Almost 500 explosions found in galaxy cores

September 7, 2018, Radboud University
Artist impression of Gaia spacecraft. Credit: ESA–D. Ducros, 2013

Apart from a billion Milky Way stars, ESA's Gaia spacecraft also observes extragalactic objects. Its automated alert system notifies astronomers whenever Gaia spots a transient event. A team of astronomers have found out that by tweaking the existing automated system, Gaia can be used to detect hundreds of peculiar transients in the centres of galaxies. They found about 480 transients over a period of about a year. Their new method will be implemented in the system as soon as possible allowing astronomers to determine the nature of these events. The findings will be published in the November issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

In 2013, ESA launched its Gaia spacecraft to measure the location of a billion stars in the Milky Way and tens of millions of galaxies. Each position on the sky enters Gaia's view once every month, for a total of about 70 times during the mission. This allows the spacecraft to spot transient events, such as ripping stars apart or stars exploding as a supernova. Gaia will notice a change in brightness when it returns to the same patch of sky a month later. A team of astronomers from SRON, Radboud University and the University of Cambridge now report nearly 500 transients occurring in the centres of galaxies over a period of one year.

Astronomers Zuzanna Kostrzewa-Rutkowska, Peter Jonker (both affiliated with SRON and Radboud University), Simon Hodgkin and others searched the Gaia database for transient events around the nuclei of galaxies in the period between July 2016 and June 2017. They used a galaxy catalogue—from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey Release 12— and a custom-made mathematical tool. The new tool allows the researchers to identify rare luminous events coming from galactic centers. They dug up 480 events, of which only five were picked up before by the alert system.

Rapidly alerting the astronomical community is key for many of the events found. For about one hundred transients nothing out of the ordinary was observed by Gaia the month before and the month after detection, indicating that the event leading to the enhanced emission of light was short. 'Such events have great value because they could allow astronomers to study for a brief period previously invisible supermassive black holes,' says Jonker. 'Especially the short-duration events could point us to the location of the so far elusive ripping stars apart.'

The leading explanation for most events is that supermassive black holes residing in the nuclei of suddenly become much more active as the amount of gas falling into the black hole surges and lights up the close environment of the black hole. This fresh fuel may be extracted from a star which is ripped apart by the enormous gravitational pull of the black hole.

Peter Jonker, with Zuzanna Kostrzewa-Rutkowska and others from his group, has recently started a dense campaign to decipher the nature of the 480 new transients using the La Palma-based William Herschel Telescope.

Explore further: Image: Black hole bounty captured in the center of the Milky Way

More information: Z Kostrzewa-Rutkowska et al. Gaia transients in galactic nuclei, Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (2018). DOI: 10.1093/mnras/sty2221

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cantdrive85
1.3 / 5 (14) Sep 07, 2018
Cosmic thunderbolts, no scary black hole monsters needed.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 07, 2018
@ CD
Are you absolutely certain that it is caused by thunderbolts and not a BH? On what evidence do you base your argument on? I would like to believe you, but without substantial proof, you are only conjecturing. And your comment is too short to do much good for your side.

IMO, the BH's enormous attractive force pulls a Star's string of Plasma into the BH's environment, but in this scenario I am not sure that an immensely strong electrical field is built up.
If there were no Black Hole, then what chemical event would cause thunderbolts to occur?

I am an interested observer and a scholar here on a "need to know" basis. Thanks.
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (14) Sep 08, 2018
Black holes are faerie tales, non-existent maths constructs which has zero basis in reality.

That said, instabilities and exploding double layers occur in plasma all the time, at all scales.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe. But I will tell you this: the possibility of Black Holes in the actual Universe is frightening. Although we could never see one that might possibly affect our Solar System and, ultimately, all life on Earth - I do believe that there are many life forms in the Universe in many different stages of development who have been, or are in danger of their planet being drawn into a Black Hole - if such a thing exists.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.8 / 5 (10) Sep 08, 2018
As I am a Creationist, I can only say that I hope to God that you are right - that Black Holes don't really exist. As I am concerned about our animals whom we are supposed to protect, my thoughts also go to other planets and other "people" whom we may never meet due to the vast distance between their home and ours. I pray that they will be safe and enjoy happy lives.
It would depend on their level of progression as sentient beings, but I hope that if they are in a possible situation that their Star is going to explode, I hope that they have the science and the technology to get off their planet in order to survive.

Yes, I do worry about such things...even if it might seem silly.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2018
That is because I don't believe that God the Creator only created life on Earth and nowhere else in the Universe...and to believe that we are IT would be too anthropocentric, as well as believing in our own superiority without good cause and evidence.
jonesdave
3.9 / 5 (14) Sep 08, 2018
Cosmic thunderbolts, no scary black hole monsters needed.


Lol!

Black holes are faerie tales, non-existent maths constructs which has zero basis in reality.

That said, instabilities and exploding double layers occur in plasma all the time, at all scales.


Ditto.

Oh dear, why do these uneducated cranks always feel the need to comment on stuff they don't understand?

jonesdave
3.8 / 5 (17) Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe.


That would be due to the fact that there is no science in electric universe woo. Purely an extension of the loon Velikovsky's idiotic ramblings.
granville583762
3.4 / 5 (10) Sep 08, 2018
Doubled layered blackholes or the faerie tales
cantdrive85> Black holes are faerie tales, non-existent maths constructs which has zero basis in reality. That said, instabilities and exploding double layers occur in plasma all the time, at all scales.

I like it cantdrive85, doubled layered blackholes, is this your interpretation of the blackholes event horizon and its accretion disk - are they by any chance CD, quasi neutral electrical current sheets enveloping the event horizon where the faeries and elves and other less deleterious inhabitants of this world of where goblins and trolls exist CD.
cantdrive85
2.1 / 5 (14) Sep 08, 2018
You are almost correct, except double layers and current sheets are real. BH's, event horizons, goblins, trolls, and such are the same kind of faerie tales.
jonesdave
3.8 / 5 (13) Sep 08, 2018
You are almost correct, except double layers and current sheets are real. BH's, event horizons, goblins, trolls, and such are the same kind of faerie tales.


Show me a double layer or current sheet that can reproduce the orbits of the stars at the galactic centre. With the requisite maths and equations, of course.
Likewise, calculate how bright these non-existent exploding DLs would need to be, given the distances at which SDSS and Gaia are observing. Or just admit that you are making sh1t up, as usual.
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018
Show me a double layer or current sheet that can reproduce the orbits of the stars at the galactic centre.

jonesdumb resorts to logical fallacies once again. The central object is a plasmoid, double layers and instabilities are always associated with them. No invisible magic monsters or faerie dust required.
jonesdave
4.1 / 5 (14) Sep 08, 2018
Show me a double layer or current sheet that can reproduce the orbits of the stars at the galactic centre.

jonesdumb resorts to logical fallacies once again. The central object is a plasmoid, double layers and instabilities are always associated with them. No invisible magic monsters or faerie dust required.


Plasmoid? OK. Show me how a plasmoid can reproduce the orbits of the stars around Sgr A*, with the requisite maths and equations. Or point me to where it has been calculated. Otherwise, you are just making sh1t up, as usual.
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (10) Sep 08, 2018
The difference between suggesting plasmoids vs BH's?
Plasmoids are real physical objects, BH's are unfalsifiable non-physical maths constructs with no basis in reality. But you have an equation, so it must be real... LOL!
jonesdave
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018
The difference between suggesting plasmoids vs BH's?
Plasmoids are real physical objects, BH's are unfalsifiable non-physical maths constructs with no basis in reality. But you have an equation, so it must be real... LOL!


So you admit that you just made that sh1t up. That will come as no surprise to anyone. No science, hmmm? How very EU!
cantdrive85
1.5 / 5 (8) Sep 08, 2018
The math is there for those who look, Peratt included it in his papers he produced.
jonesdave
4 / 5 (12) Sep 08, 2018
The math is there for those who look, Peratt included it in his papers he produced.


Really? Which papers give the mass of the plasmoid, and calculate the orbits of the stars around Sgr A*?
I find it very unlikely that Peratt ever did such a thing. The absolute confirmation that Sgr A* was indeed at the centre of the galaxy, didn't come until 1999. As for the stars that orbit it, and its mass determination, that came from observations made from 1995 onwards.
So, he'll never have done those calculations. If he even knew of Sgr A*, he would have treated it merely as a radio source.
In short, those calculations have never been done, and a plasmoid is simply impossible as the object at the galactic centre.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Sep 08, 2018
According to Wiki:

Natural plasmoid produced in the near-Earth magnetotail by the magnetic reconnection.
A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields. Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning,[1][2] magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere,[3] and objects in cometary tails,[4] in the solar wind,[5][6] in the solar atmosphere,[7] and in the heliospheric current sheet. Plasmoids produced in the laboratory include field-reversed configurations, spheromaks, and in dense plasma focuses.

The word plasmoid was coined in 1956 by Winston H. Bostick (1916-1991) to mean a "plasma-magnetic entity":[8]

*The Plasma is emitted in the form of a Torus.*
jonesdave
3.8 / 5 (9) Sep 08, 2018
According to Wiki:

Natural plasmoid produced in the near-Earth magnetotail by the magnetic reconnection.
A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields. Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning,[1][2] magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere,[3] and objects in cometary tails,[4] in the solar wind,[5][6] in the solar atmosphere,[7] and in the heliospheric current sheet. Plasmoids produced in the laboratory include field-reversed configurations, spheromaks, and in dense plasma focuses.

The word plasmoid was coined in 1956 by Winston H. Bostick (1916-1991) to mean a "plasma-magnetic entity":[8]

*The Plasma is emitted in the form of a Torus.*


It's going to be one hell of a plasmoid at ~ 4m solar masses!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe.


That would be due to the fact that there is no science in electric universe woo. Purely an extension of the loon Velikovsky's idiotic ramblings.
says jonesy

EU is no more idiotic than the mysterious ramblings of Zwicky's "Dark Matter" woo - the hidden substance which is supposedly dependent on waving its magic wand onto unsuspecting bits of Matter in order for that Matter to react unexplainably, being due to the invisible Dark Matter's unusual qualities of nonconformity wrt its effect(s) on the optical nature/evidence of Matter/Energy.

Does Dark Matter/Dark Energy have atomic structure or not? If it does, then it should be readily detected with the proper instruments. If it still cannot be detected, then it does not exist. And if it doe not exist, then why do scientists pretend that it does?
jonesdave
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe.


That would be due to the fact that there is no science in electric universe woo. Purely an extension of the loon Velikovsky's idiotic ramblings.
says jonesy

EU is no more idiotic than the mysterious ramblings of Zwicky's "Dark Matter" woo - the hidden substance which is supposedly dependent on waving its magic wand onto unsuspecting bits of Matter in order for that Matter to react unexplainably, being due to the invisible Dark Matter's unusual qualities of nonconformity wrt its effect(s) on the optical nature/evidence of Matter/Energy.


What would you know? Are you qualified to assess either? No, would be the answer to that.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2018
According to Wiki:

Natural plasmoid produced in the near-Earth magnetotail by the magnetic reconnection.
A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields. Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning,[1][2] magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere,[3] and objects in cometary tails,[4] in the solar wind,[5][6] in the solar atmosphere,[7] and in the heliospheric current sheet. Plasmoids produced in the laboratory include field-reversed configurations, spheromaks, and in dense plasma focuses.

The word plasmoid was coined in 1956 by Winston H. Bostick (1916-1991) to mean a "plasma-magnetic entity":[8]

*The Plasma is emitted in the form of a Torus.*


It's going to be one hell of a plasmoid at ~ 4m solar masses!
says jonesy

And why not? The Universe is big enough to accommodate such natural entities, and growing even bigger.
A Plasma/Plasmoid in the shape of a Torus could encompass many things of many sizes.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe.


That would be (..)
says jonesy

EU is no more idiotic than the mysterious ramblings of Zwicky's "Dark Matter" woo - the hidden substance which is supposedly dependent on waving its magic wand onto unsuspecting bits of Matter in order for that Matter to react unexplainably, being due to the invisible Dark Matter's unusual qualities of nonconformity wrt its effect(s) on the optical nature/evidence of Matter/Energy.


What would you know? Are you qualified to assess either? No, would be the answer to that.


My qualifications are no concern of yours. You are not my University professor nor are you my employer. Let us just put it at that and be done with it. Yes?
jonesdave
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018


And why not? The Universe is big enough to accommodate such natural entities, and growing even bigger.
A Plasma/Plasmoid in the shape of a Torus could encompass many things of many sizes.


Why not? You wouldn't understand. Science really isn't your thing. Why not go ask on a physics forum, huh?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 08, 2018
How do you know that I haven't done so already? You are merely conjecturing about me and my qualifications, as well as my knowledge of science. You would do well to not involve yourself in the personal matters of others and just stick with the science.
jonesdave
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018
....and just stick with the science.


What science? That a giant plasmoid is mimicking a 4m solar mass object? And affecting the orbits of the stars at the galactic centre? Yep, great. Show me this 'science' in the scientific literature, and I'll assess it. Until then, it is just idiotic woo.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2018
"...Gaia spacecraft to measure the location of a billion stars in the Milky Way and tens of millions of galaxies. Each position on the sky enters Gaia's view once every month, for a total of about 70 times during the mission. This allows the spacecraft to spot transient events, such as supermassive black holes ripping stars apart or stars exploding as a supernova. Gaia will notice a change in brightness when it returns to the same patch of sky a month later. "

Gaia is truly an extraordinary instrument if it is able to assess the ripping apart of stars by Black Holes within a timeframe of only a month, by the process of comparing a present assessment with that of one in the past.
But it would have been so much more awesome if Gaia had been fitted with a motion camera also. Why scientists/Engineers don't think of these things, I would love to know.

Motion is key to understanding true sequence of events. Still shots are not quite as dramatic.
jonesdave
4.1 / 5 (9) Sep 08, 2018
Why scientists/Engineers don't think of these things, I would love to know.


They probably do. And there are probably very good reasons why they don't use them. Power consumption comes to mind. Plus, for an event taking months, what is the point?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2018
A Plasmoid in the shape of a Torus with a strong magnetic field could conceivably be attracted to a galaxy and stretch itself out so that it would enter and surround that galaxy from above or below it.
The Plasmoid could then "electrify"/energise the Matter that it encounters in varying degrees and in various parts of the Milky Way, for instance. This may be why lightning occurs in the skies of Earth. It might also mean that the Milky Way itself is a Torus.
This is only one possibility.

jonesy will not consider such a thing because jonesy is not open to new ideas, only that which is written in old textbooks that are no longer tenable.
jonesdave
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018
jonesy will not consider such a thing because jonesy is not open to new ideas, only that which is written in old textbooks that are no longer tenable.


Nope, I don't consider because it is complete crap. If you think otherwise, write it up. Otherwise you are competing with astrology, homeopathy etc. Nothing to do with science.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2018
Why scientists/Engineers don't think of these things, I would love to know.


They probably do. And there are probably very good reasons why they don't use them. Power consumption comes to mind. Plus, for an event taking months, what is the point?


Power consumption is not a valid excuse in this day and age - even in 2013 there was nuclear power as well as PV to power space telescopes. Curiosity has a nuclear power plant inside her. She was launched in 2012.

All the more reason why a motion camera should be included when it takes months, even years, to see exactly the processes of supernovae, and the possible Black Holes. The timed sequences of events and their duration needs to be seen and understood, instead of guesswork as to what had occurred during the interval between still shots.

Chalk it up to laziness on the part of these scientists/Engineers, etc. to be remiss in the inclusion of a monumentally necessary instrument such as the lowly motion camera.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 08, 2018
jonesy will not consider such a thing because jonesy is not open to new ideas, only that which is written in old textbooks that are no longer tenable.


Nope, I don't consider because it is complete crap. If you think otherwise, write it up. Otherwise you are competing with astrology, homeopathy etc. Nothing to do with science.


You are set in your ways and will not accept new science ideas until new textbooks are written that refute and cancel most of what you have learnt already.
But nobody gives a whit of concern whether or not you come to understand that you have stubbornly misunderstood many new things that are being learnt and validated as fact in the future.
jonesdave
3.4 / 5 (10) Sep 08, 2018
Why scientists/Engineers don't think of these things, I would love to know.


They probably do. And there are probably very good reasons why they don't use them. Power consumption comes to mind. Plus, for an event taking months, what is the point?


Power consumption is not a valid excuse in this day and age - even in 2013 there was nuclear power as well as PV to power space telescopes. Curiosity has a nuclear power plant inside her. She was launched in 2012.

All the more reason why a motion camera should be included when it takes months, even years, to see exactly the processes of supernovae, and the possible Black Holes. The timed sequences of events and their duration needs to be seen and understood, instead of guesswork as to what had occurred during the interval between still shots.
.


So, now you're a spacecraft engineer, as well?
jonesdave
3.4 / 5 (10) Sep 08, 2018
jonesy will not consider such a thing because jonesy is not open to new ideas, only that which is written in old textbooks that are no longer tenable.


Nope, I don't consider because it is complete crap. If you think otherwise, write it up. Otherwise you are competing with astrology, homeopathy etc. Nothing to do with science.


You are set in your ways and will not accept new science ideas until new textbooks are written that refute and cancel most of what you have learnt already.
But nobody gives a whit of concern whether or not you come to understand that you have stubbornly misunderstood many new things that are being learnt and validated as fact in the future.


I've told you - there is no science. Point to it, if you believe otherwise. It is just made up woo. Should I accept that Jack's beanstalk is possible? It has as much science behind it. One cannot accept something that doesn't even exist.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (9) Sep 08, 2018
One cannot accept something that doesn't even exist.


But you believe in free neutrons that you claim can exist for millions of years in violation of the immutable law of nuclear physics that a free neutron cannot exist for more than 14.7 minutes before decaying via beta decay.

Hmmmm, maybe there are some more things you believe exist that no one has ever seen? I know, you're good at invoking deities.
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (8) Sep 08, 2018
@cantdrive85.
The difference between suggesting plasmoids vs BH's?
Plasmoids are real physical objects, BH's are unfalsifiable non-physical maths constructs with no basis in reality...
If you have regard to known physics about the dynamics/instabilities inherent to plasmoid phenomena at all scales, then you must agree that IF those extreme objects we call Black Holes exist in reality, then they CANNOT BE PURELY PLASMOID features on such long time scales, because they would explode sooner rather than later. They therefore must be GRAVITATIONALLY constrained/stabilized by the cumulative effect/strength of gravitating matter aggregation and not just the E-M forces forming the alleged "BH" plasmoid (which said E-M forces would have torn it apart almost immediately after forming IF NO GRAVITATIONAL effects were present in its formation/maintenance).

