Juno probes the depths of Jupiter's great red spot

December 12, 2017, Jet Propulsion Laboratory
NASA's Juno probes the depths of Jupiter's great red spot
Winds around Jupiter's Great Red Spot are simulated in this JunoCam view that has been animated using a model of the winds there. The wind model, called a velocity field, was derived from data collected by NASA's Voyager spacecraft and Earth-based telescopes. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/SwRI/MSSS/Gerald Eichstadt/Justin Cowart

Data collected by NASA's Juno spacecraft during its first pass over Jupiter's Great Red Spot in July 2017 indicate that this iconic feature penetrates well below the clouds. Other revelations from the mission include that Jupiter has two previously uncharted radiation zones. The findings were announced Monday at the annual American Geophysical Union meeting in New Orleans.

"One of the most basic questions about Jupiter's Great Red Spot is: how deep are the roots?" said Scott Bolton, Juno's principal investigator from the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio. "Juno data indicate that the solar system's most famous storm is almost one-and-a-half Earths wide, and has roots that penetrate about 200 miles (300 kilometers) into the planet's atmosphere."

The science instrument responsible for this in-depth revelation was Juno's Microwave Radiometer (MWR). "Juno's Microwave Radiometer has the unique capability to peer deep below Jupiter's clouds," said Michael Janssen, Juno co-investigator from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. "It is proving to be an excellent instrument to help us get to the bottom of what makes the Great Red Spot so great."

Jupiter's Great Red Spot is a giant oval of crimson-colored clouds in Jupiter's southern hemisphere that race counterclockwise around the oval's perimeter with wind speeds greater than any storm on Earth. Measuring 10,000 miles (16,000 kilometers) in width as of April 3, 2017, the Great Red Spot is 1.3 times as wide as Earth.

This graphic shows a new radiation zone Juno detected surrounding Jupiter, located just above the atmosphere near the equator. Also indicated are regions of high-energy, heavy ions Juno observed at high latitudes. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/SwRI/JHUAPL
"Juno found that the Great Red Spot's roots go 50 to 100 times deeper than Earth's oceans and are warmer at the base than they are at the top," said Andy Ingersoll, professor of planetary science at Caltech and a Juno co-investigator. "Winds are associated with differences in temperature, and the warmth of the spot's base explains the ferocious winds we see at the top of the atmosphere."

The future of the Great Red Spot is still very much up for debate. While the storm has been monitored since 1830, it has possibly existed for more than 350 years. In the 19th century, the Great Red Spot was well over two Earths wide. But in modern times, the Great Red Spot appears to be diminishing in size, as measured by Earth-based telescopes and spacecraft. At the time NASA's Voyagers 1 and 2 sped by Jupiter on their way to Saturn and beyond, in 1979, the Great Red Spot was twice Earth's diameter. Today, measurements by Earth-based telescopes indicate the oval that Juno flew over has diminished in width by one-third and height by one-eighth since Voyager times.

Juno also has detected a new radiation zone, just above the gas giant's atmosphere, near the equator. The zone includes energetic hydrogen, oxygen and sulfur ions moving at almost light speed.

"The closer you get to Jupiter, the weirder it gets," said Heidi Becker, Juno's radiation monitoring investigation lead at JPL. "We knew the radiation would probably surprise us, but we didn't think we'd find a new radiation zone that close to the planet. We only found it because Juno's unique orbit around Jupiter allows it to get really close to the cloud tops during science collection flybys, and we literally flew through it."

This figure gives a look down into Jupiter's Great Red Spot, using data from the microwave radiometer instrument onboard NASA's Juno spacecraft. Each of the instrument's six channels is sensitive to microwaves from different depths beneath the clouds. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/SwRI

The new zone was identified by the Jupiter Energetic Particle Detector Instrument (JEDI) investigation. The particles are believed to be derived from energetic neutral atoms (fast-moving ions with no electric charge) created in the gas around the Jupiter moons Io and Europa. The neutral atoms then become ions as their electrons are stripped away by interaction with the upper atmosphere of Jupiter.

