Gravitational waves provide dose of reality about extra dimensions

September 14, 2018 by Louise Lerner, University of Chicago
In new study, UChicago astronomers find no evidence for extra spatial dimensions to the universe based on gravitational wave data. Credit: Courtesy of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center CI Lab

While last year's discovery of gravitational waves from colliding neutron stars was earth-shaking, it won't add extra dimensions to our understanding of the universe—not literal ones, at least.

University of Chicago astronomers found no evidence for extra spatial dimensions to the universe based on the gravitational wave data. Their research, published in the Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics, is one of many papers in the wake of the extraordinary announcement last year that LIGO had detected a star collision.

The first-ever detection of gravitational waves in 2015, for which three physicists won the Nobel Prize last year, was the result of two black holes crashing together. Last year, scientists observed two collide. The major difference between the two is that astronomers could see the aftermath of the neutron star collision with a conventional telescope, producing two readings that can be compared: one in gravity, and one in electromagnetic (light) waves.

"This is the very first time we've been able to detect sources simultaneously in both gravitational and light waves," said Prof. Daniel Holz. "This provides an entirely new and exciting probe, and we've been learning all sorts of interesting things about the universe."

Einstein's theory of explains the solar system very well, but as scientists learned more about the universe beyond, big holes in our understanding began to emerge. Two of these are dark matter, one of the basic ingredients of the universe; and , the mysterious force that's making the universe expand faster over time.

Scientists have proposed all kinds of theories to explain dark matter and dark energy, and "a lot of alternate theories to general relativity start with adding an extra dimension," said graduate student Maya Fishbach, a coauthor on the paper. One theory is that over long distances, gravity would "leak" into the additional dimensions. This would cause gravity to appear weaker, and could account for the inconsistencies.

The one-two punch of gravitational waves and light from the neutron star collision detected last year offered one way for Holz and Fishbach to test this theory. The from the collision reverberated in LIGO the morning of Aug. 17, 2017, followed by detections of gamma-rays, X-rays, , and optical and infrared light. If gravity were leaking into other dimensions along the way, then the signal they measured in the gravitational wave detectors would have been weaker than expected. But it wasn't.

It appears for now that the universe has the same familiar dimensions—three in space and one of time—even on scales of a hundred million light-years.

But this is just the beginning, scientists said. "There are so many theories that until now, we didn't have concrete ways to test," Fishbach said. "This changes how a lot of people can do their astronomy."

"We look forward to seeing what gravitational-wave surprises the universe might have in store for us," Holz said.

Explore further: Explainer: Why gravitational wave researchers won a Nobel

More information: Kris Pardo et al. Limits on the number of spacetime dimensions from GW170817, Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics (2018). DOI: 10.1088/1475-7516/2018/07/048

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poksnee
2.1 / 5 (13) Sep 14, 2018
A multi dimensional universe has always been BS.
kaliyuga
3.9 / 5 (7) Sep 14, 2018
A multiverse is not necessarily BS Mr. poksnee. The concept of gravity leaking across hidden dimensions may be an error in multiverse logic. A multiverse works better if gravity is shared. This concept eliminate the need for dark energy to explained the outward acceleration of our universe. It can also explain the uneven distribution of matter, and big bang quantum anomalies such as matter versus anti-matter.
rrwillsj
2 / 5 (3) Sep 14, 2018
Damn! Bummer... I always have enjoyed H. Beam Piper's Paratime stories.
fourinfinities
3.5 / 5 (4) Sep 14, 2018
Dr. Hitoshi Murayama has been overheard referring to String-Theory as Swampland. And now this! Will ST go the way of the aether? That would be a shame. It has so much promise; more than 10^500 possibilities...
Old_C_Code
2.3 / 5 (13) Sep 14, 2018
A multiverse has always been wrong. There are THREE dimensions to space. Math can be anything, but not necessarily reality.
ShotmanMaslo
4.4 / 5 (13) Sep 14, 2018
Note that this only rules out very large extra dimensions, not small ones used in most string theory models. And multiverse is a different thing entirely.
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (12) Sep 14, 2018
Note that this only rules out very large extra dimensions, not small ones used in most string theory models. And multiverse is a different thing entirely.


Ahhhh, in the Universe I come from, a poster called ShotnamMalso said precisely the same thing this morning! :)
poksnee
2.4 / 5 (12) Sep 14, 2018
Old_C_Code wrote

"A multiverse has always been wrong. There are THREE dimensions to space. Math can be anything, but not necessarily reality."

Well I would add time as a dimension. One of the main reasons physics has been hobbled for decades is allowing math to drive physics rather than imagination and logical thought processes.

When will the multi dimension, multiverse and string theorists wise up?

I suspect dark energy and dark matter also fall into the make believe category. They are both probably fudge factors for incorrect calculations, incorrect observations or assumptions made in astrophysics.

jonesdave
3.4 / 5 (17) Sep 14, 2018
Old_C_Code wrote

"A multiverse has always been wrong. There are THREE dimensions to space. Math can be anything, but not necessarily reality."

Well I would add time as a dimension. One of the main reasons physics has been hobbled for decades is allowing math to drive physics rather than imagination and logical thought processes.

When will the multi dimension, multiverse and string theorists wise up?

I suspect dark energy and dark matter also fall into the make believe category. They are both probably fudge factors for incorrect calculations, incorrect observations or assumptions made in astrophysics.



And I suspect you've never studied science.
poksnee
1.4 / 5 (9) Sep 14, 2018
You don't seem to know who you are addressing, but I have a degree in chemistry and physics.
And you?
jonesdave
3.4 / 5 (15) Sep 14, 2018
You don't seem to know who you are addressing, but I have a degree in chemistry and physics.
And you?


You did physics, and doubt the validity of maths? In which case, you didn't do physics. Or you flunked it. You cannot even start physics without maths. It isn't bloody philosophy! Why do you think DM was proposed? Because the maths doesn't work if you only use visible, 'normal' matter. Now, do tell us; who screwed up this calculation, and why have so many people fallen for it? Did they not do their own calculations to check? Don't talk wet.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (14) Sep 14, 2018
You don't seem to know who you are addressing, but I have a degree in chemistry and physics.
And you?


