First image released from world's super radio telescope

Part of the ensemble of dishes forming South Africa's MeerKAT radio telescope is seen in Carnarvon on July 16, 2016
Part of the ensemble of dishes forming South Africa's MeerKAT radio telescope is seen in Carnarvon on July 16, 2016

Even operating at a quarter of its eventual capacity, South Africa's MeerKAT radio telescope showed off its phenomenal power Saturday, revealing 1,300 galaxies in a tiny corner of the universe where only 70 were known before.

The image released Saturday was the first from MeerKAT, where 16 dishes were formally commissioned the same day.

MeerKAT's full contingent of 64 receptors will be integrated next year into a multi-nation Square Kilometre Array (SKA) which is is set to become the world's most powerful radio telescope.

The images produced by MeerKAT "are far better that we could have expected," the chief scientist of the SKA in South Africa, Fernando Camilo said at the site of the dishes near the small town of Carnarvon, 600 kilometres north of Cape Town.

This "means that this telescope as is today, only one quarter of the way down (to its full contingent) is already the best radio telescope in the southern hemisphere," Camilo told AFP.

When fully up and running in the 2020s, the SKA will comprise a forest of 3,000 dishes spread over an area of a square kilometre (0.4 square miles) across remote terrain around several countries to allow astronomers to peer deeper into space in unparallelled detail.

It will have a discovery potential 10,000 times greater than the most advanced modern instruments and will explore exploding stars, black holes, dark energy and traces of the universe's origins some 14 billion years ago.

First image released from world's super radio telescope
MeerKAT First Light image. Each white dot represents the intensity of radio waves recorded with 16 dishes of the MeerKAT telescope in the Karoo (when completed, MeerKAT will consist of 64 dishes and associated systems). More than 1300 individual objects - galaxies in the distant universe - are seen in this image. Credit: MeerKAT

MeerKAT is being built in the remote and arid southwest of the Karoo region of South Africa that offers prime conditions for astronomers.

It will serve as one of the two main clusters of SKA. The other will be in Australia.

First image released from world's super radio telescope
Montage of MeerKAT First Light radio image and four zoomed-in insets. The two panels to the right show distant galaxies with massive black holes at their centers. At lower left is a galaxy approximately 200 million light years away, where hydrogen gas is being used up to form stars in large numbers. Credit: MeerKAT

Some 200 scientists, engineers and technicians working in collaboration with industry, local and foreign universities have developed the technologies, hardware and software systems for MeerKAT.

'Profoundly powerful instrument'

South African Minister of Science and Technology Naledi Pandor told AFP that "this the first time that an African group of countries will host global science infrastructure of this character."

Part of the ensemble of dishes forming South Africa's MeerKAT radio telescope is seen in Carnarvon on July 16, 2016
Part of the ensemble of dishes forming South Africa's MeerKAT radio telescope is seen in Carnarvon on July 16, 2016

"It's a first for us as Africa and also it's a first for the world because the world hasn't done this in Africa," said the Minister. "We are building a global infrastructure for the world."

"We can now expect when the 64 dishes are in place next year, it will be the best telescope, not only in the but in the world," said Pandor.

More than 20 countries are members of the SKA, including Britain which hosts the headquarters of the project.

Despite its slowing economy, South Africa, which hosts the bulk of the SKA project, has so far invested three billion rands ($205 million) into the telescope project, funded mainly from the public purse and science research partners.

When fully up and running in the 2020s, the SKA will comprise a forest of 3,000 dishes spread over an area of a square kilometre
When fully up and running in the 2020s, the SKA will comprise a forest of 3,000 dishes spread over an area of a square kilometre (0.4 square miles) across remote terrain around several countries

Already some 500 scientific groups from 45 countries have booked slots to use the MeerKAT array between next year and 2022.

"What this will do is bring to South African and world astronomers, the most astonishing and profoundly powerful instrument ever used before in radio astronomy," SKA South Africa project director Rob Adam told AFP.


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Jul 17, 2016
With this one full-up and ALMA completed, and the new giant optical telescopes finished we will be in a Golden Age of Astronomy. I can hardly wait.

Jul 17, 2016
Bravo.
What a wonderful scientific project !!

Jul 17, 2016
With this one full-up and ALMA completed, and the new giant optical telescopes finished we will be in a Golden Age of Astronomy. I can hardly wait.


Seems like people are voting you down, without having the cojones to explain why. Wonder who that may be? The con artists who have most to lose by further observation? Again, can't think who that may be.

Jul 17, 2016
Jones, it was captain stumpy and uncle IRA who down voted him. Gkam has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way fairly often so its because of that. They probably feel the post as hypocritical in relation to other stuff her said.

Jul 17, 2016
No, what "rubbed them the wrong way", was being real, and using my real name. When the topic of rocket planes came up, I mentioned ours at Edwards AFB. They all screamed "LIAR!" and "BULLSHIT!". Then, after I sent them proof, they really went nuts. Then there were the reports for NASA, then the electronic battlefield, tests for GE BWRs, and many other things. I happened to do lots of stuff in my 72 years, and they thought they had caught a phony. They invested all their credibility in those charges, and I proved them wrong.

