Wooden Shigir idol found to be over twice as old as Egyptian pyramids

April 27, 2018 by Bob Yirka, Phys.org report
Credit: Antiquity (2018). DOI: 10.15184/aqy.2018.48

A team of researchers in Germany has found evidence suggesting that the famous wooden Shirgir Idol is actually 11,500 years old. The team has documented their efforts and findings in a paper published on the Cambridge University Press site Antiquity.

The Shigir Idol was discovered in an ancient peat bog by miners in Russia back in 1890. Early analysis showed that it was made entirely of larch wood and was constructed from several chunks. It remained preserved for thousands of years because of found in the peat. The idol was also covered extensively with markings, some of which depicted tiny human faces. To this day, no one knows what most of the markings depict. It was also noted that some of the original pieces of the idol had been lost—it is believed that it originally stood approximately five meters tall. In 1997, a team in Russia used radiocarbon dating to estimate the age of the icon and found it to be approximately 9,500 years old.

Experts have studied the carvings on the idol over the years, and many have suggested they likely represent a form of art, possibly linked with spiritual or religious activities.

Recently, the team in Germany expressed interest it taking a closer look at the idol, which is normally housed in the Sverdlovsk Regional Museum, in Russia. Arrangements were made for the idol to be shipped to Germany, where it was studied, along with other original material found in the peat bog. Using , the team found the true age of the idol to be approximately 11,500 years old, placing its creation at around the time of the end of the Ice Age. That age also makes it the oldest known wood monumental sculpture ever found and more than twice the age of the Egyptian pyramids. The researchers report that they also found another face carved into the , bringing the total to eight. Their findings suggest that researchers looking to better understand very early human behavior perhaps need to widen their search beyond the Fertile Crescent.

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More information: Mikhail Zhilin et al. Early art in the Urals: new research on the wooden sculpture from Shigir, Antiquity (2018). DOI: 10.15184/aqy.2018.48

Abstract
The carved wooden object uncovered from the Shigir peat bog in the Sverdlovsk region towards the end of the nineteenth century remains one of the oldest, known examples of monumental anthropomorphic sculpture from anywhere in the world. Recent application of new analytical techniques has led to the discovery of new imagery on its surface, and has pushed the date of the piece back to the earliest Holocene. The results of these recent analyses are placed here in the context of local and extra-local traditions of comparable prehistoric art. This discussion highlights the unique nature of the find and its significance for appreciating the complex symbolic world of Early Holocene hunter-gatherers.

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KelDude
4.4 / 5 (11) Apr 27, 2018
Hmm. Check the estimated age of this 5 meter tall thing. 11,500 years approximately. Interesting. The North American natives arrived here just after the last ice age around 11,500 years ago as well. These natives along the west coast of North America are well know as creators of the iconic Totem Pole. Just thinking out loud here, but perhaps these folks in Russia that built these Totem Pole precursors are their forefathers.
M_Oculus
1 / 5 (7) Apr 27, 2018
Amazing similarities to Dogon art as well. The long totemic Shirgir head with tell-tale scratches seems a spitting Jungian trans-conscious copy of the heads produced in Gabon and other African countries up to a couple hundred years ago. There is something spooky in the air, possibly pointing to incidental evidence for the existence of midiclorian-like bodies.
crhylove
1.3 / 5 (12) Apr 27, 2018
Ummmm. No. The pyramids are far older than 5,000 years old. We actually don't have any clear idea of how old they are. However, we DO know the sphinx is probably at LEAST 12,000 years old, and likely much older.
lococol
1.4 / 5 (9) Apr 28, 2018
We actually have no idea how old the pyramids are, we do however know that the ancient Egyptians knew about the precession of the equinox. This is something that happens over 25,772 years and would have required a lot of astronomy and writing over a very long time to work out.
JongDan
5 / 5 (7) Apr 28, 2018
Umm, no. We know exactly which Pharaohs ordered which pyramids to be built, and C-14 dating of samples agrees with the chronology. The astrological dating, which assumes that pyramids were intended to line up with a specific line of stars (Kochab, Mizar, north pole) and using known rate of precession also agrees with that. Dating would be 2500BC, give or take 100 years.
arcmetal
1.6 / 5 (8) Apr 28, 2018
Umm, no. We know exactly which Pharaohs ordered which pyramids to be built, and C-14 dating of samples agrees with the chronology. The astrological dating, which assumes that pyramids were intended to line up with a specific line of stars (Kochab, Mizar, north pole) and using known rate of precession also agrees with that. Dating would be 2500BC, give or take 100 years.