Juno also found signatures of a high-energy heavy ion population within the inner edges of Jupiter's relativistic electron radiation belt—a region dominated by electrons moving close to the speed of light. The signatures are observed during Juno's high-latitude encounters with the electron belt, in regions never explored by prior spacecraft. The origin and exact species of these particles is not yet understood. Juno's Stellar Reference Unit (SRU-1) star camera detects the signatures of this population as extremely high noise signatures in images collected by the mission's radiation monitoring investigation.

To date, Juno has completed eight science passes over Jupiter. Juno's ninth science pass will be on Dec. 16.

Juno launched on Aug. 5, 2011, from Cape Canaveral, Florida, and arrived in orbit around Jupiter on July 4, 2016. During its mission of exploration, Juno soars low over the planet's cloud tops—as close as about 2,100 miles (3,400 kilometers). During these flybys, Juno is probing beneath the obscuring cloud cover of Jupiter and studying its auroras to learn more about the planet's origins, structure, atmosphere and magnetosphere.

Explore further: Juno spacecraft to fly over Jupiter's Great Red Spot July 10

More information: More information on the Juno mission is available at www.nasa.gov/juno

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RogueParticle
5 / 5 (9) Dec 12, 2017
Juno also found signatures of a high-energy heavy ion population within the inner edges of Jupiter's relativistic electron radiation belt
Oh dear - ions and relativity in the same sentence. Expect the worst from the EUdiots...
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Dec 12, 2017
@RogueParticle.
"Juno also found signatures of a high-energy heavy ion population within the inner edges of Jupiter's relativistic electron radiation belt"
Oh dear - ions and relativity in the same sentence. Expect the worst from the EUdiots...
Why keep perpetuating old prejudices/feuds? Sure, some of EU 'ideas/claims' are crap; but not all. A true and fair scientists objectively sifts through any 'dross' to find any 'gems' which mainstream scientists MISSED (hence the "surprises" they keep experiencing as the PLASMA phenomena is discovered more and more UBIQUITOUSLY by the above objective endeavours to find what is actually happening 'out there' which may not have been previously suspected due to previous simplistic theoretical assumptions). Give credit where credit is due, mate: at least the 'findings' of self-sorting E-M phenomena into 'currents/layers' etc of plasma/charge is NOT a "suprise" to "EU" crowd, hey? Try to be constructive/fair/objective. :)
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (5) Dec 13, 2017
Why keep perpetuating old prejudices/feuds? Sure, some of EU 'ideas/claims' are crap; but not all. A true and fair scientists objectively sifts through any 'dross' to find any 'gems' which mainstream scientists MISSED
Why? to wind up self-important, if-you'll-just-accept-me-as-a-moderator-here-I'll-feel-a-lot-better-about-myself whingers and bottom-feeders like you, that's why.

Go and do something useful like picking up all that kangaroo shit outside your billabong. Or learn some science, whatever, "mate".