@cantdrive, time to ditch those obviously wrong bits/claims; and stick with what is logically, plasma-reality, consistent.
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (12) Sep 08, 2018
One cannot accept something that doesn't even exist.


But you believe in free neutrons that you claim can exist for millions of years in violation of the immutable law of nuclear physics that a free neutron cannot exist for more than 14.7 minutes before decaying via beta decay.

Hmmmm, maybe there are some more things you believe exist that no one has ever seen? I know, you're good at invoking deities.


Sorry, but you simply do not understand the science of neutron stars, among many other things, so what you think is neither here nor there. Go read Oppenheimer. He knew a fair bit about it. Did some interesting work on nukes, as well.
Benni
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 08, 2018
Sorry, but you simply do not understand the science of neutron stars, among many other things, so what you think is neither here nor there


Ok, you were such a smart anthropology major at Uni Auckland, then you should be better able to explain how a DEGENERATE NEUTRON forms that can survive beyond the journey of the immutable 14.7 free neutron beta decay rate. And don't be invoking some deity as your excuse for your inability to explain it.

Why do you always need a link to explain why all the ghosty things you believe in never have pictures?
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (12) Sep 08, 2018
Sorry, but you simply do not understand the science of neutron stars, among many other things, so what you think is neither here nor there


Ok, you were such a smart anthropology major at Uni Auckland, then you should be better able to explain how a DEGENERATE NEUTRON forms that can survive beyond the journey of the immutable 14.7 free neutron beta decay rate. And don't be invoking some deity as your excuse for your inability to explain it.


Go read the literature, thicko. Plenty of scientific, peer-reviewed papers on it. And both of my degrees were astronomy related, f***wit. As opposed to the 'how to wash floors' course, which is likely the only course you have ever taken.
Just show me the refutation of neutron stars, and you won't have to explain anything. Know what, dumbo? It doesn't exist. This is all sh!t that a D-K affected loon, with the IQ of a badger, has dreamed up for himself, and doesn't have the balls to take to a physics forum. Do you, you fraud?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2018
@Benni
I don't recall your ever saying in any of your posts that Neutron Stars don't exist. Would you please enlighten us as to whether or not your understanding is that supernovae could become Neutron Stars.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (10) Sep 08, 2018
@ jones
Did one of both of your degrees in Anthropology that were somehow related to Astronomy also give you a C- grade for incivility toward your betters, and behaviour most reflective of a vicious dog protecting its cache of old bones? Such ferocity in your defense of your beliefs is unbecoming in a science website where children may come upon your vile rantings. Would you want your own children to learn such rude and vile language as you have heaped upon certain individuals here?
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (12) Sep 08, 2018
@ jones
Did one of both of your degrees in Anthropology that were somehow related to Astronomy also give you a C- grade for incivility toward your betters, and behaviour most reflective of a vicious dog protecting its cache of old bones? Such ferocity in your defense of your beliefs is unbecoming in a science website where children may come upon your vile rantings. Would you want your own children to learn such rude and vile language as you have heaped upon certain individuals here?


As long as they don't turn out to be scientifically illiterate, or religious fruitloops. Whatever.
Certain people here deserve everything they get. Anybody that comes on here calling scientists out as being stupid and ignorant, but doesn't have the balls to confront them, can do one, as far as I'm concerned. Time they learned to grow a pair, or STFU.
Benni
2.1 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018
Just show me the refutation of neutron stars
......simple, no links required, the immutable 14.7 minute beta decay rate of a free neutron & you can't prove a free neutron can have anything other than that.

If you think there exists an almost eternal degenerate neutron, then explain it, I just explained in only about a dozen words why there isn't & you can't refute it except to go off on another one of your foul mouth rants.

One would think with your claims of being an astronomer, that you would be so up to speed on degenerate neutron theory that you could explain it with such fluency that all the readers here would become totally lost for a cogent response.

( by the way, in case you didn't know that I already know it, degrees in Astronomy only require a very cursory study of Nuclear Physics, & none go so deep as to the depths of particle decay I've dragged you into that is so far over your head, happy slow drowning)
Benni
2.1 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018
@Benni
I don't recall your ever saying in any of your posts that Neutron Stars don't exist. Would you please enlighten us as to whether or not your understanding is that supernovae could become Neutron Stars.


No, they don't exist.

It's a Pop-Cosmology fantasy that there exists a 2 mile diameter body composed of a sub-atomic particle that can exist for only 14.7 minutes, but this is why you hear Pop-Cosmology use the term DEGENERATE NEUTRON & talk about such a particle as if it actually exists, none has EVER been isolated in the LHC.
jonesdave
3.8 / 5 (13) Sep 08, 2018
^^^^Benni, you are a complete f***wit, with no understanding of ANY science, as has been proven time and time again, you deranged idiot.
There is a web's worth of material on neutron degeneracy, you tosser. Go look at it. Why the f*** should I p1ss about with a loser like you, on a comments section with a 1000 character limit? Go to bloody school, you thick swine.
The whole of mainstream science does not depend on me explaining anything to a tosspot who is too stupid to understand it. Save your pocket money, and go buy a book, you semi-educated loon;

https://books.goo...;f=false
jonesdave
3.5 / 5 (13) Sep 08, 2018
No, they don't exist.


And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a retard in action. Lol.

https://arxiv.org...5840.pdf

Go refute it Benni, you jerk. It is accepted science. By scientists. You know - those people who actually went to school and college and got degrees, while you were frying burgers? Sorry, game over, they exist, and nobody is saying they don't, except a mentally deranged loon on a comments section. You lost. Read it and weep. Fool.
jonesdave
3.8 / 5 (13) Sep 08, 2018
( by the way, in case you didn't know that I already know it, degrees in Astronomy only require a very cursory study of Nuclear Physics, & none go so deep as to the depths of particle decay I've dragged you into that is so far over your head, happy slow drowning)


This from a clown who can't even do basic maths, thinks visible light doesn't heat things, and thinks a half-life is the time it takes for an atom to lose half of its mass! I kid you not. Complete waste of space.
Benni
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 08, 2018
It is accepted science. By scientists.
......No, ONLY by Pop-Cosmologists, none whom know anything about nuclear physics, you know, people like you, prolific with your foul mouthed rantings but 99.9% short on immutable laws of Nuclear Physics.
jonesdave
3.8 / 5 (13) Sep 08, 2018
It is accepted science. By scientists.
......No, ONLY by Pop-Cosmologist, none whom know anything about nuclear physics, you know, people like you, prolific with your foul mouthed rantings but 99.9% short on immutable laws of Nuclear Physics.


Benni, in case you haven't noticed, you know sh!t about nuclear physics, you fraud. Diddly squat. As shown.
jonesdave
3.8 / 5 (13) Sep 08, 2018
No, ONLY by Pop-Cosmologist, none whom know anything about nuclear physics....


Jesus, what a w***er! Oppenheimer knew nothing about nuclear physics, hmmmm? Love to see you take that to a physics forum, but we all know you haven't got the balls for that, eh Benji?
You heard it here first folks - Benni rates himself a better nuclear physicist than Oppenheimer!
(Big difference here is that Oppenheimer was a nuclear physicist, Benni isn't.)
Benni
2.1 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018
Benni, in case you haven't noticed, you know sh!t about nuclear physics, you fraud. Diddly squat. As shown.


Now, now you know this just can't be the case. It was from me you learned for the first time in your life that a free neutron has a 14.7 lifetime beta decay rate. Not only did you learn this from me, so did the entire company of the rant brigade. And the evidence for this is the fact there has never been a discussion in this chatroom during the history of my presence in it of the beta decay rate of a free neutron, and certainly not by you jonesy.

And now you're trying to tell us you are an astronomer without ever knowing this?
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (12) Sep 08, 2018
Benni, in case you haven't noticed, you know sh!t about nuclear physics, you fraud. Diddly squat. As shown.


Now, now you know this just can't be the case. It was from me you learned for the first time in your life that a free neutron has a 14.7 lifetime beta decay rate. Not only did you learn this from me, so did the entire company of the rant brigade. And the evidence for this is the fact there has never been a discussion in this chatroom during the history of my presence in it of the beta decay rate of a free neutron, and certainly not by you jonesy.

And now you're trying to tell us you are an astronomer without ever knowing this?


Yes, I knew it Benji, dear. We didn't need you to Google it, you prawn! That is why we ended up trying to explain to you what a half-life was, and you, being thick, totally failing to understand it! Jeez, what a clown.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 08, 2018
@ jones

Re: light/photon emitting heat
form Quora

Do photons emit heat?

Kenneth D. Oglesby
Kenneth D. Oglesby, Engineer, Scientist, Founder www.mcphysics.org
Answered Mar 10 2017 · Author has 2.7k answers and 393.9k answer views

Not at all. The term 'heat' really means the level of vibration of matter, mostly atoms and molecules. That vibration level increases when that atom absorbs photons, electrons, other matter with kinetic energy. That same atom can lose vibration when it emits a particle while giving it kinetic energy. Thus photons do not 'emit' anything, but they do carry or possess kinetic energy, which allows photons to give and take away vibration or 'heat'.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (9) Sep 08, 2018
we ended up trying to explain to you what a half-life was,
......and it is still incomprehensible to you why anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life, but you're an Astronomer (?), so I can see your problem, no comprehension of nuclear physics by your own admission.

I'm gonna run a check on that astronomy curriculum at Uni Auckland, I want to check what subject material is there presently & maybe as far back as 40 years ago. What would you like to wager the best I'll find are watered down versions of basic nuclear physics, certainly nothing that requires solutions via Differential Equations because we already know you don't know what those are having already claimed you took them in a high school algebra course.
cantdrive85
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 08, 2018
Which papers give the mass of the plasmoid

The mass of the plasmoid is irrelevant, PC/EU are not a gravity only cosmology. Current density of the interacting Birkeland currents is a more important consideration.

Here is a paper which discusses plasmoids as being the source for the transient events;
https://arxiv.org...10.01700
If you have regard to known physics about the dynamics/instabilities inherent to plasmoid phenomena at all scales, then you must agree that IF those extreme objects we call Black Holes exist in reality, then they CANNOT BE PURELY PLASMOID

Sure it can, electric forces are 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity. Peratt's models were fully inclusive of GR, it just didn't make a difference whether it was or wasn't included.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (8) Sep 08, 2018
@ jones

Scott M. Auerbach, a theoretical chemist at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst offers a more detailed answer:

"Light from the sun excites electrons in the atoms which constitute the brick wall. How does that electronic energy get converted to heat, you ask. The key is 'radiationless transitions.' Here's how it works: the atoms of the brick are perpetually vibrating. Some of those atoms vibrate sufficiently vigorously that their vibrational energy is roughly equal to the electronic energy (photons) absorbed from the sun--in essence, they are in resonance with the solar energy. Those atoms then make a quantum transition from 'electronically excited' to 'vibrationally excited,' meaning that the energy causes the whole atom to move. We feel that motion as "heat." The atoms which make the jump to vibrational excitation soon collide into neighboring atoms, dissipating their vibrational energy throughout the entire brick, making the brick hot th
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (12) Sep 08, 2018
we ended up trying to explain to you what a half-life was,
......and it is still incomprehensible to you why anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life, but you're an Astronomer (?), so I can see your problem, no comprehension of nuclear physics by your own admission.



Hey, sh!t for brains, you don't even understand beta decay, you fraud. As has been pointed out before. And you just proved it again, idiot. Does carbon-14 undergo beta-decay? Does it have a half-life? Did you ever attend school? High school physics, flunked by the deranged D-K loon Benji!
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (12) Sep 08, 2018
Which papers give the mass of the plasmoid

The mass of the plasmoid is irrelevant, PC/EU are not a gravity only cosmology. Current density of the interacting Birkeland currents is a more important consideration.

Here is a paper which discusses plasmoids as being the source for the transient events;
https://arxiv.org...10.01700
If you have regard to known physics about the dynamics/instabilities inherent to plasmoid phenomena at all scales, then you must agree that IF those extreme objects we call Black Holes exist in reality, then they CANNOT BE PURELY PLASMOID

Sure it can, electric forces are 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity. Peratt's models were fully inclusive of GR, it just didn't make a difference whether it was or wasn't included.


Peratt's models were sh!t. Why do you think they are not taken seriously? Even by himself any more, apparently. They were junk.
jonesdave
3.7 / 5 (12) Sep 08, 2018
@ jones

Scott M. Auerbach, a theoretical chemist at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst offers a more detailed answer:

"Light from the sun excites electrons in the atoms which constitute the brick wall. How does that electronic energy get converted to heat, you ask. The key is 'radiationless transitions.' Here's how it works: the atoms of the brick are perpetually vibrating. Some of those atoms vibrate sufficiently vigorously that their vibrational energy is roughly equal to the electronic energy (photons) absorbed from the sun--in essence, they are in resonance with the solar energy. Those atoms then make a ......


Yes, I know. Visible light produces heating. Tell it to the idiot Benni. Nuclear physics isn't the only subject in which he is totally clueless.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2018
@ jones

I don't thing that you quite understand that it isn't the light/photon itself that does the heating. Read the first one.
"Do photons emit heat?

Kenneth D. Oglesby
Kenneth D. Oglesby, Engineer, Scientist, Founder www.mcphysics.org
Answered Mar 10 2017 · Author has 2.7k answers and 393.9k answer views

Not at all. The term 'heat' really means the level of vibration of matter, mostly atoms and molecules. That vibration level increases when that atom absorbs photons, electrons, other matter with kinetic energy. That same atom can lose vibration when it emits a particle while giving it kinetic energy. Thus photons do not 'emit' anything, but they do carry or possess kinetic energy, which allows photons to give and take away vibration or 'heat'."
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 08, 2018
Heat is not the same thing as light. For instance, fireflies and some sea creatures who live in deep trenches emit light - but they don't emit heat.
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (11) Sep 08, 2018


Not at all. The term 'heat' really means the level of vibration of matter, mostly atoms and molecules. That vibration level increases when that atom absorbs photons, electrons, other matter with kinetic energy. That same atom can lose vibration when it emits a particle while giving it kinetic energy. Thus photons do not 'emit' anything, but they do carry or possess kinetic energy, which allows photons to give and take away vibration or 'heat'."


We are talking about visible light. That is light in the wavelength ~ 400 - 700 nm. And yes it does heat objects. It will be absorbed, causing vibration in the atoms of the substance, which heats it up, which heat will then be re-emitted as IR. Nobody ever said anything about visible light photons, or IR photons or any other kind. I am not going through this again.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 08, 2018
Light/photons are massless, which means light/photon is Energy, but not Matter. The Matter that is picked up is the source of heat as that Matter vibrates. The light/photon is not the source.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 08, 2018
from Wiki

"Thermal radiation is electromagnetic radiation generated by the thermal motion of charged particles in matter. All matter with a temperature greater than absolute zero emits thermal radiation. Particle motion results in charge-acceleration or dipole oscillation which produce electromagnetic radiation."

Visible light is not the same as infrared, although both could be carried together, such as in a heating lamp.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018

https://phys.org/...ays.html

Now THIS above link is more or less the equivalent of what I was referring to when I had mentioned earlier wrt the Plasmoid stretching itself to envelop a galaxy.

To wit:
"A Plasmoid in the shape of a Torus with a strong magnetic field could conceivably be attracted to a galaxy and stretch itself out so that it would enter and surround that galaxy from above or below it.
The Plasmoid could then "electrify"/energise the Matter that it encounters in varying degrees and in various parts of the Milky Way, for instance. This may be why lightning occurs in the skies of Earth. It might also mean that the Milky Way itself is a Torus."
granville583762
2.9 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
All energy is frequency and wave
Nucleons oscillate, the De Broglie Frequency - the nucleons oscillate with frequency, we sense the atoms oscillating on our skin as the room temperature rise's - heat is oscillation, frequency and wave - it cannot be over said all energy is oscillation as a photon defines its status by gamma-rays by it frequency
It is the effects of these oscillations on matter cause the matter to glow and radiate heat in the electro-magnetic spectrum that is perceived as heat
As all energy is frequency and wave it is massless with zero temperature - it is energy of motion as it is kinetic energy just as inertial mass under gravitational motion and acceleration does not change it temperature as gravity increases its kinetic energy
granville583762
2.9 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
Vibrating atoms hitting the hairs on our skin convert these vibrations into electrical signals to the brain which converts it to sensation of heat
SEU> "Light from the sun excites electrons in the atoms which constitute the brick wall. How does that electronic energy get converted to heat, you ask. The key is 'radiationless transitions. the atoms of the brick are perpetually vibrating. Some atoms vibrate sufficiently their vibrational energy is roughly equal to the electronic energy (photons) absorbed from the sun-- they are in resonance with the solar energy. Those atoms then make a quantum transition from 'electronically excited' to 'vibrationally excited,' meaning that the energy causes the whole atom to move. We feel that motion as "heat." The atoms which make the jump to vibrational excitation soon collide into neighboring atoms, dissipating their vibrational energy throughout the entire brick, making the brick hot.

We our tacitly linked to the femto-world of atoms
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (11) Sep 09, 2018
......and it is still incomprehensible to you why anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life, but you're an Astronomer (?), so I can see your problem, no comprehension of nuclear physics by your own admission.



Hey, sh!t for brains, you don't even understand beta decay, you fraud. As has been pointed out before. And you just proved it again, idiot. Does carbon-14 undergo beta-decay? Does it have a half-life? Did you ever attend school? High school physics, flunked by the deranged D-K loon Benji!


Has Benni, by some miracle or other, finally realised, with this little exchange, not to mention others, that he has been found out? That he doesn't even understand high school physics? Has he finally embarrassed himself so much, that not even his D-K addled brain will allow him to come back on here, claiming to know the first thing about any sort of physics? One can only hope!
Bookmarked.
jonesdave
3.4 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
If there is anybody left on here who thinks Benni knows anything about nuclear physics (or any other sort of physics), then I have something you might be interested in;

http://www.return...sale.jpg
Benni
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
If there is anybody left on here who thinks Benni knows anything about nuclear physics (or any other sort of physics), then I have something you might be interested in


Then you be the one in your own words to explain a DEGENERATE NEUTRON.

