Storing carbon dioxide underground by turning it into rock

Storing carbon dioxide underground by turning it into rock
A core sample from a carbon storage project in Washington state showed that carbon dioxide injected deep underground into basalt rock turned into the carbonate mineral ankerite in less than two years (inset). Credit: American Chemical Society

In November, the Paris Climate Agreement goes into effect to reduce global carbon emissions. To achieve the set targets, experts say capturing and storing carbon must be part of the solution. Several projects throughout the world are trying to make that happen. Now, a study on one of those endeavors, reported in the ACS journal Environmental Science & Technology Letters, has found that within two years, carbon dioxide (CO2) injected into basalt transformed into solid rock.

Lab studies on basalt have shown that the rock, which formed from lava millions of years ago and is found throughout the world, can rapidly convert CO2 into stable carbonate minerals. This evidence suggests that if CO2 could be locked into this solid form, it would be stowed away for good, unable to escape into the atmosphere. But what happens in the lab doesn't always reflect what happens in the field. One field project in Iceland injected CO2 pre-dissolved in water into a basalt formation, where it was successfully stored. And starting in 2009, researchers with Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and the Montana-based Big Sky Carbon Sequestration Partnership undertook a pilot project in eastern Washington to inject 1,000 tons of pressurized liquid CO2 into a basalt formation.

After drilling a well in the Columbia River Basalt formation and testing its properties, the team injected CO2 into it in 2013. Core samples were extracted from the well two years later, and Pete McGrail and colleagues confirmed that the CO2 had indeed converted into the carbonate mineral ankerite, as the lab experiments had predicted. And because basalts are widely found in North America and throughout the world, the researchers suggest that the formations could help permanently sequester on a large scale.


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Nov 18, 2016
Do we actually want to permanently sequester some proportion of worldwide carbon forever?

Nov 18, 2016
Yes. There is plenty available. And we are really just re-sequestering it, aren't we?

Nov 18, 2016
The adults are back in charge of government funding of science and education. Propaganda science is not going to be a safe space.

Nov 18, 2016
Coal will not come back. We will not allow the teaching of religion in schools.

You are about to find out about the "Chinese Hoax" of AGW.

It will be too late to apologize.

Nov 18, 2016
@david_king there is so much CO2 around because of the burning of fossil fuels we have no choice but pump this excess into the rock. Nature locked all that carbon away "virtually forever" in the oil wells that we happily pumped out. If we do not get rid of the excess CO2 we may very well be spelling the end of humans on this planet. Don't think so? Don't do anything and we'll see. Don't want to take that chance, start sequestering CO2.

Nov 18, 2016
Do we actually want to permanently sequester some proportion of worldwide carbon forever?


No. That would be monumentally stupid. CO2 grows plants and we're starved of it from an evolutionary perspective. Most of it was sequestered before lignum consuming bacteria evolved and needs to be released.

Nov 18, 2016
Possible caveat: when the carbonate minerals are exposed to acidic conditions, they will release CO2.

Most of it was sequestered before lignum consuming bacteria evolved and needs to be released.


You wouldn't find 1000+ ppm CO2 concentrations very comfortable. We've evolved under low CO2 and it causes our blood acidity levels to shift, which results in poor cognitive performance and discomfort above about twice the current atmospheric CO2 concentration.

Nov 18, 2016
BackBurner (BB) with monumental stupidity & ignorance claims
CO2 .... we're starved of it from an evolutionary perspective
Of all the dumbest things you've written among all the dumb people who make things up this is just as bad and despite fact you've been here since Feb 2016 & learned NOTHING about basic Physics & Chemistry re CO2 etc - makes you mentally disabled in the saddest way :/

Where's ANY evidence, hypothesis or foundation for your outrageous claim - are you following that other mindless anonymous nick here Captain Stumpy (CSt) making unsupportable claims - focused only on bluster & appearance - nil substance !

BB claims
Most of it was sequestered before lignum consuming bacteria evolved and needs to be released
MORE stupidity & ignorance bordering on Scientific Misconduct, didnt notice its being released for >200 yrs !

At rate equivalent burning 230,000 Liters petrol EACH second & that's the oil co figures ~ 3 yrs ago !

Whacko !

Nov 18, 2016
Eikka correct states
Possible caveat: when the carbonate minerals are exposed to acidic conditions, they will release CO2.

