Long-sought decay of Higgs boson observed

August 28, 2018, CERN
A candidate event display for the production of a Higgs boson decaying to two b-quarks (blue cones), in association with a W boson decaying to a muon (red) and a neutrino. The neutrino leaves the detector unseen, and is reconstructed through the missing transverse energy (dashed line). Credit: ATLAS Collaboration/CERN

Six years after its discovery, the Higgs boson has at last been observed decaying to fundamental particles known as bottom quarks. The finding, presented today at CERN1 by the ATLAS and CMS collaborations at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), is consistent with the hypothesis that the all-pervading quantum field behind the Higgs boson also gives mass to the bottom quark. Both teams have submitted their results for publication today.

The Standard Model of particle physics predicts that about 60% of the time a Higgs boson will decay to a pair of bottom quarks, the second-heaviest of the six flavours of quarks. Testing this prediction is crucial because the result would either lend support to the Standard Model – which is built upon the idea that the Higgs field endows quarks and other with mass – or rock its foundations and point to .

Spotting this common Higgs-boson decay channel is anything but easy, as the six-year period since the discovery of the boson has shown. The reason for the difficulty is that there are many other ways of producing bottom quarks in proton–proton collisions. This makes it hard to isolate the Higgs-boson decay signal from the background "noise" associated with such processes. By contrast, the less-common Higgs-boson decay channels that were observed at the time of discovery of the particle, such as the decay to a pair of photons, are much easier to extract from the background.

To extract the signal, the ATLAS and CMS collaborations each combined data from the first and second runs of the LHC, which involved collisions at energies of 7, 8 and 13 TeV. They then applied complex analysis methods to the data. The upshot, for both ATLAS and CMS, was the detection of the decay of the Higgs boson to a pair of bottom quarks with a significance that exceeds 5 standard deviations. Furthermore, both teams measured a rate for the decay that is consistent with the Standard Model prediction, within the current precision of the measurement.

Candidate event display for the production of a Higgs boson decaying to two b-quarks. A 2 b-tag, 2-jet, 2-electron event within the signal-like portion of the high pTV and high BDTVH output distribution is shown (Run 337215, Event 1906922941). Electrons are shown as blue tracks with a large energy deposit in the electromagnetic calorimeter, corresponding to light green bars. Two of them form an invariant mass of 93.6 GeV, compatible with a Z boson. The two central high-pT b-tagged jets are represented by light blue cones. They contain the green and yellow bars corresponding to the energy deposition in the electromagnetic and hadronic calorimeters respectively, and they have an invariant mass of 128.1 GeV. The value of pTV is 246.7 GeV, and BDTVH output value is 0.47. Credit: ATLAS Collaboration/CERN

"This observation is a milestone in the exploration of the Higgs boson. It shows that the ATLAS and CMS experiments have achieved deep understanding of their data and a control of backgrounds that surpasses expectations. ATLAS has now observed all couplings of the Higgs boson to the heavy quarks and leptons of the third generation as well as all major production modes," said Karl Jakobs, spokesperson of the ATLAS collaboration.

"Since the first single-experiment observation of the Higgs boson decay to tau-leptons one year ago, CMS, along with our colleagues in ATLAS, has observed the coupling of the Higgs boson to the heaviest fermions: the tau, the top quark, and now the bottom . The superb LHC performance and modern machine-learning techniques allowed us to achieve this result earlier than expected," said Joel Butler, spokesperson of the CMS collaboration.

With more data, the collaborations will improve the precision of these and other measurements and probe the decay of the Higgs into a pair of much-less-massive fermions called muons, always watching for deviations in the data that could point to physics beyond the Standard Model.

Candidate event display for the production of a Higgs boson decaying to two b-quarks. A 2-tag, 2-jet, 0-lepton event within the signal-like portion of the high pTV and high BDTVH output (Run 339500, Event 694513952) is shown. The ETMiss, shown as a white dashed line, has a magnitude of 479.1 GeV. The two central high-pT b-tagged jets are represented by light blue cones. They contain the green and yellow bars corresponding to the energy deposition in the electromagnetic and hadronic calorimeters respectively. The dijet invariant mass of 128.1 GeV. The BDTVH output value is 0.74. Credit: ATLAS Collaboration/CERN

"The experiments continue to home in on the Higgs particle, which is often considered a portal to new physics. These beautiful and early achievements also underscore our plans for upgrading the LHC to substantially increase the statistics. The analysis methods have now been shown to reach the precision required for exploration of the full physics landscape, including hopefully new physics that so far hides so subtly," said CERN Director for Research and Computing Eckhard Elsen.

Explore further: New level of precision achieved in combined measurements of Higgs boson couplings

More information: Observation of Higgs boson decay to bottom quarks. arXiv:1808.08242 [hep-ex] arxiv.org/abs/1808.08242

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rodkeh
1.8 / 5 (25) Aug 28, 2018
I have already produced a mathematical proof of the quantum universe and there are no such things as Higgs bosons. This is just fake science being used to generate funding and justify the huge waste of resources called the LHC.
jonesdave
4.1 / 5 (22) Aug 28, 2018
I have already produced a mathematical proof of the quantum universe and there are no such things as Higgs bosons. This is just fake science being used to generate funding and justify the huge waste of resources called the LHC.


