Almost 500 explosions found in galaxy cores

Almost 500 explosions found in galaxy cores
Artist impression of Gaia spacecraft. Credit: ESA–D. Ducros, 2013

Apart from a billion Milky Way stars, ESA's Gaia spacecraft also observes extragalactic objects. Its automated alert system notifies astronomers whenever Gaia spots a transient event. A team of astronomers have found out that by tweaking the existing automated system, Gaia can be used to detect hundreds of peculiar transients in the centres of galaxies. They found about 480 transients over a period of about a year. Their new method will be implemented in the system as soon as possible allowing astronomers to determine the nature of these events. The findings will be published in the November issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

In 2013, ESA launched its Gaia spacecraft to measure the location of a billion stars in the Milky Way and tens of millions of galaxies. Each position on the sky enters Gaia's view once every month, for a total of about 70 times during the mission. This allows the spacecraft to spot transient events, such as ripping stars apart or stars exploding as a supernova. Gaia will notice a change in brightness when it returns to the same patch of sky a month later. A team of astronomers from SRON, Radboud University and the University of Cambridge now report nearly 500 transients occurring in the centres of galaxies over a period of one year.

Astronomers Zuzanna Kostrzewa-Rutkowska, Peter Jonker (both affiliated with SRON and Radboud University), Simon Hodgkin and others searched the Gaia database for transient events around the nuclei of galaxies in the period between July 2016 and June 2017. They used a galaxy catalogue—from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey Release 12— and a custom-made mathematical tool. The new tool allows the researchers to identify rare luminous events coming from galactic centers. They dug up 480 events, of which only five were picked up before by the alert system.

Rapidly alerting the astronomical community is key for many of the events found. For about one hundred transients nothing out of the ordinary was observed by Gaia the month before and the month after detection, indicating that the event leading to the enhanced emission of light was short. 'Such events have great value because they could allow astronomers to study for a brief period previously invisible supermassive black holes,' says Jonker. 'Especially the short-duration events could point us to the location of the so far elusive ripping stars apart.'

The leading explanation for most events is that supermassive black holes residing in the nuclei of suddenly become much more active as the amount of gas falling into the black hole surges and lights up the close environment of the black hole. This fresh fuel may be extracted from a star which is ripped apart by the enormous gravitational pull of the black hole.

Peter Jonker, with Zuzanna Kostrzewa-Rutkowska and others from his group, has recently started a dense campaign to decipher the nature of the 480 new transients using the La Palma-based William Herschel Telescope.


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Image: Black hole bounty captured in the center of the Milky Way

More information: Z Kostrzewa-Rutkowska et al. Gaia transients in galactic nuclei, Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society (2018). DOI: 10.1093/mnras/sty2221
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Sep 07, 2018
Cosmic thunderbolts, no scary black hole monsters needed.

Sep 07, 2018
@ CD
Are you absolutely certain that it is caused by thunderbolts and not a BH? On what evidence do you base your argument on? I would like to believe you, but without substantial proof, you are only conjecturing. And your comment is too short to do much good for your side.

IMO, the BH's enormous attractive force pulls a Star's string of Plasma into the BH's environment, but in this scenario I am not sure that an immensely strong electrical field is built up.
If there were no Black Hole, then what chemical event would cause thunderbolts to occur?

I am an interested observer and a scholar here on a "need to know" basis. Thanks.

Sep 08, 2018
Black holes are faerie tales, non-existent maths constructs which has zero basis in reality.

That said, instabilities and exploding double layers occur in plasma all the time, at all scales.

Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe. But I will tell you this: the possibility of Black Holes in the actual Universe is frightening. Although we could never see one that might possibly affect our Solar System and, ultimately, all life on Earth - I do believe that there are many life forms in the Universe in many different stages of development who have been, or are in danger of their planet being drawn into a Black Hole - if such a thing exists.

Sep 08, 2018
As I am a Creationist, I can only say that I hope to God that you are right - that Black Holes don't really exist. As I am concerned about our animals whom we are supposed to protect, my thoughts also go to other planets and other "people" whom we may never meet due to the vast distance between their home and ours. I pray that they will be safe and enjoy happy lives.
It would depend on their level of progression as sentient beings, but I hope that if they are in a possible situation that their Star is going to explode, I hope that they have the science and the technology to get off their planet in order to survive.

Yes, I do worry about such things...even if it might seem silly.

Sep 08, 2018
That is because I don't believe that God the Creator only created life on Earth and nowhere else in the Universe...and to believe that we are IT would be too anthropocentric, as well as believing in our own superiority without good cause and evidence.

Sep 08, 2018
Cosmic thunderbolts, no scary black hole monsters needed.


Lol!

Black holes are faerie tales, non-existent maths constructs which has zero basis in reality.

That said, instabilities and exploding double layers occur in plasma all the time, at all scales.


Ditto.

Oh dear, why do these uneducated cranks always feel the need to comment on stuff they don't understand?


Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe.


That would be due to the fact that there is no science in electric universe woo. Purely an extension of the loon Velikovsky's idiotic ramblings.

Sep 08, 2018
Doubled layered blackholes or the faerie tales
cantdrive85> Black holes are faerie tales, non-existent maths constructs which has zero basis in reality. That said, instabilities and exploding double layers occur in plasma all the time, at all scales.

I like it cantdrive85, doubled layered blackholes, is this your interpretation of the blackholes event horizon and its accretion disk - are they by any chance CD, quasi neutral electrical current sheets enveloping the event horizon where the faeries and elves and other less deleterious inhabitants of this world of where goblins and trolls exist CD.

Sep 08, 2018
You are almost correct, except double layers and current sheets are real. BH's, event horizons, goblins, trolls, and such are the same kind of faerie tales.

Sep 08, 2018
You are almost correct, except double layers and current sheets are real. BH's, event horizons, goblins, trolls, and such are the same kind of faerie tales.


Show me a double layer or current sheet that can reproduce the orbits of the stars at the galactic centre. With the requisite maths and equations, of course.
Likewise, calculate how bright these non-existent exploding DLs would need to be, given the distances at which SDSS and Gaia are observing. Or just admit that you are making sh1t up, as usual.

Sep 08, 2018
Show me a double layer or current sheet that can reproduce the orbits of the stars at the galactic centre.

jonesdumb resorts to logical fallacies once again. The central object is a plasmoid, double layers and instabilities are always associated with them. No invisible magic monsters or faerie dust required.

Sep 08, 2018
Show me a double layer or current sheet that can reproduce the orbits of the stars at the galactic centre.

jonesdumb resorts to logical fallacies once again. The central object is a plasmoid, double layers and instabilities are always associated with them. No invisible magic monsters or faerie dust required.


Plasmoid? OK. Show me how a plasmoid can reproduce the orbits of the stars around Sgr A*, with the requisite maths and equations. Or point me to where it has been calculated. Otherwise, you are just making sh1t up, as usual.

Sep 08, 2018
The difference between suggesting plasmoids vs BH's?
Plasmoids are real physical objects, BH's are unfalsifiable non-physical maths constructs with no basis in reality. But you have an equation, so it must be real... LOL!

Sep 08, 2018
The difference between suggesting plasmoids vs BH's?
Plasmoids are real physical objects, BH's are unfalsifiable non-physical maths constructs with no basis in reality. But you have an equation, so it must be real... LOL!


So you admit that you just made that sh1t up. That will come as no surprise to anyone. No science, hmmm? How very EU!

Sep 08, 2018
The math is there for those who look, Peratt included it in his papers he produced.

Sep 08, 2018
The math is there for those who look, Peratt included it in his papers he produced.


Really? Which papers give the mass of the plasmoid, and calculate the orbits of the stars around Sgr A*?
I find it very unlikely that Peratt ever did such a thing. The absolute confirmation that Sgr A* was indeed at the centre of the galaxy, didn't come until 1999. As for the stars that orbit it, and its mass determination, that came from observations made from 1995 onwards.
So, he'll never have done those calculations. If he even knew of Sgr A*, he would have treated it merely as a radio source.
In short, those calculations have never been done, and a plasmoid is simply impossible as the object at the galactic centre.

Sep 08, 2018
According to Wiki:

Natural plasmoid produced in the near-Earth magnetotail by the magnetic reconnection.
A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields. Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning,[1][2] magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere,[3] and objects in cometary tails,[4] in the solar wind,[5][6] in the solar atmosphere,[7] and in the heliospheric current sheet. Plasmoids produced in the laboratory include field-reversed configurations, spheromaks, and in dense plasma focuses.

The word plasmoid was coined in 1956 by Winston H. Bostick (1916-1991) to mean a "plasma-magnetic entity":[8]

*The Plasma is emitted in the form of a Torus.*

Sep 08, 2018
According to Wiki:

Natural plasmoid produced in the near-Earth magnetotail by the magnetic reconnection.
A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields. Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning,[1][2] magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere,[3] and objects in cometary tails,[4] in the solar wind,[5][6] in the solar atmosphere,[7] and in the heliospheric current sheet. Plasmoids produced in the laboratory include field-reversed configurations, spheromaks, and in dense plasma focuses.

The word plasmoid was coined in 1956 by Winston H. Bostick (1916-1991) to mean a "plasma-magnetic entity":[8]

*The Plasma is emitted in the form of a Torus.*


It's going to be one hell of a plasmoid at ~ 4m solar masses!

Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe.


That would be due to the fact that there is no science in electric universe woo. Purely an extension of the loon Velikovsky's idiotic ramblings.
says jonesy

EU is no more idiotic than the mysterious ramblings of Zwicky's "Dark Matter" woo - the hidden substance which is supposedly dependent on waving its magic wand onto unsuspecting bits of Matter in order for that Matter to react unexplainably, being due to the invisible Dark Matter's unusual qualities of nonconformity wrt its effect(s) on the optical nature/evidence of Matter/Energy.

Does Dark Matter/Dark Energy have atomic structure or not? If it does, then it should be readily detected with the proper instruments. If it still cannot be detected, then it does not exist. And if it doe not exist, then why do scientists pretend that it does?

Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe.


That would be due to the fact that there is no science in electric universe woo. Purely an extension of the loon Velikovsky's idiotic ramblings.
says jonesy

EU is no more idiotic than the mysterious ramblings of Zwicky's "Dark Matter" woo - the hidden substance which is supposedly dependent on waving its magic wand onto unsuspecting bits of Matter in order for that Matter to react unexplainably, being due to the invisible Dark Matter's unusual qualities of nonconformity wrt its effect(s) on the optical nature/evidence of Matter/Energy.


What would you know? Are you qualified to assess either? No, would be the answer to that.

Sep 08, 2018
According to Wiki:

Natural plasmoid produced in the near-Earth magnetotail by the magnetic reconnection.
A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields. Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning,[1][2] magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere,[3] and objects in cometary tails,[4] in the solar wind,[5][6] in the solar atmosphere,[7] and in the heliospheric current sheet. Plasmoids produced in the laboratory include field-reversed configurations, spheromaks, and in dense plasma focuses.

The word plasmoid was coined in 1956 by Winston H. Bostick (1916-1991) to mean a "plasma-magnetic entity":[8]

*The Plasma is emitted in the form of a Torus.*


It's going to be one hell of a plasmoid at ~ 4m solar masses!
says jonesy

And why not? The Universe is big enough to accommodate such natural entities, and growing even bigger.
A Plasma/Plasmoid in the shape of a Torus could encompass many things of many sizes.

Sep 08, 2018
If only...
I am not familiar with the science of Electric Universe.