And fuck objectivity when it comes to talking with boneheads like you, I'll save that for those with some good common sense, or those with a decent grounding in science.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 13, 2017
@Rogue Particle.
Why keep perpetuating old prejudices/feuds? Sure, some of EU 'ideas/claims' are crap; but not all. A true and fair scientists objectively sifts through any 'dross' to find any 'gems'...
Why? to wind up self-important, if-you'll-just-accept-me-as-a-moderator-here-I'll-feel-a-lot-better-about-myself whingers and bottom-feeders like you, that's why.
...
And fuck objectivity when it comes to talking with boneheads like you, I'll save that for those with some good common sense, or those with a decent grounding in science.
Unfortunately, your response shows you put your own petty personal prejudices/ego/ignorance above the objectivity required by scientific method/discourse. Moreover, you seem to have missed recent mainstream astro/cosmo/quantum physics discoveries/reviews increasingly agreeing with ME; and NOT you and your type who have been wrong all along (as I have been pointing out). So I'm MORE "useful" than LOSERS like you/them. Do better, mate.
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (6) Dec 14, 2017
So I'm MORE "useful" than LOSERS like you/them
Ho ho ho - street-sweepers are more useful and more productive than the ticks, leeches and parasites, like yourself, who suck on the body scientific and the work of those who are truly productive, and then proclaim themselves to be neglected geniuses. How's that TOE of yours coming on - any chance of seeing it published soon? Nah, didn't think so...
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 14, 2017
@RogueParticle.
Ho ho ho -
Santa, is that you? :)
street-sweepers are more useful and more productive than the ticks, leeches and parasites, like yourself, who suck on the body scientific and the work of those who are truly productive, and then proclaim themselves to be neglected geniuses. How's that TOE of yours coming on - any chance of seeing it published soon? Nah, didn't think so...
What you babbling about? It's ME who has been pointing out the errors in old and discredited fantasies from previous mainstream claims/fantasies; LONG before recent mainstream finally came round to MY longstanding observations and corrections based on ORIGINAL work (and NOT the OLD herd mentality crap postulated by BB etc HACKS and parroting cheerleaders like you/them, RP). So you need to first get acquainted with the reality before you again pretend to know anything worth knowing and opining from bias/ignorance like you have admitted to doing, RP.

Be/Do better for Santa, RP! :)
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (4) Dec 14, 2017
RealityCheck = ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 15, 2017
@RogueParticle.
RealityCheck = ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME...
Envy is a terrible thing, especially when combined (as in you so far) with overweening ego, ignorance and malicious troll character. Your above unreasoning response is symptomatic of your incoherent rage against those that are correct and challenge your trolling stupidities and utter disregard for the very foundational principles and values of The Scientific Method and Discourse: OBJECTIVITY. Now, RP, the FORUM will note that it's YOU that 'made it about me'; because you can't stand ME being increasingly confirmed correct by mainstream while you troll in your ignorance and stupidity as Real Science Advances despite you and like-loser troll gangs 'irrelevant juvenile noise'. Do/Be better for Santa, RP! :)
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (7) Dec 16, 2017
because you can't stand ME being increasingly confirmed correct by mainstream
Hey, everybody, it's all about ME. Again!

Nobody CARES a hoot whether you were right or wrong about anything. What people find so tiresome about your constant whining about how great you are is that you can't or won't grasp that fact: that, and your over-weening pride in your small abilities. Let's face it Sam: you've carved out a place in this forum by shouting a lot about how fantastic you are - by sheer sonic pressure - because, like anybody else who cries out for attention, outside of it you have nothing. Big deal.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2017
@RogueParticle.
because you can't stand ME being increasingly confirmed correct by mainstream
Hey, everybody, it's all about ME. Again!
You only have yourself to blame, for making it about ME in the first place, mate! :)
Nobody CARES a hoot whether you were right or wrong about anything. What people find so tiresome about your constant whining about how great you are is that you can't or won't grasp that fact: that, and your over-weening pride in your small abilities. Let's face it Sam: you've carved out a place in this forum by shouting a lot about how fantastic you are - by sheer sonic pressure - because, like anybody else who cries out for attention, outside of it you have nothing. Big deal.
So you choose to remain ignorant and insult me rather than paying heed to someone whom you dislike, despite me being confirmed correct on the science all along on many fronts? Why are you even here then, RP, if you are not objective or care about CORRECT science?
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (7) Dec 16, 2017
me being confirmed correct on the science all along on many fronts
Me, I, self, look over here everybody, here I am. Yes, ME, I'm a great scientist, I've been right all along, when all those mainstream scientists just screw up all the time. I'm just brilliant, I am, basically a genius, no wait a minute, I'm THE genius, I am. You just don't realize just how amazing I AM, so I'll just tell you: I'M AMAZING, people. Still don't get it? Look back at all my posts and you'll see PROOF there of how RIGHT I've been when all those scientist FOOLS just don't know how to do REAL science like ME, not just ANY science, but on SO MANY FRONTS, it's like I only have to blink and suddenly the TRUTH appears before me, and I have to come here to APPRAISE you all of my GENIUS, and how I get all this science stuff SO RIGHT, it's just so blindingly OBVIOUS to me how science should be conducted, but you FOOLS just won't listen, and ... pauses for breath ...

