What would happen if the Earth were actually flat?

January 24, 2018 by Doug Main, American Geophysical Union
If Earth were flat, you’d know it, because a lot of things would work differently. Credit: Pexels

Welcome to the new year, 2018. The Earth has yet again made a revolution about the sun. But not so fast. If you subscribe to the idea of a flat Earth, then you'd believe that no such thing happened, because the sun rotates in a circle around the sky.

Humans have known for thousands of years that the planet is round, yet the belief in a flat Earth refuses to die. Members of the Flat Earth Society and several celebrities, including Atlanta rapper B.o.B and NBA player Kyrie Irving, claim to hold such beliefs. Let's examine, then, how the well-known principles of physics and science would work (or not) on a flat Earth.

Gravity Fails

First of all, a pancaked planet might not have any . It's unclear how gravity would work, or be created, in such a world, says James Davis, a geophysicist at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. That's a pretty big deal, since gravity explains a wide range of Earthly and cosmic observations. The same measurable force that causes an apple to fall from a tree also causes the moon to orbit the Earth and all the to orbit the sun.

People who believe in a flat Earth assume that gravity would pull straight down, but there's no evidence to suggest it would work that way. What we know about gravity suggests it would pull toward the center of the disk. That means it would only pull straight down at one point on the center of the disk. As you got increasingly far from the center, gravity would tug more and more horizontally. This would have some strange impacts, like sucking all the water toward the center of the world, and making trees and plants grow diagonally, since they develop in the opposite direction of gravity's pull.

Solar Problems

Then there's the sun. In the scientifically supported model of the solar system, the Earth revolves around the sun because the latter is much more massive and has more gravity. However, the Earth doesn't fall into the sun because it is traveling in an orbit. In other words, the sun's gravity isn't acting alone. The planet is also traveling in a direction perpendicular to the star's gravitational tug; if it were possible to switch off that gravity, the Earth would shoot away in a straight line and hightail it out of the solar system. Instead, the linear momentum and the sun's gravity combine, resulting in a circular orbit around the sun.

The flat Earth model places our planet at the center of the universe, but doesn't suggest that the sun orbits the Earth. Rather, the sun circles over the top side of the world like a carousel, broadcasting light and warmth downward like a desk lamp. Without the linear, perpendicular momentum that helps generate an orbit, it's unclear what force would keep the sun and moon hovering above the Earth, Davis says, instead of crashing into it.

Likewise, in a flat world, satellites likely wouldn't be possible. How would they orbit a plane? "There are a number of satellite missions that society depends on that just wouldn't work," Davis says. For this reason, he says, "I cannot think of how GPS would work on a flat Earth."

How some Flat Earthers map out the planet. The Arctic is at the center, and an “ice wall” around the edges supposedly prevents people from falling off. Credit: Wiki Commons

If the sun and moon just loop around one side of a flat Earth, there could presumably be a procession of days and nights. But it wouldn't explain seasons, eclipses and many other phenomena. The sun would also presumably have to be smaller than Earth so as to not burn up or bump into our planet or the moon. However, we know the sun to be more than 100 times the diameter of the Earth.

Removing Heaven and Earth

Deep below ground, the solid core of the Earth generates the planet's . But in a flat planet, that would have to be replaced by something else. Perhaps a flat sheet of liquid metal. That, however, wouldn't rotate in a way that creates a magnetic field. Without a magnetic field, charged particles from the sun would fry the planet. They could strip away the atmosphere, as they did after Mars lost its magnetic field, and the air and oceans would escape into space.

Tectonic plate movement and seismicity depend on a round Earth, because only on a sphere do all the plates fit together in a sensible way, Davis says. Movements of plates on one side of the Earth effect movements on the other. The areas of the Earth that create crust, like the mid-Atlantic ridge, are counterbalanced by places that consume crust, like subduction zones. On a flat Earth, none of this could be adequately explained. There'd also have to be an explanation for what happens to plates at the edge of the world. One could imagine they might fall off, but that would presumably jeopardize the proposed wall that prevents people from falling off the disk-shaped world.

Perhaps one of the most glaring oddities is that the proposed map of the flat Earth is totally different. It places the Arctic at the center while Antarctica forms an "ice wall" around the edges. In such a world, travel would look very different. Flying from Australia to certain parts of Antarctica would, for example, take forever—you'd have to travel over the Arctic and both Americas to get there. In addition, certain real-world feats, such as traveling across Antarctica (which has been done many times), would be impossible.

Falling Flat

Contrary to popular belief, it's a misconception that many societies of serious, educated people ever actually believed in the flat Earth theory. "With extraordinary few exceptions, no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat," historian Jeffrey Burton Russell noted in 1997. "A round Earth appears at least as early as the sixth century B.C. with Pythagoras, who was followed by Aristotle, Euclid, and Aristarchus, among others in observing that the was a sphere."

As the scientist and writer Stephen Jay Gould once wrote, the idea that many people—including the Spaniards and Christopher Columbus—believed the Earth to be flat was largely concocted by 19th century writers such as Washington Irving, Jean Letronne and others. Letronne was "an academic of strong anti-religious prejudices… who cleverly drew upon both to misrepresent the church fathers and their medieval successors as believing in a ," Russell noted.

In any case, while it's fun to imagine counterfactual scenarios, science proceeds by coming up with theories to explain observations. When it comes to these theories, the simpler, the better, Davis says. The flat Earth idea, however, clearly begins with the idea that the planet is planar, and then attempts to twist other observations to its benefit. You can find odd explanations for individual phenomena under this framework, says Davis, but "it falls apart pretty quickly."

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Anonym607451
1.2 / 5 (20) Jan 24, 2018
It's a strange declaration to make that "with rare exception no seriously educated person believed the earth is flat" . Of course this is not true, as there are MILLIONS of people alive right now who have been educated, yes seriously, and also seriously realize the Globe model is flawed -- and through many months of research have come to recognize that a flat Earth is a more scientifically supported model.

This article is full of silly misleading claims about what flat earth theory suggests. If you want to be scientific about this question -- research for yourself what is being said on all sides of the debate.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (10) Jan 24, 2018
Tell me please, how did the Earth remain 'flat' while other planets etc appear spherical?
antialias_physorg
4.8 / 5 (19) Jan 24, 2018
It's a strange declaration to make that "with rare exception no seriously educated person believed the earth is flat" . Of course this is not true, as there are MILLIONS of people alive right now who have been educated, yes seriously, and also seriously realize the Globe model is flawed -- and through many months of research have come to recognize that a flat Earth is a more scientifically supported model.

I'm pretty sure the word 'educated' doesn't mean what you think it means.
leetennant
5 / 5 (14) Jan 24, 2018
It's a strange declaration to make that "with rare exception no seriously educated person believed the earth is flat" . Of course this is not true, as there are MILLIONS of people alive right now who have been educated, yes seriously, and also seriously realize the Globe model is flawed -- and through many months of research have come to recognize that a flat Earth is a more scientifically supported model.

This article is full of silly misleading claims about what flat earth theory suggests. If you want to be scientific about this question -- research for yourself what is being said on all sides of the debate.


I'm pretty sure we all know what is "being said on your side of the debate" is that the Earth is flat. Have you never been in a plane? That's all you need.
Nassim
1.4 / 5 (18) Jan 25, 2018
NIKOLA TESLA: "Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environment. Earth is also a machine, it is a Tesla coil. The sun and moon are powered wirelessly with the electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electo-magnetic levitation. Electromag levitation disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force, not gravity. The stars are attached to the FIRMAMENT."

~ Nikola Tesla.
antialias_physorg
4.8 / 5 (18) Jan 25, 2018
NIKOLA TESLA: "Earth is a realm, it is not a planet...

Erm..that is not a quote by Nikola Tesla (yeah, cranks like to attribute false quotes to long-dead famous people - first sign you're dealing with cranks, that....even if it weren't just an argument-from-authority fallacy in the first place)

If you look at drawings made by Tesla (e.g. about his wireless transmission of electricity) then he most definitely drew a globe - not a flat Earth.
(Note that he also uses the word 'globe' in the description of his image. That's a pretty good giveaway that he wasn't a flat earther)

https://commons.w...1919.png

Nassim
1.5 / 5 (16) Jan 25, 2018
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_wireless_power_theory_-_Electrical_Experimenter_Feb_1919.png


thank you
I thought that Tesla discovered before his death that the earth is finally flat, but it does not matter to him.
For the form of the earth, it is the arguments that mount it, not the people.
For me, the earth is flat!
Do not believe what I say but research about
antialias_physorg
4.7 / 5 (14) Jan 25, 2018
Do not believe what I say

Done.
antialias_physorg
4.7 / 5 (14) Jan 25, 2018
Here's a proof that the Earth isn't flat that does not rely on physisc. It does not even rely on any kind of experiment. It simply relies on accepting one fact: that businesses want to be as prrofitable as possible - a "proof by greed" if you so will.

Posit: airplanes exist
Posit: airlines exist
Posit: There exist flights from Europe to the US
Posit: There exist flight from the US to Asia
Posit: There exits flights from Asia to Europe
Posit: Airlines want to be profitable

Assumption: Airlines will choose the shortest fligh routes (taking into account wind benefits) between destinations
By this it follows: : If the Earth is flat then all flights would cross the north pole

Observation: They don't.

You can test this yourself by hopping on plane. Even if you ignore the quite visible curvature of the Earth from a plane you will notice the distinct lack of arctic overflight (also notable on any map of air travel routes)
Whydening Gyre
4.9 / 5 (11) Jan 25, 2018
Sheesh. I can't believe this might even be an issue in this day and age. Travel due east at 1000 mph for 24 hours...
At the very least you'd have to admit the Earth is a cylinder...:-)
Mimath224
5 / 5 (6) Jan 25, 2018
@Whydening Gyre, Uh uh now, be careful eh? Don't want to feed Nassim. a cylinder is a rolled flat sheet.
Nassim
1.7 / 5 (11) Jan 26, 2018
@antialias_physorg, @Mimath224, @Whydening Gyre
contact me at idir.nassim "at" gmail "dot" com
Nassim
1.7 / 5 (12) Jan 26, 2018
Travelers from history used the north star to know the northbound direction, then the rest of the direction is easy to guess.
Today, people have discovered the compass, which also points to the north.
a trip with a compass is done in a circle around the north pole, not on a straight line.

http://i.imgur.com/kOINjAO.jpg

The star, the sun, the moon and the travelers (using the compass or the star of the north) turns around the north pole!

Airlines will choose the shortest fligh routes (taking into account wind benefits) between destinations


For the commercial trip, it is necessary to prove the existance of travel on the south pole, to pass from Chile to Australia for example.

https://aplanetru...-page-1/

Good reads:
https://flatearth...-proofs/
antialias_physorg
4.6 / 5 (10) Jan 26, 2018
None of your post adresses the point that the shortest route would be a direct overflight of the north pole.

So either every company on the planet is stupid (and you could make a killing by starting up an airline and putting them all out of business by offering super cheap and fast travel) or you are stupid.

Guess which.
Nassim
2 / 5 (12) Jan 26, 2018
@antialias_physorg
Sir Intelligence
There are flights that do not necessarily pass via the North Pole, for example from Auckland to Santiago, you just have to go to the border of North America.
look at the map of the flat earth.
But if the earth was a ball, why does not the plane go directly via the south pole? Or is it just because airlines love to waste kerosene ?

Guess which.


http://www.devtom...ac:2.jpg
Nassim
1.8 / 5 (10) Jan 26, 2018
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

— Mark Twain

The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

— Wayne Dyer
antialias_physorg
4.6 / 5 (11) Jan 26, 2018
Here's a map of flight routes.
https://www.inver...einhardt

Just go get on a plane. You do agree that planes exist? In the time it took you to post your comments you could have done 5 experiments to prove to yourself that the Earth is not flat. Heck, something as simple as opening your smartphone and reading the GPS coordinates suffices (which wouldn't work at all if the earth were flat). You don't even need to leave your armchair for that.

Since you like quotes so much here's one for you:
The mental horizon of many people is a circle with zero radius. Which they call their standpoint
-- David Hilbert

(Es gibt viele Leute mit einem geistigen Horizont vom Radius Null. Den nennen sie dann ihren Standpunkt.)


Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (5) Jan 26, 2018
...
There are flights that do not necessarily pass via the North Pole, for example from Auckland to Santiago, you just have to go to the border of North America.
look at the map of the flat earth.

Er..
That's "look at the [flat] map of the [round] Earth...
Nassim
2.1 / 5 (11) Jan 26, 2018
which wouldn't work at all if the earth were flat.

the GPS system does not work if the earth is flate?, why?
do you think geo-location did not exist before satellite balloons?
Since 1940, there was the LORAN A, LORAN C system in 1957 and SatNav in 1959.
Do you know that there are places on earth that are not covered by GPS? you do not know that the ostral ocean and the south Atlantic are almost non covered.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (7) Jan 26, 2018
@Nassim
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

— Mark Twain
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

— Wayne Dyer

This goes two ways and could just as well apply to you as anyone else and in this case it does apply to you. Go and study basic physics and do experiments YOURSELF. Then tell me why I can't talk to my daughter, who is another country and fast asleep in the dark, when it is still daylight where I am. Does someone switch off the Sun there? Do they put up a massive Sun shade to fool us? You are the one being fooled because that massive Sun shade is simply the result of Earth's curvature and rotation.
antialias_physorg
4.6 / 5 (9) Jan 26, 2018
the GPS system does not work if the earth is flate?, why?

Because it would give you *very* different coordinates when you get further south. The flat earth doesn't have a local south pole, remember? And yes: the south pole is covered by GPS (not as regularly as other places but there is covereage everywhere every day.
(Aren't you also worried that satellite photos show a view *completely* incompatible with a flat Earth? Or that all people who actually launch satellites use calculations for globes instead of a flat Earth - and that it always works for them?)
zz5555
5 / 5 (6) Jan 26, 2018
Aren't you also worried that satellite photos show a view *completely* incompatible with a flat Earth?

You have to remember that Nassim et al think that there's a conspiracy to convince people that the world is round because reasons. Didn't you read his screed about how gravity is a hoax?

