Hubble finds universe may be expanding faster than expected

June 2, 2016, ESA/Hubble Information Centre
This illustration shows the three steps astronomers used to measure the universe's expansion rate to an unprecedented accuracy, reducing the total uncertainty to 2.4 percent. Astronomers made the measurements by streamlining and strengthening the construction of the cosmic distance ladder, which is used to measure accurate distances to galaxies near and far from Earth. Beginning at left, astronomers use Hubble to measure the distances to a class of pulsating stars called Cepheid variables, employing a basic tool of geometry called parallax. This is the same technique that surveyors use to measure distances on Earth. Once astronomers calibrate the Cepheids' true brightness, they can use them as cosmic yardsticks to measure distances to galaxies much farther away than they can with the parallax technique. The rate at which Cepheids pulsate provides an additional fine-tuning to the true brightness, with slower pulses for brighter Cepheids. The astronomers compare the calibrated true brightness values with the stars' apparent brightness, as seen from Earth, to determine accurate distances. Once the Cepheids are calibrated, astronomers move beyond our Milky Way to nearby galaxies (shown at center). They look for galaxies that contain Cepheid stars and another reliable yardstick, Type Ia supernovae, exploding stars that flare with the same amount of brightness. The astronomers use the Cepheids to measure the true brightness of the supernovae in each host galaxy. From these measurements, the astronomers determine the galaxies' distances. They then look for supernovae in galaxies located even farther away from Earth. Unlike Cepheids, Type Ia supernovae are brilliant enough to be seen from relatively longer distances. The astronomers compare the true and apparent brightness of distant supernovae to measure out to the distance where the expansion of the universe can be seen (shown at right). They compare those distance measurements with how the light from the supernovae is stretched to longer wavelengths by the expansion of space. They use these two values to calculate how fast the universe expands with time, called the Hubble constant. Credit: NASA, ESA, A. Feild (STScI), and A. Riess (STScI/JHU)

Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope have discovered that the universe is expanding 5 percent to 9 percent faster than expected.

"This surprising finding may be an important clue to understanding those mysterious parts of the universe that make up 95 percent of everything and don't emit light, such as dark energy, dark matter, and dark radiation," said study leader and Nobel Laureate Adam Riess of the Space Telescope Science Institute and The Johns Hopkins University, both in Baltimore, Maryland.

The results will appear in an upcoming issue of The Astrophysical Journal.

Riess' team made the discovery by refining the universe's current to unprecedented accuracy, reducing the uncertainty to only 2.4 percent. The team made the refinements by developing innovative techniques that improved the precision of distance measurements to faraway galaxies.

The team looked for galaxies containing both Cepheid stars and Type Ia supernovae. Cepheid stars pulsate at rates that correspond to their true brightness, which can be compared with their apparent brightness as seen from Earth to accurately determine their distance. Type Ia supernovae, another commonly used cosmic yardstick, are exploding stars that flare with the same brightness and are brilliant enough to be seen from relatively longer distances.

By measuring about 2,400 Cepheid stars in 19 galaxies and comparing the observed brightness of both types of stars, they accurately measured their true brightness and calculated distances to roughly 300 Type Ia supernovae in far-flung galaxies.

The team compared those distances with the expansion of space as measured by the stretching of light from receding galaxies. The team used these two values to calculate how fast the universe expands with time, or the Hubble constant.

The improved Hubble constant value is 73.2 kilometers per second per megaparsec. (A megaparsec equals 3.26 million light-years.) The new value means the distance between cosmic objects will double in another 9.8 billion years.

This refined calibration presents a puzzle, however, because it does not quite match the expansion rate predicted for the universe from its trajectory seen shortly after the . Measurements of the afterglow from the big bang by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) and the European Space Agency's Planck satellite mission yield predictions for the Hubble constant that are 5 percent and 9 percent smaller, respectively.

"If we know the initial amounts of stuff in the universe, such as dark energy and dark matter, and we have the physics correct, then you can go from a measurement at the time shortly after the big bang and use that understanding to predict how fast the universe should be expanding today," said Riess. "However, if this discrepancy holds up, it appears we may not have the right understanding, and it changes how big the Hubble constant should be today."

This animation shows the principle of the cosmic distance ladder used by Adam Riess and his team to reduce the uncertainty of the Hubble constant. Credit: NASA, ESA, A. Feild (STScI), and A. Riess (STScI/JHU)

Comparing the universe's expansion rate with WMAP, Planck, and Hubble is like building a bridge, Riess explained. On the distant shore are the cosmic microwave background observations of the early universe. On the nearby shore are the measurements made by Riess' team using Hubble.

"You start at two ends, and you expect to meet in the middle if all of your drawings are right and your measurements are right," Riess said. "But now the ends are not quite meeting in the middle and we want to know why."

There are a few possible explanations for the universe's excessive speed. One possibility is that , already known to be accelerating the universe, may be shoving galaxies away from each other with even greater—or growing—strength.

Another idea is that the cosmos contained a new subatomic particle in its early history that traveled close to the speed of light. Such speedy particles are collectively referred to as "dark radiation" and include previously known particles like neutrinos. More energy from additional dark radiation could be throwing off the best efforts to predict today's expansion rate from its post-big bang trajectory.

The boost in acceleration could also mean that possesses some weird, unexpected characteristics. Dark matter is the backbone of the universe upon which galaxies built themselves up into the large-scale structures seen today.

And finally, the speedier universe may be telling astronomers that Einstein's theory of gravity is incomplete.

"We know so little about the dark parts of the universe, it's important to measure how they push and pull on space over cosmic history," said Lucas Macri of Texas A&M University in College Station, a key collaborator on the study.

The Hubble observations were made with Hubble's sharp-eyed Wide Field Camera 3 (WFC3), and were conducted by the Supernova H0 for the Equation of State (SH0ES) team, which works to refine the accuracy of the Hubble constant to a precision that allows for a better understanding of the 's behavior.

The SH0ES Team is still using Hubble to reduce the uncertainty in the Hubble constant even more, with a goal to reach an accuracy of 1 percent. Current telescopes such as the European Space Agency's Gaia satellite, and future telescopes such as the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST), an infrared observatory, and the Wide Field Infrared Space Telescope (WFIRST), also could help astronomers make better measurements of the expansion rate.

Before Hubble was launched in 1990, the estimates of the Hubble constant varied by a factor of two. In the late 1990s the Hubble Space Telescope Key Project on the Extragalactic Distance Scale refined the value of the Hubble constant to within an error of only 10 percent, accomplishing one of the telescope's key goals. The SH0ES team has reduced the uncertainty in the Hubble constant value by 76 percent since beginning its quest in 2005.

