my nose and ROFLMAO at stumps.

Oct 20, 2018
@egg-brained pseudoscience idiot
We know his whole life's history going far back to his beginning
if that were true, you wouldn't have threatened me

by the way - I'm still waiting for you to visit so's I can bend over and kiss your butt,
good luck
He He He
ROTFLMFAO
you don't comprehend the term "fuck that"?

that wasn't belittling, cuz I''m just an idiot illiterate butt-squeegie, that was a term of respect for the courage and valor of those who do the job that I never done did.

LOL

thanks for demonstrating my reading and comprehension fail there, eggy

that (syntax and interpretation fail) firmly places you in the eastern europe- western russian federation camp with possible czech and/or hungarian influences
even if those others are completely normal
since when is delusion, hysteria and paranoia considered normal?
LOL


Still obsessed with butts, are you? Yes, of course you are.
Tell your wife, Ojorf to stop following me.

Oct 20, 2018
ANGELS IN THE MIST

A view as the honourable stumps takes his intellect most pure
A rarity of stumps soul laid bare

Simply Stumps
In view of memories
In their dreams
As stumps wonders in his thought
On how his experience personal
Doth, when applied in logical of mind
Apply to those not of him self
But to others of opposition
Of thought that no comparison
Of any can be made
Because simply stumps
Is unique of mind there can be
Of no comparison to majority of mind
Who have seen angels in their midst
As simply stumps has seen angels of opposition most dire
No mortal eyes never seen except only simply stumps

Oct 20, 2018
I understood Cpt Stump over the comment F'That. So would most folks when they actually see what a real shipboard fire is about. There was nothing wrong with that exchange between us. Stump and I may differ wildly, but there Has been a modicum of politeness on certain levels and subjects.

He has problems with believing some of the things I have seen for the same reason that most anyone would think them crazy...until they happen to You specifically, and then you start rethinking what might be possible and How it would be possible.

Watching a craft do a 90 degree turn, with no slowdown, stopping or curvature to the turn, just snap, now traveling at 90 degrees to what you had been.

After having died, and decided, consciously choosing to come back, seeing a 'UFO' was almost disappointing, but still, 90 degree turns are not for the weak hearted.

Some of the other stuff I thought 'this is too cliche' to be possible, but it happened, sure as I am typing now.

Oct 20, 2018
@Steelwolf
It is strictly up to you. Apparently, I was wrong in thinking that you would have regarded that comment from Captain Chickenshit as a slight, at the very least. But Americans seem to have a different sense of values than we. So I will no longer interfere in your exchanges with stumps. But still, I would advise you to not give any of your personal information out to that ruffian or its minions, else you might find yourself wishing that you hadn't, as a few others seem to have found out the hard way. Any information that would enable them to trace you, your history and your location, that is.

Oct 20, 2018
@steel
Watching a craft
erm... how do you know it was a craft?

more to the point: where is any evidence that it was a craft at all?

I've seen natural phenomenon do some truly weird sh*t, and likely you have as well if you've ever been in some serious fires, and that is just regarding fires

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one important note: I do not in any way doubt your sincerity WRT what you *believe* you saw or think you know, be it alien, telepathy or anything else

I am a former investigator and I've heard crazier sh*t from very "reputable" sources

but as an investigator, I also follow the evidence

and considering the statistical probability of you being correct vs you being delusional, etc, then the latter is far more probable, especially given the notorious problems with eyewitness testimony

and then consider your history (medical, admitted above) and high-risk job aboard a ship?

likely you won't agree, but the odds just aren't in your favour

Oct 21, 2018
Umm, with the knowledge that energy and information cannot be destroyed
Neither of these is actually true. In fact, energy can be dissipated; that means it reduces to the lowest common denominator, heat, which is absorbed and randomized, and then radiated as undifferentiated IR or even microwave photons which no longer have the original phase and direction of the photons that spawned it and of course are of different energy.

And this process also necessarily destroys information; the original phase, energy, and direction of the original photons.

No one escapes Boltzmann.

Oct 21, 2018
Actually, being a highly trained observer in the Navy I was more in a position to say it was a craft than not, since it was following an Orbital Pattern and also was, quite obviously, shot at, and it dodged. There are films from it released in the '90s on television, on one of the Information Release shows, showing actual NASA footage of the same incident, from the opposite side of it (facing me) from where the vid was taken, which was attributed to the Challenger flight, but not which number.

Since then there have been at least two more vids of orbital objects being shot at with either high energy, nuke-pumped plasma-based masers (determined to be due to the double flash effect of the nuclear explosion immediately prior to the beam going thru the space where Craft should have been).

Other vids show similar attacks on craft from different angles and different style of beam-energy packet formations, most launched via nuclear detonation.

You can find by Googling it yourself.

Oct 21, 2018
SEU, Cpt Stump and I disagree about most things, but, he was, by his own admission, damn impressed by the fact that I was a shipboard firefighter, with that kind of background and training, but that event HE, with even HIS decent level of training would tell someone to f^ck off if told to go fight such a fire or deal with some of the situations which we had to do onboard ship.

