No El Nino? No problem. Earth sizzles to near record heat

March 17, 2017 by Seth Borenstein
A composite image of the Western hemisphere of the Earth. Credit: NASA

Even without an El Nino warming the world's waters, Earth in February sizzled to its second hottest temperature on record, behind only last year.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration calculated that February 2017 averaged 55.66 degrees (13.08 degrees Celsius). That's 1.76 degrees (.98 degrees Celsius) warmer than the 20th century average.

It was also the second hottest winter in the on record. Records go back to 1880.

In the past, Earth doesn't come near record heat if there's no El Nino. This year it did—on every continent.

NOAA climate scientist Ahira Sanchez-Lugo called it clear evidence of .

She calculated that the rate of February warming since 1980 is twice as high as since 1880.

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howhot3
4.4 / 5 (14) Mar 18, 2017
Yeap. Sounds right. An yet the dumbass conservatives and rumplicans want to cut EPA when they are needed so much. SAD. So SAD.
katesisco
1 / 5 (5) Mar 18, 2017
Exactly what we see in history. An extinction event followed by heat.
We experienced 2012 "extinction" much reduced, followed by heat we are currently experiencing.
This is clearly the same extinction cycle as in the past but the energy sponsoring it is so minimal as to be ignored.
I suspect a white dwarf similar in effects to a magnetar which as R Duncan U of Texas describes. The magnetars live only for millions of years not billions. Thus the energy would be nearly dissipated and we survive without having the extinction event identified. That will happen in about 20 years.
gkam
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2017
How do we save ourselves?

How do we save the Earth?

How soon will we start?
cantdrive85
1.7 / 5 (11) Mar 18, 2017
Nice weather report, yet the Chicken Littles cry that the sky is falling due to it.
gkam
2.2 / 5 (10) Mar 18, 2017
I earned a degree in this field. How did you get your opinion?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 20, 2017
I earned a degree in this field. How did you get your opinion?
You bought an honorary degree. You hoped to fool people with it.

Youve proven youre opinions are worthless.
geokstr
1 / 5 (3) Mar 20, 2017
I earned a degree in this field. How did you get your opinion?

No doubt from the University of St Karl of Marx.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 20, 2017
Here we go. We've hit the knee in the curve and every denier is at risk of being strung up on a lamp post.

Run away and hide, deniers.

This is the problem with lying: the truth will out. When it does, those who have been lying get strung up. Now, because of your lies, it's too late to do anything without crippling economics. We could have fixed it cheap in 1980. Now it's gonna cost the Moon and the stars, and it's all your fault.
gkam
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 20, 2017
Part of it is personal responsibility.

We can lecture others all we want, but what have we done individually?
Da Schneib
4 / 5 (8) Mar 20, 2017
Not lied about having solar panels installed on our houses.

Next?
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 20, 2017
Look it up.

My god, you are just like Trump.
howhot3
5 / 5 (8) Mar 20, 2017
Exactly what we see in history. An extinction event followed by heat.
Haha. Ok that is just about the dumbest as rocks extrapolation of geological history as I've seen. That is up there with moon = green cheese. SAD. soo so SAD. Sorry to say denier, it usually heat followed by extinction. But as a scientist, if you have proof and are willing to share that with your science piers we would be willing to listen and make our view points known.

howhot3
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2017
Give @gkam a break guys. He's been a trooper in every climate denier battle I've read. He fights for the good side.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2017
Give @gkam a break guys
@howhot
???

he also spreads misinformation and blatant outright lies - and has been caught doing so on numerous occasions

see any thread that relates in any way to nukes or PV's/EV's, where he can brag about an unproven EV that he charges at night with his unproven PV's

... i've been solar for more than 2 decades, so i know it's limitations and strong points, so when he goes off on that BS tangent he hurts PV and renewables more than helps it

it's not ok to promote pseudoscience or blatant false claims so long as you are on the side of AGW and you are wanting to stop it

is that the kind of message you want to send?

plus - for every small detail he gets correct, he adds some false BS OT crap to wade through

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2017
@ howhot
Ditto stumpy. You will tolerate and encourage a liar and a cheat if he lies and cheats in support of your cause?

Does that mean we can assume your cause is the cause of liars and cheats?

Are you by association a liar and a cheat as well?