Explore further: Researchers question measurement of the Hubble constant by Nobel laureate Riess' team

More information: "A 2.4% Determination of the Local Value of the Hubble Constant," Adam G. Riess et al., 2016, to appear in the Astrophysical Journal, arxiv.org/abs/1604.01424

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Drumbum
1.9 / 5 (31) Jun 02, 2016
Dark matter is the ether of modern science. The rate will never be accurate until they realize that how they are figuring it is fundamentally flawed.
NoStrings
1.7 / 5 (27) Jun 02, 2016
Exactly right, Drumbum. But no worries, a few constants will be adjusted, and they will say they were right all along - a month later no one will remember that the constants were adjusted. Ether all right. There may be some new kind of dark matter, in addition, to all other kinds that we don't know - are they serious?
liquidspacetime
1 / 5 (16) Jun 02, 2016
The Universal black hole powering our visible Universe is dark energy.

'Black holes banish matter into cosmic voids'
http://www.spaced...999.html

"Some of the matter falling towards the [supermassive black] holes is converted into energy. This energy is delivered to the surrounding gas, and leads to large outflows of matter, which stretch for hundreds of thousands of light years from the black holes, reaching far beyond the extent of their host galaxies."

At the scale of our Universe the energy described above is dark energy. A Universal black hole is powering our visible Universe causing the galaxy clusters to accelerate away from us.
gkam
1.2 / 5 (24) Jun 02, 2016
ATTENTION!

Somebody has just found the alleged Center of the Universe.

It is supposed to not have one, according to present theories, but a Mister Trump of New York says he has it/is it.
Da Schneib
4.8 / 5 (21) Jun 02, 2016
The HST keeps giving more and more information; we're now an order of magnitude better than we ever expected to get in determining not only the Hubble constant, but how it has varied over time.

@richard, the rate of expansion depends very sensitively upon the total mass vs. the total dark energy; as a result of the decreasing mass density and the increasing dark energy, the equations you refer to have such large uncertainties that higher order derivatives can't be well quantified until we've got one or two more orders of magnitude of certainty. We've gotten more from the HST than we ever expected; we have good reason to expect that we will get the additional data from the JWST and other sources before long. Patience, my friend.
antialias_physorg
4.7 / 5 (22) Jun 02, 2016
Dark matter is the ether of modern science. The rate will never be accurate until they realize that how they are figuring it is fundamentally flawed.

Neither dark matter nor dark energy can be 'flawed' since they aren't specific theories but placeholders/labels for the observed effects.
IMP-9
4.6 / 5 (15) Jun 02, 2016
in determining not only the Hubble constant, but how it has varied over time.


Actually the HST data only constrains H0, the local value. They're using Planck CMB data for "variation", but WMAP+high l+BAO are also studied to show it isn't Planck. Hubble isn't powerful enough to detect Cepheids beyond a few tens of megaparsecs. So it's still measuring the very local value, it will still be biased by local effects like voids but the paper tries to argue that the amplitude of the disagreement is more significant than that.
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (14) Jun 02, 2016
@IMP, it's not just Cepheid values; it's the link between those and SN1a values that has been improved, increasing the accuracy over much larger scales. It's not until those better values are compared with these other scales that this disagreement appears.
physman
3.7 / 5 (18) Jun 02, 2016
@antialias_physorg precisely, they even cover some of the possibilities in the article (which I'm certain many here didn't actually read):

One possibility is that dark energy, already known to be accelerating the universe, may be shoving galaxies away from each other with even greater—or growing—strength.

Another idea is that the cosmos contained a new subatomic particle in its early history that traveled close to the speed of light.

The boost in acceleration could also mean that dark matter possesses some weird, unexpected characteristics.

And finally, the speedier universe may be telling astronomers that Einstein's theory of gravity is incomplete.
carbon_unit
3 / 5 (24) Jun 02, 2016
The HST keeps giving more and more information; we're now an order of magnitude better than we ever expected to get in determining not only the Hubble constant, but how it has varied over time.

One of the most amazing scientific discoveries of all time was the discovery of the accelerating expansion rate of the universe. Up until then, science was concerned about the deceleration rate. A clear demonstration of science going with the evidence, not the priests of science locked into a belief. I look forward to unraveling what these 'dark' (=unknown) forces and particles are.

Somebody has just found the alleged Center of the Universe. It is supposed to not have one, according to present theories, but a Mister Trump of New York says he has it/is it.

He's so self-centered I'm surprised he doesn't have an event horizon.
luxorion
1.7 / 5 (6) Jun 02, 2016
Interesting. But a too high value for the Hubble parameter doesn't it means that the univers is also younger.... and in contradiction with observations ? Or in this case we need to confirm that the baryon density of the universe is much lower too... A discovery rises new problems...
IMP-9
4.7 / 5 (13) Jun 02, 2016
Interesting. But a too high value for the Hubble parameter doesn't it means that the univers is also younger.... and in contradiction with observations ?


Not really. From the CMB the constraint on the matter density (and baryon density) depend on the Hubble constant squared. In the absence of Lambda this would cancel out any change in the Hubble constant when calculating the age of the universe. However we do have cosmological constant but that is also degenerate with the matter density, so if you increase H0 you decrease the matter density and you increase the cosmological constant. A back of the envelope calculation shows it's on the order of a 2% change in the age. Not enough to cause issues.

The baryon density would only change slightly.
richk
3 / 5 (2) Jun 02, 2016
I/do/not/understand/how/a/statement/like/this/can/be/made/when/we/do/not/even'know/what/
dark/energy/is:

"If we know the initial amounts of stuff in the universe, such as dark energy and dark matter, and we have the physics correct, then you can go from a measurement at the time shortly after the big bang and use that understanding to predict how fast the universe should be expanding today."

Help/anyone?
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (19) Jun 02, 2016
I/do/not/understand/how/a/statement/like/this/can/be/made/when/we/do/not/even'know/what/
dark/energy/is:

"If we know the initial amounts of stuff in the universe, such as dark energy and dark matter, and we have the physics correct, then you can go from a measurement at the time shortly after the big bang and use that understanding to predict how fast the universe should be expanding today."

Help/anyone?

In reality it is nothing more than a fanciful guess.
ursiny33
1 / 5 (10) Jun 02, 2016
Space is expanding in the single point model theory,if that's not the true model and its multiple point model that means space is not expanding only matter is expanding in space
GatorALLin
1.3 / 5 (13) Jun 02, 2016
if the speed of light is not quite the constant that we thought it was... how will this change all of our related calculations?
shavera
4.8 / 5 (19) Jun 02, 2016
richk:

General Relativity is, ultimately, an equation. "Stuff," matter and energy, equals "curvature," how rulers and clocks vary from position to position and moment to moment in space-time. General Relativity doesn't really give a darn what that stuff *is* or *made of,* it only sees 'mass' and 'motion' (more or less).

So if we know the mass of stuff we can see + mass of stuff we can't see, then we know all the mass of the universe. Even if we don't know what the stuff we can't see is, we can see the effects of its mass, so we know it's there. (kind of like feeling the wind but not knowing it's made of nitrogen and oxygen atoms).

So knowing mass and knowing how fast the universe is expanding, and the rate at which the expansion rate changes over time, we can solve for how much 'motion' energy is in the universe (energy of stuff like light which has no mass, only motion).
shavera
4.8 / 5 (19) Jun 02, 2016
(cont.)

Then, when you have all these parameters, you can predict how the early universe would have evolved, how sound waves would have travelled in the early hot-dense medium of the universe, and a lot of other experimental predictions that have confirmed the results of hypotheses generated from separate observations.