So he believes that everyone who's ever worked for a space agency is in on the conspiracy. Additional members: satellite and missile/rocket engineers, pilots and their flight crews (they can see the curvature of the earth), any physics student ever (we measured G in labs so we must be in on the hoax), aeronautical engineers (since they design planes with gravity in mind), anyone who's traveled north of the arctic circle (some days have no sun because of the earth's curvature), anyone who's traveled to another time zone or knows someone in another time zone, etc.

Millions of people and we all keep the conspiracy a secret. ;)
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 27, 2018
@Mimath224
I confirm that
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
and
The highest form oignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

You Said
... because that massive Sun shade is simply the result of Earth's curvature and rotation.

It proves that you have not yet understood the model of the flat earth! because you have not taken the subject seriously ! But that's normal, I too mocked platters, and I thought he was defeating a religion not a science

1/Night and Day in the Flat Earth model https://www.youtu...hsKAR6OY
2/sunrise and sunset https://www.youtu...cFTQg7NE
https://www.youtu...rpPgpcZE
3/10 problems with the globe, flat earth proof! https://www.youtu...GXkqp2QY
For my knowledge of basic physics, I am a computer scientist (Engineer), I did exact sciences (maths and physics) in high school.
Nassim
2.2 / 5 (10) Jan 27, 2018
@antialias_physorg

Because it would give you *very* different coordinates when you get further south


Because the distances in the southern part of the earth is the difference between the model of the flat earth and the globe.

the circles of latitudes south of the equator in the flat earth model are wider than the equator I reach until reaching the ice wall (your south pole).

So the distances in the southern part are larger than in the maps based on the model of the globe.
Which explains the observations of former sailors as Captain James Clark, ho during he journeyed around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal
perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12 - 16 miles outside their reckoning every day, later on south as much as 29 miles.
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 27, 2018
@antialias_physorg

Because it would give you *very* different coordinates when you get further south


Lieutenant Charles Wilkes commanded a United States Navy exploration expedition to the Antarctic from 1838 to 1842, and in his journals also mentioned being consistent ly east of his reckoning, sometimes over 20 miles in less than 18 hours.
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 27, 2018
To quote Reverend Thomas Milner,
In the southern
hemisphere, navigators to India have often fancied themselves east of the Cape when still west, and have been driven ashore on the African coast, which, according to their reckoning, lay behind them. This misfortune happened to a fine frigate, the Challenger, in 1845. How came Her Majesty's Ship 'Conqueror,' to be lost? How have so many other noble vessels, perfectly sound, perfectly manned, perfectly navigated, been wrecked in calm weather, not only in dark night, or in a fog, but in broad daylight and sunshine - in the former case upon the coasts, in the latter, upon
sunken rocks -from being 'out of reckoning?'


The simple answer is that Earth is not a ball !
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 27, 2018
In the ball-Earth model Antarctica is an ice continent which covers the bottom of the ball from 78 degrees South latitude to 90 and is therefore not more than 12,000 miles in circumference. Many early explorers including Captian Cook and James Clark Ross, however, in attempting Antarctic circumnavigation took 3 to 4 years and clocked 50-60,000 miles around. The British ship Challenger also made an indirect but complete circumnavigation of Antarctica traversing 69,000 miles. This is entirely inconsistent with the ball model.
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 27, 2018
If Earth were a spinning ball heated by a Sun 93 million miles away, it would be impossible to have simultaneously sweltering summers in Africa while just a few thousand miles away bone-chilling frozen Arctic/Antarctic winters experiencing little to no heat from the Sun whatsoever. If the heat from the Sun traveled 93,000,000 miles to the Sahara desert, it is absurd to assert that another 4,000 miles (0.00004%) further to Antarctica would completely negate such sweltering heat resulting in such drastic differences.
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 27, 2018
@antialias_physorg @Mimath224 @zz5555

At places of comparable latitude North and South, the Sun behaves very differently than it would on a spinning ball Earth but precisely how it should on a flat Earth. For example, the longest summer days North of the equator are much longer than those South of the equator, and the shortest winter days North of the equator are much shorter than the shortest South of the equator. This is inexplicable on a uniformly spinning, wobbling ball Earth but fits exactly on the flat model with the Sun traveling circles over and around the Earth from Tropic to Tropic


Do your researches and compare
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 27, 2018
@antialias_physorg @Mimath224 @zz5555

The Royal Belgian Geographical Society in their "Expedition Antarctique Belge," recorded that during the most severe part of the Antarctic winter, from 71 degrees South latitude onwards, the sun sets on May 17th and is not seen above the horizon again until July 21st! This is completely at odds with the ball-Earth theory, but easily explained by the flat-Earth model. The Midnight Sun is seen from high altitudes in extreme Northern latitudes during Arctic summer because the Sun, at its inner-most cycle, is circling tightly enough around the polar center that it remains visible above the horizon for someone at such a vantage point. Likewise, in extreme Southern latitudes during Arctic summer, the Sun completely disappears from view for over 2 months because there at the Northern Tropic, at the inner-most arc of its boomerang journey, the Sun is circling the Northern center too tightly to be seen from the Southern circumference.
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 27, 2018
Why the sun don't fall under the horizon at the same size at midday if the earth is revolving around itself ?
Why does the sun grow smaller at sunset? Do not diverge according to the principle of perspective?
https://www.youtu...aTMXDsyo
Anonym326305
2.6 / 5 (5) Jan 28, 2018
I think the author's first mistake was not actually researching what flat-earthers are claiming because flat-earthers have already established how the Sun, gravity, flight paths and rotation are affected amongst many more inconsistencies.
The authors second mistake is stating, 'well he says the earth is spherical and he's smart'. That doesn't prove anything.
I plan on solving it for myself by using 2 tools; trigonometry and my eyeballs.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (5) Jan 28, 2018
I think the author's first mistake was not actually researching what flat-earthers are claiming because flat-earthers have already established how the Sun, gravity, flight paths and rotation are affected amongst many more inconsistencies.
The authors second mistake is stating, 'well he says the earth is spherical and he's smart'. That doesn't prove anything.
I plan on solving it for myself by using 2 tools; trigonometry and my eyeballs.

Technically, that's 3 tools...:-)
And ya aren't even including using the computer between yer ears...:-)
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 28, 2018
@Whydening Gyre

The distances in the southern part of the earth is the difference between the model of the flat earth and the globe.

the circles of latitudes south of the equator in the flat earth model are wider than the equator I reach until reaching the ice wall (your south pole).

So the distances in the southern part are larger than in the maps based on the model of the globe.
Which explains the observations of former sailors as Captain James Clark, ho during he journeyed around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal
perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12 - 16 miles outside their reckoning every day, later on south as much as 29 miles.

Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (7) Jan 28, 2018
@Whydening Gyre

The distances in the southern part of the earth is the difference between the model of the flat earth and the globe.

the circles of latitudes south of the equator in the flat earth model are wider than the equator I reach until reaching the ice wall (your south pole).

So the distances in the southern part are larger than in the maps based on the model of the globe.
Which explains the observations of former sailors as Captain James Clark, ho during he journeyed around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal
perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12 - 16 miles outside their reckoning every day, later on south as much as 29 miles.


They just couldn't see the North Star? Sailors don't seem to have that chart prob NOW...
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (9) Jan 28, 2018
Why the sun don't fall under the horizon at the same size at midday if the earth is revolving around itself ?

Why the hell WOULD it?
Why does the sun grow smaller at sunset? Do not diverge according to the principle of perspective?

Uh... Atmosphere...?
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 28, 2018
@Whydening Gyre
They just couldn't see the North Star?

but why, James Clark Ross did not raise this problem during these trips in the arctic? but only in Antarctica?

Sailors don't seem to have that chart prob NOW...

But why too GPS would give you *very* different coordinates when you get further south ?
or it is absent outright in many places even on north ?
Video 1: https://www.youtu...oaWph-nU
Video 2: https://www.youtu...V_04rSxM
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 28, 2018
@Whydening Gyre
Uh... Atmosphere...?


Why does the sun grow smaller at sunset? Do not diverge according to the principle of perspective?

1/Sunrise and sunset
Video1: https://www.youtu...cFTQg7NE
Video2: https://www.youtu...rpPgpcZE
2/Night and Day in the Flat Earth model https://www.youtu...hsKAR6OY
3/ ten problems with the globe, flat earth proof! https://www.youtu...GXkqp2QY
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 28, 2018
@Whydening Gyre

Horizon & Perspective On Flat Earth

https://www.youtu...f-UpsTUc
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (7) Jan 28, 2018
"but why, James Clark Ross did not raise this problem during these trips in the arctic? but only in Antarctica?"

Cuz.... he couldn't triangulate off the North star...?

Nassim.
I don't think you really believe your silly fantasy. I believe your intention is merely to disrupt.
Please do not attempt to engage me again.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (9) Jan 28, 2018
@Nassim
@Mimath224
I confirm that
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
and
The highest form oignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

You Said
... because that massive Sun shade is simply the result of Earth's curvature and rotation.

Well if you and your flat Earth friends can't see the obvious fallacy in those UT videos you mentioned then either you need glasses or back to 1st grade school. I too have ideas that are not mainstream science but you are simply coming up with someone else's ideas which you obviously haven't researched.
"but why, James Clark Ross... these trips in the arctic? but only in Antarctica?"

Cuz.... he couldn't triangulate off the North star...?

Nassim.
I ....... I believe your intention is merely to disrupt.
Please do not attempt to engage me again.

Whydening Gyre is probably right in his comment.
yep
4.8 / 5 (6) Jan 29, 2018
In the northern hemisphere Stars rotate in a clockwise direction in the Southern hemisphere different Stars rotate in a counter clockwise direction.
Bam flat earth debunked.
It's all these assholes making money off of gullible people it's a bit like religion. Give people partial truth and they will give their lives to it.
"There's a sucker born every minute"
David Hannum
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 29, 2018
@yep
In the northern hemisphere Stars rotate in a clockwise direction in the Southern hemisphere different Stars rotate in a counter clockwise direction

this phenomenon is explained for flat earth for the north and the south.

But the earth turns on itself and at the same time around the sun with the other planets of our solar system, why then we always see these stars do the same trick every night? we should not see them change position and rotation?

as https://media3.gi...200w.gif
Nassim
2 / 5 (8) Jan 29, 2018
@yep
If it were a spherical land, the sun sunset in his full size but this does not happen
The sun gradually diminishes and then disappears behind the horizon

can you explain this ?
The sun gets smaller as it moves away from us : https://www.youtu...UpNkHcAM
IwinUlose
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 29, 2018
@yep
If it were a spherical land, the sun sunset in his full size but this does not happen


Yeah on hazy mornings and evenings when its' edges can be seen it looks even bigger, just like the moon...

The sun gradually diminishes and then disappears behind the horizon

can you explain this ?
The sun gets smaller as it moves away from us :


Wait what?

(please link me more fun)
Nassim
2 / 5 (8) Jan 29, 2018
@yep @Whydening Gyre @Mimath224

a boat 15 meters high must disappear completely from view as soon as it moves more than 25 kms.

here are the measurements: http://dizzib.git...t=metric

where is the curvature?
https://www.vdyou...TTguKxnE
IwinUlose
3.7 / 5 (9) Jan 29, 2018
just sayin, www.vdyoutube.com looks like a pretty sketchy URL
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 29, 2018
@yep @Whydening Gyre @Mimath224

a boat 15 meters high must disappear completely from view as soon as it moves more than 25 kms.
here are the measurements: http://dizzib.git...t=metric


See also this: 17 miles curvature test from San Mateo Bridge to Bay Bridge

https://www.youtu...bEhkLt3U

http://dizzib.git...imperial
Nassim
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 29, 2018
just sayin, http://www.vdyoutube.com looks like a pretty sketchy URL


https://www.youtu...TTguKxnE

I do not have direct access to youtube, I use it as a solution.
I only add vd to the link to bypass
Thank you
Nassim
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 29, 2018
@IwinUlose
Yeah on hazy mornings and evenings when its' edges can be seen it looks even bigger, just like the moon


Because the atmosphere works like a magnifying glass, see this video: https://www.youtu...dZXlPZb8

IwinUlose
3.8 / 5 (10) Jan 29, 2018
And it works like a magnifying glass because...curvature! Have a good sir
Guy_Underbridge
5 / 5 (9) Jan 29, 2018
Where was this guy when I spent all that time learning about atmospheric refraction when studying to engineer microwave links?? I would have saved so much time!

Nothing would have worked, but it would have been a lot less math-intensive!
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (6) Jan 29, 2018
Near sunset, you can see the shadow of the Earth on the other side of the sky from the Sun. If you're in even a moderately high place you can see it's curved down at the ends; this is particularly obvious if you have a flat place to the West to look out over.

If you're sailing on a ship and another ship approaches yours, it appears to rise out of the sea, no matter what direction it comes from.

When you look at a lunar eclipse the shadow of the Earth is curved.

It has been known by anyone who cared to actually check that the Earth is a sphere since antiquity. And there have been cranks like @Nassim here who have denied it that long, too.

@Nassim, if you're going to deny evidence no one's going to believe you.

What an interesting psychological experiment this is to watch.
Nassim
2.5 / 5 (8) Jan 29, 2018
@Da Schneib

If you're sailing on a ship and another ship approaches yours, it appears to rise out of the sea, no matter what direction it comes from.


I already explained it by examples to see this video https://www.youtu...dZXlPZb8

but I'm asking you a simple question, why do we see boats at distances to which they must be below the horizon to hundreds of meters.

example (1): https://www.youtu...TTguKxnE

here is a web application on gitHub that allows you to check Target hidden height:
http://dizzib.git...t=metric

where is the curvature?

Guy_Underbridge
5 / 5 (7) Jan 29, 2018
but I'm asking you a simple question...
Ever try playing chess with a pigeon?
Nassim
2.7 / 5 (7) Jan 29, 2018
@Guy_Underbridge

Ever try playing chess with a pigeon?


Let's take the subject a little seriously, do not think you have the absolute truth.