I guess I can run inside of the Washington monument, graffiti "Trump's" name on some inside wall, then in a thousand years from now someone finds and declares that Trump built the Washington monument.
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.8 / 5 (4) Apr 29, 2018
I haven't read the paper, but they really had to work to get the dating - confirmed by an antler found at the site - due to added preservatives [ http://www.scienc...d-demons ]
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
5 / 5 (3) Apr 29, 2018
Hmm. Check the estimated age of this 5 meter tall thing. 11,500 years approximately. Interesting. The North American natives arrived here just after the last ice age around 11,500 years ago as well. These natives along the west coast of North America are well know as creators of the iconic Totem Pole. Just thinking out loud here, but perhaps these folks in Russia that built these Totem Pole precursors are their forefathers.


Good thinking! " The most similar finds from that time are those at Göbekli, more than 2500 kilometers away, where hunter-gatherers gathered for rituals and carved similar stylized animals on stone pillars more than 5 meters high.

Terberger [co-author] sees a more recent parallel: the totem poles of the Pacific Northwest, meant to honor gods or venerate ancestors."

http://www.scienc...d-demons
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.8 / 5 (5) Apr 29, 2018
We actually have no idea how old the pyramids are, we do however know that the ancient Egyptians knew about the precession of the equinox. This is something that happens over 25,772 years and would have required a lot of astronomy and writing over a very long time to work out.


? We all know now exactly when the first Egyptian pyramid was built: "The earliest known Egyptian pyramids are found at Saqqara, northwest of Memphis. The earliest among these is the Pyramid of Djoser (constructed 2630 BC–2611 BC) which was built during the third dynasty. This pyramid and its surrounding complex were designed by the architect Imhotep, and are generally considered to be the world's oldest monumental structures constructed of dressed masonry.[6]" [ https://en.wikipe...pyramids ]
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
5 / 5 (4) Apr 29, 2018
[ctd]

Sphinxes is an older subject since they seem to have been found in the larger area, starting at Gobekli Tepe dated to 11,500 years ago.

But the one referred here is constrained to a much younger age by a certain pharaoh:

"Although the date of its construction is uncertain, the head of the Great Sphinx now is believed to bear the likeness of the pharaoh Khafra."

[ https://en.wikipe...i/Sphinx ]

Just handwaving around erroneous claims of ignorance is not very helpful to us others, and feed conspiracy theories. Archaeologists have worked *very hard for a long time* to reliably date these cultural remains!

doogsnova
1 / 5 (4) Apr 29, 2018
False. The Egyptian pyramids are more than 73,000 years old.
This website is getting dangerously close to the tripe published by space dot com
https://billymeie...yramids/
Scolar_Visari
4.5 / 5 (8) Apr 29, 2018
A blog whose articles consist of entries titled, "E.T. proof of Isreali war crimes in 2006" and "9 Yes Nine types of Identified E.T. craft" does not constitute a reliable source, and alleged telepathic communications do not constitute evidence for anything other than your gullibility.

EnricM
not rated yet Apr 30, 2018
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Terberger [co-author] sees a more recent parallel: the totem poles of the Pacific Northwest, meant to honor gods or venerate ancestors."


I was thinking on a potlatch pole. These were erected to announce or commemorate restribution feasts, a quite important cultural (and religious) activity (BTW, most of these "totem" poles were actually Potlatch poles):
https://en.wikipe...Potlatch
Mastoras
not rated yet May 01, 2018
At the news, some time ago: At about 20000 BC a group, including seven women, were able to come from Asia to Alaska, because at the time the ocean was frozen. They couldn't move further south because the land was still covered by ice. But they managed to survive there, because of the ocean current encircling the Pacific from the west, outside Japan. This current was transferring warm water to the coast of Alaska.

At about 13500 BC (or was it 11000 BC?) the climate gradually became warmer, and they managed to move further to the south.

So, could this pole erecting culture to have emerged with the ancestors of the first group that crossed over to Alaska, and then it was brought further down south? This will have meant that this culture survived from 20000 BC down to a few centuries ago. No problem with the time scale. But..., you need wood to erect a wooden pole!! Was there any large trees at the coast of Alaska back then? My guess, hopefully educated, is that there were none.
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Alenano
1 / 5 (1) May 30, 2018
Umm, no. We know exactly which Pharaohs ordered which pyramids to be built, and C-14 dating of samples agrees with the chronology. The astrological dating, which assumes that pyramids were intended to line up with a specific line of stars (Kochab, Mizar, north pole) and using known rate of precession also agrees with that. Dating would be 2500BC, give or take 100 years.

I guess I can run inside of the Washington monument, graffiti "Trump's" name on some inside wall, then in a thousand years from now someone finds and declares that Trump built the Washington monument.


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