Panel offers advice on how to combat climate-change "neoskepticism"

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A small panel of researchers has addressed what they suggest is a new threat to combating climate change—neoskepticism—where people believe climate change is real, but do not believe there is anything that can be done about it, by penning a letter addressing adherents in a Policy Forum piece in the journal Science. The essayists, Paul Stern with the National Research Council, John Perkins with The Evergreen State College, Richard Sparks with the University of Illinois and Robert Knox with the University of California outline the ideas behind neoskepticism, explain why they think it is dangerous and then offer some ideas on how to address related issues or concerns.

The researchers begin by noting that in addition to deniers (who they suggest are typically out for political gain) there are now people they describe as neoskeptics—people who believe that using money to combat the problem of rising due to human is a waste, in large part because scientists cannot prove one way or another what might happen. They suggest this new way people have of dealing with needs to be addressed by the scientific community because it represents a new threat to undoing the movement to curb emissions.

The authors suggest that the crux of such arguments boils down to differences of opinion regarding a tipping point, and indeed if there even is one. But they note such arguments ignore the enormity of acting as if there is no reason to worry, pointing out that the longer we wait to curtail emissions the higher the risk of extreme negative environmental impacts. They suggest that the scientific community needs to start working under previously encountered uncertainty situations, such as when chemicals like DDT were outlawed. They further suggest that the way to prevent neoskepticism from creeping into the national debate is for the scientific community to find better ways to frame the debate. Instead of offering doom and gloom scenarios, they propose, why not offer ideas in ways that are familiar to people, such as comparing the risk of continuing on in our dangerous ways with people buying life insurance.

The authors conclude by acknowledging that offering better models to the public to help combat efforts by those arguing against making efforts to combat climate change likely will not end skepticism, but they believe it just might help those in position to make decisions, make better ones.


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More information: P. C. Stern et al, The challenge of climate-change neoskepticism, Science (2016). DOI: 10.1126/science.aaf6675
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Aug 12, 2016
"neoskepticism" How about addressing neo-luddism, or the outright rejection of technological solutions. How about addressing Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change and her comment "This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," "This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history." The only economic model in the last 150 years that has ever worked at all is capitalism. Saying something like that just reinforces GW skeptics that the intent is socialism not the environment.


Aug 12, 2016
Why do CC "experts" now refer to Climate Change as opposed to Global Warming? Are we fighting warming and cooling at the same time? (They will fight each other) Or is it because we started with cooling, then switched to warming, and now don't know where we are?

Aug 12, 2016
"A small panel of researchers"

Sorry, this is a small panel of "activists". Scientists don't speak of "movements" nor do they attack rational skepticism. I find it bizarre that their goal is to control/steer a conversation in a particular way beneficial to them instead of simply working on the solutions they say we are wrong to doubt.

Aug 12, 2016
Why do CC "experts" now refer to Climate Change as opposed to Global Warming? Are we fighting warming and cooling at the same time? (They will fight each other) Or is it because we started with cooling, then switched to warming, and now don't know where we are?

I believe it has been changed to dispute evidence of 'Global Cooling'. That way they can just show that the climate is changing, not getting warmer?
In any case, I would imagine that climate changes constantly, so if they are pressing an idea, I don't see the point.

Aug 12, 2016
"neoskepticism" How about addressing neo-luddism, or the outright rejection of technological solutions.


How about addressing Hypothesis Myopia? (Collecting evidence to support a hypothesis, not looking for evidence against it or other explanations)

Aug 12, 2016
Oh, what is a desperate AGW Cult to do, when reality defies their dogma of doom and gloom, and their preachings er...excuse me..lies can only attract the ignorant Chicken Littles to their flock? Well, they can waste millions of your tax dollars on a cabal to prefix the heretics label with "neo" and further marginalize the intelligent.
The AGW Cult is following the playbook of that other infamous cult before them; the Church. Soon enough we shall see burnings of the DANGEROUS heretics, followed by the abuse of innocent children.

Aug 12, 2016
Everyone criticizes these people.
But how come fossil business interests don't make their war plans public?
There are asymmetries in this alleged debate that point to the truth.

What is more capitalistic than green power? Maybe someday anyone with property could cheaply set up solar panels and a battery station and get a check in the mail.

The idea that green energy is anti capitalist is a fake narrative, it does decentralize the power industry, but i think that is a good thing for consumers

Aug 12, 2016
The atmosphere is effectively 60 miles thick. Think of every car and plastic thing on this planet. Imagine the Co2 tanks at a Coca-Cola manufacturing site for carbonating our sodas.
Co2 is a fundamental corner stone of the manufacturing industry, the idea that we don't emit enough of it, in the tiny envelope we call our atmosphere to have any effect is preposterous.

Aug 12, 2016
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Aug 12, 2016
With those that profit saying that they're having no effect. You'd deal with it directly, I'd venture to guess. Why aren't we?

How is the AGreatWanker?
I see you are still driving. Now imagine if you stopped paying those evil fossil fuel companies for their products how little they would profit. So, why aren't you?
PS. Don't forget those meds.

Aug 12, 2016
The idea that green energy is anti capitalist is a fake narrative, it does decentralize the power industry, but i think that is a good thing for consumers


Subsidies in general are technically anti-capitalist but CAN be a temporary solution in times of market transition guided by policy. This can be a good or bad thing. Ethanol has been a bust but I'm sure farmers are still getting subsidies for it. That's one of the problems... once the government starts something, whether it be a program, tax, or in this case subsidy, it's nearly impossible to stop because the only concern becomes self-preservation.

I'm not sure how this relates to the above article however. You seem to be assuming that once we convert to green power that we'll see "positive" effects on the climate.

Aug 12, 2016
The propaganda is getting pervasive.

Aug 12, 2016
@victor_gallagher:
How about addressing Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change and her comment
What needs addressing is how you ignore the context of the statement and present it in a way that suggests nefarious intent. She was talking about the way governments and industry must work together for a common cause that crosses the normal physical and geo-political boundaries. You should read her stuff, she has some very cognizant ideas of how to make that all work within the framework of capitalism.

It is not her saying what she did that "reinforces GW skeptics that the intent is socialism not the environment", it is the misquoting and out of context portrayal of her comments that does that.

By denialists. In an effort to invoke fear.

Aug 12, 2016
The propaganda is getting pervasive.

Not for the EU Cult of Magical Lightning though, thank gawd. They remain an insignificant speck in the science community, where they belong. They should take a page from the Shakers - celibacy worked wonders for that cult! You should try it!

Aug 12, 2016
Why do CC "experts" now refer to Climate Change as opposed to Global Warming? Are we fighting warming and cooling at the same time? (They will fight each other) Or is it because we started with cooling, then switched to warming, and now don't know where we are?
Well because Climate Change is a catchall that includes global warming. It was done to placate some naysayers who were found of pointing out that there are some areas of the planet that will experience a slight cooling before joining in on the overall heating of the planet.

There was never a serious discussion of cooling, as most chemists, physicists and climatologists agreed that GHG's, exp Co2, would likely lead to warming. That has been pretty obvious since the 60's or so.

It was a Conservative named Frank Luntz who first promoted the term, by the way. He wanted to help the Bush re-election campaign, and coined the term because it sounded less scary then global warming.

Aug 12, 2016
"A small panel of researchers"

Sorry, this is a small panel of "activists". Scientists don't speak of "movements" nor do they attack rational skepticism. I find it bizarre that their goal is to control/steer a conversation in a particular way beneficial to them instead of simply working on the solutions they say we are wrong to doubt.
It is because there are so many idiots, such as yourself, who are duped (in your case) or paid (like Heartland) to spread misinformation and doubt, that such panels have become necessary. So that the truth can be heard by the vast majority who really have no idea what global warming actually is, how the science nearly 100% supports it and how a small group of billionaires are trying to suggest it is something different.