Oh I think I do. Yet another Dunning-Kruger affected physics crank, who has never published anything. Correct? Otherwise you wouldn't be on here, you'd be making your point in the scientific literature. Yes? Cranks are ten a penny round here. Welcome to the club. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously, unless you can come up with some real science, and real numbers. Unlikely, I'd have thought.
Reg Mundy
1.5 / 5 (8) Sep 14, 2018
Seems I was right all along, no gravity, only expansion.....
jonesdave
3 / 5 (10) Sep 14, 2018
Seems I was right all along, no gravity, only expansion.....


Reg, you have never been right about anything! You have this strange belief that if you live long enough your penis will get bigger. Not going to happen, mate. Sorry.
By the way - were you born on a Sunday?
Old_C_Code
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 14, 2018
Dimensions mean location, time doesn't have a location.
granville583762
3 / 5 (10) Sep 14, 2018
JDs Circular navel gazing
Oh I think I do. Yet another Dunning-Kruger affected physics crank, who has never published anything. Correct? Otherwise you wouldn't be on here, But you are on here JD as just Yet another Dunning-Kruger affected physics crank, who has never published anything. Correct? Otherwise you wouldn't be on here.
It must be like looking in a mirror JD, a self diagnosed Dunning-Kruger affected physics crank and cranky at that to…
Who needs the Beano when we can come and watch JD waxing Lyrical on his self diagnosed Dunning-Kruger symptoms!

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.8 / 5 (11) Sep 14, 2018
Dimensions mean location, time doesn't have a location.
says C_C0de

Spot on. Time only measures distance and duration. And BTW, there are other dimensions that are real. I am not referring to the first 3 dimensions of height, width and depth.
Sometimes another dimension/reality connects with ours and entities from that other dimension sometimes get lost in ours and cannot find their way back. It is not common knowledge, but scientists do have a suspicion that it is possible. I have seen at least one of those entities who seemed to be lost and I saw "it" searching for the "portal" to return home from whence it came here. My Mum also saw it, and it was she who brought it to my attention.

The details are still very clear to me, and I only wish that more people could see and understand this anomaly.
Telekinetic
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 14, 2018
I concur, Surveillance_Egg_Unit. The theories of David Deutsch, a highly regarded physicist, author, and quantum computing researcher has written a compelling argument that if a particle can be in two places at once, then are we not composed of particles? I have been witness to anomalies similar to ones you've described, and haven't allowed skepticism to alter my own experiences and view them as a science that we must catch up to. The conclusions of this article don't negate phenomena that can't presently be explained or understood.
poksnee
2.1 / 5 (11) Sep 14, 2018
Thanks to Surveillance_Egg_Unit and Telekinetic this blog has finally taken on some manner of gravitas.
poksnee
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 14, 2018
jonesdave

"You did physics, and doubt the validity of maths?"

I didn't say I doubted the validity of math. I said physicists shouldn't let math drive physics.
You need to learn to read or comprehend what you read.
JSintheStates
3 / 5 (2) Sep 14, 2018
About time! Too much pop speculation, and not enough testable hypotheses being put forward these days, yet alone juried articles! Less nonsense, more sensible science! Occam's Razor anyone?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (9) Sep 14, 2018
I concur, Surveillance_Egg_Unit. The theories of David Deutsch, a highly regarded physicist, author, and quantum computing researcher has written a compelling argument that if a particle can be in two places at once, then are we not composed of particles? I have been witness to anomalies similar to ones you've described, and haven't allowed skepticism to alter my own experiences and view them as a science that we must catch up to. The conclusions of this article don't negate phenomena that can't presently be explained or understood.
says Telekinetic

I must explain also that what we saw was not a "ghost" or an entity from the spiritual plane, as that is an entirely different "reality" that seems to lack any type of "mass", but only a form of Energy. What the source for that energy is, is yet unknowable.
Science should always be a perpetual journey of discovery, and many scientists have discovered that there is far more to Reality than previously thought.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (9) Sep 14, 2018
-CONTINUED-
It isn't inconceivable that, aside from the height, depth and width that are a crucial part of the measuring process, that the dimension in which we exist and live in is, in reality, the 4th Dimension and, in that case, it would be imperative to have a 5th, 6th, 7th and beyond Dimension that could possibly interact with each other, by accidentally "touching" in some small way.
I have no doubt that our own Reality is a Dimension - and that Dimension is just one of many.

And somehow there are those of us who are "able" to see (but not hear or feel) when an entity from a reality other than ours has somehow (involuntarily) fallen into ours.

I do hope that the researchers will take on this probability and bring it to a proper level of knowledge. At this time, science is flying blind wrt understanding how other dimensions can touch ours and give some of us a glimpse into something so different and lovely in its possibilities.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 14, 2018
The detection of a Gravitational Wave is nice, but GW will not be able to reveal other Dimensions, as those other dimensions are very likely running on a very different set of Physics and Laws than the ones we know.
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (13) Sep 14, 2018
Wow. Jeez. Listen to all these physics experts on here! Any of you cretins ever actually published anything? Hell, any of you actually managed to finish high school? Bloody unlikely, I'd say. Want the links to a few physics forums, gobsh1tes? Happy to oblige, if you want to carry on your crap with actual scientists, instead of trying to make your sad lives mean something by posting sh1t on here. Just say the word, losers. Sad muppets.
Ojorf
2.8 / 5 (11) Sep 15, 2018
Old_C, damn.
Dimensions mean location, time doesn't have a location.


What do you think clocks and calendars are all about?

Ever heard of Space-time?

You need a physics education. I had no idea you are also a Relativity denier.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 15, 2018
Old_C, damn.
Dimensions mean location, time doesn't have a location.


What do you think clocks and calendars are all about?

Ever heard of Space-time?

You need a physics education. I had no idea you are also a Relativity denier.


Your argument makes no sense. What do YOU think clocks and calendars are for? Do you understand the concepts of the measurements of duration and distance? Clocks are man-made objects that measure the DURATION OF EVENTS; while clocks are also used to time the duration of the distance from Point A to Point B, such as the Kentucky Derby or the Indianapolis 500.