You wouldn't find 1000+ ppm CO2 concentrations very comfortable. We've evolved under low CO2 and it causes our blood acidity levels to shift, which results in poor cognitive performance...
Spot on & although some humans can adapt quickly a great deal of other life will not & our food sources (plant AND animal) will be under serious threat from all the combinations of effects from shifts in plant biochem equilibria re proteins/carbs ie cyanogens, lignin density..

Why are nicks like Back Burner & other dweebs here making stupid unsupportable claims, its like some dumb contest who can make the stupidest claims behind anonymous nicks & spread falsehoods damaging this site & Science in general ?

Dumb nicks; Captain Stumpy (CSt), Uncle Ira (Irate) make things up lying re quotes for mere impression, obviously Only to Bully !

Irate Pee & CSt !

Nov 18, 2016
gkam states
Coal will not come back. We will not allow the teaching of religion in schools.
You are about to find out about the "Chinese Hoax" of AGW.
It will be too late to apologize
I'm aware of sizable industrial movements re CO2 emissions in China, in general one shouldn't be influenced by (primarily western media) propaganda re whats interpreted as the Chinese view re AGW..

Many I'm working with are of the well considered view Coal will continue but with reductions, that's already happening in Australia but, there's asymptotic low we haven't reached yet & even when we do there'll still be CO2 emissions - key issue is will those emissions be; offset, utilised as resource Eg deferment re methanol etc or sequestered & helpful as building material.

BHP (disclosing I have shares) is working with Woodside who's funding Curtin University re advanced natural gas processes moderating emissions.

Many advances considerable & coming together global nexus close :-)

Nov 18, 2016
@ Mikey-Skippy. How you are Cher? The doctors let you out again? I'm good and fit, thanks for asking.

Dumb nicks; Captain Stumpy (CSt), Uncle Ira (Irate) make things up lying re quotes for mere impression, obviously


Cher, I would not be bringing up stuffs about "impression" and such like. It's not like you are not under a burden in that department, non.

Irate Pee & CSt !
Thanks and see you later too. Laissez les bons temps rouler Skippy. (That's coonass for: Try not to get too much excited or the Doctors might take you back up.)


Nov 18, 2016
Uncle Ira (Irate) confirming focus on appearance/snide attack proving useless
..The doctors let you out again?..
I would not be bringing up stuffs about "impression" and such like...
As usual you show yourself up as a gutless (= yellow) coward making snide dumb remarks behind a nick name :/

Chosen to try to manipulate readers psyche re american folk-lore of an ideal "Uncle Ira" why so insecure ?

Shown you up/proven before; defamatory, lying & on quotes too a useless dumb bully :/

Grow up !
Focus on topics, on some (any) Science even basic Physics, Chemistry, consider/discuss consequences, any dialectic & convergence on any essential truths & how to educate beyond mindless propaganda,

Why are you so feeble & impotent, you've been here since Feb 2014, learned nada, why so incapable ?

You're not psychologically or intellectually equipped to be here only snide remarks - thats all - ugh !

grow up, get with the program or go away

Nov 18, 2016
Uncle Ira (Irate) confirming focus on appearance/snide attack proving useless

Blah, Blah, and Blah.

Good. Glad I could help.

get with the program or go away
Cher, you are the one who wrote for me a How-you are-Ira-Skippy. If you did not want me to How-you-are back to you, why you even start it off? Choot, I was not even writing anything on this article until you just up and out of the blue How-you-are-ed me.

Cher, why you don't just prance around pretending to be the scientist with the crankpots like you are so fond of doing? I for certainment can not be that much fun for you.

Nov 18, 2016
Uncle Ira satire
Cher, I would not be bringing up stuffs about "impression" and such like. It's not like you are not under a burden in that department, non
Really - bring it on ?

I can prove/demonstrate/articulate any and all my claims, rationale re Provenance on any and all my discussions whether dialectic or debates. From my many university qualifications over 40yrs to shareholdings to stock day trading $600K/day to associations globally to consultancies - you name it :P

Whereas you, mindless nickname Only have history of pain & suffering Bullying making things up, start with your most simple - strident claim caught - chance to grow up & apologise !

Eg claimed my ebay account closed for theft
http://www.ebay.c...e_engine

But, when challenged ran away like the Feeble Bully you are claiming google's fault !