Aug 12, 2016
No one understands the physics of climate change. No model to date is close to reality. There is no doubt, in such a situation, the common man will take refuge in 'a belief system'. That's pure pseudo-science.

Aug 12, 2016
No one understands the physics of climate change. No model to date is close to reality. There is no doubt, in such a situation, the common man will take refuge in 'a belief system'. That's pure pseudo-science.

Utter bullocks. The physics of climate change are grade school physics. Even you can do them.

Models have been used to give indications of how the climate will behave, and have been remarkably accurate. If you are expecting them to predict whether or not it will rain when you turn 16, they can't. But generally, they have been very good at predicting the behavior of the climate due to increasing heat energy and they are getting better and better.

How about you go back to grade 6 and start over from there?

Aug 12, 2016
Yeah. @guptm is just a paid for freaking anti-warming troll. No doubt about that one. You also have the Trumpian parade represented by the 'all hale' antigoracle. Physics to them is just a bunch of facts that can be skewed and twisted with propaganda.

Aug 12, 2016
Utter bullocks. The physics of climate change are grade school physics. Even you can do them.

Models have been used to give indications of how the climate will behave, and have been remarkably accurate.

Magganus repeating the AGW Cult's rant.
Tell us magganus, if we stop burning fossil fuels what would the earth's temperature go to?
Would that be the normal temperature for the earth?

Aug 13, 2016


Oh, what is a desperate AGW Cult to do, when reality defies their dogma of doom and gloom, and their preachings er...excuse me..lies can only attract the ignorant Chicken Littles to their flock? Well, they can waste millions of your tax dollars on a cabal to prefix the heretics label with "neo" and further marginalize the intelligent.
The AGW Cult is following the playbook of that other infamous cult before them; the Church. Soon enough we shall see burnings of the DANGEROUS heretics, followed by the abuse of innocent children.


Monkeyyyyy, i see we're going to have some fun here today, still struggling to understand the science ? what are you preaching here anyway ? sounds like a rant/rally for some more bananas eh ? :D

Aug 13, 2016
Spend $1B on a plant...that forces C02 into storage underground. No products, no point. Use C02 as a fracking medium, get it to work for its existence.

Aug 13, 2016
With those that profit saying that they're having no effect. You'd deal with it directly, I'd venture to guess. Why aren't we?

How is the AGreatWanker?
I see you are still driving. Now imagine if you stopped paying those evil fossil fuel companies for their products how little they would profit. So, why aren't you?
PS. Don't forget those meds.


But your sockpuppet cantdrive still can't drive, is the visual cues still too much to process ?

Aug 13, 2016
Utter bullocks. The physics of climate change are grade school physics. Even you can do them.

Models have been used to give indications of how the climate will behave, and have been remarkably accurate.

Magganus repeating the AGW Cult's rant.
Tell us magganus, if we stop burning fossil fuels what would the earth's temperature go to?
Would that be the normal temperature for the earth?

No use in giving you any figures as you only can think of now and not tomorrow, the positive effect not burning filthy fossil fuels would have on earth over time would be impossible for you to comprehend, hence the circus you find yourself in while everyone sees your stupidity, and by us i assume you mean YOU and your socks, cause it's all there is on your side and everyone knows it ;)

Aug 13, 2016
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Aug 13, 2016
Goracle and his puppets raking in the 1s like flies on dung, this is going to be fun to watch

Aug 13, 2016
"A small panel of researchers"

Sorry, this is a small panel of "activists". Scientists don't speak of "movements" nor do they attack rational skepticism. I find it bizarre that their goal is to control/steer a conversation in a particular way beneficial to them instead of simply working on the solutions they say we are wrong to doubt.


You find it bizarre that scientists are trying to steer a conversation so as to prevent a catastrophe of epic proportions. Yeah. We should all sit back and be arm chair skeptics while the planet burns. Would you also find it bizarre that the pilot of plane would try to alter a course that would lead to a crash? Perhaps even then you would sit back and question the science of his decision.

Aug 13, 2016
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Aug 13, 2016
How about all those climate change goons focus on deforestation in Amazonia and Congo, instead of threatening with taxes on driving a car and similar bullshit? Because changing albedo and water retention in vast tropical regions definitely changes global circulation a lot.

Aug 13, 2016
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Dug
Aug 13, 2016
"Skeptic" implies doubt that their is a global approach to solving anthropogenic impacts on the planet, its environment, its ecosystems, its atmosphere and its oceans. Since human species has yet to come to terms that its gross overpopulation of the planet and the related acquisition of that overpopulation's critical resources is the only cause of the symptoms/impacts, there is zero chance that any solutions will be successful in eliminating the source problem - way too many humans. As with any disease mitigating symptoms might the patient more comfortable, but it doesn't treat the cause or change the progression and the outcome until it does. Human population growth is still 1.3 percent and climbing currently.

I'm currently dissecting the 1,752 pg. UN 1st Global Assessment of the marine environment. It primarily is focused on human impacts on the marine environment. Searching the 1,752 page document the terms "human overpopulation" or "overpopulation" is not found even once.

Aug 13, 2016
The only way you guys will convince me climate change is a lie, is by explaining what happens to the Co2 we emit.
The amount released by humans divided by the amount absorbed back to the earth, say over a year or a decade.
Fossil fuel beds are ancient forests. In order to put that carbon back, we have to let that amount of mass in forest live out its life cycle.

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Aug 13, 2016
I do perceive sorta funny, when people downvote peer-reviewed articles from most respected journals
@tinitus-zeph the pseudoscience troll
just so you know, i didn't downrate the journals, i downrated your interpretations of the evidence

why?

1- because history has shown (repeatedly) that you're incapable of comprehending any evidence that refutes your own religious like belief in DA/AW delusions

2- because you've not been able to validate your claims WRT the evidence

just because you believe something doesn't mean it's real or true
and repeating a lie doesn't make it more true later (you know, like your aether beliefs and reddit page links?)

what is comical is that you ASSume your correct (pluralistic ignorance) because of your D-K and scientific illiteracy: if you learned real physics you wouldn't be supportive of your religion like you are

Try it: maybe you will like knowledge over delusion
http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

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Aug 13, 2016
"thus, progressive theories are 'the facts' that either validate or invalidate the evidence."
http://www.newsma.../598864/

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cantdrive85 1.8 /5 (19) 23 hours ago
The propaganda is getting pervasive.


But you said that more and more nut cases thinking they've met ET is indicative that extraterrestrials are visiting us.

No. Intellectual. Integrity.

Ever.

Aug 13, 2016
Pumastar 4.4 /5 (7) 11 hours ago
Goracle and his puppets raking in the 1s like flies on dung, this is going to be fun to watch


That's an insult to dung! :-)

Seriously, dung can be useful. antisciencegorilla never is. And, if his lot have their way, that will be even truer...when it's what's for dinner. Gawd, with LieBasedLogic, MentalRetard#166 and antisciencegorilla, it's like we're in an 18th century episode of Black Adder. Those three could accomplish what was meant to be humor. Literally, if you take "the vote" to mean "have a say in climate/social policy".
"Give the likes of Baldrick the vote and we'll be back to cavorting druids, death by stoning and dung for dinner..."



lol.... you just made it even more funnier, well said :) :)

Aug 13, 2016
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Aug 14, 2016
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Aug 14, 2016
Very, very unfortunately Phys.Org doesn't prevent multiple accounts from the same ip adress. And neither do they kick out trolls. So..., we have to do it _manually_.