Try to simulate the scenarios that I presented to you as:

Case 1) why do we see boats at distances to which they must be below the horizon to hundreds of meters.
https://www.youtu...TTguKxnE
You can check Target hidden height: http://dizzib.git...t=metric

where is the curvature?

Case 2) The size of the sun at sunset, if really, it's just the earth that makes a turn on itself, no change in the distance between the earth and the sun, why then it appears so small .--> it take the test on a westbound coast to have an unobstructed view for a hundred kms.

https://www.youtu...rpPgpcZE
https://www.youtu...vUgPRw98
https://www.youtu...z05IY-l0
Guy_Underbridge
5 / 5 (6) Jan 29, 2018
Let's take the subject a little seriously, do not think you have the absolute truth.
...it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory

Case 1) Elevation
Case 2) Atmospheric Refraction (not Atmoplanar Refraction)

Nassim
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 29, 2018
@Guy_Underbridge

Case 1) Elevation

have you tested this application http://dizzib.git...=metric?

the examples you have seen, are at defined heights, so this is not due to the elevation, see this image https://ibb.co/bJ45tm

the hidden height of the target varies according to its distance and the height of the eye.

Case 2) Atmospheric Refraction (not Atmoplanar Refraction)

from the definition of Atmospheric Refraction, it changes the direction of light and not the size, see https://en.wikipe...ion.svg,

So, the Atmospheric Refraction can not justify why the sun appears so small during the sunset in the videos mentioned.
antialias_physorg
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 29, 2018
Did we ever get an answer to why there are time zones on a flat Earth? Or why the north pole isn't the hottest place on Earth?

I mean: the path of the sun would be pretty wild if the Earth deserts were to get the most of it...That would make for some crazy paths of the sun accross the sky. Certainly not a "rise in the east and set in the west"
leetennant
5 / 5 (5) Jan 29, 2018
These are people who claim there is no gravity or oxygen. Why are you bothering?
SlartiBartfast
5 / 5 (5) Jan 29, 2018
Oh for crissakes. The sun appears the same size* at sunset as it does at midday. Any video purporting to show otherwise isn't using a filter, so its sensor is getting overwhelmed by glare. Seriously, just stop already.

*modulo a very very slight change to to the change in distance
Nassim
2 / 5 (8) Jan 29, 2018
@antialias_physorg
For time zones, it's pretty much the same thing, you have to focus at the beginning on the curvature, once you have come to know that finally the curvature does not exist, you can free yourself - with all my repects - of this dependence of NASA and understand the rest of the arguments of the flat earth (after checking them one after the other).
here is an example: https://www.youtu...xCg5XDuk

why the north pole isn't the hottest place on Earth?

because it is only during the summer solstice, that the sun is on the tropic closest to the north pole, in continuation, it moves towards the other tropics close to the equator until arriving, during the winter solstice to the tropics farther south, then moves north again through the equator, leaving the equator region is the hottest on earth.
see this: https://www.youtu..._PdZlSq8
Please read the proofs 126, 49, 55, 53 and 50 of the PDFbook: 200 proofs Earth is not a spinning ball
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 29, 2018
@leetennant

These are people who claim there is no gravity or oxygen. Why are you bothering?

No one can deny that objects fall down, but the problem how to explain it, there are researchers who find other ways, correct or wrong is another problem.
personally what is shared on the site of the association of flat earth on the dark energy that pushes up is false for many raions, but I find the most correct explanations are related to the magnitiquex fields, how? I do not know exactly, I think we can find the explanation in Tesla or in the Pharaohs cevilisation.

I add one thing, do not take any argument on the web about the flat earth and consider the reference to criticize, we must check each argument objectively.
SlartiBartfast
5 / 5 (7) Jan 29, 2018

I add one thing, do not take any argument on the web about the flat earth and consider the reference to criticize, we must check each argument objectively.



It's objectively horse shit.
Nassim
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 29, 2018
@SlartiBartfast

Oh for crissakes. The sun appears the same size* at sunset as it does at midday. Any video purporting to show otherwise isn't using a filter, so its sensor is getting overwhelmed by glare. Seriously, just stop already.
*modulo a very very slight change to to the change in distance


If you do not trust these videos, do the tests yourself, use a powerful camera like the nikon p900 to zoom in and follow the sunrise and sunset.

as you can, such a camera, do tests at the seaside, on visibility of less boats or islands and compare with the theoretical calculations of the earth ball via this website for example.http://dizzib.git...ve-calc/

https://www.youtu...bEhkLt3U
https://www.youtu...TTguKxnE

You will discover yourself that curvature does not exist.
SlartiBartfast
5 / 5 (7) Jan 29, 2018
@SlartiBartfast

Oh for crissakes. The sun appears the same size* at sunset as it does at midday. Any video purporting to show otherwise isn't using a filter, so its sensor is getting overwhelmed by glare. Seriously, just stop already.
*modulo a very very slight change to to the change in distance


If you do not trust these videos, do the tests yourself, use a powerful camera like the nikon p900 to zoom in and follow the sunrise and sunset.

as you can, such a camera, do tests at the seaside, on visibility of less boats or islands and compare with the theoretical calculations of the earth ball via this website for example.http://dizzib.git...ve-calc/

You will discover yourself that curvature does not exist.


Hello, McFly!
TrollBane
5 / 5 (4) Jan 29, 2018
In a perfect world, flat Earthers would actually have some kind of purpose tailored to their intellectual capabilities, like hominid-shape training equipment for karate classes. Alas, they probably wouldn't even do that well. How sad. :(
leetennant
5 / 5 (6) Jan 29, 2018
Get on plane
Look out window at curvature of Earth
Hear that people attending Flat Earth conference in US flew from Europe and Britain
Ponder the stupid that is human
yep
5 / 5 (5) Jan 29, 2018
Well Nassim that video clip did nothing to explain clockwise rotation in the Northern hemisphere or counterclockwise rotation in the Southern Hemisphere. I'm not sure why you think it would because on a flat earth north and South are on the same plain so the stars would rotate the same.
The sun does not change size. It's like looking at a street light when night falls the glare from the light increases and makes it look larger. Just like the sun if you had the proper shade to cut the glare you could see through the bullshit.
So far everything you have posted has an easy explanation or is misleading. Please spend the time to do your own research instead of belivieng these charlatans who are making money off views on their videos. After you do this I hope you will have as much zeal debunking this trash.
Thank you.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@yep,

Well Nassim that video clip did nothing to explain clockwise rotation in the Northern hemisphere or counterclockwise rotation in the Southern Hemisphere. I'm not sure why you think it would because on a flat earth north and South are on the same plain so the stars would rotate the same.
The sun does not change size. It's like looking at a street light when night falls the glare from the light increases and makes it look larger. Just like the sun if you had the proper shade to cut the glare you could see through the bullshit.
So far everything you have posted has an easy explanation or is misleading. Please spend the time to do your own research instead of belivieng these charlatans who are making money off views on their videos. After you do this I hope you will have as much zeal debunking this trash.
Thank you.

I intimated as much in my comment above but I think your efforts, as will others, will make little difference. Nassim is stuck in a rut.
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@TrollBane

In a perfect world, flat Earthers would actually have some kind of purpose tailored to their intellectual capabilities, like hominid-shape training equipment for karate classes. Alas, they probably wouldn't even do that well. How sad. :(


Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@leetennant
Look out window at curvature of Earth


I take the plane regularly, but I have not seen where is this curvature ?!

See this challenge: Pilot accepts Flat Earth visual curve challenge, and FAILS
https://www.youtu...f-zK3pno]https://www.youtu...f-zK3pno[/url]

The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos / videos.

The first proof of the book: 200 proofs earth is not a spinning ball

Read read also the 155th proof: https://savagepla...ubay.pdf
and watch this explanatory photo: https://www.youtu...O-YSrdBE

Show also this video: Proof of the Earth's Curvature
https://www.youtu...f-zK3pno]https://www.youtu...f-zK3pno[/url]

Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@leetennant
Get on plane ..Look out window at curvature of Earth


I take the plane regularly, but I have not seen where is this curvature !!

See this challenge: Pilot accepts Flat Earth visual curve challenge, and FAILS
http://www.youtub...f-zK3pno

Proof of the Earth's Curvature: https://www.youtu...tgKs5ASg
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@Mimath224
Nassim is stuck in a rut.


I hope you will have the chance to discover, that it's the opposite!
not to defend myself, but for your interest.

Do not believe yourself to have possessed the absolute truth, but please take the subject seriously and try to prove the existance of the curvature, or find the error in these experiences:

Do tests at the seaside, on the view of the earth or the earth by this website for example.http://dizzib.git...imperial

https://www.youtu...bEhkLt3U
http://www.youtub...TTguKxnE

You will discover yourself that curvature does not exist.

Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@ yep

Well Nassim that video clip did nothing to explain clockwise rotation in the Northern hemisphere or counterclockwise rotation in the Southern Hemisphere. I'm not sure why you think it would because on a flat earth north and South are on the same plain so the stars would rotate the same....
Thank you.


You deserve that I make more effort to prepare for you a good answer that will satisfy you, and will explain you well clockwise rotation in the Northern Hemisphere or counterclockwise rotation in the Southern Hemisphere, for the flat earth model.
Thank you.
antialias_physorg
4.2 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018

I take the plane regularly, but I have not seen where is this curvature !!

Everyone else has. Some have even taken a vido of it so you don't have to get out of your chair.
https://www.youtu...GTSG230Q

Look around you. Go to a high place. Or just go to the shore. Watch a boat come up over the horizon (or a plane come up/dip below it on an overflight course). None of this could possibly happen on a flat Earth.
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
the Pentagon and the arms manufacturers and aircraft manufacturers know that the earth is flat.

Proof of Flat Earth [RAILGUN] THE LONG RANGE ELECTROMAGNETIC GUN
https://www.youtu...lzvRlTp8

http://www.navwea..._Gun.php
Guy_Underbridge
5 / 5 (8) Jan 30, 2018
Proof of Flat Earth...
"Some of the stuff on YouTube is pure bullshit, but the cat videos are awesome" - Aristotle
Nassim
2.7 / 5 (7) Jan 30, 2018
@antialias_physorg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlBGTSG230Q


See this challenge: Pilot accepts Flat Earth visual curve challenge, and FAILS https://www.youtu...f-zK3pno
Please see this video https://www.youtu...lMSONWDM

here is how the horizon should appear from the heights
https://www.youtu...O-YSrdBE

You said
Watch a boat come up over the horizon


But try to zoom in on the boat, you will find that it is not hidden behind the horizon, and it can be visible even from distances where it must be below the horizon according to the theoretical curvature of the Impossi-Ball
https://www.youtu...TTguKxnE
Mimath224
5 / 5 (3) Jan 30, 2018
There is one thing that I haven't read here...the FET debunks in one swipe the hollow Earth theory... say have I just found out why an positron and a electron annihilate each other. Oh yeah, I'm gonna work on that one. Forget all those 'nasty' equations in QED, experiments etc. 'cos I'm gonna rewrite it all.....now let me see, which one is 'flat' and which one is round....hmmm.
antialias_physorg
4.4 / 5 (7) Jan 30, 2018
But try to zoom in on the boat, you will find that it is not hidden behind the horizon

That's BS. Go to a shore.Open your eyes.
..and planes also disappear behind the horizon. They don't just get 'smaller'. By your 'logic' any pilot could see his destination as soon as he clears the runway.

Oh..and did you have an answer on the time zones, yet?
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@ yep
Well Nassim that video clip did nothing to explain clockwise rotation in the Northern hemisphere or counterclockwise rotation in the Southern Hemisphere.


just one thing, according to the heliocentric model, how Polaris manages to always remain perfectly aligned straight above the North Pole throughout Earth's various alleged tilting, wobbling, rotating and revolving motions?
you already find that correct in relation to the heliocentric model ??

See this https://ibb.co/hwp5dm
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@ yep
Well Nassim that video clip did nothing to explain clockwise rotation in the Northern hemisphere or counterclockwise rotation in the Southern Hemisphere.


because south you look south, so it's normal to see that
watch this video https://www.youtu...vHOyHMc8
Nassim
2.6 / 5 (5) Jan 30, 2018
@antialias_physorg
By your 'logic' any pilot could see his destination as soon as he clears the runway.


to be able to see its destination of the takeoff, it is necessary to have at least three necessary conditions: visibility, vision and light.

1 / Absence of obstacle between the pilot and his destination (visibility)
2 / The pilot must have the ability to see his destination from his position (vision), even using binoculars or telescopes.
3 / Existence of light that can, from the city of destination, reach the eye of the pilot.

did you have an answer on the time zones, yet?

Look at a post that was 14 hours ago

Nassim
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 30, 2018
@antialias_physorg
For time zones, it's the same with the globe model. this is an example: https://www.youtu...xCg5XDuk

You have to focus at the beginning on the curvature, once you have come to know that finally the curvature does not exist, you can understand the rest of the arguments of the flat earth (after checking them one after the other).

why the north pole isn't the hottest place on Earth?


because it is only during the summer solstice, that the sun is on the tropic closest to the north pole, in continuation, it moves towards the other tropics close to the equator until arriving, during the winter solstice to the tropics farther south, then moves north again through the equator, leaving the equator region is the hottest on earth.
see this: https://www.youtu..._PdZlSq8
Please read the proofs 126, 49, 55, 53 and 50 of the PDFbook: 200 proofs Earth is not a spinning ball
leetennant
5 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@leetennant
Get on plane ..Look out window at curvature of Earth


I take the plane regularly, but I have not seen where is this curvature !!