You Failed IQ didnt check - a mere idiot !

Opened 2002, never closed, 100% rating ! prove me wrong, not smart are yah ?

Learn Physics !

Nov 18, 2016
Uncle Ira (Irate) - Liar & Cheat claims
Cher, why you don't just prance around pretending to be the scientist with the crankpots like you are so fond of doing?
Wrong, you are feeble & mere bully, I can prove ALL my qualifications, claims etc

You've Nada ! You only defame, threaten, lie & cheat

For those reading a sad diatribe by a gutless nickname caught, I'm graduate of Curtin University in Perth (Bentley) Western Australia & from when it was Western Australian Institute of Technology (WAIT)

Student number is 07602128 so Anyone can easily check asking student services which will contact me for suitable release:-
http://www.curtin.edu.au/

CV
WAIT Electronic Engineering 1976-1982
- during which added non degree units:- Artificial Intelligence, Japanese, Psychology, Metallurgy etc
Curtin additional to 1982 added a Ba Sci 2008 in Electronics (as tech changed - update)
Curtin Post grad Food Science & Microbiology 2010 - 3 distinctions

You are Irate & fake !

Nov 18, 2016
Uncle Ira satire
Cher, I would not be bringing up stuffs about "impression" and such like. It's not like you are not under a burden in that department, non
Really - bring it on ?
You come to me Skippy. I do not bring you anything.

I can prove/demonstrate/articulate any and all my claims, rationale re Provenance on any and all my discussions whether dialectic or debates. From my many university qualifications over 40yrs to shareholdings to stock day trading $600K/day to associations globally to consultancies - you name it :P
What all that blahing got to do with anything? Maybe you one of those couyons with the delusions of grandeur mixed up the narcissistic mental conditions, eh?

apologise !
Oh boy, here we go again. How that work out for you last time?

You Failed IQ didnt check - a mere idiot !
Coming from somebody with mental conditions that is supposed to bother me?

Learn Physics !
Learn it your self.

Nov 18, 2016
For those reading a sad diatribe by a gutless nickname caught, I'm an interweb couyon that has the Hysteria Disorder and the Narcissistic Disorder and the Borderline Personality Disorder, which is okay because physorg lets me play out my delusions of grandeur in a safe place where I can't really do any harm, just make the fool out of my self.
Good on you Mikey-Skippy, it seems like the doctors are making some progress.

Student number is 07602128 so Anyone can easily check even though nobody in the world really cares but I like to tell everybody all about it because it makes me feel like I am a real scientist
And I sure wish you would get back to it with your crankpot slaying hobby.

You are Irate & fake !
Cher, you are the one who sounds irate, I feel fine and dandy. Anyhoo, I got to get busy on my work so maybe we can fool around some more tomorrow, eh?

Nov 19, 2016
Uncle Ira (Irate) nicely proves my case - can't face ANY challenges re his idiot claims
.. just make the fool out of my self
Yes !
Indeed you FAILED to prove ANY of your stupid claims ?

Eg Show onlookers where you claim google "told" you my ebay account was ever closed ?

- Why can't you do that ?

- & prove your most recent Idiot redneck claim I'm a "pretend" Scientist, why can't you do that ?

Irate almost there .. with your crankpot slaying hobby Playing victim, proves you're the crankpot !

Irate claims
I feel fine and dandy
Indeed only an idiot would be fine making dumb claims any person can check are false :/

Irate can't prove ANY of his claims & writes 2 posts = banal noise, no Science, no Physics, no Chem, not even anything on topic, in other words Uncle Ira (Irate) proves my case Perfectly he's a mindless numb-nut coward nickname following me, write on topic please, if you can on topic eh ?

Focus, man up & own up you are caught (again) !

Nov 19, 2016
Liar Uncle Ira caught (Again) claims
I do not bring you anything
Wrong again !

You started on; ugly, sad socipathic manipulative bullying behavior & choosing nickname to try to get into psyche of the emotionally malleable ie "Uncle Ira" from old American folk-lore :/

You're caught often betraying your ugly intent Only getting on the bandwagon Bullying retired people older than you & in most un-intelligent way :/

You claim I need doctors & have mental condition, huh prove it ?

Think man, re my ebay profile along with my student info at Curtin University

You imagine ebay allows a mental patient to indicate their uni qualifications on their profile ?
http://www.ebay.c...e_engine

Check ?