Whoops - more Dunning-Kruger inspired nonsense on its way, I suspect!
rodkeh
1.4 / 5 (19) Aug 28, 2018
Whoops - more Dunning-Kruger inspired nonsense on its way, I suspect!


More uneducated American twits. You fools are everywhere.
joel in oakland
5 / 5 (19) Aug 28, 2018
"I have already produced a mathematical proof ..."

Please post the link to where it's published, so we can all take a look.
antialias_physorg
3.7 / 5 (27) Aug 28, 2018
Whoops - more Dunning-Kruger inspired nonsense on its way, I suspect!

No ned to suspect. Someone posting in the comment section on a science newsfeed site (read: not even on a science site) about their great achievements without any kind of argument or link?

Yeah. rodkeh has Dunning-Kruger written all over him.

But hey...if it works for Trump that he says he's great - and half the american public believes it sight unseen - then it must work for some kid like him, too.

Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (19) Aug 28, 2018
@rod
I have already produced a mathematical proof of the quantum universe
erm... no
you've produced a conjecture - see also:
A proof must demonstrate that a statement is always true (occasionally by listing all possible cases and showing that it holds in each), rather than enumerate many confirmatory cases. An unproved proposition that is believed to be true is known as a conjecture
https://en.wikipe...al_proof

if you had a proof, you would be able to link the journal reference, the validation and etc
More uneducated American twits
considering you've not been able to substantiate your claim, I would rethink that statement as it denigrates yourself and your national education system

especially as you've not presented any evidence for your claim other than your personal anecdotal beliefs
rodkeh
1.6 / 5 (18) Aug 28, 2018
especially as you've not presented any evidence for your claim other than your personal anecdotal beliefs


Why would I present anything here? You are Americans, you can't understand anything scientific. You lack the education.
jonesdave
4.4 / 5 (19) Aug 28, 2018
especially as you've not presented any evidence for your claim other than your personal anecdotal beliefs


Why would I present anything here? You are Americans, you can't understand anything scientific. You lack the education.


Hmm, as we used to say in my part of not America; 'sounds like cobblers to me!'

https://www.colli...cobblers
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (16) Aug 28, 2018
@rod
Why would I present anything here?
because the site is not moderated and no scientific journal will accept your claim - it's the only place you can get away with grandiose sweeping claims that are complete and utter bunk
You are Americans, you can't understand anything scientific
this coming from a so-called educated person that just claimed his maths conjecture is a proof?

...erm, are you going for irony or hyperbole?

especially with final comment!

I mean... you made the claim but you have no evidence, yet you think we should accept this given that there are zero papers on google scholar that meet your claims?

but we're the uneducated ones who can't understand anything scientific?

ROTFLMFAO

pull the other one
flueninsky
3.4 / 5 (11) Aug 28, 2018
Fractals of state
@rodkeh I have already produced a mathematical proof of the quantum universe and there are no such things as Higgs bosons. This is just fake science being used to generate funding and justify the huge waste of resources called the LHC.

Large Hadron Collider, OBSOLETE?.
rodkeh
https://www.youtu...VcWaoBzQ
Doing a quick YouTube search and your username came up rodkeh, I am curious rodkeh are these yours or is this just a coincidence that someone called rodkeh talking about the universe is just a coincidence rodkeh.
Because if its you own work there was no harm in putting your YouTube link.
Oh, and by the way rodkeh, no one said the LHC was spewing out blackholes
Hyperfuzzy
2 / 5 (4) Aug 28, 2018
Oops, thought is was logic that dismissed ... whatever. Decaying nonsense. No disrespect, jux illogical!
rodkeh
1.7 / 5 (12) Aug 28, 2018
Fractals of state
@rodkeh I have already produced a mathematical proof of the quantum universe and there are no such things as Higgs bosons. This is just fake science being used to generate funding and justify the huge waste of resources called the LHC.

Large Hadron Collider, OBSOLETE?.
rodkeh
https://www.youtu...VcWaoBzQ
Doing a quick YouTube search and your username came up rodkeh, I am curious rodkeh are these yours or is this just a coincidence that someone called rodkeh talking about the universe is just a coincidence rodkeh.
Because if its you own work there was no harm in putting your YouTube link.
Oh, and by the way rodkeh, no one said the LHC was spewing out blackholes

As I said, why would I post a reference, no one here could understand it.
What is this reference to blackholes?
flueninsky
3 / 5 (8) Aug 28, 2018
An interpretation on spewing blackholes, a clear video rodkeh
@ rodkeh What is this reference to blackholes

This makes the LHC,Obsolete!-Part#2
"There are now observed to be blackholes, it should be blatantly obvious the LHC could ever produce a Blackhole 7:44 / 8:42"
rrwillsj
3.7 / 5 (15) Aug 28, 2018
Oh rodkeh! You are just teasing us with vague allusions to your magical formula for unobtainium.