That would be (..)
says jonesy

EU is no more idiotic than the mysterious ramblings of Zwicky's "Dark Matter" woo - the hidden substance which is supposedly dependent on waving its magic wand onto unsuspecting bits of Matter in order for that Matter to react unexplainably, being due to the invisible Dark Matter's unusual qualities of nonconformity wrt its effect(s) on the optical nature/evidence of Matter/Energy.


What would you know? Are you qualified to assess either? No, would be the answer to that.


My qualifications are no concern of yours. You are not my University professor nor are you my employer. Let us just put it at that and be done with it. Yes?

Sep 08, 2018


And why not? The Universe is big enough to accommodate such natural entities, and growing even bigger.
A Plasma/Plasmoid in the shape of a Torus could encompass many things of many sizes.


Why not? You wouldn't understand. Science really isn't your thing. Why not go ask on a physics forum, huh?

Sep 08, 2018
How do you know that I haven't done so already? You are merely conjecturing about me and my qualifications, as well as my knowledge of science. You would do well to not involve yourself in the personal matters of others and just stick with the science.

Sep 08, 2018
....and just stick with the science.


What science? That a giant plasmoid is mimicking a 4m solar mass object? And affecting the orbits of the stars at the galactic centre? Yep, great. Show me this 'science' in the scientific literature, and I'll assess it. Until then, it is just idiotic woo.

Sep 08, 2018
"...Gaia spacecraft to measure the location of a billion stars in the Milky Way and tens of millions of galaxies. Each position on the sky enters Gaia's view once every month, for a total of about 70 times during the mission. This allows the spacecraft to spot transient events, such as supermassive black holes ripping stars apart or stars exploding as a supernova. Gaia will notice a change in brightness when it returns to the same patch of sky a month later. "

Gaia is truly an extraordinary instrument if it is able to assess the ripping apart of stars by Black Holes within a timeframe of only a month, by the process of comparing a present assessment with that of one in the past.
But it would have been so much more awesome if Gaia had been fitted with a motion camera also. Why scientists/Engineers don't think of these things, I would love to know.

Motion is key to understanding true sequence of events. Still shots are not quite as dramatic.

Sep 08, 2018
Why scientists/Engineers don't think of these things, I would love to know.


They probably do. And there are probably very good reasons why they don't use them. Power consumption comes to mind. Plus, for an event taking months, what is the point?

Sep 08, 2018
A Plasmoid in the shape of a Torus with a strong magnetic field could conceivably be attracted to a galaxy and stretch itself out so that it would enter and surround that galaxy from above or below it.
The Plasmoid could then "electrify"/energise the Matter that it encounters in varying degrees and in various parts of the Milky Way, for instance. This may be why lightning occurs in the skies of Earth. It might also mean that the Milky Way itself is a Torus.
This is only one possibility.

jonesy will not consider such a thing because jonesy is not open to new ideas, only that which is written in old textbooks that are no longer tenable.

Sep 08, 2018
jonesy will not consider such a thing because jonesy is not open to new ideas, only that which is written in old textbooks that are no longer tenable.


Nope, I don't consider because it is complete crap. If you think otherwise, write it up. Otherwise you are competing with astrology, homeopathy etc. Nothing to do with science.

Sep 08, 2018
Why scientists/Engineers don't think of these things, I would love to know.


They probably do. And there are probably very good reasons why they don't use them. Power consumption comes to mind. Plus, for an event taking months, what is the point?


Power consumption is not a valid excuse in this day and age - even in 2013 there was nuclear power as well as PV to power space telescopes. Curiosity has a nuclear power plant inside her. She was launched in 2012.

All the more reason why a motion camera should be included when it takes months, even years, to see exactly the processes of supernovae, and the possible Black Holes. The timed sequences of events and their duration needs to be seen and understood, instead of guesswork as to what had occurred during the interval between still shots.

Chalk it up to laziness on the part of these scientists/Engineers, etc. to be remiss in the inclusion of a monumentally necessary instrument such as the lowly motion camera.

Sep 08, 2018
jonesy will not consider such a thing because jonesy is not open to new ideas, only that which is written in old textbooks that are no longer tenable.


Nope, I don't consider because it is complete crap. If you think otherwise, write it up. Otherwise you are competing with astrology, homeopathy etc. Nothing to do with science.


You are set in your ways and will not accept new science ideas until new textbooks are written that refute and cancel most of what you have learnt already.
But nobody gives a whit of concern whether or not you come to understand that you have stubbornly misunderstood many new things that are being learnt and validated as fact in the future.

Sep 08, 2018
Why scientists/Engineers don't think of these things, I would love to know.


They probably do. And there are probably very good reasons why they don't use them. Power consumption comes to mind. Plus, for an event taking months, what is the point?


Power consumption is not a valid excuse in this day and age - even in 2013 there was nuclear power as well as PV to power space telescopes. Curiosity has a nuclear power plant inside her. She was launched in 2012.

All the more reason why a motion camera should be included when it takes months, even years, to see exactly the processes of supernovae, and the possible Black Holes. The timed sequences of events and their duration needs to be seen and understood, instead of guesswork as to what had occurred during the interval between still shots.
.


So, now you're a spacecraft engineer, as well?

Sep 08, 2018
jonesy will not consider such a thing because jonesy is not open to new ideas, only that which is written in old textbooks that are no longer tenable.


Nope, I don't consider because it is complete crap. If you think otherwise, write it up. Otherwise you are competing with astrology, homeopathy etc. Nothing to do with science.


You are set in your ways and will not accept new science ideas until new textbooks are written that refute and cancel most of what you have learnt already.
But nobody gives a whit of concern whether or not you come to understand that you have stubbornly misunderstood many new things that are being learnt and validated as fact in the future.


I've told you - there is no science. Point to it, if you believe otherwise. It is just made up woo. Should I accept that Jack's beanstalk is possible? It has as much science behind it. One cannot accept something that doesn't even exist.

Sep 08, 2018
One cannot accept something that doesn't even exist.


But you believe in free neutrons that you claim can exist for millions of years in violation of the immutable law of nuclear physics that a free neutron cannot exist for more than 14.7 minutes before decaying via beta decay.

Hmmmm, maybe there are some more things you believe exist that no one has ever seen? I know, you're good at invoking deities.

Sep 08, 2018
@cantdrive85.
The difference between suggesting plasmoids vs BH's?
Plasmoids are real physical objects, BH's are unfalsifiable non-physical maths constructs with no basis in reality...
If you have regard to known physics about the dynamics/instabilities inherent to plasmoid phenomena at all scales, then you must agree that IF those extreme objects we call Black Holes exist in reality, then they CANNOT BE PURELY PLASMOID features on such long time scales, because they would explode sooner rather than later. They therefore must be GRAVITATIONALLY constrained/stabilized by the cumulative effect/strength of gravitating matter aggregation and not just the E-M forces forming the alleged "BH" plasmoid (which said E-M forces would have torn it apart almost immediately after forming IF NO GRAVITATIONAL effects were present in its formation/maintenance).

@cantdrive, time to ditch those obviously wrong bits/claims; and stick with what is logically, plasma-reality, consistent.

Sep 08, 2018
One cannot accept something that doesn't even exist.


But you believe in free neutrons that you claim can exist for millions of years in violation of the immutable law of nuclear physics that a free neutron cannot exist for more than 14.7 minutes before decaying via beta decay.

Hmmmm, maybe there are some more things you believe exist that no one has ever seen? I know, you're good at invoking deities.


Sorry, but you simply do not understand the science of neutron stars, among many other things, so what you think is neither here nor there. Go read Oppenheimer. He knew a fair bit about it. Did some interesting work on nukes, as well.

Sep 08, 2018
Sorry, but you simply do not understand the science of neutron stars, among many other things, so what you think is neither here nor there


Ok, you were such a smart anthropology major at Uni Auckland, then you should be better able to explain how a DEGENERATE NEUTRON forms that can survive beyond the journey of the immutable 14.7 free neutron beta decay rate. And don't be invoking some deity as your excuse for your inability to explain it.

Why do you always need a link to explain why all the ghosty things you believe in never have pictures?

Sep 08, 2018
Sorry, but you simply do not understand the science of neutron stars, among many other things, so what you think is neither here nor there


Ok, you were such a smart anthropology major at Uni Auckland, then you should be better able to explain how a DEGENERATE NEUTRON forms that can survive beyond the journey of the immutable 14.7 free neutron beta decay rate. And don't be invoking some deity as your excuse for your inability to explain it.


Go read the literature, thicko. Plenty of scientific, peer-reviewed papers on it. And both of my degrees were astronomy related, f***wit. As opposed to the 'how to wash floors' course, which is likely the only course you have ever taken.
Just show me the refutation of neutron stars, and you won't have to explain anything. Know what, dumbo? It doesn't exist. This is all sh!t that a D-K affected loon, with the IQ of a badger, has dreamed up for himself, and doesn't have the balls to take to a physics forum. Do you, you fraud?

Sep 08, 2018
@Benni
I don't recall your ever saying in any of your posts that Neutron Stars don't exist. Would you please enlighten us as to whether or not your understanding is that supernovae could become Neutron Stars.

Sep 08, 2018
@ jones
Did one of both of your degrees in Anthropology that were somehow related to Astronomy also give you a C- grade for incivility toward your betters, and behaviour most reflective of a vicious dog protecting its cache of old bones? Such ferocity in your defense of your beliefs is unbecoming in a science website where children may come upon your vile rantings. Would you want your own children to learn such rude and vile language as you have heaped upon certain individuals here?

Sep 08, 2018
@ jones
Did one of both of your degrees in Anthropology that were somehow related to Astronomy also give you a C- grade for incivility toward your betters, and behaviour most reflective of a vicious dog protecting its cache of old bones? Such ferocity in your defense of your beliefs is unbecoming in a science website where children may come upon your vile rantings. Would you want your own children to learn such rude and vile language as you have heaped upon certain individuals here?


As long as they don't turn out to be scientifically illiterate, or religious fruitloops. Whatever.
Certain people here deserve everything they get. Anybody that comes on here calling scientists out as being stupid and ignorant, but doesn't have the balls to confront them, can do one, as far as I'm concerned. Time they learned to grow a pair, or STFU.

Sep 08, 2018
Just show me the refutation of neutron stars
......simple, no links required, the immutable 14.7 minute beta decay rate of a free neutron & you can't prove a free neutron can have anything other than that.

If you think there exists an almost eternal degenerate neutron, then explain it, I just explained in only about a dozen words why there isn't & you can't refute it except to go off on another one of your foul mouth rants.

One would think with your claims of being an astronomer, that you would be so up to speed on degenerate neutron theory that you could explain it with such fluency that all the readers here would become totally lost for a cogent response.

( by the way, in case you didn't know that I already know it, degrees in Astronomy only require a very cursory study of Nuclear Physics, & none go so deep as to the depths of particle decay I've dragged you into that is so far over your head, happy slow drowning)

Sep 08, 2018
@Benni
I don't recall your ever saying in any of your posts that Neutron Stars don't exist. Would you please enlighten us as to whether or not your understanding is that supernovae could become Neutron Stars.


No, they don't exist.

It's a Pop-Cosmology fantasy that there exists a 2 mile diameter body composed of a sub-atomic particle that can exist for only 14.7 minutes, but this is why you hear Pop-Cosmology use the term DEGENERATE NEUTRON & talk about such a particle as if it actually exists, none has EVER been isolated in the LHC.