You imagine people can't check Curtin Uni, would they bestow so many qualifications to a mental patient ?
http://www.curtin.edu.au/

Check ?

Who has a mental condition; he who Lies, Cheats & is Caught or he who shows up cranks ?

Grow up - you coward nick !

Nov 19, 2016
Without any quantification, this is just more dumb gobbledy-gook. I want to see some numbers about what sort of resources will be necessary to make this happen before I relax and declare the problem solved.

Might just as well be talking about fusion power.

Nov 19, 2016
@ Mikey-Skippy. How you are again this morning Cher? I am still good, thanks for asking.

You go to the same schools as Really-Skippy to learn how to talk like a scientist?

choosing nickname to try to get into psyche of the emotionally malleable ie "Uncle Ira" from old American folk-lore
What old American folk-lores? Ira-Skippy is my name Cher. You don't like it, tuff, I do like it fine.
You claim I need doctors & have mental condition, huh prove it ?
Why they have to spend so much time on you if you don't need them?

You imagine ebay allows a mental patient to indicate their uni qualifications on their profile ?
What, you think ebay is a couyon free zone?

Check ?
I seen what happens to peoples who send you the checks, I'll pass on that if it is all the same to you.

he who Lies, Cheats & is Caught
That would be glam-Skippy.

he who shows up cranks ?
That is what you think you do.

Both of you are really bad at it.

Nov 19, 2016
You wouldn't find 1000+ ppm CO2 concentrations very comfortable. We've evolved under low CO2 and it causes our blood acidity levels to shift, which results in poor cognitive performance and discomfort above about twice the current atmospheric CO2 concentration.
........and you know this because? Can you post links to specific CASE EXAMPLES of contemporary humans having lived under such conditions for an extended period?


Nov 19, 2016
Look into the Kursk. If you think we have not tested this it is time to go to school.

Nov 19, 2016
Nobody here is a skippy. We have a few cranks and many phonies who hide behind phony names, but no skippies.

Maybe the silly affectation of Cajun-speak is not going over here, where we know you do not talk like that in reality. It is all some silly game which you call "The Uncle Ira Show". Please take it to Twitter. It is on your level.

Nov 19, 2016
and you know this because? Can you post links to specific CASE EXAMPLES of contemporary humans having lived under such conditions for an extended period?


1000 ppm is a general indoors air quality standard indicating poor ventilation.

http://newscenter...ormance/

On nine scales of decision-making performance, test subjects showed significant reductions on six of the scales at CO2 levels of 1,000 parts per million (ppm) and large reductions on seven of the scales at 2,500 ppm. The most dramatic declines in performance, in which subjects were rated as "dysfunctional," were for taking initiative and thinking strategically.


When the outdoors CO2 levels reach twice the current levels, about 800 ppm, people will be regularily suffering much higher concentrations indoors, and have to rely on gas scrubbers to maintain performance and comfort.

Nov 19, 2016
When the outdoors CO2 levels reach twice the current levels, about 800 ppm, people will be regularily suffering much higher concentrations indoors, and have to rely on gas scrubbers to maintain performance and comfort.


When dinosaurs roamed the planet CO² was 2000-6000 ppm. Maybe it was a sudden drop in CO² causing them to go extinct? Seems to me that lifeforms on Earth at that time was more prolific than it is presently and in places that are presently so darn much colder today than then. I'll take warmer temps anyday if it leads to greater proliferation for sustenance of the planet.

Nov 19, 2016
The trouble with sequestering carbon is that you are also sequestering oxygen. You go on doing this for too long, and you will sequester all the oxygen in the atmosphere. To me this seems to be a dangerous course to start on.

Nov 19, 2016
It's the sun.

"the polar bears will be fine" - Freeman (knows more about it than you do) Dyson.

Nov 20, 2016
Uncle Ira confirms a stupid Liar/Cheat
You go to the same schools as Really-Skippy to learn how to talk like a scientist?
Again you FAIL proving me wrong !

Why so Feeble adding erratic comments, WTF is 'Really-Skippy' ?

Nil substantiation, no proof, nothing helpful - why is that ?

Are you so stupid you continue claims without any evidence/substance ?

Already told you, studied @ Curtin University, student No 07602128 are you ill ?
http://www.curtin.edu.au/

Prove me wrong, even a little, can't you do that ?