Go on, be a pal. Share your secret kabbala unveiling the mysteries of the Cosmos.

Just imagine the public adulation you will receive for showing us all up as ignorant prats..

How it will magnify your accomplishment with the revelation of your wisdom.

As we gnash our teeth in impotent rage that you are such an obviously superior intellect!
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (4) Aug 28, 2018
An interpretation on spewing blackholes, a clear video rodkeh
@ rodkeh What is this reference to blackholes

This makes the LHC,Obsolete!-Part#2
"There are now observed to be blackholes, it should be blatantly obvious the LHC could ever produce a Blackhole 7:44 / 8:42"

?
A black hole, in spite of your math has an infinite density; therefore nothing else can exist! Unless i use your math for infinity ...

Note: Charge Exists! Add Logic Math then ... Now that particular shape and field; bipolar; ... Objective Thanks Coulomb yeah Maxwell we see the actual equal potential surfaces; nothing else!
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (4) Aug 28, 2018
Try a set of CPU's with a set of Object Memory Memory Defining Every Point in Space as per my 4D space So I think we can figure it out from there. Lambda as Ref. then Dimensionless Space Every query is .... At some point ya synch ya self to the Universe. Tesla? 3 6 9 ???
Hyperfuzzy
1.4 / 5 (5) Aug 28, 2018
I mean we are in synch wit som'n; an infinite set of the asymptotic fields lying beneath he near field!
rodkeh
2.3 / 5 (6) Aug 28, 2018
"There are now observed to be blackholes, it should be blatantly obvious the LHC could ever produce a Blackhole 7:44 / 8:42"


Maybe you need a better sound card, what you should have heard was, "chunk of cold matter, that are now observed to be blackhole, it should be blatantly obvious that the LHC could "never" produce a blackhole.

Maybe it is my recording, I never claim to be a YouTube personality or performer and this was a very crude presentation. It was meant as documentation and presented so people could take screen shots of the spreadsheet and be able to duplicate the experiment, that's all.
rodkeh
2.3 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2018
Oh rodkeh! You are just teasing us with vague allusions to your magical formula for unobtainium.

Go on, be a pal. Share your secret kabbala unveiling the mysteries of the Cosmos.

Just imagine the public adulation you will receive for showing us all up as ignorant prats..

How it will magnify your accomplishment with the revelation of your wisdom.

As we gnash our teeth in impotent rage that you are such an obviously superior intellect!


How can I argue with that kind of logic?
flueninsky
3 / 5 (10) Aug 28, 2018
It's your video so why the question to blackholes
@rodkeh As I said, why would I post a reference, no one here could understand it.What is this reference to blackholes?

I was just looking again at these comments rodkeh, and yours struck a chord, as though I answered a few moments ago - it's your video, so why are you asking "What is this reference to blackholes?"
flueninsky
3.2 / 5 (11) Aug 28, 2018
Protonic quarks are never seen outside protons
@phys.org the Higgs boson has at last been observed decaying to fundamental particles known as bottom quarks

the decay of the Higgs boson into a pair of much-less-massive fermions called muons"
the Higgs boson decaying to a bottom quark implies the Higgs boson is decaying inside the proton because quarks are never seen in isolation.
rodkeh
2.6 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2018
- it's your video, so why are you asking "What is this reference to blackholes?"


Yes, it is my video but I made it years ago, so I don't remember what I said, verbatim, so I had no idea of what you were referring to but after reviewing it (thanks for the excellent tracking), I see what you mean. At that time, when I was making the video, was just before the LHC came on line for the first time and at that time there was an ongoing discussion suggesting that, when the LHC did come on line, it could create a black hole and suck us all up. A truly idiotic notion! I was attempting to dispel any such notion.

flueninsky
2.2 / 5 (12) Aug 28, 2018
Look around you old bean
@Captain Stumpy because the site is not moderated.

And come back and repeat your claim stumps.
flueninsky
2.4 / 5 (10) Aug 28, 2018
- it's your video, so why are you asking "What is this reference to blackholes?"