Sep 08, 2018
^^^^Benni, you are a complete f***wit, with no understanding of ANY science, as has been proven time and time again, you deranged idiot.
There is a web's worth of material on neutron degeneracy, you tosser. Go look at it. Why the f*** should I p1ss about with a loser like you, on a comments section with a 1000 character limit? Go to bloody school, you thick swine.
The whole of mainstream science does not depend on me explaining anything to a tosspot who is too stupid to understand it. Save your pocket money, and go buy a book, you semi-educated loon;

https://books.goo...;f=false

Sep 08, 2018
No, they don't exist.


And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a retard in action. Lol.

https://arxiv.org...5840.pdf

Go refute it Benni, you jerk. It is accepted science. By scientists. You know - those people who actually went to school and college and got degrees, while you were frying burgers? Sorry, game over, they exist, and nobody is saying they don't, except a mentally deranged loon on a comments section. You lost. Read it and weep. Fool.

Sep 08, 2018
( by the way, in case you didn't know that I already know it, degrees in Astronomy only require a very cursory study of Nuclear Physics, & none go so deep as to the depths of particle decay I've dragged you into that is so far over your head, happy slow drowning)


This from a clown who can't even do basic maths, thinks visible light doesn't heat things, and thinks a half-life is the time it takes for an atom to lose half of its mass! I kid you not. Complete waste of space.

Sep 08, 2018
It is accepted science. By scientists.
......No, ONLY by Pop-Cosmologists, none whom know anything about nuclear physics, you know, people like you, prolific with your foul mouthed rantings but 99.9% short on immutable laws of Nuclear Physics.

Sep 08, 2018
It is accepted science. By scientists.
......No, ONLY by Pop-Cosmologist, none whom know anything about nuclear physics, you know, people like you, prolific with your foul mouthed rantings but 99.9% short on immutable laws of Nuclear Physics.


Benni, in case you haven't noticed, you know sh!t about nuclear physics, you fraud. Diddly squat. As shown.

Sep 08, 2018
No, ONLY by Pop-Cosmologist, none whom know anything about nuclear physics....


Jesus, what a w***er! Oppenheimer knew nothing about nuclear physics, hmmmm? Love to see you take that to a physics forum, but we all know you haven't got the balls for that, eh Benji?
You heard it here first folks - Benni rates himself a better nuclear physicist than Oppenheimer!
(Big difference here is that Oppenheimer was a nuclear physicist, Benni isn't.)

Sep 08, 2018
Benni, in case you haven't noticed, you know sh!t about nuclear physics, you fraud. Diddly squat. As shown.


Now, now you know this just can't be the case. It was from me you learned for the first time in your life that a free neutron has a 14.7 lifetime beta decay rate. Not only did you learn this from me, so did the entire company of the rant brigade. And the evidence for this is the fact there has never been a discussion in this chatroom during the history of my presence in it of the beta decay rate of a free neutron, and certainly not by you jonesy.

And now you're trying to tell us you are an astronomer without ever knowing this?

Sep 08, 2018
Benni, in case you haven't noticed, you know sh!t about nuclear physics, you fraud. Diddly squat. As shown.


Now, now you know this just can't be the case. It was from me you learned for the first time in your life that a free neutron has a 14.7 lifetime beta decay rate. Not only did you learn this from me, so did the entire company of the rant brigade. And the evidence for this is the fact there has never been a discussion in this chatroom during the history of my presence in it of the beta decay rate of a free neutron, and certainly not by you jonesy.

And now you're trying to tell us you are an astronomer without ever knowing this?


Yes, I knew it Benji, dear. We didn't need you to Google it, you prawn! That is why we ended up trying to explain to you what a half-life was, and you, being thick, totally failing to understand it! Jeez, what a clown.

Sep 08, 2018
@ jones

Re: light/photon emitting heat
form Quora

Do photons emit heat?

Kenneth D. Oglesby
Kenneth D. Oglesby, Engineer, Scientist, Founder www.mcphysics.org
Answered Mar 10 2017 · Author has 2.7k answers and 393.9k answer views

Not at all. The term 'heat' really means the level of vibration of matter, mostly atoms and molecules. That vibration level increases when that atom absorbs photons, electrons, other matter with kinetic energy. That same atom can lose vibration when it emits a particle while giving it kinetic energy. Thus photons do not 'emit' anything, but they do carry or possess kinetic energy, which allows photons to give and take away vibration or 'heat'.

Sep 08, 2018
we ended up trying to explain to you what a half-life was,
......and it is still incomprehensible to you why anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life, but you're an Astronomer (?), so I can see your problem, no comprehension of nuclear physics by your own admission.

I'm gonna run a check on that astronomy curriculum at Uni Auckland, I want to check what subject material is there presently & maybe as far back as 40 years ago. What would you like to wager the best I'll find are watered down versions of basic nuclear physics, certainly nothing that requires solutions via Differential Equations because we already know you don't know what those are having already claimed you took them in a high school algebra course.

Sep 08, 2018
Which papers give the mass of the plasmoid

The mass of the plasmoid is irrelevant, PC/EU are not a gravity only cosmology. Current density of the interacting Birkeland currents is a more important consideration.

Here is a paper which discusses plasmoids as being the source for the transient events;
https://arxiv.org...10.01700
If you have regard to known physics about the dynamics/instabilities inherent to plasmoid phenomena at all scales, then you must agree that IF those extreme objects we call Black Holes exist in reality, then they CANNOT BE PURELY PLASMOID

Sure it can, electric forces are 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity. Peratt's models were fully inclusive of GR, it just didn't make a difference whether it was or wasn't included.

Sep 08, 2018
@ jones

Scott M. Auerbach, a theoretical chemist at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst offers a more detailed answer:

"Light from the sun excites electrons in the atoms which constitute the brick wall. How does that electronic energy get converted to heat, you ask. The key is 'radiationless transitions.' Here's how it works: the atoms of the brick are perpetually vibrating. Some of those atoms vibrate sufficiently vigorously that their vibrational energy is roughly equal to the electronic energy (photons) absorbed from the sun--in essence, they are in resonance with the solar energy. Those atoms then make a quantum transition from 'electronically excited' to 'vibrationally excited,' meaning that the energy causes the whole atom to move. We feel that motion as "heat." The atoms which make the jump to vibrational excitation soon collide into neighboring atoms, dissipating their vibrational energy throughout the entire brick, making the brick hot th

Sep 08, 2018
we ended up trying to explain to you what a half-life was,
......and it is still incomprehensible to you why anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life, but you're an Astronomer (?), so I can see your problem, no comprehension of nuclear physics by your own admission.



Hey, sh!t for brains, you don't even understand beta decay, you fraud. As has been pointed out before. And you just proved it again, idiot. Does carbon-14 undergo beta-decay? Does it have a half-life? Did you ever attend school? High school physics, flunked by the deranged D-K loon Benji!

Sep 08, 2018
Which papers give the mass of the plasmoid

The mass of the plasmoid is irrelevant, PC/EU are not a gravity only cosmology. Current density of the interacting Birkeland currents is a more important consideration.

Here is a paper which discusses plasmoids as being the source for the transient events;
https://arxiv.org...10.01700
If you have regard to known physics about the dynamics/instabilities inherent to plasmoid phenomena at all scales, then you must agree that IF those extreme objects we call Black Holes exist in reality, then they CANNOT BE PURELY PLASMOID

Sure it can, electric forces are 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity. Peratt's models were fully inclusive of GR, it just didn't make a difference whether it was or wasn't included.


Peratt's models were sh!t. Why do you think they are not taken seriously? Even by himself any more, apparently. They were junk.

Sep 08, 2018
@ jones

Scott M. Auerbach, a theoretical chemist at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst offers a more detailed answer:

"Light from the sun excites electrons in the atoms which constitute the brick wall. How does that electronic energy get converted to heat, you ask. The key is 'radiationless transitions.' Here's how it works: the atoms of the brick are perpetually vibrating. Some of those atoms vibrate sufficiently vigorously that their vibrational energy is roughly equal to the electronic energy (photons) absorbed from the sun--in essence, they are in resonance with the solar energy. Those atoms then make a ......


Yes, I know. Visible light produces heating. Tell it to the idiot Benni. Nuclear physics isn't the only subject in which he is totally clueless.

Sep 08, 2018
@ jones

I don't thing that you quite understand that it isn't the light/photon itself that does the heating. Read the first one.
"Do photons emit heat?

Kenneth D. Oglesby
Kenneth D. Oglesby, Engineer, Scientist, Founder www.mcphysics.org
Answered Mar 10 2017 · Author has 2.7k answers and 393.9k answer views

Not at all. The term 'heat' really means the level of vibration of matter, mostly atoms and molecules. That vibration level increases when that atom absorbs photons, electrons, other matter with kinetic energy. That same atom can lose vibration when it emits a particle while giving it kinetic energy. Thus photons do not 'emit' anything, but they do carry or possess kinetic energy, which allows photons to give and take away vibration or 'heat'."

Sep 08, 2018
Heat is not the same thing as light. For instance, fireflies and some sea creatures who live in deep trenches emit light - but they don't emit heat.

Sep 08, 2018


Not at all. The term 'heat' really means the level of vibration of matter, mostly atoms and molecules. That vibration level increases when that atom absorbs photons, electrons, other matter with kinetic energy. That same atom can lose vibration when it emits a particle while giving it kinetic energy. Thus photons do not 'emit' anything, but they do carry or possess kinetic energy, which allows photons to give and take away vibration or 'heat'."


We are talking about visible light. That is light in the wavelength ~ 400 - 700 nm. And yes it does heat objects. It will be absorbed, causing vibration in the atoms of the substance, which heats it up, which heat will then be re-emitted as IR. Nobody ever said anything about visible light photons, or IR photons or any other kind. I am not going through this again.

Sep 08, 2018
Light/photons are massless, which means light/photon is Energy, but not Matter. The Matter that is picked up is the source of heat as that Matter vibrates. The light/photon is not the source.

Sep 08, 2018
from Wiki

"Thermal radiation is electromagnetic radiation generated by the thermal motion of charged particles in matter. All matter with a temperature greater than absolute zero emits thermal radiation. Particle motion results in charge-acceleration or dipole oscillation which produce electromagnetic radiation."

Visible light is not the same as infrared, although both could be carried together, such as in a heating lamp.

Sep 09, 2018

https://phys.org/...ays.html

Now THIS above link is more or less the equivalent of what I was referring to when I had mentioned earlier wrt the Plasmoid stretching itself to envelop a galaxy.

To wit:
"A Plasmoid in the shape of a Torus with a strong magnetic field could conceivably be attracted to a galaxy and stretch itself out so that it would enter and surround that galaxy from above or below it.
The Plasmoid could then "electrify"/energise the Matter that it encounters in varying degrees and in various parts of the Milky Way, for instance. This may be why lightning occurs in the skies of Earth. It might also mean that the Milky Way itself is a Torus."