Suggestions:

1. Do not feed the trolls.

2. Stupid comments come from stupid people. One stupid comment is enough to spot them, do not worry for loosing any useful contribution. So, after ONE stupid comment, use the "IgnoreUser" option, available at the bottom of every comment.

3. Use the option at the top of the Comments, to allow showing only comments above a certain rating. My experience showed that 3.1 works wonderfully.

4. Do not feed the trolls.

Aug 14, 2016
We shall all petition Phys.Org

-- to forbid more than 2 or 3 accounts from the same ip adress.

Two accounts are already too much. Everyone has an internet enabled phone plus their home computer.

-- to forbid access to anti-science trolls.

Not understanding is not the same as not agreeing. If they dont understand, it should be explained to them. But not agreeing means anti-science. Kick them out.

Aug 14, 2016
If you were a real skeptic you'd be wondering why it was Big Oil's own data that first documented AGW, yet they pay congress critters to deny it. That should make one skeptical. It doesn't your lot. You're not skeptics. You're acolytes. Why do you think so many of the Church of the EU are deniers? They'll fall for any scam that makes them "special". Losers crave that. That's why you're posting here.

LOL.
AGreatWankerer again refusing to take his meds.
AGreatWankerer, if you were a real Chicken Little you'd be wondering why it was Big Oil's own data that first documented AGW, yet YOU PAY THEM to burn their oil. That should make one hypocritical. It does your lot. You're not skeptics. You're Chicken Little shits. Why do you think so many of the Cult of the AGW are retards? They'll fall for any scam that makes them "special". Retards crave that. That's why you're using over a dozen suck puppets to spew shite here.

Aug 14, 2016
Perhaps being able to contrast the sickness of goracles post above

The typical response from the Chicken Little shit retard, who remains willfully blind to the fact that he gave a 5 to the gem I was responding to and the following.
Antisciencegorilla: "Oh, I'm having dung for dinner tonight!"

That's not a sickness, that's pure Chicken Little shitness. But then, he's going for Retard of the Year so it's unsurprising.

Aug 14, 2016
Antisciencegorilla: "Oh, I'm having dung for dinner tonight!"
That's not a sickness, that's pure Chicken Little shitness. But then, he's going for Retard of the Year so it's unsurprising.


Naa he's going for gold ;) On the other hand YOU'VE been going for the monkey of the decade award, and i must say i can see no one else taking it, you've outstupified yourself 6 love to any remote competition and no one can even come close, i bet you'll be taking the monkey of the century award too after this one... i'll have the bananas ready for you... ;) :D

Aug 14, 2016
Antisciencegorilla: "Oh, I'm having dung for dinner tonight!"



i can hear the buzz of his fly wings flying towards it already... :D

Aug 14, 2016
The typical response from the Chicken Little shit retard,


Thank you goracle - you could not have made the point better if you had paid someone to do it for you.

You are welcome, Retard of the Year.
https://www.youtu...QeUoPOi4

Aug 14, 2016
The entertainment value from reading all this Commentary about CLIMATE far exceeds anything that can be found on Sunday morning church TV. Keep it going guys, I'll check back for more entertainment later in the day after my son & I have split another cord of firewood for burning in the woodstove & fireplace come winter. Oak is so easy to split.

Aug 14, 2016
We are not able to change the weather because ...

FritzVonDago
weather isn't climate. Nobody who understands the difference between weather and climate claims we can change the weather. But we can change the climate.

Aug 14, 2016
We are not able to change the weather because ...

FritzVonDago
weather isn't climate. Nobody who understands the difference between weather and climate claims we can change the weather. But we can change the climate.

And, how would you know you have changed the climate? What would you look for and measure?

Aug 14, 2016
Show trials and re-education camps would be the best solutions.

Aug 14, 2016
Academic Fraud for money is a CRIME OF FRAUD.
Just like any other Fraud for Money scheme (the FemFraud grossly untrue numbers on Sexual Assault) these are Crimes of Fraud to Obtain money.

The Pro-Climate-Change Scientists are acting as criminals creating a Criminal Fraud Scheme.
They need to be arrested, the money obtained by fraud taken from their estates, savings, and incomes, and these fraud-endorsing scientists need to be arrested and jailed for many decades. Because quite simply, the act of criminal fraud to obtain money is a crime worthy of long jail times. The African-American Testing Fraud Gang in Atlanta, Georgia mostly got 7 years of jail time for changing test scores to "right answers" to get "teacher performance bonuses" and that also was quite simply Criminal Fraud.

Aug 15, 2016
And, how would you know you have changed the climate?

I as an individual am not changing the climate; humanity is. But I play my small part. Science says we are changing the climate; that's how I know.
What would you look for and measure?

In the case of man made global warming, scientists would look for increase in average yearly global temperatures above and beyond that which can adequately be explained by any known natural causes.

Actually, the recent cooling of the stratosphere relative to the troposphere that has been observed is the unique signature of CO2 warming and thus, because we are the cause of that CO2 increase, rules out all known natural causes.

Aug 15, 2016
The typical response from the Chicken Little shit retard,


Thank you goracle - you could not have made the point better if you had paid someone to do it for you.

You are welcome, Retard of the Year.
https://www.youtu...QeUoPOi4


six one's for that comment ir baboon, more coming soon ;)

Aug 15, 2016
We are not able to change the weather because ...

FritzVonDago
weather isn't climate. Nobody who understands the difference between weather and climate claims we can change the weather. But we can change the climate.

And, how would you know you have changed the climate? What would you look for and measure?

In a cooling climate, those monkey braincells might start to work, so one of the signs woud be to see if you can try and understand the science.

Aug 15, 2016
The question isn't so much whether anything can be done, but whether anything should be done and what is it. Whether it's apt to rush into upending societies and spending vast amounts of effort into uncertain ends or even adverse consequences if we're talking about geoengineering by, say, seeding the atmosphere with sulfur.

First, the climate cause must be separated from political cause to ensure that people aren't trying to use it to further an unrelated social agenda.

Second, the costs and benefits must be estimated honestly, such that for example we're not ignoring the enormous benefits from the opening of the north sea route and the landmasses that become available for transit and habitation.

Which is easier: trying to change the entire world, or adapting to a changing world? After all, there is suffering in poverty as well, and the means which you try to use against climate change are not necessarily effective or efficient in practice.


Aug 15, 2016
All above............guys, please.........it is now Monday morning, would the congregation of the Church of the Holy Hockey Stick please do your final genufleck & go back to your retirement villas until next Sunday.

Aug 15, 2016
It is because there are so many idiots, such as yourself, who are duped (in your case) or paid (like Heartland) to spread misinformation and doubt, that such panels have become necessary. So that the truth can be heard by the vast majority who really have no idea what global warming actually is, how the science nearly 100% supports it and how a small group of billionaires are trying to suggest it is something different.


So if I call you an "idiot" (as your propensity to insult everyone who doesn't swallow the doom narrative of AGW often illustrates you are) then that suddenly erases any merit of your argument? Cool... I can see the temptation of that lazy shortcut to debate. Unfortunately, it doesn't score you a single point with anyone except those that think exactly like you. Sort of defeats the purpose doesn't it?