Estevan has threatened to harass my wife, Ira put my personal information and house picture online, and otto screams continually that I am the psychotic. Stumpy invented charges against me in his head, but also hides from everybody.

They think they were the cops here, hiding and sniping from behind their fake names. None of them will reveal their true identities, and I suggest you use a pseudonym here.

Jul 17, 2016
jones, do not make the mistake I did and assume we are all friends here. Many are admittedly here for what otto calls his "games".

One tipoff is that none of the snipers will tell you who they are, with insufficient character to take responsibility for their words. I do not know about their actions.

Back to the telescope: What a marvel. And the addition of gravitational telescopes was unforeseen by me. I hope to see much of the results. Since my father is still alive, maybe I will.

Jul 17, 2016
With this one full-up and ALMA completed, and the new giant optical telescopes finished we will be in a Golden Age of Astronomy. I can hardly wait.


Seems like people are voting you down, without having the cojones to explain why. Wonder who that may be? The con artists who have most to lose by further observation? Again, can't think who that may be.


Well, I will do my best to tell you what it is. It was silly, a couple of buzzy words (that he usually gets wrong) that don't say anything about anything. What """"new giant optical telescopes finished"""""? Do you know which "giant" ones were "finished" recently? glam-Skippy doesn't. But I do. None, not in the last six or five years. And those were not "giant"s, they are in the 6 to 8 meter range. (Maybe he was thinking about the 30 meter ones that won't be be finished for another eight or ten year, eh?)

Jul 17, 2016
Ira put my personal information and house picture online
You are the GREAT BIG LIAR there Skippy. I never put the personal anything of yours on line. You put your personal information on line. That's how were all know you are REAL, real stupid I mean.

Now quit lying and I will go back to leaving you alone.

Jul 17, 2016
Ira, you even put the picture of the house of Mike Massen, so you could make fun of it. Disgusting. You send the URL, then say you did not send the "picture". Like my Airman of the Month for the Air Force Flight Test Center was just a chance to give a talk to the Rotary club. And my Master of Science was for "personal experience". Denigrate others, Ira, if it makes you feel bigger.

Sneaky lying in semantics is still lying, Ira.

Jul 17, 2016
With this one full-up and ALMA completed, and the new giant optical telescopes finished we will be in a Golden Age of Astronomy.

"What """"new giant optical telescopes finished"""""? Do you know which "giant" ones were "finished" recently?"
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Ira, . . . Is your fixation on getting even so overwhelming you did not notice the future tense in my statement?


Jul 17, 2016
you even put the picture of the house of Mike Massen
Skippy that is another GREAT BIG LIE.

You send the URL, then say you did not send the "picture".
You are remarkable stupid for an idiot. The URL means it is ALREADY ON LINE couyon. You posted the information on line so anybody could find it. Finding something, is not the same as putting some up.

Like my Airman of the Month for the Air Force Flight Test Center was just a chance to give a talk to the Rotary club.
When you post it up to prove you are an Electronics Engineer. Yeah, I mock that. It says you went to a 30 week radio repair school and dropped out of three colleges.

my Master of Science was for "personal experience".
The one you got without having a Bachelor's first? The one that don't say what field it is in?The one the school says is not for classwork but for life experience? Yeah, I mock that one too.

Sneaky lying in semantics is still lying
And you are really bad at it.

Jul 17, 2016
With this one full-up and ALMA completed, and the new giant optical telescopes finished we will be in a Golden Age of Astronomy.

"What """"new giant optical telescopes finished"""""? Do you know which "giant" ones were "finished" recently?"
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Ira, . . . Is your fixation on getting even so overwhelming you did not notice the future tense in my statement?



Finished is the past tense. Especially with the with. You should have used a when in there if you didn't want to look like the idiot.

Jul 17, 2016
No, what "rubbed them the wrong way", was being real, and using my real name


..........and if you really want to get them going hyperbolic, tell them you can do Differential Equations. Follow that up with demands that Shneibo put up those pictures of Black Holes he's claimed to have seen.

Jul 17, 2016
Back to the point: When we get this one finished, and the others in their respective parts of the spectrum of sensible signals, we will have a huge broad spectrum of new science fields. What a great age for science, if we can all stay alive to do it.

Jul 17, 2016
@ glam-Skippy. Speaking of putting peoples personal stuff on the interweb. How goofy will your neighbor think you are when he finds out you are sending peoples pictures of his roof claiming it is yours? You don't need to answer, it is the rhetoric kind of question. I am sure he already knows how goofy you are.

Jul 17, 2016
" tell them you can do Differential Equations. "
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Why? I probably can't.

What have you done with them?

Jul 18, 2016
@jsdarkdestruction
you are 100% correct

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without having the cojones to explain why
@Jonesd
i downrated him because like JSD said, he is being " hypocritical in relation to other stuff [she] said" and others are getting tired of the repeated post explaining that, so why continue to repeat what everyone already knows?

it's bad enough the idiot continues to spam/troll the site with his lies...