People who tolerate liars and cheats for selfish reasons lack integrity.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 21, 2017
I don't want a break, I want to rub their noses into the fact I am correct and their emotional instability has made fools of them.

I gave you all my address and invited you to use Google Earth on your android deice to look me up. Do it.

You probably did, but do not have the character to admit it, . . just like Trrump!

How did that emotional four-year-old have such an effect on you?
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 21, 2017
howhot, this is an old feud, started when I mentioned some experience and they responded with screams of "LIAR!" and "BULLSHIT!" It regarded my assertion that i worked on rocket-powered aircraft at Edwards AFB, and they really got angry when I sent them a copy of the Newspaper of the Air force Flight Test Center with my name and picture on the front page.

Then, we did the same thing with my service putting together and operating the Electronic Battlefield. I had to send them to three military websites with my name on them.

Then, there were the studies and reports for NASA, and I sent them the entire catalog with my name on page 41.

Then, they said I was not really a Senior Engineer in Technical Services for Pacific Gas & Electric. It was the same for my Power Quality work nationwide. Every proof meant another round of adolescent replies.

We just endure it. They are kids playing games.
antialias_physorg
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2017
Now it's gonna cost the Moon and the stars, and it's all your fault.

Here's a new theory: Deniers are uneducated - hence usually in the lower income bracket (if they have any at all)...so they don't pay the taxes that will get us and them out of this.

They're just worried that any action might cost them their unemployment benefits. So they deny as long and as hard as they can.
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2017
Here's a new theory: Chicken Little AGWitists are the suckers PT Barnum spoke of some 150 years ago.
gkam
Mar 21, 2017
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TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2017
I gave you all my address
-and your ssn. Dont forget that.
I want to rub their noses into the fact I am correct and their emotional instability has made fools of them
These things occur entirely within the confines of your skull you realize that dont you? Hey hows that lawsuit coming? Youre the focus of an international effort if I remember correctly?
they said I was not really a Senior Engineer in Technical Services for Pacific Gas & Electric
-and I linked to the PG&E employment site which showed you that they dont hire non-degreed and uneducated people for senior level positions.

But then NOBODY HERE gives a shit about you and your bogus past and your sick compulsion to talk about yourself.

Nobody.

Youre as sick as they come.
Da Schneib
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2017
@AAP, I disagree, though I gave you a 5 anyway.

I think deniers are uneducated, but I don't think their welfare benefits are what they're worried about. I think most of them have jobs as unskilled labor, and are afraid that the economics of handling the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions will push them beyond their ability to survive by eliminating their jobs.

I think deniers don't trust "liberals" because they think they don't care what happens to them. There are numerous choices of conspiracy theories here, for example thinking that since "liberals" are "atheists" they "don't believe in morals" and worship some Gaia-like "goddess" secretly, for whom they are willing to sacrifice the deniers and many more like them for their supposed beliefs. We have seen this played out on this very site. Not all at once; but I'm sure you or I could pull the threads together for individual posters with a little searching here.

[contd]
Da Schneib
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2017
[contd]
I think deniers are neither skilled nor knowledgeable enough to evaluate scientific findings. As a result, their conspiracy theories are immune to factual evidence because they cannot evaluate it. This is exacerbated by a lack of critical thinking skills, due to faults in the education system, and to the encouragement of Motivated Reasoning (a logical fallacy) by political and economic foes of GHG regulation. This has been used historically to fight the elimination of leaded gasoline, the regulation of cigarettes, and the denial of evolution.

General distrust of science is the inevitable fallout of the kinds of political and economic pressure being brought to bear by those with personal economic interest in the outcomes of questions of regulations in these and many other areas threatened by such regulation. And such distrust serves the interests of such actors.

[contd]
Da Schneib
3.3 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2017
[contd]
Joseph Goebbels stated that the use of The Big Lie as a propaganda strategem is vulnerable to facts. As such, Goebbels, a primary architect of the Nazi propaganda strategy, labeled facts as "enemies of the state." We see exactly this strategy being used by the current President of the United States, Donald Trump, and his minions.

Another common strategem, linked closely to The Big Lie, is FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, and Disinformation. Numerous examples of this strategem are easily cited in climate denial, evolution denial, cigarette denial, and leaded gasoline denial, among many such campaigns. Uneducated and naive, the unskilled and unemployed are easy victims to such strategems.