And there is no such thing as "Spacetime". Time is a separate measurement of the duration of events in space, say for instance: the amount of time it takes you to walk to the bus stop. 15 minutes? Or how many weeks till the next full moon? And the time component in outer space is also a measurement of duration or distance. It is in math that Spacetime is used which is crazy.
HannaB
4 / 5 (4) Sep 15, 2018
Note that this only rules out very large extra dimensions, not small ones used in most string theory models. And multiverse is a different thing entirely
Small distance scale extradimensions were already disproved by collider experiments. And I'm pretty sure, that if some large extradimensions would be found, then it would be immediately interpreted as a big victory of string theory, am I right? Scientists are like big kids once it's about their pet theory... :-)
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (13) Sep 15, 2018
Note that this only rules out very large extra dimensions, not small ones used in most string theory models. And multiverse is a different thing entirely
Small distance scale extradimensions https://io9.gizmo...tal-test as a big victory of string theory, am I right? Scientists are like big kids once it's about their pet theory... :-)


Bore off, Zeph.
Steelwolf
4 / 5 (4) Sep 15, 2018
The one problem that multiverse theory did solve neatly was 'where does the electron 'go' when it is tunneling between orbitals after kicking off a photon or in going thru materials in quantum experiments using scanning-tuneling electro-microscopes.

And while we have 3 dimensions in space, and only Observe one dimension in time, does not mean that time itself does not have a 2 or 3D structure to it. I do not think we would get echoes from gravity off from different timelines, so that would be out as far as a source of 'dark matter'.
katesisco
1.8 / 5 (5) Sep 15, 2018
With the misleading ongoing possibilities of 'gravity waves' one might conclude the only purpose is to keep solitons from being the research topic of the future.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 15, 2018
Uh Oh - the All Blacks have lost to the South Africa SpringBoks 36 - 34 right there in Wellington. Tis a sad, sad day/week for all New Zealanders. LOL
er..I mean Oh Boo Hoo
LOL
I suppose that jonesd will now redouble his efforts to denigrate and disparage new science and its supporters with strange ad hominem and character assassination. Nothing new there.

But hooray for the SpringBoks.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 15, 2018
The one problem that multiverse theory did solve neatly was 'where does the electron 'go' when it is tunneling between orbitals after kicking off a photon or in going thru materials in quantum experiments using scanning-tuneling electro-microscopes.
says SteelWolf

Electrons, being particles, remain in the Quantum Universe. But that QU is in and all around us. No matter where you go in our Universe, the QU is already there. You just can't leave it behind.

It is not possible to enlarge that QU to the size of the one in which we live, where every electron would be the size of a moon, a star, a planet. But as it is, the electron is in a Universe within a Universe,
IF it were possible for a man to be reduced enough in size down to float around in the Quantum Universe, he would find that the QU is the equivalent of the size of the Universe he had left, and he would have to find a suitable particle on which to live. That is, if Oxygen atoms were available.
PowerMax
1 / 5 (2) Sep 15, 2018
enough f***ing clickbait articles!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.9 / 5 (9) Sep 15, 2018
And while we have 3 dimensions in space, and only Observe one dimension in time, does not mean that time itself does not have a 2 or 3D structure to it. I do not think we would get echoes from gravity off from different timelines, so that would be out as far as a source of 'dark matter'.


"Time" is still only a man-made concept where our minds needed an explanation and a logical reason why the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West. That is, only AFTER the brains of Homo Sapiens had evolved enough to even think of such observations, then queries and their answers.
Time has no "structure" except for the amount of ticks that are mechanically produced in the mechanism of a clock. And those "ticks" are dependent on the size of cogs and wheels in the clock. The gravitational attraction/pull of the Earth's mass is now known to affect the mechanism of clocks that are at a vertical distance from each other. The Earth' rotation also - on the mechanism.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.9 / 5 (9) Sep 15, 2018
-CONTINUED-
BUT, it is not Time that is affected by the rotation of the Earth, or the distance between two clocks, but only the MECHANISM of the clocks, because the clocks are MASS which gravity affects.
Time is unstructured and is only a product of the human mind. If Time were a living object or dimensional, you would be able to SEE it because it would have Quantum Particles and Mass/Energy.
TorbjornLarsson
5 / 5 (1) Sep 15, 2018
Note that this only rules out very large extra dimensions, not small ones used in most string theory models. And multiverse is a different thing entirely.


Yes, not unexpectedly the number of non-compact dimensions is the 3 of GR: "D = 4.02+0.07−0.10 (SHoES) and D = 3.98+0.07−0.09 (Planck)."
Shootist
3 / 5 (2) Sep 15, 2018
-CONTINUED-
BUT, it is not Time that is affected by the rotation of the Earth, or the distance between two clocks, but only the MECHANISM of the clocks, because the clocks are MASS which gravity affects.
Time is unstructured and is only a product of the human mind. If Time were a living object or dimensional, you would be able to SEE it because it would have Quantum Particles and Mass/Energy.


keep on looking for that slippery chroniton radiation. used creatively by Borg everywhere
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 16, 2018
-CONTINUED-
BUT, it is not Time that is affected by the rotation of the Earth, or the distance between two clocks, but only the MECHANISM of the clocks, because the clocks are MASS which gravity affects.
Time is unstructured and is only a product of the human mind. If Time were a living object or dimensional, you would be able to SEE it because it would have Quantum Particles and Mass/Energy.


keep on looking for that slippery chroniton radiation. used creatively by Borg everywhere


Are you suggesting that I am an half-automaton? So my secret is out!!
I anxiously await the final stages in the making of the Chroniton Torpedo to add to my vast collection of laser-based weapons.
ふしぎの海
jonesdave
3 / 5 (10) Sep 16, 2018
The gravitational attraction/pull of the Earth's mass is now known to affect the mechanism of clocks that are at a vertical distance from each other. The Earth' rotation also - on the mechanism.


So, how is it affecting caesium atoms?

https://www.lives...ork.html
Ojorf
3.7 / 5 (9) Sep 16, 2018
Says SEU:
Your argument makes no sense. What do YOU think clocks and calendars are for? Do you understand the concepts of the measurements of duration and distance? Clocks are man-made objects that measure the DURATION OF EVENTS; while clocks are also used to time the duration of the distance from Point A to Point B, such as the Kentucky Derby or the Indianapolis 500.