But, for the most part he seems only to want to deride me, even tho I have shown my reasonable bona fides and a deeper understanding of the sciences than most can. Being a polymath myself I dont mind if he wants to bash me on a single subject here, that is his karma, but I do dispute when someone calls me a liar and tells me that data I have taken straight from papers without distorting the intent of the writers at all, is false.

When I post a statement in direct context, I do not distort or lie about the context, as jd states. However, while Stump and I argue, we tend towards polite, mostly.

Oct 21, 2018
@Steelwolf
Well I, for one, do believe that you have experienced all that you say you have. And I am fairly certain that there are, at least some who frequent this website who may have experienced similar sightings but don't care to 'stir the pot'. as they may prefer to keep a low profile in that regard. And I cannot blame them, for as they can see for themselves in this forum in particular, those ignoramuses such as the former Truck Captain, who chooses to denigrate the experiences of others, as well as spreading his idiocy of if anyone has seen that which he has never seen, then the ones who saw the anomaly must be crazy. And it is that kind of thought processes from those who cannot abide that someone else who is a different person, has seen and experienced the events/occurrences which are, in fact, a good experience - and perhaps a happy one.
For it is the fortunate ones, such as we, who are able to comprehend the seriousness of what is relatively unknown to the masses

Oct 21, 2018
After some checking on historicals, it had to have been the Discovery that was up, we were always excited then, in 84, when they put one up, they were almost common, with 4 launches that year, with STS 41D being the one in the right time frame.

This vid I will post is supposedly from STS-48, this is one of the ones 'similar' to what I saw, and not the same vid that they had on television even, but it does show similar.

Now, they have a cover story about flash coming from thrusters and it being ice chips moved around near the shuttle, but the Craft starts moving as soon as the light hits it, even in slow motion, with the timing between the double flash being fast, the object starts moving while the first flash of the two is illuminating it, starting to move in less than 1/50th of a second from the beginning of the flash, with the beam going thru the space it would have occupied just 1/3rd of a second later.

https://www.metab...o.t3445/

Oct 21, 2018
@Steelwolf
How nice that you and Captain Chickenshit have found some common ground. But as you have most likely read the nonsense that this alleged Truck Captain has attempted to spread about me and some others, the evidence is in his posts that he is the one who is in dire need of psychiatric help. I certainly hope that psychiatry/medicine will one day cure his mental issues, as I don't suffer fools lightly.

Oct 21, 2018
I can certainly appreciate the 'keeping a low profile', Been on here since '07 by the account, never felt it was the right time to say much on the subject. You see a lot when you show up on planet Awake and Aware. Bummer having to wait through growing up to be able to do anything, and even then it is mostly just forced to work to hopefully keep your family alive without too much hassle, or even just keep oneself alive, let alone be able to make the changes to the world that are so direly needed, even in the small ways that lack of money limits one to.

I always had a very tradable skill, that was not the problem ever, but the body itself taking mass damage from being between two moving pieces of heavy metal at the wrong time due to equipment failure left me Very sedentary. Rebuilt and failed and re-broken multiple times the C5-6-7 section of the neck. if it were not for the Titanium plate and screws holding it would have killed me multiple times again.

Lucky I guess.

Oct 21, 2018
@Steelwolf
Stephen Hawking had an incurable disease that left his body quite essentially paralysed, and yet, he became one of the all-time best theoretical physicists of modern times - in spite of his inability to move, or speak without either a human translator or a machine to transfer vibrations (or whatever the mechanism was). He also had children during the early stages of his disease.

Make the most of what you DO have and don't EVER feel sorry for yourself. Remember this:

"I was sad and angry because I had no shoes; until one day I met a man who had no feet."

There will ALWAYS be someone who is worse off than you. And most of them just take it in stride and do the best they can. It's not hard to do. Trust me, the best is yet to come!!

And science will come up with something for you, eventually.

Oct 22, 2018
SEU, That particular saying has held a lot of depth for me since I was a child. 'And the gent with no feet was a happy man, as was his friend with no legs, both had lost em 'in the wars', but they were a cheery lot and always helped their their Other friend who did all the walking, but had no hands, having lost them in a farming accident.'.

I grew up trained to Homestead, and in homesteading there is no such thing as useless information, and so learned as much as I could get my hand on. Encyclopedia Britannica and World Book Encyclopedia was my major reading from 6 to about 10, along with as many books as I could check out of the library at a time. So I drank down knowledge like it was nectar of the gods, to Know why things happened, and to be able to figure out, on my own, how and why, first by checking with the books, later by trial and error of experiment, and now I can largely write about what I have done, seen and surmised because of it.

No different than normal polymaths.