Unfortunately, there are no simple answers to this. It's tempting to believe that there's some "magic gun" that can "force" deniers (and I mean all of them, not just climate deniers) to "admit they were wrong."

[contd]
Da Schneib
3.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2017
[contd]
I think there is a blind spot in liberal thinking in this area. Labeling people unable due to lack of skills and knowledge to evaluate the real evidence in these areas as some how "evil" due to these socially and politically enforced deliberate truncations of education in critical thinking skills entirely misses the point, and plays directly into FUD and The Big Lie.

What must be done, and on a worldwide scale, is to convince as many of these individuals as possible that "liberals" actually do care what happens to them, and that will not be easy, simple, quick, or subject to any "magic transformation" that will make it so. I invoke the 90/90 law: 90% of the job takes 90% of the effort, and the last 10% takes the other 90%. When your wing tanks are at 10% it's time to cut bait or fish.

Until the real liberals realize this, they will continue to lose.
Da Schneib
3.3 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2017
@howhot, the problem with allowing liars like @Gracie into the tent is that you sleep for one night with the liar and wind up with a hundred-year kid and they got cousins and they got in-laws.

Let @Gracie stop lying, admit lying, commit to stop, and stop doubling down on lies. We don't need liars in the tent. They and their in-laws contaminate the message. *Your* credibility is damaged. Not with me, but the uneducated are unable to discern the difference, and you should care about that.
gkam
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2017
"@howhot, the problem with allowing liars like @Gracie"
--------------------------------------
I am real and so is my experience and my power system.

It really got to you when you checked the PV system out, didn't it? Did you check out me and Power Quality? Want a copy of the NASA catalog? Pictures of me in the 553rd Reconnaissance Wing and Igloo White? Front page of the base newspaper of the Air Force Flight Test Center with my picture on it?

No, your problem is internal and just silly emotion, the Id playing with you.

I had hoped you would be mature enough to ask questions instead of screaming like a child.
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 21, 2017
@Gracie, I didn't even look.

I just don't care about what liars lie about.

Speaking of children, doubling and tripling down is what they always try. It never works. Why do you bother? You're just spoiling your cred.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (4) Mar 22, 2017
Here's a new theory: Deniers are uneducated - hence usually in the lower income bracket (if they have any at all)
@AA_P
i'm not so sure
whereas i believe there are a whole lot of uneducated folk who may be deniers, i think they're on both sides of the fence
https://arstechni...nformed/

i think it's more about their political and religious alignment, friends and peers and where they tend to hang out than anything else
http://journals.p....0075637

now, we have examples of uneducated idiots here on PO who are deniers (cd and the eu cult idiots) but there are some people who really are intelligent but simply just can't accept the reality for various reasons
- they display competency in math, logic and other stuff but due to problems with jobs, etc, they've chosen to see anything AGW as a threat

Captain Stumpy
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 22, 2017
Here's a new theory: Deniers are uneducated
@AA_P cont'd
one of the most notable things that i have seen in the denier crowd is this: their sources for argument

almost every single one of them choose to follow one of the random sites like watts, etc, who publish blatant misinformation and/or pure refined bullsh*t on a flaming torch

this is simply their confirmation bias following someone who speaks a message they like - and most of those people are being paid to promote that propaganda or provide that service
http://www.drexel...nge.ashx

it also doesn't help when certain posters can't make an argument from evidence and use slogans, fearmongering and misinformation (or outright lies)

antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (4) Mar 22, 2017
I think deniers are uneducated, but I don't think their welfare benefits are what they're worried about.

I wasn't being entirely serious in my 'theory'. At this point I'm just casting around for any kind of excuse I could afford them (as in a *real* rationale) instead of just being forced to think: they're dumb as rocks.
Because that would be demeaning. But, alas, I'm running all out of ideas (besides the obvious 50 cent army contingent)

and are afraid that the economics of handling the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions will push them beyond their ability to survive by eliminating their jobs.

Unskilled labor will vanish in any case. This is independent of climate change. It will have to be replaced with a new form of society where work isn't the thing that defines your 'right to live'.

Unfortunately, there are no simple answers to this.