But I repeat, because it's so very very important. Just because we don't know what something's made of doesn't mean it's not there. We can see it, indirectly. We see how its mass affects the spins of galaxies and how it bends light around galaxies. Most astoundingly, when galaxies collide, we see this 'invisible mass' continue on through the collision since it's less affected by it. (see the bullet cluster)
someone11235813
3 / 5 (2) Jun 03, 2016
...such as dark energy, dark matter, and dark radiation,


What is 'dark radiation' if not either matter or energy?
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (18) Jun 03, 2016
richk:

General Relativity is, ultimately, an equation. "Stuff," matter and energy, equals "curvature," how rulers and clocks vary from position to position and moment to moment in space-time. General Relativity doesn't really give a darn what that stuff *is* or *made of,* it only sees 'mass' and 'motion' (more or less).
- shavera

No such thing as "spacetime". There is only Space, the Time portion of the equation having no means of actual verification as to any properties that are attributable to Time as having mass/energy. I have said many times before that Time only exists as a flow of events that may only be quantified by clocks, timepieces to measure duration of events, motion and momentum. Slide rules, tape measures, etc. are for measuring distance. But none of these instruments are able to stop Time itself from advancing into the future and it also cannot be reversed. Thus, the Time portion in math equations are useless and is illogical. Time isn't a dimension.

Otto_Szucks
1.4 / 5 (18) Jun 03, 2016
So if we know the mass of stuff we can see + mass of stuff we can't see, then we know all the mass of the universe. Even if we don't know what the stuff we can't see is, we can see the effects of its mass, so we know it's there. (kind of like feeling the wind but not knowing it's made of nitrogen and oxygen atoms).
- shavera

Mass itself is measurable. But Mass that cannot be seen, except for alleged effects that invisible mass has on other mass is in the realm of fairy dust and unicorns. You DON"T REALLY know that it's there b/c your senses haven't the ability to detect it. To continue to insist that it's there even though unseeable is to have created a new religion; a belief in its existence and faith in its presence, all because someone claims that it has gravity. Which only amounts to smoke and mirrors as the answer. If this DM is real, then why can't it be seen? Perhaps it doesn't want to be seen? If it moves at all, what would be the force that moves it?

epoxy
Jun 03, 2016
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Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (17) Jun 03, 2016
So knowing mass and knowing how fast the universe is expanding, and the rate at which the expansion rate changes over time, we can solve for how much 'motion' energy is in the universe (energy of stuff like light which has no mass, only motion).
- shavera

Light/Photons is pure Energy. Photons existed in the Universe long before the alleged BB happened in this quadrant of the "known" Universe. Matter/energy is a byproduct of Photons in collision = energy into matter. There are a few scientists who are trying to replicate this process, but so far haven't been successful. We all know that Matter into Energy is possible and has been accomplished in several ways...such as nuclear weapons.
epoxy
Jun 03, 2016
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antialias_physorg
4.5 / 5 (13) Jun 03, 2016
He's so self-centered I'm surprised he doesn't have an event horizon.

"Sometimes it happens that a man's circle of horizon becomes smaller and smaller, and as the radius approaches zero it concentrates on one point. And then that becomes his point of view.
-- David_Hilbert"

What is 'dark radiation' if not either matter or energy?

It's a placeholder term for the force carrier that exchanges forces between dark matter (i.e. 'dark photons', if you will).

epoxy...

Oh look: Zeph is back. Trying to rack up the 'banned' counter, are you?

ericpelser
1.6 / 5 (7) Jun 03, 2016
Hey do we know everything ?
tblakely1357
1.5 / 5 (8) Jun 03, 2016
Weren't they planning on decommissioning the Hubble a few years ago?
Inquisitor720
2.2 / 5 (11) Jun 03, 2016
Could it not be as simple as some of the light is blocked? Space is not empty. Even one molecule per cubic kilometer blocking light over millions or billions of light years will certainly attenuate the light... thus make a Type Ia supernovae seem further away than it really is. There is no indication in this abbreviated article that the original work accounts for this.
shavera
4.8 / 5 (16) Jun 03, 2016
When light is blocked, we usually see specific 'extinction lines' (where atoms or molecules absorb specific wavelengths of light) or we see re-radiation (absorbing light means heating up. Hot stuff glows in the infrared). So no, it's not likely to be 'blocked' light.
IMP-9
4.6 / 5 (11) Jun 03, 2016
Weren't they planning on decommissioning the Hubble a few years ago?


People running the accounts often pencil in the end of HST because it's expensive to support, however no one is seriously talking about ditching it before it's unavoidable. It will suffer failures but how long it survives in anyones guess. The detectors will also continue to degrade. One possibility is ending the grants given to some investigators.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (13) Jun 03, 2016
@epoxy
100% rubbish. For example
@Phys1
and anyone else interested

epoxy = zephir

seeking to make history as the most banned sock-puppet master of all time

one more reason to continually appeal to the site to adopt my request for moderation

Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (11) Jun 03, 2016
...such as dark energy, dark matter, and dark radiation,


What is 'dark radiation' if not either matter or energy?
Conjectured (not even hypothesized yet) radiation that is only emitted and absorbed by dark matter. Don't confuse it with dark energy; that's a completely different concept.
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (10) Jun 03, 2016
if the speed of light is not quite the constant that we thought it was... how will this change all of our related calculations?
The more important question is, would it change our observations, and the answer is "yes." Since our observations are of reality, it therefore would predict things that do not happen, rendering the discussion of how it would change our calculations moot. I mean, you can go recalculate everything, but observation is what it is. If I take a picture of the Orion nebula tonight and another one tomorrow night, I'll get the same picture (within the limits of the repeatability of my apparatus).
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (13) Jun 03, 2016
@epoxy
100% rubbish. For example
@Phys1
and anyone else interested

epoxy = zephir

seeking to make history as the most banned sock-puppet master of all time

one more reason to continually appeal to the site to adopt my request for moderation

-
Zephir is one of the oldest members of Physorg. After having read many threads going all the way back to 2005 I understood the reason why Zephir created all his own sock puppets. Zephir attempted to counter the negativity of Theghostofotto's sock puppetry that made it appear falsely to other posters that Zephir was down voting all of their legitimate posts with such nicks as TheghostofZephir, GhostofAlizee, and many others, so that those other posters would accuse Zephir of having down voted their posts for no good reason. Zephir and Alizee were only two of Zephir's nicks. Alll of the nicks such as Theghostofalizee, etc. are all Theghostofotto1923's creations. All done to characterize Zephir as a crank
Otto_Szucks
1.2 / 5 (14) Jun 03, 2016
Here are two interesting webpages: one concerns what I have been saying about "spacetime" -