It is difficult. You need to look out the window. Try that next time.
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@leetennant

The curvature you see in the plane, is an effect of the windows, watch this video to understand
https://www.youtu...lMSONWDM

Or look at the horizon without windows, see:https://www.youtu...TXbcz2hg
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (6) Jan 30, 2018
@leetennant

The curvature you see in the plane, is an effect of the windows, watch this video to understand
https://www.youtu...lMSONWDM

Ok... I've been to mountaintops. Guess what I saw? Curvature...
Windows not included...
Hell, I could see it from flat plains in North Dakota...
yep
5 / 5 (5) Jan 31, 2018
Well Nassim your video definitely proved to me the earth is not flat.
Different constellations are observable from the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. When the same ones can be seen they just like the moon appear upside down in the Southern hemisphere when compared to the Northern Hemisphere.
The Vedas written 4000 years ago teach of the spherical earth so we know it's not just a conspiracy for mind control by NASA and World governments.
A good telescope can be used to see our nearest plants are also round just like a water bubble in space.
I watched many of the videos you posted and they are misleading. If you want to continue believing in them it is your choice, but I hope you try the shades on and see the truth hidden by the glare.
Good luck.
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
@Whydening Gyre


Hell, I could see it from flat plains in North Dakota...

It's just an illusion, it's a problem of perception!
tell you about North Dakota, here's a video from the evrest at over 8800 meters https://www.youtu...nHeUaMbM

here is how the curvature should appear from the heights https://www.youtu...O-YSrdBE

If the curvature exists, why then, one can see objects (boat, buildings, ..) from a distance, from the distance where they were to be under the horizon of hundreds of meters.

here are some examples:
https://www.youtu...TTguKxnE
https://www.youtu...bEhkLt3U

make comparison with the theoretical curvature of Impossi-Ball.
http://dizzib.git...ve-calc/
leetennant
5 / 5 (7) Jan 31, 2018
@leetennant

The curvature you see in the plane, is an effect of the windows, watch this video to understand
https://www.youtu...lMSONWDM

Ok... I've been to mountaintops. Guess what I saw? Curvature...
Windows not included...
Hell, I could see it from flat plains in North Dakota...


It's just so dumb. I live in Australia. You know what I can't see from my bedroom window? New Zealand. Or Papua New Guinea. Or Tasmania.

You know what I did see from 5000 metres in the Andes? Curvature. You know what I have seen from multiple planes? Curvature. You know what I saw when I headed across the Drake Passage? Antarctica dipping below the horizon and South America rising from the other horizon.

You know what I've used in all those places? SATELLITE GPS! You know what else I use? Gravity and oxygen. I also drink water, which only exists because of the oxygen molecule in it.

Enough already!
Nassim
2.6 / 5 (5) Jan 31, 2018
@yep
I watched many of the videos you posted and they are misleading

if you do not trust these videos, do the tests yourself, use a powerful camera like the nikon p900 to zoom in and follow the sunrise and sunset, and do tests at the seaside, on visibility of boats or islands, and tell me, if the videos I have posted are misleading or not.
http://dizzib.git...ve-calc/

But, the problem is that you have not answered me yet on this question:
according to the heliocentric model, how Polaris manages to always remain perfectly aligned straight above the North Pole throughout Earth's various alleged tilting, wobbling, rotating and revolving motions?
you already find that correct in relation to the heliocentric model ??


sa this https://www.youtu...sq36_NTU
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (5) Jan 31, 2018
@Whydening Gyre


Hell, I could see it from flat plains in North Dakota...

It's just an illusion, it's a problem of perception!
tell you about North Dakota, here's a video from the evrest at over 8800 meters https://www.youtu...nHeUaMbM

Need more than 30 degrees view. Even your vid shows variance in horizon.
Nassim
2.5 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
@leetennant
you did not explain me for then I do not see any curvature in the videos that you showed ?
https://www.youtu...lMSONWDM
https://www.youtu...TXbcz2hg

if the curvature really exists, can you explain me why can we see objects from distances where must be under the horizon of hundreds of meters ?
https://www.youtu...TTguKxnE
https://www.youtu...bEhkLt3U
Nassim
2.5 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
@leetennant
You know what I've used in all those places? SATELLITE GPS! You know what else I use? Gravity and oxygen

Oxygen? who told you that he does not exist?
for gravity, another time, the problem in the way of explaining it, but not denying it!

for geolocalisation, I do not deny it, but it existed since the year 50 with the LORAN system, but, there are always places not covered 100%, especially close to what they call the south pole, look at this pilot which explains that there is white zone between Europe and USA
https://www.youtu...IBtjRBIY
Guy_Underbridge
5 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
If you look over the Icewall, do you see elephants and a big turtle?
Nassim
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 31, 2018
@Whydening Gyre

Need more than 30 degrees view. Even your vid shows variance in horizon.


this slight curvature that appears to us is the same from any height, it is an illusion, if it is due to the curvature, it will be more apparent, more and more that we change height, as it is shown in this video:
https://www.youtu...O-YSrdBE

Look good this picture, this table is also round?
http://ibb.co/etNx9R
https://twitter.c...34382337
https://twitter.c...32122880
https://twitter.c...19848193
Nassim
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 31, 2018
@Whydening Gyre

If you look over the Icewall, do you see elephants and a big turtle?


do you think I believe that shit? or that of the hollow earth?

they serve no purpose, they only serve to keep people from discussing scientific evidence?
Nassim
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 31, 2018
If you think this smokestack is spinning with the earth's 1000 mph speed,
you have been successfully INDOCTRINATED

see: http://ibb.co/gFXm3m
antialias_physorg
4.4 / 5 (7) Jan 31, 2018

1 / Absence of obstacle between the pilot and his destination (visibility)

What obstacles between a plane and a continent are there at 30000 feet on a cloudless day?


2 / The pilot must have the ability to see his destination from his position (vision), even using binoculars or telescopes.

And why wouldn't he? I mean, he should be able to look around anywhere on the planet from 30000 feet and see all other continents at the very least. They are certainly big enough.


3 / Existence of light that can, from the city of destination, reach the eye of the pilot.

Which is a given on a flat Earth, since all areas would be in sunshine at the same time. Or do you say entire continents will not reflect enough light to be seen?

How's that answer about time zones coming along, BTW? Or do you say they don't exist?
Nassim
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
@antialias_physorg

For time zones, it's the same with the globe model. this is an example: https://www.youtu...xCg5XDuk

You have to focus at the beginning on the curvature, once you have come to know that finally the curvature does not exist, you can understand the rest of the arguments of the flat earth (after checking them one after the other).

why the north pole isn't the hottest place on Earth?


because it is only during the summer solstice, that the sun is on the tropic closest to the north pole, in continuation, it moves towards the other tropics close to the equator until arriving, during the winter solstice to the tropics farther south, then moves north again through the equator, leaving the equator region is the hottest on earth.
see this: https://www.youtu..._PdZlSq8
Please read the proofs 126, 49, 55, 53 and 50 of the PDFbook: 200 proofs Earth is not a spinning ball
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (4) Jan 31, 2018
@Nassim I deny there is any explanation that can be shown on YouTube. You can explain it here or we will decide that you have no explanation. Pictures won't make it clearer. If you don't understand it well enough to explain it yourself then you obviously aren't competent to express an opinion in the first place.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (4) Jan 31, 2018
@Nasteem Then of course there'd be the two other things you tried to ignore and sweep under the carpet. I'm going with Eratosthenes who measured the Earth's diameter several thousand years ago.
Nassim
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
For those who claim to have seen the curvature through the plane, who still refuse to admit that it is due to the windows, watch this video from NASA, one of several, https://www.youtu...NWDKfPBI

At the minute 00:38 http://ibb.co/f01Nb6
the video shows a false curvature through the windows from the first meters of takeoff.

But at the minute 01:15 and 02:06 http://ibb.co/eccjpR, http://ibb.co/npum3m
we do not see any curvature!
Nassim
1.7 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
@Nasteem Then of course there'd be the two other things you tried to ignore and sweep under the carpet. I'm going with Eratosthenes who measured the Earth's diameter several thousand years ago.


Look at this pictures http://ibb.co/meOqw6 , http://ibb.co/h7Bw3m
There are two hypotheses, he opted for the second one, it's his fault, he had to first check the shape before trying to calculate the diameter or the height of the sun !!!
antialias_physorg
4.2 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
For those who claim to have seen the curvature through the plane, who still refuse to admit that it is due to the windows

Funnily enough you can also see it from every mountaintop. Are you going to claim there are windows on mountains?

Also note that if it were due to the windows on planes you'd be seeing *everything* curved when you're resting on the runway. Note how this is not the case? You should really get out of your room and open your eyes. It would save you no end of typing (and making a fool of yourself)
barakn
5 / 5 (5) Jan 31, 2018
Nassim is the kind of troll that creates two sockpuppets (naami and n-idir) to vote him/herself up and is simply not worth debating.
zz5555
5 / 5 (6) Jan 31, 2018
If you think this smokestack is spinning with the earth's 1000 mph speed,
you have been successfully INDOCTRINATED

see: http://ibb.co/gFXm3m

I marvel at the stunning level of incompetence required to make this claim. If someone actually believes this, they're probably not able to understand even the most basic discussions here.
snoosebaum
not rated yet Jan 31, 2018
HEY ! Nassim , go fall off the edge.
Nassim
2 / 5 (4) Jan 31, 2018
@antialias_physorg

Funnily enough you can also see it from every mountaintop. Are you going to claim there are windows on mountains?


this slight curvature that appears to us is the same from any height, it is an illusion, of course, through a curved glass, it appears a little more.

If it is due to the curvature, it will be more apparent, more and more that we change height, as it is shown in this video: https://www.youtu...O-YSrdBE

Nassim
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 31, 2018
Nassim is the kind of troll that creates two sockpuppets (naami and n-idir) to vote him/herself up and is simply not worth debating.


naami is not my account
but, the vote is in the aim that my answers appear for the others who ask me each time to answer their questions (by default the filter of the comments is with 2.5). take things in the positive sense!
Nassim
2 / 5 (4) Jan 31, 2018
@antialias_physorg
1 /-->What obstacles between a plane and a continent are there at 30000 feet on a cloudless day?

Ok, I accept, except the atmosphere -Troposphère-.

2 /-->And why wouldn't he? I mean, he should be able to look around anywhere on the planet from 30000 feet and see all other continents at the very least. They are certainly big enough.

I think we are talking about more than 100 kms?, anyway, the binoculars and the telescope can do business.

3 /-->Which is a given on a flat Earth, since all areas would be in sunshine at the same time.


if both positions are in the day, it is no longer a problem.

the pilot must look down, making sure that the clouds do not separate them, must use the binoculars to see well.
Personally I did not try, reason why the airplane is above the clouds, except at the takeoff or landing, besides taking a good position to look towards the target with binoculars.

it's better to do it on a balloon.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (4) Jan 31, 2018
If you look over the Icewall, do you see elephants and a big turtle?
AH, and all this time I thought it was Atlas. Oh well, wrong again!
Can someone here tell me where the core the is on a flat Earth? How is the mag. field generated?
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (3) Jan 31, 2018
use the binoculars to see well.
Personally I did not try, reason why the airplane is above the clouds, except at the takeoff or landing, besides taking a good position to look towards the target with binoculars.

it's better to do it on a balloon.

You mean like a ROUND balloon...?
Or a deflated one...?
Can someone here tell me where the core the is on a flat Earth? How is the mag. field generated?

Or the gravitational one, too..
yep
5 / 5 (3) Jan 31, 2018
Nassim the true problem is you will not acknowledge when you are wrong or answer my proofs to your falsehoods instead you deflect with more nonsense.
Of course Polaris moves this is evident with mans recorded history. Right now it sits around the pole but it was not always the North Star, Kochab and Pherkad were before and thousands of years previously it was Thuban and thousands of years from now it will be Vega and we know this because of the 26,000 year precession.
You have so deluded yourself with this you can not see the obvious truth. When you travel you see the tops of mountains because of the earths curvature, you do not see the base until you get close enough. These videos you watch are for fools with small minds that are easily tricked.
I've had enough of you chicanery you are as bad as religious zealots.
TrollBane
5 / 5 (6) Feb 01, 2018
"How is the mag. field generated?" That was covered in an episode of Get Smart. It's a side-effect of a KAOS plot involving a floating artificial island, two Nazis still fighting the lost war, one enormous horseshoe magnet and a sailor's wrist watch that took a licking but kept on ticking.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
Can someone here tell me where the core the is on a flat Earth? How is the mag. field generated?

that's another problem,
I prefer to focus on:
1 / the form of the earth and the universe, to prove if really is a ball or plate?

2 / the speed of rotation of the earth, its speed around the sun, the speed of the sun around the center of the galaxy?
http://ibb.co/gFXm3m

3 / How do Polaris manage to always remain in line with North Pole in Earth's various allegations tilting, wobbling, rotating and revolving motions?

4 / if the earth rotates on itself, why then night in the Antarctic from 71 degrees of southern latitude, from May 17 to July 21, as reported by the Royal Belgian Society of Geography in its " Belgian Antarctic Expedition "?
Mimath224
5 / 5 (3) Feb 01, 2018
@TrollBane, What...what...just a mo...enormous horseshoe magnet????? Where did that come from? Oh I see, elephants, giant turtles AND giant horses on the underside of FE, Ha!
Can someone ask Naasim if he has ever encountered a superior mirage and whether he took the time to investigate? Thanks.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (3) Feb 01, 2018

4 / if the earth rotates on itself, why then night in the Antarctic from 71 degrees of southern latitude, from May 17 to July 21, as reported by the Royal Belgian Society of Geography in its " Belgian Antarctic Expedition "?

Hate to break it to you, but that is WINTER in the Southern Hemisphere...
The southern pole is angled farthest from the Sun at that time of the year...
Guy_Underbridge
4.7 / 5 (3) Feb 01, 2018
Nassim,
If the earth is shaped like a saucer, could it be the moon is shaped like a cup? If you think about it, we've never actually seen the backside of the moon... It might be hollow! Could it be we're going to experience the arrival of The Great Teaspoon?
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2018
@yep
Right now it sits around the pole but it was not always the North Star...

this Axial precession don't interest me, because before talking about her, I must be sure of the his existence, not only because others say it.
I do not speak thousands of years, but how now, when, according to the heliocentric model, the planets of each solar system revolves around its star, each star around the center of its galaxy, each galaxy around the center of the universe, and according to the multiverse, I do not know what too ...

how then this Polaris, which is a sun that turns also around his galaxy, manages to always remain well aligned North Pole ?
https://www.youtu...vRxQWb6g
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2018
@yep
When you travel you see the tops of mountains because of the earths curvature, you do not see the base until you get close enough

I think I've already answered that with videos, it's the light that bends slightly down, because of the atmosphere, but slightly, and that does not necessarily mean that there is a curl, take a magnifying glass and do your test on a dish and regade how the image enlarges and the bottom of the objects disappears into the ground.
https://www.youtu...oJwNvAKc
https://www.youtu..._-1h6qUc

Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2018
@Whydening Gyre
Hate to break it to you, but that is WINTER in the Southern Hemisphere...
The southern pole is angled farthest from the Sun at that time of the year...


if the earth makes a turn on itself every 24 hours, from every point of this ball, one must be able to see the sun at least for an hour, especially at altitude 71, just at the beginning of the Antarctic.
on the model of the flat earth, it is very logical, without need to pretend that the axis of rotaion is inclined of 23 °.