Aug 15, 2016
So if I call you an "idiot"
@jeffe
nope
it all boils down to the evidence

the point is that you're intentionally ignoring the 10K plus studies to concentrate on what you believe, which means the term "idiot" is technically the definition of what you're doing
http://www.merria...ry/idiot

because ignoring empirical evidence for the sake of delusion is technically stupid
http://www.merria...y/stupid

consider it a realistic label of behaviour you're demonstrating on the forum rather than just another ad hominem

also note: when someone tries to have a logical methodical science discussion with another, it's discourse
when said "other" ignores the evidence of reality, repeatedly, and argues the same point repeatedly despite having the evidence to the contrary, it becomes "Stupidity" or "idiocy"

at that point logical discourse is not able to be done
hence the label for the trolls

deal with it- you earned it

Aug 15, 2016
So if I call you an "idiot" (as your propensity to insult everyone who doesn't swallow the doom narrative of AGW often illustrates you are) then that suddenly erases any merit of your argument? Cool... I can see the temptation of that lazy shortcut to debate. Unfortunately, it doesn't score you a single point with anyone except those that think exactly like you. Sort of defeats the purpose doesn't it?
Jeepers I didn't think I would have to explain this to you as well! I was answering your question numb-skull. Your arguments have had no merit based on their content, you are simply an idiot for believing the lies of Watts and others in the face of overwhelming evidence against those lies.

I liken it to not guilty by reason of mental defect. Your thought process is defective, leaving you open to suggestion by those who have reason to gull you.

Aug 15, 2016
The question isn't so much whether anything can be done, but whether anything should be done and what is it.
So instead just leave it and hope it goes away? That's your counsel?
First, the climate cause must be separated from political cause to ensure that people aren't trying to use it to further an unrelated social agenda.
By doing something like, oh say, having scientists study it to determine if it is correct?

Second, the costs and benefits must be estimated honestly, such that for example we're not ignoring the enormous benefits from the opening of the north sea route and the landmasses that become available for transit and habitation.
Enormous? To whom? So you are, in essence, saying that the plight of the globe outside of those who ship across the Arctic to each other is of no consequence.

Tell me Eikka, do you ever go back and read what you actually are saying?


Aug 15, 2016
antigoracle spewed "You are welcome, Retard of the Year." Welcome to another episode of Ranty Anti's Verbal Diarrhea Show...

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Benni1.6 / 5 (9) Aug 15, 2016
All above............guys, please.........it is now Monday morning, would the congregation of the Church of the Holy Hockey Stick please do your final genufleck & go back to your retirement villas until next Sunday.


Speaking of sticks, how about you pull the broomstick out of your ass, get dressed and go out and visit the real world instead of trolling science sites.

"genufleck"? Do the home schooled not even get dictionaries? Is that one of those evil textbooks you are always referring to?

Benji/bshit thinks the only object worthy of genuflection is a mirror.

Aug 16, 2016
antigoracle1.4 / 5 (33) Aug 12, 2016
With those that profit saying that they're having no effect. You'd deal with it directly, I'd venture to guess. Why aren't we?

How is the AGreatWanker?


He really gets obsessed with people, no? The lifelong obsession with Al Gore- I haven't been on here in months and he's still seeing me in every post!

The myth of the good troll is part of the denier universe. Without it they'd have to admit what a small, pitiful minority they are.

Aug 16, 2016
Where the 5-star backslappin' crew continues to go awry is in presuming that I (or any skeptic) have completely thrown observation out the window which is untrue. I've noted many times in comments that CO2 concentrations and temperatures are increasing. What is open to debate is the actual rate of warming (since we can't seem to decide if AST, SST, or heat are the best indicators), how these interpolated numbers compare to past temperatures for which we only have low resolution proxies, what it means for the planet now and in the future, and what we can do about it. If you say that science has the answers to these things and that only immediate action via drastic, overreaching legislation is the answer to inevitable doom, you are outright lying. I'm tired of playing nice with stubborn and insulting people who haven't the ability or will to acknowledge the gaps in their own thinking.

Aug 16, 2016
Everyone criticizes these people.
But how come fossil business interests don't make their war plans public?
There are asymmetries in this alleged debate that point to the truth.

What is more capitalistic than green power? Maybe someday anyone with property could cheaply set up solar panels and a battery station and get a check in the mail.

The idea that green energy is anti capitalist is a fake narrative, it does decentralize the power industry, but i think that is a good thing for consumers


It's not a fake narrative, it isn't the narative at all, you're confused. The problem with renewables is they're unreliable and unfit for baseload power production. It's not a political problem, it's an engineering problem, which is why buffoons like these "scientists" who sit around playing word games instead of actually trying to solve the problem they want everyone to get behind don't understand it. They're pathetic whiners.


Aug 16, 2016
The myth of the good troll is part of the denier universe. Without it they'd have to admit what a small, pitiful minority they are.

LOL. What a surprise you disappeared when I called you and your suck puppets out.
You and your myriad of suck puppets make such a fantastic majority for the Chicken Little flock.
The only truth you've ever posted is now admitting you are the AGreatWankerer.
Now be nice to the nurse and take your meds.

Aug 16, 2016
I'm tired of playing nice with stubborn and insulting people who haven't the ability or will to acknowledge the gaps in their own thinking.


You mean Marxist thugs that don't have two brain cells between them? Morons that don't want to present a valid scientific case because "there's no time! We must act!" Those idiots?

Yep. I'm pretty tired of being nice to them too.

Aug 16, 2016
BackB, you are incorrect. Perhaps it is your ignorance of the progress we have made which drives you to that "reason".

Want to discuss it? We have saved 440 gallons of gasoline since we started powering our car with the PV panels on our roof. What have you done? Anyhing? Or are you STILL polluting?

Aug 16, 2016
Bring back dueling. All the deniers on here look to be proper cowards. You think poor terrified antisciencegorilla would go near the field of honor? Never. But good conservatives like you should work with people like me to accomplish it.


I'll work with you, but I'm a scientist and a pragmatist and I don't hold with your antique notions of romance, so here's a suggestion; you and all your pals pick a spot somewhere remote like the Australian outback or central Utah and gather there on a date we can both agree on?

Then we'll just drop a 10 megaton thermonuclear device on you and be done with it. You won't feel a thing. A flash of bright light and all your pain will be over. Never have to pump a bike uphill or suffer eating fried kale again. Really, we'd be doing you all a favor.

Aug 16, 2016
"Then we'll just drop a 10 megaton thermonuclear device on you and be done with it."
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All by yourself?

Instead of your need to punish and destroy, why not outgrow it and join us in a clean environment?

Aug 16, 2016
So instead just leave it and hope it goes away? That's your counsel? By doing something like, oh say, having scientists study it to determine if it is correct?


It may not be an orriginal idea, but it's a good first step. It would be nice if a few scientists were consulted. Folks like Judith Curry, Roy Spencer, Tim Ball to name a few. Real scientists maybe. Wouldn't that be a novel approach?

Aug 16, 2016
Perhaps a more novel approach is to earn a Master of Science in the field, as I did.

Shall we discuss it? We can start with ocean acidification.

You first.

Aug 16, 2016


All by yourself?


Sure. "we'll" do that all by myself.

Instead of your need to punish and destroy, why not outgrow it and join us in a clean environment?


Outgrow? Junior I live in the most pristine environment imaginable. I'm surrounded by ancient forests as far as the eye can see in every direction and I'm completely self-sufficient from an energy perspective, I operate a 60KwH grid tied solar array that provides me uninterruptible power. I sell energy.

See, I put my money where your mouth is several decades ago. I'm tired of you people telling me I don't understand the problem; You don't understand the problem and when idiots like auntianti "call me out" I'll mention that I really don't have enough time left to deal with each one of them on an individual basis so I prefer treating them like the useless cockroaches they are.

Got it?

Aug 16, 2016
See, I put my money where your mouth is several decades ago.

If you are responding to gskam, then you have him confused with someone who isn't a pathological liar. Gskam's mouth is where his anus is, hence those "gems" he posts.

Aug 16, 2016
Thanks, anti. I wondered whose nose was in my anus.