http://www.conspi...ime.html

This is a timeline of the more recent history in science -

http://www.conspi...ng1.html

There were also two Physorg articles from 2011 and 2012 having to do with the Time portion of 'spacetime' being invalid. Dr. Amrit Sorli, et al were the scientists who came to that conclusion and, it seems that not many paid much attention to their premise that Time should not be included in math formulas.
brodix
2.6 / 5 (9) Jun 03, 2016
What is interesting is that they use C to measure the expansion, without acknowledging it is the real spatial ruler. If two points go from x lightyears apart, to 2x lightyears apart, that is not expanding space, but increasing distance.
Remember C is the speed of light "in a vacuum." So there is still this stable vacuum, through which light travels at C. That is the real measure of space, not the redshifted spectrum of the very same intergalactic light.
So either we are at the center of the universe, or redshift is an as yet undiscovered optical effect and all these patches that keep getting added to BBT are just so many epicycles.
If it is an optical effect, then the CMBR is the solution to Olber's paradox; The light of infinite galaxies, shifted off the visible spectrum.
I bet the James Webb Telescope will reveal enough detail to finally make it impossible to shoehorn the evolution of the visible universe into 13.8 billion years. Though I thought the same with the Hubble.
brodix
3 / 5 (6) Jun 03, 2016
Here is an interesting idea;

http://fqxi.org/d...kets.pdf

Essentially that our understanding of light is based on single band or very narrow spectrum photons and the only way they redshift is the doppler effect, but that the light from distant galaxies is so diffuse, that the photons we collect are broad spectrum and they do redshift over distance.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (16) Jun 04, 2016
Zephir ...counter the negativity...
O-Sz/o_s/Pirouette
1- OT and bullsh*t
2- and you have the nerve to call others dishonest? LMFAO

zephir is mad at being the single most banhammered poster on PO and being downrated constantly... that is why he started his sock army

he gets downrated because of his adherence and promotion of a known falsified debunked belief in aether... not just falsified once or twice, mind you, but dozens of times and now to a significant degree (10 ^-18 )

that's orders of magnitude higher than the original M-M

your advocating for a known pseudoscience idiot while getting caught and outed as a blatantly lying crank (here: http://phys.org/n...ght.html )
...yet again...
means that the only lying, dishonest troll here is you

thanks for continuing to demonstrate your literacy problems, inability to use google, and pseudoscience advocacy

you do more to help me than anyone else

Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (15) Jun 04, 2016
sorry for the OT above yall... but on a more topical note:
Here are two interesting webpages: http://www.conspi...ime.html
a web page is not equivalent to a peer reviewed study... and it is stupid for anyone to blindly open a dot.com link from a known trolling pseudoscience crank as it can contain phishing and other malicious software

if you have studies you would like to post regarding the topic of spacetime and your suggestions that it doesn't exist, please link original source material and not some random pseudoscience page operated by a conspiracy theorists that openly states "and possible new interpretations based on an alternative approach to the scientific evidence at hand"

do you know what the definition of pseudoscience is?
even PO links this: https://en.wikipe...oscience

and before you cry about wiki... that link came from the PO site
perhaps you should try reading it

cantdrive85
1.7 / 5 (12) Jun 04, 2016
Can you say falsification? Apparently only heretics are capable of doing so, it's certainly doesn't come from the acolytes of the standard pseudoscience, er theory.
Benni
2.1 / 5 (19) Jun 04, 2016
I bet the James Webb Telescope will reveal enough detail to finally make it impossible to shoehorn the evolution of the visible universe into 13.8 billion years. Though I thought the same with the Hubble.


You're right on the money with that statement brodix. I would even go so far as to say there are those here who are hoping that the JWT launch vehicle blows up on the launch pad just so new science discoveries does not uncover their falsely revered beliefs about the "age of the Universe" currently pegged at 13.7 billion yrs.

Even at this point in time it has already been discovered that there are fully matured galaxies within the so-called Primordial Gas Cloud where the 13.7 - 13.8 Gyr crowd have been adamant in their postulates that such galaxies could not exist, but now we know they're there at z=11, When the JWT starts generating data clearly showing mature galaxies at far greater than z=11, down the toilet goes everything that has ever been postulated about BB.
Benni
1.9 / 5 (17) Jun 04, 2016
...such as dark energy, dark matter, and dark radiation,


What is 'dark radiation' if not either matter or energy?


Conjectured (not even hypothesized yet) radiation that is only emitted and absorbed by dark matter. Don't confuse it with dark energy; that's a completely different concept.


Oh really Schneibo, then how do you propose future Nuclear Science go about rewriting the Mass/Energy Equivalence Principle of E=mc² ? I work in that field, and you'll never convince me & my colleagues you are so much smarter than the staff of engineers & scientists I work with that you are the most brilliant light bulb to light up a room with such mis-education.

So you imagine there is different energy other that Electro-magnetism? The only other kind of energy known to exist is Kinetic Energy=1/2mv² which is a mechanical work computation having nothing to do with Electro-magnetism.

So just how about you tell us all about this "new energy" that is not EM?
epoxy
Jun 04, 2016
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torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.4 / 5 (14) Jun 04, 2016
Reiss should know better than to do science by media,. In the press release he notes that the best Planck result which is also based on astronomical observations et cetera is not in 3 sigma tension with the new astronomical result. He notes that since it also includes WMAP observations it could simply reveal a heretofore unknown systematic error in the CMB measurements.

And of course it doesn't include the new distance ladder in the earlier astronomical observations. Generally these less than 3 sigma results are common, the current inflationary cosmology also has some on the low spatial modes of the only observable universe we have access to.

No need to get one's trousers in a bunch yet. I am not sure there is any pedagogical value in responding yet again to the failed hopefuls that thinks this will somehow open up a gap for their crackpot ideas. The blanket observation is that they are commenting uselessly.
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.3 / 5 (16) Jun 04, 2016
@richard: If you look at a cosmology course, for example look at Susskind's youtube Stanford lectures, you will see how to build up simple descriptive models with the help of the expansion scale factor and newtonian gravity trajectories. But the expansion behavior will differ depending on the internal state of the universe, which energy dominates.

E.g. the inflation and the current dark energy dominated eras can be approximated by exponentials (where the Hubble "parameter" function tells you the rate). [ https://en.wikipe...constant ; scale factor here: https://en.wikipe...smology) ] The photon and matter dominated eras after the Hot Big Bang can be approximated by hyper parabolas respectively parabolas. [Earlier in the same article.]

Good luck!
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.1 / 5 (14) Jun 04, 2016
@aap: Labels would be better than 'placeholder', which only applies to pure mathematical equations.

But DM and DE are fully constrained in standard inflationary cosmology, to Cold DM particles and a constant energy density of the vacuum.