Sep 09, 2018
All energy is frequency and wave
Nucleons oscillate, the De Broglie Frequency - the nucleons oscillate with frequency, we sense the atoms oscillating on our skin as the room temperature rise's - heat is oscillation, frequency and wave - it cannot be over said all energy is oscillation as a photon defines its status by gamma-rays by it frequency
It is the effects of these oscillations on matter cause the matter to glow and radiate heat in the electro-magnetic spectrum that is perceived as heat
As all energy is frequency and wave it is massless with zero temperature - it is energy of motion as it is kinetic energy just as inertial mass under gravitational motion and acceleration does not change it temperature as gravity increases its kinetic energy

Sep 09, 2018
Vibrating atoms hitting the hairs on our skin convert these vibrations into electrical signals to the brain which converts it to sensation of heat
SEU> "Light from the sun excites electrons in the atoms which constitute the brick wall. How does that electronic energy get converted to heat, you ask. The key is 'radiationless transitions. the atoms of the brick are perpetually vibrating. Some atoms vibrate sufficiently their vibrational energy is roughly equal to the electronic energy (photons) absorbed from the sun-- they are in resonance with the solar energy. Those atoms then make a quantum transition from 'electronically excited' to 'vibrationally excited,' meaning that the energy causes the whole atom to move. We feel that motion as "heat." The atoms which make the jump to vibrational excitation soon collide into neighboring atoms, dissipating their vibrational energy throughout the entire brick, making the brick hot.

We our tacitly linked to the femto-world of atoms

Sep 09, 2018
......and it is still incomprehensible to you why anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life, but you're an Astronomer (?), so I can see your problem, no comprehension of nuclear physics by your own admission.



Hey, sh!t for brains, you don't even understand beta decay, you fraud. As has been pointed out before. And you just proved it again, idiot. Does carbon-14 undergo beta-decay? Does it have a half-life? Did you ever attend school? High school physics, flunked by the deranged D-K loon Benji!


Has Benni, by some miracle or other, finally realised, with this little exchange, not to mention others, that he has been found out? That he doesn't even understand high school physics? Has he finally embarrassed himself so much, that not even his D-K addled brain will allow him to come back on here, claiming to know the first thing about any sort of physics? One can only hope!
Bookmarked.

Sep 09, 2018
If there is anybody left on here who thinks Benni knows anything about nuclear physics (or any other sort of physics), then I have something you might be interested in;

http://www.return...sale.jpg

Sep 09, 2018
If there is anybody left on here who thinks Benni knows anything about nuclear physics (or any other sort of physics), then I have something you might be interested in


Then you be the one in your own words to explain a DEGENERATE NEUTRON.

Why is it that the more I keep prodding you to explain DN, your responses simply become increasingly shrill & foul mouthed? But you're an Astronomer expressing a trademark of your profession? Just like Fritz Zwicky the godfather of dark matter, those who disagreed with him he labeled "spherical bastards", a label he gave Einstein because Einstein disagreed with so much of Zwicky's zany ideas.

RNP
Sep 09, 2018
@Benni
If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!

Degeneracy requires multiple fermions (such as neutrons) that have contracted into a state where the Pauli exclusion principle forbids further compression. The Wikipedia page gives a simple-to-understand description of degeneracy (if you actually care to learn something); https://en.wikipe...e_matter

P.S. Want to learn more? White dwarf properties are dominated by electron degeneracy.

Sep 09, 2018
Hanging out the Washing
@Benni If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!
Degeneracy requires multiple fermions (such as neutrons) that have contracted into a state where the Pauli exclusion principle forbids further compression. The Wikipedia page gives a simple-to-understand description of degeneracy (if you actually care to learn something); https://en.wikipe...e_matter
P.S. Want to learn more? White dwarf properties are dominated by electron degeneracy.

Benni's hanging you both out dry RNP, if you're entering the fray!

Sep 09, 2018
One would think with your claims of being an astronomer, that you would be so up to speed on degenerate neutron theory that you could explain it with such fluency that all the readers here would become totally lost for a cogent response.


>jonesy.......I did a check on your claim that you studied Astronomy at Uni Auckland, you will never guess what I discovered, that there is no Astronomy curriculum there. But I do recall clearly that you have stated in past Comments that you spent a year in the Anthropology curriculum there, and this I can believe because there is an Anthropology curriculum there. Just some etymological misspellings on your part?

Sep 09, 2018
@Benni
If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!


I informed you of this a long time back that degenerate neutrons don't exist, it's jonesy YOU need to convince. In fact mister freelance journalist, I'm the one who originally informed the entirety of this chatroom months ago of their non-existence, I see you learned the lesson well.

So now what do you Pop-Cosmology aficionados foresee as the pathway for a free neutron that can exist for millions of years & never undergo 14.7 minute beta decay?

There has never been isolation in the LHC of a free neutron exceeding the 14.7 minute beta decay rate except by small instrumentation error of fractions of a second.

Sep 09, 2018
And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. The 500 or so transient events in and around galactic cores. I suggested plasmoids and being the cause, followed by ridicule and a challenge to show it in the scientific literature.

https://arxiv.org...10.01700

What do you know? And the resulting discussion? Crickets. Continued willful ignorance, conveniently ignored in favor of a discussion about degenerates. Although it is amusing to ridicule degenerates like jonesdumb and DNP, it is quite off topic. Anyone like to show how or why plasmoids could not explain these explosive events?

RNP
Sep 09, 2018
@Benni
I informed you of this a long time back that degenerate neutrons don't exist, ....

You are incapable of understanding even the simplest explanations, aren't you?

Degenerate neutrons (plural) exist, as evidenced by all the observation/references you have been given but been unwilling or unable to consider or read.

Your silly request for a description of A degenerate neutron (singular) shows your ignorance of what degeneracy means.

There has never been isolation in the LHC of a free neutron exceeding the 14.7 minute beta decay rate except by small instrumentation error of fractions of a second.

This is simply;
1) a fabrication (the LHC does not contain neutrons, so it has never even attempted to measure the neutron half-life).
2) JUST PLAIN WRONG. You have been shown multiple times that the neutron has a HALF-LIFE of just over 10.3 mins (an AVERAGE lifetime of 14.7 mins). Here it is again; https://en.wikipe...n_decay.

Sep 09, 2018
One would think with your claims of being an astronomer, that you would be so up to speed on degenerate neutron theory that you could explain it with such fluency that all the readers here would become totally lost for a cogent response.


>jonesy.......I did a check on your claim that you studied Astronomy at Uni Auckland, you will never guess what I discovered, that there is no Astronomy curriculum there. But I do recall clearly that you have stated in past Comments that you spent a year in the Anthropology curriculum there, and this I can believe because there is an Anthropology curriculum there. Just some etymological misspellings on your part?


I have no idea what they offer these days, you creepy cnut. I did astronomy. End of. And I know a damn sight more about nuclear physics than you do. Obviously.

Sep 09, 2018
And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. The 500 or so transient events in and around galactic cores. I suggested plasmoids and being the cause, followed by ridicule and a challenge to show it in the scientific literature.


Lol. What a tosser! Linking to a paper on black holes, which need to exist for the plasma conditions to arise! Talk about killing your own argument! Listen, thicko; explain the orbits of the stars in the galactic centre without recourse to a 4m solar mass entity. Go. With maths and equations.


Sep 09, 2018
@RNP,

You are wasting your time! This is the idiot who claims to know nuclear physics, but said;

.....and it is still incomprehensible to you why anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life..


And then still has the barefaced cheek to come back on here as if he's never said it!
It is quite obvious that Benni has never studied any kind of science.


Sep 09, 2018
Hanging out the Washing
@Benni If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!
Degeneracy requires multiple fermions (such as neutrons) that have contracted into a state where the Pauli exclusion principle forbids further compression. The Wikipedia page gives a simple-to-understand description of degeneracy (if you actually care to learn something); https://en.wikipe...e_matter
P.S. Want to learn more? White dwarf properties are dominated by electron degeneracy.

Benni's hanging you both out dry RNP, if you're entering the fray!


Shut up Granville - you are as clueless as the idiot Benji. Go back to learning English.

Sep 09, 2018
And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. The 500 or so transient events in and around galactic cores. I suggested plasmoids and being the cause, followed by ridicule and a challenge to show it in the scientific literature.


Lol. What a tosser! Linking to a paper on black holes, which need to exist for the plasma conditions to arise! Talk about killing your own argument! Listen, thicko; explain the orbits of the stars in the galactic centre without recourse to a 4m solar mass entity. Go. With maths and equations.



Whoops, and magnetic reconnection, as well! Glad to see you catching up with the times, cantthink! Did you read it? Seems not. Just did a search on key words, and linked the first thing that popped out. Dear me.

Sep 09, 2018
>RNP
If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!


>RNP
Degenerate neutrons (plural) exist, as evidenced by all the observation/references you have been given


I guess you just can't make up your mind is that it RNP? In one post you disclaim a degenerate neutron exists only to claim in the next post it does exist. So why don't you just come up with the observational collider data evidence that there's such a thing as a free neutron that exists for longer than 14.7 minutes.

You come to a fork in the road & you take the fork, gosh that's gotta be a world of hurting no matter how spindly your legs may be.

Hey, Rguy, tell me, when is the very first time in your journalism career that you learned a free neutron has a 14.7 minute LIFETIME decay rate, then poof it's gone, never to return? You learned it here from Benni at same time jonesy learned it for the first time in his anthropology career.

Sep 09, 2018


Hey, Rguy, tell me, when is the very first time in your journalism career that you learned a free neutron has a 14.7 minute LIFETIME decay rate, then poof it's gone, never to return? You learned it here from Benni at same time jonesy learned it for the first time in his anthropology career.


Shut it, idiot. You have been found out, you fraud. If I were you, I'd disappear.
Go look in the scientific literature, you frigging fruitloop. Better still, get an education. In physics.

Sep 09, 2018
You learned it here from Benni at same time jonesy learned it for the first time in his anthropology career.


Nope. High school physics, iirc. And if what you said were true, then how embarrassing that an anthropologist has to point out your horrific errors in nuclear physics, re beta decay, and half-life? Oh dear.


Sep 09, 2018
>jonesy
I have no idea what they offer these days, you creepy cnut. I did astronomy. End of. And I know a damn sight more about nuclear physics than you do. Obviously.
....... oh yes, including the Differential Equations you claim you learned in your high school algebra class.


RNP
Sep 09, 2018
@Benni
I guess you just can't make up your mind is that it RNP? In one post you disclaim a degenerate neutron exists only to claim in the next post it does exist.


Sigh!.....You don't read my posts, do you?

You don't even try to understand what I am saying, do you?

For your own sanity, I suggest you take a careful look at your motivations for posting here, because it is obviously nothing to do with science.


Sep 09, 2018
>jonesy
I have no idea what they offer these days, you creepy cnut. I did astronomy. End of. And I know a damn sight more about nuclear physics than you do. Obviously.
....... oh yes, including the Differential Equations you claim you learned in your high school algebra class.



Well, you don't even understand basic maths, do you? Want me to link it again? How does it feel, claiming to be competent in nuclear physics, and having to have your schoolboy errors pointed out to you by people that you claim are a journalist and an anthropologist? Me? I'd be so embarrassed that I'd never post here again. It'll be interesting, from a Dunning-Kruger POV, to see what happens.

Differential equations, my arse! I suspect you need a calculator to figure out how many fingers you possess!

Sep 09, 2018
Any plumbers, or bricklayers in the house? We need you to also explain to Benni where he is going wrong with this nuclear physics lark that he claims, fraudulently, to understand. Many thanks.

Sep 09, 2018
Linking to a paper on black holes, which need to exist for the plasma conditions to arise!

So you're suggesting there are mini black holes on the Sun creating the plasmoids they are referring to as being an analog? We know how to create plasmoids in the lab, Bostick was doing it way back in 1956 when he was shooting two plasmoids at each other which revealed a galactic spiral shape which was the basis of Peratt's simulations of galactic formation. As above, so below...
Clearly you are utterly ignorant of the science, check the papers, there are no black holes required. Just electric currents.

Sep 09, 2018
I guess you just can't make up your mind is that it RNP? In one post you disclaim a degenerate neutron exists only to claim in the next post it does exist.