Re-read the proofs 126, 49, 55, 53 and 50 of the PDFbook: 200 proofs Earth is not a spinning ball

https://savagepla...ubay.pdf
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2018
@Guy_Underbridge

If the earth is shaped like a saucer, could it be the moon is shaped like a cup? If you think about it, we've never actually seen the backside of the moon... It might be hollow! Could it be we're going to experience the arrival of The Great Teaspoon?


the problem is that the moon does not turn on her, she is an exception of the heliocentric model?

but, that's not a problem, NASA showed it to us in its video,
but unfortunately, in her video, she forgot to move the clouds,

Look and compare the clouds over Africa at the minute 00:20 then 00:30 then 00:40 then 0:50 ----> the clouds have not moved during 72 hours ???

https://www.youtu...MHkF7BaA
antialias_physorg
4.2 / 5 (5) Feb 01, 2018
Look and compare the clouds over Africa at the minute 00:20 then 00:30 then 00:40 then 0:50 ----> the clouds have not moved during 72 hours ???

Erm...you do realize that the video you linked to is a computer model, right? Right?
Please tell me you didn't think this was real video footage. Nobody can be that blind.
Nassim
2.3 / 5 (3) Feb 01, 2018
@antialias_physorg
Erm...you do realize that the video you linked to is a computer model, right? Right?
Please tell me you didn't think this was real video footage. Nobody can be that blind.


I thought about that, but I have not checked before.
it is mentioned on their site that it is a narrated video https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4253

I'm not going to ask why they do not have real videos, because their mission is not just to edit videos, especially when it comes to the land and the moon?
but, it is not important, I do not want to leave the subject of the form of the earth and the existence of curvature.
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
if you do not trust these videos, do the tests yourself, use a powerful camera like the nikon p900 to zoom in and follow the sunrise and sunset, and do tests at the seaside, on visibility of boats or islands, and tell me, if the videos I have posted are misleading or not
Well obviously the earth is flat because Allah says it is. So all that is left is clever thinking and coersion.

Has he gotten to the coersion part yet?
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
Who can check this videos about antarctica?

1/Encyclopedia Americana that dates from the 1958 ?
https://www.youtu...oTNUiFVQ

Photograph - by George Rayner, Antarctica, circa 1920s Summary Photograph probably taken by George Rayner. The 'William Scoresby' was a purpose-designed research vessel built for the Discovery Committee by the East Yorkshire shipyard of Cook, Welton & Gemmell, at Beverley. She was named after the famous British artic explorer and scientist, William Scoresby (1789-1857), who had explored and mapped much of the Greenland coastline in the early 18th century.

3/
https://www.youtu...efvbgZAo
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
Who can check this videos about antarctica?

1/Encyclopedia Americana that dates from the 1958 ? https://www.youtu...6ngIbUas

2/The Dome Visible in an ANTARTICA Photo https://www.youtu...hvzlWX6E

Photograph - by George Rayner, Antarctica, circa 1920s Summary Photograph probably taken by George Rayner. The 'William Scoresby' was a purpose-designed research vessel built for the Discovery Committee by the East Yorkshire shipyard of Cook, Welton & Gemmell, at Beverley. She was named after the famous British artic explorer and scientist, William Scoresby (1789-1857), who had explored and mapped much of the Greenland coastline in the early 18th century.

3/Proof of the Dome https://www.youtu...efvbgZAo
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
Why planes use Azimuthal Equidistant projection - or polar projection - during their flights?
https://www.youtu...kFNBvuiA

these distances are not the same with the flat earth map? just a question that anyone can ask.
gkam
1 / 5 (3) Feb 01, 2018
What would happen of the world really were flat?

The Republicans would be right for once.
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (4) Feb 01, 2018
I'm not going to ask why they do not have real videos

But I am going to ask why you link to videos that don't show what you claim they show. Are you just stupid or what?
(I think we can eliminate the 'or what' option)
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
@antialias_physorg

First, a little respect, do not think you have the absolute truth, and that the others are only stupids!

Instead of insulting, present me these videos that don't show what I claim they show !!
snoosebaum
5 / 5 (3) Feb 01, 2018
This place is Monty Pythons 'argument clinic ''come to life .

https://www.youtu...KtI6gn9Y
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
@Anonym607451

With extraordinary few exceptions, no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat

Read more at: https://phys.org/...html#jCp


Science Reference Guides
The Flat Earth and its Advocates: A List of References
http://www.loc.go...rth.html
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2018
Ok... Think I have it now.. THis Nassim guy has a youtube channel that he is promoting...
The more links he shows here, the more pointers he has to his channel...
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
@Whydening Gyre
Nassim has a youtube channel that he is promoting...

you find all these videos come from a single channel?
try to focus seriously on the content, put aside what they indoctrinated us, and start the search with honesty and criticism.

take a look at the book 200 proofs Earth is not a spinning ball https://savagepla...ubay.pdf

and look again at these proofs:
http://www.youtub...VbsXYW1M
http://www.youtub...qZoUJ3C0
http://www.youtub...h9OENJPU
http://www.youtub...bEhkLt3U
http://www.youtub...vRxQWb6g
http://www.youtub...49IYBhO4
http://www.youtub...quYkL7_k
http://www.youtub...lzvRlTp8
http://www.youtub...TTguKxnE
http://www.youtub...oy44wtFA
http://www.youtub...O-YSrdBE
http://www.youtub..._PdZlSq8
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
First, a little respect, do not think you have the absolute truth, and that the others are only stupids!
Because allah says that smarts is only for believers. So everyone else has to be wrong.

2:269
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2018
@Whydening Gyre
Nassim has a youtube channel that he is promoting...

you find all these videos come from a single channel?
try to focus seriously on the content, put aside what they indoctrinated us, and start the search with honesty and criticism.

take a look at the book 200 proofs Earth is not a spinning ball


No one has "indoctrinated" me. As a lefty I am the original opposite man. I have questioned just about everything in my life. My own resultant observations have been my guide.
Earth is a ball. (Both literally and euphemistically...:-))
Get over it and move on with your life.
You're sounding like the republican constituent who thinks trump walks on water...
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2018
This place is Monty Pythons 'argument clinic ''come to life .

https://www.youtu...KtI6gn9Y

Snoose,
I just knew that would be good...:-)
snoosebaum
5 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
how did Trump get into this ? , i guess Nassim is Trumps fault .

Nassim won't talk about falling of the edge of his flat earth , says Capt'n obvious . Seems an easy way to deal with him instead of tedious arguements.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2018
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2018
how did Trump get into this ? , i guess Nassim is Trumps fault .


Actually, I think it works the other way around...:-)
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2018
@snoosebaum @Whydening Gyre

Be careful, if one of these videos said that Trump said that the earth is flat, that's wrong.
it was not me who made these videos, just look at what is scientific and logical, no more.
https://www.youtu...Vn5D6Byg
yep
5 / 5 (3) Feb 02, 2018
Guy was correct. Nassim is like chess with a pigeon, he just knocks the pieces over and shits on the board.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2018
@yep
Sincerely, have you analyzed some proofs of the book "200 Earth proofs is not a spinning ball" ?
https://savagepla...ubay.pdf
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2018
@Whydening Gyre, @antialias_physorg, @yep, @Mimath224, @zz5555, @barakn, @TrollBane, @leetennant, @Guy_Underbridge, @Da Schneib, @Anonym607451

Sincerely, have you analyzed some proofs of the book "200 Earth proofs is not a spinning ball" ?
https://savagepla...ubay.pdf


watch this video: https://www.youtu..._YpQsy88
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (2) Feb 02, 2018
Sincerely, have you analyzed some proofs of the book "200 Earth proofs is not a spinning ball" ?
https://savagepla...ubay.pdf

I had a quick look
1) is false(not the horizon doesn't appear flat. Not from a mountain or an airplane. No, this isn't due to windows because it's also apparent from someone dropping from a parachute or the ISS in orbit.
2) No, the horizon doesn't stay at eye level 'no matter how high you go' which is easily disproven if you imagine going into space.
3) Consistent level of water is due to near uniformity of gravity. Earth is not 'wobbling' through space but spinning at a very regular rate (it's also not 'tilted' because there is no up or down in space. It is tilted *with repsect to the ecliptic* - but that is just a convenient plane of reference.

I stopped reading after that. If you think this is a good source you are completely insane.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2018
https://savageplane.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/200-proofs-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-eric-dubay.pdf


I had a quick look
1) is false(not the horizon doesn't appear flat. Not from a mountain or an airplane. No, this isn't due to windows because it's also apparent from someone dropping from a parachute or the ISS in orbit.
2) No, the horizon doesn't stay at eye level 'no matter how high you go' which is easily disproven if you imagine going into space.
....


Did you try to apply the curvature formula of the ball on the examples cited in the book?
http://dizzib.git...ve-calc/
proofs from 68 to 94.

Have you read about the "Airy's Failure" experiment ?
proof 16th.
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2018
I think we should be allowing caliphaters to go on thinking that the earth is flat as they will then be sending their ICBMs in the wrong direction.

Hail satan.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2018
@Whydening Gyre, @antialias_physorg, @yep, @Mimath224, @zz5555, @barakn, @TrollBane, @leetennant, @Guy_Underbridge, @Da Schneib, @Anonym607451

RAILGUN, THE LONG RANGE ELECTROMAGNETIC
This weapon fires a projectile of up to 100 miles, with a speed of 7.5 mach in a straight line, a this distance, the target have to under the horizon of 5400 feets on the glob.
https://flatearth...ine.html

http://dizzib.git...imperial

show this the ICBM and Rail gun' s trajectory comparison https://image.ibb...pic1.jpg
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2018
finally, I did not check the trajectory well, it is not a direct line, so this argument does not serve to demonstrate the shape of the earth, neither flat nor ball.

I had to visit the page and check the information, not only from google image!
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2018
finally, I did not check the trajectory well, it is not a direct line, so this argument does not serve to demonstrate the shape of the earth, neither flat nor ball
So I'm right here. Nuke me bitch. My naked butt is pointed in your general direction.

Oh and railguns can theoretically place things in orbit and no, they don't shoot in as straight line.

" Electromagnetic launch technology and more exact railguns, are promising candidates for the launch of smaller masses. Since several years the ISL has conducted railgun research"
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
I don't like to use dirty vulgar words. a little respect !

Seriously, why the sunrise and sunset are done according to the principle of perception, that is to say the sun becomes smaller and closer to the earth?

https://www.youtu...aTMXDsyo
https://image.ibb...gg_X.jpg
yep
5 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
Flat earthers are completely pointless to argue with. All they're arguments ultimately boil down to: "Everything that proves me wrong is lies, therefore I am right".

But for the sake of arguing for arguing's sake here are some things flat earthers can't prove wrong:
- The existence of the southern celestial pole and the thousands of time lapse videos of it.
- Gravity has been measured in every freshman college level physics classes around the world. (At the very least)
- Buoyancy equations require gravity to be calculated in said equations in order to get a result.
- You weigh less at the equator than at the poles due to the earth spinning.
- The Coriolis effect is real and experiments have proven its existence.

Truth Nassim you promote bullshit you do not care how misleading or wrong you are.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
@RealityUnvield42 @yep

- The existence of the southern celestial pole...

yes it is difficult to understand why we see the stars turned in the opposite direction in the southern part, but your argument is in truth against the heliocetic system!

Especially for you @RealityUnvield42
According to the heliocentric model, the planets of each solar system revolves around its star, each galaxy around the center of the universe, and according to the multiverse .......
how then this Polaris, which is a sun that turns also around a center of his galaxy, manages to always remain well aligned North Pole ?
http://bestanimat...on-3.gif
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
@RealityUnvield42 @yep
The existence of the southern celestial pole .


I saw some explanations, but I could not check which one is correct:
the first says that the South Celestial Pole is in one location only. William Carpenter reports in his book "Theoretical Astronomy Examined and Exposed" that the Sigma Octantis, the star which marks the center point of the South Celestial Pole, was seen misaligned with the direction of South. Sigma Ocantis was seen on several polar expeditions to be South-East or South-West of the observer. These incontestable accounts are incompatible with the Globe Earth Model, which predicts that the center of the South Celestial Pole will be directly southward at all longitudes.

The second is that explained by Eric Dubay in his book 200 proofs proofs 99, 100 and 101
https://savagepla...ubay.pdf
http://www.atlant...rth.html
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
@RealityUnvield42 @yep
The existence of the southern celestial pole .


I saw some explanations, but I could not check which one is correct:
the first says that the South Celestial Pole is in one location only. William Carpenter reports in his book "Theoretical Astronomy Examined and Exposed" that the Sigma Octantis, the star which marks the center point of the South Celestial Pole, was seen misaligned with the direction of South. Sigma Ocantis was seen on several polar expeditions to be South-East or South-West of the observer. These incontestable accounts are incompatible with the Globe Earth Model, which predicts that the center of the South Celestial Pole will be directly southward at all longitudes.

The second is that explained by Eric Dubay in his book 200 proofs proofs 99, 100 and 101
https://savagepla...ubay.pdf
http://www.atlant...rth.html
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
I don't like to use dirty vulgar words. a little respect !
You don't like evidence either and that deeply offends me.

I suspect that your opinions and your recalcitrance are informed by religious dogma and that also deeply offends me.