I'm also participant on international Alzheimers forum, my profile
https://www.alzfo...e-massen

Ah ha, another opportunity to prove me wrong, can't you ?

Also prove your other claim my ebay account closed
http://www.ebay.c...e_engine

Why can't you do any above ?

Each time you reply you compound your Failures & confirm your idiocy,
you cannot prove ANY of your stupid claims against me !

Physics please :P

Nov 20, 2016
matica claims
.. trouble with sequestering carbon is that you are also sequestering oxygen
Crap ! Go back to basic chemistry, re carbonates, oxides, nitrates, sulphates, do the molar mass calcs overall please ?

Show us math or apologise making dumb un-researched claims going nowhere that Mislead - do you want to be known as ignorant of BASIC math, chem even simple logic ?

matica claims
You go on doing this for too long, and you will sequester all the oxygen in the atmosphere
Really ?

Show the rationale, maths, the scale, ANY quantification, numbers please ?

Clear you haven't accounted for simple fact there's been a huge amount of CO2 in the ground re fossil fuel that Included large amount of oxygen for millennia before we started burning en masse ~ 200 yrs ago - yet we had plenty of breathable air then didn't we ?

You heard of arithmetic ?

matica says
.. a dangerous course..
Yes, any claims made from lack of education are Dangerous & stupid !

Nov 20, 2016
Uncle Ira confirms a stupid Liar/Cheat


@ Mikey-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am good, thanks for asking.

Cher, you need to settle down. If the doctors see you getting this worked up on the physorg they might quit letting you come here to play scientist.


Nov 20, 2016
Uncle Ira writes
Cher, you need to settle down. If the doctors see you getting this worked up on the physorg they might quit letting you come here to play scientist
Prove your claims or grow up, its obvious you can't therefore you're a complete idiot asking for ever more dressing down :/

Prove at least 1 of your nasty claims against me - why haven't you, why can't you ?

You mutter again re doctors when evidence in Your posts shows definitively you've
nil aptitude for dialectic/debate in ANY technical environment focusing only on
unsupportable claims to throw mud !

You only have ugly claim, nothing helpful or useful, you're sick

You say mental conditions - your quote "..blah.." proves clearly you're unraveling
& especially so, you've NOT proven any of your claims against me, why ?

So very feeble !

Why so dumb making unsupportable claims & ADD to them attracting even more
attention so no-one will ever trust your meandering foolishness ?

Out-classed !

Nov 20, 2016
Uncle Ira writes
Cher, you need to settle down. If the doctors see you getting this worked up on the physorg they might quit letting you come here to play scientist
Prove your claims or grow up, its obvious you can't therefore you're a complete idiot asking for ever more dressing down :/
You mean about the mental conditions stuff? Cher, you are making my point for me. If you get so much unhinged and wild over somebody like me, I can see why the doctors have to put you up sometimes, for your own good.

attracting even more attention so no-one will ever trust your meandering foolishness ?
And there is proof I am smarter than you. What kind of attention are you attracting? It is not flattering Cher. And why you think I care who trusts me or don't trust me? You are just another couyon on the interweb and can not make or break my day.

Out-classed !
If you say so. Now can you give us one more demonstration of you mental symptoms for the class?

Nov 20, 2016
Now proven Uncle Ira (Irate) mindless this is a public forum with posts locked
.. doctors see you getting this worked up on the physorg they might quit letting you come here to play scientist
That's the key & supreme problem for you, you see this as a childish game - as internet relay chat :/

Children make stupid claims & run away but, learn to grow up.

Unfortunately you STILL make stupid unsupportable claims same as Captain Stumpy (CSt), yet
no retraction, no apology, no dialectic - nothing adult or in any way helpful to anyone !

You Fail to appreciate posts are effectively locked, your history ugh !

Now messing around barking on "couyons", "Cher", "Skippy", "Really" WTF is it - other than language of the unhinged, get help ?

Throughout all this you still Fail to prove ANY of your nasty claims against me !

Why be so very stupid acting like an idiot making claims you never substantiate ?

Why litter forums with childish banal claims, learn key Science !

Nov 20, 2016
@ Mikey-Skippy. I am concerned about your mental well being Cher. If you get this unhinged and over involved with your little fantasies here on the physorg, maybe you should leave off it until you can get your mental balances back, eh?