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@STOLEN VALOR liar-kam
Stumpy invented charges against me in his head
1- i didn't invent anything
-because-
2- you provided the evidence (you- making you the idiot, not i)

3- if you feel like you must, i suggest making good on your continued threats, both personal and public, to litigate or "teach me a lesson"

now, get back on topic and post about MeerKAT or STFU

everyone is tired of your chronic lies and braggadocio with no evidence to back up your claims

you are worse than benji!
sheesh!

Jul 18, 2016
With this one full-up and ALMA completed, and the new giant optical telescopes finished we will be in a Golden Age of Astronomy. I can hardly wait.


Seems like people are voting you down, without having the cojones to explain why. Wonder who that may be? The con artists who have most to lose by further observation? Again, can't think who that may be.
- jd
Wasn't me. I gave gk a 5 for that one.

Jul 18, 2016
@Stumpy What was the url for the location of gkam' info? If he is going to say I threatened to harass his his wife it may be time for aversion training. Thanks.

Jul 18, 2016
@Stumpy What was the url for the location of gkam' info? If he is going to say I threatened to harass his his wife it may be time for aversion training. Thanks.
@Estevan57
http://s1027.phot...p;page=1

PW= VALIDATE

if you have any problems, post here and let me know. i will check back.
(i named the folder after him)

This is the stuff STOLEN VALOR liar-kam sent to me after i told him to:
1- redact personal info
2- that i was going to put everything on-line so that no one can say that i made anything up - so yall could validate my work

he still refuses to sign the release for his 201 file from the military, but i found a way around that one since he sent me his SSN as well as threatened legal action, so i may well have that in the next 3-6 months (bureaucracy of the MIL is slow... typical gov't crap. meh)

Jul 18, 2016

i downrated him because like JSD said, he is being " hypocritical in relation to other stuff [she] said" and others are getting tired of the repeated post explaining that, so why continue to repeat what everyone already knows?

it's bad enough the idiot continues to spam/troll the site with his lies...


That is just stupid, in my opinion the comment should be rated on merit, not who made it.

Jul 18, 2016
@Stumpy What was the url for the location of gkam' info?
@Estevan
just for the record:
the pics of the Firetruck and person and the one of a Firefighter in Turnouts/Silvers are NOT liar-kam... they are me

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That is just stupid, in my opinion the comment should be rated on merit, not who made it.
@Ojorf
1- it is rated on merit - i know she is being a hypocrite

2- history of her posts is proof of intent as well as hypocrisy and chronic lies

3- I vote on merit of the comment, including uprating shooty and even idiots who typically post pseudoscience

4- i can respect opinion- just not hypocritical bull-sh*t from a chronic liar

5- this is important: gracie asked me to do it. she specifically said to downrate her posts and comments when I felt she was lying or being facetious, etc, and i am abiding by her own requests

i am only doing what she requested

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Jul 18, 2016
Hey, Rumpy, why don't you hurry that investigation. I want you to put ALL of my life online, so we can compare it to yours. The problem is, it will REALLY irritate otto and ira and estevan, and estevan is unhinged, and blabbering about "taking action".

That guy may be dangerous. I am glad we have a record of his intentions to make trouble for others.

But hurry up and get my military stuff for me. I want you to see it, so you can go completely nuts.

And then I will prove malice.

Jul 18, 2016
Sorry, but after apparently irritating some snipers here, I have to continually defend myself from them who hide behind phony names. They assume they can do what they want without ever taking responsibility for their words.

I have asked repeatedly for PO to give us the monitor they promised.

Jul 18, 2016
I came here to comment on the radio telescope article. I Found a bunch of idiots arguing. Why does Phys.org put up with these trolls who care nothing about science?


OK, then how about if you take the lead & start downvoting ANYONE who comes here with their customary foul mouthed name calling & cyberbully routines. For example, have you ever cast less than a 5 Star for Stumpy? How about Phys 1 who has stated he'd like to meet up with me in a dark alley for the express purpose of giving me a beating? Maybe you gave each one of them a 4 a couple of times?

Why is it those of you who complain the most about TROLLS are the most prolific foul mouthed bullies here? And you have the the nerve to complain about TROLLS when one such as myself points out obvious pseudo-science claims when Schneibo makes claims to having pictures of the surface of Black Holes, yeah, you 5 Starred it.

Jul 18, 2016
Well, estevan has read my stuff by now. That includes my diplomas, my thesis, and my personal military reviews. These goobers really thought I was as phony as they.

What a surprise!

See any admissions of remorse for lying about me? Nope. Nor will you ever see them. It comes down to character.

Now, let's ditch these snipers and get back to celebrating these new instruments.

Jul 18, 2016
" it may be time for aversion training"
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Thanks for advertising your intent and your character, Estevan, if anything happens you are first.