[Then you can proceed to discover what particles DM constrain to or how the particle vacuum works, but those constraints will come from particle physics experiments and have nothing to do with cosmological behavior.]
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (11) Jun 04, 2016
We know from any source that E is proportional to 1/r^2, and that light spreads within any medium. Space is a medium, about 1 hydrogen atom per cubic meter. So is there a correction required. Also Dr. E is wrong the speed light travels is the emitted wavelength divided by the observed wavelet times the speed of light derived from measuring a wavelet divided by it's observed period. Don't argue please, get real! Anyway, in my book of physics, the jury is still out on the expanding universe and it rejects dark anything, except brothers and sisters, juz say'n. So you may use any line, but first define what that 1 atom does to such a large volume, i.e. Permittivity and permeability as a function of volume, also fix the error with mass! We got gravity wrong! Only an approximation, a good one by measure.
Otto_Szucks
1.9 / 5 (14) Jun 05, 2016
Zephir ...counter the negativity...
O-Sz/o_s/Pirouette
1- OT and bullsh*t
2- and you have the nerve to call others dishonest? LMFAO

zephir is mad at being the single most banhammered poster on PO and being downrated constantly... that is why he started his sock army
- Capn Rumpy

I am not calling others "dishonest", I am calling YOU dishonest. Pirouette is long gone. I am not Pirouette and I don't have access to her Marscritters webpages. Since you came late to Physorg, how would you know anything about Pirouette unless you are Theghostofotto's sock puppet. Why, of course you are. You and GhostofottoSkorzeny have the same attitude toward religion and philosophy, and neither of you know science enough to carry on a lengthy discussion with someone who is knowledgeable wrt the topic of the article and to offer sound math equations to prove your point.
And yet you DEMAND substantiation in the form of LINKS so that YOU can validate the science facts.
contd

Otto_Szucks
1.9 / 5 (14) Jun 05, 2016
(cont'd)
he gets downrated because of his adherence and promotion of a known falsified debunked belief in aether... not just falsified once or twice, but dozens of times and now to a significant degree (10 ^-18 )

that's orders of magnitude higher than the original M-M
- Capn Rumpy
So what? How is Zephir's claims of AWT affecting YOUR life, or anyone else's, for that matter?
Do you have any skin in whether or not Zephir or his sock puppets continue to promote his belief in something, even if it has been debunked? Has the science already been settled, and there are no other possibilities or theoretical experimentation to do anymore?
What makes YOU and Otto the Kommandants of this Physorg where you think you have the right to decide who can post their opinions and who should not be allowed to do so?
It is YOU who has a lot of nerve to object to Zephir and any others who wish to post their knowledge or opinion in this website.
If you don't like it, then get lost
Otto_Szucks
1.9 / 5 (14) Jun 05, 2016
(cont'd)
your advocating for a known pseudoscience idiot while getting caught and outed as a blatantly lying crank (here: http://phys.org/n...ght.html )
...yet again...
means that the only lying, dishonest troll here is you
- Capn Rumpy
I am not advocating for Zephir's AWT since I haven't studied it enough to make that sort of decision. But I DO advocate for Zephir's RIGHT to post here on Physorg, just as I would advocate for anyone else's right to do so.
But it is YOU who is overstepping whatever right you THINK you have to diminish or muzzle someone else's Freedom of Speech in this forum. I strongly urge you to quell your rhetoric against others who wish to post their opinions, whether right or not.

As to what I posted in the link you provided, I was ON TOPIC, and I told no lies. Everything I said was true wrt to my experiences and my knowledge.
It is YOU who is the crank, troll, idiot no-nothing and you are an offensive twit.
Otto_Szucks
1.8 / 5 (15) Jun 05, 2016
(cont'd)
thanks for continuing to demonstrate your literacy problems, inability to use google, and pseudoscience advocacy

you do more to help me than anyone else

- Capn Rumpy
As I have already revealed your true nature in my first three posts above this one, I must say that I think you are suffering from "THE BIG HEAD", which is a malady that affects some who use the internet with the goal of repurposing your/their dismal life, so that as many others who can be reached and influenced will be drawn to your vast wealth of Wikipedia "know-how" and will offer you praise and friendship...particularly to help you down vote those with whom you are in total disagreement.
I believe that is an accurate further description of your reason for being on Physorg, whether as a sock puppet of Theghostofotto - or not.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (15) Jun 05, 2016
apparently i hit a sore spot with the truth since i got 4 ranting posts! LOL
Since you came late to Physorg, how would you know anything about Pirouette unless..
because what happens on the net is there forever and unlike you, i can use google and i can read

and apparently you still haven't learned that google really does work - not only to dig up past posts, but to compare text, analyze syntax and keywords, and much more
I am not Pirouette
right... gotcha...
http://phys.org/n...ght.html

not even going to bother with the rest of your crap because you're seeking attention - which is why you posted nothing but unsubstantiated claims sans evidence

PS - when ya get the chance, learn to use this link: https://www.google.com/

perhaps you won't keep being outed
epoxy
Jun 05, 2016
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Benni
1.8 / 5 (19) Jun 05, 2016
ROTFLMFAO
you DO REALISE that if I wanted to steal your info, I would just ping your server and get your internet IP which would give me the ability to go right to your doorstep? Easy since I KNOW your login here AND when you are on.


Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp]http://phys.org/n...html#jCp[/url]

you DO REALISE that if I wanted to steal your info, I would just ping your server and get your internet IP which would give me the ability to go right to your doorstep? Easy since I KNOW your login here AND when you are on


Jeepers Stump, if you could do all that you would have already done it..........why get so PO'd at me just because you are so mathematically challenged.


Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp]http://phys.org/n...html#jCp[/url]

right...gotcha.... retired old fireman whose mouth is so filled with provocative filth that he can't think straight about anything else.
Tri-ring
1.4 / 5 (9) Jun 05, 2016
Here is an interesting thought, what if the distance between only galaxies are expanding but not within galaxies.
This means the void in space that is has little influence by gravity is expanding.
So what is dark energy?
Einstein's theory of general relativity dictates that our 3 spacial dimensions itself is affected by gravity and that the spacial dimensions can stretch or contract with or absence of gravity.
What if there are more then 3 spacial dimensions and that those spacial dimensions are stretching out in the void of space where there is little gravity to keep them contracted?
This can easily explain the reason of speeding up of expansion of space since with more void between galaxies less interference of gravity that would prohibit the expansion of the other spacial dimensions.
Benni
2.2 / 5 (17) Jun 05, 2016
But it is YOU who is overstepping whatever right you THINK you have to diminish or muzzle someone else's Freedom of Speech in this forum. I strongly urge you to quell your rhetoric against others who wish to post their opinions, whether right or not.


Hey, if he quelled his negative rhetoric against others he wouldn't have anything to say. He is a very embittered tired old man with no ambitions left in life than to get on social media & blame others for all his divorces & adult children who also find him so repugnant that they won't even talk to him, so he comes here.

He comes here to blow off steam, and you can tell by the in-the-face confrontations he creates with others that these are also the personal issues he has with his family life. This site is just his place to blow-off all the hatred he has for others who in real life want nothing to do with his disposition, he needs friends, he comes here to get them for approval of his demented lifestyle.
my2cts
3.7 / 5 (12) Jun 05, 2016
OMG Benni are you still here, posting your crap?
Get lost, you nasty troll.
Benni
1.7 / 5 (17) Jun 05, 2016
OMG Benni are you still here, posting your crap?
Get lost, you nasty troll.