Backburner, was your need to live alone in the woods your idea, or of the rest of society? And why are you trashing others for promoting alternative energy?

BTW, power is rated in kW, not kWh. I think you are ignorant of technology.

Aug 16, 2016
A 10 megaton device? Where are you going to get it? Our biggest in the inventory of which I am aware is the nine-megaton bomb carried in pairs by the BUFFs.

Gonna build it by yourself, or what? Got Tritium and a krytron? A plutonium "pit"? Beryllium? Neutron reflectors?

Just wond'rin'.

Aug 16, 2016
Thanks, anti. I wondered whose nose was in my anus.

Take a deep sniff. One problem though, I doubt you'll be able to tell if it's your mouth or anus you are smelling.
Any who, you are welcome.

Anymore questions? Like why you are a lonely old pathological liar, trolling the forum, posting lies in the hope someone would pay you some attention and hated by everyone.

Aug 16, 2016
No, anti, you are the crank, pumping out drivel and offensive nonsense. If you disagree with someone, they are vilified, as if you were Trump.

You hate it when some of us put our money where it belongs and invest in clean energy. You REALLY hate the fact I have and use an EV and power it with the Sun.

Keep on polluting and attacking others, it's the Conservative Way.

Aug 16, 2016
BTW, power is rated in kW, not kWh. I think you are ignorant of technology.


Not only a moron, a pedantic moron. Congratulations.

Aug 16, 2016
anti has a champion here, though. It is Auntie Ira, who gives me a one every time I go against anti.

But since many skeptics are such out of political prejudice, we cannot educate them all.

Burner, who is the one who did not understand power versus energy?

Describe your system in detail. Tell us about your kWh "grid" from which you "sell" power. Who lets you do that?

Aug 16, 2016
A 10 megaton device? Where are you going to get it?


Idiot. Castle Bravo was 15 megatons. You seem bent on bringing a knife to a gunfight, go for it.

Aug 16, 2016
Castle Bravo, at which one of my co-workers was a technician on one of the ships controlling another, was NOT a deliverable device.

Your "gun" lost its cork.

Aug 16, 2016
Did you know we got the "Secret" of a deliverable bomb from the Rooskies? Yup, the Teller configuration did not work until Stanislaus Ulam corrected it, and was still undeliverable, being the size of a three-story building.

We saw from the residues that the Rooskies used a powder, Li6 Deuteride, which made it practical, and we copied them.

Aug 16, 2016
Burner, who is the one who did not understand power versus energy?


You really are an pedantic little twerp aren't you? Are you seriously going to try arguing that subject? You want it in kW, do the math, or did they not teach you how to divide in school?

I buy and sell energy in kWh. It's the metric used by utilities. If you're promoting this technology you really ought to spend a little time understanding it.

Aug 16, 2016
To whom do you sell kWh?

Yes, I understand kW and kWh, even before being a utility engineer for PG&E in the 1980s. I want to know how you are a utility, able to sell power legally.

Anyone can say as much, and get as nasty as you.

Aug 16, 2016
Hmm, 60 kW is equal to about 235 of the panels we use today. If yours are old, they are probably not as efficient. How many do you have? How much did it cost you to build that?

I think you are grossly exaggerating.

Aug 16, 2016
BTW, power is rated in kW, not kWh. I think you are ignorant of technology.


Not only a moron, a pedantic moron. Congratulations.

LOL.
Come on, gskam got a Master of Science.

Aug 16, 2016
Yeah, I earned it, like I paid for my PV and EV. It is what Good Citizens do. What have you done for society?

Mouthed off?

Aug 16, 2016
TAnyone can say as much, and get as nasty as you.


You haven't seen nasty yet you little bug.

Aug 16, 2016
I understand kW and kWh, even before being a utility engineer for PG&E in the 1980s.


Oh good lord. A PG&E "utility engineer" huh? So you're a retired meter reader. It figures, and it explains why you can't do division.

Aug 16, 2016
Oh good lord. A PG&E "utility engineer" huh? So you're a retired meter reader. It figures, and it explains why you can't do division
Why encourage a serial liar? People have already made the effort to expose george kamburoffs lies about being an engr, winning awards, earning degrees, etc. Its all lies, all recorded here at physorg.

George is a psychopath who enjoys making people suffer by responding to his lies. He thinks tricking people is a superior skill because he thinks he is a superior person.

George doesnt realize that superior people dont have to trick people. That is what makes them superior.

Poor george never had the talent or brains to make anything of himself. And so he spent his time learning how to trick people into thinking that he had.

But losing 12++ jobs, buying an MS so he could lie about what it was for, and making up stories about awards and EV and PV, tells us all we need to know about the REAL george kamburoff.

Aug 16, 2016
Sorry for feeding the troll. New here. I'll quit.

Aug 16, 2016
rules out all known natural causes.


Rules out? Known causes? Really? And you call that science? You decide you have an answer, don't bother to find *any* supporting evidence for your beliefs, don't bother looking for *anything* but the pet answer you're already convinced is true, then declare victory because none of the things you *didn't bother looking for* explain the hoked up "data" you claim to have but won't show anyone, because "they just want to prove you wrong"?

It's exactly that sort of delusional thinking that causes everyone to laugh out loud when you make your absurd proclamations. You've walked into the wrong room bozo, a few of the people here are real scientists.

Aug 16, 2016
You are in the wrong room. What kind of "scientist" does not know kW from kWh?

And, yes, I was Senior Energy Services Engineer in Technical Services for PG&E, leaving in 1987 to do Power Quality training for EPRI.

Tell us what kind of "scientist" you are.

Aug 16, 2016
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Aug 16, 2016
These ideas don't die out. They die out when the last person holding the belief dies.

I see the AGreatWankerer, is still not heeding the good advice of his health care professional by not taking his meds.

Aug 16, 2016
And, yes, I was Senior Energy Services Engineer in Technical Services for PG&E, leaving in 1987 to do Power Quality training for EPRI.
.

LOL.
You know what they say -- Those who can't do, teach. Why would anyone leave a high paying Senior Engineer's position to take a measly teaching job?
Tell us, how many days was it before PG&E discovered what a fraud you are?

Aug 16, 2016
Thank heaven school starts soon, so we won't have anti here any more.

Aug 16, 2016
Someone should finally clean antigoracle off this site.
It may take a few rolls of toilet paper though.


Good idea. But just to help him out, I wan't to suggest an experiment @antigoracle and all of the denier crew can try. Take a 100W lightbulb, turn it on and leave it on in your house for a month. When you get the next electric bill, read your KW/hrs and your cost. (30*24*100 KWh). Now imagine reversing that so instead of using 100Watts, you creating 100Watts all of the time for the next 25 years or better.

Aug 17, 2016
Someone should finally clean antigoracle off this site.
It may take a few rolls of toilet paper though.


Good idea. But just to help him out, I wan't to suggest an experiment @antigoracle and all of the denier crew can try. Take a 100W lightbulb, turn it on and leave it on in your house for a month. When you get the next electric bill, read your KW/hrs and your cost. (30*24*100 KWh). Now imagine reversing that so instead of using 100Watts, you creating 100Watts all of the time for the next 25 years or better.

Uh huh, just to help you out. Next time you manage to extricate yourself from your man crush, Al's rectum you can suggest that to him.

Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth'? -- A $30,000 Utility Bill
http://abcnews.go...p;page=1

Aug 17, 2016
Thanks for the kind thoughts there @antigoracle.