Yes, it is my video but I made it years ago, so I don't remember what I said, verbatim, so I had no idea of what you were referring to but after reviewing it (thanks for the excellent tracking), I see what you mean. At that time, when I was making the video, was just before the LHC came on line for the first time and at that time there was an ongoing discussion suggesting that, when the LHC did come on line, it could create a black hole and suck us all up. A truly idiotic notion! I was attempting to dispel any such notion.

thanks for the comformation rodkeh
rodkeh
3.3 / 5 (7) Aug 28, 2018
thanks for the comformation rodkeh


You're welcome flueninsky.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (13) Aug 28, 2018
@flueninsky
And come back and repeat your claim stumps
which one?
He is already ignoring it

and youtube is *not* a reference
it has no peer review process, it doesn't have any real moderation (example: any zeph youtube link for cold fusion, overunity or etc)
also note, there are no links or references in his description

more to the point, if he was capable of debunking the LHC with his youtube video he would already have been awarded his Nobel

what we see above is simple:
he has opinions on youtube
he can't show empirical evidence except for an appeal to self-perceived authority
there is no secondary validation
there is no submission
there is no peer review

IOW - this are "...statements, beliefs, or practices that are claimed to be both scientific and factual, but are incompatible with the scientific method"

this is the very definition of pseudoscience: https://en.wikipe...oscience

Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (11) Aug 28, 2018
I have already produced a mathematical proof of the quantum universe and there are no such things as Higgs bosons. This is just fake science being used to generate funding and justify the huge waste of resources called the LHC.
says rodkeh

IF, as you say, you have formulated math proof etc.etc., then if you truly have confidence in the correctness and plausibility of your work, then Physorg is the wrong place to promote your work, as this website has no real scientists (or only one or two who come to this site for giggles) and the comments that you receive most often will be from those who have NO scientific background but are here only to DEMAND that you prove to THEM/HIM as to whether or not your work has merit.

IF you feel that your work does have merit, then I suggest that you take it to bona fide scientists in the right field so that they will give you pointers to correct any errors that will help you REFINE your work/maths so that you will continue on the right path
rodkeh
2.2 / 5 (13) Aug 28, 2018
IF you feel that your work does have merit, then I suggest that you take it to bona fide scientists in the right field so that they will give you pointers to correct any errors that will help you REFINE your work/maths so that you will continue on the right path


I didn't present my work here, someone else did. As I have stated on numerous occasions, no one here has a clue about science, why would I bother.

As for bona fide scientists, are you referring to the ones like the idiots here, that are claiming they have more proof of an imaginary particle? If what I say is true, then I have no peers but I will be sure to follow your brilliant, sage advice!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.1 / 5 (11) Aug 28, 2018
Oh rodkeh! You are just teasing us with vague allusions to your magical formula for unobtainium.

Go on, be a pal. Share your secret kabbala unveiling the mysteries of the Cosmos.

Just imagine the public adulation you will receive for showing us all up as ignorant prats..

How it will magnify your accomplishment with the revelation of your wisdom.

As we gnash our teeth in impotent rage that you are such an obviously superior intellect!

says rrwillsj

Shame on you, You think that's funny?
How do you know that rodkeh might not just be the next generation Albert Einstein to come up the hill from obscurity with new maths that translate to reality? You should reflect more on your own math skills before jumping all over that of someone else's. You are becoming too much like the haters that showed you disrespect in this website, and you KNOW who they are.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (12) Aug 28, 2018
IF you feel that your work does have merit, then I suggest that you take it to bona fide scientists in the right field so that they will give you pointers to correct any errors that will help you REFINE your work/maths so that you will continue on the right path


I didn't present my work here, someone else did. As I have stated on numerous occasions, no one here has a clue about science, why would I bother.

As for bona fide scientists, are you referring to the ones like the idiots here, that are claiming they have more proof of an imaginary particle? If what I say is true, then I have no peers but I will be sure to follow your brilliant, sage advice!
says rodkeh

Good man. You at least understand the kinds of people who frequent this website and what most of them are on about. The only bona fide scientists are spoken of in the articles, and most of them wouldn't be caught dead commenting in Physorg.
Carry on with your formulation/work and good luck to you.
flueninsky
2.6 / 5 (10) Aug 28, 2018
Concerning moderation old bean
@flueninsky
And come back and repeat your claim stumps
@Captain Stumpy which one?
He is already ignoring it

@Captain Stumpy because the site is not moderated
https://phys.org/...ies.html
There clearly is moderation in progress stumps....
flueninsky
2.3 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2018
Oh rodkeh! You are just teasing us with vague allusions to your magical formula for unobtainium.

Go on, be a pal Share your secret kabbala unveiling the mysteries of the Cosmos

Just imagine the public adulation you will receive for showing us all up as ignorant prats..

How it will magnify your accomplishment with the revelation of your wisdom.

As we gnash our teeth in impotent rage that you are such an obviously superior intellect!

says rrwillsj

@SEU Shame on you You think that's funny
How do you know that rodkeh might not just be the next generation Albert Einstein to come up the hill from obscurity with new maths that translate to reality You should reflect more on your own math skills before jumping all over that of someone else's You are becoming too much like the haters that showed you disrespect in this website, and you KNOW who they are

I think he should have used a different YouTube user name SEU, its a debatable subject with many endings
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.2 / 5 (10) Aug 28, 2018
@ flueinsky

How is everything going in the Shire? Fairly well, I would imagine.
The moderators are busy with all of the complaints/reports and are still doing their level best to rid the site of transgressors' egregious comments that a normal person would not dream of saying. Although it is my firm belief that many of those transgressors are allowed to remain on site, as some of those same moderators and others are receiving funds from the transgressors to look the other way. Which is why I tend to ignore the comments of the transgressors, having recognised that they are of woefully inadequate mental capacity, as well as possessed by demonic forces. Oh yes, of course demons exist and are now in possession of some of those who comment in physorg. Any science site is the perfect place for demonic ablation of religious or semi-religious discourse.
flueninsky
1.9 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2018
In the Shires
@ flueinsky
How is everything going in the Shire? Fairly well I would imagine.