Why is it that the more I keep prodding you to explain DN, your responses simply become increasingly shrill & foul mouthed? But you're an Astronomer expressing a trademark of your profession? Just like Fritz Zwicky the godfather of dark matter, those who disagreed with him he labeled "spherical bastards", a label he gave Einstein because Einstein disagreed with so much of Zwicky's zany ideas.
RNP
3.5 / 5 (13) Sep 09, 2018
@Benni
If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!

Degeneracy requires multiple fermions (such as neutrons) that have contracted into a state where the Pauli exclusion principle forbids further compression. The Wikipedia page gives a simple-to-understand description of degeneracy (if you actually care to learn something); https://en.wikipe...e_matter

P.S. Want to learn more? White dwarf properties are dominated by electron degeneracy.
granville583762
3 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
Hanging out the Washing
@Benni If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!
Degeneracy requires multiple fermions (such as neutrons) that have contracted into a state where the Pauli exclusion principle forbids further compression. The Wikipedia page gives a simple-to-understand description of degeneracy (if you actually care to learn something); https://en.wikipe...e_matter
P.S. Want to learn more? White dwarf properties are dominated by electron degeneracy.

Benni's hanging you both out dry RNP, if you're entering the fray!
Benni
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
One would think with your claims of being an astronomer, that you would be so up to speed on degenerate neutron theory that you could explain it with such fluency that all the readers here would become totally lost for a cogent response.


>jonesy.......I did a check on your claim that you studied Astronomy at Uni Auckland, you will never guess what I discovered, that there is no Astronomy curriculum there. But I do recall clearly that you have stated in past Comments that you spent a year in the Anthropology curriculum there, and this I can believe because there is an Anthropology curriculum there. Just some etymological misspellings on your part?
Benni
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
@Benni
If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!


I informed you of this a long time back that degenerate neutrons don't exist, it's jonesy YOU need to convince. In fact mister freelance journalist, I'm the one who originally informed the entirety of this chatroom months ago of their non-existence, I see you learned the lesson well.

So now what do you Pop-Cosmology aficionados foresee as the pathway for a free neutron that can exist for millions of years & never undergo 14.7 minute beta decay?

There has never been isolation in the LHC of a free neutron exceeding the 14.7 minute beta decay rate except by small instrumentation error of fractions of a second.
cantdrive85
2 / 5 (8) Sep 09, 2018
And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. The 500 or so transient events in and around galactic cores. I suggested plasmoids and being the cause, followed by ridicule and a challenge to show it in the scientific literature.

https://arxiv.org...10.01700

What do you know? And the resulting discussion? Crickets. Continued willful ignorance, conveniently ignored in favor of a discussion about degenerates. Although it is amusing to ridicule degenerates like jonesdumb and DNP, it is quite off topic. Anyone like to show how or why plasmoids could not explain these explosive events?
RNP
3.3 / 5 (12) Sep 09, 2018
@Benni
I informed you of this a long time back that degenerate neutrons don't exist, ....

You are incapable of understanding even the simplest explanations, aren't you?

Degenerate neutrons (plural) exist, as evidenced by all the observation/references you have been given but been unwilling or unable to consider or read.

Your silly request for a description of A degenerate neutron (singular) shows your ignorance of what degeneracy means.

There has never been isolation in the LHC of a free neutron exceeding the 14.7 minute beta decay rate except by small instrumentation error of fractions of a second.

This is simply;
1) a fabrication (the LHC does not contain neutrons, so it has never even attempted to measure the neutron half-life).
2) JUST PLAIN WRONG. You have been shown multiple times that the neutron has a HALF-LIFE of just over 10.3 mins (an AVERAGE lifetime of 14.7 mins). Here it is again; https://en.wikipe...n_decay.
jonesdave
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 09, 2018
One would think with your claims of being an astronomer, that you would be so up to speed on degenerate neutron theory that you could explain it with such fluency that all the readers here would become totally lost for a cogent response.


>jonesy.......I did a check on your claim that you studied Astronomy at Uni Auckland, you will never guess what I discovered, that there is no Astronomy curriculum there. But I do recall clearly that you have stated in past Comments that you spent a year in the Anthropology curriculum there, and this I can believe because there is an Anthropology curriculum there. Just some etymological misspellings on your part?


I have no idea what they offer these days, you creepy cnut. I did astronomy. End of. And I know a damn sight more about nuclear physics than you do. Obviously.
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (11) Sep 09, 2018
And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. The 500 or so transient events in and around galactic cores. I suggested plasmoids and being the cause, followed by ridicule and a challenge to show it in the scientific literature.


Lol. What a tosser! Linking to a paper on black holes, which need to exist for the plasma conditions to arise! Talk about killing your own argument! Listen, thicko; explain the orbits of the stars in the galactic centre without recourse to a 4m solar mass entity. Go. With maths and equations.

jonesdave
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 09, 2018
@RNP,

You are wasting your time! This is the idiot who claims to know nuclear physics, but said;

.....and it is still incomprehensible to you why anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life..


And then still has the barefaced cheek to come back on here as if he's never said it!
It is quite obvious that Benni has never studied any kind of science.

jonesdave
3 / 5 (12) Sep 09, 2018
Hanging out the Washing
@Benni If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!
Degeneracy requires multiple fermions (such as neutrons) that have contracted into a state where the Pauli exclusion principle forbids further compression. The Wikipedia page gives a simple-to-understand description of degeneracy (if you actually care to learn something); https://en.wikipe...e_matter
P.S. Want to learn more? White dwarf properties are dominated by electron degeneracy.

Benni's hanging you both out dry RNP, if you're entering the fray!


Shut up Granville - you are as clueless as the idiot Benji. Go back to learning English.
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (12) Sep 09, 2018
And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. The 500 or so transient events in and around galactic cores. I suggested plasmoids and being the cause, followed by ridicule and a challenge to show it in the scientific literature.


Lol. What a tosser! Linking to a paper on black holes, which need to exist for the plasma conditions to arise! Talk about killing your own argument! Listen, thicko; explain the orbits of the stars in the galactic centre without recourse to a 4m solar mass entity. Go. With maths and equations.



Whoops, and magnetic reconnection, as well! Glad to see you catching up with the times, cantthink! Did you read it? Seems not. Just did a search on key words, and linked the first thing that popped out. Dear me.
Benni
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
>RNP
If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!


>RNP
Degenerate neutrons (plural) exist, as evidenced by all the observation/references you have been given


I guess you just can't make up your mind is that it RNP? In one post you disclaim a degenerate neutron exists only to claim in the next post it does exist. So why don't you just come up with the observational collider data evidence that there's such a thing as a free neutron that exists for longer than 14.7 minutes.

You come to a fork in the road & you take the fork, gosh that's gotta be a world of hurting no matter how spindly your legs may be.

Hey, Rguy, tell me, when is the very first time in your journalism career that you learned a free neutron has a 14.7 minute LIFETIME decay rate, then poof it's gone, never to return? You learned it here from Benni at same time jonesy learned it for the first time in his anthropology career.
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (11) Sep 09, 2018


Hey, Rguy, tell me, when is the very first time in your journalism career that you learned a free neutron has a 14.7 minute LIFETIME decay rate, then poof it's gone, never to return? You learned it here from Benni at same time jonesy learned it for the first time in his anthropology career.


Shut it, idiot. You have been found out, you fraud. If I were you, I'd disappear.
Go look in the scientific literature, you frigging fruitloop. Better still, get an education. In physics.
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (11) Sep 09, 2018
You learned it here from Benni at same time jonesy learned it for the first time in his anthropology career.


Nope. High school physics, iirc. And if what you said were true, then how embarrassing that an anthropologist has to point out your horrific errors in nuclear physics, re beta decay, and half-life? Oh dear.

Benni
2.1 / 5 (11) Sep 09, 2018
>jonesy
I have no idea what they offer these days, you creepy cnut. I did astronomy. End of. And I know a damn sight more about nuclear physics than you do. Obviously.
....... oh yes, including the Differential Equations you claim you learned in your high school algebra class.

RNP
3.5 / 5 (13) Sep 09, 2018
@Benni
I guess you just can't make up your mind is that it RNP? In one post you disclaim a degenerate neutron exists only to claim in the next post it does exist.


Sigh!.....You don't read my posts, do you?

You don't even try to understand what I am saying, do you?

For your own sanity, I suggest you take a careful look at your motivations for posting here, because it is obviously nothing to do with science.

jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (11) Sep 09, 2018
>jonesy
I have no idea what they offer these days, you creepy cnut. I did astronomy. End of. And I know a damn sight more about nuclear physics than you do. Obviously.
....... oh yes, including the Differential Equations you claim you learned in your high school algebra class.



Well, you don't even understand basic maths, do you? Want me to link it again? How does it feel, claiming to be competent in nuclear physics, and having to have your schoolboy errors pointed out to you by people that you claim are a journalist and an anthropologist? Me? I'd be so embarrassed that I'd never post here again. It'll be interesting, from a Dunning-Kruger POV, to see what happens.

Differential equations, my arse! I suspect you need a calculator to figure out how many fingers you possess!
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (12) Sep 09, 2018
Any plumbers, or bricklayers in the house? We need you to also explain to Benni where he is going wrong with this nuclear physics lark that he claims, fraudulently, to understand. Many thanks.
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
Linking to a paper on black holes, which need to exist for the plasma conditions to arise!

So you're suggesting there are mini black holes on the Sun creating the plasmoids they are referring to as being an analog? We know how to create plasmoids in the lab, Bostick was doing it way back in 1956 when he was shooting two plasmoids at each other which revealed a galactic spiral shape which was the basis of Peratt's simulations of galactic formation. As above, so below...
Clearly you are utterly ignorant of the science, check the papers, there are no black holes required. Just electric currents.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (9) Sep 09, 2018
I guess you just can't make up your mind is that it RNP? In one post you disclaim a degenerate neutron exists only to claim in the next post it does exist.


You don't read my posts, do you? You don't even try to understand what I am saying, do you?


Sure I do, like this:

>RNP
If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!


and:

>RNP
Degenerate neutrons (plural) exist, as evidenced by all the observation/references you have been given


Whether the quantity be one free neutron or one million, none will have a beta lifetime decay rate exceeding 14.7 minutes, therefore the AVERAGE decay rate cannot be 14.7 minutes.

I suggest you take a careful look at your math skills for calculating an AVERAGE, because they obviously nothing to do with science, just a Pop-Cosmology fantasy.
Benni
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
>jonesy
having to have your schoolboy errors pointed out to you by people that you claim are a journalist and an anthropologist? Me?


"Me"?, yeah, you, after all you're the one claiming to have majored in astronomy at the University of Auckland, NZ, a university that mot only does not presently have such a major in it's curriculum, but in fact has NEVER had such a major in it's curriculum, however it has ALWAYS had an anthropology major in it's curriculum, just the subject material you told us sometime back that you had been majoring in. Yeah, you gave it away back a long time ago & you just forgot about it hoping I would too, right?

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
cantdrive85
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 09, 2018
an anthropologist? Me?

That would explain why he is so afraid of Velikovsky and catastrophism. It is a direct challenge to relevance of his education and career, which isn't much at all.
granville583762
3.5 / 5 (8) Sep 09, 2018
Finally in print, the Decay of Neutrons into pristine protons and pristine electrons
scientificamerican> Beam experiments have been going on for more than 30 years, with the leaders in the field located at NIST. Their best, latest beam results, published in 2013, measured the neutron lifetime at 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds.

Neutron decay, 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds - thanks SEU
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 09, 2018

https://www.scien...physics/

says I

There seems to be a discrepancy between the beam experiment and the bottle experiment results, where both experiments are used to determine the true age (in minutes and seconds) of the free neutron before, or just at the moment it decays. A difference of ~9 seconds is a lot of time, in Quantum timeframes.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 09, 2018
an anthropologist? Me?

That would explain why he is so afraid of Velikovsky and catastrophism. It is a direct challenge to relevance of his education and career, which isn't much at all.
says CD

I will make a point of reading Immanuel Velikovsky's book, "Worlds in Collision", and any others I may find. I suppose the title of his book is in reference to the concept of planets banging about within a trajectory to collide with each other - similar to a game of billiards where the cue stick hits upon the white ball, which careens wildly into the other balls, knocking them into each other and into side pockets.
Very interesting concept, and if I am not mistaken, I would say that the possibility that worlds that collide elsewhere in the Universe is not an untoward method/process of recycling spent Mass that has broken up in that process. The Mass may then be held in reserve for future planet-building, unless it is too close to the possible Black Hole.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 09, 2018
Finally in print, the Decay of Neutrons into pristine protons and pristine electrons
scientificamerican> Beam experiments have been going on for more than 30 years, with the leaders in the field located at NIST. Their best, latest beam results, published in 2013, measured the neutron lifetime at 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds.

Neutron decay, 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds - thanks SEU
says granville

...which adds up to 14 minutes .795 without the +/- 3.1 seconds by my trusty calculator.
But even with that mysterious discrepancy of ~9 seconds, it still is not far off the mark of under 15 minutes death watch for poor Miss Neutron.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 09, 2018
LOL I have just realised that I have been anthropomorphising Neutrons and Protons. Perhaps jonesy has some knowledge as a graduate of Anthropology as to why I find it easy to do this. Could it be something in my role as an Environmentalist and friend to all animals?
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
Immanuel Velikovsky - Worlds in Collision
Read his book SEU, understand it, but do not absorb it or ascribe directly to his theories - apparently they consumed him when he fell ill with diabetes even though they were his own idea's as when milnic could not convert me to SEU (his religion) he promptly left – these are far eastern ideologies that do not mix with the Anglo-Saxon world and now we have a soul in distress over the very same Velikovsky ideology of his own interpretation and has totally consumed him with Velikovskian.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (9) Sep 09, 2018
Finally in print, the Decay of Neutrons into pristine protons and pristine electrons
scientificamerican> Beam experiments have been going on for more than 30 years, with the leaders in the field located at NIST. Their best, latest beam results, published in 2013, measured the neutron lifetime at 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds.


There seems to be a discrepancy between the beam experiment and the bottle experiment results, where both experiments are used to determine the true age (in minutes and seconds) of the free neutron before, or just at the moment it decays. A difference of ~9 seconds is a lot of time, in Quantum timeframes.


Neutron decay, 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds - thanks SEU
......just think instrumentation error guys, I deal with it nearly every day in our spectroscopy lab.

granville583762
3.9 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
The application of Anthropology and neutron decay to Mrs. Neutrons offspring
SEU:- How is one experiment extending the life of the neutron, or is it the point at which there measuring the decay that is creating the 6 second difference anomaly
Anthropology, the study of humans and human behaviour and societies in the past and present, considering the unusual language and logic that is difficult to fathom, Anthropology seems a very apt subject to study
granville583762
3.9 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
50 shades of grey
Expectations of anthropologically neutralised decay and the only contentious point was instrumentation error and only give or take 5 seconds come to that, the calamitous amorphous decay was anticlimactic in its errors
There's life in this old neutron yet...
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
50 shades of grey
Expectations of anthropologically neutralised decay and the only contentious point was instrumentation error and only give or take 5 seconds come to that, the calamitous amorphous decay was anticlimactic in its errors
There's life in this old neutron yet...


> granDy!!!!!!!!!!

Just what would this place be like without you me me here to tear up a few eyeballs now & then, I know how to start &you know how to finish.
RealityCheck
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
@Surveillance_Egg_Unit.

https://www.scien...physics/
There seems to be a discrepancy between the beam experiment and the bottle experiment results, where both experiments are used to determine the true age (in minutes and seconds) of the free neutron before, or just at the moment it decays. A difference of ~9 seconds is a lot of time, in Quantum timeframes.
Have those experimentalists factored in effect of time-dilation to lifetimes of the faster-moving (ie, speedier in-Beam) Neutrons?

These should differ markedly from lifetimes of slower-moving Bottle-trapped Neutrons; since bottle-trapped Neutron speeds slowed, as they lose external-kinetic and internal-excitation energy/vibration 'speed' due to collisions with themselves and with bottle walls.

Measured in frame of laboratory clock, beaming (speedier) Neutrons *should* 'live longer' than trapped (slowed) Neutrons, shouldn't they? :)
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
These should differ markedly from lifetimes of slower-moving Bottle-trapped Neutrons


Why would "speed" have anything to do with it? One mile per hour or one million, so what? It's about TIME so far as anyone can figure out.

I know you are suggesting time dilation effects, but at the velocities these things are already traveling it's just guesswork if you ask me. Instrumentation error still seems a more likely cause of events, we just usually throw this stuff away in our lab, but we don't need that kind of accuracy anyway so maybe it's just beside the point.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 09, 2018

https://www.scien...physics/

RC asked:
Have those experimentalists factored in effect of time-dilation to lifetimes of the faster-moving (ie, speedier in-Beam) Neutrons?

These should differ markedly from lifetimes of slower-moving Bottle-trapped Neutrons; since bottle-trapped Neutron speeds slowed, as they lose external-kinetic and internal-excitation energy/vibration 'speed' due to collisions with themselves and with bottle walls.

Measured in frame of laboratory clock, beaming (speedier) Neutrons *should* 'live longer' than trapped (slowed) Neutrons, shouldn't they? :)

I am not a believer in Time-dilation as it is not possible to dilate, dilute, delete or deplete Time. Time may only seem to stop or slow, but it only SEEMS that way according to the mind of the observer. And it certainly cannot reverse except in science fiction novels.

I agree that the use of a bottle stifles Neutron movement.

-CONTINUED-
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 09, 2018
-CONTINUED-
The beam method seems to me to be a more natural way to catch and cull speeding free Neutrons. Neutrons in outer space of a natural setting are not encumbered and imprisoned in a narrow environment. So the researchers have a new plan that will prevent such a restrictive environment so that Miss Neutron can party all she wants. :)

I think that the speed of freeNeutrons don't affect the amount of time that they have before they decay. The clock is ticking but - if only (puff) she can get over (puff puff) that next hill (puff) before the alarm bell sounds.
:)
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
the use of a bottle stifles Neutron movement.
.......about this i have very serious doubts.

The differences between the measurements are more likely caused by the inherent differences of the instrument's sensitivity. Every measuring technique has inherent differences from another instrument, and judging from the extremely small differences being measured it's seems to be more about the sensitivity of the instrumentation than velocity of the neutron.