And there is no such thing as "Spacetime". Time is a separate measurement of the duration of events in space, say for instance: the amount of time it takes you to walk to the bus stop. 15 minutes? Or how many weeks till the next full moon? And the time component in outer space is also a measurement of duration or distance. It is in math that Spacetime is used which is crazy.

Ok, yet another GR denier.
So why do you and Old_C think Einstein and relativity is wrong?
ShotmanMaslo
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 16, 2018
Small distance scale extradimensions were already disproved by collider experiments.https://io9.gizmo...tal-test


Does not rule out extra dimensions on scales used in string theory. Only many orders of magnitude larger.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 16, 2018
Atomic clocks are accurate gravimeters
SEU> The gravitational attraction/pull of the Earth's mass is now known to affect the mechanism of clocks

The main use for atomic clocks, because of the transition of the caesium electron orbital's, the electron by virtue of its mass is gravitationally accelerated resulting an inaccurate time keeping device and in the same instant being an accurate gravimeter!
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (9) Sep 16, 2018
Atomic clocks are accurate gravimeters
SEU> The gravitational attraction/pull of the Earth's mass is now known to affect the mechanism of clocks

The main use for atomic clocks, because of the transition of the caesium electron orbital's, the electron by virtue of its mass is gravitationally accelerated resulting an inaccurate time keeping device and in the same instant being an accurate gravimeter!


Lol.
Reg Mundy
2.3 / 5 (3) Sep 16, 2018
@Surv-egg, OldCcode, RC,....
Ever thought about what TIME actually is?
Do you doubt that its QUANTUM?
rrwillsj
3 / 5 (4) Sep 16, 2018
Time is a Human construct. Measuring what ever you want to imagine Time to be.

No matter the actual time. You are always late when being on time is vitally important. You are always early when you are beset with tedious and boring.

You can never run fast enough to avoid your fate.

You can never run slow enough to expand the precious moments of experiencing your loved ones.

If there is any such physical phenomena as Time. Than it is the Present. The Past is gone into nothingness. The future does not exist. Only Here and Now constrained by the Speed of Light.

Those photons from billions of light years away, exist now. Even if we have not yet observed them. They are on the way and will arrive in our Future Now.
RealityCheck
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 16, 2018
@Reg Mundy.

When discussing the 'portmanteau' "TIME" concept in the past, I took pains to 'unpack' for interlocutors the FOUR main meanings/applications of 'time' concept in totally disparate contexts; briefly:

- PHILOSOPHY: The concept of 'undifferentiated' Duration/Existence per se, irrespective of any 'finite subdivision' which may or may not be drawn/delineated by the thinker/observer;

- UNIVERSAL COSMOLOGY: The underlying Fundamental Spatial/Quantum RATE of 'physical properties' transfer allowed by the nature/makeup of the physical potentials/entities which transmit/propagate 'perturbations' across the universal space 'fabric';

- SCIENCE/MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS/GRAPHING: An analytical construct for comparing/measuring motions/changes between things/events under study, utilizing 'clock' etc cycles/ticks for TIMING same;

- GENERAL HUMAN LANGUAGE/LITERATURE: Subjective/Figurative allusion to the subjective serial-events-streams 'experienced'.

Context matters! :)
meerling
3 / 5 (2) Sep 16, 2018
I've always liked the idea of time as a state, which I was taught before string theory came out. Of course the calculations for the whole spacetime thing become much easier when you treat time as a dimension. I always likened it to that whole thing with the apparent increase in mass as you approach light speed isn't actually an increase in mass, it's just easier to deal with the calculations if you treat it as such.
Then again, I'm just an armchair type and not a professional scientist or anything. Heck, to even get my basic grasp of quantum stuff I lucked out and got to talk to one of the top quantum physicists on a cross atlantic flight back in the 80s. It's too bad I can't remember his name, but he was great to talk to and very good at explaining things :)

If a physicist can be said to have strangeness and charm, you know he's got a quarky personality.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Sep 17, 2018
Atomic clocks are accurate gravimeters
SEU> The gravitational attraction/pull of the Earth's mass is now known to affect the mechanism of clocks

The main use for atomic clocks, because of the transition of the caesium electron orbital's, the electron by virtue of its mass is gravitationally accelerated resulting an inaccurate time keeping device and in the same instant being an accurate gravimeter!
says granville

That is correct. Caesium, as an atomic propagator of a perfect interval between ticks in an atomic clock is accurate on Earth's surface. But a similar atomic clock flying overhead in a plane, depending on its altitude, its time will differ incrementally from the atomic clock on the Earth's surface. The atomic clock is also subjected to gravity and gravity's effects on the clock's mechanism...which is also Matter. Radioactive Caesium is a form of Matter that produces Energy. ALL clocks are subject to gravitational pull of the Earth.
AmritSorli
not rated yet Sep 17, 2018
YES, universal space is 4D.........gravity and inertial are 4D phenomena. https://www.neuro...684/1246
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2018
Time is a Human construct. Measuring what ever you want to imagine Time to be.

Those photons from billions of light years away, exist now. Even if we have not yet observed them. They are on the way and will arrive in our Future Now.
says rrwillsj

I have thought about this. Photons cannot be destroyed, so yes, they still exist. Immortal photons, they are.
But the material objects (stars) from which those photons launched so long ago no longer exist, although the Matter/Energy from which they were created, still exist but in a different form.

If a life form just happened to be standing on a planet in that general area from where the photons had launched long ago, they would be seeing the light/photons from our Milky Way - but the Milky Way might no longer exist. Or at least our Sun would have gone supernova already. This is because it works both ways. The light from our region has to travel for billions of light years to reach that alien's eyes that is standing there
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2018
@Surv-egg, OldCcode, RC,....
Ever thought about what TIME actually is?
Do you doubt that its QUANTUM?
says Reg M

Good query you have. I have conceptualised Time as "Nothing". Someone else has said that SPACE is a Nothing, though I see Space as a carrier or a "medium" that was always required to give SUPPORT and as a "base" for Matter/Energy. Space is a foundation, whereas Time is definitely NOT a foundation or a support, except in the MINDS of those whose lives are reckoned by the timing of their artificial mechanisms. The rising and setting of the Sun in no way depends on Time. It is only an EVENT that is conspicuous because we are aware of that event.

