France to end sales of petrol, diesel vehicles by 2040

July 6, 2017 by Clare Byrne
In 2016, hybrid and electric cars accounted for 3.6 percent of new cars registered in Western Europe

France will end sales of petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040 as part of an ambitious plan to meet its targets under the Paris climate accord, new Ecology Minister Nicolas Hulot announced Thursday.

"We are announcing an end to the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2040," Hulot said, calling it a "veritable revolution".

Hulot acknowledged that reaching the goal would be "tough", particularly for automakers, but said that French carmakers Peugeot-Citroen and Renault were well equipped to make the switch.

France is the biggest manufacturer of electric cars sold in Europe, with the Renault Zoe far outselling other models in 2016.

On Wednesday, Volvo said it planned to phase out production of petrol-only cars from 2019, with all new models to be either electric or hybrids.

The Chinese-owned group is the first major manufacturer to electrify all of its models.

Hulot cited Volvo as an example in making his surprise announcement, part of his plan to make France "carbon neutral" by 2050.

'Public health' matter

Hulot, a veteran environmental campaigner, was among several political newcomers to whom President Emmanuel Macron gave top jobs in his government.

His nomination was seen as a statement of Macron's commitment to environmental issues.

Last month, the 39-year-old centrist hit back at US President Donald Trump's announcement that he would pull out of the 2015 Paris accord with a video vowing to "make our planet great again"—a play on Trump's campaign pledge to "make America great again" that went viral on social media.

Several countries have said they want to dramatically reduce the amount of polluting petrol and diesel cars on their roads but few have made firm commitments.

India has said it wants all cars sold there to be electric-powered by 2030.

In Europe, Norway aims to end sales of petrol and by 2025 and Germany wants to put one million electric cars on the road by 2020.

Welcoming Hulot's announcement World Wildlife France chief Pascal Canfin told France Info radio: "We have every interest in being among the leaders.

"The sooner we invest, the sooner we will have the right technology and the better we will be positioned on the industrial and job fronts."

Motorists still continue to opt overwhelmingly for petrol and diesel models, usually substantially cheaper.

In 2016, hybrid and accounted for only 3.6 percent of new cars registered in Western Europe, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association (ACEA).

The greatest spurt in sales was for non-rechargeble hybrids, which rose 27.3 percent compared to 2015. Electric car registrations jumped by seven percent last year while plug-in hybrids grew by only 3.9 percent.

Hulot said that weaning France off conventional cars was a matter of "".

Paris, Lyon, Grenoble and other French cities have a chronic smog problem.

Analysts are split on how quickly electric vehicles will displace those powered by internal combustion engines.

The 29-nation International Energy Agency (IEA), formed after the 1973 oil crisis, sees relatively modest growth, resulting in an eight percent market share—about 150 million vehicles—by 2040.

Private forecaster Bloomberg New Energy Finance's estimates, by contrast, predicts a 22-percent market share for electric vehicles by 2035.

China—the largest market in the world for electric vehicles—sold more than half-a-million in 2016.

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michbaskett
3.3 / 5 (7) Jul 06, 2017
Glad to see a start like this occurring. It's only a start, but it's a start in the right direction. Now to get people to reduce their numbers on Earth. That's the hard part.
antialias_physorg
4.3 / 5 (6) Jul 06, 2017
"The sooner we invest, the sooner we will have the right technology and the better we will be positioned on the industrial and job fronts."

Well, it seems that they have learned their lesson from the jump in renewables. Be at the forefront and reap the benefits of jobs and growing industries (even if it means that a couple of the traditional auto makers who fail to see the sign of the times will fall by the wayside.)
Benni
1 / 5 (6) Jul 06, 2017
Fortunately the soon to be Arab/Muslim majority in France will recognize how racist this conversion from diesel is because it reduces the flow of money from France that support the mid-east oil sheikhs.

And this stuff in Germany needs to stop as well, of course it will just as soon as antialias_physorg stops walking to the grocery store & invites an entire family of Mid-east immigrants to live with him inside his dinky little house, thereby convincing himself he's not a racist/religious bigot of some kind........hey, France & Germany, Poland is learning from your mistakes you bunch of clods.
dnatwork
4.4 / 5 (7) Jul 06, 2017
Oh, so now it's racist to oppose excessive use of fossil fuels? But it's not racist of you to assume that Muslims in France will object to reduced income to mid-east sheikhs, or to abhor "this stuff in Germany," or to assume that mid-east immigrants have to be invited into a real person's house because otherwise they'd be homeless.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (5) Jul 06, 2017
Fortunately the soon to be Arab/Muslim majority in France will recognize how racist this conversion from diesel is

Whut? You have any idea where the muslims in France come from (Hint: no, it's not from the middle east)..even if: the fact that they live in France and not in anothetr country should tell you something.