Jul 18, 2016
@STOLEN VALOR liar-kam
And then I will prove malice
it aint malice if you give permission to do it, moron

it also isn't libel if i can prove the comment with evidence, but why would you allow reality to interfere with your delusion, eh?

read the law or at least talk to a lawyer about it before commenting and looking like a dumb-*ss

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You are indicating that you only want to see comments that conform to your worldview (scientific belief)
@bschit
1- it aint "belief" if there is evidence or it's based upon evidence that can be extrapolated to prove the point (Like GR/SR)

2- science has a method: your method doesn't comply with the scientific method, therefore by definition it is pseudoscience (also known colloquially as bullsh*t, or as we say, "bschit")

3- it aint a worldview; it is a methodology that keeps pseudoscience from being promoted as factual... like your super-magnet healer anti-cancer machine


Jul 18, 2016
1- it aint "belief" if there is evidence or it's based upon evidence that can be extrapolated to prove the point (Like GR/SR)

2- science has a method: your method doesn't comply with the scientific method, therefore by definition it is pseudoscience (also known colloquially as bullsh*t, or as we say, "bschit")

3- it aint a worldview; it is a methodology that keeps pseudoscience from being promoted as factual


......you mean like claiming to have pictures of Black Holes you refuse to share with anyone else, like Schneibo has claimed? Or claims he makes that General Relativity predicts Infinite Gravity can exist on the surface of a finite stellar mass yet he won't produce the section of GR in which he claims Einstein made such predictions?

Hey, how about you give a stab at Copying & Pasting the section of GR in which Einstein predicted the existence of BHs, Schneibo has failed to produce it, maybe you're smarter than he is.

Jul 18, 2016
Back to the point: When we get this one finished, and the others in their respective parts of the spectrum of sensible signals, we will have a huge broad spectrum of new science fields. What a great age for science, if we can all stay alive to do it
Translation: "I will say something about the topic which I know nothing about, just to make it appear as if I didnt come here to talk about myself as usual. And also to pretend I am holier than thou, which I enjoy."

Psychopaths are SO transparent.
Sorry, but after apparently irritating some snipers here, I have to continually defend myself from them
-Ditto.
I Found a bunch of idiots arguing. Why does Phys.org put up with these trolls
Ill offer an analogy. In order to use a telescope one must first wipe the shit off the lens. George kamburoff insists on rendering the telescope unusable no matter how often it is cleaned.

Jul 18, 2016
I did that above...let the "ones" fly folks!
.............1x1x1x1x1x1x1x11x5=5. bshott, I could give you more ones but it wouldn't change the outcome of the accuracy of the tally or the post.


Jul 18, 2016
Ill offer an analogy. In order to use a telescope one must first wipe the shit off the lens


No, don't tell us.........I'll bet that was Schneibo's telescope through which he took pictures he claims are those of Black Holes.


Jul 18, 2016
GeorgeTheRealEngineerGuy............just wondering George.......can you solve Differential Equations? Anytime I ask the other george, he won't answer the question....... maybe he's not much of a geek.


Jul 18, 2016
"This is physics."
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Yeah, . . but Naked Physics, . . stripped of political and emotional coverings, . . the stark truth.

Jul 18, 2016
if everyone could stop arguing about pointless shit and appreciate the science, that would be great

Jul 18, 2016
if everyone could stop arguing about pointless shit and appreciate the science, that would be great


OK,then let's follow your lead.

The Author stated this RT will be used in exploring Black Holes. Only Schneibo has pictures of BHs. It would be a real boon radio telescope science if he would release those pictures for all to see, which if he did, then this RT would have more time for other things than probing around in a quagmire of Perpetual Motion Math for which Schneibo claims to have PartIal DE solutions that he found in General Relativity that no one else knows about.


Jul 18, 2016
and here I thought the comments were going to be about the telescope..

Jul 18, 2016
Me, too. I was wondering how they could be woven together to help get the best views of Sag A*, using the "Event Horizon Telescope".

Jul 18, 2016
Thanks for asking. It is Sagittarius A*, and do not forget the *.

It is the area of the black hole of our own galaxy, home to a supermassive black hole, about 3.5 to 4 million solar masses.

Gravity does it. Check it out: If you could stand on it, you would weigh more than Chris Christie.

Jul 19, 2016
and IGNORE why others say that it isn't
@bschit
1- just because you believe something is true doesn't mean it is

2- there is a reason we ignore your type of evidence: it's not reproducible
and if it aint reproducible it aint valid or factual, let alone science

did you learn nothing about the levels of evidence in science or what constitutes evidence? [rhetorical and sarcastic]
it's obvious you and I won't agree on what constitutes evidence
that is because i follow the scientific method and i prefer reliable reproducible experiments/evidence over personal opinion and pseudoscience claims that can't be validated, like your crank cancer killer

this is and will always be the reason you are considered a crank and not a "reliable" anything
it aint about a "world view", it's about what can be proven

feel free to FOAD anytime
anhero is best for you

Jul 19, 2016
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Jul 19, 2016
I was hoping it would show huge eyes looking back, . . .

- credits to Gahan Wilson

Jul 19, 2016
I was wondering how they could be woven together to help get the best views of Sgr A*, using the "Event Horizon Telescope".


It can't really, it's much too low frequency. VLBI across the world at these frequencies and higher is already pretty standard and has been for decades. You don't get the necessarily resolution at those low frequencies hence why what's being done with the EHT hasn't been done before.