Samuel - you're a broken record. Mate.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2017
@RogueParticle.
me being confirmed correct on the science all along on many fronts
Me, I, self, look over here everybody, here I am. Yes, ME, I'm a great scientist, I've been right all along, when all those mainstream scientists just screw up all the time. I'm just brilliant, I am, basically a genius, no wait a minute, I'm THE genius, I am..
Mate, consider:

- I would NOT have to say anything of the kind IF posters kept to OBJECTIVE SCIENCE and NOT 'make it about' the PERSON in the first place, so necessitating self-defense REMINDERS when I AM correct and my attackers NOT so.

- Since when does one being correct all along 'disqualify' one from pointing that out when the SCIENCE discussion requires it for readers to get straight what IS correct and what NOT?

- You need to lose SUBJECTIVE personal animosity/feud mentality, and get OBJECTIVE mind/attitude, IF you are to be in any position to 'judge' me or anyone else let alone the science issues involved.

OK? :)
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (7) Dec 16, 2017
I would NOT have to say anything of the kind...
Wrong, buster, you'd say it anyway. Because you desperately need the attention and, frankly, anyone who carries on in the way you do is pretty ill. Far from disliking you, or judging you, I just feel pity for you. But that doesn't stop me from trying to get you to WAKE UP, to see just how disruptive your actions here often are, and how unacceptable your constant bitching can be about how good you are, or how right you are.

Again: nobody here CARES whether you're right or wrong, or black or white, or up or down, or if you got there first in some race. Fact is, you don't conduct scientific research, you don't publish in peer-reviewed journals - hell, you don't even use any math in your TOE which purports to be an explanation of "The Nature, Origin, Structure & Mechanics of Everything". No math = no science. Your TOE is a bunch of hot air and fancy sentences signifying nothing, like your preposterous claims in this forum.

RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2017
@RogueParticle.
Wrong, buster, you'd say it anyway.
Denial! :)
But that doesn't stop me from trying to get you to WAKE UP, to see just how disruptive your actions here often are,...
Being correct and objective re the science/discourse is now "being disruptive"? Maybe to IGNORANT TROLL GANGS not interested in those things, hey! :)
Again: nobody here CARES whether you're right or wrong, or black or white, or up or down, or if you got there first in some race.
Tell that to the Nobel Committee and all 'mainstreamers' dreaming of same!
...you don't publish in peer-reviewed journals - hell, you don't even use any math in your TOE which purports to be an explanation.... No math = no science.
You did not know that I am working out the Reality-based maths for modeling it....BEFORE I PUBLISH COMPLETE?
Your TOE is a bunch of hot air and fancy sentences signifying nothing...
Like 'mainstream' String Theory, BB, Inflation, DM/DE etc, you mean? Denial! :)
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (6) Dec 16, 2017
I am working out the Reality-based maths for modeling it
So, you started with some kind of qualitative "I reckon the Universe works like this... and this..." story, and now you're attempting to shore it up and glue it all together with some top-quality math and all. Hoo-boy, it doesn't work like that, chum. If math isn't in a theory from get-go, it ain't scientific. Didn't they teach you that at high school? That math isn't something you can just bolt to anything you like, with any shape at all that drips out of your cranium?

The reason why accepted standard scientific theories work the way they do, and as well as they do, is that they were carefully crafted from the ground up, little by little, with each small advance being expressed in mathematical formulae, and each such advance being based on earlier ones. So, the whole structure of science has math as an integral set of scaffolding. Your approach, typical of non-scientists so eager to impress, is a non-starter.

RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 17, 2017
@RogueParticle.
I am working out the Reality-based maths for modeling it
So, you started with some kind of qualitative "I reckon the Universe works like this... and this..." story, and now you're attempting to shore it up and glue it all together with some top-quality math and all
CONGRATULATIONS, RP!.....you have just described the VERY PROCESS by which Einstein created and developed his Special Relativity and General Relativity theories!
The reason why accepted standard scientific theories work the way they do, and as well as they do, is that they were carefully crafted from the ground up, little by little, with each small advance being expressed in mathematical formulae, and each such advance being based on earlier ones.
And they STILL CANNOT get their 'maths' to work! Which is why mainstream CANNOT EVER COMPLETE 'their' ToE; because their UNREALITY-based 'maths' keeps 'blowing up' into UNREAL, UNDEFINED, NONSENSE. Hence my work on a REALITY-based maths. :)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 17, 2017
PS @RogueParticle.

Ok, mate; now you are better informed about ME and MY ORIGINAL WORK on BOTH the Reality-based PHYSICS ToE as well as the REALITY-based MATHS capable of actually MODELING the Universal Phenomena Set CONSISTENT WITH the Reality from Infinitesimal-to-Infinite scale. Good!

So, RP, mate, how about YOU? Would you be so kind as to reciprocate?

DO tell ME and PO FORUM what YOU have done/are doing to advance the objective science and understandings towards the ultimate ToE/Maths Theory/Model. Don't be shy, mate; you haven't been shy about trolling/attacking ME with your ignorance and malice; so how abut you tell us all about YOU, hey? Go on, RP, DO TELL, we are 'all ears' to hear what you think makes you fit t even post on a science forum (let alone attack ME who is being increasingly confirmed correct all along by recent mainstream discoveries/reviews....I just threw that in for you, since you have been so happy to 'make it about ME' so far). :)
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (7) Dec 17, 2017
It's at the point when the very evidently mentally-ill (YOU) claim that they're Jesus or Napoleon, or such a towering genius that they're on the verge of replacing stupid little Albert's SR (confirmed trillions of times per day) and GR (not yet disproven after 100 years of trying hard to do so) with their own, REALLY special version of math, despite never having shown any aptitude for the subject - and then to go much further and claim they have a Theory of Everything - that onlookers ("they", whose math works just fine thanks) just shake their heads in pity and wonder at the poor lunatic's antics, and just walk away, back to reality...

Whatever, dude, you are just such a hopeless basket case.
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (6) Dec 17, 2017
we are 'all ears' to hear what you think makes you fit t even post on a science forum
I filled in the form, dude. Duh.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 17, 2017
@RogueParticle.
It's at the point when the very evidently mentally-ill (YOU) claim that they're Jesus or Napoleon, or such a towering genius that they're on the verge of replacing stupid little Albert's SR (confirmed trillions of times per day) and GR (not yet disproven after 100 years of trying hard to do so) with their own, REALLY special version of math, despite never having shown any aptitude for the subject - and then to go much further and claim they have a Theory of Everything - that onlookers ("they", whose math works just fine thanks) just shake their heads in pity and wonder at the poor lunatic's antics,...
You are 'projecting' and 'in denial mode' now, RP. Not healthy. Stop it. Just admit you are merely 'the latest cab-off-the-rank' envious internet loser trolling in ignorance and malice; self-evidently incapable/unwilling to be objective let alone having any scruples. RP, your EGO is perverting your INTELLECT and CHARACTER! Be/Do better, RP. Try! :)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 17, 2017
@RogueParticle.
we are 'all ears' to hear what you think makes you fit t even post on a science forum
I filled in the form, dude. Duh.
So, "Form Filling" is now a SCIENCE DISCIPLINE? :)

Come come, RP; why so shy and evasive, all of a sudden? Are you ashamed of yourself and your ignorance and malice?

You had no such qualms when trolling ME; so DO tell us all about YOU; and what ORIGINAL WORK YOU have done in science/math that you think justifies your trolling here.