This 'racist' argument is really one of the most insane things posted on this site, yet.
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (2) Jul 06, 2017
So when new ICE cars are no longer being sold they can begin to tax gas stations out of business. Clever.
Dingbone
Jul 06, 2017
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coahoma3
1 / 5 (4) Jul 06, 2017
Sadly, everyone in France and the rest of the EU will be praising allah or suffering abuse if they don't by the time this comes into play. Islamic people are moving in and their goal is to own the country no matter where they are. Once they become the majority, drastic changes will be made. There is no telling what muslims will think of climate change.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (4) Jul 06, 2017
There is no telling what muslims will think of climate change

The same as everyone else. Contrary to popular belief being muslim doesn't make one stupid.
Benni
1 / 5 (3) Jul 06, 2017
Fortunately the soon to be Arab/Muslim majority in France will recognize how racist this conversion from diesel is

Whut? You have any idea where the muslims in France come from (Hint: no, it's not from the middle east)..even if: the fact that they live in France and not in anothetr country should tell you something.

This 'racist' argument is really one of the most insane things posted on this site, yet.


Hey, Poland has learned from you fatherland's mistakes, maybe that'll weigh down your minuscule brain with a dose of humility. Five years from now you can give us followup posts about what a joy it is to worship Allah who is about to become your favorite deity, of course you'll be posting it with a knife against your throat.
omegatalon
3 / 5 (2) Jul 06, 2017
France can really make a difference if they shut down all aircraft commercial and military flights in and out of the country since airplanes generate a tremendous amount of CO2 emissions.
Benni
1 / 5 (3) Jul 06, 2017
There is no telling what muslims will think of climate change

The same as everyone else. Contrary to popular belief being muslim doesn't make one stupid.


......yeah, you're proof of that..........at least for the time being until your forced conversion.

oovarvu
5 / 5 (2) Jul 06, 2017
Surely you all can recognise when you're being trolled? This is just the funniest thing i've seen on the interweb in a long while.
Da Schneib
not rated yet Jul 06, 2017
Pretty good to see countries actually taking action.

Having driven rental Renaults and Citroens in France on real French highways with real French commuters at peak commuting time, I have to say that I found them to be competent automobiles. And driving on highways in France is considerably more challenging than in the US where I live. They drive fast and close together. They are not tolerant of the slightest hesitation if you have the courage to drive in the fast lane. They do however respect courtesy, as they see it. But you have to understand the French conception of courtesy.

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TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Jul 06, 2017
The same as everyone else. Contrary to popular belief being muslim doesn't make one stupid
NO, being religious makes one stupid. Specifically they all teach to 'give no thought for the morrow', that if you're doing it right then god will provide for all your needs. Including petrol and baby food.

"Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given unto you."

-Anyone who falls for that crap is really pretty stupid. Willfully, dangerously stupid.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (1) Jul 06, 2017
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I expect the electric vehicles they are talking about will outperform internal combustion vehicles; this is implicit in the growth of electrical storage and the performance of already well-developed electric motor technology. Most auto makers have to put limits on the electric motors to keep the wheels from ripping loose from the tires. Torque in an electric motor doesn't work like it does for an ICE. The maximum torque is at zero revs, not at the torque-RPM peak as for an ICE.
Gigel
not rated yet Jul 07, 2017
"Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given unto you."

That may have well been the starting point of modern scientific revolution. :huh:
Edenlegaia
5 / 5 (3) Jul 07, 2017
....wtf? Talking about muslims in that article? Why?
Benni and cie, you'll be kind enough to stop sprouting nonsense about France if you can't even go there to see by yourself. Because there's some amount of people doing shitty things doesn't mean it happens in the whole place! If you don't know about it, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT!
And Hulot can say what he wants, if the new president (or the next) gives no shit about what he decided, diesel vehicles may still be there for another decade after the Hulot Deadline. People are already starting to badmouth about him there and there for suspicious things he's linked with. The companies are already bound to try to not respect his wishes, and even if they did, people will mostly purchase what they can, not what they're being told to do.
Unless EV's gets cheaper (they will, time will do the trick....i guess.) and there's no more need to rent batteries (because in France, YOU DO), very few people will buy em.
Eikka
2 / 5 (4) Jul 07, 2017
"Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given unto you."

That may have well been the starting point of modern scientific revolution. :huh:


Maybe, but for a different end.

(Luke 12:22-34)

25Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air: They do not sow or reap or gather into barns—and yet your Heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his lifespan?

28And why do you worry about clothes? Consider how the lilies of the field grow: They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his glory was adorned like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
antialias_physorg
1 / 5 (1) Jul 07, 2017
diesel vehicles may still be there for another decade after the Hulot Deadline

Correct. It doesn't prohibit foreign car companies from trying to sell such vehicles or people from driving their old ones.

I expect the electric vehicles they are talking about will outperform internal combustion vehicles

They already do for any metric that is relevant to France. Distances are not large. Maximum speed limit is 130km/h. There's an excellent high speed train system with trains regularly travelling at speeds in excess of 300km/h. So if you really want to go accross the country this is MUCH faster..

There's basically no use case in France that today's electric cars cannot fulfill.
Dingbone
Jul 07, 2017
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Benni
1 / 5 (3) Jul 07, 2017
There's basically no use case in France that today's electric cars cannot fulfill.