I'll just bet if we knew the instrumentation error we would find considerable overlap above & below the actual time of decay which must be exactly the same for all neutrons.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 09, 2018
@RC
(off topic)
Are you aware that those from Australia who refer to themselves as "Aussie" have no rightful claim to that appellation UNLESS one of more of their ancestors arrived in Australia on a convict prison ship from England? Before the War of Independence, England had been sending their convicts to America to get them out of England. They were mostly petty thieves, as murderers were hung forthwith in England and never set foot in America, But after the American Revolutionary War, England had no other place to send their convicts but Australia.
So it is really a "sense of pride" that real Aussies have to have ancestry going back to convict ships. There were convict ships to America also and those who fought the British helped establish the USA.
Many Americans don't even know of their ties to the convict ships.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
the use of a bottle stifles Neutron movement.
.......about this i have very serious doubts.

The differences between the measurements are more likely caused by the inherent differences of the instrument's sensitivity. Every measuring technique has inherent differences from another instrument, and judging from the extremely small differences being measured it's seems to be more about the sensitivity of the instrumentation than velocity of the neutron.

I'll just bet if we knew the instrumentation error we would find considerable overlap above & below the actual time of decay which must be exactly the same for all neutrons.

says Benni

Yes. And the calibration is extremely sensitive and could differ quite a bit from one lab to another, where differences in room temps, humidity and other factors, even the tilt of a table, could change the quality of the calibration. I am just saying what you have already said - in a slightly different way.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 09, 2018
But the bottle method is not explained well - is the bottle of the same proportion and size throughout? Or is there a narrow neck? The article doesn't specify.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 09, 2018
But the bottle method is not explained well - is the bottle of the same proportion and size throughout? Or is there a narrow neck? The article doesn't specify.


Somebody try to do some data mining on this writeup. The most important thing we need to know is about how the measurement techniques were different between the two methodologies. I'm on it but don't let me be the only one, right RC?
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
https://arxiv.org...4560.pdf

OK, I've got the instrumentation techniques. Read the above pdf format. Now I'll go back & study it in more detail, then after everyone else has we can come back & compare notes.
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
https://arxiv.org...4560.pdf

OK, I've got the instrumentation techniques. Read the above pdf format. Now I'll go back & study it in more detail, then after everyone else has we can come back & compare notes.


Go to the middle of the paper under section where CLEANING discussion begins, this is the instrumentation error section & what causes it. Fun reading, learned a few things already.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 09, 2018
https://arxiv.org...4560.pdf


OK, I've got the instrumentation techniques. Read the above pdf format. Now I'll go back & study it in more detail, then after everyone else has we can come back & compare notes.

Go to the middle of the paper under section where CLEANING discussion begins, this is the instrumentation error section & what causes it. Fun reading, learned a few things already.

OK, I'm through it. Just above the Conclusion section. three measurement techniques are compared them side by side in a graph showing the differences of measurements between the three methodologies. The
lifetimes extracted from the three sets of data are in agreement, and they give an average
neutron lifetime τn=878.8± 2.6± 0.6 s,
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 09, 2018
Very impressive, Benni. Something must be wrong with my calculator. I'm getting 14.646666666666667
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
an anthropologist? Me?

That would explain why he is so afraid of Velikovsky and catastrophism. It is a direct challenge to relevance of his education and career, which isn't much at all.


Nobody is afraid of the idiot Velikovsky, you loon. He has nothing whatsoever to do with science, and has never been taken seriously by science. He was a crank and a fraud A scientifically illiterate one, at that.
Anybody that believes his woo is, by definition, the same
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
Linking to a paper on black holes, which need to exist for the plasma conditions to arise!

So you're suggesting there are mini black holes on the Sun creating the plasmoids they are referring to as being an analog? We know how to create plasmoids in the lab, Bostick was doing it way back in 1956 when he was shooting two plasmoids at each other which revealed a galactic spiral shape which was the basis of Peratt's simulations of galactic formation. As above, so below...
Clearly you are utterly ignorant of the science, check the papers, there are no black holes required. Just electric currents.


Really? Where are these papers? Please show me one that shows how a frigging plasmoid can simulate the orbits of the stars around the galactic centre You can't, because you are making sh1t up, as usual.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
"Me"?, yeah, you, after all you're the one claiming to have majored in astronomy at the University of Auckland, NZ, a university that mot only does not presently have such a major in it's curriculum, but in fact has NEVER had such a major in it's curriculum, however it has ALWAYS had an anthropology major in it's curriculum, just the subject material you told us sometime back that you had been majoring in. Yeah, you gave it away back a long time ago & you just forgot about it hoping I would too, right?



Sorry? Wrong again, thicko. And what university taught you that;
...anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life,


Do please tell us, you fraud. Never been near a university in your life, have you? You're outed, Benni. You know diddly about nuclear physics. Or any other sort You are an uneducated gobsh1te, suffering from D-K syndrome.
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
.....just think instrumentation error guys, I deal with it nearly every day in our spectroscopy lab.


Lol. As if this loon knows anything about spectroscopy! Dear me, the D-K is deep with this one!

granville583762
3.2 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
Morpheus duplicitous dilation of time eternal
These should differ markedly from lifetimes of slower-moving Bottle-trapped Neutrons

One mile per hour or one million? It's about TIME so far as anyone can figure out
I know you are suggesting time dilation effects, but at the velocities these things are already traveling it's just guesswork if you ask me. Instrumentation error still seems a more likely cause of events, we just usually throw this stuff away in our lab, but we don't need that kind of accuracy anyway so maybe it's just beside the point.

The Velikovskian ideology theory of contentious point in battlement of experimentalism instrumentalism calamitous decaying entices of time in the vacuum where pristine protonic protons familys emerge into reality as of Neutron decay in 887.7 seconds plus or minus 3.1 seconds that extra error of additional six seconds is a Morpheus into time dilation of calamitous infinitous proportions as of Morpheus siblings
Benni
2.3 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
> jonesy
He was a crank and a fraud A scientifically illiterate one, at that.
.......about the same as yourself when claiming to have a degree in Astronomy from the University of Auckland, NZ that has no such degree offering in it's curriculum. Maybe you can explain why you'e not the fraud?
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
> jonesy
He was a crank and a fraud A scientifically illiterate one, at that.
.......about the same as yourself when claiming to have a degree in Astronomy from the University of Auckland, NZ that has no such degree offering in it's curriculum. Maybe you can explain why you'e not the fraud?


Because you are a f***wit, who is lying, dickhead!
https://www.aut.a...my-major
granville583762
3.9 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
The Neutron and the Almond Tree
Those seconds in motion, under the hat of that invisible cat. As difficult as this experiment is to expedite, it is not as difficult as looking into the dark for something dark that is not there with no explanation as to why these dark corners are being scrutinised for what is dark that is not there, except of course under the hat of the hat of that cat where his invisible cat sleeps in the invisible world of all that's dark and invisible except of course to Dr Seuss's invisible cat

As in the words of Canterville's Ghost - Sir Simon de Canterville

The Neutron and the Almond Tree
When a golden girl can win
Prayer from out the lips of sin,
When the barren almond bears,
And a little child gives away its tears,
Then shall all the house be still,
And peace come to Canterville
And so the Neutron rests in peace.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
Very impressive, Benni. Something must be wrong with my calculator. I'm getting 14.646666666666667


Go to Table 2 & look in the "Corrected" column, you were looking at the "Raw" column.
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
Dead on wrong........this is BETA DECAY not RADIOACTIVE DECAY, if you had even the slightest concept of nuclear physics you'd know the difference.


Another beauty from the D-K affected loon!

Nuclear engineer, my arse.

https://phys.org/...ark.html

jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
And another one, showing that he doesn't even understand what half-life means!

OK, mister Pop-Cosmology genius.........you erroneously believe that a free neutron has a literal half-life decay process....... so lead us to the dataset from the Large Hadron Collider that anyone operating that facility has ever come across HALF A NEUTRON.

Tell us, what does half a neutron look like?


Jesus! Half a neutron! What a moron!
granville583762
3.2 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
After 888 seconds of fruitful life - And so the Neutron rests in peace.
The legacy of the neutrons 888s of life leaves in its wake those pristine protons, electrons and neutrinos in the vacuum to start again the circle of life, the Phoenix Neutron being reborn as a pristine neutron, without which the proton can never come in to contact with its own, as only close protonic contact is possible with family members of neutrons and protons where neutrons neutralise the electric field allowing fusion possible
The Neutron having graduated from those agonising Velikovskian fields of torment where Immanuel Velikovsky in his Worlds in Collision now also lies side by side where the Neutron rests in peace!
granville583762
3.2 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
The Anthropological Neutron and its Pristine Protons
And now it's time to address the stages in the neutrons life cycle, as a Anthropological study, as from what we're hearing loud and clear we have an expert in the field of Anthropology, as even its location appears less in doubt as the neutron rests in peace, reborn on those campus grounds at the University of Auckland, New Zealand.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
^^^^^^^WTF is this clown shooting up on?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Sep 10, 2018

https://www.scien...17303822

"Is Decay Constant?"
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 10, 2018
@ jones

Which of these two Universities in Auckland did you attend, and from which had you earned your degree(s) in Astronomy?

The University of Auckland

OR

Auckland University of Technology
jonesdave
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 10, 2018
@ jones

Which of these two Universities in Auckland did you attend, and from which had you earned your degree(s) in Astronomy?

The University of Auckland

OR

Auckland University of Technology


Auckland University. Jesus, another creepy cnut. Go to Wayback Machine, check out their webpage for 1979!
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
@ jones

Which of these two Universities in Auckland did you attend, and from which had you earned your degree(s) in Astronomy?

The University of Auckland

OR

Auckland University of Technology


Why don't you ask Benni where he studied nuclear physics, and managed to learn precisely nothing?
WTF is your problem, you whack job?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 10, 2018
No jones - I am asking YOU.

I have checked on the Directory of available courses at University of Auckland for Astronomy, but all I could come up with is the Dept. of Physics - no mention of Astronomy.
Physics encompasses many disciplines, as you should know.
Kindly provide the link from Uni of Auckland that states specifically that Astronomy is taught there.
Thanks

________________________

Our courses and programmes
We offer programmes in Physics and Geophysics at all levels, from Bachelor of Science through to PhD degrees.

The Department hosts the BSc(Hons) in Photonics and the BSc(Hons) in Medical Physics and Imaging Technology, which provide vocationally-oriented specialisations in these fast-developing areas. Students seeking entry to these programmes should begin with a BSc in Physics.

In addition, we provide physics expertise to students in a wide variety of disciplines including engineering, computer science, architecture, medicine, surveying and pharmacy.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
I have searched all over the University of Auckland website. Such an important discipline as Astronomy should have been prominently displayed in the website as being an important part of the Physics curriculum.
I haven't even seen any sign of Astrophysics being taught there. Please provide the proof that Astronomy is a normal part of the curriculum at University of Auckland. Thanks
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
@ jones

Which of these two Universities in Auckland did you attend, and from which had you earned your degree(s) in Astronomy?

The University of Auckland

OR

Auckland University of Technology


Auckland University. Jesus, another creepy cnut. Go to Wayback Machine, check out their webpage for 1979!
says jones

OK I see that you had attended Auckland University of Technology - not the University of Auckland. Is that correct?
jonesdave
3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
^^^^^F*** me, there are some creepy bastards on the internet! Tell you what, SEU, why don't you f*** off? Before you do, you weird swine, go check out the current courses at AU? Hmmm? Not that it'll necessarily have much relevance to 40 years ago. Or are you incapable, just like the loser, Benni, of doing such a teeny bit of research? Useless f****r.
Physics courses:
107 Planets, Stars and Galaxies
356 Particle Physics and Astrophysics
748 General Relativity
753 The Dynamic Universe

And others that may be relevant.

Now, you creepy sod, do you want to know which courses I took more recently with the Open University in the UK? God, some people are weird.

http://www.studen...geCd=ENG
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 10, 2018
You had made some generalizations/statements that led to the belief that you had attended and graduated from the University of Auckland, which apparently wasn't true. And now you are admitting to have studied Astronomy at Auckland University of Technology.

Do you understand the differences between the two universities?
When you told Benni or others that you were a student at Uni of Auckland, it goes against your credibility when you replaced one with another. Auckland University has a program in Astrophysics, while the Uni of Auckland does not.

Perhaps you matriculated at Uni of Auckland and then transferred to Auckland Uni of Tech?
jonesdave
3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
You had made some generalizations/statements that led to the belief that you had attended and graduated from the University of Auckland, which apparently wasn't true. And now you are admitting to have studied Astronomy at Auckland University of Technology.

Do you understand the differences between the two universities?
When you told Benni or others that you were a student at Uni of Auckland, it goes against your credibility when you replaced one with another. Auckland University has a program in Astrophysics, while the Uni of Auckland does not.

Perhaps you matriculated at Uni of Auckland and then transferred to Auckland Uni of Tech?


Nope, you weird f****er, I went to Auckland university, understand, you knob? If I linked to AUT, then that was a mistake. I suggest you look at the AU links, and then f*** off, you creep Yes? Do you think to get a degree you just study one subject? Probably; iI doubt you've ever attended one. Same as Benni.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
Your link's contents provide a list of the courses offered at University of Auckland beginning with the letter A.

However, that page shows a course in Anthropology, which is what you had admitted to Benni some time ago.

BTW - your angry tirade is amusing. It doesn't reflect well on your character - but this is nothing new.
jonesdave
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 10, 2018
Your link's contents provide a list of the courses offered at University of Auckland beginning with the letter A.

However, that page shows a course in Anthropology, which is what you had admitted to Benni some time ago.

BTW - your angry tirade is amusing. It doesn't reflect well on your character - but this is nothing new.


Jesus, you useless f***er! Click on the f***ing 'P' for physics, you dick. Christ almighty, I can't believe I'm having this conversation with someone who can't even work the internet!
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 10, 2018
40 years on campus

Auckland University of Technology (AUT) is a university in New Zealand, formed on 1 January 2000 a former technical college established in 1895 granted university status. 5 faculties across 3 campuses in Auckland: City, North, and South campuses, and additional three specialist locations: AUT Millennium, Warkworth Radio Astronomical Observatory https://en.wikipe...chnology

The Warkworth Radio Astronomical Observatory located of Warkworth 30 miles north of Auckland is operated by the Institute for Radio Astronomy and Space Research, Auckland University of Technology The WARK12M 12m Radio Telescope was constructed in 2008. In 2010, a licence to operate the New Zealand Telecom 30m dish was granted, which led to the construction of the WARK30M 30m Radio Telescope. First observations with the Australian Long Baseline Array took place in 2011 https://en.wikipe...ervatory
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 10, 2018
Searching again, I find that there are only TWO universities at Auckland - the University of Auckland and Auckland University of Technology - there are no others in Auckland.

So you are saying that you attended Auckland University of Technology? And yet, you had people believing that you also attended the University of Auckland.
If such is the case, then you must have been a transfer student OR attended both because the University of Auckland did not offer Astronomy. Is that correct?
Benni
3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
go check out the current courses at AU?
https://www.aut.ac.nz/courses/bachelor-of-science/astronomy-major

Did that, no Astronomy at AU only at AUT: https://www.aut.a...y-major. I guess you're just confused about the name of your alma mater, is that it? Now, was AUT offerring Astronomy 40 years ago?

jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
go check out the current courses at AU?


Did that, no Astronomy at AU only at AUT: https://www.aut.a...y-major. I guess you're just confused about the name of your alma mater, is that it? Now, was AUT offerring Astronomy 40 years ago?



Hey, shit for brains. Read what I wrote, you dumb f****er! Auckland University. If I linked AUT, that was an error. I've given you the link to AU, although what relevance it will have to what they taught 40 years ago I don't know. What is bloody obvious, is that you have never attended a university in your life. And it is equally obvious that your claims of understanding nuclear physics is an outright lie. Correct?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
Your Browse Course Catalog has a long list of Physics courses which is below this:

"View information about all courses offered at the University of Auckland. Selecting a subject name and a course link will display available course information...."

But now you say that you attended Auckland University of Technology. Can't you tell the difference?
If the University of Auckland has/had so many Physics courses, then why did you say that you attended Auckland University of Tech - after having told Benni that you attended the University of Auckland.?
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
Your Browse Course Catalog has a long list of Physics courses which is below this:

"View information about all courses offered at the University of Auckland. Selecting a subject name and a course link will display available course information...."

But now you say that you attended Auckland University of Technology. Can't you tell the difference?
If the University of Auckland has/had so many Physics courses, then why did you say that you attended Auckland University of Tech - after having told Benni that you attended the University of Auckland.?


F*** off, you idiot. I attended the University of f*cking Auckland, you retard! I already said that if I previously linked to AUT, it was in error. It didn't even exist in the 70s you tosser!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
Even if the names are given as AU and AUT, you should be able to tell the difference, since there are only two universities in Auckland.
It appears that jones might never have attended the University of Auckland, but only Auckland University of Tech.....and AUT appears to have only been in existence (with that name) since Y2K, as told in granville's statement that:
"Auckland University of Technology (AUT) is a university in New Zealand, formed on 1 January 2000 a former technical college established in 1895 granted university status."
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
Even if the names are given as AU and AUT, you should be able to tell the difference, since there are only two universities in Auckland.
It appears that jones might never have attended the University of Auckland, but only Auckland University of Tech.....and AUT appears to have only been in existence (with that name) since Y2K, as told in granville's statement that:
"Auckland University of Technology (AUT) is a university in New Zealand, formed on 1 January 2000 a former technical college established in 1895 granted university status."


You really are thick, aren't you? Can't even find the right course pages to look at? AUT didn't exist in the 70s. I obviously hit the link a bit quick, figuring it was part of AU. Understand?
However, it is somewhat irrelevant, as we can see who the people are that know about the subject around here, and it isn't the liar Benni, nor yourself. Eh? So, what is your point, fruitloop religious boy? Got one?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
go check out the current courses at AU?


Did that, no Astronomy at AU only at AUT: https://www.aut.a...y-major. I guess you're just confused about the name of your alma mater, is that it? Now, was AUT offerring Astronomy 40 years ago?