You don't read my posts, do you? You don't even try to understand what I am saying, do you?


Sure I do, like this:

>RNP
If you understood anything about this subject, you would know that you can not have "a DEGENERATE NEUTRON"!


and:

>RNP
Degenerate neutrons (plural) exist, as evidenced by all the observation/references you have been given


Whether the quantity be one free neutron or one million, none will have a beta lifetime decay rate exceeding 14.7 minutes, therefore the AVERAGE decay rate cannot be 14.7 minutes.

I suggest you take a careful look at your math skills for calculating an AVERAGE, because they obviously nothing to do with science, just a Pop-Cosmology fantasy.

Sep 09, 2018
>jonesy
having to have your schoolboy errors pointed out to you by people that you claim are a journalist and an anthropologist? Me?


"Me"?, yeah, you, after all you're the one claiming to have majored in astronomy at the University of Auckland, NZ, a university that mot only does not presently have such a major in it's curriculum, but in fact has NEVER had such a major in it's curriculum, however it has ALWAYS had an anthropology major in it's curriculum, just the subject material you told us sometime back that you had been majoring in. Yeah, you gave it away back a long time ago & you just forgot about it hoping I would too, right?



Sep 09, 2018
an anthropologist? Me?

That would explain why he is so afraid of Velikovsky and catastrophism. It is a direct challenge to relevance of his education and career, which isn't much at all.

Sep 09, 2018
Finally in print, the Decay of Neutrons into pristine protons and pristine electrons
scientificamerican> Beam experiments have been going on for more than 30 years, with the leaders in the field located at NIST. Their best, latest beam results, published in 2013, measured the neutron lifetime at 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds.

Neutron decay, 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds - thanks SEU

Sep 09, 2018

https://www.scien...physics/

says I

There seems to be a discrepancy between the beam experiment and the bottle experiment results, where both experiments are used to determine the true age (in minutes and seconds) of the free neutron before, or just at the moment it decays. A difference of ~9 seconds is a lot of time, in Quantum timeframes.

Sep 09, 2018
an anthropologist? Me?

That would explain why he is so afraid of Velikovsky and catastrophism. It is a direct challenge to relevance of his education and career, which isn't much at all.
says CD

I will make a point of reading Immanuel Velikovsky's book, "Worlds in Collision", and any others I may find. I suppose the title of his book is in reference to the concept of planets banging about within a trajectory to collide with each other - similar to a game of billiards where the cue stick hits upon the white ball, which careens wildly into the other balls, knocking them into each other and into side pockets.
Very interesting concept, and if I am not mistaken, I would say that the possibility that worlds that collide elsewhere in the Universe is not an untoward method/process of recycling spent Mass that has broken up in that process. The Mass may then be held in reserve for future planet-building, unless it is too close to the possible Black Hole.

Sep 09, 2018
Finally in print, the Decay of Neutrons into pristine protons and pristine electrons
scientificamerican> Beam experiments have been going on for more than 30 years, with the leaders in the field located at NIST. Their best, latest beam results, published in 2013, measured the neutron lifetime at 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds.

Neutron decay, 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds - thanks SEU
says granville

...which adds up to 14 minutes .795 without the +/- 3.1 seconds by my trusty calculator.
But even with that mysterious discrepancy of ~9 seconds, it still is not far off the mark of under 15 minutes death watch for poor Miss Neutron.

Sep 09, 2018
LOL I have just realised that I have been anthropomorphising Neutrons and Protons. Perhaps jonesy has some knowledge as a graduate of Anthropology as to why I find it easy to do this. Could it be something in my role as an Environmentalist and friend to all animals?

Sep 09, 2018
Immanuel Velikovsky - Worlds in Collision
Read his book SEU, understand it, but do not absorb it or ascribe directly to his theories - apparently they consumed him when he fell ill with diabetes even though they were his own idea's as when milnic could not convert me to SEU (his religion) he promptly left – these are far eastern ideologies that do not mix with the Anglo-Saxon world and now we have a soul in distress over the very same Velikovsky ideology of his own interpretation and has totally consumed him with Velikovskian.

Sep 09, 2018
Finally in print, the Decay of Neutrons into pristine protons and pristine electrons
scientificamerican> Beam experiments have been going on for more than 30 years, with the leaders in the field located at NIST. Their best, latest beam results, published in 2013, measured the neutron lifetime at 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds.


There seems to be a discrepancy between the beam experiment and the bottle experiment results, where both experiments are used to determine the true age (in minutes and seconds) of the free neutron before, or just at the moment it decays. A difference of ~9 seconds is a lot of time, in Quantum timeframes.


Neutron decay, 887.7 seconds, plus or minus 3.1 seconds - thanks SEU
......just think instrumentation error guys, I deal with it nearly every day in our spectroscopy lab.


Sep 09, 2018
The application of Anthropology and neutron decay to Mrs. Neutrons offspring
SEU:- How is one experiment extending the life of the neutron, or is it the point at which there measuring the decay that is creating the 6 second difference anomaly
Anthropology, the study of humans and human behaviour and societies in the past and present, considering the unusual language and logic that is difficult to fathom, Anthropology seems a very apt subject to study

Sep 09, 2018
50 shades of grey
Expectations of anthropologically neutralised decay and the only contentious point was instrumentation error and only give or take 5 seconds come to that, the calamitous amorphous decay was anticlimactic in its errors
There's life in this old neutron yet...

Sep 09, 2018
50 shades of grey
Expectations of anthropologically neutralised decay and the only contentious point was instrumentation error and only give or take 5 seconds come to that, the calamitous amorphous decay was anticlimactic in its errors
There's life in this old neutron yet...


> granDy!!!!!!!!!!

Just what would this place be like without you me me here to tear up a few eyeballs now & then, I know how to start &you know how to finish.

Sep 09, 2018
@Surveillance_Egg_Unit.

https://www.scien...physics/
There seems to be a discrepancy between the beam experiment and the bottle experiment results, where both experiments are used to determine the true age (in minutes and seconds) of the free neutron before, or just at the moment it decays. A difference of ~9 seconds is a lot of time, in Quantum timeframes.
Have those experimentalists factored in effect of time-dilation to lifetimes of the faster-moving (ie, speedier in-Beam) Neutrons?

These should differ markedly from lifetimes of slower-moving Bottle-trapped Neutrons; since bottle-trapped Neutron speeds slowed, as they lose external-kinetic and internal-excitation energy/vibration 'speed' due to collisions with themselves and with bottle walls.

Measured in frame of laboratory clock, beaming (speedier) Neutrons *should* 'live longer' than trapped (slowed) Neutrons, shouldn't they? :)

Sep 09, 2018
These should differ markedly from lifetimes of slower-moving Bottle-trapped Neutrons


Why would "speed" have anything to do with it? One mile per hour or one million, so what? It's about TIME so far as anyone can figure out.

I know you are suggesting time dilation effects, but at the velocities these things are already traveling it's just guesswork if you ask me. Instrumentation error still seems a more likely cause of events, we just usually throw this stuff away in our lab, but we don't need that kind of accuracy anyway so maybe it's just beside the point.

Sep 09, 2018

https://www.scien...physics/

RC asked:
Have those experimentalists factored in effect of time-dilation to lifetimes of the faster-moving (ie, speedier in-Beam) Neutrons?

These should differ markedly from lifetimes of slower-moving Bottle-trapped Neutrons; since bottle-trapped Neutron speeds slowed, as they lose external-kinetic and internal-excitation energy/vibration 'speed' due to collisions with themselves and with bottle walls.

Measured in frame of laboratory clock, beaming (speedier) Neutrons *should* 'live longer' than trapped (slowed) Neutrons, shouldn't they? :)

I am not a believer in Time-dilation as it is not possible to dilate, dilute, delete or deplete Time. Time may only seem to stop or slow, but it only SEEMS that way according to the mind of the observer. And it certainly cannot reverse except in science fiction novels.

I agree that the use of a bottle stifles Neutron movement.

-CONTINUED-

Sep 09, 2018
-CONTINUED-
The beam method seems to me to be a more natural way to catch and cull speeding free Neutrons. Neutrons in outer space of a natural setting are not encumbered and imprisoned in a narrow environment. So the researchers have a new plan that will prevent such a restrictive environment so that Miss Neutron can party all she wants. :)

I think that the speed of freeNeutrons don't affect the amount of time that they have before they decay. The clock is ticking but - if only (puff) she can get over (puff puff) that next hill (puff) before the alarm bell sounds.
:)

Sep 09, 2018
the use of a bottle stifles Neutron movement.
.......about this i have very serious doubts.

The differences between the measurements are more likely caused by the inherent differences of the instrument's sensitivity. Every measuring technique has inherent differences from another instrument, and judging from the extremely small differences being measured it's seems to be more about the sensitivity of the instrumentation than velocity of the neutron.

I'll just bet if we knew the instrumentation error we would find considerable overlap above & below the actual time of decay which must be exactly the same for all neutrons.


Sep 09, 2018
@RC
(off topic)
Are you aware that those from Australia who refer to themselves as "Aussie" have no rightful claim to that appellation UNLESS one of more of their ancestors arrived in Australia on a convict prison ship from England? Before the War of Independence, England had been sending their convicts to America to get them out of England. They were mostly petty thieves, as murderers were hung forthwith in England and never set foot in America, But after the American Revolutionary War, England had no other place to send their convicts but Australia.
So it is really a "sense of pride" that real Aussies have to have ancestry going back to convict ships. There were convict ships to America also and those who fought the British helped establish the USA.
Many Americans don't even know of their ties to the convict ships.

Sep 09, 2018
the use of a bottle stifles Neutron movement.
.......about this i have very serious doubts.

The differences between the measurements are more likely caused by the inherent differences of the instrument's sensitivity. Every measuring technique has inherent differences from another instrument, and judging from the extremely small differences being measured it's seems to be more about the sensitivity of the instrumentation than velocity of the neutron.

I'll just bet if we knew the instrumentation error we would find considerable overlap above & below the actual time of decay which must be exactly the same for all neutrons.

says Benni

Yes. And the calibration is extremely sensitive and could differ quite a bit from one lab to another, where differences in room temps, humidity and other factors, even the tilt of a table, could change the quality of the calibration. I am just saying what you have already said - in a slightly different way.

Sep 09, 2018
But the bottle method is not explained well - is the bottle of the same proportion and size throughout? Or is there a narrow neck? The article doesn't specify.

Sep 09, 2018
But the bottle method is not explained well - is the bottle of the same proportion and size throughout? Or is there a narrow neck? The article doesn't specify.


Somebody try to do some data mining on this writeup. The most important thing we need to know is about how the measurement techniques were different between the two methodologies. I'm on it but don't let me be the only one, right RC?

Sep 09, 2018
https://arxiv.org...4560.pdf

OK, I've got the instrumentation techniques. Read the above pdf format. Now I'll go back & study it in more detail, then after everyone else has we can come back & compare notes.

Sep 09, 2018
https://arxiv.org...4560.pdf

OK, I've got the instrumentation techniques. Read the above pdf format. Now I'll go back & study it in more detail, then after everyone else has we can come back & compare notes.


Go to the middle of the paper under section where CLEANING discussion begins, this is the instrumentation error section & what causes it. Fun reading, learned a few things already.

Sep 09, 2018
https://arxiv.org...4560.pdf


OK, I've got the instrumentation techniques. Read the above pdf format. Now I'll go back & study it in more detail, then after everyone else has we can come back & compare notes.