Aug 17, 2016
Where the 5-star backslappin' crew continues to go awry is in presuming that I (or any skeptic) have completely thrown observation out the window which is untrue. I've noted many times in comments that CO2 concentrations and temperatures are increasing. What is open to debate is the actual rate of warming (since we can't seem to decide if AST, SST, or heat are the best indicators), how these interpolated numbers compare to past temperatures for which we only have low resolution proxies, what it means for the planet now and in the future, and what we can do about it.
Do you know what the IPCC is?
If you say that science has the answers to these things and that only immediate action via drastic, overreaching legislation is the answer to inevitable doom, you are outright lying. I'm tired of playing nice with stubborn and insulting people who haven't the ability or will to acknowledge the gaps in their own thinking.
Do you know what a strawman fallacy is?

Aug 17, 2016
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Aug 17, 2016
You are in the wrong room. What kind of "scientist" does not know kW from kWh?

And, yes, I was Senior Energy Services Engineer in Technical Services for PG&E, leaving in 1987 to do Power Quality training for EPRI.

Tell us what kind of "scientist" you are
See? The psychopath george kamburoff desperately wants to demonstrate his lying skills because he is so very proud of them.

George himself showed that he didn't even know how to spell kwh, let alone what it meant.

Because he never learned. He didn't think he had to. He lied about it a few times and found he could get away with it. Wheee! What a thrill!

Psychopaths feel so little about so much.

Aug 17, 2016
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Aug 17, 2016
If you read his stuff, you will see it is a cry for help. but this is the wrong forum.

Aug 17, 2016
Thanks for the kind thoughts there @antigoracle.

Tsk...tsk...with you head so far up your man crush, Al's rectum, I can see why you would think that someone shitting on you, is kind. Now, extricate yourself and inform him of your "brilliant" idea with that lightbulb.

Aug 17, 2016
What is your fixation on the anus of others all about?

Aug 17, 2016
Do you know what a strawman fallacy is?


I do and that wasn't one as the shoe fits a good number of you here.Do you know what "circumvention" means?

Aug 17, 2016
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Aug 17, 2016
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Aug 17, 2016
How is being an armchair psychologist not just another kind of lying sociopath?
Sorry sheik Ive got all 10 of your sickpuppets turned off so I cant read this.

Aug 17, 2016
Perhaps a more novel approach is to earn a Master of Science in the field, as I did.

Shall we discuss it? We can start with ocean acidification.

You first
We can discuss what makes george kamburoff continue to lie about the honorary MS he bought for 'life experiences' when everybody here knows its a lie.

Oh right its because hes a psychopath.

Aug 17, 2016
I directed this feedback at the phys.org editors:

How can you condone this kind of filth on your blog? Please clean out the scum.

Meaning "antigoracle" of course.

Of course you did, after all when the Retard of the Year looks at itself in the mirror it sees a genius.

Aug 17, 2016
I don't suppose any of you remember what the article was actually about at this stage?

Phys.org isn't going to moderate any time soon. So put them on ignore and move on.

Aug 17, 2016
I think it is more of a concern whether any news that the media reports is genuine. Climate change just happens to coming to light during a bad era of fake news reporting. It is more of a case of "in the wrong place at the wrong time!" There is too much news on the internet and on TV and only 10-20% are proven facts or proven past occurrences and most of those are on the local news.

Aug 18, 2016
The atmosphere is effectively 60 miles thick.

1m3 of air weighs roughly 1.3 kg at sea level.
The pressure at sea level is typically 1kg per cm^2.
That gives a height 10.000/1.3 m ~ 8 km or 5 miles.
That illustrates how little air we have.
The fact that real density profile slowly fades over a much longer distance does not change this.

Being factual, providing clear explanations and high quality education to the public with strong parental involvement creates the right conditions for the debate.

The Retard of the Year berating others about being factual, providing clear explanations and high quality education to the public.
Go find someone with a brain to read the following and explain, how ignorant and wrong you are.
https://en.wikipe...pressure
LOL.

Aug 18, 2016
I do and that wasn't one as the shoe fits a good number of you here.
So, actually you don't know what a strawman is. Basically, one builds a strawman by inventing a caricature of his opponent's position – a "straw man" – that is not the position that his opponent actually holds. For example, by claiming that one who accepts the science that says that humans are warming the climate through their emission of GHGS, is also claiming that only immediate action via drastic, overreaching legislation is the answer to inevitable doom, you are presenting a strawman. It is also an example of false dichotomy, but I digress.
Do you know what "circumvention" means?
Certainly. Not that you can give an example where I have done this.

Interesting that you focus on the logical fallacy (here and elsewhere) while ignoring the first question. You did not allude to it even obliquely, and instead attempt to change the discourse and concentrate on ad hominem attacks.

Aug 18, 2016
Basically, one builds a strawman by inventing a caricature of his opponent's position.....claiming that one who accepts the science that says that humans are warming the climate through their emission of GHGS, is also claiming that only immediate action via drastic, overreaching legislation is the answer to inevitable doom, you are presenting a straw man.

Magganus at his "best" again.
https://www.googl...c+action

https://www.googl...e+change

https://www.googl...e+action

All hail magganus the strawidiot.

Aug 18, 2016
@antithinking
I forgot. You only believe in bullshit.
Is it the smell that you love or the structure?

The Retard of the Year, needs to remember what a retard it is.
It tries to calculate the height of the atmosphere and instead confirms the height of its ignorance.

Aug 18, 2016
Phys.org isn't going to moderate any time soon. So put them on ignore and move on.
I sense a disturbance in the farce, leet. Well, that, and all the deleted comments strewn throughout the forum... kinda hard to get an accurate sock-body count. Where's Ira with the skinny?

Aug 18, 2016
Phys.org isn't going to moderate any time soon. So put them on ignore and move on.
I sense a disturbance in the farce, leet. Well, that, and all the deleted comments strewn throughout the forum... kinda hard to get an accurate sock-body count. Where's Ira with the skinny?


You're right. It looks like they're finally realising this laizze faire moderation policy was driving its more-serious audience away.

Aug 18, 2016
Phys.org isn't going to moderate any time soon. So put them on ignore and move on.
I sense a disturbance in the farce, leet. Well, that, and all the deleted comments strewn throughout the forum... kinda hard to get an accurate sock-body count. Where's Ira with the skinny?


You're right. It looks like they're finally realising this laizze faire moderation policy was driving its more-serious audience away.

Now if only they would take some suggestions. antioracle is a blight, and there are others that are almost as bad.

Aug 18, 2016
"Where's Ira with the skinny?"
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Lots of water coming his way or already there. He is probably saving his family in that damn flooding disaster.

Shades of Randy Newman.

Aug 18, 2016
"Where's Ira with the skinny?"
--------------------------------

Lots of water coming his way or already there. He is probably saving his family in that damn flooding disaster.

Shades of Randy Newman.
Speaking of skin, how did yours get so thin that he got under it? He's not the one with so much experience that he packs a fishin' pole in a desert. You're the one with all that experience. Pretty sure he's fine, and he'd thank you for asking. The bigger the bayou the better, and laissez les bon temps rouler. [seriously, 13 fatalities so far there, your shades remark is in pretty bad taste]

Aug 18, 2016
"Where's Ira with the skinny?"
--------------------------------

Lots of water coming his way or already there. He is probably saving his family in that damn flooding disaster.

Shades of Randy Newman.
Speaking of skin, how did yours get so thin that he got under it? He's not the one with so much experience that he packs a fishin' pole in a desert. You're the one with all that experience. Pretty sure he's fine, and he'd thank you for asking. The bigger the bayou the better, and laissez les bon temps rouler. [seriously, 13 fatalities so far there, your shades remark is in pretty bad taste]
I agree. Also Ira, if you're reading this, I sure hope you're OK and just busy in the tug saving others.