And no I'm not a bigot - I hate all religions equally, mainly because of the offensive smut they peddle about how the world works.

And of course that universal thing about how you can't be good or decent or honest or trustworthy - or smart - because you dont believe.

But perhaps I'm wrong about your motivations?
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
@RealityUnvield42 @yep
- Gravity has been measured in every freshman college level physics classes around the world. (At the very least)


what is measured is weight and not gravity.
gravity is a theory that tries to explain how objects fall on the earth. its principle is that each object tries to attract the other objects towards its center of gravity, of course on weight and big, moreover its attraction force is stronger, the earth is attracted by the sun, and the moon attracted by the earth, what protects the earth from falling on the sun is its rotation around itself, but the moon? I do not know if they answer or not?

in any case it remains a theory, I am obliged to aher, if I have another explanation without inconsistencies!
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
@RealityUnvield42 @yep

- You weigh less at the equator than at the poles due to the earth spinning.


the supposed speed of the Earth's rotation is 1000 mph at the equator, and tends towards 0 mph at the North Pole. (in parentheses, why humans can not feel this difference, it is a counter argument of the rotation!).

in spite of this huge difference in speed of failure, the difference in weight is only 0.3% ??? do you find that logical?
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 03, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923 you are off topic.
try to prove your opinion about the subject of this article, if not go elsewhere and look with whom to discuss your belief!
del2
5 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
@nassim
in spite of this huge difference in speed of failure, the difference in weight is only 0.3% ??? do you find that logical?

Perfectly logical. The calculation is quite simple, try it for yourself. You'll find all the information you need in any school physics text.I thought you said you had studied physics?
snoosebaum
not rated yet Feb 03, 2018
So nasim waht would u c from the space station ?
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
you are off topic
I am refuting your arguments re flat earth like everyone else. But my approach is to deconstruct your motivations rather than try to address all the many spurious factoids you posit.

Your religion tells you the earth is flat so no amount of evidence will convince you it's not. And you join with a large number of people with the same convictions who have fabricated imaginary facts and distortions to support it.

And you reference them thinking that the sheer weight of numbers and effort is evidence that its true.

All religionists think this way about their respective religions, all of which insist that theirs is the only one that is true.

And they all say 'Look! So many people, they must be right.'

Theres a nice vid somewhere on YouTube of a very angry Sunni using this argument that the existence of millions of Sunni proves that millions of shia are an intolerable affront to god.

And somewhere some Shiite is using the same argument against him.
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 03, 2018
@del2
Perfectly logical...

if you mean that it corresponds to the theoretical laws of physics? yes, but logical I say no?
why no? because it is not the case for the earth!

to ensure that an object that rotates around a center in a cercular trajectory, the centrifugal force and centripetal force must be equals, see this picture https://image.ibb...orce.png centrifugal force f = centripetal force f=m*v2/r

For the case of the earth that is supposed spinning 1000 mph at the equator, where is this force that holds us to stay stable on the earth? if it existed, then it will immobilize us permanently !

Don't try to apply the same of f=m*v2/r for earth, because it is used to calculate the force sufficient for the stability of a mass m on a ball of earth that has a radius r and turns arround it with a speed v !, but does not serve to prove existing of a centripetal force.
the reality is for the case of the earth : centrifugal force=centripetal force=0
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 03, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
I am refuting your arguments re flat earth like everyone else[q/]

You are defending your belief, perhaps without attention.
You did not answer any questions ! you are still off topic !
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2018
Why should I answer your questions when you won't admit to the motivation behind them? Your questions are designed to be unanswerable like 'why are we here?' More religionist nonsense.
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 03, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
Your questions are designed to be unanswerable like 'why are we here?'


it's weird! yet you are the only one who has not discussed any scientific point!

I think the flat earth does not go well with your belief !!
Don't worry, I thought the earth is spherical, finally i discovered that it is flat, but nothing changed about me, I'm only happy to have opened my eyes, it is same for any discovery.
snoosebaum
not rated yet Feb 03, 2018
I'm only happy to have opened my eyes, it is same for any discovery. ''

Maybe you should contact Dr Phil , or visit the space station ,

see the beauty , LIVE THIS LIFE , this miracle !

https://www.youtu..._mdL2vBM


Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 04, 2018
@snoosebaum

I took two pictures live, I missed another clearer, I will not waste my time following their faking
https://image.ibb.../ISS.png
https://image.ibb...ss_2.png

see this engineer explains problems with the ISS, Satellites & the Thermosphere https://www.youtu...qrjZa3zo
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 04, 2018
@snoosebaum

show this video : 13 reasons to not trust space agencies. NASA,ESA,JAXA are hiding the flat earth https://www.youtu...umLpLz0o
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 04, 2018
see this publication :
https://twitter.c...95518720

#flatearth experiments I did in Hawaii
1. Does the ocean horizon rise to eye level- Yes
2. Did the plane fly level across the ocean- Yes
3. Does GPS quit in the Pacific Ocean- Yes
4. Can you bring ships back into view- Yes
5. Can you see islands that you should not- Yes
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 04, 2018
@snoosebaum
There are many peoples convinced that the ISS is only a lie, even if they do not hear this case of the flat earth. they found anomalies and situations impossible to realize concerning the speed of the ISS and that of the earth, the materials used, the shuttles between the earth and the ISS....
here is someone http://www.menson...ISS.html

here are some special effects of the ISS and how they use the blue screen to do their editing of video:
https://www.youtu...qS1K6j50
https://www.youtu...CBHiNF10

Blue Screen vs Green Screen: Which should you use? https://www.youtu...VjYM5GSo
snoosebaum
not rated yet Feb 04, 2018
nope , this is nuts , u do realize the bigger the conspiracy the less likely it is ? i think u and your lot r suffering a neurosis , this flat earth thing is a retreat into a cozy little fantasy world.
Nassim
1 / 5 (2) Feb 04, 2018
@snoosebaum

the little fantasy world is the one that is based on the rejection of facts and concrete findings to satisfy theories that have not been proven just to appear scientific and intellectual and to continue to dream about traveling in space, the discovery of life elsewhere and lead a war against the extraterrestrials.

Sweet dreams !
yep
5 / 5 (1) Feb 08, 2018
it's weird! yet you are the only one who has not discussed any scientific point!


What is weird is you have not offered any scientific point just a bunch of bullshit from people making money off of dim witted people.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 10, 2018
I'm only happy to have opened my eyes, it is same for any discovery
Where have I heard this before? Ah yes...

"My eyes were very closed and I was very blind but Almighty God opened my eyes. I thank ALLAH for having showed me the Truth and for having chosen me for Islam and Islam for me."

"Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now am found
T'was blind but now I see"

Same ole same ole.
it's weird! yet you are the only one who has not discussed any scientific point
There's no sense debating semantics when your whole premise is wrong. Better to attack the premise.

You cant shut off a fire hose by swatting at the water.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 11, 2018
@yep @TheGhostofOtto1923

You waste your time trying to link the theory of flat earth with religions, instead of trying to verify your pseudo-scientific doctrines.

Remain in the context of evidence and counter-evidence or stop completely this futile discussion.

I remind you of the principle:

"My opinion is correct, it is likely that it is incorrect; and your opinion is incorrect, it is likely that it is correct"

Let's stay in the context of the evidence.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 11, 2018
Remain in the context of evidence and counter-evidence or stop completely this futile discussion
But you have obviously no appreciation of evidence. You cherry pick fabrications from crank sites to support your preconceptions. And you do this, as I suspect, because it suits your religious views.

What's to discuss? You have to admit to your motivations.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 12, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
that's not the case, as I already explained!
I thought, like you, that the ball of earth is an indisputable thing according to the studies we have done since our childhood.

one day I saw a video that a friend shared trying to prove that the earth is flat and speaks about the plot etc ..., I thought that the poor man was handled despite that I knew him very intelligent! but that's not a problem, I recorded the video on my PC to analyze it again and understand how it was handled.

one day another spoke to me directly about the same thing, I told him that you're crazy too, and I started to answer his arguments from the scientific (heliocentric) point of view, but he insisted on his opinion.

I started to doubt, and I said then it's an opportunity to analyze the video I recorded on my PC.

with video's analysis and observation and common sense I discovered that really the earth is not a spinning ball with 1000mph and that the radius.

nassim-idir.imgbb.com
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 12, 2018
BECAUSE you believe in the primary fantasy of religion you are susceptible to the fantasies of flat earthers.

"Religion poisons everything." Christopher Hitchens

Or perhaps you are constitutionally incapable of accepting facts that contradict your religious beliefs. Humans have been systematically selected over 100s of gens for their ability to reject logic and evidence for superstition. Those who couldn't lost repro rights.

Some societies may reflect this propensity more than others.

IOW we've been bred for insanity.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 12, 2018
with video's analysis and observation and common sense I discovered that really the earth is not a spinning ball with 1000mph and that the radius
You're wrong. You've made critical errors in judgement. The fact that you are unable to appreciate this and correct it when presented with valid evidence means you're insane.

And the fact that others agree with you only means they are insane as well.

Insanity of this sort is a lot more common than you might think, and the fault lies with the primary disease we call religion.

It has fucked with our genes.
Nassim
not rated yet Feb 12, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

Your problem is with religions.
you want to deviate from the subject towards religion, a subject for which I have no time to discuss especially with atheist integrists!, do not forget that atheism is also a belief! and the atheist integrists can be more violent than the terrorists of ISIS or Ku Klux Klan!

if you have proof and calculation for the curvature of the earth, or explanations for these phenomena, thank you for showing them:
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 12, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

if you have proof and calculation for the curvature of the earth, or explanations for these phenomena, thank you for showing them:

1 / a boat 15 meters high must disappear completely 25 kms. here are the measurements: http://dizzib.git...t=metric
where is the curvature? https://www.youtu...TTguKxnE

2/ 17 miles curvature test from San Mateo Bridge to Bay Bridge, where is the curvature?
http://dizzib.git...imperial
https://www.youtu...bEhkLt3U

3 / on the sunset, if really the earth is a spinning ball, why the sun look small? For example, he does not follow the principle of the visual perceptive? :

https://www.youtu...rpPgpcZE
https://www.youtu...vUgPRw98
https://www.youtu...z05IY-l0
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Feb 12, 2018
Your problem is with religions
My problem is with people like you who can't think rationally.
you want to deviate from the subject towards religion
Like i say i believe your inability to think rationally is due to insanity.
a subject for which I have no time to discuss especially with atheist integrists!
So you ARE a religionist. That wasnt so hard now was it?
do not forget that atheism is also a belief!
I'm not an atheist I am an antireligionist. For obvious reasons. I mean, look what it's done to you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Feb 12, 2018
if you have proof and calculation for the curvature of the earth, or explanations for these phenomena, thank you for showing them
Show them? I need only mention the millions of scientists, engineers, pilots, navigators, meteorologists, etcetcetc who rely on the fact that the earth is a globe every day, in order to do their work.

You should be alarmed that your opinions differ from what all those people KNOW, from experience, to be true.

And you should be desperate to find out what is wrong with you, as that level of insanity endangers not only you but your family and the people around you.

It's akin to thinking you can fly or walk on water.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Feb 12, 2018
You know, like that god you believe in.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 12, 2018
Noumenon you old sot

What's with the driveby? Is it because I use the same strategy with the godder as I do with you?

You cant debate evidence with a godder as he will continually redefine it, ignore it, and continue to pile more nonsense on top of it.

Same with philos. Every trick in the book.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 12, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
I need only mention the millions of scientists

Be independent and do your tests yourself! https://www.youtu...bEhkLt3U

I am an engineer, I live between engineers, and I have heard testimonies, you can ask the surveyors, the architects and the pilots if they take into consideration the formula of curvature of the earth.

You have to understand one thing that the curvature of the earth is only theoretical, it was admitted because everyone accepted it to justify the different natural phenomena such as day and night, the seasons, but in truth this The heliocentric principle is full of contradiction and it can not even justify the simplest phenomena that we see every day.

take the time to your brain to make its decision and do not leave it attached to others, otherwise you will find yourself one day in front of the wall.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 12, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

I need only mention the millions of scientists


Did you see this scientific publication? http://www.usu.ed...sas.html

... engineers

read the proof 09 of the book : 200 proofs Earth is not a spinning ball https://savagepla...ubay.pdf https://www.youtu..._YpQsy88
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 13, 2018
Be independent and do your tests yourself! https://www.youtu...bEhkLt3U
I'm not a scientist. A scientist could tell you where your errors are. Probably some already have but you've chosen to ignore them yes?

And I probably could if I made the effort but as I said, it's pointless to dispute evidence with a delusional fanatic/religionist.
I am an engineer
Sure you are. Lots of people here claim to be engineers when theyre obviously not.

And lots of engineers who post here seem to think their expertise in one field makes them proficient in others, with embarrassing results.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 13, 2018
The major difference scientists/engrs and religionists/philosophers, aside from the relative respect for evidence, is that the former are willing to change their beliefs while the latter are not.

And when religion is the basis of fanaticism and your immortal soul is on the line, doubt itself becomes a mortal sin.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 13, 2018
"5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do." James1

-As I've said we've been bred for this mindset. It can express itself in many foolish and arbitrary ways. It can make us latch on to opinions and beliefs that we might normally dismiss if we were thinking rationally.

It's part of the destruction that religion has visited on the human race. Scientists view doubt as a virtue while to religionists it is a sin.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 13, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

I do not know if I have to swear ??!!! to prove to you that my conviction of the flat earth is based on scientifics arguments not religious.

I am a Muslim, I thought that the earth is a spinning ball, but it was not in contradiction with the Qur'an that did not come especially to show us if the earth is flat or spherical.

The main goal of the Qur'an is to orient ourselves to worship God alone without a partner.

Of course, science has proven many of the scientific miracles mentioned in the Qur'an, but this is not our subject.

Let se discuss the subject with the scientific arguments.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 13, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

The most important for me is to be honest and let the search for truth our First goal.

I want to add something. The scientific research about Kansas is simple and clear. It proves unquestionably that at least Kansas is flatter than a Pancake where the flatness is approximately 0.9997 and is very close to 1 which represents the degree of flattening for the disk.