Jul 19, 2016
gkam, that is an awesome idea! Just awesome man. You must really know your stuff. Am I right George? What is a Sag A?
Thanks for asking. It is Sagittarius A*, and do not forget the *.

It is the area of the black hole of our own galaxy, home to a supermassive black hole, about 3.5 to 4 million solar masses
Translation: "I will google something about the topic which I know nothing about, just to make it appear as if I didnt come here to talk about myself as usual. And also to pretend I am holier than thou, which I enjoy."

-Whats really awesome is that george kamburoff the very excellent polymath doesnt know when hes being made fun of by an engr whos only pretending to be phony.

Jul 19, 2016
"If the theory is correct, how are atoms or molecules that are being accelerated by gravity losing energy, and how are the SA particles emitting photons?"
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Synchrotron radiation.

Jul 19, 2016
"Again, this suggests a genetic restriction to what we have called the Juvenile Dictionary. Not only are they using extremely restricted definitions, they cannot, by virtue of the way their brains work, do otherwise. Virtually all of the research on psychopaths reveals an inner world that is banal, sophomoric, and devoid of the color and detail that generally exists in the inner world of normal people."

Translation: psychopaths is always lots dumber than they lets on.

Lots lots dumber.

"At the same time, psychopaths are good imposters. They have absolutely no hesitation about forging and brazenly using impressive credentials to adopt professional roles that bring prestige and power. They pick professions in which the requisite skills are easy to fake, the jargon is easy to learn, and the credentials are unlikely to be thoroughly checked. Psychopaths find it extremely easy to pose as financial consultants, ministers, psychological counselors and psychologists."

Jul 19, 2016
"psychopaths is always lots dumber than they lets on"
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They "is"?

Jul 19, 2016
"If the theory is correct, how are atoms or molecules that are being accelerated by gravity losing energy, and how are the SA particles emitting photons?"
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Synchrotron radiation.


I suppose that is a good theory Cher. Except for one thing, eh? The Sag A* does not have the polar jets needed to produce that kind of photons. Virgo A is the closest galaxy they find so far that does.

Funny the sort things a goober on a mud boat knows, eh?

Jul 19, 2016
This is the crux of the issue, if all of the light we see comes from particle/Magnetic field interaction, how can this be construed as evidence of a massive gravitational force when the matter said force would act upon can only impart energy on it, not cause it to lose energy?


It emits the photons due to the change in velocity. The magnetic field causes the electrons to move in a spiral, which is a change in velocity, it's the same with any form of acceleration. Super acceleration in gravity too.

Jul 19, 2016
Click my link Ira, Jupiter produces Synchrotron radiation.
Don't need to click the link, I already know that. But not because of strong gravity, because of strong magnetic fields. That is where they first find the synchrotron radiation, in magnetic fields.

Jul 19, 2016
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Jul 19, 2016
" The Sag A* does not have the polar jets needed to produce that kind of photons"
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Synchrotron radiation does not come from jets, but from the acceleration needed to keep particles in orbit. Synchrotrons are circular devices and as the particles go around, they can emit it radially. It is used to produce the hard rays required for atomic study.

Jul 19, 2016
Synchrotron radiation does not come from jets, but from the acceleration needed to keep particles in orbit.
If it comes from gravity instead of a magnetic field, yeah Cher it does comes from the polar jets at super massive black holes. It's the only place they can get the angular acceleration due to gravity to produce it.

Synchrotrons are circular devices and as the particles go around, they can emit it radially. It is used to produce the hard rays required for atomic study.
But we are not talking about magnetic accelerators are we? I thought we was talking about gravitationally accelerated particles emitting photons. Try to keep up Cher,,,, it will hurt your "REAL" reputation if you keep letting a mud boat goober set you straight, eh?

Jul 19, 2016
This field looks very reminiscent of scanning-tunneling ionoscopic photomicrograph stuff that they are doing on the opposite end of the scale with engineering on the atomic scale. Physics iterations from the underside and from above, with dynamics being able to make comparisons on a wide variety of parameters, is what I think we are seeing, photons being released after fusion, that or just the highly active metallic atoms with dynamic electron orbits made of galaxies and globular clusters being charge/energy carriers, and moving at glacial speed compared to it's counterparts under the microscope.

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Jul 20, 2016
Hey, Bong. I did not need DEs. Did you? Those doing them are hired when needed.

If you are not in design (or school), you do not need that stuff. What have you done with them?

I taught engineers how to think, not to memorize formulae.

Jul 20, 2016
.......could be why you haven't gone anywhere in physics


.........curious isn't it, why he uses "Phys 1" ? A nagging admission of the furthest he went in college physics & dropped out knowing Physics 2 would be even more arduous due to the content of nuclear physics, electricity, & magnetism in the 2nd semester.

He probably struggled to get a D equivalent grade in the 1st semester, so it's no wonder he's unable to come here & have intelligible discussions with those of us who have finished the 2nd semester & moved beyond it. Years later with his broken self esteem, he is still trying to fantasize his way into something he was never able to attain in real life.


Jul 20, 2016
Perhaps we should get back to telescopes.