I agree SEU those demonic voices have been tamed having returned to the quantum fluctuations from whence they came SEU, this site is a better place as little children can read the comments on this site SEU, now hopefully they can continue to do so!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.9 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2018
Yes, and I agree that they may have emanated from the "quantum fluctuations" with the assistance of, perhaps, a flux capacitor meltdown during a test run at the LHC. It only takes but once to allow them entry into reality, and thence into physorg for the duration of their intensive science courses before their return to the quantum fluctuations/nether estates in order to relate to the Big Cheese their findings of how the human tribe will fall to their command.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
1.9 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2018
Children were afraid to enter the physorg forums to make inquiry as to how science works on different levels of reality, particularly when faced with such undefinable and unobservable (directly) magic puffs of Dark Matter/Dark Energy. We all know that children are strong on Reality, and it is extremely hard to pull any wool over they eyes. They scream the loudest when they are told that something exists but cannot be seen directly. Then they are told that it can be seen only indirectly, to which they return to their room for a good cry.

Of note, my Mum's family was from the Shires and some have remained, happily living and having good fun.

:D
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2018
@flueninsky
There clearly is moderation in progress stumps
surely you jest?

despite the claim that pseudoscience will be deleted, the site chooses to leave the pseudoscience posted here, as you can see above (and with all the eu claims, or the religious creationist idiocy, or rc, or... )

deleting zeph for continuously spamming this site with his personal links happens regularly, almost like clockwork. in point of fact, you will see zeph respawn here and will "behave" for a while until he just can't help it and his compulsion kicks in, and he will post about aether, overunity and cold fusion, then spam the site, then get deleted. respawn

the average is 3 months unless he's having a meltdown, then he can go through about 10 socks in 4 weeks

.

@eggy
of course demons exist and are now in possession of some
calling bullsh*t on this one

and I've had far, far, far more experience working with "evil" than you
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.2 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2018


and I've had far, far, far more experience working with "evil" than you


And you know this - how?
HannaB
5 / 5 (3) Aug 29, 2018
How many b-quark events were actually collected?
Old_C_Code
4.3 / 5 (6) Aug 29, 2018
...did you by chance look at the list of nobel prize winners in physics? Looks like more Americans than any country. Maybe one of those stupid Americans will hack you now. D'oh!
Anonym642864
1.2 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2018
To my mind there are only antimatter and matter in the universe. The energy produced due to collision of matter and anti matter energy is formed as E = MC2. The fall in temperature gives birth to two partcles as True quark which you call Boson. This Boson breaks up into Top, Down and Bottom quarks.
Benni
2.1 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2018
and I've had far, far, far more experience working with "evil" than you


And you know this - how?


No one knows him better than himself, runners-up would be his three ex-wives he's admittted having. Leaves you to wondering if he has adult children who will even talk to him?

He's the epitome of human depravity, he knows it & is so proud of it that he screams it right into our faces with that "Stumpy" moniker, then to precede it with "Captain"? Ask yourself, why would anyone with these depravities even be interested in a chatroom with a deep science backdrop to it? It's because he's looking for NORMALIZATION by those he deep down aspires to be like, then when he's rejected he becomes like the kid back in high school who couldn't get dates & his hateful resentments show up in forms of threats
to of bodily harm to others as he threatened me just over three years ago. Let's just see if he'll deny this & then I'll put up his post making those threats to me.

Anonym972211
1.8 / 5 (8) Aug 29, 2018
Whoops - more Dunning-Kruger inspired nonsense on its way, I suspect!

No ned to suspect. Someone posting in the comment section on a science newsfeed site (read: not even on a science site) about their great achievements without any kind of argument or link?

Yeah. rodkeh has Dunning-Kruger written all over him.

But hey...if it works for Trump that he says he's great - and half the american public believes it sight unseen - then it must work for some kid like him, too.


So can I assume you felt even more rage when that intellectual titan known as William Jefferson Clinton killed the Superconducting Super Collider?
Hyperfuzzy
1.8 / 5 (5) Aug 29, 2018
If you be still for just a second; look at our world of thinking for the last 4000 years; he is a creation from nonsense w/o guidance!
Hyperfuzzy
2 / 5 (4) Aug 29, 2018
If you be still for just a second; look at our world of thinking for the last 4000 years; he is a creation from nonsense w/o guidance!

i.e. w/o Logic!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Aug 29, 2018
@ Hyperfuzzball
Who are you referring to, fuzzy? Come on - spit it out so that we can all join in the fun.
:D
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (9) Aug 30, 2018
and I've had far, far, far more experience working with "evil" than you


And you know this - how?