Flattening is a measure of the compression of a circle or sphere along a diameter to form an ellipse or an ellipsoid of revolution (spheroid) respectively. Other terms used are ellipticity, or oblateness.

A sphere has a flattening of 0, while an infinitely thin disk has a flattening of 1

https://en.wikipe...attening
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 13, 2018
I am a Muslim
I know.
The main goal of the Qur'an is to orient ourselves to worship God alone without a partner
"The root word for Islam is "al-Silm," which means "submission" or "surrender.""

-Its the same with every religion. Youve been bred to surrender your reason for faith. Its so deep within you that you dont even know it is there even though it colors your every thought.

As I tell my baptist sister, its a feeling. The feeling comes first, the thought follows.

And when I tell her this she is deeply offended, and her convictions grow even stronger.

Oh well.

And then she says shit like 'good is not enough' and I am reminded just what religionists are surrendering their reason for.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@ TheGhostofOtto1923

We must not confuse religion with exact science. religion has a great influence on the thinking of a sociologist, phylosopher, but for mathematics and exact sciences, without proof, the words have no poinds, it is 1 + 1 = 2 or experiments which always gives the same result for the same conditions, religion does not influence the experiences, it is universal, it is 100% true for all the world or it is squarely false.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

Concerning the quran, he is an exception, he does not ask you to follow without understanding or without being convinced, on the contrary he challenges us to find him a single mistake!
The Canadian mathematician Gary miler gave a testimony on the Qur'an saying: "There is no such author who writes a book and then challenges others that this book is errorless. As for the Noble Qur'an, it is the other way round. It tells the reader that there are no errors in it and then challenges all people to find any, if any."

http://www.islamf...d-quran/
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
We must not confuse religion with exact science. religion has a great influence on the thinking of a sociologist, phylosopher
Sure but it's obviously influencing you. You're making scientific judgements you're not qualified to make. Others have shown you where your mistakes are but you demonstrate the resistance to evidence typical of any committed religionist.

You don't see the connection but I think it's pretty obvious. I've seen it before. It's a distorted way of looking at the world in general.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
he challenges us to find him a single mistake!
Well it is difficult to logically analyse text written like song lyrics. Which the authors knew full well.

But the mistakes in the Quran are the same as with the other abrahamic religions. It's predicated on a biblical people, the Hebrews, who never existed.

"Tel Aviv University archaeologist Ze'ev Herzog wrote in the Haaretz newspaper:

"This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom..."

- And the distorted mindset that compels religionists to dispute this evidence in any number of ways, is the same one that compels you to believe that the earth is flat.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
Here appears to be a systematic analysis...

"A message from an all-knowing being should not contain any errors, mistakes, or information that contradicts known facts about the universe. If even one error exists in the text of Islam's holy book then the claims of divine authorship and infallibility are not true. An objective evaluation of the Qur'an shows that it contains numerous scientific and historical errors ..."
https://wikiislam...he_Quran

-And they're typical of all the holy books.

But again since the entire premise is wrong (Hebrew slaves in egypt) nothing in the books is dependable. Including all the standard promises like immortality, wishes granted, priviledged status, retribution against enemies, absolution of guilt, miracles for your benefit, or special insight into the nature of the universe ie earth like a carpet, space like a dome... ie absolutely everything you ever wanted.

These are lies used by people to deceive others.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

Others have shown you where your mistakes are but you demonstrate the resistance


how did you judge them to be right without you even analyzing the arguments? it does not need to be learned. these are the bases of logic and physics, for example: the curvature formula of the earth, the speed of rotation, the differences in length of day and night between the two poles, etc ...
take your time and do your analyzes yourself.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
https://wikiislam...he_Quran


Most of the arguments that this article considers false revolve around the geocentric model. if you have taken the time to understand the scientific evidence, this article will no longer be useful!

geocentrism is a 1000% true thing for me, you have to see the arguments to understand, in truth it's very simple, but the problem is that we were indoctrinated, the first step is the doubt, then when we free ourselves discover by itself that heliocentrism is rightly wrong.

geocentrism is not new, in any case, tell me if these Australians are also muslim?
Flat Earth on Australian Television: https://www.youtu...GdIFbv9Q
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
how did you judge them to be right without you even analyzing the arguments? it does not need to be learned. these are the bases of logic and physics
But im not a physicist and neither are you. Another religious fallacy: god did not create a universe that can only be understood by experts.
, in truth it's very simple
No, its not.
the arguments that this article considers false revolve around the geocentric model
So youve just admitted to me that your flat earth beliefs are to support your religious beliefs. You're an onion nassim.
geocentrism is not new,
Of course not. Neither is animism. Older doesnt mean true either. If it did then you'd be a jew.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

If you do not want to take some time to try to apply the curvature formula of the earth, then you are wasting your time, and my time too.

Good night, continue to believe that the earth is a spinning ball until the media reveals the truth!

Be brave and check yourself even if the earth is flat or spherical and do not stay attached to others.

For me, I am ready to admit that the earth is a ball if you give me a proof that shows it.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018

"We are more gullible and superstitious today than we were in the Middle Ages, and an example of modern credulity is the widespread belief that the Earth is round. The average man can advance not a single reason for thinking that the Earth is round. He merely swallows this theory because there is something about it that appeals to the twentieth century mentality."

- George Bernard Shaw
in Everybody's Political What's What (1944)
http://en.wikiped...ard_Shaw
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
If you do not want to take some time to try to apply the curvature formula of the earth, then you are wasting your time, and my time too
Sorry but I rely on the opinions of experts.
For me, I am ready to admit that the earth is a ball if you give me a proof that shows it
I've given you proof that your god doesnt exist. Are you willing to admit that?

Of course not.

I suspect you've seen sphere earth proofs like this before.
https://www.metab...e.t7148/

-Are you willing to accept them?

Of course not.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
Wow I see George Bernard Shaw was very pro-islam as well.
https://chiniquy....d-islam/

- Of course that only makes me distrust his opinions while for you, just the opposite.

Shaw was many things including a communist and Fabian Socialist, as well as a 33rd degree freemason.

That should make us both suspect his opinions.

He was also pro-hitler and pro-genocide.
https://youtu.be/hQvsf2MUKRQ
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
Sorry but I rely on the opinions of experts.

So wait until these experts tell you the truth.

I've given you proof that your god doesnt exist.


That what you're saying?! Gently! Take it easy! Stop talking about the subjects you do not master!
Stay within the scientific framework of this article.

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-the-flat-earth-theory-14-ways-the-flat-earth-theory-is-false.t7148


The subject is starting to please me!
But, have you understood these arguments and you are ready to defend them before I waste my time another time refuting them?

I think not too, we have to wait for the answer of these experts!!
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
That what you're saying?! Gently! Take it easy! Stop talking about the subjects you do not master!
I gave you 2 quotes from 'masters': a jewish archeologist and the wikiislam site. They represent 1000s of other 'masters'.

I dont need to hear from religious apologists and salesmen who after much indignant pontificating always resort to 'well who can know the mind of god?' We know that if he ignored evidence that he himself created, or if he obliterated it and replaced it with totally convincing contrary evidence, then he is not the perfection he claims to be.

The brains of men have had 1000s of years to refine religious deception. Of course they have skills.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
have you understood these arguments and you are ready to defend them
I_dont_have_to. I dont need to know how to fix my transmission to drive my car. I dont have to know how to take an appendix out in order to have a surgeon remove mine.

I have confidence in the experts I posted who have debunked flat earth theory and religion. They are the same sort of people who designed my car and took out my appendix. I dont need to defend them. They defend themselves very well. Much better than I could.

I have confidence in them based on experience. You have faith in your theory and your god despite experience.

YOU cite g b shaw for gods sake.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
I gave you 2 quotes from 'masters': a jewish archeologist and the wikiislam site

The article on WikiIslam revolves around the geocentric model, something I have verified that it is true at 1000%.

For the Jewish archeologist, we can not prove that the Jews were never in Egypt by digging in Palestine, what is this logic? It is not possible to say that the American white man did not come from Europe, just by rummaging in American archaeological site?

You talked about the influence of religion on opinions and you offer me this Jewish archaeological study as proof, show me the exact sciences not tricks.

You believe that carbon 14 as little give exact results! You're wrong.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

I have confidence in the experts ..... They defend themselves very well. Much better than I could.


I think I am fortunate to have been in both clans, heliocentrism and geocentrism.

The arguments of the heliocentrism, I knew them, and I believed them, and I used them to argue, while remaining Muslim, because the Coran did not come specifically to tell us whether the Earth is flat or spherical.

But when I found out that I was wrong, it was just with scientific evidence.

I think we need to stop the discussion here.
I commented on this article to talk about the subject from a scientific point of view, not philosophical.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
The Jewish archeologist was summarizing the findings of 1000s of archeologists and field workers over the last century, digging throughout the middle east. This is clear in the quote. See how you read things with your preconceptions in mind?

Do you want the opinion of a Muslim then?

"Known to Jews as the exodus from the desert and finding the Promised Land, the parting of the waters is seen as symbolic by Dr. Zahi Hawass, Egypt's chief archaeologist who has scoured the territory... "Really, it's a myth," Hawass said. "Sometimes as archaeologists we have to say that never happened because there is no historical evidence."

-And he is one of MANY.
Nassim
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

What about the Quran about the Jews and Egypt?
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
Jewish archaeological study as proof, show me the exact sciences not tricks
You're used to finding all you need to know about the universe in one book. The 'exact sciences' comprise hundreds of studies on the hard work of 1000s of people. You need an advanced education and a lot of work to appreciate the 'exact sciences'.
What about the Quran about the Jews and Egypt?
Seriously?

"The Quran states that Moses was sent by God to the Pharaoh of Egypt and the Israelites for guidance and warning. Moses is mentioned more in the Quran than any other individual, and his life is narrated and recounted more than that of any other prophet. ... Moses/Musa is considered to be a prophetic predecessor to Muhammad."
http://exodusconv.../exodus/
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
Does it offend you that an infidel apparently knows more about your book than you do?

More importantly, does it offend your god?

No, I fear nassim will not be sleeping very well tonight.
Nassim
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
And what do archaeologists say?
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
I fear nassim will not be sleeping very well tonight.


I told you I'm objective, I'm looking for the truth first.
About the Prophet Moses, I know well what is Allah said about him, but I just want to understand how you argue that what mentioned in the Quran is wrong??

TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
Uh he didn't exist.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

"The Quran states that Moses was sent by God to the Pharaoh of Egypt and the Israelites for guidance and warning. Moses is mentioned more in the Quran than any other individual, and his life is narrated and recounted more than that of any other prophet. ... Moses/Musa is considered to be a prophetic predecessor to Muhammad."


How you argue that what mentioned in the Quran is wrong??

TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
I dont understand. I gave you the reasons and provided some evidence. Are you asking how I have the balls to question your holy book?

My brain is my balls sir.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

First, if you believe that if archaeologists do not find traces for Jews to Egypt is a proof that all that has been mentioned in the Qur'an is wrong, then you are wrong.

Second, are you sure he will find no trace? see this:
Red Sea: Archaeologists Discover Remains of the Egyptian Army From the Biblical Exodus
http://worldnewsd...-exodus/

Many clues on the site have brought Professor Gader and his team to conclude that the bodies could be linked to the famous episode of the Exodus. First of all, the ancient soldiers seem to have died on dry ground, since no traces of boats or ships have been found in the area. The positions of the bodies and the fact that they were stuck in a vast quantity of clay and rock, implie that they could have died in a mudslide or a tidal wave.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
You trolling me dude?

"Report is False - Comes Via Fake-News Site World News Daily Report
"However, the story is nonsense. No such discovery has been made. In fact, the entire story was simply made up.

"The main image in the false report, which depicts a diver holding a skull underwater, was stolen from an article describing the discovery of an ancient skeleton in flooded caves in Mexico.

"The bogus story comes from the fake-news website World News Daily Report, which bills itself as satirical. None of the reports published on the site are true. The site includes the following information on a disclaimer page:

"WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content."

- Is this the kind of garbage you think is facts???
Mimath224
not rated yet Feb 14, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923, Ha, you must like a good argument judging from above. I don't want to join your discussion and this is really a 'one-off'. AD biblical writings were probably handed down from ancient Sumer and the Babylonians as there several (if not many) similarities in the stories. Nassim would do well to do some research there. Here's why. Although I admire many things about them the Sumerians never developed a formal scientific approach and never aspired to question the fundamentals. Without such development, although good at practical maths etc., they were doomed to make serious errors. And guess what, they thought the Earth was flat. it would seem to me that Nassim hasn't found his way out of that maze.
Nassim
not rated yet Feb 15, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923

And on RT?
https://arabic.rt...
yep
5 / 5 (1) Feb 15, 2018
Fake news, it was made, up a satire, not real. Thats the problem Nassim you can't distinguish between a blatent lie and an obvious truth.
The Abrahamic religions Muslims, Jews, Christians, are state sponsored religions. They were fabricated from more ancient stories as stated above by Mimath. We know this because we have evidence of these older writings with the same stories just different names. These beliefs are groomed so people will tithe and die for them. It's a big business and lots of people profit.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 15, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923, @yep, @Mimath224

you push me to discuss about a subject that I do not want!
you are against religions, and it is not easy to convince you otherwise, because your thought is also a belief, and to convince you, I need irrefutable arguments, and it takes time.

concerning archeology, I told you that she can prove the story, but she can not deny it, because if we do not find traces yet it does not automatically mean that they do not exist.

Especially for the history of Moes, it requires a lot of research and analysis, because in the Quran, there are not many details, such as the number of Jews, dates ets ...

Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 15, 2018
Sorry, for the author of this article, I am forced to comment outside the subject of the earth.

Regarding Islam, you must first do your research about the life of the Prophet peace and blessings of Allah on him, check if he really copied the Qur'an from the other books? how did he know things that science has just discovered?

read the quotes of the famous about Islam and its prophet, do your checking, take your time to know the basis of the Arabic language so that you would not be victim of the thoughts of the translators!

I share two links, do your research yourself.