Hey, shit for brains. Read what I wrote, you dumb f****er! Auckland University. If I linked AUT, that was an error. I've given you the link to AU, although what relevance it will have to what they taught 40 years ago I don't know. What is bloody obvious, is that you have never attended a university in your life. And it is equally obvious that your claims of understanding nuclear physics is an outright lie. Correct?
says jones

The ONLY "Auckland University" is the Auckland University of Technology. You seem very confused as to what to call the university that you claim to have actually attended. Why are you so confused? Get your names straight.
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
The ONLY "Auckland University" is the Auckland University of Technology. You seem very confused as to what to call the university that you claim to have actually attended. Why are you so confused? Get your names straight.


Oh for f***s sake, you ignorant tosser! There are evidently now 2 unis in Auckland. Auckland and AUT. AUT didn't exist when I lived there, so there was only f***ing one. Understand, you prat? Now, why don't you f*** off, and get a life? Or better still, an education.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
@jones
And by the way, I am not "religious". I don't adhere to any religion but the Truth.

In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease. Making errors as you have done in a science forum - when you are able to correct your mistake(s) before submitting them shows a character flaw.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
@jones
And by the way, I am not "religious". I don't adhere to any religion but the Truth.

In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease. Making errors as you have done in a science forum - when you are able to correct your mistake(s) before submitting them shows a character flaw.


Piss off, you useless prat. What the hell are you even doing on a science forum? What is your speciality? Where did you get your degree? What subjects? Maybe you could ask the idiot Benni the same questions. He's the one spouting complete shite on here, with zero understanding of the subject.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?

Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?


I do declare, that someone who claims he took Differential Equations as part of his high school Algebra course as you have claimed, can only be someone suffering severe amnesia at best.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
There is no such place as "Auckland University". It may be possible that you have been transposing Auckland University from "University of Auckland" which would be the correct appellation. As I've said already, the only other university is Auckland University of Technology, which you say you have never attended.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?


I do declare, that someone who claims he took Differential Equations as part of his high school Algebra course as you have claimed, can only be someone suffering severe amnesia at best.


Sorry? And what high school taught you your idiotic beliefs in what beta-decay and half-lives are? Where did you learn that crap, you loon? Not a very good school was it? I guess you flunked every course, which is why you come on here, displaying your ignorance of all things scientific, because it feeds your insatiable D-K syndrome. Sad.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
There is no such place as "Auckland University". It may be possible that you have been transposing Auckland University from "University of Auckland" which would be the correct appellation. As I've said already, the only other university is Auckland University of Technology, which you say you have never attended.

.......then he didn't study anything about Astronomy did he?
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
There is no such place as "Auckland University". It may be possible that you have been transposing Auckland University from "University of Auckland" which would be the correct appellation. As I've said already, the only other university is Auckland University of Technology, which you say you have never attended.


Christ you are a f***wit! Anybody that attends it calls it 'Auckland Uni.' WTF is your problem, you waster?
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
There is no such place as "Auckland University". It may be possible that you have been transposing Auckland University from "University of Auckland" which would be the correct appellation. As I've said already, the only other university is Auckland University of Technology, which you say you have never attended.

.......then he didn't study anything about Astronomy did he?


And another f***wit, who is scientifically illiterate. Didn't go to any university did you Benni? Don't understand science on any level. Never studied nuclear physics, can't do differential equations, can't even do basic maths. If I were you, I'd be far more worried about your total lack of qualifications, than the ones I have.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?

says jones

There you go again. I never said that you DO have Alzheimer's - just that we will examine the "possibility" that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's - if you continue to transpose, misconstrue, and otherwise confuse names and facts.
Have you been forgetting both important, as well as little things? Do you forget where you put your keys? We understand that humans may eventually suffer from such mental problems.
Perhaps you might want to consult a neurologist, jones.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?

says jones

There you go again. I never said that you DO have Alzheimer's - just that we will examine the "possibility" that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's - if you continue to transpose, misconstrue, and otherwise confuse names and facts.
Have you been forgetting both important, as well as little things? Do you forget where you put your keys? We understand that humans may eventually suffer from such mental problems.
Perhaps you might want to consult a neurologist, jones.


And perhaps you should f*** off, you uneducated loon.
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
Found a U of Auckland, the only Auckland Univ is AUT and didn't become a Univ until 2000. Before that it was a high school or something, which sounds about right for jonesdumb.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?


I do declare, that someone who claims he took Differential Equations as part of his high school Algebra course as you have claimed, can only be someone suffering severe amnesia at best.


Sorry? And what high school taught you your idiotic beliefs in what beta-decay and half-lives are?
says jones

Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017

jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
Found a U of Auckland, the only Auckland Univ is AUT and didn't become a Univ until 2000. Before that it was a high school or something, which sounds about right for jonesdumb.


Oh and another uneducated f***wit joins the fray! Tell all the boys and girls, cannthink; when was Earth orbiting Saturn, again? Where did Venus come from?
Another idiot who has never been near a university.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017


Don't tell me what you've just Googled, loony tunes, tell Benni. He's the one who needs educating in the subject.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018

Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017

https://formulas....ula.html

https://www.scien...17300485

https://reader.el...1E87C84B
"Precision long-term measurements of beta-decay-rate ratios in a controlled environment"
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.


Really, thicko? And what university did you attend?
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.


And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.


Really, thicko? And what university did you attend?
says jones

Why do you ask such personal questions, jones? Is it for your own personal advantage? Are you creating a dossier on CD and others, similar to what Cap'n Stinky was doing?

The science, jones, the science. Never mind personal achievements that you would only denigrate in the long run.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018

Really, thicko? And what university did you attend?
says jones

Why do you ask such personal questions, jones? Is it for your own personal advantage? Are you creating a dossier on CD and others, similar to what Cap'n Stinky was doing?

The science, jones, the science. Never mind personal achievements that you would only denigrate in the long run.


Do you know what the word 'hypocrite' means, loser? I'll take your answer as indicating that you never had any sort of tertiary education. That will come as a surprise to nobody.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.


And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.


Alumnae is the plural form of Alumna. CD used the correct word, jones.

Alumni is the plural of Alumnus. Which denotes a former student or students

jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
Alumni is the plural of Alumnus. Which denotes a former student or students


And what do you think he was referring to, thicko?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018

Really, thicko? And what university did you attend?
says jones

Why do you ask such personal questions, jones? Is it for your own personal advantage? Are you creating a dossier on CD and others, similar to what Cap'n Stinky was doing?

The science, jones, the science. Never mind personal achievements that you would only denigrate in the long run.


Do you know what the word 'hypocrite' means, loser? I'll take your answer as indicating that you never had any sort of tertiary education. That will come as a surprise to nobody.
says jones

As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?


jonesy says he was majoring in astronomy 40 years ago, add at least 20 to that.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?


jonesy says he was majoring in astronomy 40 years ago, add at least 20 to that.


And you majored in nothing, did you. fraudy boy? Why are you so ignorant of all science, yet pretend to know all about it? Personality disorder, or just the regular D-K syndrome?
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?


Well, you were very f***ing interested in mine not so long ago! It is obvious that you have never had any further education. Not in the sciences, anyway. Another with D-K syndrome, who just wants to appear knowledgable, but is truly ignorant.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
Alumni is the plural of Alumnus. Which denotes a former student or students


And what do you think he was referring to, thicko?
says jones

"cantdrive855 / 5 (2) 34 minutes ago
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae."

Well, judging by the statement above, I would say that CD was referring to YOUR "institution of higher learning", jones, since it seems to have failed to instill any sort of integrity, civility and honesty on your character, along with your diploma.
I would imagine that your feelings were hurt somewhere along the line - at home; at university; in personal relationships - and you have decided to bring out your viperous behaviour in a science website. There is no room for such imperialistic innuendo as you have displayed in this science site.
Perhaps you have a drinking problem in your old age, jones. I would suggest that you quit the hooch.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018


Well, judging by the statement above, I would say that CD was referring to YOUR "institution of higher learning", jones, since it seems to have failed to instill any sort of integrity, civility and honesty on your character, along with your diploma.
I would imagine that your feelings were hurt somewhere along the line - at home; at university; in personal relationships - and you have decided to bring out your viperous behaviour in a science website. There is no room for such imperialistic innuendo as you have displayed in this science site.
Perhaps you have a drinking problem in your old age, jones. I would suggest that you quit the hooch.


And I would suggest that you p1ss off, unless you have something useful to contribute. It hasn't happened yet, so WTF are you doing here?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?


Well, you were very f***ing interested in mine not so long ago! It is obvious that you have never had any further education. Not in the sciences, anyway. Another with D-K syndrome, who just wants to appear knowledgable, but is truly ignorant.



As you wish. I shall not argue on such trivia with a college-educated monkey.
You have no idea what I have learnt in this era, and I feel no compunction to give you any details.
Zzzzzzzz
4.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
Jonesdave, and to some extent RNP, I commend you for fighting the good fight against the anti-science trolls. However, I cannot smell the stench of the troll's fecal regurgitations - I ignore them. I no longer have sufficient patience to get down into their cesspool and wallow in their fecal puking.

For your own overall happiness I might suggest simply putting these puking shit eaters on ignore. Wipe the shit off your shoes.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018


Well, judging by the statement above, I would say that CD was referring to YOUR "institution of higher learning", jones, since it seems to have failed to instill any sort of integrity, civility and honesty on your character, along with your diploma.
I would imagine that your feelings were hurt somewhere along the line - at home; at university; in personal relationships - and you have decided to bring out your viperous behaviour in a science website. There is no room for such imperialistic innuendo as you have displayed in this science site.
Perhaps you have a drinking problem in your old age, jones. I would suggest that you quit the hooch.


And I would suggest that you p1ss off, unless you have something useful to contribute. It hasn't happened yet, so WTF are you doing here?


Pretty much the same as YOU are doing here, except that I am learning - whereas YOU are being an idiot.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
ahaa And now we have in our midst the unconscionable presence of the head dotard, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz aka thegrossofotto1923 who just couldn't help itself - it had to come to loverboy's rescue. LOL
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
Pretty much the same as YOU are doing here, except that I am learning - whereas YOU are being an idiot.


Errrm, sorry? I am getting shit off you because I keep correcting the idiot Benni, because I understand the science, and he doesn't. And neither do you. How do you expect to learn with tossers like Benni throwing crap around, if people don't point out said crap? Hmmm?
And I would suggest going to a physics forum if you are really interested in learning science. This place is full of idiots like Benni and cantthink. Cosmoquest has a very good Q & A thread.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
Pretty much the same as YOU are doing here, except that I am learning - whereas YOU are being an idiot.


Errrm, sorry? I am getting shit off you because I keep correcting the idiot Benni, because I understand the science, and he doesn't. And neither do you. How do you expect to learn with tossers like Benni throwing crap around, if people don't point out said crap? Hmmm?
And I would suggest going to a physics forum if you are really interested in learning science. This place is full of idiots like Benni and cantthink. Cosmoquest has a very good Q & A thread.

says jones

And how do you know that I haven't been there before and during? I happen to like this website. It amuses me. YOU amuse me also. I think I'll stay.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
>jonesy, life has passed you by, it's too late in your life to get it back.

You couldn't survive even that one year stint majoring in Anthropology, now nearing the end of your life you are realizing how little you've accomplished & you simply get mad at people you aspire to be like, all the while knowing you can never be. It's gone jonesy, just give it up & move on, the more you explain & then re-explain yourself the more foolish you come off looking to normal people.
cantdrive85
1.7 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
>jonesy, life has passed you by, it's too late in your life to get it back.

You couldn't survive even that one year stint majoring in Anthropology, now nearing the end of your life you are realizing how little you've accomplished & you simply get mad at people you aspire to be like, all the while knowing you can never be. It's gone jonesy, just give it up & move on, the more you explain & then re-explain yourself the more foolish you come off looking to normal people.


Hey, thicko. I look foolish? I'm not the D-K affected tosspot claiming to understand nuclear physics and then making a complete burke of himself by failing to understand the very basics! You are scientifically illiterate, but have some sort of mental disorder that requires you to post on subjects about which you are totally clueless. And since when have you been normal, you bloody loon?
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
Keep fit and active into old age, as we still think and feel as we did at sweet sixteen
>jonesy, life has passed you by, it's too late in your life to get it back.
You couldn't survive even that one year stint majoring in Anthropology, now nearing the end of your life you are realizing how little you've accomplished & you simply get mad at people you aspire to be like, all the while knowing you can never be. It's gone jonesy, just give it up & move on, the more you explain & then re-explain yourself the more foolish you come off looking to normal people.

The phrase embittered old man has oft been used, as we all get old and frail in time, but still reason not to become embittered aged soul, as however old we become, we still think and feel as we did at sweet sixteen.
Good look to all us aged souls, as merriment we make before judgement day!
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.
cantdrive85
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a·lum·na
əˈləmnə
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.

I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....


In any case, you used the correct word/description - semantically objective it was. No need to give further thought to it. jones wouldn't understand it.
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a·lum·na
É�ˈlÉ�mnÉ�
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.

I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.


Nope, took you hours to come up with that. You just spelled it wrong. Dickhead! Lol.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....


In any case, you used the correct word/description - semantically objective it was. No need to give further thought to it. jones wouldn't understand it.


I understand a bloody sight more than you, you uneducated poser. What are you doing here? You are as clueless about science as the idiots Benni and cantthink. What is it with you people? Get a hard time at school for being crap at science and maths? Need to make yourself feel better by posting on a comments section, whilst lacking the balls to go to a physics forum? Strange lot.
granville583762
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a•lum•na
É�ˈlÉ�mnÉ�
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.
I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.

In point of fact CD, JD often refers in the feminine vocabulary, I thought everyone had noted that, but still no reason for embitterment.
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a•lum•na
Éď��ˈlÉď��mnÉď��
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.
I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.

In point of fact CD, JD often refers in the feminine vocabulary, I thought everyone had noted that, but still no reason for embitterment.


And the other fruitloop is here. Full house!
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
And the other fruitloop is here. Full house!
BINGO
Benni
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
And the other fruitloop is here. Full house!
BINGO

> granDy........wrong game, "I raise you...." is the proper quip for full house, not bingo, that's what jonesy does on weekends at the local firehall.
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
And the other fruitloop is here. Full house!
BINGO

> granDy........wrong game, "I raise you...." is the proper quip for full house, not bingo, that's what jonesy does on weekends at the local firehall.


And what do you do at weekends, when you aren't interbreeding with the rellies?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
As I was saying before we were so rudely interrupted:

Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017

https://formulas....ula.html
"Precision long-term measurements of beta-decay-rate ratios in a controlled environment"

https://reader.el...343D8A77
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
As I was saying before we were so rudely interrupted:

Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017

https://formulas....ula.html


And? Do the atoms that decay lose half their mass? That is what Benni believes. Maybe you should be addressing your belated findings to that fruitloop.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....


In any case, you used the correct word/description - semantically objective it was. No need to give further thought to it. jones wouldn't understand it.


I understand a bloody sight more than you, you uneducated poser. What are you doing here? You are as clueless about science as the idiots Benni and cantthink. What is it with you people? Get a hard time at school for being crap at science and maths? Need to make yourself feel better by posting on a comments section, whilst lacking the balls to go to a physics forum? Strange lot.

says jones

The REAL question is why YOU are spewing your hateful idiocy in THIS particular forum/article when you KNOW ALREADY that we are in here. YOU have already disturbed us from enjoying our discoveries both from each other, and from the Search engines where good articles/papers have been published.

jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 10, 2018
The REAL question is why YOU are spewing your hateful idiocy in THIS particular forum/article when you KNOW ALREADY that we are in here. YOU have already disturbed us from enjoying our discoveries both from each other, and from the Search engines where good articles/papers have been published.


What? Listen, thicko, I was addressing a couple of loons who were suggesting a sodding plasmoid as the cause of the stellar orbits at the galactic centre! Now, if you think you have found a good scientific paper on that, let's see it. Otherwise, as I said, it is complete woo. Anybody that thinks otherwise knows nothing about the relevant science.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (9) Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a•lum•na
Éď��ˈlÉď��mnÉď��
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.
I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.

In point of fact CD, JD often refers in the feminine vocabulary, I thought everyone had noted that, but still no reason for embitterment.
says granville

I have noticed that also. jones does seem quite a bit effeminate with his, "oh dear", "dear me", and other girly sayings. I thought that I had best not mention such misgivings, else be thought of as a homophobe. And why does a grown man talk like a girly-man I wanted to ask. But it would have been impolite, so I left sleeping dogs lie, so to speak.
:)
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
^^^^^Jesus, what a wanker!
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 10, 2018
....else be thought of as a homophobe.


As well as being a complete tosspot, you mean? And scientifically illiterate? And a religious fruitloop?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Sep 11, 2018
Here are some interesting links that may or may not be of any significance to the topic of this article:

https://scitechda...on-lupi/

https://agupubs.o...ra.50542

http://www.jb.man...ston.pdf

http://www.padrak...IS3.html
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 11, 2018
Here are some interesting links that may or may not be of any significance to the topic of this article:

https://scitechda...on-lupi/


Absolutely none whatsoever. What on Earth would make you think that??????
Ojorf
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 11, 2018
Hey SEU, how is your research concerning the geometry of a superfast jet of material from a neutron star merger going?

LOL
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2 / 5 (8) Sep 11, 2018
LOL I have no idea what kind of geometry research you're talking about. But it sounds interesting. Tell me about it.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 11, 2018
The REAL question is why YOU are spewing your hateful idiocy in THIS particular forum/article when you KNOW ALREADY that we are in here. YOU have already disturbed us from enjoying our discoveries both from each other, and from the Search engines where good articles/papers have been published.


What? Listen, thicko, I was addressing a couple of loons who were suggesting a sodding plasmoid as the cause of the stellar orbits at the galactic centre! Now, if you think you have found a good scientific paper on that, let's see it. Otherwise, as I said, it is complete woo. Anybody that thinks otherwise knows nothing about the relevant science.

jones

And it is still much too early to make a determination whether or not plasmoid(s) are the cause, but if you have the proof that it isn't, then far be it for me (and them) to stop you.
BUT, if you are proved wrong, how do you prefer the egg on your face - fried? hard-boiled? scrambled? or raw and dripping?
Ojorf
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 11, 2018
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 11, 2018
....else be thought of as a homophobe.