Don't be shy, RP! I'm sure any psychologists and psychiatrists happening across these pages will be VERY 'interested' to know exactly who/what is behind your anonymous trolling here. :)

Seriously, RP, you've 'got hold of the wrong end of the stick' about me and my work. Let it go; try to start afresh; objective and less malicious. Personal feuds do not help anyone, let alone science and humanity. Good luck. :)
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (7) Dec 17, 2017
@RC - sigh, the reason you get called out is that you go on all the time about yourself and your achievements (which are in themselves nothing to write home about), which is something most sensible, balanced and informed people were told NEVER to do, since it would indicate to anyone and everyone that one is a boor and has no self-respect. You've very evidently never learned such a lesson; why is anybody's guess. Personally, I'd go for D-K or psychosis or narcissistic personality disorder, or an unholy mix of all three, since I've met people with such conditions.

Your posts here in this forum are full of hubris, arrogance, self-importance and conceit and show every sign of your being incapable of learning how properly to comport yourself in a social context. But none of this should come as any surprise to you, since you cannot have gone through life without having been diagnosed as suffering from one of the above, or similar, pathological conditions, and treated for them.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 18, 2017
@RogueParticle.
sigh, the reason you get called out is that you go on all the time about yourself and your achievements (which are in themselves nothing to write home about), which is something most sensible, balanced and informed people were told NEVER to do, since it would indicate to anyone and everyone that one is a boor and has no self-respect. You've very evidently never learned such a lesson; why is anybody's guess. Personally, I'd go for D-K or psychosis or narcissistic personality disorder, or an unholy mix of all three, since I've met people with such conditions.
Being supposedly "called out" by IGNORANT TROLL GANGS is a 'badge of honor' for ME, since I AM the one being confirmed correct all along by recent mainstream astro/cosmo/quantum discoveries/reviews, RP. :) In invoking authority/opinion of "sensible, balanced and informed people"... ...were you alluding to the 'ignorant trolls gang' that fell hook-line-and-sinker for Bicep2 FRAUD despite MY caution?
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (6) Dec 18, 2017
I AM the one being confirmed correct all along by recent mainstream astro/cosmo/quantum discoveries/reviews
You just don't get it, do you?
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (4) Dec 19, 2017
@RogueParticle.
I AM the one being confirmed correct all along by recent mainstream astro/cosmo/quantum discoveries/reviews
You just don't get it, do you?
It's you 'not getting' it, RP. I'm just 'taking the mickey' out of YOUR trolling of ME while complaining that it's all about ME. So you only have yourself to blame for my posts to you, RP. If you check my recent postings history, you will see that I had almost stopped posting altogether except for the occasional sporadic post! Ironic isn't it: YOU 'made it about ME' just as I had practically withdrawn from regular commentary (because I was busy on the last 'big push' to finalize my maths/toe work compilation ready for publishing). Still, I enjoyed the amusement of your ill-timed trolling of ME while you missed the irony of your trolling attacks prompting ME to post more often than I had expected to. Leave it alone now, RP; and try to contribute to the OBJECTIVE SCIENCE /DISCOURSE for a change. Cheers. :)
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (6) Dec 19, 2017
I was busy on the last 'big push' to finalize my maths/toe work compilation ready for publishing
I look forward to reading it.
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (5) Dec 19, 2017
@ Really-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am fine and dandy, thanks for asking.

I was busy on the last 'big push' to finalize my maths/toe work compilation ready for publishing
How many "last 'big pushes'" you going to have Cher? You been having "last big pushes" about 7 or 6 a year for the last 10 years.

Cher, "last" means there is not going to another one, and for certainement it does not mean 70 or 60 more of them.
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (5) Dec 19, 2017
I look forward to reading it.


I hope you are a patient man and have another hobby to keep you occupied. Some of us been looking forward to reading him for 10 or 9 years.
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (4) Dec 19, 2017
Ira, I can wait. And wait... and wait... ;-)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (3) Dec 19, 2017
@Uncle Ira, @RogueParticle.