1) A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History by Michael H. Hart
http://www.iupui....ml?id=61

2) QUOTATIONS FROM FAMOUS PEOPLE
http://www.themod...mmad.htm
Mimath224
not rated yet Feb 15, 2018
@Nassim, Ha, just what 'on Earth' (pun intended) are you mumbling about. My comment on the ancient Sumerians is right on topic in both religions AND flat Earth. I don't suppose they were the first to worship the sky but at present the evidence says they were to the first give names to their deities and worship them in buildings of some kind. I suspect that you don't wish to consider studying such topics because;one...it would take years;two...you would really find out how and why present religions, and flat Earth, came from. You keep on about 'go and experiment yourself', well I suggest you do the same. Find out why ancient maths was so right yet philosophies were so wrong. I suppose you'll take the easy way out and quote those '200 proofs' again.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 15, 2018
you push me to discuss about a subject that I do not want!
you are against religions
Your religion IS the subject. Religions teach believers to ignore evidence from birth. No wonder you were so naive regarding that fake news article. No wonder you think g b shaw had something meaningful to say about science. No wonder you believe the earth is flat.

Disdain for evidence - one of the many reasons we know religion is evil.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 15, 2018
Nassims reference
1) A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History by Michael H. Hart

-puts Muhammad at #1. Did you notice that #2 is Isaac Newton? He knew the earth is a sphere.

Muhammad invented the most virulent purpose-built religion of all time.

Newton "a key figure in the scientific revolution... removed the last doubts about the validity of the heliocentric model of the Solar System and demonstrated that the motion of objects on Earth and of celestial bodies could be accounted for by the same principles."

-Which influence has benefited humanity more?
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 15, 2018
For worldnewsdailyreport, I found the information in several Egyptian sites in Arabic, I searched in google for English articles for you to read, unfortunately the link I shared with you was that of worldnewsdailyreport, and since this, you do not stop repeating this story fake news, while you can not even understand the formula of curvature of the earth or that of flattening !!

So please ask RT to rectify their mistake too: https://ar.rt.com/jc5v

I told you from the start, discuss ideas not people!

Why did not you discuss the main idea I wanted to share with you? why are you always leaving the subject?

if we have not yet found traces for an event that is more than 3000 years old at least, it does not necessarily mean that it did not happen! okay or not?
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 15, 2018
how did he know things that science has just discovered?
He didn't. His book was written in a way that made it easy to read things into it that aren't there. But

"An objective evaluation of the Qur'an shows that it contains numerous scientific and historical errors and reflects a pre-scientific, 7th century view of the natural world."
https://wikiislam...he_Quran
take your time to know the basis of the Arabic language so that you would not be victim of the thoughts of the translators!
Funny you distrust translators but you trust your own religious interpreters who are obviously prone to interpreting your book in a favorable light. Would you expect them to do otherwise?

When you've been taught to distrust evidence from birth, the objective interpretation of it can be difficult. You have to learn how.

I once downloaded an interactive app of the Quran on my iphone and it deleted all my music. Miracle or subterfuge?
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 15, 2018
do not stop repeating this story fake news
Nassim. The site itself says its fake news. Satire. They SAY they made it up.

Doesn't matter how many pinheads and wishful thinkers and deceivers repeat it.

It's like that crap about god having a son - and a mother! Look at how many people repeat that. References all over the place.

It doesn't make you believe it does it?
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 15, 2018
if we have not yet found traces for an event that is more than 3000 years old at least, it does not necessarily mean that it did not happen! okay or not?
Not only absence of evidence, but tons of contradictory evidence. For instance, irrespective of those fake egyptian skulls at the bottom of the red sea, in reality the Egyptian army occupied all of the Sinai and Palestine during the entire time the Israelites were supposedly wandering around in the desert and ethnically cleansing the holy land. We know because they've found the garrisons the army lived in throughout the region.

It didn't drown at the bottom of the red sea. And because Palestine was an Egyptian province the whole time, their army would have fought to prevent the destruction.

And that's only one factoid of hundreds that convince us that those stories are all myths.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 15, 2018
I once downloaded an interactive app of the Quran on my iphone and it deleted all my music. Miracle or subterfuge?

you have to ask the developer of the application !
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 15, 2018
I think i already know the answer. Someone did not want their sacred text occupying the same chip as AC/DC.

Same reason ortho jews will leave out the 'o' in God on the internet, in case they accidently delete it.
https://reformjud...tead-god

-Gives new meaning to the term 'corrupted disk'.
yep
not rated yet Feb 16, 2018
Regarding Islam, you must first do your research about the life of the Prophet peace and blessings of Allah on him...read the quotes of the famous about Islam and its prophet, do your checking, take your time to know the basis of the Arabic language so that you would not be victim of the thoughts of the translators?


I have done enough research to know the earliest version of the Quran was Syro-Aramaic the Arabic version, the first book ever written in Arabic, has been misread for generations. Unfortunately you are the victim of translators, just as you are a victim of your own mind.
You might want to start by learning history first, and then try to wrap your mind around science because right now you fail at both.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 16, 2018
@yep
do not be the type who believes in all that the enemies of Islam say, without checking the history of the prophet, and how he was initially illiterate-he could not read or write-and he knew neither neither Cristianity nor Syro-Aramaic.

He was nicknamed the honest and the faithful, no one could blame anyone.

If what you say is true, the Jews and Christians of the time would have discovered it and did not wait for Christoph Luxenberg to discover it.

To learn first the Arabic language, and to master the good without reading anything of the Koran, you will discover two type of text; Poetry and prose. then read the Qur'an and tell me if this Quran is like the words of the human being. the Arabs who competed on the poems and gave great importance to the Arabic language, recognized that the words of the Koran are, without doubt, words of the god, impossible that it is the words of a human being. it's called "The linguistic proof"
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 16, 2018
@yep

I did a test with a Christian, my first year in university, I was in the bus, I talked with him, he told me that he is a Christian, he told me that he did not know a lot of the Koran, he did not study the Islamic sciences during his career, but he did the Arabic language, I read him some of the Koran, he was really shocked, he recognized me that it is totally different from any Arabic text already read!

Be like Arthur Stanley Tritton, and seriously take your time and check the arguments of the Muslim and counter arguments.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 16, 2018
Well since we know that the abrahamic religions are all based on a false narrative, ie that there were 2M Hebrew slaves that escaped Egypt, wandered the desert for 40 years, rampaged through Palestine destroying over 200 cities, towns, and villages, and established great solomonic/davidic kingdoms... none of which ever happened... then we cannot trust ANY of the stories of their origin.

Especially if those stories all come from a single source, that being the books which contain these myths, and which claim these myths are true.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 16, 2018
"104. Verily! Those who believe not in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, Allah will not guide them and theirs will be a painful torment.

105. It is only those who believe not in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, who fabricate falsehood, and it is they who are liars.

106. Whoever disbelieved in Allah after his belief, except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a great torment."

- No matter what language you read this in, the meaning is simple and clear. And it can be found in ALL the holy books: if you question, you will suffer and die.

-These are the sort of threats people make against people, not honorable, confident, moral, self-respecting gods.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 16, 2018
Jesus the kind, loving, compassionate god of infinite mercy will nevertheless fry you for eternity if you are tempted by all the evidence that he himself left strewn about, that he never existed.

God LIES to us in order to find out how much we TRUST him. What the hell kind of covenant is this???

The holy books at the core are instructions for domestication. The flock is repeatedly tempted and those who do not conform are culled.

This is how you produce decent mutton, not decent human beings.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 16, 2018
recognized that the words of the Koran are, without doubt, words of the god, impossible that it is the words of a human being. it's called "The linguistic proof"
Hmmm and these claims of perfection are made by imperfect humans? And not just any humans but muslims whose objectivity is obviously in doubt?

Like yep says you are the victim of translators.
yep
1 / 5 (1) Feb 16, 2018
No enemies of Islam just scholars who want the truth to be told. Christians also get mad when older texts are revealed not to be as they believed, but that does not change the truth. Religions are the products of men to control other men's deeds and actions. Abrahamic religions are state sponsered propaganda and history confirms this. This is why faith is blind because to see the truth would end them.
Nassim
3 / 5 (1) Feb 17, 2018
there were 2M Hebrew slaves that escaped Egypt, wandered the desert for 40 years.


The Quran does not speak of this number 2M, it is not mentioned the number, but it is not so big! it is certainly one of the modifications made on the Torah.

https://translate...cles/820

https://translate...les/1268

https://translate...0/32339/
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 17, 2018
Like yep says you are the victim of translators.


Islam is not a religion of imitation and blind obedience.

It is known that God accepts you only with complete certainty and complete satisfaction with Islam. Islam is not a religion of imitation and obedience to blind obedience, as in Christianity or elsewhere. It is necessary to be fully convinced.

That's why, concerning the subject of the flat earth, I tried to convince you to verify yourself the heliocentric model, to check it in details, phenomenon by phenomenon and not to imitate behind the leaders of the plot that will not last in all the case, do not tell me THEORY OF COMPLOT, do your checks, have the doubt at least once, then make your decision after verification.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 17, 2018
About Syro-Aramaic
I want you to prove that what Christophe said is true but I will dictate to you some conditions.

I want you to be an orphan ... an Arab ... an illiterate ... a desert dweller ...
I want you to be honest honest, witness you all of the Jews and Christians and pagans and not for five years or even ten years .. But I want to be honest honest witness to you all for forty years!

Then I want you to start your search now - after your ad that you are the Prophet of God - and after you fought your family on the one hand and the Jews on the other ..
I want you to "write" this book for 23 years, and study the following languages: Aramaic, Nabatian, Ancient Egyptian, Persian, Abyssinian, Greek, Hebrew, Akkadian, Canaanite and other languages.
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 17, 2018
About Syro-Aramaic [next 1]
Not only that, but also to study the Talmud and Syriac literature, Hebrew and Greek literature and the rejected and rejected Gospels of the Church and the Apocrypha Old and New Testament, and every book written in Judaism and Christianity ... and I want you to master the localization of words and names as well .. Or rather, I want you to summarize a whole library of 3000 books in one book only without contradicting yourself .. No, but I want you to speak in two styles, one Koran and the other year, one more eloquent than the other .... Remember that you do not contradict yourself!
Nassim
1 / 5 (1) Feb 17, 2018
About Syro-Aramaic [next 2]

No, but I want you to speak in two styles, one Quran and the SUNNA,

And then, and you are in the middle of all wars and problems and the hostility of all to you, you have to speak words defy the whole of humanity, and challenge the Arabs people of language and fluency, put all your research - which I did in the midst of wars - and then say that this A clear Arabic talk and ask your companions to write what your tongue has spoken for 23 years ... And whenever a specific event comes, you will speak words that everyone defies.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (1) Feb 17, 2018
About Syro-Aramaic...

No, but I want you to speak ... Quran and the SUNNA,

And then, and you are in the middle of all wars and problems and the hostility of all to you, you have to speak words defy the whole of humanity, and challenge the Arabs people of language and fluency, put all your research - which I did in the midst of wars - ... to write what your tongue has spoken for 23 years ...... you will speak words that everyone defies.

And this has to do with 'flat Earth'? Many years ago I had a Muslim friend and among numerous conversations he maintained that he was taught Earth was 'egg' shape ', the 'spread out' meant vast not flat. That the various passages, the almighty was referring vastness of fruitful habitation and roots of words used now also say nothing of Earth's shape. If you have been taught the Earth is flat then say so and move on. We aren't going to convince you it isn't and you aren't going to convince us it is. There endeth the last lesson!
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 17, 2018
The Quran does not speak of this number 2M, it is not mentioned the number, but it is not so big! it is certainly one of the modifications made on the Torah
No it has been assumed by the descriptions in the books of what they did in Palestine.

I know you think your book is the only authority. But since none of it happened, none are really very reliable yes?
vastness of fruitful habitation and roots of words used now also say nothing of Earth's shape
Like a carpet. With the dome of heaven above. Maybe like this?
http://bestmoviec...line.jpg

(Rough appoximation)

Oop is this a craven image? I know dogs are unclean... maybe until you shampoo them?
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 17, 2018
And then, and you are in the middle of all wars and problems and the hostility of all to you
The religions that have survived have done so because they have been better at outgrowing and overrunning the competition. To do this they force their women, one way or another, to make babies until it kills them.

THIS is the root cause of all the wars in the world today.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 17, 2018
Or rather, I want you to summarize a whole library of 3000 books in one book only without contradicting yourself
Details are superfluous. The surviving religions are all identical in what they promise and what they expect you to do in return.

Simply put, they promise you absolutely everything you ever wanted including the biggie, escape from death. But in return you have to believe that unbelievers cannot be good or honest or decent or trustworthy, and you are expected to treat them accordingly.

If religionists were allowed to discuss and compare their beliefs, this would soon become obvious. They might even conclude that that religion is all one thing, and it's all BAD.
It is necessary to be fully convinced
-Or you might just want to live forever in paradise rather than hell, and be willing to believe anything for it.
Mimath224
not rated yet Feb 17, 2018
@TheGhostofOtto1923
Like a carpet. With the dome of heaven above. Maybe like this?
http://bestmoviec...line.jpg
(Rough appoximation)
Oop is this a craven image? I know dogs are unclean... maybe until you shampoo them?

Ha! Yeah, maybe not quite like that and funny you should mention 'carpet' because my friend used to say '...carpet...cylindrical...' or something of the like. But that was a long time ago and my memory isn't what it used to be. Anyway, I'll leave it you and Nassim to continue while I give this thread a rest now. Take care of yourselves and have a nice day.
TheGhostofOtto1923
not rated yet Feb 17, 2018
"Until it kills them."

"These numbers indicate that there is a real problem in Islamic and Arabic countries, and that shouldn't be a problem because women do not die from disease but during the normal, life-enhancing process of procreation.

"Causes of maternal deaths:
The medical causes
Direct causes: about (80%)

Haemorrhag

Sepsis

Hypertensive disorders of pregnancy, particularly eclampsia

Prolonged or obstructed labour

Complications of unsafe abortion..."

@mimath don't let me chase you off it's past my bedtime.

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