....... just following your lead. Don't like it? Then go someplace other than a science site to post your resentments & hatreds towards those who respect the content to which a science site is dedicated. By the way, take chileastro with you as well as the 1st semester physics guy who is still trying to figure out what a Differential Equation is.
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
apparently i hit a sore spot with the truth since i got 4 ranting posts! LOL
Since you came late to Physorg, how would you know anything about Pirouette unless..
because what happens on the net is there forever and unlike you, i can use google and i can read
- Rumpy

That is correct. All past threads & comments are there for all to see. So how would YOU know about Pirouette except by reading about her discoveries about the life that she found in the Mars pictures from NASA. YOU know nothing of the Truth about past commenters except what you have read about them, but you never KNEW Pirouette or discussed anything with her. That makes YOU a liar.

You are nothing more than a "name-dropper" of the type who speaks of others as though you knew them and conversed with them...which you never did, UNLESS you are Theghostofotto's sock puppet.
Otto_Szucks
1.7 / 5 (12) Jun 05, 2016

and apparently you still haven't learned that google... - not only to dig up past posts, but to compare text, analyze syntax and keywords, and much more
I am not Pirouette
right... gotcha...
http://phys.org/n...ght.html

perhaps you won't keep being outed
- Rumpy
YOU have outed yourself as:
1. a fraudulent scientist wannabe,
2. a "name-dropper",
3. a liar with regard to people that you had never spoken to,
4. a fatuous, pompous "blowhard"
5. a personal information THIEF, and
6. a "gotcha" Ghoul who demands information from posters who know enough science already to not bother having to look up links for you, just so that you can inflate your ego further and derive attention from the study and hard work of others, and pretend that you know what THEY know.

You are, indeed, a Ghoul who thrives on the knowledge of other posters, and your aim is to convince everyone of how needed and relevant you are to this website.
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (12) Jun 05, 2016
Capn Rumpy is an information Ghoul. Rumpy FEEDS on knowledge that was hard-won and earned by those who spent long hours studying and filling their own brains with data and complex math to accomplish their life's goals in whatever field they chose. Along comes Capn Rumpy to Physorg to pick the brains of those who have accomplished that which Rumpy could not do for him/herself.
Everything I have said in the thread below is true.

http://phys.org/n...ght.html

Those who don't believe my words are free to not believe. Rumpy cannot prepare a refutation of my words without demanding links to my PERSONAL experiences and knowledge. This has greatly upset Rumpy because he/she wished to POSSESS what I know to be true, particularly because my PERSONAL experiences and knowledge are unknowable by anyone else but myself.

Thee are others with similar experiences of whom Rumpy would like to squeeze for their personal information also.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (14) Jun 05, 2016
wow... still hurting?
that really must have hit home hard, eh o_sz?
So how would YOU know about Pirouette except by
no "except by", idiot-girl
1- otto and others have linked it and i am literate unlike, apparently, you

2- you can google keywords in get search results, so when you lie about X... get it yet?

3- given your above demonstrated limitations (plus elsewhere), perhaps this will help you
http://www.kidzwo...tutorial

it aint rocket surgery
(unless you can't read or have brain damage)

so you're a chronic liar but you think repeating the lie makes it more true?

like your numbered list... every single point is fraudulent, & you can't even claim ignorance because you've already been caught by several people lying (like when Estevan57 outed you)

you wouldn't be able to substantiate a claim if it were linked in the article you're posting on

feel free to PM 'cause aint gonna keep this BS up

all you want is attention
bye
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
LMAO @ Rumpy
Now Rumpy is gonna lie and say that I PMed her. That is the reason for Rumpy saying "feel free to PM". Since I don't believe in PMing anyone, I will only say what I have to say in the appropriate threads, as I have always done.
Notice how CapnRumpy uses something that I've said, twists it around, and then throws it back at me.
Like I said...Rumpy is:
1. a fraudulent scientist wannabe,
2. a "name-dropper",
3. a liar with regard to people that she had never spoken to,
4. a fatuous, pompous "blowhard"
5. a personal information THIEF, and
6. a "gotcha" Ghoul who demands information from posters who know enough science already to not bother having to look up links for her, just so that she can inflate her ego further and derive attention from the study and hard work of others, and pretend that she knows what THEY know.

You are, indeed, a Ghoul who thrives on the knowledge of other posters, and your aim is to convince everyone of how needed and relevant you are.
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (12) Jun 05, 2016
As to poor little fool, Estevan57 - It's evident that Estevan57 gave out way too much personal and business information to Theghostofotto1923 aka CapnStumpRumpy, with regard to ALL the names of his clients/customers of his CNC machine shop in Oregon, as well as other information about his 48 employees, his niece, and other info which, of course, Theghostofotto at some point asked Estevan WHY he gave Otto all his info, and didn't Estevan understand that Otto could contact all of Estevan57's customers and tell them about Estevan57's idiotic remarks in Physorg threads. (paraphrasing all)
Now, poor little fool, Estevan57 agrees with Rumpy/Otto/UncleIra and up-votes Otto's, Rumpy's and UncleIra's ratings so that Otto won't contact Estevan's customers. Otherwise, Estevan57 may lose a LOT of business and revenue if those companies find out what Estevan57 has been doing in Physorg threads.
Too bad. Estevan was doing so well before Otto got him over a barrel and threatens to pork him.
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
HEY OTTO...(Theghostofotto1923) where is your LINK to the thread where I or anyone else expressed a belief in, or ever said that 900 foot tall glassy headed martians (laying down) on Mars were SEEN by anyone.

You STILL didn't give that link, and you think that "excerpts" where you could easily change words and sentences would be acceptable as proof? Now be a good smelly turd and look for that link and present it so that everyone can see it. It has to have MY name (in the format of a comment) as having said it...OR the name of Pirouette or anyone else, to prove that it was said by ONE OF US.

PROVE you weren't lying, Otto. You have 4 days left to show that proof. After that, your nick will be ALL OVER THE INTERNET as a LIAR and a psychopath.

Benni
1.7 / 5 (18) Jun 05, 2016
OS.....in case you don't already know it, antialias_physorg did the same thing as Estevan. I couldn't believe it when I read AP's statement on here over a year ago that he sent his resume to the Stump. Why would any accomplished Professional person, as AP claims to be, want to send their resume to a retired old fireman? That in & of itself speaks of desperation .

What can an old retired fireman do to enhance the professional standing of any science professional? AP is probably hoping no one ever digs up that old post with him bragging about it.......let's see if he follows up & denies it, you know, just like a couple weeks ago when Shneibo denied he ever posted a 5 Star vote for chileastro's post threatening to perform bodily injury on me in a dark alley & challenged me to prove it, so I did.

Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (15) Jun 05, 2016
@Benni
Perhaps some people have been mesmerized somehow into giving their detailed personal and business info to strangers on the internet. There has to be a name for that kind of surrender. I have a copy of what CapnStump said in a message to gkam, stating that antialias_Pnysorg had also given Stumpy personal information, but asked Stumpy to not disclose that information. Stumpy claims that he did not disclose it, but it's for certain that he still has it in his possession. In essence, Stumpy/Otto has antialias over a barrel, ready to pork him if he is not in compliance.
Same with Estevan57. Stumpy mentioned in the message to gkam that there were OTHERS who had also given personal info to Stumpy/Otto. Possibly DaSchneibo is also over a barrel, since he also gets all FIVES whether right or wrong.
And why would an old ex-fireman want someone else's info when all people do on this site is make comments on science topics? There is something rotten in Denmark, IMO. Soul Eaters?
Benni
1.7 / 5 (18) Jun 05, 2016
Perhaps some people have been mesmerized somehow into giving their detailed personal and business info to strangers on the internet. There has to be a name for that kind of surrender.
OS, It's the I NEED FRIENDS SYNDROME to put it bluntly.