Time is the same, whether in the Quantum Universe or the macro Universe. Only the events differ. Quantum is a universe within a bigger Universe, but the Time is the same in both. Only the events are measured by atomic and normal clocks. Each tick MEANS something to us. But who are we?
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2018
Chronological devises the Admiralty required sailing the high seas!

Ancient mariners required accurate time keeping traversing the high seas, the Admiralty required accurate chronological devices giving the same time where ever it was in the world and the high seas, and now present day Space Mariners require accurate chronological time keeping devices traversing the galactic seas that give the same time as when on earth, as when visiting our galactic cousins on Andromeda.

All motion is changing velocity is the equivalent of acceleration which is the equivalent of gravitation. Therefore gravity is changing motion which is why the transitioning electron is affected by velocity - it is being accelerated –

Atomic chronological devices by virtue of their physicality do not give accurate time keeping traversing the galaxies as the Admiralty required sailing the high seas!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2018
I think that, depending on their location on the globe, the sailors depended on either the North Star to steer by - or the Southern Cross if in the southern hemisphere. They had the astrolabe, compass and they knew how deep the water was when they weighed anchor. And the ancients had the Antikythera, the amazing analogue computer of the ancient Greeks.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2018
@granville
What we refer to as Time is not the same on all planetary objects, as orbits, rotations, axes, and other factors do not follow the same patterns as Earth. That's why clocks would be useless on Mars, unless it has been adjusted correctly. Even our own clocks have to be adjusted for Daylight Savings Time.
There are still some who don't understand that Time is not a dimension like a 3 dimensional object of height, depth and width. That's why I have mentioned that Time is not a foundation or support of Matter/Energy as is Space.

But some scientists will continue to rely on "Spacetime" in their equations and think that Spacetime somehow means something that is crucial to Physics.
It gives no advantage to understanding either Space OR Time. I have been trying to think of a proper term to replace Spacetime, but I am at a loss as to which term is more appropriate and descriptive. Perhaps a budding young scientist will someday think of it.
Reg Mundy
1 / 5 (3) Sep 17, 2018
@SEU
Time is the same, whether in the Quantum Universe or the macro Universe. Only the events differ. Quantum is a universe within a bigger Universe, but the Time is the same in both. Only the events are measured by atomic and normal clocks. Each tick MEANS something to us. But who are we?

Sorry to disagree, it ain't.
In the macro Universe, TIME is a continuous onrushing river. In the Quantum Universe, it is a single state of matter (i.e. a snapshot of all the particles in the Universe). The next quantum of TIME to us, living in OUR Universe, is chosen by our laws of physics from the infinite variety of snapshots available so that the laws are obeyed in a macro sense. However, look very closely (i.e. in very fine detail at the very, very small) and the discrepancies are obvious.......
I reckon a QUANTUM of TIME is, to us, how long it takes a photon to transverse a planck length, or similar. What do you think?
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
There is no change it time in the vacuum

SEU, as we adjust are clocks for daylight saving hours, the galactic mariners clocks in their ships automatically adjust to the agreed daylight saving hours, so when the galactic sailors look up at their clocks at 3:00 pm they phone home to their children who are also at 3:00 pm.

I think the reality is clear SEU, there is no change it time in the vacuum, unless of course you use chronological devises that are effected by motion, acceleration, gravity and electromagnetic frequency and radiation!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2018
OK. When I say that Time is the same in both the Quantum and the Macro Universes, I am saying that the events, conditions, circumstances, locations, gravitation, attraction and repulsion, and many other conditions are factored in on each level (2). If you were able to reduce in size to the quantum level, you would not be able to SEE the Macro level Universe. All you would be able to see would be the atoms and other particles within the Quantum Universe, and it would seem to be just as big as the Universe you had just left.
Quantum is imperceptible to us because the Laws are a bit different as well as size and other factors. But what you see in your reduced form really does exist and, if you wait long enough, you might even see the beta decay of a free neutron within 14.7 minutes. If you time the decay with your tiny watch, it will be 14.7 minutes when the free Neutron opens up to let a proton, electron and antineutrino out. It will not happen in 4 minutes or 20 minutes.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
This means that, irrespective of size, an hour in the Macro Universe is still an hour in the Quantum Universe. The main reason is that both Universes are tied together as One, even though the Laws and events are different from each other. If our Solar System was drawn into an alleged Black Hole, the same thing would be happening to the Quantum reality which would certainly not be able to escape being dragged in.
And yes, Time IS a continuous rushing river, no matter at which level that river happens to be. Time cannot differ, only the events and the distances can change.
Old_C_Code
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2018
OjorfBarf: there are 3 location dimensions, even with relativity. A parametric equation does not make time a location dimension just because your in a location at a certain time.
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
The quantum world is in the macro world as we are all in the singular vacuum
SEU> an hour in the Macro Universe is still an hour in the Quantum Universe

The properties of vacuum are two galaxies 15billion Lyrs apart, they could be 30billion Lyrs apart, time does not change with distance all the galaxies are aging at the same rate.
The confusion arises because electric fields, magnetic fields, electromagnetic frequency and gravity effect our chronological devises such that the oscillations every second are effected which changes this frequency, so of course if you have a 9giga hertz second all these forces change that 9gigsa hertz frequency with the result our measurement of time is no longer accurate!
The solution is clear, our time keeping devises have to 100% shielded from electric fields, magnetic fields, electromagnetic frequency and gravity and SEU, you most probably will be able to add more that have been overlooked.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
There is no change it time in the vacuum

SEU, as we adjust are clocks for daylight saving hours, the galactic mariners clocks in their ships automatically adjust to the agreed daylight saving hours, so when the galactic sailors look up at their clocks at 3:00 pm they phone home to their children who are also at 3:00 pm.