Jul 20, 2016
STOLEN VALOR liar-kam
Hey, Bong. I did not need DEs. Did you? Those doing them are hired when needed
so, they hired real engineers to do the DE's then
if you would please note that, per your arguments, you claim to be not only an engineer, but one versed in nukes and environmental science, both of which are riddled with DE's and PDE's
(See argument re: EPA 319 - http://phys.org/n...des.html )
so, by definition, you could not have been an engineer
read about DE's before you comment further
differential equations play a prominent role in many disciplines including engineering, physics, economics, and biology
Https://en.wikipe...equation

get back to
can you differentiate between an optical & a radio telescope?

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The scientific method has nothing to do with
@bschit
1- you don't know what it is
2- you can't differentiate between evidence
so how is your opinion relevant?

Jul 20, 2016
This thread is about telescopes, not your fixation on getting even with the guy who bested you. You are just another loner hiding in the woods, a former hose-boy.

How is your opinion relevant?

Jul 20, 2016
STOLEN VALOR liar-kam
This thread is about
then why are you off topic?
I simply pointed out your lie
getting even with the guy who bested you
in what?
LOL

in court? you still haven't sent me my summons

in life? you're a pathetic chronic liar & you admit to not being an engineer
*plus* you need to lie about awards (STOLEN VALOR)
a former hose-boy
sorry, i don't swing that way
- you will need to find your gratification elsewhere, ya perv
How is your opinion relevant?
1- because it answers a question posted (and quoted)

2- it is validated with links/references that reinforce my point

3- it is factual, not opinion

4- it refutes your false claims

thinking you hurt my feeling with "hiding in the woods" or your other crap when you are the one who can't validate a claim and are too terrified to visit me is kinda f*cking stupid (it's infantile)
LMFAO

you got my name/addy

so c'mon, mr STOLEN VALOR
come teach me a lesson like you threatened

Jul 20, 2016
Just tell us who you are.

Don't hide from us, we will not hurt you.

Come out, come out, wherever you are, . . .

I am George Kamburoff, and am not afraid of real life. Why are you?

Jul 20, 2016
@STOLEN VALOR liar-kam
Just tell us who you are.

Don't hide from us, we will not hurt you.

Come out, come out, wherever you are, . . .

I am George Kamburoff, and am not afraid of real life. Why are you?
1- no need to cross post your stupid

2- answered here: http://phys.org/n...des.html

3- not going to keep repeating myself
if you can't read, please open up this link
http://www.readingbear.org/

learn something before you look stupider to the world

PS- still waiting for that suit you promised to file against me
where is my summons?
i gave you my contact info so you could take me to court like you threatened

so?
be responsible - keep your word and take me to court so i can get rich off your stupidity!
momma wants to travel europe and asia

Jul 20, 2016
Just outgrow your petty resentment over someone you thought was as phony as you. But I am a real person, and you are still hiding, no matter what you insist in public.

Who are you? Why are you SCARED of me?

And let's stop this petty public nonsense. Outgrow it.

Jul 20, 2016
...........just love the entertainment value of the content in the Comments section so far. First we get a guy who claims to have been solving Partial DEs in Junior HS in defiance of the nuns, then we get banter from a couple more who wouldn't recognize a DE, PDE, LDE if plunked down in front of their faces, they couldn't tell you what it was they're looking at.

Keep the entertainment coming guys, and hey, the guy doing PDEs in junior HS, tell us what the name of that school is so I can run a crosscheck on their math curriculum to verify your claim about the nuns.


Jul 20, 2016
benni, . . nobody cares about those things.

Really.

Jul 20, 2016
@Benni
.... PDEs ...
Puke.
You are going on about PDEs for years now.
All the time you don't know what a PDE is.
So you flunked in physics and got confused by math.
Let it go. It may reduce your psychosis if you do.


..........Oh, so you actually "flunked" 1st semester physics because you were "confused" by the "math" (calculus)?

Please, keep up the demeanor of transferring your failed realities onto someone else, we get to learn so much more about you that way. You point one finger at me, and three remaining pointing right back at yourself.

Are you aware that when you cast invectives like these onto someone else, that you are subconsciously revealing those things as truths about yourself? You didn't even get to Psychology in college or you would know better.

Ohhhhh, how much fun summer has become.......a month long vacation with great entertainment.


Jul 20, 2016
You take my words and use them as your own


.........no, I didn't, I took your words & used them as yours, look at the quotes for which I gave you 100% credit. Not only is science & psychology a huge challenge for you, the simple act of accurately reading simple english language script is also a problem.

Now something I'm curious about, after you took 1st semester physics & didn't do so well in that glorified kinematics course, did you at least try the 2nd semester course? And it was just so incomprehensible that you were forced to drop it in fear of further sinking your GPA after just barely making it through the 1st semester course? Or were you just simply advised to major in another curriculum based on your miserable 1st semester physics performance? You probably became something like a history major right?

Jul 20, 2016
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Jul 21, 2016
LBL if you hate populations, you hate yourself.

Jul 21, 2016
@Stump

Hey, the pronoun game with gkam is throwing me off. Is there something I don't know that makes George = Gracie?

Jul 21, 2016
Emotion and the need to hate.