I have a copy of what CapnStump said in a message to gkam, stating that antialias_Pnysorg had also given Stumpy personal information, but asked Stumpy to not disclose that information. Stumpy claims that he did not disclose it, but it's for certain that he still has it in his possession. In essence
......and this begs the question of WHY? It's some kind of social desperation that causes people to do this, I think there is so much loneliness in their personal lives that causes this, I guess I should be glad that I don't have the time they have to be lonely.

TehDog
4.5 / 5 (17) Jun 05, 2016
Anyone want to run a text based style analysis on Pirouette and O_S ?
Plenty of samples here;

http://phys.org/n...und.html

"Further down on the same page are pictures providing proof of large life forms that are semi-transparent. Those are NOT geology and are not a trick of light and shadow. Mars has life."

O_S learned well the art of button pushing, but failed at stealth.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
Anyone want to run a text based style analysis on Pirouette and O_S ?
Plenty of samples here;

http://phys.org/n...und.html

"Further down on the same page are pictures providing proof of large life forms that are semi-transparent. Those are NOT geology and are not a trick of light and shadow. Mars has life."

O_S learned well the art of button pushing, but failed at stealth.
- TheDog
You won't get anything since I don't have Pirouette's password, etc. for her Marscritters webpages. You seem jealous and bitter. Got angst? Not getting any sex lately? Could be that you stink. Have you considered using soap? It might help, ya know.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
Perhaps some people have been mesmerized somehow into giving their detailed personal and business info to strangers on the internet. There has to be a name for that kind of surrender.
OS, It's the I NEED FRIENDS SYNDROME to put it bluntly.

I have a copy of what CapnStump said in a message to gkam, stating that antialias_Pnysorg had also given Stumpy personal information, but asked Stumpy to not disclose that information. Stumpy claims that he did not disclose it, but it's for certain that he still has it in his possession. In essence
......and this begs the question of WHY? It's some kind of social desperation that causes people to do this, I think there is so much loneliness in their personal lives that causes this, I guess I should be glad that I don't have the time they have to be lonely.

- Benni
It could be an acute form of desperation wrt loneliness, but I think there's more to it. Suppose many of these posters were part of a Witch's Coven.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
@Benni
Yes, the possibility of members of a Witch's Coven posting nasty shit on Pnysorg seems impossible, doesn't it? And yet, after reading the crap that they submit as "comments", you've got to wonder..either many of these people are using computers in a mental institution as a form of therapy...or they are posting on Physorg because they didn't think that they could be detected as "devil worshippers" and have free reign to post whatever they want, and steal other peoples' identities including social security numbers, addresses, phone #s, etc.
According to statistics, the Church of Wicca and other devil-worshipping groups are growing in the US, while Christian church membership is diminishing. Such devil-worshippers are starting to have a lot of clout and influence politically and idiots and the mentally deranged are attracted to these groups.
And Physorg is loaded with atheists who have no belief in God the Creator, so this site is perfect for d-w to hang out among them.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
@TheDog
From your link:

Pirouette1 / 5 (2)
Nov 08, 2011
@Skultch
As I've said to you earlier in this thread when you started in on me, "IF YOU ARE AN ASTROBIOLOGIST, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER". Since you have proven not to be an Astrobiologist, then we have nothing further to discuss since I much prefer talking about Martian life forms with a PROFESSIONAL scientist who knows what he's talking about. I am wasting my time with you and I am not interested in your mental evaluations of me or the rest of the human race. You and your opinions are only important to yourself. I will no longer reply directly to you, but I will refer this thread to one and all who ask why you continue your obsession with me. The Mars pictures speak for themselves. If you disagree, then don't look.

http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

The Skulltch person admits to being irrational and believes everyone else is also irrational. Definitely bonkers.
RealityCheck
1.2 / 5 (17) Jun 05, 2016
Hi Otto_Szucks, and everyone. :)

Mate, I am an atheist since 9 yrs old. And believe me when I say I 'worship' no-one and no-thing, especially no 'gods' or 'devils' of any way shape or form as imagined by those who are 'ruled' by such 'supernatural' and/or 'natural' need to 'worship' instead of 'think' with reason and compassion upon the science and humanity we are all engaged in at various levels, subconsciously or consciously, willingly or unwillingly.

Mate, please tone down the 'supernatural' perspective on science or people. There is ample 'natural' ignorance, ego and malice to account for much of the trolling/harassing etc posts here, on ALL 'sides'.

Let's try to reduce the past feuds and fakes, and concentrate on building a new year at PO based on science discovery and humanity reconciliation.

We are all in the same boat. Let's try to do better this new year, hey mate, everyone?

Good luck in your respective 'real' realities, everyone! :)
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
Now see, if that had been ME, I would have engaged Skulltch in a long winded conversation about his mental issues and what a waste of sperm from his daddy he is, the same as I do with Theghostofotto1923's mental issues. After a session with me, I'm almost sure that Skulltch would've sliced his wrist or throat and bled all over his keyboard because of what I would've said to him. And I would've told him the TRUTH about himself, instead of pussyfooting around like his psycho-care-giver was obviously doing while Skulltch was downing those hallucinogenic shrooms and talking like everyone else in the world was insane right along with him.

And poor TehDoggie seems to HATE the idea that a woman could do science. And not just ANY science, but MARTIAN science, of all things. I'm sure that Pirouette is a lovely woman who offered to reveal her discoveries on this site, and got kicked in the teeth for her willingness to share her findings.
And what has TehDoggie contributed? Nothing.
TehDog
4.5 / 5 (15) Jun 05, 2016
"You won't get anything since I don't have Pirouette's password"
You misunderstand. An analysis of your writing style compared with an analysis of Pirouete's style will show any similarities.

I'm gonna check out http://stanfordnl...CoreNLP/

Looks useful.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (13) Jun 05, 2016
@RC
Nice of you to drop in, good buddy. The year is half over, by the way. Your choice is your choice to be whatever you want to be...or not to be.
As far as talking about religion...devil worshippers in this site take their religion very seriously, and I doubt that they care about your opinion re religion. They just don't want to read about the Christian God...only Lucifer/Satan/Baphomet is their god. That is basically why they hate Christians, and atheists are great at enabling that kind of hate.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT, LUCI?
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (12) Jun 06, 2016
"You won't get anything since I don't have Pirouette's password"
You misunderstand. An analysis of your writing style compared with an analysis of Pirouete's style will show any similarities.