Oct 22, 2018
and in homesteading there is no such thing as useless information
I beg to differ: there is considerable useless information that you don't want to have in your head when homesteading

case in point: what does lancing a snake bite and sucking out venom do?
nothing medical at all, and it risks contamination or worse

you probably also don't need to know how to fly a 747 either, unless you're using one to dust crops


Oct 22, 2018
Actually, most homesteaders these days tend to be pilots or depend heavily on pilots, so it falsifies That line, Having Up To Date medical knowledge on first aid is one of those things that require regular re-training because they continually come out with new information, knowing as much medical as possible can save your life, and someone else's. Falsified twice.

The sort of info that is not needed is nattering nabobs who naysay instead of getting their hands dirty, and gossip, the spreading of bad information about someone, usually bad as is being fallacious info about said person, based on innuendo of someone with a personal axe to grind.

Tends to get city idiots run out by honest folks working to live, not gripe because someone did not use the proper tense or set of specific equations using 'the other school's numbers'. People like that are usually just shot in the first year or two, asked how he died, whole town will say suicide.Ye just don't be like that and survive.

Oct 22, 2018
As a Navy Firefighter, especially with the Helicopter crash response crew, we were trained to near paramedic levels on how to keep a person alive for the 10-15 minutes it may take to get them to the sick bay or triage station. Had to do real life triaging in major accident while in the service. So the medical is something we were trained on as kids, basic bandaging, different ways to do wraps, what type of wrap and why which compress, etc. But being up on first aid, and medical as far as possible, is never bad data. Listening to pharmacy co's is worth little to nothing, unless you want to profit on people kept sick intentionally or priced out of health options.

But learning to fly most aircraft in the Tundra, is a survival skill, just like judging weather, materials, home and how much food and fuel you have to be able to make it til the next short summer without dying from something stupid you did to yourself.

Drop the strawmen Stump, converse instead of just gripe, go farther.

Oct 22, 2018
@steel
so it falsifies That line
not really - ya don't use a 747 to crop-dust, let alone land in unimproved runways or on dirt

flying something that large is worlds different than smaller planes
Falsified twice
again - no, it wasn't

you don't keep the old knowledge and continue to do it when snake-bit, do you?
The sort of info that is not needed is nattering nabobs who naysay instead of getting their hands dirty
LMFAO
I have a homestead - most of my groceries are grown or shot here
and I have solar, wind and a generator

You're the one claiming to have been "raised to homestead"... were you homesteading in Manhattan?q]Tends to get city idiots blah blah blah People like that are usually just shot blah LOL

People who want to homestead listen to those who do homestead
others are left to fend for themselves

we don't shoot them because nature will drive them away or take care of them

Oct 22, 2018
@steel
But being up on first aid, and medical as far as possible, is never bad data
never said it was bad

in point of fact, I said
there is considerable useless information that you don't want to have in your head when homesteading
this is especially true in medicinal treatments

You don't want to create more problems by remembering wrong stuff and that means, literally, there is such a thing as useless information
Drop the strawmen Stump, converse instead of just gripe, go farther
1- it wasn't a strawman. you misspoke

2- I was conversing and correcting

3- if you're the polymath you claim, and a homesteader to boot, you should know better

Oct 23, 2018
See you bring up strawman again with medical, get over it dude. And Yes, there IS fallacious info, and I have watched you spread it, and watched you gossip and play little psychpathological games of verbiage dissection for the perusal and personal entertainment of your own, personal, just as psychopathic friends, who are actually just waiting for You to misspeak so they can try Stump Steak via longpork ham.

Since 747 has been phased out, tis a moot point, but having that knowledge would let you get a large turboprop off the ground if the normal pilot is, easily enough, incapacitated. Never said I was gonna do YOUR stupid trick of cropdusting, you can play and be as stupid like that if you like

Do not pin it on me.


Oct 23, 2018
@Steelwolf
Reading your posts, I find that you did not specify the words "private pilot" rather than just pilot. Due to your not adding "private" before pilot, it appears that you were deliberately misunderstood as having meant flying a 747 jet - which, of course, would not make much sense. I and others fully understood your meaning, but the one that you are engaging in conversation tends to twist meanings to try to make you think that you had said something entirely different.
I did a search of the forum, and the only one who mentioned 747 was definitely not you.

And I am quite happy that you enjoyed remembering the story of the man with no shoes. It does give a better perspective in being grateful for the blessings that you do have.

Oct 23, 2018
@steel
See you bring up strawman again
so, when you make a fallacious irrelevant claim it's ok, but when I correct you, it's "strawman"?
Hypocrisy much?
there IS fallacious info, and I have watched you spread it
you mean like challenging you about your aliens, etc?
who are actually just waiting for You to misspeak so they can try Stump Steak via longpork ham
that was hilarious! LMFAO
so, if you have seen me spread fallacious info, why haven't they been all over me? LOL
Since 747 has been phased out, tis a moot point
not really
Jet or turbofan + dirt = bad idea

and that doesn't even deal with the size issue any decent polymath should easily recognize
Do not pin it on me
your electric strawman boogaloo quoted, not mine

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