Jul 21, 2016
"...1,300 galaxies in a tiny corner of the universe where only 70 were known before," sounds like a lot of missing mass was found.

Now before going off on me, I know there's a lot more out there we don't know about. It just spikes my curiosity about things in theories being tested.

Jul 22, 2016
@Stump

Hey, the pronoun game with gkam is throwing me off. Is there something I don't know that makes George = Gracie?
@Enthusiastic Fool
it's just what DaSchneib started calling it after catching it at some major lies regarding power, engineering and talking shop

it couldn't actually talk "engineering" or facts with Schneib- like here: http://phys.org/n...age.html

you can ask DaSchneib about the origin or reasoning, i just thought it was appropriate considering the situation (and comical)


Jul 22, 2016
Hey, the pronoun game with gkam is throwing me off. Is there something I don't know that makes George = Gracie?

I have an idea about this: Maybe it's from William Gibson's book "Zero History"* in which the antagonist is a character named 'Gracie ' who is ex-military. After his military service this guy goes around pretending to be competent at stuff that he's not ('teaching' interrogation techniques, being a 'security consultant', and whatnot) . Gibson comments that this guy was so much indoctrinated by the military into thinking he's competent that he himself doesn't even realize how incompetent he is. But he gets by by at these jobs (for short periods) by being able to sell himself well.

Would fit the profile of gkam.

*Excellent book, BTW. Along with the other two in the trilogy ( 'Pattern Recognition' and 'Spook Country') it marks Gibson's best work, IMO, since the Neuromancer/Cyberpunk novels (even though the first one copies story elements from 'Count Zero')

Jul 22, 2016
@AA

Even if that's not the reason I find it fitting.

Jul 22, 2016
Oh, my, what a happy game we have here. A band of anonymous snipers against the only guy with guts to use his real name.

I am not surprised: Anonymity brings out real character.

Jul 22, 2016
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Jul 22, 2016
Oh, my, what a happy game we have here. A band of anonymous snipers against the only guy with guts to use his real name
And that includes most everyone here. And according to george kamburoff, using your real name enables you to lie and make up most any bullshit you want. Which few posters do but him.
I am not surprised: Anonymity brings out real character
Again, people would be calling you a liar and a cheat whether they posted under their real names or not. Because the people here respect evidence, and the evidence youve presented tells us that you are a liar and a cheat.

Gutless george, unwilling to post on sites that will ban him for lying and bullshitting. Or maybe he has which is why hes here.

Jul 22, 2016
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Jul 22, 2016
Do you have Absolute Truth?

Tell us what it is.

Jul 22, 2016
William Gibson's book "Zero History"*
@AA_P
interesting: never heard of the book (but i also am not a large fan of fiction either... )

but like EF says- it's fitting! LOL

Thanks for the heads up on that one (the trilogy, actually), i will be looking for it next time i peruse my bookstore!

Always willing to give a book a good once over if it has a good review from someone who can be trusted!

.

.

Even if that's not the reason I find it fitting
@Enthusiastic Fool
to coin a phrase from the late Steve Irwin : "TOO RIGHT"

Jul 22, 2016
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Jul 22, 2016
Okay, . . we but already know that.

If your point is that we have no respect, no reverence for life, then I concur, as it is a source of my sadness as well.

Jul 23, 2016
Okay, . . we but already know that.

If your point is that we have no respect, no reverence for life, then I concur, as it is a source of my sadness as well.
Thats rich.

"Oh, indeed, [psychopaths] can imitate feelings, but the only real feelings they seem to have - the thing that drives them and causes them to act out different dramas for effect - is a sort of "predatorial hunger" for what they want..."

Jul 23, 2016
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Jul 23, 2016
Hey, the pronoun game with gkam is throwing me off. Is there something I don't know that makes George = Gracie?
@Enthusiastic Fool
it's just what DaSchneib started calling it after catching it at some major lies regarding power, engineering and talking shop

it couldn't actually talk "engineering" or facts with Schneib- like here: http://phys.org/n...age.html

you can ask DaSchneib about the origin or reasoning, i just thought it was appropriate considering the situation (and comical)
:D

https://en.wikipe...len_Show

Jul 23, 2016
Why don't you folk grow up?

Jul 23, 2016
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Jul 24, 2016
Report all you want. It is me that has invited Lionel Rabb to the conversation. That's the person who is about to loose his life's work for not stopping you and your band of people who have lost their minds
Im trying to remember your nick before you got banned last time. What was it? Ah - DavidW.

Your spiel has taken on a decidedly dark tone. How long before you get banned again i wonder?

Hey I got you a gift card
http://arbys.com

-And if you ever decide to get serious
https://en.wikipe.../Jainism

Jul 24, 2016
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Jul 24, 2016
The word is "babble" and it is all you do.

Isn't "life" the secret?

Are you going to mourn the kids killed in the Bush Wars?

Jul 24, 2016
You seem to have some serious confusion in your mind
No one seems more confused than you who are posting dribble on a science site.

I mean, it certainly isn't every day they discover 1230 new galaxies in one tiny patch of sky (< 0.01% of the celestial sphere). It didn't used to be every day, that is. And that's with only a quarter of the dishes. "Wow!" doesn't quite cover it...