No one knows him better than himself, runners-up would be his three ex-wives he's admittted having. Leaves you to wondering if he has adult children who will even talk to him?

He's the epitome of human depravity,... with that "Stumpy" moniker, then to precede it with "Captain"? Ask yourself, why would anyone with these depravities even be...looking for NORMALIZATION by those he deep down aspires to be like, then when he's rejected... he & his hateful resentments show up in forms of threats of bodily harm to others as he threatened me just over three years ago...if he'll deny this & then I'll put up his post making those threats...
says Benni

Well, one has to wonder why, after having had 3 wives, he refers to himself as "stumpy". Others might refer to themselves as "long John" or "Cockster" or even "logjammer". So stumpy must be an apt description
granville583762
2.8 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2018
Simply Stumps, Surveillance_Egg_Unit – The Ugly Trolls Bridge
and I've had far, far, far more experience working with "evil" than you

And you know this - how?

He's the epitome of human depravity,... with that "Stumpy" moniker
says Benn.

Think of those shires Surveillance_Egg_Unit, those babbling brooks and slippery stepping stones, where the ugly trolls bridge is always there waiting and waiting for that inevitable slip, by the way Eggsy, the reference to the "ugly trolls bridge" is nothing to do with presently, it is from ancient fairy tale books, which 50 odd years back, the school kids used to call the bridge in the woods by the school.
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (2) Aug 30, 2018
@ Hyperfuzzball
Who are you referring to, fuzzy? Come on - spit it out so that we can all join in the fun.
:D

Everything!
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Aug 30, 2018
Simply Stumps, Surveillance_Egg_Unit – The Ugly Trolls Bridge
and I've had far, far, far more experience working with "evil" than you

And you know this - how?

He's the epitome of human depravity,... with that "Stumpy" moniker
says Benn.

Think of those shires Surveillance_Egg_Unit, those babbling brooks and slippery stepping stones, where the ugly trolls bridge is always there waiting and waiting for that inevitable slip, by the way S_E_U, the reference to the "ugly trolls bridge" is nothing to do with presently, it is from ancient fairy tale books, which 50 odd years back, the school kids used to call the bridge... by the school.
says granville

I think that the "troll' under the bridge" mythology was started by Scandinavians, then brought to England and Germany. The myth may have begun with highwaymen hiding under a bridge demanding money from travelers attempting to cross the bridge. Interesting
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Aug 30, 2018
@GV
The Shires are certainly beautiful places and I will be visiting relatives there on occasion. My Mum sounds a wee bit like you speaking in regional colloquialisms which she learned as a child, interspersed with the King's English. But do not worry, most English speakers who understand the language well, should have no problem understanding both you AND my Mum.
:)
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (4) Aug 30, 2018
If you be still for just a second; look at our world of thinking for the last 4000 years; he is a creation from nonsense w/o guidance!

i.e. w/o Logic!
says Hyperfuzzball

I must now ask you WHO is a creation from nonsense without guidance/logic?
Have you been imbibing a pint or two?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Aug 30, 2018
@ granville (GV)
This link leads to a Reddit forum about "trolls under a bridge".

https://www.reddi..._trolls/

I was correct in that it is of Scandinavian origin.

The use of the word "troll" as a description/insult in internet forums seems juvenile and puerile.
Those who use it on a regular basis, --(such as Cap'n Stinkystump and thegrossofotto, to describe those who downrate them, and those who refuse to enlarge Stinkystump's reserve of Scientific information, whether validated/peer-reviewed or not)--, are not really interested exclusively in the Science offered in physorg articles, but only in their ability to SMEAR THE CHARACTER of each of their victims in the forums. Stinkystump and grossofotto are most often laughed at (silently due to the inability to send sound waves through to physorg).

But juvenile, stupid and puerile it is.
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (3) Aug 30, 2018
If you be still for just a second; look at our world of thinking for the last 4000 years; he is a creation from nonsense w/o guidance!

i.e. w/o Logic!
says Hyperfuzzball

I must now ask you WHO is a creation from nonsense without guidance/logic?
Have you been imbibing a pint or two?

This has gone on too long. There only Exists the Geometrical Center Of An E field and it Exist as Bi Polar; therefore every particle, field, and forces are derivative! QED! Re: Coulomb!
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (3) Aug 30, 2018
If you be still for just a second; look at our world of thinking for the last 4000 years; he is a creation from nonsense w/o guidance!

i.e. w/o Logic!
says Hyperfuzzball

I must now ask you WHO is a creation from nonsense without guidance/logic?
Have you been imbibing a pint or two?

This has gone on too long. There only Exists the Geometrical Center Of An E field and it Exist as Bi Polar; therefore every particle, field, and forces are derivative! QED! Re: Coulomb!