My previous "big push" was to complete my PHYSICAL Reality-Postulates-based ToE 'construct'. Now done. My present "big push" is to complete my Reality-AXIOMS-based MATHEMATICAL 'construct' capable of MODELING the Infinitesimal-to-Infinite-scale UNIVERSAL PHYSICAL REALITY as a CONSISTENT 'whole' (rather than the inconsistent, piecemeal way current mainstream Partial-Theories-Set 'mess' is 'modeled').

You've already "waited' on the 100-years effort by THOUSANDS of 'mainstream/professional' COSMOLOGY Theoretical Physicists AND Mathematicians. They have FAILED to produce a complete and consistent REALITY-based Physical ToE; and their current UNREALITY-AXIOMS-based MATHEMATICS 'construct' is STILL INCAPABLE of actually treating, let alone modeling, the WHOLE universal fundamental PHYSICAL REALITY from infinitesimal-to-infinite scale in a REAL and CONSISTENT manner.

You "waited" 100 years while 'all the rest' had a go. Now it's MY turn. Patience. :)
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (4) Dec 19, 2017
Ira, I can wait. And wait... and wait... ;-)


Here Cher, I will try to fix that for you (I've known ol Really-Skippy a long time). See if this does not work better,,,,,,,,,,,

Ira, I WILL wait. And wait... and wait... and a lot more waitings....
That would be more accurate if you were desiring to be proven correct all along.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. You were right about the mental conditions he has, even his favorite scientist said he was demented in an email to me when I wrote him with some of Really-Skippy's Earthman Playhouse stuffs. Professor-Skippy-Steinhardt, he's a really nice guy and will answer emails if you write him with a question.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (3) Dec 19, 2017
@Uncle Ira.
mental conditions he has, even his favorite scientist said he was demented in an email to me when I wrote him ....Professor Steinhardt,
Oh my, the IRONY compounds! A bot-voting ignoramus now 'opines' about 'others' having "mental conditions"! Too funny and ironic, Ira! :)

Your long-demonstrated bot-voting ignoramus 'malignant mental condition' has left you practically 'amnesiac', Ira. I am INDEPENDENT OBJECTIVE scientist, remember? I have NO 'favorite scientist(s)'. I ONLY have regard to the OBJECTIVE SCIENCE ITSELF. My allusions to both Steinhardt AND Penrose was to point out for YOU how THEY NOW DENY all that Big Bang/Inflation etc pseudoscience claims they and their 'professional mainstream' cosmological theorist/mathematician PEERS had been corrupting the REAL SCIENCE LITERATURE/PARADIGM with for DECADES. And unfortunately, they and their 'peers' are STILL CLUELESS; so their 'opinions' about me/my work is from ignorance and envy (like yours, Ira). :)

RogueParticle
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 19, 2017
his favorite scientist said he was demented in an email to me when I wrote him with some of Really-Skippy's Earthman Playhouse stuffs
Aahhh, the earthlingclub - a Club so paranoid that it won't take on any new members; a Club with actually only one member. Who is working on his TOE, which goes like this:
the absolute points-line fabric of the VSmatrix constitutes volumetricated 'vector' Direction (not to be confused with original undifferentiated 'scalar' Direction concept). Thus constituting a classical Spatial arena manifesting as a rigid and passive 3-D points-line energy matrix from which looped-quanta of Direction randomly Realise into a flexible relative-context Reality dynamics (from which they eventually DeRealise back to VSmatrix context). Therefore, the primary vacuum substrate we call Space embodies the Absolute Frame of Reference (AFR)
And an AFR has long been shown to be an unsustainable concept. Note also how "energy" just pops out of nowhere there.
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (4) Dec 19, 2017
Well if you ask me, I think you should spend more time working on your toes and less doing the volumetricating.