.......and it's the same for almost every country on your dark dinky sub-continent. The only value it has these days is for population control of overflow from the middle east whose populations detest any talk of replacing ICE with EVs. How do you think those middle east Sovereign Wealth Funds make the money that is dispensed to the populace? OIL.

Just think of the dual citizenship Arab/Muslims continue to hold, then ask yourself why they hang onto to it while living in a foreign country? Just think OIL INCOME from the homeland Sovereign Wealth Funds, and it's how they will force Sharia Law everywhere in Europe except for Poland & a few other small but smart nationalistic countries.

Hey, antialias_physorg, in a couple of years be sure to post pictures of your wife in a burqa & proof she's been circumcised in accordance with Sharia Law.
Eikka
5 / 5 (3) Jul 07, 2017
There's basically no use case in France that today's electric cars cannot fulfill.


How about a cheap €2-3000 second hand car for a student or a low-paid employee who cannot afford to live in the city because the rents are too high, so they have to commute?

Whoops, that implies requirements that electric cars won't do at the same time: cheap, highway-capable, long-range. Second hand electrics are a no-go because of short battery lifespans - the target market cannot afford to pay that much on a replacement.

There are L7E class electric cars that are almost affordable, but they're basically four-wheel motorcycles with speed limiters that nobody want.

and it's the same for almost every country on your dark dinky sub-continent.


The population density of France is actually similiar to east coast USA.
MrVibrating
4 / 5 (1) Jul 07, 2017
I work in the transport sector so find this news quite concerning.

Battery-dependent EV ranges will doubtless see significant improvements over coming decades, but to supercede hydrocarbon fuels they've a long way to go - a network of battery change-out stations or rapid charging points will need to be at least as dense as the current fuel forecourt network, if not moreso.

While much commercial transport can be planned in advance (ie. with vehicles driving 'rounds'), a great deal more of it is spontaneous and random (ie. same-day courier and passenger / patient transport services).

Aside from the issue of how the energy is distributed, stored and supplied, is the question of how it's generated in the first place - hydrocarbons represent eons of solar / geothermal energy input, and even the most efficient vehicles require orders of magnitude more energy than domestic or most commercial applications. If France is also abandoning nuclear, where's this energy gonna come from?
Edenlegaia
not rated yet Jul 08, 2017
If France is also abandoning nuclear, where's this energy gonna come from?


France is not Germany. Nuclear energy is almost our trademark. For sure, people are often saying the oldest plants will be dismantled, but we can expect renewables to make up for it.
Coal plants would be raided day and night by green people. We have determinated and angry activists after all.
MrVibrating
not rated yet Jul 08, 2017
Env. Minister Nicolas Hulot says the intention is also to reduce Nuclear energy generation from 75% of national supply, to 50% by 2025, in addition to the mere 5% cut from eliminating coal-fired power stations - so a net 30% cut in generating capacity...

Taking the US 2016 figures as a generalisation, vehicular transport accounts for around 30% of national energy usage - precisely the amount it's going to be cut by... so renewables are going to have to take up that 60% shortfall, up from their current contribution of around 20%. The Energy Transition for Green Growth Act only aims to raise renewable production to 32% of total consumption by 2030. Although renewable production has increased 23% since 2014, much of that was provided by wood burning - and re-sequestering that carbon in fresh wood growth takes time, during which the output presumably must remain airborne. Ditto for the increased use of biofuels.

In short, massive investment in solar, wind and hydro is needed..
ForFreeMinds
1 / 5 (1) Jul 09, 2017
It will be interesting to see how those currently using petrol/diesel vehicles deal with the charging time. Daily community won't be an issue, but long trips will.

It's a 6.5 hour, 680 km drive from Paris to Toulouse, and that means a long wait at the charging station for a fill up. And assuming they have a Tesla supercharger, they'll get about 280 km from a half hour charge. And what about trucks carrying cargo? The owners of these will find their productivity severely reduced. Mail delivery will take quite a bit longer, as will any long distance delivery. I'd bet France's economy will further decline thanks to this subsidy to electric vehicle makers and electricity producers.

And look at how much will have to be invested in charging stations everywhere. It won't be convenient to charge your car at a hotel overnight, unless they install pay chargers. Gas station real-estate will have to be about 4X larger with 4X more charging spaces than gas filling spaces.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (1) Jul 11, 2017
It's a 6.5 hour, 680 km drive from Paris to Toulouse, .

It's a 5 hour train ride between 30 and 80 bucks (depending on when you travel). You'd be stupid to take the car.
and that means a long wait at the charging station for a fill up

Erm..why exactly does this mean a "long wait"?

Mail delivery will take quite a bit longer

Mail delivery is already being convertedt to electrics - because the overwhelming majority of miles driven for mail delivery are...the last few miles. It's so profitable even Deutsche post (germany's mail service) started up their own car company(!). Their electric scooters are so good they're even staring to sell them to third partise. And no - it's not any slower.
http://www.dpdhl....ion.html

It won't be convenient to charge your car at a hotel overnight

How is that LESS convenient than having to search for a gas station?

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