Oh, Donald? Surely he is not of his own design; Society? The lack of Logic in the pursuit of $ everywhere! 'bout 4000 years
granville583762
3 / 5 (8) Aug 30, 2018
In those beautiful Shires
@GV
The Shires are certainly beautiful places and I will be visiting relatives there on occasion. My Mum sounds a wee bit like you speaking in regional colloquialisms which she learned as a child, interspersed with the King's English. But do not worry, most English speakers who understand the language well, should have no problem understanding both you AND my Mum

I didn't realise I was speaking in colloquialisms till this site throughout the country no one noticed your obviously mixing in the right circles SEU with all these ancient fairy tales now abounding if you let your Mum loose on this site, there would be a lot of vacant ugly troll bridges as the trolls head for the hills

Dasent's Tales from Norse made Troll a household English word. The all-time favourite The Three Billy-Goats Gruff, This simple story introduced English readers to a great ugly troll, with eyes as big as saucers, and a nose as long as a poker who lived under a bridge
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
3 / 5 (6) Sep 01, 2018
@granville
There is nothing wrong in speaking colloquially that you acquired from your birthplace. Here in the States, there are many regions/areas where it is hard to understand what the locals are saying due to their thick Southern regional accents. In New England states, the locals in the countryside have a pseudo-British accent where they pronounce certain words such as half = hahf, as though they were from London. In parts of California, the men sound a bit foppish, if you know what I mean. And in Texas they have a decidedly twangish way of talking. But that's what makes diversity, I suppose. I have warned my Mum about the strange people on physorg, so she has no intention of commenting in this site, but only to read the science articles.
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 01, 2018
Some of our best minds come with a health warning
SEU> I have warned my Mum about the strange people on physorg, so she has no intention of commenting in this site, but only to read the science articles

These strange people on phys.org are some of our best minds, it's right amusing they come with health warning, I was never warned, only learning the hard way – in fact these strange people weren't warned beforehand that I was learning the hard way – they needed warning more than I did as they've suffered terribly for their sins, the little darlings have turned to religion to retain their sanity, the little they had to begin with.
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (1) Sep 01, 2018
Some of our best minds come with a health warning
SEU> I have warned my Mum about the strange people on physorg, so she has no intention of commenting in this site, but only to read the science articles

These strange people on phys.org are some of our best minds, it's right amusing they come with health warning, I was never warned, only learning the hard way – in fact these strange people weren't warned beforehand that I was learning the hard way – they needed warning more than I did as they've suffered terribly for their sins, the little darlings have turned to religion to retain their sanity, the little they had to begin with.

Start with the Universe of Discourse described as the Formal Logic. Betcha can't find nun. Search the last 4000 years. Your statement is self-referent!
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 01, 2018
Boole's 1854 definition
Hyperfuzzy> Start with the Universe of Discourse described as the Formal Logic. Betcha can't find nun. Search the last 4000 years. Your statement is self-referent!

Every discourse the mind conversing with its own thoughts the individual in his intercourse with others is an assumed or expressed limit within which the subjects of its operation are confined. Unfettered discourse is that in which the words we use are understood in the widest possible application for them the limits of discourse are co-extensive with those of the universe itself We confine ourselves to a less spacious field in discoursing of men we imply that it is of men only under certain circumstances and conditions that we speak, as of civilized men, or of men in the vigour of life whatever the extent of the field within which all the objects of our discourse are found, that field may properly be termed the universe of discourse https://en.wikipe...iscourse
granville583762
3.7 / 5 (6) Sep 01, 2018
George Boole
Hyperfuzzy> Universe of Discourse

Born in November 1815 – 8 December 1864 was a self-taught English mathematician philosopher and logician as the first professor of mathematics at Queens College, Cork in Ireland worked in the fields of differential equations and algebraic logic is best known as the author of The Laws of Thought (1854) which contains Boolean algebra. Boolean logic is credited with laying the foundations for the information age. George Boole maintained no general method for the solution of questions in the theory of probabilities be established which does not explicitly recognise, not only numerical bases of the science also those universal laws of thought which are the basis of all reasoning whatever they may be as to their essence, are at least mathematical as to their form https://en.wikipe...ge_Boole
HealthyFlower
1 / 5 (4) Sep 01, 2018
Discourse is the grace by which we are enlivened too God. Fear has led to Physics which has led to Faith. My discourse to you is more a digital dictation. The particle may appear. The essence of the particle having 10 detectable fields around the essence, all shaped like a pear, because we are in motion. Perfectly circular when absolutely still, they appear as well, as one unified field of dark blue, similar to deep black but light not void. My direction to you is to measure the theoretical liturgical recovery period, I estimate the half-life of the decay at 230 million years? Am I close, give or take 500 million years? LOL. But seriously, develop the atomic temporal liturgical theory for the full recovery of a Higgs Boson and forward to Ottawa, Canada. Thank-you. MP. We will take it from there.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Sep 02, 2018
George Boole
Hyperfuzzy> Universe of Discourse