As well as being a complete tosspot, you mean? And scientifically illiterate? And a religious fruitloop?


jonesy, jonesy, and again jonesy. How many times here in the months of August/September must I tell you (and others) that I am not a religionist and never have been. I only seek the Truth which is why I am a Creationist.
I suppose that you will now, after reading the above, forget again what I have said.
Surely you are aware that such forgetfulness as you display may be a sign of Alzheimer's. I believe that you are at about the age when you begin to forget things that were said earlier.
Terribly sad. I may just pray for you to regain your mental health, plus your vim and vigour.
Do not give in to the demonic entities who would like to possess your mind, jones. They do frequent science websites to take possession of the unwary, you know.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 11, 2018
https://phys.org/news/2018-09-radio-superfast-jet-material-neutron.html


""We were lucky to be able to observe this event, because if the jet had been pointed much farther away from Earth, the radio emission would have been too faint for us to detect," said Gregg Hallinan of Caltech.
___________________

Perhaps someday in the not too distant future, a space optical telescope, equipped with Radio, IR, X-ray, etc. instruments will be sent off to somewhere beyond the Oort Cloud or in the spaces between the Stars, so that Radio and all other emissions may be detected even if not pointed directly at, or away from the vicinity of Earth.It will take many years also of traveling to get there, (eg. Voyager1 and 2) but it will be worth the wait to have such a "warning signal" available, just in case."

See above - aap didn't seem to think that I knew how big space is. However, I stand by my opinion that someday blah blah blah blah blah and blah.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 11, 2018
Hey SEU, how is your research concerning the geometry of a superfast jet of material from a neutron star merger going?

LOL
says Ojorf

I have searched my comment from the link you provided, and I don't see any reference to my doing any kind of research. I DID say that it will take many years of traveling to get there.
I really don't understand how you could mistake what I said as doing some sort of research. If you are able to see such a suggestion in my comment, kindly explain how you have come to such a conclusion.
You DO understand the concept of "someday", don't you?
granville583762
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 11, 2018
Transformation in time
:- as in the begging May 29, 2015 all was inspiration and light as with time the moguls emerged with obsessive definition cumulating with pensiveness earlier this year coming in the 40degree summer heat from whence an irreversible decline inevitable befell, only interspersed by brief light of old.
The saying as long as you know your mistakes it is all right, the problems befalls when no longer is it realized a mistaken is of made.
Which comes to a point is if its accidental then where is the correction as realization is the key, otherwise its deliberate of intention which is to sad to behold.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 11, 2018
granville, in addition to your being a genius, you also have a knack for observation, which is a trait that many in this website are sorely lacking. A gift for keen observation is necessary, as you know well, so that one does not put himself in a situation whereby another could fault him and lay blame, all due to a moment of a lack of introspection.
jones and Ojorf should be beside themselves with proper remorse now as they have placed themselves in a situation where they may be faulted and accused of...an injustice.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 11, 2018
Well, the dog needs to go for a walk. As a famous General once said: I shall return.
Ojorf
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 11, 2018
I have searched my comment from the link you provided, and I don't see any reference to my doing any kind of research.


That's because it's not in your comment, it's in the response to your comment. I asked you to calculate something, remember?

I DID say that it will take many years of traveling to get there.
I really don't understand how you could mistake what I said as doing some sort of research. If you are able to see such a suggestion in my comment, kindly explain how you have come to such a conclusion.
You DO understand the concept of "someday", don't you?


You still have no clue about the size of space and the distances involved, that's obvious. The bit about "somewhere beyond the Oort Cloud" was particularly telling (not to mention hilarious). So you still stand by your whole comment do you?
Then please tell us how far you have to travel to see the jet directly?
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 11, 2018
And it is still much too early to make a determination whether or not plasmoid(s) are the cause, but if you have the proof that it isn't, then far be it for me (and them) to stop you.
BUT, if you are proved wrong, how do you prefer the egg on your face - fried? hard-boiled? scrambled? or raw and dripping?


And there you go, showing your scientific ignorance, yet again. Whatever is at the galactic centre is shown, beyond any doubt, to have a mass of ~ 4m Suns. It is not a star, because it would be bloody obvious, and would violate GR. So, I'll ask again, for the umpteenth time; what is ~ 4m solar masses, and compact? It isn't a plasmoid, you ignorant burke. A plasmoid could not account for the observations of the stellar orbits. Could it?
A piece of advice - keep away from science, because it really isn't your thing.

jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 11, 2018
I have searched my comment from the link you provided, and I don't see any reference to my doing any kind of research. I DID say that it will take many years of traveling to get there.
I really don't understand how you could mistake what I said as doing some sort of research. If you are able to see such a suggestion in my comment, kindly explain how you have come to such a conclusion.
You DO understand the concept of "someday", don't you?


And you don't understand science, maths or what a light year is, do you? Current travel time to Alpha Centauri? 10s of thousands of years. What is the difference in angular size captured by a satellite that is in Earth orbit, and one in an orbit 4 ly away? Sod all.
What would we gain by having such a set up? Light from GRB reaches satellite, travelling at ~ light speed. Satellite sends message to Earth. At light speed. When does the notification arrive? When does the GRB arrive?
Stop being thick.

Benni
2 / 5 (8) Sep 11, 2018
A piece of advice - keep away from science, because it really isn't your thing.


.....and I guess this is why we should assume you chose to study Anthropology at Uni, because it has nothing to do with science, just SPELL CASTING by throwing old bones up in the air & discerning their meaning by how they fall on the ground.

Remember when you tried lecturing me about radio-active half life because it was one of the things you learned in Anthropology classes?
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 11, 2018
LOL I have no idea what kind of geometry research you're talking about. But it sounds interesting. Tell me about it.


It's called trigonometry, and the law of sines. A quick BOTE calc (if I've done it right) tells me that we would have needed a satellite ~ 40 ly away to catch the centre of the beam. Maybe you can check my maths, SEU? I'm guessing you did maths at whatever school you attended?
Now, New Horizons would take about 80 000 years to reach Alpha, so about 800 000 to get to an orbit which has precisely the same chance of being at the centre of a GRB beam as Earth has.
Please tell us why this is such a good idea? Hint: it isn't. It is a really, really stupid one.

jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 11, 2018
A piece of advice - keep away from science, because it really isn't your thing.


.....and I guess this is why we should assume you chose to study Anthropology at Uni, because it has nothing to do with science, just SPELL CASTING by throwing old bones up in the air & discerning their meaning by how they fall on the ground.

Remember when you tried lecturing me about radio-active half life because it was one of the things you learned in Anthropology classes?


No, dickhead. I studied palaeoanthropology as a sideline, and covered evolution in a more recent degree, you creepy f***! And why do you need to have half-life explained to you, you waster? You told us you had studied nuclear physics.
That is, quite obviously, a blatant lie. Isn't it Benni?
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 11, 2018
LOL I have no idea what kind of geometry research you're talking about. But it sounds interesting. Tell me about it.


It's called trigonometry, and the law of sines. A quick BOTE calc (if I've done it right) tells me that we would have needed a satellite ~ 40 ly away to catch the centre of the beam. Maybe you can check my maths, SEU? I'm guessing you did maths at whatever school you attended?
Now, New Horizons would take about 80 000 years to reach Alpha, so about 800 000 to get to an orbit which has precisely the same chance of being at the centre of a GRB beam as Earth has.
Please tell us why this is such a good idea? Hint: it isn't. It is a really, really stupid one.



Whoops. We are dealing with megaparsecs here. So, instead of 40 ly, we are talking 40 million ly!
Benni
2 / 5 (8) Sep 11, 2018
I studied palaeoanthropology as a sideline, and covered evolution in a more recent degree, you creepy f***! And why do you need to have half-life explained to you, you waster? You told us you had studied nuclear physics.


So what did your paleo-anthropology (palaeoanthropology, I corrected your spelling) studies teach you about DEGENERATE NEUTRONS?

and covered evolution in a more recent degree
.......and you learned this at the same place you got your Astronomy degree where there is no such curriculum, right? How many degrees do you claim to have from Uni? And you still can't explain what a degenerate neutron is? Maybe ojorf can help? A couple good paragraphs should suffice.
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 11, 2018
So what did your paleo-anthropology (palaeoanthropology, I corrected your spelling) studies teach you about DEGENERATE NEUTRONS?


Nope, you just changed to American spelling. English English takes precedence. Even in Greek words.
Neutron degeneracy was long since known. Look for Oppenheimer's papers from 1938-39. First year undergrad. Stellar evolution.

.......and you learned this at the same place you got your Astronomy degree where there is no such curriculum, right? How many degrees do you claim to have from Uni? And you still can't explain what a degenerate neutron is? Maybe ojorf can help? A couple good paragraphs should suffice.


Oh, it does exist, and certainly did back in the time I was there. I have 2 degrees, which is 2 more than you. Correct? A degenerate neutron is the wrong term. Neutron degeneracy is the proper term.
Now, where did you study again, thicko? Just so we can sue their arses off for producing a wazzock like you.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 11, 2018

You still have no clue about the size of space and the distances involved, that's obvious. The bit about "somewhere beyond the Oort Cloud" was particularly telling (not to mention hilarious). So you still stand by your whole comment do you?
Then please tell us how far you have to travel to see the jet directly?
says Ojorf

A space optical telescope that is equipped with all the instruments that i recommended in my comment should not be closer to the Earth than about the distance to the Oort Cloud and beyond. I did not say that it could happen tomorrow. I said "someday".

You said: "Then please tell us how far you have to travel to see the jet directly?"

As I have no personal plans to travel to see the jet directly, I can only assume that your attributing to me the ability to take such a trip to the Oort Cloud is an indication that your linguistic skills need polishing.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 11, 2018
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But it remains that at sometime in the future scientists/Engineers will have improved the propulsion power plants of spacecraft that will have the full capability, as well as speed, to carry such instruments to the edge of the Solar System to best understand our close and distant neighbors, as well as any dangerous objects that have moved closer to our SS.

For example - Voyager1 was launched on 5 September 1977 - "After completing its primary mission with the flyby of Saturn on November 12, 1980, Voyager 1 became the third of five artificial objects to achieve the escape velocity that will allow them to leave the Solar System. On August 25, 2012, Voyager 1 became the first spacecraft to cross the heliopause and enter the interstellar medium.[8
In a further testament to the robustness of Voyager 1, the Voyager team completed a successful test of the spacecraft's trajectory correction maneuver (TCM) thrusters on November 28, 2017.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 11, 2018
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"The last time these backup thrusters were fired up was in November 1980. ]""

So as you can see, Ojorf - I do understand the vast distances of space, and when scientists/Engineers set their minds to accomplish something of worth, nothing (but lack of funding) can stop them. Optical telescopes also carrying other instruments such IR, Radio, GR, GW. etc. will have only to do as the Voyagers have already done
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 11, 2018
And it is still much too early to make a determination whether or not plasmoid(s) are the cause, but if you have the proof that it isn't, then far be it for me (and them) to stop you.
BUT, if you are proved wrong, how do you prefer the egg on your face - fried? hard-boiled? scrambled? or raw and dripping?


And there you go, showing your scientific ignorance, yet again. Whatever is at the galactic centre is shown, beyond any doubt, to have a mass of ~ 4m Suns. It is not a star, because it would be bloody obvious, and would violate GR. So, I'll ask again, for the umpteenth time; what is ~ 4m solar masses, and compact? It isn't a plasmoid, you ignorant burke. A plasmoid could not account for the observations of the stellar orbits. Could it?
A piece of advice - keep away from science, because it really isn't your thing.

says jones

You insist that it is a Black Hole, on the premise that it has a mass of ~4m Suns. And yet you believe that the unseen DM exists
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 11, 2018
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You are possibly not aware that scientists are already searching for NEW particles that may also fit into Einstein's GR. Or not.
How do you know what properties are involved in Plasmoids and what and how those properties interact with Matter. You don't. You are only guessing, and relying on old Physics textbooks that are not current.
Until there is absolute evidence that Plasmoids and their effects don't exist, it is best to try to keep an open mind.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018
LOL I have no idea what kind of geometry research you're talking about. But it sounds interesting. Tell me about it.


It's called trigonometry, and the law of sines. A quick BOTE calc (if I've done it right) tells me that we would have needed a satellite ~ 40 ly away to catch the centre of the beam. Maybe you can check my maths, SEU? I'm guessing you did maths at whatever school you attended?
Now, New Horizons would take about 80 000 years to reach Alpha, so about 800 000 to get to an orbit which has precisely the same chance of being at the centre of a GRB beam as Earth has.
Please tell us why this is such a good idea? Hint: it isn't. It is a really, really stupid one.

says jones (sitting in for Ojorf)

Ojorf says geometry; YOU say trigonometry. Who said anything about reaching Alpha Centauri?
I was only referring to reaching the Oort Cloud and beyond it to interstellar space for the space telescope w/ peripherals. What is wrong with you??
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 12, 2018
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I certainly don't need geometry OR trigonometry to calculate that Voyager1 was launched in 5 September 1977 and reached interstellar space on 25 August 2012 (past the Oort Cloud) where at the trajectory it was assigned and at its speed, it only took ~35 Earth years to reach interstellar space in 2012.
35 Earth years, jones. And Voyager1 is still traveling onward almost 6 Earth years later for a total of ~41 EARTH YEARS now in 2018, jones.
cantdrive85
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 12, 2018
Whatever is at the galactic centre is shown, beyond any doubt, to have a mass of ~ 4m Suns. It is not a star, because it would be bloody obvious, and would violate GR.

It isn't a gravity only Universe jonesdumb, electromagnetism drive the processes at this scale.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 12, 2018
LOL I have just realised that I have always been saying that Space itself has always existed in the same form and size even before AND after Matter/Energy were created, and that Space was able to accommodate Matter/Energy immediately because Space had already existed. Therefore, Black Holes of any size and mass could not have existed then, even in the early Universe because if they had, they would have consumed "Space" itself, along with any mass that BHs encountered.
As far as I know, there is no research anywhere to find out what exactly constitutes Space. Certain things are known: that Space is a partial vacuum; that Matte/Energy settles into it readily; that it is cold; that it seems to be expanding with the movement of galaxies; that emitted signals go through it easily.
But what exactly is Space made of and why does it exist? Besides atoms and molecules floating in it, what properties are exclusively attributable only to Space?
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 12, 2018
Whatever is at the galactic centre is shown, beyond any doubt, to have a mass of ~ 4m Suns. It is not a star, because it would be bloody obvious, and would violate GR.

It isn't a gravity only Universe jonesdumb, electromagnetism drive the processes at this scale.


Really, woo boy? And which EM effect can cause the orbits of the stars around Sgr A*? You know, something vaguely scientific, with maths to back it up? Stop making crap up, and actually address the science.
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 12, 2018

You still have no clue about the size of space and the distances involved, that's obvious. The bit about "somewhere beyond the Oort Cloud" was particularly telling (not to mention hilarious). So you still stand by your whole comment do you?
Then please tell us how far you have to travel to see the jet directly?
says Ojorf

A space optical telescope that is equipped with all the instruments that i recommended in my comment should not be closer to the Earth than about the distance to the Oort Cloud and beyond. I did not say that it could happen tomorrow. I said "someday".

You said: "Then please tell us how far you have to travel to see the jet directly?"

As I have no personal plans to travel to see the jet directly, I can only assume that your attributing to me the ability to take such a trip to the Oort Cloud is an indication that your linguistic skills need polishing.


No, it is your inability to do basic maths and trig.
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 12, 2018
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I certainly don't need geometry OR trigonometry to calculate that Voyager1 was launched in 5 September 1977 and reached interstellar space on 25 August 2012 (past the Oort Cloud) where at the trajectory it was assigned and at its speed, it only took ~35 Earth years to reach interstellar space in 2012.
35 Earth years, jones. And Voyager1 is still traveling onward almost 6 Earth years later for a total of ~41 EARTH YEARS now in 2018, jones.


Idiot. Voyager is nowhere near the Oort cloud, you loon! That is estimated at 50 000 - 200 000 AU. Voyager is somewhere in the vicinity of the heliopause, at ~ 120 AU. Dummy. However, do keep showing your ignorance of all things scientific. It is amusing.
jonesdave
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 12, 2018

Ojorf says geometry; YOU say trigonometry. Who said anything about reaching Alpha Centauri?
I was only referring to reaching the Oort Cloud and beyond it to interstellar space for the space telescope w/ peripherals. What is wrong with you??


Nothing wrong with me. Trig is part of the broader subject of geometry. Which you would know, had you ever attended high school. Fool. You need your telescope at 40 million light years distance to see the centre of the beam. Know how far that is, you numpty? Andromeda is ~ 2.5m l yrs!
What is it with these uneducated loons that makes them want to comment on subjects that they don't have any grasp of. Such as high school maths? Beats me.
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018
Parmenides and The vacuum of space
SEU> LOL I have just realised that I have always been saying that Space itself has always existed in the same form and size even before…

The infinite dimension of the vacuum has by definition no beginning and no end as it is a vacuum (you cannot have half a vacuum) and a vacuum is singular by nature –it is like absolute zero temperature, there is only one absolute zero temperature, – the vacuum cannot be destroyed as it is absolute zero nothing

SEU:- It was Parmenides who could not grasp nothing exits in the form of a pure vacuum (the space between protons is the vacuum)

Space exist as a vacuum, which is nothing, seems to be a difficult concept to grasp

One of the earliest Western philosophers to consider nothing as a concept was Parmenides (5th century BC), who was a Greek philosopher of the monist school. He argued that "nothing" cannot exist by the following line of reasoning https://en.wikipe.../Nothing
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018
Realising you have unintentional grasped a concept
SEU> LOL I have just realised that I have always been saying that Space itself has always existed in the same form and size even before…

SEU:- once you have grasped: Space exist as a vacuum, which is nothing!
You're ready to grasp the next concept, as space exists as a vacuum, as a vacuum is nothing you have by definition SEU, unintentional grasped that nothing exists, and the nothing that exists is in the form of what we daily describe as Space; i.e. I'm going into space to visit the space station - the vacuum is commonly described by the adjective "Space" where atoms occupy the vacuum
Which SEU is where my descriptive emerged as a self explanatory descriptive "The Vacuum Of Space"
The Vacuum Of Space encapsulates everything that I think you have unintentional grasped SEU.
The vacuum of space is infinite in its dimensions without beginning or end!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
5 / 5 (2) Sep 12, 2018
https://phys.org/...ron.html


""We were lucky to be able to observe this event, because if the jet had been pointed much farther away from Earth, the radio emission would have been too faint for us to detect," said Gregg Hallinan of Caltech.
___________________

As I said before:

Perhaps someday in the not too distant future, a space optical telescope, equipped with Radio, IR, X-ray, etc. instruments will be sent off to somewhere beyond the Oort Cloud or in the spaces between the Stars, so that Radio and all other emissions may be detected even if not pointed directly at, or away from the vicinity of Earth.It will take many years also of traveling to get there, (eg. Voyager1 and 2) but it will be worth the wait to have such a "warning signal" available, just in case."