Cher, this is just the comment section of the physorg, it's really not the place to look for the validation and measure of how great you are. You got the delusions of being the great scientist and they are not ever going to be validated by fooling around with couyons like me.

You take me too serious Cher, and that never going to end well for you. And you take your self too serious too, and that is why I am so much more smarter and mentally well adjusted than you.

Now why you don't sit over there with your silly looking pointy cap and ponder what it is that is really causing your angst, eh?

Nov 20, 2016
@Benni
You are not aware of the most basic facts about CO2.
...........zany Zwicky guy, it's CO² and this is a basic fact.

Nov 20, 2016
Why don't we force Ira to go back to Twitter, where this adolescent stuff is regular material?

His buddy, Trump uses it. Louisiana is Trump Country, where they get 40% of their state operating budget from the blue states, as welfare. We workers in the blue states are sick of supporting the stupid uneducated and lazy goobers in the red states.

Nov 20, 2016
Uncle Ira is really annoying and useless.

This is excellent research because we WILL manually adjust the atmospheric CO2 levels one day to a great extent. Because we will have to. And tech like this or even unlike this paves the way.

Nov 20, 2016
Why don't we force Ira
Yeah, why we don't? Sounds like something that will be big fun to watch, again.

His buddy, Trump uses it. Louisiana is Trump Country, where they get 40% of their state operating budget from the blue states, as welfare. We workers in the blue states are sick of supporting the stupid uneducated and lazy goobers in the red states.


Still doing the lying thing to make sure you look stupid? 1) Cher, you know I vote the straight democrat ticket. I only tell you that a dozen times. 2) I got a really good paying job and don't get welfare. 3) You are not a worker, you are a tired and retired old pothead. 4) And last, you guys are still a great big source of fun with your new flood of threats to the management. (If you get your feelings hurt by the silly things I say, you would really be broken hearted by the ridicule you get in the front office.


Nov 20, 2016
I don't want take sides or anything but I can't even comprehend the level of talk in here. For example this mike nickname. He makes claims that he has an university degree but still writes stuff like:

"Many I'm working with are of the well considered view Coal will continue but with reductions, that's already happening in Australia but, there's asymptotic low we haven't reached yet & even when we do there'll still be CO2 emissions - key issue is will those emissions be; offset, utilised as resource Eg deferment re methanol etc or sequestered & helpful as building material."

Like how can someone get a degree if the level of writing is that. What has happenned to grammar and usage of correct size letters. Nobody, and I really mean NOBODY, would pass any university degree here with that level of writing even though english isn't our native language. Some goes to these guys flaming all over all topics. Didn't university teach you proper argumentation?


Nov 20, 2016
@ James-Webb-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am good, thanks for asking.
Uncle Ira is really annoying and useless
I bet you did not know that the nice peoples at physorg made a special thing just for peoples like you. Assuming that you are not too stupid to use it. Here, I will try to explain him to you.

Down there, at the bottom of this, hover the arrow on your computer and wave it around. When you do that, you will get to pick some things to do. One of them says something like "I-Don't-Want-To-Be-Annoyed-With-Useless-Stuffs-From-The-Ira-Skippy". Click on him and you will never be annoyed by useless Ira-Skippy stuffs again. Cool, eh?

Now if that is difficult for you, all you got to do is send me another "How-You-Are?" message with my name in him to attract my attention again and I'll see if I can help you out.

Nov 20, 2016
He makes claims that he has an university degree but still writes stuff like:

"Many I'm working with are of the well considered view Coal will continue but with reductions, that's already happening in Australia but, there's asymptotic low we haven't reached yet & even when we do there'll still be CO2 emissions - key issue is will those emissions be; offset, utilised as resource Eg deferment re methanol etc or sequestered & helpful as building material."

Like how can someone get a degree if the level of writing is that. What has happenned to grammar and usage of correct size letters. Nobody, and I really mean NOBODY, would pass any university degree here with that level of writing even though english isn't our native language. Some goes to these guys flaming all over all topics. Didn't university teach you proper argumentation?


He thinks writing like that gives him professorial gravitas. He learned to do it by having pretend conversations in the rubber rooms.