Go to the middle of the paper under section where CLEANING discussion begins, this is the instrumentation error section & what causes it. Fun reading, learned a few things already.

OK, I'm through it. Just above the Conclusion section. three measurement techniques are compared them side by side in a graph showing the differences of measurements between the three methodologies. The
lifetimes extracted from the three sets of data are in agreement, and they give an average
neutron lifetime τn=878.8± 2.6± 0.6 s,

Sep 09, 2018
Very impressive, Benni. Something must be wrong with my calculator. I'm getting 14.646666666666667

Sep 10, 2018
an anthropologist? Me?

That would explain why he is so afraid of Velikovsky and catastrophism. It is a direct challenge to relevance of his education and career, which isn't much at all.


Nobody is afraid of the idiot Velikovsky, you loon. He has nothing whatsoever to do with science, and has never been taken seriously by science. He was a crank and a fraud A scientifically illiterate one, at that.
Anybody that believes his woo is, by definition, the same

Sep 10, 2018
Linking to a paper on black holes, which need to exist for the plasma conditions to arise!

So you're suggesting there are mini black holes on the Sun creating the plasmoids they are referring to as being an analog? We know how to create plasmoids in the lab, Bostick was doing it way back in 1956 when he was shooting two plasmoids at each other which revealed a galactic spiral shape which was the basis of Peratt's simulations of galactic formation. As above, so below...
Clearly you are utterly ignorant of the science, check the papers, there are no black holes required. Just electric currents.


Really? Where are these papers? Please show me one that shows how a frigging plasmoid can simulate the orbits of the stars around the galactic centre You can't, because you are making sh1t up, as usual.

Sep 10, 2018
"Me"?, yeah, you, after all you're the one claiming to have majored in astronomy at the University of Auckland, NZ, a university that mot only does not presently have such a major in it's curriculum, but in fact has NEVER had such a major in it's curriculum, however it has ALWAYS had an anthropology major in it's curriculum, just the subject material you told us sometime back that you had been majoring in. Yeah, you gave it away back a long time ago & you just forgot about it hoping I would too, right?



Sorry? Wrong again, thicko. And what university taught you that;
...anything that decays with a beta decay rate is NEVER subject to radioactive 1/2 Life,


Do please tell us, you fraud. Never been near a university in your life, have you? You're outed, Benni. You know diddly about nuclear physics. Or any other sort You are an uneducated gobsh1te, suffering from D-K syndrome.

Sep 10, 2018
.....just think instrumentation error guys, I deal with it nearly every day in our spectroscopy lab.


Lol. As if this loon knows anything about spectroscopy! Dear me, the D-K is deep with this one!


Sep 10, 2018
Morpheus duplicitous dilation of time eternal
These should differ markedly from lifetimes of slower-moving Bottle-trapped Neutrons

One mile per hour or one million? It's about TIME so far as anyone can figure out
I know you are suggesting time dilation effects, but at the velocities these things are already traveling it's just guesswork if you ask me. Instrumentation error still seems a more likely cause of events, we just usually throw this stuff away in our lab, but we don't need that kind of accuracy anyway so maybe it's just beside the point.

The Velikovskian ideology theory of contentious point in battlement of experimentalism instrumentalism calamitous decaying entices of time in the vacuum where pristine protonic protons familys emerge into reality as of Neutron decay in 887.7 seconds plus or minus 3.1 seconds that extra error of additional six seconds is a Morpheus into time dilation of calamitous infinitous proportions as of Morpheus siblings

Sep 10, 2018
> jonesy
He was a crank and a fraud A scientifically illiterate one, at that.
.......about the same as yourself when claiming to have a degree in Astronomy from the University of Auckland, NZ that has no such degree offering in it's curriculum. Maybe you can explain why you'e not the fraud?

Sep 10, 2018
> jonesy
He was a crank and a fraud A scientifically illiterate one, at that.
.......about the same as yourself when claiming to have a degree in Astronomy from the University of Auckland, NZ that has no such degree offering in it's curriculum. Maybe you can explain why you'e not the fraud?


Because you are a f***wit, who is lying, dickhead!
https://www.aut.a...my-major

Sep 10, 2018
The Neutron and the Almond Tree
Those seconds in motion, under the hat of that invisible cat. As difficult as this experiment is to expedite, it is not as difficult as looking into the dark for something dark that is not there with no explanation as to why these dark corners are being scrutinised for what is dark that is not there, except of course under the hat of the hat of that cat where his invisible cat sleeps in the invisible world of all that's dark and invisible except of course to Dr Seuss's invisible cat

As in the words of Canterville's Ghost - Sir Simon de Canterville

The Neutron and the Almond Tree
When a golden girl can win
Prayer from out the lips of sin,
When the barren almond bears,
And a little child gives away its tears,
Then shall all the house be still,
And peace come to Canterville
And so the Neutron rests in peace.

Sep 10, 2018
Very impressive, Benni. Something must be wrong with my calculator. I'm getting 14.646666666666667


Go to Table 2 & look in the "Corrected" column, you were looking at the "Raw" column.

Sep 10, 2018
Dead on wrong........this is BETA DECAY not RADIOACTIVE DECAY, if you had even the slightest concept of nuclear physics you'd know the difference.


Another beauty from the D-K affected loon!

Nuclear engineer, my arse.

https://phys.org/...ark.html


Sep 10, 2018
And another one, showing that he doesn't even understand what half-life means!

OK, mister Pop-Cosmology genius.........you erroneously believe that a free neutron has a literal half-life decay process....... so lead us to the dataset from the Large Hadron Collider that anyone operating that facility has ever come across HALF A NEUTRON.

Tell us, what does half a neutron look like?


Jesus! Half a neutron! What a moron!

Sep 10, 2018
After 888 seconds of fruitful life - And so the Neutron rests in peace.
The legacy of the neutrons 888s of life leaves in its wake those pristine protons, electrons and neutrinos in the vacuum to start again the circle of life, the Phoenix Neutron being reborn as a pristine neutron, without which the proton can never come in to contact with its own, as only close protonic contact is possible with family members of neutrons and protons where neutrons neutralise the electric field allowing fusion possible
The Neutron having graduated from those agonising Velikovskian fields of torment where Immanuel Velikovsky in his Worlds in Collision now also lies side by side where the Neutron rests in peace!

Sep 10, 2018
The Anthropological Neutron and its Pristine Protons
And now it's time to address the stages in the neutrons life cycle, as a Anthropological study, as from what we're hearing loud and clear we have an expert in the field of Anthropology, as even its location appears less in doubt as the neutron rests in peace, reborn on those campus grounds at the University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Sep 10, 2018
^^^^^^^WTF is this clown shooting up on?


Sep 10, 2018
@ jones

Which of these two Universities in Auckland did you attend, and from which had you earned your degree(s) in Astronomy?

The University of Auckland

OR

Auckland University of Technology

Sep 10, 2018
@ jones

Which of these two Universities in Auckland did you attend, and from which had you earned your degree(s) in Astronomy?

The University of Auckland

OR

Auckland University of Technology


Auckland University. Jesus, another creepy cnut. Go to Wayback Machine, check out their webpage for 1979!

Sep 10, 2018
@ jones

Which of these two Universities in Auckland did you attend, and from which had you earned your degree(s) in Astronomy?

The University of Auckland

OR

Auckland University of Technology


Why don't you ask Benni where he studied nuclear physics, and managed to learn precisely nothing?
WTF is your problem, you whack job?

Sep 10, 2018
No jones - I am asking YOU.

I have checked on the Directory of available courses at University of Auckland for Astronomy, but all I could come up with is the Dept. of Physics - no mention of Astronomy.
Physics encompasses many disciplines, as you should know.
Kindly provide the link from Uni of Auckland that states specifically that Astronomy is taught there.
Thanks

________________________

Our courses and programmes
We offer programmes in Physics and Geophysics at all levels, from Bachelor of Science through to PhD degrees.

The Department hosts the BSc(Hons) in Photonics and the BSc(Hons) in Medical Physics and Imaging Technology, which provide vocationally-oriented specialisations in these fast-developing areas. Students seeking entry to these programmes should begin with a BSc in Physics.

In addition, we provide physics expertise to students in a wide variety of disciplines including engineering, computer science, architecture, medicine, surveying and pharmacy.

Sep 10, 2018
I have searched all over the University of Auckland website. Such an important discipline as Astronomy should have been prominently displayed in the website as being an important part of the Physics curriculum.
I haven't even seen any sign of Astrophysics being taught there. Please provide the proof that Astronomy is a normal part of the curriculum at University of Auckland. Thanks

Sep 10, 2018
@ jones

Which of these two Universities in Auckland did you attend, and from which had you earned your degree(s) in Astronomy?

The University of Auckland

OR

Auckland University of Technology


Auckland University. Jesus, another creepy cnut. Go to Wayback Machine, check out their webpage for 1979!
says jones

OK I see that you had attended Auckland University of Technology - not the University of Auckland. Is that correct?

Sep 10, 2018
^^^^^F*** me, there are some creepy bastards on the internet! Tell you what, SEU, why don't you f*** off? Before you do, you weird swine, go check out the current courses at AU? Hmmm? Not that it'll necessarily have much relevance to 40 years ago. Or are you incapable, just like the loser, Benni, of doing such a teeny bit of research? Useless f****r.
Physics courses:
107 Planets, Stars and Galaxies
356 Particle Physics and Astrophysics
748 General Relativity
753 The Dynamic Universe

And others that may be relevant.

Now, you creepy sod, do you want to know which courses I took more recently with the Open University in the UK? God, some people are weird.

http://www.studen...geCd=ENG

Sep 10, 2018
You had made some generalizations/statements that led to the belief that you had attended and graduated from the University of Auckland, which apparently wasn't true. And now you are admitting to have studied Astronomy at Auckland University of Technology.

Do you understand the differences between the two universities?
When you told Benni or others that you were a student at Uni of Auckland, it goes against your credibility when you replaced one with another. Auckland University has a program in Astrophysics, while the Uni of Auckland does not.

Perhaps you matriculated at Uni of Auckland and then transferred to Auckland Uni of Tech?

Sep 10, 2018
You had made some generalizations/statements that led to the belief that you had attended and graduated from the University of Auckland, which apparently wasn't true. And now you are admitting to have studied Astronomy at Auckland University of Technology.

Do you understand the differences between the two universities?
When you told Benni or others that you were a student at Uni of Auckland, it goes against your credibility when you replaced one with another. Auckland University has a program in Astrophysics, while the Uni of Auckland does not.

Perhaps you matriculated at Uni of Auckland and then transferred to Auckland Uni of Tech?


Nope, you weird f****er, I went to Auckland university, understand, you knob? If I linked to AUT, then that was a mistake. I suggest you look at the AU links, and then f*** off, you creep Yes? Do you think to get a degree you just study one subject? Probably; iI doubt you've ever attended one. Same as Benni.

Sep 10, 2018
Your link's contents provide a list of the courses offered at University of Auckland beginning with the letter A.

However, that page shows a course in Anthropology, which is what you had admitted to Benni some time ago.

BTW - your angry tirade is amusing. It doesn't reflect well on your character - but this is nothing new.

Sep 10, 2018
Your link's contents provide a list of the courses offered at University of Auckland beginning with the letter A.

However, that page shows a course in Anthropology, which is what you had admitted to Benni some time ago.

BTW - your angry tirade is amusing. It doesn't reflect well on your character - but this is nothing new.