Do try to comprehend the difference between "somewhere beyond the Oort Cloud, and "at 40 million light years distance to see the centre of the beam."
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Sep 12, 2018
Voyager1 has passed the inner and outer Oort Cloud and is now within interstellar space. If, in 1977 it had been equipped with such instruments as I had proposed, it would have been sending back more data as it passes far beyond the SS.
It is not necessary to calculate in light years, but only to calculate the distance that Voyager1 has traveled from Earth. If that distance eventually translates into ly then all well and good. By the time that Voyager1's power plant is depleted, it might well be one of more light years distant.

I don't intend to quibble with your maths. If you insist on traveling a ly for a beam (which is not what I had spoken of), then that is your misfortune.
I said what I had intended to say wrt future missions, so if your intention is to change my meaning, then it is you that has no understanding of a simply worded statement.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Sep 12, 2018

"
The Oort cloud (/ɔːrt, ʊərt/),[1] named after the Dutch astronomer Jan Oort, sometimes called the Öpik–Oort cloud,[2] is a theoretical cloud of predominantly icy planetesimals proposed to surround the Sun at distances ranging from 50,000 to 200,000 AU (0.8 to 3.2 ly).[note 1][3] It is divided into two regions: a disc-shaped inner Oort cloud (or Hills cloud) and a spherical outer Oort cloud. Both regions lie beyond the heliosphere and in interstellar space.[3][4] The Kuiper belt and the scattered disc, the other two reservoirs of trans-Neptunian objects, are less than one thousandth as far from the Sun as the Oort cloud.
The outer limit of the Oort cloud defines the cosmographical boundary of the Solar System and the extent of the Sun's Hill sphere.[5] The outer Oort cloud is only loosely bound to the Solar System, and thus is easily affected by the gravitational pull both of passing stars and of the Milky Way itself. These forces occasionally dislodge comets from...."
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018
As you can read from the Wiki statement above, the Oort Cloud is a theoretical cloud proposed to surround the Sun at distances ranging from 50,000 to 200,000 AU.

As the examples that I had spoken of, namely Voyager1 and Voyager2 - Voyager1 has already crossed the Oort Cloud and has entered interstellar space within a time frame of ~35 Earth years only 6 years ago as of 2012,
it is not inconceivable that a future mission could accomplish the same in much less time covering the same distance even with a possibly heavier payload.

Again - Voyager1 has surpassed the 200,000 AU mark (3.2 ly) after only ~35 Earth years' timeframe. The trip to see a beam is immaterial at this point, and any images and graphs in use are already old and inaccurate in realtime.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018
Realising you have unintentional grasped a concept
SEU> LOL I have just realised that I have always been saying that Space itself has always existed in the same form and size...

SEU:- once you have grasped: Space exist as a vacuum, which is nothing!
You're ready to grasp the next concept, as space exists as a vacuum, as a vacuum is nothing you have by definition SEU, unintentional grasped that nothing exists, and the nothing that exists is in the form of what we daily describe as Space; i.e. I'm going into space to visit the space station - the vacuum is commonly described by the adjective "Space" where atoms occupy the vacuum
Which SEU is where my descriptive emerged as a self explanatory descriptive "The Vacuum Of Space"
The Vacuum Of Space encapsulates everything that I think you have unintentional grasped SEU.
The vacuum of space is infinite in its dimensions without beginning or end!
says granville

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Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018
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@granville
I have to disagree that the vacuum of Space is made out of "nothing". Space is only partially empty as it "houses" Matter/Energy's atoms and molecules. If Space was truly "nothing" and had no substance of its own, then how could it "support" the Matter/Energy that exists within it? If the 4 Forces are responsible to give to Space their properties, then how would those "properties" react with the Nothing?

Some have given Space the title of: "the Fabric of Space" and shown Space as a stretchable formation where Mass of various densities, weights and other features are comfortably ensconced into a pit-like span. But such a concept would indicate that there is something of substance to Space itself - over and above all interactions with.

I tend to believe that Space is a form of Energy...that might even be electrical energy of a very low current, which may be why there are interactions with Matter.
Benni
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 12, 2018
I tend to believe that Space is a form of Energy that might even be electrical energy of a very low current, which may be why there are interactions with Matter.


All this entails just one thing that is not well understood by Pop-Cosmology, the immutable 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, ENTROPY.

If the Universe is not a closed boundary system, there is no Distribution of Energy which is what ENTROPY is. The most simple way of comprehending all that we see around us is by viewing the Universe as a bounded stellar island within an infinite expanse of SPACE.

The forces of Energy Distribution & Gravity are perfectly balanced to keep the value of ENTROPY greater than zero but less than one. If the bounded system develops a sudden leak to the absolute vacuum beyond the bounds of the Universe, the value of ENTROPY will eventually fall to zero. How fast it falls depends on the size of the leak & the quantity of mass being transformed to energy stemming the exit of mass/energy.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 12, 2018
All this entails just one thing that is not well understood.....


By f***wits like Benni! Not good at science, are you, dear:? Want me to link to some of your classics, you complete f***wit? Seriously, mate; give up. You are thick. Just accept the fact that you have the IQ of a decomposing badger, and you'll be just fine. Eh?
Why do you continue to post on science articles when it is bleeding obvious to anyone that you are scientifically illiterate?
Eejit.
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 12, 2018
As you can read from the Wiki statement above, the Oort Cloud is a theoretical cloud proposed to surround the Sun at distances ranging from 50,000 to 200,000 AU.

As the examples that I had spoken of, namely Voyager1 and Voyager2 - Voyager1 has already crossed the Oort Cloud and has entered interstellar space within a time frame of ~35 Earth years only 6 years ago as of 2012,
it is not inconceivable that a future mission could accomplish the same in much less time covering the same distance even with a possibly heavier payload.

Again - Voyager1 has surpassed the 200,000 AU mark (3.2 ly) after only ~35 Earth years' timeframe. The trip to see a beam is immaterial at this point, and any images and graphs in use are already old and inaccurate in realtime.


Oh dear. What a cretin. Voyager, you burke, is at ~ 140 AU. Idiot. Learn to science. Yes? Prat.
Benni
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 12, 2018
Why do you continue to post on science articles


.......because I took Thermodynamics as part of my Nuclear/Electrical Engineering studies during my six years in Engineering school, by comparison all you have is Anthropology.
granville583762
4.3 / 5 (6) Sep 12, 2018
Occupying the vacuum
SEU> @granville
I have to disagree that the vacuum of Space is made out of "nothing". Space is only partially empty as it "houses" Matter/Energy's atoms and molecules.. Some have given Space the title of: "the Fabric of Space" and shown Space as a stretchable formation where Mass of various densities, weights and other features are comfortably ensconced into a pit-like span. But such a concept would indicate that there is something of substance to Space itself - over and above all interactions with.
I tend to believe that Space is a form of Energy...that might even be electrical energy of a very low current, which may be why there are interactions with Matter.

Energy, protons, electrons, neutrinos, gravity and photons occupy the vacuum!
The space between the protons, electrons, neutrinos is empty space which is the vacuum, the protons, electrons, neutrinos, gravity and photons are simply moving through the vacuum
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018


it is not inconceivable that a future mission could accomplish the same in much less time covering the same distance even with a possibly heavier payload.

Again - Voyager1 has surpassed the 200,000 AU mark (3.2 ly) after only ~35 Earth years' timeframe. The trip to see a beam is immaterial at this point, and any images and graphs in use are already old and inaccurate in realtime.


Oh dear. What a cretin. Voyager, you burke, is at ~ 140 AU. Idiot. Learn to science. Yes? Prat.


That's 142.31 AU

"Having operated for 41 years and 7 days as of September 12, 2018, the spacecraft still communicates with the Deep Space Network to receive routine commands and return data. At a distance of 142.31 astronomical units (2.1289×1010 km; 1.3229×1010 mi) (21.289 billion kilometers; 13.229 billion miles) from the Sun as of June 4, 2018,[3] it is the most distant man-made object from Earth.[4]"
and is in interstellar space.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018
What part of this do you not understand?

"On August 25, 2012, Voyager 1 became the first spacecraft to cross the heliopause and enter the interstellar medium.[8"

That is 6 years ago.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2018
Realising you have unintentional grasped a concept
SEU> LOL I have ...

SEU:- once you have grasped: Space exist as a vacuum, which is nothing!
You're ready to grasp the next concept, as space exists as a vacuum, as a vacuum is nothing you have by definition SEU, unintentional grasped that nothing exists, and (...) the vacuum is commonly described by the adjective "Space" where atoms occupy the vacuum
Which SEU is where my descriptive emerged as a self explanatory descriptive "The Vacuum Of Space"
The Vacuum Of Space encapsulates everything that I think you have unintentional grasped SEU.
The vacuum of space is infinite in its dimensions without beginning or end!
says granville

Exactly. The vacuum of Space has Dimensions. An object that has Dimensions cannot be ever completely empty, Space must be a 3Dimensional object which is why the term, Spacetime came into being. As you said, it is infinite. But it is Energy and Matter-friendly also.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Sep 13, 2018
@granville
In reality, if Space is a "nothing", then it cannot have any dimensions to it, nor can it be infinite or finite. Even what we call Time cannot affect a "nothing" if Time had such a capability to affect anything at all other than as a measurement.

Sorry granville, but on this we must disagree.

Space has always existed, so it is eternal rather than infinite.
granville583762
4.3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
- The Vacuum -

The vacuum of space is infinite in its dimensions without beginning or end!
You have to look at the vacuum devoid of all energy, protons, electrons, neutrinos, gravity and photons (i.e a vacuum)

SEU:- by infinite, I mean - limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure, without end, never-ending - which I define as "infinite in its dimensions" and so by definition as the vacuum is infinite in its dimensions it always existed "infinite in its dimensions without beginning or end"
And so space as a vacuum cannot be squashed stretched, it is not a rubber band that is flexible because The Vacuum is not a substance, consequently it is not stretched gravity as then gravity becomes warped vacuum, as I thing you will agree it is not possible to have warped vacuum, and by definition it is not possible to have half a vacuum, consequently there is only one vacuum - which is The vacuum of space or more simply - The Vacuum -
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
Sanctuary
The reason The Vacuum is limitless in its dimensions, is if a limit is placed on its dimensions the question arises as to what is outside the event horizon – remember Jenny Agutter in Logans Run and sanctuary, there was in fact no sanctuary outside the intellectual wall that had been imposed on its inhabitants as they found out when they met Peter Ustinov as the old wrinkled man!
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
Why do you continue to post on science articles


.......because I took Thermodynamics as part of my Nuclear/Electrical Engineering studies during my six years in Engineering school, by comparison all you have is Anthropology.


Nope. You are lying. You know diddly about anything to do with nuclear science. Liar.
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
What part of this do you not understand?

"On August 25, 2012, Voyager 1 became the first spacecraft to cross the heliopause and enter the interstellar medium.[8"

That is 6 years ago.


Which, you idiot, is nowhere near the Oort cloud. Moron. Which part of 50 000-200 000 AU do you not understand, you pillock? Is 50 000 a bigger number than 140? Yes or no, you uneducated burke?
434a
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
@SEU
Again - Voyager1 has surpassed the 200,000 AU mark (3.2 ly) after only ~35 Earth years' timeframe.


Here let me try and help. We'll use 1 full stop . to represent 1 AU.

SunMecuryVenus.Earth(1AU).Mars...Jupiter....Saturn(9.6AU)..........Uranus...........Neptune.........Pluto(39 AU).....................................................................................................Heliopause(140AU)..Voyager1(142AU/0.002 light years)..............................................................................................................................................................
........................................................................................................................................................................
........................................................................................................................................................................
......
434a
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
........................................................................................................................................................................
........................................................................................................................................................................
.....................Inner Edge of the Oort cloud (lowest estimate I could find, 1000 AU/0.016 light years)

I'll stop here because at 1,000 characters per post I will need 49 more posts i.e. 50,000 AU before I could represent where the lowest estimate of the outer edge of the Oort cloud is thought to be, 0.8 of a light year from the Sun.

As you can see Voyager 1 and the Heliopause are well inside the inner edge of the Oort cloud which itself is inside 1 light year.

It will take Voyager 1 another 240 years to reach the inner Oort cloud and about 17,700 Earth years to travel 1 light year.
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
Sanctuary
The reason The Vacuum is limitless in its dimensions, is if a limit is placed on its dimensions the question arises as to what is outside the event horizon – remember Jenny Agutter in Logans Run and sanctuary,

And so SEU, were free to choose whatever Sanctuary are little hearts desire, as when it comes down to The Vacuum we inhabit, philosophers have been trying to define it for a 1000 years, as in another thousand years in one your after lives, you will be discussing this topic on a forum in 3018 - the mind boggles! And we will have passed the Ort-Cloud by then, so the present question will be irrelevant!
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
Again - Voyager1 has surpassed the 200,000 AU mark (3.2 ly) after only ~35 Earth years' timeframe.


Oh dear. Only just noticed this! What a burke! We need to add comprehension skills to the list of things that SEU doesn't possess.
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
Pretty pic for SEU, given that he doesn't seem to understand written English:

https://en.wikipe...llar.jpg

Note that the scale is logarithmic.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
......discussing this topic on a forum in 3018 - the mind boggles! And we will have passed the Ort-Cloud by then, so the present question will be irrelevant!


Errrr, no. Just no. Maths! ~ 40 years to reach 140 AU. How many years to reach 200 000 AU? Dear me.

Benni
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
SEU:- by infinite, I mean - limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure, without end, never-ending - which I define as "infinite in its dimensions" and so by definition as the vacuum is infinite in its dimensions it always existed "infinite in its dimensions without beginning or end"
And so space as a vacuum cannot be squashed stretched, it is not a rubber band that is flexible because The Vacuum is not a substance, consequently it is not stretched gravity as then gravity becomes warped vacuum, as I thing you will agree it is not possible to have warped vacuum, and by definition it is not possible to have half a vacuum, consequently there is only one vacuum - which is The vacuum of space or more simply - The Vacuum


One hundred % agreement provided it is understood that SPACE is what lies outside the bounds of the Universe. The Universe cannot exist outside the immutable 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Benni
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
Why do you continue to post on science articles


.......because I took Thermodynamics as part of my Nuclear/Electrical Engineering studies during my six years in Engineering school, by comparison all you have is Anthropology.


Nope. You are lying. You know diddly about anything to do with nuclear science. Liar.

Did you take a Thermodynamics course while studying Anthropology at Uni? I would remind you, lots of Calculus in engineering courses involving Thermodynamics, and along with Calculus come those vaunted Differential Equations, you didn't know that did you?

So how is your best memory serving you? Do you still think you took Differential Equations in some high school Algebra course, and maybe you even took Thermodynamics there at the same time? I know, your next line of bullshit will come off telling us you also took Calculus in that high school Algebra course.
hat1208
3 / 5 (4) Sep 13, 2018
@Benni

What are your supposed qualifications since you like to make a point of trying to emasculate others based on their education let us all know what the legend in his/her own mind has as credentials, please
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 13, 2018
OK I suppose that I should concede that you were right and I was wrong, and that it will take ~300 years before Voyager1 arrives at the inner edge of the Oort Cloud. Although these NASA scientists continue to say that V1 has entered into interstellar space, it still is being largely influenced by the Sun. In that regard I don't understand why they claim that V1 is already in interstellar space when "interstellar" should mean about equidistant between 2 close stars. Perhaps it was imperative for them consider how the public would feel if it was told that it would take another 300 years to be beyond the Oort Cloud and then truly out of the influence of the solar system.

I know that you think that I'm stupid, and I did fall for the "interstellar" lie. I now understand that V1 is nowhere near actual interstellar space and they are lying in order to please the public. They give a few facts and then lie wrt its true location.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 13, 2018
Most of the public will not be bothered to figure out what an AU is, and I have to admit that I wasn't considering the difference between 142.31 AU and 50,000. I miscalculated.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 13, 2018
In several years from now, they will begin shutting down Voyager1's instruments to preserve power. But I don't think that V1 will make it past the Oort Cloud after all, And from what I've read, V1's power will have shut off long before it reaches the outer edge of the Oort Cloud and it will keep going until something stops it. If it had been equipped with a nuclear power plant/propulsion system then it could continue sending back data for many thousands of years.

Perhaps I was wrong in thinking that such an optical space telescope equipped with many instruments for IR, X-ray, and others someday in the future traveling out to "real" interstellar space is too unrealistic and could never be. I will discuss it with my team and let them know that it is an impossible task.

Thank you all for being so kind as to making me understand the truth in such a nice and gentle way.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Sep 13, 2018
Sanctuary
The reason The Vacuum is limitless in its dimensions, is if a limit is placed on its dimensions the question arises as to what is outside the event horizon – remember Jenny Agutter in Logans Run and sanctuary,

And so SEU, were free to choose whatever Sanctuary are little hearts desire, as when it comes down to The Vacuum we inhabit, philosophers have been trying to define it for a 1000 years, as in another thousand years in one your after lives, you will be discussing this topic on a forum in 3018 - the mind boggles! And we will have passed the Ort-Cloud by then, so the present question will be irrelevant!
says granville

I don't recall seeing either movie, but I will try to find them.
I really don't think that we will have an opportunity to discuss anything in a forum in the afterlife. But I won't worry about it, not even in 3018 AD.
Speaking of Dimensions, I know for a fact that other Dimensions do exist, from Experience.
434a
5 / 5 (4) Sep 13, 2018
@SEU

Nice to see someone admit they are human on here, we all make mistakes.

And your question about what constitutes interstellar space is a good one. The definition is nothing like as precise as a law for example. I don't see anyone lying though.

Basically, at some point the solar wind that is made of hot i.e. fast moving plasma leaving the Sun, stops being the predominant medium and cold, denser plasma takes over. There was predicted to be a significant increase in the number of high energy cosmic rays in IS space as well.