Born in November 1815 – 8 December 1864 was a self-taught English mathematician philosopher and logician as the first professor of mathematics at Queens College, Cork in Ireland worked in the fields of differential equations and algebraic logic is best known as the author of The Laws of Thought (1854) which contains Boolean algebra. Boolean logic is credited with laying the foundations for the information age. George Boole maintained no general method for the solution of questions in the theory of probabilities be established which does not explicitly recognise, not only numerical bases of the science also those universal laws of thought which are the basis of all reasoning whatever they may be as to their essence, are at least mathematical as to their form https://en.wikipe...ge_Boole
says granville

So that's the man who is indirectly responsible for our Search engines? I'm overwhelmed.
Ojorf
3 / 5 (6) Sep 02, 2018
The particle may appear. The essence of the particle having 10 detectable fields around the essence, all shaped like a pear, because we are in motion. Perfectly circular when absolutely still, they appear as well, as one unified field of dark blue, similar to deep black but light not void.


Welcome new poster!

You are gonna fit right in.
granville583762
3 / 5 (6) Sep 02, 2018
George Boole and the Internet and The Laws of Thought in the demons of the mind
Hyperfuzzy> Universe of Discourse

George Boole is best known as the author of The Laws of Thought (1854) which contains Boolean algebra. Boolean logic is credited with laying the foundations for the information age.

SEU> So that's the man who is indirectly responsible for our Search engines? I'm overwhelmed.

SEU:- RealityCheck could well do with perusing in your observation that George Boole is responsible for RealityCheck's demons of the mind SEU, George Boole specialised more than anyone who haunts phys.org in the demons of the mind as his logic translated into this web of some our best minds come with a health warning have Self-referent thinking of high self-esteem, because George Boole is indirectly responsible for our Search engines without which these strange people on Physorg would be lost and completely toothless
granville583762
3 / 5 (6) Sep 02, 2018
Slow of the mark
The particle may appear. The essence of the particle having 10 detectable fields around the essence, all shaped like a pear… light not void.

Ojorf> Welcome new poster!
You are gonna fit right in.

You're a bit late Ojorf, JD was informed yesterday he has a new customer!
granville583762
3 / 5 (6) Sep 02, 2018
Some of our best minds come with a health warning have Self-referent thinking of high self-esteem
SEU> I have warned my Mum about the strange people on physorg.

Hyperfuzzy> Your statement is self-referent!

Self-referent - referring back to itself - a specific meaning for the self
Hyperfuzzy:- you never fail to excel yourself in your Self-referent thinking, you're always thinking of yourself and how you can increase you're referential thoughts so they reflect you're high self-esteem while blaming others for your problems by manipulation of discourse to increase you're high self-esteem referential thoughts blaming and Obfuscation of thought after copious quasi neutrality of texturally of exasperation you finally increase your Self-referent thinking, by apparently originally negating a theory of contention while agreeing all along, that in the end, you end up right all along, proving your Self-referent thinking of high self-esteem!
granville583762
3 / 5 (6) Sep 02, 2018
Proving your Self-referent thinking of high self-esteem

Ojorf, it's time to give it a rest and try a new approach, one that does not lead down the inevitable path as Hyperfuzzy has raised the subject of Self-referent thinking; this is inevitably leading down the path of righteousness which leads to apposing extremes of thought or whose right and whose wrong.

Ojorf, as an example the basis of your comment is HealthyFlower is wrong and Ojorf is right proving Ojorf, your Self-referent thinking of high self-esteem!
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (3) Sep 02, 2018
Some of our best minds come with a health warning
SEU> I have warned my Mum about the strange people on physorg, so she has no intention of commenting in this site, but only to read the science articles

These strange people on phys.org are some of our best minds, it's right amusing they come with health warning, I was never warned, only learning the hard way – in fact these strange people weren't warned beforehand that I was learning the hard way – they needed warning more than I did as they've suffered terribly for their sins, the little darlings have turned to religion to retain their sanity, the little they had to begin with.

Start with the Universe of Discourse described as the Formal Logic. Betcha can't find nun. Search the last 4000 years. Your statement is self-referent!

State Premise and Conclusion! Mine: Charge Exists; therefore any particle or force is derivative.
savvys84
1 / 5 (3) Sep 04, 2018
key words - upgrade of the LHC
go figure
antialias_physorg
3.9 / 5 (7) Sep 04, 2018
How many b-quark events were actually collected?

The total number isn't really important. What's important is how many standard deviations the result is from the 'background only' hypothesis (they cross the 5 sigma threshold which is generally accepted as a limit for claiming a discovery) .
From the linked arxiv paper I get that they employ a pretty stringent weeding out of events that could be something else.

Discourse is the grace by which we are enlivened too God....

Now there's an insta-ignore if ever I saw one.
If you want the total number go to Figure 1. Even though it's binned by signal/noise the total number of events is somewhere around 100k.

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