Jesus, you useless f***er! Click on the f***ing 'P' for physics, you dick. Christ almighty, I can't believe I'm having this conversation with someone who can't even work the internet!

Sep 10, 2018
40 years on campus

Auckland University of Technology (AUT) is a university in New Zealand, formed on 1 January 2000 a former technical college established in 1895 granted university status. 5 faculties across 3 campuses in Auckland: City, North, and South campuses, and additional three specialist locations: AUT Millennium, Warkworth Radio Astronomical Observatory https://en.wikipe...chnology

The Warkworth Radio Astronomical Observatory located of Warkworth 30 miles north of Auckland is operated by the Institute for Radio Astronomy and Space Research, Auckland University of Technology The WARK12M 12m Radio Telescope was constructed in 2008. In 2010, a licence to operate the New Zealand Telecom 30m dish was granted, which led to the construction of the WARK30M 30m Radio Telescope. First observations with the Australian Long Baseline Array took place in 2011 https://en.wikipe...ervatory

Sep 10, 2018
Searching again, I find that there are only TWO universities at Auckland - the University of Auckland and Auckland University of Technology - there are no others in Auckland.

So you are saying that you attended Auckland University of Technology? And yet, you had people believing that you also attended the University of Auckland.
If such is the case, then you must have been a transfer student OR attended both because the University of Auckland did not offer Astronomy. Is that correct?

Sep 10, 2018
go check out the current courses at AU?
https://www.aut.ac.nz/courses/bachelor-of-science/astronomy-major

Did that, no Astronomy at AU only at AUT: https://www.aut.a...y-major. I guess you're just confused about the name of your alma mater, is that it? Now, was AUT offerring Astronomy 40 years ago?


Sep 10, 2018
go check out the current courses at AU?


Did that, no Astronomy at AU only at AUT: https://www.aut.a...y-major. I guess you're just confused about the name of your alma mater, is that it? Now, was AUT offerring Astronomy 40 years ago?



Hey, shit for brains. Read what I wrote, you dumb f****er! Auckland University. If I linked AUT, that was an error. I've given you the link to AU, although what relevance it will have to what they taught 40 years ago I don't know. What is bloody obvious, is that you have never attended a university in your life. And it is equally obvious that your claims of understanding nuclear physics is an outright lie. Correct?

Sep 10, 2018
Your Browse Course Catalog has a long list of Physics courses which is below this:

"View information about all courses offered at the University of Auckland. Selecting a subject name and a course link will display available course information...."

But now you say that you attended Auckland University of Technology. Can't you tell the difference?
If the University of Auckland has/had so many Physics courses, then why did you say that you attended Auckland University of Tech - after having told Benni that you attended the University of Auckland.?

Sep 10, 2018
Your Browse Course Catalog has a long list of Physics courses which is below this:

"View information about all courses offered at the University of Auckland. Selecting a subject name and a course link will display available course information...."

But now you say that you attended Auckland University of Technology. Can't you tell the difference?
If the University of Auckland has/had so many Physics courses, then why did you say that you attended Auckland University of Tech - after having told Benni that you attended the University of Auckland.?


F*** off, you idiot. I attended the University of f*cking Auckland, you retard! I already said that if I previously linked to AUT, it was in error. It didn't even exist in the 70s you tosser!

Sep 10, 2018
Even if the names are given as AU and AUT, you should be able to tell the difference, since there are only two universities in Auckland.
It appears that jones might never have attended the University of Auckland, but only Auckland University of Tech.....and AUT appears to have only been in existence (with that name) since Y2K, as told in granville's statement that:
"Auckland University of Technology (AUT) is a university in New Zealand, formed on 1 January 2000 a former technical college established in 1895 granted university status."

Sep 10, 2018
Even if the names are given as AU and AUT, you should be able to tell the difference, since there are only two universities in Auckland.
It appears that jones might never have attended the University of Auckland, but only Auckland University of Tech.....and AUT appears to have only been in existence (with that name) since Y2K, as told in granville's statement that:
"Auckland University of Technology (AUT) is a university in New Zealand, formed on 1 January 2000 a former technical college established in 1895 granted university status."


You really are thick, aren't you? Can't even find the right course pages to look at? AUT didn't exist in the 70s. I obviously hit the link a bit quick, figuring it was part of AU. Understand?
However, it is somewhat irrelevant, as we can see who the people are that know about the subject around here, and it isn't the liar Benni, nor yourself. Eh? So, what is your point, fruitloop religious boy? Got one?

Sep 10, 2018
go check out the current courses at AU?


Did that, no Astronomy at AU only at AUT: https://www.aut.a...y-major. I guess you're just confused about the name of your alma mater, is that it? Now, was AUT offerring Astronomy 40 years ago?



Hey, shit for brains. Read what I wrote, you dumb f****er! Auckland University. If I linked AUT, that was an error. I've given you the link to AU, although what relevance it will have to what they taught 40 years ago I don't know. What is bloody obvious, is that you have never attended a university in your life. And it is equally obvious that your claims of understanding nuclear physics is an outright lie. Correct?
says jones

The ONLY "Auckland University" is the Auckland University of Technology. You seem very confused as to what to call the university that you claim to have actually attended. Why are you so confused? Get your names straight.

Sep 10, 2018
The ONLY "Auckland University" is the Auckland University of Technology. You seem very confused as to what to call the university that you claim to have actually attended. Why are you so confused? Get your names straight.


Oh for f***s sake, you ignorant tosser! There are evidently now 2 unis in Auckland. Auckland and AUT. AUT didn't exist when I lived there, so there was only f***ing one. Understand, you prat? Now, why don't you f*** off, and get a life? Or better still, an education.

Sep 10, 2018
@jones
And by the way, I am not "religious". I don't adhere to any religion but the Truth.

In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease. Making errors as you have done in a science forum - when you are able to correct your mistake(s) before submitting them shows a character flaw.

Sep 10, 2018
@jones
And by the way, I am not "religious". I don't adhere to any religion but the Truth.

In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease. Making errors as you have done in a science forum - when you are able to correct your mistake(s) before submitting them shows a character flaw.


Piss off, you useless prat. What the hell are you even doing on a science forum? What is your speciality? Where did you get your degree? What subjects? Maybe you could ask the idiot Benni the same questions. He's the one spouting complete shite on here, with zero understanding of the subject.

Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?


Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?


I do declare, that someone who claims he took Differential Equations as part of his high school Algebra course as you have claimed, can only be someone suffering severe amnesia at best.

Sep 10, 2018
There is no such place as "Auckland University". It may be possible that you have been transposing Auckland University from "University of Auckland" which would be the correct appellation. As I've said already, the only other university is Auckland University of Technology, which you say you have never attended.

Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?


I do declare, that someone who claims he took Differential Equations as part of his high school Algebra course as you have claimed, can only be someone suffering severe amnesia at best.


Sorry? And what high school taught you your idiotic beliefs in what beta-decay and half-lives are? Where did you learn that crap, you loon? Not a very good school was it? I guess you flunked every course, which is why you come on here, displaying your ignorance of all things scientific, because it feeds your insatiable D-K syndrome. Sad.

Sep 10, 2018
There is no such place as "Auckland University". It may be possible that you have been transposing Auckland University from "University of Auckland" which would be the correct appellation. As I've said already, the only other university is Auckland University of Technology, which you say you have never attended.

.......then he didn't study anything about Astronomy did he?

Sep 10, 2018
There is no such place as "Auckland University". It may be possible that you have been transposing Auckland University from "University of Auckland" which would be the correct appellation. As I've said already, the only other university is Auckland University of Technology, which you say you have never attended.


Christ you are a f***wit! Anybody that attends it calls it 'Auckland Uni.' WTF is your problem, you waster?

Sep 10, 2018
There is no such place as "Auckland University". It may be possible that you have been transposing Auckland University from "University of Auckland" which would be the correct appellation. As I've said already, the only other university is Auckland University of Technology, which you say you have never attended.

.......then he didn't study anything about Astronomy did he?


And another f***wit, who is scientifically illiterate. Didn't go to any university did you Benni? Don't understand science on any level. Never studied nuclear physics, can't do differential equations, can't even do basic maths. If I were you, I'd be far more worried about your total lack of qualifications, than the ones I have.

Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?

says jones

There you go again. I never said that you DO have Alzheimer's - just that we will examine the "possibility" that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's - if you continue to transpose, misconstrue, and otherwise confuse names and facts.
Have you been forgetting both important, as well as little things? Do you forget where you put your keys? We understand that humans may eventually suffer from such mental problems.
Perhaps you might want to consult a neurologist, jones.

Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?

says jones

There you go again. I never said that you DO have Alzheimer's - just that we will examine the "possibility" that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's - if you continue to transpose, misconstrue, and otherwise confuse names and facts.
Have you been forgetting both important, as well as little things? Do you forget where you put your keys? We understand that humans may eventually suffer from such mental problems.
Perhaps you might want to consult a neurologist, jones.


And perhaps you should f*** off, you uneducated loon.

Sep 10, 2018
Found a U of Auckland, the only Auckland Univ is AUT and didn't become a Univ until 2000. Before that it was a high school or something, which sounds about right for jonesdumb.

Sep 10, 2018
In any case, you should get yourself up to speed with your university names, otherwise we will examine the possibility that you are becoming a victim of Alzheimer's brain disease...


Well, what does that make you and Benni, hmmm? Somebody you claim only studied anthropology, and has Alzheimer's, yet still knows far more science than both of you put together. Bit sad that, eh?


I do declare, that someone who claims he took Differential Equations as part of his high school Algebra course as you have claimed, can only be someone suffering severe amnesia at best.


Sorry? And what high school taught you your idiotic beliefs in what beta-decay and half-lives are?
says jones

Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017


Sep 10, 2018
Found a U of Auckland, the only Auckland Univ is AUT and didn't become a Univ until 2000. Before that it was a high school or something, which sounds about right for jonesdumb.


Oh and another uneducated f***wit joins the fray! Tell all the boys and girls, cannthink; when was Earth orbiting Saturn, again? Where did Venus come from?
Another idiot who has never been near a university.

Sep 10, 2018
Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017


Don't tell me what you've just Googled, loony tunes, tell Benni. He's the one who needs educating in the subject.


Sep 10, 2018

Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017

https://formulas....ula.html

https://www.scien...17300485

https://reader.el...1E87C84B
"Precision long-term measurements of beta-decay-rate ratios in a controlled environment"

Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.

Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.


Really, thicko? And what university did you attend?

Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.


And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.


Really, thicko? And what university did you attend?
says jones

Why do you ask such personal questions, jones? Is it for your own personal advantage? Are you creating a dossier on CD and others, similar to what Cap'n Stinky was doing?

The science, jones, the science. Never mind personal achievements that you would only denigrate in the long run.

Sep 10, 2018

Really, thicko? And what university did you attend?
says jones

Why do you ask such personal questions, jones? Is it for your own personal advantage? Are you creating a dossier on CD and others, similar to what Cap'n Stinky was doing?

The science, jones, the science. Never mind personal achievements that you would only denigrate in the long run.


Do you know what the word 'hypocrite' means, loser? I'll take your answer as indicating that you never had any sort of tertiary education. That will come as a surprise to nobody.

Sep 10, 2018
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae.


And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.


Alumnae is the plural form of Alumna. CD used the correct word, jones.

Alumni is the plural of Alumnus. Which denotes a former student or students


Sep 10, 2018
Alumni is the plural of Alumnus. Which denotes a former student or students


And what do you think he was referring to, thicko?