Nov 20, 2016
@stuttering f-ing illiterate mike TROLL
make stupid unsupportable claims same as Captain Stumpy
1- repeating a lie don't make it more true

2- still OT mike
... and still can't read basic english?

thanks for confirming that...

again

the evidence is still here: http://phys.org/n...ens.html

you still haven't read the studies

you're still are cross-posting OT content that directly proves you're either:
illiterate
stupid
ignoring evidence
(take your pick)

.

-you want to bait into a fight?
perhaps you should consider taking this to a moderated forum where i can trounce you with the evidence yet again?

No, you won't do that - you can't get away with lying there
you would be banned

it's "Best to man up, admit you made an error and apologise"
otherwise, i will simply ignore you and abide by STOLEN VALOR LIAR-kam's requests...

now back to your regularly scheduled sputterfest in who-knows-what language

Nov 20, 2016
And from where does the Cher, oeiiyie, skippy nonsense spring?

In which rubber room did you practice that?

And where did it go in that last post?

Mike is real,and is working in the field. He does not need to put on some affectation or comment on the quality of somebody's house or put down others.

And he uses his real name. Who are you, . . really? Why do you hide behind a phony name?


Nov 20, 2016
Some goes to these guys flaming all over all topics. Didn't university teach you proper argumentation?
@cortezz
actually, yes... and you have a valid point
the problem is that some people refuse to see evidence

so when you make the same point over and over, especially to a "university degree" respondent, then it becomes tiresome

mind you, this isn't an excuse, but i am also working on something that requires them to occasionally be poked

you can learn a lot about what people think by letting them go off and rant, shove their beliefs in people's faces or argue a point with their self-perceived authority
Like how can someone get a degree if the level of writing is that
obviously English isn't his first language


Nov 20, 2016
"you can learn a lot about what people think by letting them go off and rant, . . "

Such as this?

"@stuttering f-ing illiterate mike TROLL"

"STOLEN VALOR LIAR-kam"

"FOAD"

Nov 20, 2016
Still trolling for attention george? Despite what they might say, psychopaths need people. Victims. You all judge your value by how many you can trick.
Of all the dumbest things you've written among all the dumb people who make things up this is just as bad
Hey mikey future gens might actually want to warm the planet to keep it from freezing over (again). Nothings forever. And returning sequestered CO2 to the atmosphere might be an easy way of doing this. Like a thermostat.

No matter what we do, AGW effects from fossil fuels will be over in 300-400 years and then what will liberals have to gripe about? The machine singularity reading their thought-emails?

Nov 20, 2016
This is a rather primitive but great start to controlling our climate. Ideally we would want to be able to sequester or release enough CO2 in a controlled manner to keep global levels at constant level (which may need to be adjusted over time due to the Sun). Eventually we would want to control all air content levels. These type of technologies will be more important in the future and on other planets for terraforming purposes.

Nov 20, 2016
You wouldn't find 1000+ ppm CO2 concentrations very comfortable.


What arrogant nonsense. First, I'm a certified closed circuit mixed gas re-breather diver, but that really doesn't have tremendous bearing on my experience other than to demonstrate I understand the physiology of carbon dioxide very well; my life literally depends on it.

CO2 isn't even noticeable below concentrations of 20,000 ppm and isn't toxic until it reaches 50,000 ppm, 5% of the atmosphere. Life evolved at much higher levels than are observed currently and below 200 ppm all plant life begins to die.

I strongly suggest you study the subject before holding forth with nonsense like this. It's actually possible the uninformed might take you seriously.

Nov 20, 2016
BackBurner (BB) with monumental stupidity & ignorance claims
CO2 .... we're starved of it from an evolutionary perspective
Of all the dumbest things you've written among all the dumb people who make things up this is just as bad and despite fact you've been here since Feb 2016 & learned NOTHING about basic Physics & Chemistry re CO2
and blah blah blah...

Mike, did you learn physics and chemistry reading the transactions on this site or maybe watching Star Trek re-runs? I thought so.

Go to school Mike. Learn something.

Nov 20, 2016
Mike Massen burbles:
Spot on & although some humans can adapt quickly a great deal of other life will not & our food sources (plant AND animal) will be under serious threat from all the combinations of effects from shifts in plant biochem equilibria re proteins/carbs ie cyanogens, lignin density..


Then goes on to spout even more pseudo-scientificy bullshit.

Mike? Get a job.