The least complicated answer is: better education.
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 22, 2017
Unskilled labor will vanish in any case.
@AA_P
what makes you say this?
IMHO - i'm not so sure it will go away entirely
i think it will be limited in the future, but it won't go away
It will have to be replaced with a new form of society where work isn't the thing that defines your 'right to live'
one man's utopia is another man's hell... just sayin'
The least complicated answer is: better education
i definitely think this is a huge step in the right direction... with caveats that is
for instance - we need to start teaching critical thinking skills earlier in the education system and insure children are introduced to it well before they get to college

they should be well versed in the basics at least by their freshman HS year

I also know that will not happen because it will undermine and destroy almost all religions and their foothold, especially as their primary tactic is also to target the children
Zzzzzzzz
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 22, 2017
Denial is about delusional capacity, not education or intelligence. You very likely know people who are intelligent, but seem to have a significant "logic tight" compartmentalization capacity (read delusional capacity) which they devote to things like
a) Religious belief systems
b) "Conservativism"
c) Climate change, science fact, or other denial of reality - sometimes patently obvious to even the most casual observer

This may be due to genetic inheritance, but may have other origins also. A very psychotic person can also be an intelligent person. The capacity for delusion is simply a degree of psychosis - the default human condition has some level of psychosis. The capacity for self delusion carries a survival benefit for humans. Some of us really have it bad.

"The same thing that makes you live can kill you in the end." - Neil Young
gkam
Mar 22, 2017
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antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (3) Mar 23, 2017
one man's utopia is another man's hell... just sayin'

I just can't see 9-to-5 defining us for the next few million years. At some point this will have to change.
Kids seem to have little problem filling up the time of day - .and there certinaly won't be something that will actively forbid you from working. preferrably on whatever you want.

Unskilled labor will vanish in any case.


@AA_P
what makes you say this?

Much of what is unskilled labor is not healthy (monotonous or causes some continuous degrading of physical abilities). I see no downside in replacing these jobs with bots - whiel, of course, at the thsame time making sure that the quality of life of those who had those jobs isn't impacted. I'm pretty sure most would not mind such an exchange.
howhot3
not rated yet Mar 24, 2017
Your a square egg with me @gkam. My first solar panel system consisted of two 150W panels in a south facing window charging a 12V battery and a 2000W square wave inverter. An I'm not even in the sunbelt and yet I almost burned my garage down with that same rig, when the cables to the charge controller melted in a short. Just luck they melted through! It was all a good learning lesson, I now know more about Lead-Acid batteries than a human should :)

And a Prius is a pretty damn good car. My Uncle took me out in his for a drive around Garden City. That 80 year old KS farmer loved it. 50mpg is what he claimed. A KS farmer that hated "snake oil" republicons. He knew what was coming and was doing his part to help.

Isn't that why we are all here; to express our views and hope that it helps? hope that our opinion is heard and it counts in the big picture? We are here to express the better idea(s) among us in debate and resolution.

And have fun too.

Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Mar 24, 2017
At some point this will have to change
@AA_P
oh yeah...i agree it will have to change
i just don't agree on the whole "utopia" thing
Much of what is unskilled labor is not healthy (monotonous or causes some continuous degrading of physical abilities). I see no downside in replacing these jobs with bots
i am actually wondering why they're not already replaced with bots
IMHO i think some are kept simply because of the whole "job" thing...
I'm pretty sure most would not mind such an exchange
surely most will enjoy the free time

but i am not so sure i would - it drives me crazy now
i also think about the pressures of evolution and what will happen to a civilization that ceases to actually do "work" - and by that i don't mean just "a job"
how will that affect the evolution of the human species?

just like our human violence, i think it will be something that would be a really bad idea to get rid of or remove
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (5) Mar 24, 2017
What a joke ,we just had the coldest winter here since the 70' s snow in the Sahara , cold all over the place , and they come with this , pure poproaganda , and predictable . In fact i can predict that every year hence wil be hotter and hotter. I think i will need a snow plow.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (4) Mar 25, 2017
What a joke ,we just had the coldest winter here since
snoose
1- weather is not the same thing as climate

2- see Francis et al, both papers, and subsequent validation

3- just because you don't understand climate, the difference between weather and climate, or the facts that are validated by the scientific method doesn't mean everyone else is equally ignorant

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