Sep 10, 2018

Really, thicko? And what university did you attend?
says jones

Why do you ask such personal questions, jones? Is it for your own personal advantage? Are you creating a dossier on CD and others, similar to what Cap'n Stinky was doing?

The science, jones, the science. Never mind personal achievements that you would only denigrate in the long run.


Do you know what the word 'hypocrite' means, loser? I'll take your answer as indicating that you never had any sort of tertiary education. That will come as a surprise to nobody.
says jones

As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?

Sep 10, 2018
As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?


jonesy says he was majoring in astronomy 40 years ago, add at least 20 to that.

Sep 10, 2018
As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?


jonesy says he was majoring in astronomy 40 years ago, add at least 20 to that.


And you majored in nothing, did you. fraudy boy? Why are you so ignorant of all science, yet pretend to know all about it? Personality disorder, or just the regular D-K syndrome?

Sep 10, 2018
As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?


Well, you were very f***ing interested in mine not so long ago! It is obvious that you have never had any further education. Not in the sciences, anyway. Another with D-K syndrome, who just wants to appear knowledgable, but is truly ignorant.


Sep 10, 2018
Alumni is the plural of Alumnus. Which denotes a former student or students


And what do you think he was referring to, thicko?
says jones

"cantdrive855 / 5 (2) 34 minutes ago
I'm not too impressed with the graduation requirements of that institution (UofA I guess) if jonesdumb is an example of their alumnae."

Well, judging by the statement above, I would say that CD was referring to YOUR "institution of higher learning", jones, since it seems to have failed to instill any sort of integrity, civility and honesty on your character, along with your diploma.
I would imagine that your feelings were hurt somewhere along the line - at home; at university; in personal relationships - and you have decided to bring out your viperous behaviour in a science website. There is no room for such imperialistic innuendo as you have displayed in this science site.
Perhaps you have a drinking problem in your old age, jones. I would suggest that you quit the hooch.

Sep 10, 2018


Well, judging by the statement above, I would say that CD was referring to YOUR "institution of higher learning", jones, since it seems to have failed to instill any sort of integrity, civility and honesty on your character, along with your diploma.
I would imagine that your feelings were hurt somewhere along the line - at home; at university; in personal relationships - and you have decided to bring out your viperous behaviour in a science website. There is no room for such imperialistic innuendo as you have displayed in this science site.
Perhaps you have a drinking problem in your old age, jones. I would suggest that you quit the hooch.


And I would suggest that you p1ss off, unless you have something useful to contribute. It hasn't happened yet, so WTF are you doing here?

Sep 10, 2018
As usual, my personal achievements are none of your concern. What would you gain by learning of my lifetime achievements. I am far older than you could ever imagine, so let us just leave it at that, yes?


Well, you were very f***ing interested in mine not so long ago! It is obvious that you have never had any further education. Not in the sciences, anyway. Another with D-K syndrome, who just wants to appear knowledgable, but is truly ignorant.



As you wish. I shall not argue on such trivia with a college-educated monkey.
You have no idea what I have learnt in this era, and I feel no compunction to give you any details.

Sep 10, 2018
Jonesdave, and to some extent RNP, I commend you for fighting the good fight against the anti-science trolls. However, I cannot smell the stench of the troll's fecal regurgitations - I ignore them. I no longer have sufficient patience to get down into their cesspool and wallow in their fecal puking.

For your own overall happiness I might suggest simply putting these puking shit eaters on ignore. Wipe the shit off your shoes.

Sep 10, 2018


Well, judging by the statement above, I would say that CD was referring to YOUR "institution of higher learning", jones, since it seems to have failed to instill any sort of integrity, civility and honesty on your character, along with your diploma.
I would imagine that your feelings were hurt somewhere along the line - at home; at university; in personal relationships - and you have decided to bring out your viperous behaviour in a science website. There is no room for such imperialistic innuendo as you have displayed in this science site.
Perhaps you have a drinking problem in your old age, jones. I would suggest that you quit the hooch.


And I would suggest that you p1ss off, unless you have something useful to contribute. It hasn't happened yet, so WTF are you doing here?


Pretty much the same as YOU are doing here, except that I am learning - whereas YOU are being an idiot.

Sep 10, 2018
ahaa And now we have in our midst the unconscionable presence of the head dotard, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz aka thegrossofotto1923 who just couldn't help itself - it had to come to loverboy's rescue. LOL

Sep 10, 2018
Pretty much the same as YOU are doing here, except that I am learning - whereas YOU are being an idiot.


Errrm, sorry? I am getting shit off you because I keep correcting the idiot Benni, because I understand the science, and he doesn't. And neither do you. How do you expect to learn with tossers like Benni throwing crap around, if people don't point out said crap? Hmmm?
And I would suggest going to a physics forum if you are really interested in learning science. This place is full of idiots like Benni and cantthink. Cosmoquest has a very good Q & A thread.


Sep 10, 2018
Pretty much the same as YOU are doing here, except that I am learning - whereas YOU are being an idiot.


Errrm, sorry? I am getting shit off you because I keep correcting the idiot Benni, because I understand the science, and he doesn't. And neither do you. How do you expect to learn with tossers like Benni throwing crap around, if people don't point out said crap? Hmmm?
And I would suggest going to a physics forum if you are really interested in learning science. This place is full of idiots like Benni and cantthink. Cosmoquest has a very good Q & A thread.

says jones

And how do you know that I haven't been there before and during? I happen to like this website. It amuses me. YOU amuse me also. I think I'll stay.

Sep 10, 2018
>jonesy, life has passed you by, it's too late in your life to get it back.

You couldn't survive even that one year stint majoring in Anthropology, now nearing the end of your life you are realizing how little you've accomplished & you simply get mad at people you aspire to be like, all the while knowing you can never be. It's gone jonesy, just give it up & move on, the more you explain & then re-explain yourself the more foolish you come off looking to normal people.

Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....

Sep 10, 2018
>jonesy, life has passed you by, it's too late in your life to get it back.

You couldn't survive even that one year stint majoring in Anthropology, now nearing the end of your life you are realizing how little you've accomplished & you simply get mad at people you aspire to be like, all the while knowing you can never be. It's gone jonesy, just give it up & move on, the more you explain & then re-explain yourself the more foolish you come off looking to normal people.


Hey, thicko. I look foolish? I'm not the D-K affected tosspot claiming to understand nuclear physics and then making a complete burke of himself by failing to understand the very basics! You are scientifically illiterate, but have some sort of mental disorder that requires you to post on subjects about which you are totally clueless. And since when have you been normal, you bloody loon?

Sep 10, 2018
Keep fit and active into old age, as we still think and feel as we did at sweet sixteen
>jonesy, life has passed you by, it's too late in your life to get it back.
You couldn't survive even that one year stint majoring in Anthropology, now nearing the end of your life you are realizing how little you've accomplished & you simply get mad at people you aspire to be like, all the while knowing you can never be. It's gone jonesy, just give it up & move on, the more you explain & then re-explain yourself the more foolish you come off looking to normal people.

The phrase embittered old man has oft been used, as we all get old and frail in time, but still reason not to become embittered aged soul, as however old we become, we still think and feel as we did at sweet sixteen.
Good look to all us aged souls, as merriment we make before judgement day!

Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a·lum·na
əˈləmnə
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.

I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.

Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....


In any case, you used the correct word/description - semantically objective it was. No need to give further thought to it. jones wouldn't understand it.

Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a·lum·na
É�ˈlÉ�mnÉ�
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.

I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.


Nope, took you hours to come up with that. You just spelled it wrong. Dickhead! Lol.

Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....


In any case, you used the correct word/description - semantically objective it was. No need to give further thought to it. jones wouldn't understand it.


I understand a bloody sight more than you, you uneducated poser. What are you doing here? You are as clueless about science as the idiots Benni and cantthink. What is it with you people? Get a hard time at school for being crap at science and maths? Need to make yourself feel better by posting on a comments section, whilst lacking the balls to go to a physics forum? Strange lot.

Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a•lum•na
É�ˈlÉ�mnÉ�
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.
I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.

In point of fact CD, JD often refers in the feminine vocabulary, I thought everyone had noted that, but still no reason for embitterment.

Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a•lum•na
Éď��ˈlÉď��mnÉď��
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.
I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.

In point of fact CD, JD often refers in the feminine vocabulary, I thought everyone had noted that, but still no reason for embitterment.


And the other fruitloop is here. Full house!

Sep 10, 2018
And the other fruitloop is here. Full house!
BINGO

Sep 10, 2018
And the other fruitloop is here. Full house!
BINGO

> granDy........wrong game, "I raise you...." is the proper quip for full house, not bingo, that's what jonesy does on weekends at the local firehall.

Sep 10, 2018
And the other fruitloop is here. Full house!
BINGO

> granDy........wrong game, "I raise you...." is the proper quip for full house, not bingo, that's what jonesy does on weekends at the local firehall.


And what do you do at weekends, when you aren't interbreeding with the rellies?

Sep 10, 2018
As I was saying before we were so rudely interrupted:

Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017

https://formulas....ula.html
"Precision long-term measurements of beta-decay-rate ratios in a controlled environment"

https://reader.el...343D8A77

Sep 10, 2018
As I was saying before we were so rudely interrupted:

Decay Rate Half-Life. Half-life is the time period that is characterized by the time it takes for half of the substance to decay (both radioactive and non-radioactive elements).The rate of decay remains constant throughout the decay process.Jun 10, 2017

https://formulas....ula.html


And? Do the atoms that decay lose half their mass? That is what Benni believes. Maybe you should be addressing your belated findings to that fruitloop.

Sep 10, 2018
And that would be 'alumni'. Guess you didn't do English, either.

I used alumnae for a reason....


In any case, you used the correct word/description - semantically objective it was. No need to give further thought to it. jones wouldn't understand it.


I understand a bloody sight more than you, you uneducated poser. What are you doing here? You are as clueless about science as the idiots Benni and cantthink. What is it with you people? Get a hard time at school for being crap at science and maths? Need to make yourself feel better by posting on a comments section, whilst lacking the balls to go to a physics forum? Strange lot.

says jones

The REAL question is why YOU are spewing your hateful idiocy in THIS particular forum/article when you KNOW ALREADY that we are in here. YOU have already disturbed us from enjoying our discoveries both from each other, and from the Search engines where good articles/papers have been published.


Sep 10, 2018
The REAL question is why YOU are spewing your hateful idiocy in THIS particular forum/article when you KNOW ALREADY that we are in here. YOU have already disturbed us from enjoying our discoveries both from each other, and from the Search engines where good articles/papers have been published.


What? Listen, thicko, I was addressing a couple of loons who were suggesting a sodding plasmoid as the cause of the stellar orbits at the galactic centre! Now, if you think you have found a good scientific paper on that, let's see it. Otherwise, as I said, it is complete woo. Anybody that thinks otherwise knows nothing about the relevant science.


Sep 10, 2018
I used alumnae for a reason....


Yep, can't spell, as well as being clueless at science.

a•lum•na
Éď��ˈlÉď��mnÉď��
noun
plural noun: *alumnae*
a female graduate or former student of a particular school, college, or university.
I used it jonesdumb, because you're sounding like a bunch of bitches.

In point of fact CD, JD often refers in the feminine vocabulary, I thought everyone had noted that, but still no reason for embitterment.
says granville

I have noticed that also. jones does seem quite a bit effeminate with his, "oh dear", "dear me", and other girly sayings. I thought that I had best not mention such misgivings, else be thought of as a homophobe. And why does a grown man talk like a girly-man I wanted to ask. But it would have been impolite, so I left sleeping dogs lie, so to speak.
:)