I think the reality is clear SEU, there is no change it time in the vacuum, unless of course you use chronological devises that are effected by motion, acceleration, gravity and electromagnetic frequency and radiation!
says granville

On Earth time, there are 24 intervals and each time zone is assigned a time slot such as 3pm in the US East coast would be 9pm in England - a difference of 6 hours. So the galactic mariners would know already that their kids are in bed at 9pm Earth UK time. But out there, the Time differences are crazy, only because of the several orientations, such as orbits, rotations, etc. of each planet visited.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
True time is measured in 100% pure vacuum which is a shielded chronological device

The point being raised SEU, is time dilation is measured by chronological devises where their frequency is effected by electric fields, magnetic fields, electromagnetic frequency and gravity

It is glaringly obvious that it is not possible to get an accurate measurement of time when these forces vary from point to point in the vacuum depending which planetary system we're visiting.

To get a true measurement of time dilation, a chronological devise will only give a true measurement of time in a 100% pure vacuum, so unless we can shield our chronological devises from all these forces we will not know true time until we have travelled sufficiently into the vacuum till we reach a Void which is devoid of all matter, energy and forces
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
@Reg Mundy
And cruising BETWEEN planets would be really crazy because each planet that the ship passes could be 24 hours; 37 1/2 hours; a day+night could be like 2 weeks on Earth, etc.
Therefore, an atomic clock full of radioactive metal would need to be maintained on Earth time. But which Time Zone, you ask. Without such a clock, the crew might mutiny.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
@granville
There is no such thing as "Time Dilation". It is a faerie tale and should never have taken seriously and taught in schools. Time has nothing to dilate. The pupils of your eyes can dilate. A woman in labor will dilate.
But Time has no such properties, granville. Have you ever seen time? Felt it? Tasted it? You are only conscious/aware of time because it has been ingrained into your Mind to keep appointments and such. If you live in the Arctic Circle where it is dark for most of the year, you lose some sense of time except for peeking at your watch to see what time it is. Even then, if your watch doesn't specify time of day as am and pm, you don't know when it's time to go to bed.

But in any case, time is the same everywhere because it doesn't dilate, nor does it ever stop or reverse.

gotta go. cya later.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (10) Sep 17, 2018
There is no such thing as "Time Dilation".


Tell that to muons!

https://en.wikipe..._sources
granville583762
3 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
There is only One Time that is our Time
SEU, True time is measured in 100% pure vacuum which is a shielded chronological device, by implication; time-dilation is time measured exposed to energy, matter and forces without shielding, because in a 100% pure vacuum or shielded, no time-dilation exists except only time.
granville583762
3 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
(JD:- Tell that to muons!) But does not the muon have a half-life with probability to decay?
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 17, 2018
(JD:- Tell that to muons!) But does not the muon have a half-life with probability to decay?


Errrr, yes. That is the point!

http://demonstrat...onDecay/
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
(JD:- Tell that to muons!) But does not the muon have a half-life with probability to decay?

Errrr, yes. That is the point!
http://demonstrat...onDecay/

Which comes to the next point, which is time-dilation, and length-contraction, in 2.2x10-06s.
Length contraction has the possibility to be equal or greater than 2.2x10-06s depending on the vagaries of the muons half-life with probability to decay in 2.2x10-06s or greater, then there is no need for Albert's length contraction
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 17, 2018
Lorenz length contraction as half-life muon dependant decay
This has a déjà vu about it, the muon decaying in greater that 2.2x10-06s allows the muon to travel a greater distance in the same time as light covers to the ground.
The upper atmosphere at 10,000km is 3.3x10-03s at the speed of light where by the muon at 2.2x10-06s takes only less than a blink of eye for 2.2x10-06s to be greater than 3.3x10-03s in the probably of the half-life on the muon in its vagaries of its decay resulting in only one conclusion, Abert's length contraction is not applicable to the muons half-life decay.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
The muon does not decay in motion, but decays at rest!
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
The muon does not decay in motion, but decays at rest!
This is a provable fact, as the muon would never be able to cross the distance of 10,000km and bury its self 700metres in rock where it decays - yes you guessed! It decays when it's firmly embedded 700metres in the rock at Rest!
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
The muon does not decay in motion, but decays at rest!
This is a provable fact, as the muon would never be able to cross the distance of 10,000km and bury its self 700metres in rock where it decays - yes you guessed! It decays when it's firmly embedded 700metres in the rock at Rest!


Really, dumbo? Just point to this finding in the scientific literature, as nothing you have to say is of any relevance, and is contradicted by actual scientists who understand science. You don't. Obviously.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
These muons are created light years distant by galactic collisions emitting cosmic rays in 2.2x10-06s

And here lies the problem JD, looking at your link and immersing ones self, as you have to, in the details, as written down, so as you can understand what Albert is saying, all is fine and dandy, till we step outside and the muons are raining down like the preverbal plague of locusts, the realities of what the muon is going through in actual fact is not written down by Albert in his time dilation.

As this point about the muon should be able to be put to rest as it cross's 10,000km, when a muon at 10,000km further up at 20,000km, does the 20,000km muon reach the ground in the same time as of 2.2x10-06s

Because JD, if we extrapolate to muons created even further up, as these cosmic rays in collision are forming pions as they are coming from distant galaxies including are own, this humble muon is crossing light years in 2.2x10-06s!
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
The vacuum is stretched and squashed simultaneously

And to further immerse one self in the 2.2x10-06s life cycle of the muon concerning time dilation and length contraction, muons are travelling in an infinite number of directions, as muons are approaching and passing each other in an infinite multiplicity of direction.

Consequently we have the vacuum stretched and squashed multiplicity, that it reaches a point that portions of the vacuum are stretched and squashed simultaneously!
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
These muons are created light years distant by galactic collisions emitting cosmic rays in 2.2x10-06s



Wrong. They are created in the Earth's atmosphere due to cosmic ray bombardment. It's pretty simple stuff.
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
Cosmic-rays interacting in the tenuous galactic clouds, producing muons that travel light years of the vacuum in 2.2x10-06s

The cosmic rays create pions in distant galaxies creating muons; the medium that cosmic rays interact with in the upper atmosphere exists in galaxies not just in the tenuous vacuum 10,000km above the earth.

As once a muon is created near earth or in galactic clouds, it travels the vacuum till it reaches its destination in 2.2x10-06s, usually a lump rock to imbed its self in!
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
Cosmic-rays interacting in the tenuous galactic clouds, producing muons that travel light years of the vacuum in 2.2x10-06s


Wrong. Again.

granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
The environmental conditions that exist 10,000km from earth, exist throughout the galaxy and distant galaxies.