Note also how "energy" just pops out of nowhere there.
Is that what is popping out there? Cher, I would try not to call to much attention to that if I were you. It makes your Frame of Reference look Absolutely bat-crap-crazy.
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (4) Dec 19, 2017
@Rogue-Skippy. I forgot to make sure it was clear that was about Really-Skippy, not you. You sound normal like a regular smart person, not bat-crap-crazy like the Really-Skippy. And the 1 karma vote was a mistake too, sorry about that, you deserve better than the 1 vote.
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (5) Dec 19, 2017
Ira, it was clear from the get-go that you had made some such goof - happens to me all the time. And I really (oops!) don't care about the votes, but it's nice of you to apologize, mon cher ami.
RogueParticle
5 / 5 (6) Dec 19, 2017
@RC's checklist for writing his TOE:

Scratch Pad - Check
Sharp Pencil - Check
Slide-Rule - Check
Log Tables - Check
Log (to sit on) - Check
Tin-Foil Hat - Check
Bucket of Head Pills - Check
Nice Warm Slippers - Check
Megaphone - Check
Reality - Nope

Hey, 90%, could be worse!
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (3) Dec 23, 2017
@RogueParticle.
Scratch Pad - Check
Sharp Pencil - Check
Slide-Rule - Check
Log Tables - Check
Log (to sit on) - Check
Tin-Foil Hat - Check
Bucket of Head Pills - Check
Nice Warm Slippers - Check
Megaphone - Check
Reality - Nope
You keep being (unwittingly) ironic, RP. Your 'checklist' perfectly describes what 'professional mainstream' mathematical cosmology physics theorists have been 'stuck with' since Einstein gave up trying to 'explain' REAL universal physical phenomena/entities; 'settling' instead for 'abstract' algorithm 'spacetime construct' to just calculate/describe/predict 'outcomes'. As Quantum Theorists did when THEY
'gave up' trying to actually 'explain' REAL entities/processes; 'settling' instead for "shut up and calculate" mathematical probability 'treatments' to merely predict 'outcomes' of 'spooky' phenomena. But NOW, most RECENT mainstream observations/theorists are increasingly 'coming around' to MY REAL ToE/Maths approach/insights. Ironic, hey? :)
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (1) Dec 23, 2017
@RC's checklist for writing his TOE:

Scratch Pad - Check
Sharp Pencil - Check
Slide-Rule - Check
Log Tables - Check
Log (to sit on) - Check
Tin-Foil Hat - Check
Bucket of Head Pills - Check
Nice Warm Slippers - Check
Megaphone - Check
Reality - Nope

Hey, 90%, could be worse!
ROTFLMFAO
epic!

and for the record, just so everyone knows, and accurate as of December 23, 2017, 12:43 am,
also validated by ScienceX/PhysOrg and anyone who can read, and not counting most of the deleted posts:
rc has made 7,624 posts with absolutely no evidence at all whatsoever (re: BICEP)

@Rogue
You're right: it's a mental condition and far more than just paranoia, marty/victim complex and dunning-kruger!

@rogue, @Ira
Happy Holidays

RealityCheck
1 / 5 (3) Dec 23, 2017
@Forum. I hope you all have have a safe Holiday Season and New Year. :)

@Bot-voting and personal insults/feuds troll gang. Try to be more constructive with your lives and time remaining to you; especially try to stop your denial; and start catching up with all the recent mainstream astro/cosmo/quantum physics discoveries/reviews increasingly confirming me correct while you are trolling away instead of actually discussing/learning the recent scientific discoveries/reviews which are falsifying much longstanding old/incorrect 'mainstream professional' cosmology interpretations/paradigms (which old/incorrect narratives/claims you cannot seem to 'shake off' even as many mainstream scientists are/have already done so). Oh, and try to learn what 'projection' means in Psychology terminology: because you have been doing just that for years now, and it's time you wised up and grew up, hey? Good luck, good thinking and good manners to you all in the Holidays and New Year, gang! :)

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