Aug 19, 2016
Proto, stop reading negatives into my words. Randy Newman sang about the great flood in the 1920's or so with great humanity.

The "Cajun Navy" has already been credited with saving many of the lives so far. Do not put your own interpretation into my words. As I said, I assume he is saving his family. What would you be doing?

Aug 19, 2016
Proto, stop reading negatives into my words. Randy Newman sang about the great flood in the 1920's or so with great humanity.
gkam, that's not the song he's best known for and you know it. You opted not to provide a link or song title so stop being disingenuous.

Aug 19, 2016
Also Ira, if you're reading this, I sure hope you're OK and just busy in the tug saving others.


@ Maggnus-Skippy.

@ Proto-Skippy.

@ glam-Skippy.

Yeah I am fine. The family and most neighbors are just fine. The water is high but not a lot of severe flooding in my neighborhood. I happen to live on some of the highest land in this parish, 15 or 20 feets over the flood stage.

Other folks down here are not doing so good though. It's tuff for them. Mostly north of us. By the time the water get down here, it starts to spread out more and doesn't get so high as it does further up stream. But it is still pretty high, eh?

I've been off from work and yeah, helping as I can with my big truck and little boat some. Mostly up in Thibodaux and Labadieville.

Thanks for asking.

Aug 19, 2016
how little air there is

LOL.
The Retard of the Year, is worried about air, since the space between its ears is a vacuum.

One thing, antithink.
Every time you find a floating turd at work, don't report it here.
Thanks.

Well, someone found you and put you here to spread yourself all over the forum.

Aug 19, 2016
On every square cm rests a weight of 1 kg. That corresponds to 0.8 m3 of air at sea level pressure and temperature. Now force your squirrel brains to shape this volume into a column on a basis of 1 cm2. Then you get a height of 8 km or 5 miles. The point was that taking 60 miles as the height of the atmosphere does not show how little air there is in the last 45 miles.
If this point escapes you, no problem. You can still be useful to clean the toilets.

LOL. The Retard of the Year, tries to colour itself smart.
Firstly, kg is a measure of mass NOT weight.
Secondly, you are a retard.
I know this point escapes you, so no problem. You can still be useful to float in the toilets.

Aug 19, 2016
proto, do you need a link? If you get one will you apologize?

I suggest you look it up. I will have to get my recording and send it to you.

From where comes your nasty attitude?

Aug 19, 2016
Proto, I do not know Ira, but I have many friends near the water, having worked there for years as a consultant. Those are mostly poor folk, who have no way to protect themselves. They are no different than the Dust Bowlers who populated my little town in California, . decent, hard-working folk.

Go listen to Randy. He is real.

Aug 19, 2016
@antithink
Generally, it is the most vacuous that worries the least and has a preference for bullshit.
That would be you.
You still have not answered my question.
It it the structure or the smell that captivates you?

LOL.
The Retard of the Year, because of its condition, fails to realize, that in his case it's the astronomical size of the load of bullshit he is. And, it's his stench of stupidity that astonishes me.
Hey retard, find someone with a brain and ask them, as you are proposing in your simpleton example, if air defied physics and occupied the same volume/mass from sea level all the way up to 8km, would you be able to live in it?


Aug 19, 2016
Proto, I do not know Ira, but I have many friends near the water, having worked there for years as a consultant.
If that was the truth you would not say things like,,,,,

Those are mostly poor folk, who have no way to protect themselves..
There is "poor folk" no matter where you go Cher. In Lafourche Parish, the people are not more poor than anywhere else mostly. I mean, look at me. I am making more than some but not really unusual sort of Skippy in this area, I make over 80,000 a year, and Mrs-Ira-Skippette makes about 40,000.

You must have some sort of Hollywood idea of what we are like down here Cher. It is not like over in East Texas (what most of you peoples call Mississippi.)

Aug 19, 2016
Anti, why are you so disgusting?

Do you expect to convert anybody with that tactic?

Are you really otto?

Aug 19, 2016
Ira, go away.

You are here only to make silly and personal comments about others, not anything about the topic. And I am sure those fine folk in "East Texas" would find your stuff offensive, too.

Aug 19, 2016
proto, here is your link.

https://www.youtu...2iLoDUYE

Get stuffed.

Aug 19, 2016
Ira, go away.
How many times you say that for me Cher? Has it done any good for you yet? It's about as stupid as all the other goofy things you say over and over and some more overs.

You are here only to make silly and personal comments about others, not anything about the topic.
Skippy, that might be a good theory. Except for one thing. I only answered your comment about me. I was on the topic you came to me with.

And I am sure those fine folk in "East Texas" would find your stuff offensive, too.
Well I would certainly hope so. I wish they would find him offensive enough to stay over there like we stay over here.

Aug 19, 2016
" I wish they would fine him offensive enough to stay over there like we stay over here."
----------------------------

Going to "build a wall"?

Keep out them poor folk?

Learned nothing?

Aug 19, 2016
" I wish they would fine him offensive enough to stay over there like we stay over here."
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Going to "build a wall"?
Why would we do that? That don't make any sense at all. You don't seem to know any more about civil engineering than you do about all the other engineer stuffs you don't know much about.

Keep out them poor folk?
What is that supposed to mean? Something goofy I guess.

Learned nothing?
Yeah, I did learn something Cher. No matter how much I give you the chance to be left alone, you always come begging me for more of my attention. Why that is Skippy?

If you don't like I what I got to say, why you invite me to come say something? That's one of the ways we know you are "REAL" stupid.


Aug 19, 2016
George kamburoff the lying bullshit artist whines
Ira, go away
If everybody went away who has objected to your lies and bullshit, this would be an empty forum and you would be talking to yourself.

But you are already talking to yourself arent you Cher?

Aug 19, 2016
"What is that supposed to mean? Something goofy I guess."
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It refers to your hateful comment about who you call "East Texans".

Not goofy, but hateful.

Aug 19, 2016
It refers to your hateful comment about who you call "East Texans".
So you think calling peoples from Mississippi "East Bank Texans" is hateful? That is one more another reason to suspect you have not got much "experience" down here.

Don't take much to get your "hateful" umbrage up and going. How you know that the peoples over in East Texas don't think that is a compliment? It's not as hateful as when you call anybody who disagrees with you a goober or ignorant. Or when you call the Mardi Gras Indians cockroaches (Mrs-Ira-Skippette still has some really hateful things to say about you on that one. But not me, I just say it is because you are the couyon). Or call American military veterans "mass murderers" and such like.

Aug 19, 2016
and your are basically only talking to yourself

The Retard of the Year tries again to colour itself smart.
Please learn the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE.

Retard, first you claim kg is weight so it is obvious that you don't know what you are talking about.
You are just repeating something that someone told you because they recognized the idiot you are.

Aug 19, 2016
"Or call American military veterans "mass murderers" and such like. "
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You lose again. I said that of the cowardly civilians who sent our sons and daughters to kill for the political advantage of the stay-at-home draft-dodgers.

Where did you serve?

Get fooled by the panicked screams of "WMD!"?

If so, then you are responsible for those deaths more than I.

Aug 19, 2016
"Or call American military veterans "mass murderers" and such like. "
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You lose again. I said that of the cowardly civilians who sent our sons and daughters to kill for the political advantage of the stay-at-home draft-dodgers.

Where did you serve?

Get fooled by the panicked screams of "WMD!"?

If so, then you are responsible for those deaths more than I.


You lie again Skippy. So "East Texan" is hateful. But all that goofy stuffs up there is what? Smart? Wise? "REAL"? And you wonder why your are the object of ridicule and derision. Cher, you don't have any moral high ground. (But you sure are big funny pretending.)