The possibility the environmetal conditions only exist 10,000km from earth and nowhere else among the 2000billion galaxies that presently exist in the vacuum is so improbable; it's like winning the lottery every time you spend a dollar in Walmart buying your lottery ticket.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
The environmental conditions that exist 10,000km from earth, exist throughout the galaxy and distant galaxies.

The possibility the environmetal conditions only exist 10,000km from earth and nowhere else among the 2000billion galaxies that presently exist in the vacuum is so improbable; it's like winning the lottery every time you spend a dollar in Walmart buying your lottery ticket.


You really are stupid, aren't you? Which part of the following are you not understanding?

Muons arriving on the Earth's surface are created indirectly as decay products of collisions of cosmic rays with particles of the Earth's atmosphere.
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
That is exactly what I have said, and in other locations also, leading to muons crossing the vacuum, where some join forces with earthly muons all within the 2.2x10-06s irrespective of distance
HannaB
4 / 5 (4) Sep 17, 2018
How far some muon can "cross the vacuum" if it decays in two microseconds?
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
That is exactly what I have said, and in other locations also, leading to muons crossing the vacuum, where some join forces with earthly muons all within the 2.2x10-06s irrespective of distance


Nope. Totally wrong. Again. No muons are produced until the cosmic ray interacts with atoms in the Earth's atmosphere. If the cosmic rays hit anything along the way from where they were emitted, then the muons produced will decay in 2 microseconds. They are therefore not getting anywhere near Earth. Try to understand.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
Muons have no probability of decay
That is exactly what I have said, and in other locations also, leading to muons crossing the vacuum, where some join forces with earthly muons all within the 2.2x10-06s irrespective of distance


Nope. Totally wrong. Again. No muons are produced until the cosmic ray interacts with atoms in the Earth's atmosphere. If the cosmic rays hit anything along the way from where they were emitted, then the muons produced will decay in 2 microseconds. They are therefore not getting anywhere near Earth. Try to understand.

They then do not have the probability to decay, as they then do not have a half-life
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
They then do not have the probability to decay, as they then do not have a half-life


Give up you idiot.

https://www.quora...or-muons
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
This has a déjà vu about it
Lorenz length contraction as half-life muon dependant decay
This has a déjà vu about it, the muon decaying in greater that 2.2x10-06s allows the muon to travel a greater distance in the same time as light covers to the ground.
The upper atmosphere at 10,000km is 3.3x10-03s at the speed of light where by the muon at 2.2x10-06s takes only less than a blink of eye for 2.2x10-06s to be greater than 3.3x10-03s in the probably of the half-life on the muon in its vagaries of its decay resulting in only one conclusion, Abert's length contraction is not applicable to the muons half-life decay.

A JD Circular argument, as now the muon does not have a half-life, or does it – The circle of life continually completes its circle yet one more time!
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
A JD Circular argument, as now the muon does not have a half-life, or does it – The circle of life continually completes its circle yet one more time!


Why don't you go write your crap up somewhere, you feeble minded dolt?

granville583762
3.1 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
This humble Magic Muon

Probability of decay is half-life and then there is simply decay in a set definite time
This magical muon has half-life and decay simultaneous and separately all at the same time or independently - it truly is a Magic Muon, may be it imbeds its self in the muon fields where magic muons grow amongst the elves and pixies at play until the dwarfs and trolls from under the bridge emerge where the elves and pixies to the hills they flee.

These truly are contentious points, this half-life and simply decay may one day a solution be found, but not yet…
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
This humble Magic Muon
Probability of decay is half-life and then there is simply decay in a set definite time
This magical muon has half-life and decay simultaneous and separately all at the same time or independently - it truly is a Magic Muon, may be it imbeds its self in the muon fields where magic muons grow amongst the elves and pixies at play until the dwarfs and trolls from under the bridge emerge where the elves and pixies flee to the hill.
These truly are contentious points, this half-life and simply decay may one day a solution be found, but not yet…


Jesus H. Christ, what a load of idiotic word salad. Why do you bother?
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
It was going so well until you lost the thread JD, that was the basis of this magic muon - did it have half-life or simply decay?
granville583762
3 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
Does the muon have half-life or simply decay, because 2.2x10-06s is simply decay whereas half-life is 2.2x10-06s to 3.3x10-03s, as between half-life and simply decay is a very subtle difference!
granville583762
2.9 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
Because if the muon has half-life, it has the probability of 3.3x10-03s, which is the same time it takes light to cross 10,000km!
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 17, 2018
did it have half-life or simply decay?


WTF are you talking about? If it decays, it has a half-life.

http://hyperphysi...uon.html
dbob
5 / 5 (3) Sep 17, 2018
I'd like to ask a question, hopefully without stirring up more negative language.. I'm not a physicist, but thought that the idea of gravity seeping into other dimensions was intended as an explanation of why gravity is such a weak force compared to the other forces. If what we see as gravity already interacts with these other dimensions, how would this collision prove or disprove anything? The article states 'if gravity were leaking into other dimensions, the signal would be weaker..'. How could it be weaker if it already interacts with these other dimensions by default? There isn't any 'extra' leaking to detect.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
HannaB> How far some muon can "cross the vacuum" if it decays in two microseconds?

This is what amongst other things HannaB, as muons are created light years from the insignificant speck that is earth; it has not been exactly discerned, as the muon appears to have the probability of decay of a half-life
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
As looking through as to what JD has said, he does not appear to have said if the height is greater than 10,000km, will the muons still reach the ground in 2.2x10-06s or what ever HannaB.
granville583762
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 17, 2018
did it have half-life or simply decay?


WTF are you talking about? If it decays, it has a half-life.

http://hyperphysi...uon.html

Your ether on another planet JD, or you just do not get it?
Half-life is not decay there is a subtle difference..it is the probability of decay!
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 17, 2018
did it have half-life or simply decay?


WTF are you talking about? If it decays, it has a half-life.

http://hyperphysi...uon.html

Your ether on another planet JD, or you just do not get it?
Half-life is not decay there is a subtle difference..it is the probability of decay!