And yet you have the nerve to lecture about things like respect and love and common goals when you can't even abide by the simple terms of service. Where is your love and respect for those of us whose common goal it is to discuss the science?

Jul 25, 2016
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Jul 25, 2016
LBL, you are blabbering jibberish.

"pure evil"??? Are you working up to an auto da fe?

Jul 25, 2016
If you had any ethics at all you would take a time out and address the validity of the point of the most important truth in life that was made here again and again and ask yourself is the comment I am about to make ignoring this most important fact?
Hey Dave did you know that the Jains sanctify life so much that they will wear a mask just so they won't inadvertently inhale bugs.

It works even better if you stuff it down your throat.

Jul 25, 2016
The only way to ensure that you don't kill anything is to kill yourself.

Have you arrived at this unavoidable conclusion yet?

Jul 25, 2016
You just publicly chose the side of pure evil... They, and you, are attempting to use science talk to hide your choices to serve pure evil.
How is that? Whoever is not for you is against you? Who do you look up to in life, LBL? Who do you admire? Have you ever been pushed to the edge, LBL? Have you ever been pushed over the edge? Do you ever wish sometimes that you could just rid the world of all the pure evil people and the people who choose pure evil? Do you ever think about walking into a bar or theater or restaurant and just unloading on all the evil people?

Jul 25, 2016
"The only way to ensure that you don't kill anything is to kill yourself. Have you arrived at this unavoidable conclusion yet?"
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Why can't we rid ourselves of these adolescents who think abuse is "funny"?

otto has already admitted he is here to play what he calls his "games", but this is a science site, not one for silly or abusive personal comments.

He keeps screaming about psychopathy, and I think he is crying for help.

Jul 26, 2016
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Jul 26, 2016
Hey Dave, if you kill yourself not only will you be ensuring that you will not kill anything else but you will be providing valuable sustenance for things which might want to eat you.

And they won't have to kill you to do it as they normally might need to do.

Win-win-win.

I suggest in the woods or jumping off a cruise ship.

Jul 26, 2016
I wonder if LBL "supported" the Bush Wars after the screams of "WMD!".

How important was life then?

Jul 26, 2016
And the Jains would respect you.

"Sallekhanā (also Santhara, Samadhi-marana, Sanyasana-marana) is the last vow prescribed by the Jain ethical code of conduct.[note 1] The vow of sallekhanā is observed by the Jain ascetics and lay votaries at the end of their life by gradually reducing the intake of food and liquids.[1][2][3] Sallekhanā is allowed when normal life according to religion is not possible due to old age, incurable disease or when a person is nearing his end.[3][4] It is a highly respected practice among the members of the Jain community."

-Funny that killing anything else but themselves is a grievous sin.

Aug 08, 2016
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Aug 08, 2016
Not a good defense, LBL.

Another Semantic Salad.

Aug 08, 2016
LBL if you hate populations, you hate yourself
Ahaahaaa george kamburoff, consummate misanthrope.

Actually you dont hate people do you? Psychopaths need victims. Whats it like to crave the thing you despise?

Aug 08, 2016
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Aug 08, 2016
"You must have a personal agenda to kill needlessly."
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STOP IT!

Aug 09, 2016
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Aug 09, 2016
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Aug 09, 2016
You are on Ignore.

Folk who are doing silly stuff for their Social Studies class do not belong here.

Aug 09, 2016
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Aug 09, 2016
@DavidW

See,
Your opinion means nothing against the truth.

You stated a question implying there is a time when Science is not most important to Science.

Your agenda is exactly what I said: "You must have a personal agenda to kill truth needlessly."

Unless you defend the truth publicly, and concede a truthful point when it is made to protect Science, the only truthful possibility is that you want lies, evil, which always results in needless killing. That is your current agenda.

Your real name is on that for all you know to see.

If I have it wrong, prove otherwise.
In order to do that you must first admit that you are truthfully ignorant of Science, and as such Science is truth.

Which means, you can only agree with the truth stated, accepting it as fact that I did provide the evidence and it was what I said all along. You can only reaffirm that I said it correct.

Your position stinks of fear, bullying, fanaticism, and terroristic fundamentalism

Aug 09, 2016
You have babbled a lot, but have yet to prove you actually served in the military, Rumpy.

Prove it, or stop trying to pretend you are an expert.

Aug 09, 2016
You have babbled a lot, but have yet to prove you actually served in the military, Rumpy.

Prove it, or stop trying to pretend you are an expert.


I think you got lost on the way Cher. This is not the Trump-Skippy Opinion article.

Aug 09, 2016
"You must have a personal agenda to kill needlessly."
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STOP IT!
You and the (other) loon have a lot in common. You got sick of killing while putting around the thai countryside on your moped didnt you?

I assume you couldnt avoid running over the indigenes?

Aug 09, 2016
Otto, others say you are a fat shut-in, . . I do not know. But hiding behind a pseudonym and attacking others is the lowest form of artificial life. Yeah, it's safe there, hiding, cowering from the real world, but it will end some day when your mommy finds out.

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