Nov 20, 2016
You wouldn't find 1000+ ppm CO2 concentrations very comfortable. We've evolved under low CO2 and it causes our blood acidity levels to shift, which results in poor cognitive performance and discomfort above about twice the current atmospheric CO2 concentration.
........and you know this because? Can you post links to specific CASE EXAMPLES of contemporary humans having lived under such conditions for an extended period?


Bernie -

Of course. Consult "The Physiology and Medicine of Diving", Peter Benet, M.D. ed. 4th edition, for all of the data.

US Navy submarines regularly operate under conditions not to exceed 4000 ppm CO2 and have been doing so for decades. Those are very conservative limits and set for extended exposure. Survivable short term exposure to CO2 is much higher, on the order of 20,000 ppm.

Nov 21, 2016
The adults are back in charge of government funding of science and education. Propaganda science is not going to be a safe space.


Indeed. Beijing's adults.
I am not sure if Chinese is a good 'lingua franca' for science, or maybe we should settle for German.


Nov 21, 2016
[...] results in poor cognitive performance and discomfort above about twice the current atmospheric CO2 concentration.


Interesting, I didn't knew these implications.

BTW, I found this study:

https://www.cambr...D1E3349A


Nov 21, 2016
How can there by a hundred comments already, and no one brings up the subject of cost. What is cost of collecting and then transforming and injecting CO2 in basalt, on a per ton basis?

If economics isn't served, it is never going to be a viable option.
It just becomes a shouting contest over nothing.


Nov 21, 2016
I am not sure if Chinese is a good 'lingua franca' for science, or maybe we should settle for German.

Why not? The language of science has changed over the years. First it was latin, then french, german, russian and now it's english. With an increasing number of publications coming from China the next one may well be chinese. But with automatic translation systems getting ever better that may be not so much of a hassle for scientists as it was in the past.

Nov 21, 2016
You wouldn't find 1000+ ppm CO2 concentrations very comfortable. We've evolved under low CO2 and it causes our blood acidity levels to shift, which results in poor cognitive performance and discomfort above about twice the current atmospheric CO2 concentration.
........and you know this because? Can you post links to specific CASE EXAMPLES of contemporary humans having lived under such conditions for an extended period?



What about miners? Submarine crews? Wine workers? Beer brewers?

Quite by accident, I was searching for this data as I am interested in extreme physiology (I am a sporter),

https://www.blm.g...apxC.pdf

It happens that there are quite a lot of such studies, as CO2 is rather common and exposure to relatively high amounts is common. It's not as if we just invented C02 ;)

Nov 21, 2016
How can there by a hundred comments already, and no one brings up the subject of cost. What is cost of collecting and then transforming and injecting CO2 in basalt, on a per ton basis?

If economics isn't served, it is never going to be a viable option.
It just becomes a shouting contest over nothing.


In cults, dogma prevails, so cost be damn. It's just one way for the cult to fulfill their desire for doom and gloom.

Nov 22, 2016
I don't need to ignore you Uncle Ira. I just need to point out how annoying and useless you are.

Nov 22, 2016
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Nov 22, 2016
I don't need to ignore you Uncle Ira. I just need to point out how annoying and useless you are.


Well Cher, if that is what you "need" to do, don't let me hold you up,,,, Laissez les bons temps rouler Skippy.

Nov 22, 2016
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Nov 22, 2016
Wouldn't that be "roulez", and not "rouler"?

Real speakers want to know.


Real Cajun French speakers already know. Rouler is correct for us..

Nov 22, 2016
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Nov 22, 2016
I suggest you look up the difference and use the correct version.

http://www.urband...20roulez


I suggest you actually READ your own link and quit working so hard at looking stupid.

Nov 22, 2016
Ahaahaaaaa next he will be trying to teach the pope spanish.

How deep is your sickness george?

Nov 22, 2016
The Pope speaks Portuguese.

How bad is your fixation on me?

Nov 22, 2016
The Pope speaks Portuguese.

How bad is your fixation on me?


Cher, you are on a roll today, eh? The Pope is an Argentinian, they speak the Spanish there..

Dec 07, 2016
I strongly suggest you study the subject before holding forth with nonsense like this. It's actually possible the uninformed might take you seriously.


I did quote a study that shows a cognitive effect at 1000 ppm.

Don't believe it - take it to the authors, not me:

http://newscenter...ormance/

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