You are as dumb as a cypress stump, and that's not me being hateful, that's me noticing what 99% of the other peoples here have noticed.

Aug 19, 2016
@Ira

Hope all is well down there, neighbor.
keep yourself safe and keep us posted on the situation, since you have experience others can't bring to the table

PEACE

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You lose again. I said that of the cowardly civilians
@STOLEN VALOR chronic liar-kam
Ira is correct- the evidence directly supports Ira, not you

you called any soldier who served in either gulf war a mass murderer as well as stupid and "duped"

by definition, this is libel and you can't refute your intentional and repeated denigration of any military member serving during those periods as you make it clear that anyone who served, regardless of position or reasons, is "duped" into being a "mass murderer", regardless of time of entry, service, position, or ability to refuse orders

http://phys.org/n...html#jCp


Aug 19, 2016
It is a matter of text reading. Ignore the continuous storm inside your own ....

It is a matter of being a retard, who does not know the difference between mass and weight on a science site and just parrots what has been used to fool an idiot. Ignore the empty space between your ears....

Aug 19, 2016
Rumpy, you pretend to be a veteran, like a lot of other big mouths. Show us. Prove it. I sent you to web sites with my name and picture on them. Who are you?

Aug 20, 2016
@STOLEN VALOR chronic liar-kam
Ira is correct- the evidence directly supports Ira, not you

you called any soldier who served in either gulf war a mass murderer as well as stupid and "duped"

by definition, this is libel and you can't refute your intentional and repeated denigration of any military member serving during those periods as you make it clear that anyone who served, regardless of position or reasons, is "duped" into being a "mass murderer", regardless of time of entry, service, position, or ability to refuse orders
About this, and the link. I noticed this:
i suggest everyone simply downvote and ignore the troll since ANY attention is a win for him
ANY attention at all
I agreed with that. I still do.

Aug 20, 2016
I agreed with that. I still do
@Maggnus
yep.

sometimes, however, there is the necessity of producing evidence so that others may actually see for themselves what is reality vs what is being claimed

.

this is like the arguments from religious nutters or the eu cults

standing alone without refute there is the probability that youthful or ignorant readers will assume, because this is a science aggregate, that it's scientific information and can be validated by reading said links
(this is how bad ideas and pseudoscience spreads - https://www.youtu...EwjBXlZE )

however, to the scientifically literate (which is not a large part of the populace) it is obvious bullsh*t

so the problem becomes:
when do you reply, and when do you ignore?
especially considering the necessity of the "attention seekers"?


Aug 20, 2016
How can we "convince" the deniers when they are not rational in their choice? It cannot be done. They will die screaming "LIAR!", like some here.

Looking up references on wiki will not do it.

Aug 20, 2016
Oh, and I suggest Rumpy stop the "swift-boating" of me. I proved who I am and where and when I served in the war, but Rumpy screams "STOLEN VALOR" while he hides his own alleged "service".

Let's see it, Mister Swift Boat. I get tired of internet snipers hiding who they are so they do not have to take responsibility for their own words.

Aug 21, 2016
Oh, and I suggest Rumpy stop the "swift-boating" of me. I proved who I am and where and when I served in the war, but Rumpy screams "STOLEN VALOR" while he hides his own alleged "service".

Let's see it, Mister Swift Boat. I get tired of internet snipers hiding who they are so they do not have to take responsibility for their own words.

Seriously bro, you need to stop doing this. You start it every time. Why not just shut up about it?

Aug 22, 2016
Seriously maggnus, I have to defend myself from the liars and snipers. I used my real name here. I must have pissed off Rumpy, who then unloaded on me. Tell us who you are so we can show you what it is like.

Do not blame it on me for identifying myself, I am not the nasty person here. My life has been one of honesty, but the internet has enabled folk who HIDE from the Real World so they can indulge their character.

I am not going to stay a victim of anonymous vandals and liars like Rumpy, who screams nasties but is himself the phony "veteran" he accuses others of being.

These guys got angry because I turned out to be real and had the experiences I said. they thought they caught a liar like themselves, but now they are just out-of-control, like in Real Life, which is why they hide their real identities.

I am not backing down.


Aug 22, 2016
antigoracle 1 / 5 (10) Aug 16, 2016

LOL. What a surprise you disappeared when I called you and your suck puppets out.
You and your myriad of suck puppets make such a fantastic majority for the Chicken Little flock.
The only truth you've ever posted is now admitting you are the AGreatWankerer.
Now be nice to the nurse and take your meds.


Typical antithink. Looks like he's still here and all those socks aren't. How does that work? Only if you're wrong. Again. He's emailed me the one day IP list he got last summer when he was in the Channel Islands. You're on it. You will be found in the course of time.

Typical of the kind of person that would suborn climate murder to make fun of mental illness as if schoolyard puerile behavior were acceptable in present company.


Aug 22, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 2.3 / 5 (3) Aug 17, 2016

How is being an armchair psychologist not just another kind of lying sociopath?

Sorry sheik Ive got all 10 of your sickpuppets turned off so I cant read this.


Ghastly Otto just as stupid as antithink. Actually, that's such a pitiful attempt to lie it makes George look credible. And you still haven't answered the question. The one you can't see. But you quote. Seeing it via one of your socks?

George has given me your contact info. We're both going to be paying a friendly visit, cum legal counsel. "Leeetle friend..."

Aug 22, 2016
Do not blame it on me for identifying myself, I am not the nasty person here. My life has been one of honesty, but the internet has enabled folk who HIDE from the Real World so they can indulge their character
"A woman with a staggering record of fraud, deceit, lies, and broken promises concluded a letter to the parole board with, "I've let a lot of people down… One is only as good as her reputation and name. My word is as good as gold.""
About this, and the link. I noticed this:
i suggest everyone simply downvote and ignore the troll since ANY attention is a win for him
ANY attention at all
I agreed with that. I still do
-So maggnus agrees that any psychopath who shows up here can commandeer any thread he wants to, like george does every day, and use it to make up all sorts of bullshit as he sees fit.

Sure, why not.

Aug 22, 2016
I am not backing down
Of course not. You were born sick. Its not something you can back down from.

"The World has only one problem, Psychopaths. There are two basic types of Psychopaths, Social and Anti-Social. The essential feature of Psychopaths is a Pervasive, Obsessive- Compulsive desire to force their delusions on others. Psychopaths completely disregard and violate the Rights of others..."

"The most controversial suggestion is to make it possible for individual who have severe personality disorders to be detained in secure mental institutions even if they have been accused of no crime."

-And I say the more we know about them the better.

Aug 23, 2016
The atmosphere is effectively 60 miles thick.

1m3 of air weighs roughly 1.3 kg at sea level.
The pressure at sea level is typically 1kg per cm^2.
That gives a height 10.000/1.3 m ~ 8 km or 5 miles.
That illustrates how little air we have.


Well in terms of breathable atmosphere it only goes up to 12,000 feet, about 2 miles, maybe a little more. So how many tons of air is that?

The fact that real density profile slowly fades over a much longer distance does not change this.


Sorry, I missed that point. Doesn't change what? You open the door at 52,000 feet and your lungs get sucked out your nose then you freeze almost instantly.

Being factual, providing clear explanations and high quality education to the public with strong parental involvement creates the right conditions for the debate.


Then lets start with the idea that the practical atmosphere ends at about 12,000 feet?

Aug 23, 2016
George has given me your contact info. We're both going to be paying a friendly visit, cum legal counsel. "Leeetle friend..."
Well then I will have to bake a cake wont I? But I will put poop in it and I wont tell you haha.

Sep 30, 2016
"antioracle is a blight, and there are others that are almost as bad." Now don't go insulting blights...

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