Voyager 1 provided the evidence for the change between these two states, hot sparse vs cold dense.

https://www.space...oof.html

It just happens to be that the Oort cloud would be in that cold dense interstellar medium. That maybe the case for all solar systems due to the way in which they evolve or it may not, we'll find out one day.
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
......lots of Calculus in engineering courses involving Thermodynamics, and along with Calculus come those vaunted Differential Equations, you didn't know that did you?


Says the idiot that can't even do basic maths. As proven. Doesn't know what a half-life is. Had to be told that beta decay is, in fact, radioactive decay. And so on. Like I said; why do you keep posting on subjects that you don't understand? Other than Dunning-Kruger syndrome?

Benni
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
......lots of Calculus in engineering courses involving Thermodynamics, and along with Calculus come those vaunted Differential Equations, you didn't know that did you?


basic maths. As proven. Like I said; why do you keep posting on subjects that you don't understand?


You being the one who posts having an Astronomy degree from Uni at Auckland, an institution that has NEVER had such an offering in the history of it's curriculum.

Isn't it just so nice that you've been able to come here & learn from Benni what neutron beta decay is? You, 434, Ojo, etc. Yeah, completely threw into chaos one of the holy grail's of Pop-Cosmology in looking for that vaunted degenerate neutron they can't prove exists.

jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
Isn't it just so nice that you've been able to come here & learn from Benni what neutron beta decay is? You, 434, Ojo, etc. Yeah, completely threw into chaos one of the holy grail's of Pop-Cosmology in looking for that vaunted degenerate neutron they can't prove exists.


Benni, ypu don't know the first thing about science, as you keep proving. You have never studied nor worked in science, you uneducated loon. You are merely a Dunning-Kruger affected blowhard.

Benni
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
Isn't it just so nice that you've been able to come here & learn from Benni what neutron beta decay is? You, 434, Ojo, etc. Yeah, completely threw into chaos one of the holy grail's of Pop-Cosmology in looking for that vaunted degenerate neutron they can't prove exists.


Benni, ypu don't know the first thing about science, as you keep proving. You have never studied nor worked in science, you uneducated loon. You are merely a Dunning-Kruger affected blowhard.


.....but hasn't it been just so nice to learn so much from me? Look at one thing you've learned from me, that Uni at Auckland doesn't offer the Astronomy degree you claimed you received there.

From what you recall about Thermodynamics in that Astronomy course you never took, maybe you can tell us why entropy can be replaced by dark energy?
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2018
.....but hasn't it been just so nice to learn so much from me?


Hahahahahahahahahaha. This from a clown who can't even do basic maths, thinks visible light doesn't heat things, thinks a half-life is the time it takes for an atom to lose half of its mass, and had to have it pointed out to him that beta decay is radioactive decay!
Nope, the only thing anybody has learned from Benni the burke, is the astonishing level to which an individual can be affected by Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
@ 434a

I rated you 5 because you seem like a fairly decent fellow. But I will let you in on my little secret, if you promise not to tell anyone else. heheh I am an unapologetic practical joker. I was just having fun pulling jones' leg, so to speak. I started in the other forum where my comment was first in line. Then antialias and Ojorf picked up on it. And Ojorf took it to THIS forum, and so I continued it by baiting old jonesy into having a go-round with me. It was just a bit of good old British humour on my part. jones - LOL
I knew all along that the Oort Cloud is too far for a space telescope (with other instruments) to travel to in this century, and that the time element to arrive at a place where the Sun would no longer have any influence is ridiculous. I read many papers attesting to it, but I needed some laughs anyway.
jones and so many others who frequent this site are such dull deadheads. But I think that Benni and gran had some inkling as to what I was up to.
:)
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (3) Sep 13, 2018
LOL I see that jones is still of the opinion that "visible light" ALL BY ITSELF, is able to heat things.
I have already explained that light/photons carry other particles to which heat is attributed.
Photons/Light are massless and do NOT carry heat UNLESS vibrating atoms/particles have hitched a ride on the photons. I even mentioned that fireflies emit light but not heat. It went ignored. (crickets)
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
Jenny Agutter's Sanctuary
remember Jenny Agutter in Logans Run and sanctuary -I don't recall seeing either movie, but I will try to find them.

There is only one film SEU Logans Run, Sanctuary does not exist because you will have to watch the film with Jenny Agutter and with Peter Ustinov as the wrinkled old man, Then watch Jenny Agutter 's railway children, and other films Walkabout (1971) in the Australian outback https://en.wikipe..._Agutter a rare talent!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Sep 13, 2018
@SEU

Nice

And your question about what constitutes interstellar space is a good one. The definition is nothing like as precise as a law for example. I don't see anyone lying though.

Basically, at some point the solar wind that is made of hot i.e. fast moving plasma leaving the Sun, stops being the predominant medium and cold, denser plasma takes over. There was predicted to be a significant increase in the number of high energy cosmic rays in IS space as well.

Voyager 1 provided the evidence for the change between these two states, hot sparse vs cold dense.

https://www.space...oof.html

It just happens to be that the Oort cloud would be in that cold dense interstellar medium. That maybe the case for all solar systems due to the way in which they evolve or it may not, we'll find out one day.
says 434a

I'm afraid not. WE won't find out, but it is likely that others might, in the future.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
@ 434a

I rated you 5 because you seem like a fairly decent fellow. But I will let you in on my little secret, if you promise not to tell anyone else. heheh I am an unapologetic practical joker. I was just having fun pulling jones' leg, so to speak. I started in the other forum where my comment was first in line. Then antialias and Ojorf picked up on it. And Ojorf took it to THIS forum, and so I continued it by baiting old jonesy into having a go-round with me. It was just a bit of good old British humour on my part. jones - LOL
I knew all along that the Oort Cloud is too far for a space telescope (with other instruments) to travel to in this century, and that the time element to arrive at a place where the Sun would no longer have any influence is ridiculous. I read many papers attesting to it, but I needed some laughs anyway.


What a prat. You made a complete tit of yourself, and are now trying to squirm out of your horrific misunderstanding. Sad.

jonesdave
3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
And Ojorf took it to THIS forum, and so I continued it by baiting old jonesy into having a go-round with me.


If you were baiting me, you tit, then why were you arguing with Ojorf, you sad muppet?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (2) Sep 13, 2018
@ 434a
While our scientists/physicists/researchers/Engineers are looking toward outer space, WE will have to muddle through what is happening here on Earth, and try to keep smiling through it all.

To many, there is the Politics of Science, the Religion of Science and Game of Science. I particularly like the Game of Science, where scientists choose to keep silent (for the most part) wrt their discoveries when they believe that certain things may hurt their careers if the public gets wind of such things, of which there are many.
Artifacts on Mars, and here on Earth that are of anomalous origin are tossed off as Conspiracy Theorist materiel - and not to be thoroughly investigated.
But we have no control over what is spoon-fed to us and must wait - and wait - and try to learn as much as we can in websites such as this one.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
LOL I see that jones is still of the opinion that "visible light" ALL BY ITSELF, is able to heat things.


What are you talking about, you loon?

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 13, 2018
And Ojorf took it to THIS forum, and so I continued it by baiting old jonesy into having a go-round with me.


If you were baiting me, you tit, then why were you arguing with Ojorf, you sad muppet?
says jones

LOL Perhaps you don't recall the sequence of events. Ojorf is the one that brought his query and the link to my original comment to THIS forum. And I accessed the other forum and brought my original comment here so that I could discuss it with him. I had intended to allow Ojorf the information that I was only kidding in the other forum, but I never got the chance.
That's when YOU decided to get in on the fray and toss your tuppence into the ring.
So I let you prattle on and on and on, while laughing at you and your silly ad hominem, while you behaved in such a dastardly manner.

Do all New Zealanders behave as you do? If so, I hope to never meet one in person.
LOL
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 13, 2018
Jenny Agutter's Sanctuary
remember Jenny Agutter in Logans Run and sanctuary -I don't recall seeing either movie, but I will try to find them.

There is only one film SEU Logans Run, Sanctuary does not exist because you will have to watch the film with Jenny Agutter and with Peter Ustinov as the wrinkled old man, Then watch Jenny Agutter 's railway children, and other films Walkabout (1971) in the Australian outback https://en.wikipe..._Agutter a rare talent!
says granville

OK gran. I will make a point of finding a copy of Logan's Run on DVD. I know that it is sci fi.
I like the Terminator movies also. there are so many good ones, and I have book cases full of DVDs.
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
What are you talking about, you loon?


.....a list of courses you took for that Astronomy degree you have claimed you earned from Uni Auckland that this institute doesn't have in it's curriculum.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2018
What are you talking about, you loon?


.....a list of courses you took for that Astronomy degree you have claimed you earned from Uni Auckland that this institute doesn't have in it's curriculum.


Yes they have you tosspot. I linked to them, you blind prick.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2018
LOL Perhaps you don't recall the sequence of events. Ojorf is the one that brought his query and the link to my original comment to THIS forum. And I accessed the other forum and brought my original comment here so that I could discuss it with him. I had intended to allow Ojorf the information that I was only kidding in the other forum, but I never got the chance.


Yes, I have the other thread open in another tab. You had plenty of time to say if you were joking, you soft arse. You carried on arguing with him. Stop lying. You made a complete prat of yourself, and just like the idiot Benni, you think everyone is going to forget about it.

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3.4 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
LOL Perhaps you don't recall the sequence of events. Ojorf is the one that brought his query and the link to my original comment to THIS forum. And I accessed the other forum and brought my original comment here so that I could discuss it with him. I had intended to allow Ojorf the information that I was only kidding in the other forum, but I never got the chance.


Yes, I have the other thread open in another tab. You had plenty of time to say if you were joking, you soft arse. You carried on arguing with him. Stop lying. You made a complete prat of yourself, and just like the idiot Benni, you think everyone is going to forget about it.



Do you think that I am talking in these forums 24/7 without breaks for meals, etc.?
You must be daft, you old buggerer.
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
I linked to them, you blind prick.
......try it again. maybe you remain confused by the numbers of similar letters in astronomy & anthropology.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2018
LOL Perhaps you don't recall the sequence of events. Ojorf is the one that brought his query and the link to my original comment to THIS forum. And I accessed the other forum and brought my original comment here so that I could discuss it with him. I had intended to allow Ojorf the information that I was only kidding in the other forum, but I never got the chance.


Yes, I have the other thread open in another tab. You had plenty of time to say if you were joking, you soft arse. You carried on arguing with him. Stop lying. You made a complete prat of yourself, and just like the idiot Benni, you think everyone is going to forget about it.



Do you think that I am talking in these forums 24/7 without breaks for meals, etc.?
You must be daft, you old buggerer.


Give it as rest, you scientifically illiterate burke. You're fooling nobody. If you were baiting anyone, it was Ojorf. We only have to look at your posts to see you were serious, you loon.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2018
I linked to them, you blind prick.
......try it again. maybe you remain confused by the numbers of similar letters in astronomy & anthropology.


Nope. Not my fault you are too thick to click on a link. Now, tell us again - what is a half-life? Lol.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
LOL Perhaps you don't recall the sequence of events. Ojorf is the one that brought his query and the link to my original comment to THIS forum. And I accessed the other forum and brought my original comment...


Yes, I have the other thread open in another tab. You had plenty of time to say if you were joking, you soft arse. You carried on arguing with him. Stop lying. You made a complete prat of yourself, and just like the idiot Benni, you think everyone is going to forget about it.



Do you think that I am talking in these forums 24/7 without breaks for meals, etc.?
You must be daft, you old buggerer.


Give it as rest, you scientifically illiterate burke. You're fooling nobody. If you were baiting anyone, it was Ojorf. We only have to look at your posts to see you were serious, you loon.


And YOU like to meddle in the conversations of others to appearImportant (in your own mind).
Ojorf stopped discussing with me after YOU jumped in
Benni
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
Now, tell us again - what is a half-life?
"jonesy" as opposed to "jonesdave".........and everybody laughs out loud.
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
And YOU like to meddle in the conversations of others to appearImportant (in your own mind).
Ojorf stopped discussing with me after YOU jumped in


And you never once explained to him that you were joking. Pull the other one, you burke. Want me to requote your posts? Lol.

jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
Now, tell us again - what is a half-life?
"jonesy" as opposed to "jonesdave".........and everybody laughs out loud.


What are you on about, loser? Let's see if we can figure out who was the gormless prat that said this:

You don't even know what the decay rate of a free neutron in beta decay is do you? It's 15 minutes.

If a free neutron ACTUALLY had a half-life decay rate it would be exactly HALF of 15 minutes, 7.5 and half it's mass would be gone, but that never happens because free neutrons do not have a half-life decay rate.


Read more at: https://phys.org/...html#jCp

No prizes for anyone who guesses right!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
And YOU like to meddle in the conversations of others to appearImportant (in your own mind).
Ojorf stopped discussing with me after YOU jumped in


And you never once explained to him that you were joking. Pull the other one, you burke. Want me to requote your posts? Lol.



Go right ahead. I have reread all of it already. No surprises there.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
Go right ahead. I have reread all of it already. No surprises there.


As can anyone else. You screwed up big time, didn't you? Never mind. Lol.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
Take your time. Make sure that you have gotten all dots and dashes. And be sure that you don't omit your responses.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
It is now 5:52pm and still waiting for old jones to finish buggering around.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Sep 13, 2018
It is now 6pm and still waiting for jones to finish buggering his BFF
jonesdave
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
Take your time. Make sure that you have gotten all dots and dashes. And be sure that you don't omit your responses.


Nope, you prat, I'm talking about your conversation with Ojorf. Voyager reached the Oort cloud! Lol. Send a probe to measure the beam? Haha. Can't do maths, can you? Or much else either.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
Good grief! Is jones including his copy of "Rules for Radicals" by Paul Alinsky to go with the nutcase's cut and paste copies of the conversations in this forum?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
ahaaa I never said the word "probe". Perhaps you are imagining things.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
Show me where I said to "send a probe to measure the beam".
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
Come on, jones. You can do it. You're good at interfering in other people' conversations and then attributing to someone a word that was not said. Go for it.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2018
(YAWN) ho hum
Is it Christmas yet?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2018
@Benni

Do you think that jones-tard was somehow waylaid on his way to the library or book store to find my comments in the spaces above?

Oh of course. jones is now in another article/forum discussing some other topic.
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2018
(YAWN) ho hum
Is it Christmas yet?


Here you go, retard:

Perhaps someday in the not too distant future, a space optical telescope, equipped with Radio, IR, X-ray, etc. instruments will be sent off to somewhere beyond the Oort Cloud or in the spaces between the Stars, so that Radio and all other emissions may be detected even if not pointed directly at, or away from the vicinity of Earth.It will take many years also of traveling to get there, (eg. Voyager1 and 2) but it will be worth the wait to have such a "warning signal" available, just in case


Read more at: https://phys.org/...html#jCp

Now, perhaps you could do the trig to find out how far it would have to travel. I think you'll find that 40m ly is rather a long distance! Pillock.
granville583762
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 14, 2018
The ghosts of JDs Crankiness
Almost 500 explosions found in galaxy cores are as many as JDs cranky expletives, a self diagnosed anthropology Dunning-Kruger gradate descending into the depths of an abyss of his own making, sad, but there it is - when were all gone he will be haunting these boards immersed in all the ghosts that got left behind in our rush to flee as fast as our little legs could carry us away!
jonesdave
1.7 / 5 (6) Sep 14, 2018
The ghosts of JDs Crankiness
Almost 500 explosions found in galaxy cores are as many as JDs cranky expletives, a self diagnosed anthropology Dunning-Kruger gradate descending into the depths of an abyss of his own making, sad, but there it is - when were all gone he will be haunting these boards immersed in all the ghosts that got left behind in our rush to flee as fast as our little legs could carry us away!


What you talking about, you Yorkshire tosspot? Nowt, as usual, yes? GCSEs a bit of a strain for you, were they, Granny? Need to come on here to make yourself feel better? Pretend that you know about stuff that is way over your head?
Hey, go seek out Benni the burke! Maybe we can cure you of this disease that makes you think that you understand science when, in reality, you would struggle to count your fingers and toes without a calculator. Yes? Perhaps you could do therapy together! Loon to loon, as it were! Happy days!
granville583762
4.3 / 5 (6) Sep 15, 2018
JDs mindless Dunning-Kruger ramblings

A sure sign all is not as it should be, is when JD, ends up in the dead of night where only the ghosts are fleeting round these boards while talking to himself in Dunger Kruger expletives that only JD as self diagnosed anthropology Dunning-Kruger gradate descending into the depths of an abyss of his own making can understand - Hey, go seek out Benni the burke! - do therapy together! - Loon to loon -Yorkshire tosspot? - Happy days! - As these are some of JDs Dunger Kruger expletive ramblings.

Help is needed to translate Dunger Kruger, maybe "Yorkshire tosspot?" is some kind of Yorkshires tea.
Up in Bettys of Harrogate, they do a fine tea and cakes https://www.betty...tea-bags

Harrogate is a fine stop over Town as a diversion from JDs mindless Dunger Kruger ramblings!

granville583762
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 15, 2018
Harrogate is a fine stop over Town as a diversion from JDs mindless Dunger Kruger ramblings!
One can relax in the fine settings of Bettys of Harrogate exclusive elaborate relaxing surrounding and let JDs mindless Dunger Kruger ramblings slip quietly from our thoughts as we sip our tea and savour Bettys scrumptious cakes and butter scones! https://www.betty...low-carr
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 15, 2018
When you visit Bettys old friends be that it may only on the internet, it takes you to a world that is a far cry from JDs mindless Dunger Kruger ramblings!, in fact old friends, if JD stepped foot in Bettys in full flow, he would find himself promptly ejected on to the street well clear of Bettys font door!
https://www.betty...arrogate
granville583762
4 / 5 (4) Sep 15, 2018
There can be only one, as the vacuum is singular by nature it has no dividing line
Benni> One hundred % agreement provided it is understood that SPACE is what lies outside the bounds of the Universe. The Universe cannot exist outside the immutable 2nd Law of Thermodynamics

There is only one vacuum, that what lies outside the bounds of the Universe as it the same vacuum, inside the bounds of the Universe, it is the same vacuum this side of the line as the vacuum is that side – it is not possible to subdivide the vacuum. as an example to airtight flasks evacuated contain the same vacuum as they do in a large airtight flask evacuated, the vacuum is singular by nature, cannot be stretched of compressed!

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