And if it has a half-life, you burke, it is because it decays. As measured. Now shut up you clown.
granville583762
3 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
You have to differentiate between half-life and decay-life
jonesdave> And if it has a half-life, you burke, it is because it decays. As measured. Now shut up you clown.

This is the difference, as half-life is an arbitrary life time, whereas decay-life is a specific life time and you cannot have the two coincidently!
For a muon to cross varying dimensions striking the ground or atoms in flight resulting in zero velocity then decay in 2.2x10-06s implies a decay life in a specific time, namely 2.2x10-06s
Because it has not been stated the maximum distance the muon can sustain in flight.
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 17, 2018
So far JD, you have not stated the maximum dimension the muon can sustain in flight, as presumably if Albert's length contraction is applied, the muon can sustain flight indefinitely!
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
So far JD, you have not stated the maximum dimension the muon can sustain in flight, as presumably if Albert's length contraction is applied, the muon can sustain flight indefinitely!


Why are you asking me? Go read up on it, or go ask the question on a physics forum, if you are really interested.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
Because now JD, we are not in the realms of half-life or decay, but something entirely different - Indefinite flight of the muon due to mathematical formula which is keeping the muon aloft indefinitely.

And your question: Why are you asking me? Is because the question cannot be discussed and dismissed arbitrarily when these points are in evidently going to be raised as long as the muon remains aloft:

It is settled in my mind, that muon does not decay in flight as only decaying at rest, decaying in a specific time – but this clear cut definition of reality is not born out in discussion JD!
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 17, 2018
Because now JD, we are not in the realms of half-life or decay, but something entirely different - Indefinite flight of the muon due to mathematical formula which is keeping the muon aloft indefinitely.


Complete gibberish.

It is settled in my mind


Who cares what is in your mind? You are not a scientist, nor even scientifically literate. What you think is of no relevance to actual science.

granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
Make it abundantly clear these questions cannot be answered JD.

There you are JD. You just do not get it - Instead of addressing the perception and the problem before you: Your attention wanders to a world of dwarfs and trolls from under the ugly troll bridges where monsters hide under stones JD. –

JD, If you cannot answer these types of questions do not put yourself in the way of these questions, and make it abundantly clear it is not possible for you to answer these questions, without referring the questioner to sources, let them do that on their shanks pony JD.
grandpa
2.3 / 5 (3) Sep 17, 2018
I think the proton neutron mass ratio could show extra dimensions as well.
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 17, 2018
JD, If you cannot answer these types of questions do not put yourself in the way of these questions, and make it abundantly clear it is not possible for you to answer these questions, without referring the questioner to sources, let them do that on their shanks pony JD.


Shut up you thick swine. Jesus, what a fruitloop.

Anonym262722
1.8 / 5 (5) Sep 18, 2018
LIGO/VIRGO bared a basic flaw of Einstein's starting point using closed Riemann 4-sphere as cosmological model, today corrected in Suntola Dynamic Universe (DU). The GR flaw dropped the metric dimension R4 of 4-radius by replacing it with a local time dimension and constant speed of light C along the 3-D space dimension. DU preserved the metric R4 dimension orthogonal to 3-D space direction and replaced GR constant C by the dynamic contraction/expansion speed C4 of R4 to balance the motion and gravitational energies of the total mass M in DU. The TRUE value of local C is decelerating with C4 but is observed constant as the DU energy balance law slows the ticking rate of atomic clocks at the same rate. Artificial expansion of LIGO tube lengths by factor 75-284 reached the limit d/dt(dC4/C4)= -1.15 10^-21/ms (-1/2 Hubble constant 71 km/s/1 M parsec) where the uniform gravitational pull was compensated fooling the GW postulate - proving Einstein and GR/QM assumptions of constant C WRONG!
savvys84
1 / 5 (5) Sep 18, 2018
here ya go extra spatial dimensions on a tabletop.
https://www.scrib...savvys84

never mind the 3 kooks that received the nobel prize for nothing. wtf is going on
jonesdave
3 / 5 (6) Sep 18, 2018
here ya go extra spatial dimensions on a tabletop.
https://www.scrib...savvys84

never mind the 3 kooks that received the nobel prize for nothing. wtf is going on


And the cranks keep coming!
savvys84
1 / 5 (5) Sep 19, 2018
here ya go extra spatial dimensions on a tabletop.
https://www.scrib...savvys84

never mind the 3 kooks that received the nobel prize for nothing. wtf is going on


And the cranks keep coming!

Prove me wrong you twit
jonesdave
3 / 5 (6) Sep 19, 2018
here ya go extra spatial dimensions on a tabletop.
https://www.scrib...savvys84

never mind the 3 kooks that received the nobel prize for nothing. wtf is going on


And the cranks keep coming!

Prove me wrong you twit


I don't need to. It is up to you to prove that you are right. That is how science works. Anyone can upload a bunch of junk on the internet. It means the square root of sod all.
savvys84
1 / 5 (3) Sep 20, 2018
JD
I have alreddy proved myself right, which you fail to understand and you cannot even express your doubts
jonesdave
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 20, 2018
JD
I have alreddy proved myself right, which you fail to understand and you cannot even express your doubts


No, you haven't. You've just uploaded a bunch of junk to the internet. It is garbage. Get it published in a respectable peer reviewed journal. Then it might be worth looking at. As it stands, no scientist is going to see it, let alone be bothered replying to it. Stick to engineering.
savvys84
2 / 5 (4) Sep 21, 2018
JD
I have alreddy proved myself right, which you fail to understand and you cannot even express your doubts


No, you haven't. You've just uploaded a bunch of junk to the internet. It is garbage. Get it published in a respectable peer reviewed journal. Then it might be worth looking at. As it stands, no scientist is going to see it, let alone be bothered replying to it. Stick to engineering.

All papers have been published in respectable international peer reviewed journal
Ojorf
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 21, 2018
All papers have been published in respectable international peer reviewed journal


LOL.

Not even close.

You really need to read this:
https://www.resea..._quality
savvys84
1 / 5 (1) Sep 22, 2018
All papers have been published in respectable international peer reviewed journal


LOL.

Not even close.

You really need to read this:
https://www.resea..._quality

Lol so in that case even nature physics is a fake journal.
How stupid can you get.

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