I'm gonna check out http://stanfordnl...CoreNLP/

Looks useful.
- TheDog
Of course there will be similarities. We both speak English. I even have similarities with YOUR writing style. Why don't you analyze my writing style with RC, Benni, and most of the people in the comments area to see how we match up. And if any of us match up, what does it all mean to you? Do I get a prize for writing like you? I happen to know that my writing style matches with most people, depending on the topic and whether we agree or disagree. English is English and your foolishness belies the fact that you are a dreadful old prune who is bitterly hoping that I can cut off my penis and testicles so that I can better match YOUR idea of what you would prefer me to be.
You are on IGNORE from now on.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (14) Jun 06, 2016
TehDog says
I'm gonna check out http://stanfordnl...CoreNLP/

Looks useful
which prompts a fear based delusional rant from o_s, plus this gem
You are on IGNORE from now on.
if i would have known it was that easy i would have told her a long time ago that she was being analyzed for ... "base forms of words, their parts of speech, whether they are names of companies, people, etc., normalize dates, times, and numeric quantities, and mark up the structure of sentences in terms of phrases and word dependencies, indicate which noun phrases refer to the same entities, indicate sentiment, extract open-class relations between mentions, etc."

LMFAO

@TehDog
useful tool... let us know what it says!
Otto_Szucks
Jun 06, 2016
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stein-age
1 / 5 (10) Jun 06, 2016
The universe is expanding faster and faster because we are getting closer and closer to the edge that surrounds our universe. Soon we will crash in it, lol ! (It's like the bubbles in your coffe cup that always starts to float faster and faster towards the surrounding walls around the coffe). Of course I have made my TOE grounded on this, years ago.

Cheers
AGreatWhopper
3 / 5 (14) Jun 06, 2016
antdrive853 /5 (4) Jun 04, 2016
Can you say falsification?


Always. That makes you jealous doesn't it?
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (7) Jun 06, 2016
We know from any source that E is proportional to 1/r^2, and that light spreads within any medium. Space is a medium, about 1 hydrogen atom per cubic meter. So is there a correction required. Also Dr. E is wrong the speed light travels is the emitted wavelength divided by the observed wavelet times the speed of light derived from measuring a wavelet divided by it's observed period. Don't argue please, get real! Anyway, in my book of physics, the jury is still out on the expanding universe and it rejects dark anything, except brothers and sisters, juz say'n. So you may use any line, but first define what that 1 atom does to such a large volume, i.e. Permittivity and permeability as a function of volume, also fix the error with mass! We got gravity wrong! Only an approximation, a good one by measure.

This was the argument, is the universe expanding? Think we are off subject.
gotkis_y
1 / 5 (10) Jun 07, 2016
Here is something to be considered:
1. Recent discovery of gravitational waves showed that in case of coalescence of a spiraling binary an enormous gravitational energy was emitted, also propagating enormously far from the event location.
2. My observations of a liquid vortex – a liquid black hole, closely resembling a cosmic one, showed it emanating outgoing spiral waves induced due to fluctuating geometry of the vortex funnel. Being spiral the emanated waves carry energy transferrable to the mass objects on their way thus causing mass repulsion.
3. Actually, any spinning asymmetric mass object or group of objects should generate energetic gravitational waves.
4. There is enormous number of spinning black holes in the universe. Assuming they are not perfectly symmetric we conclude that, fueled by consumption of acquired masses, they act as emitters of repulsive gravitational energy thus causing a long range mass repulsion effect/field.
Sounds natural, isn't it?
Hyperfuzzy
1 / 5 (8) Jun 07, 2016

Sounds natural, isn't it?

Really? Your imagination vs sound physics. You're all mistaken. All of this is based upon false assumption and theory. Dude, none of it makes any sense! Think! We haven't defined real global constants and some are not even constant. We add BS to even define a mass of charged particles. Something obvious as rain. We agree with Einstein, why? Lucky photoelectrics. Lucky 'cause h nu fit? Com'on. This nonsense has to stop, i.e the selling of stupidity.
AlbertPierrepointOBE
3 / 5 (18) Jun 07, 2016
Stunning hypocrisy. Only the religious right can manage it to such an extreme.

Ottosucker decries the lack of civility and implies that any that criticize him or bshit/benni are mentally ill.
Otto_Szucks 1 /5 (6) Jun 05, 2016
@Benni
Yes, the possibility of members of a Witch's Coven posting nasty shit on Pnysorg seems impossible, doesn't it? And yet, after reading the crap that they submit as "comments", you've got to wonder..either many of these people are using computers in a mental institution as a form of therapy...


-- and a few minutes later whips out his right wing hypocrisy skills and spews --

Otto_Szucks 1 /5 (6) Jun 05, 2016

You seem jealous and bitter. Got angst? Not getting any sex lately? Could be that you stink. Have you considered using soap? It might help, ya know.


But that's right wing morality. It's for everyone else. They're justified. I really hope I see you at the Webb launch.
AlbertPierrepointOBE
2.6 / 5 (15) Jun 07, 2016
Benni 1.5 /5 (8) Jun 05, 2016
OS, It's the I NEED FRIENDS SYNDROME to put it bluntly.


Now, OS, THERE'S the one you say sounds like they need to get laid. I guess it's difficult find something with just the right aura and all those "magical" things we don't appreciate. Isn't there some new age shop that sells vibrators where you can dial in the aura? Probably come with aromatherapy. Might be worth it. Those braided armpits can get rather malodorous.
TehDog
4.4 / 5 (14) Jun 07, 2016
@CS I've decided against the Stanford suite, seems way to complex for my simple needs. I found this, http://evllabs.co...ain_Page
which is much easier to get to grips with. Just collating a bunch of sample texts from some of the more prolific posters to provide a decent data set. Much googling and copy/paste involved :)
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (10) Jun 08, 2016
Stunning hypocrisy. Only the religious right can manage it to such an extreme.

Ottosucker decries the lack of civility and implies that any that criticize him or bshit/benni are mentally ill.
Otto_Szucks 1 /5 (6) Jun 05, 2016
@Benni
Yes, the possibility of members of a Witch's Coven posting nasty shit on Pnysorg seems impossible, doesn't it? And yet, after reading the crap that they submit as "comments", you've got to wonder..either many of these people are using computers in a mental institution as a form of therapy...


-- and a few minutes later whips out his --

Otto_Szucks 1 /5 (6) Jun 05, 2016

You seem jealous and bitter. Got angst? Not getting any sex lately? Could be that you stink. Have you considered using soap? It might help, ya know.


But that's right wing morality. It's for everyone else. They're justified. I really hope I see you at the Webb launch.
- AlbertPierrepointOBE

I will be there.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (10) Jun 08, 2016
Benni 1.5 /5 (8) Jun 05, 2016
OS, It's the I NEED FRIENDS SYNDROME to put it bluntly.


Now, OS, THERE'S the one you say sounds like they need to get laid. I guess it's difficult find something with just the right aura and all those "magical" things we don't appreciate. Isn't there some new age shop that sells vibrators where you can dial in the aura? Probably come with aromatherapy. Might be worth it. Those braided armpits can get rather malodorous.
- AlbertPierrepointOBE
Nah...Benni has loads of friends. No problem there. As far as getting laid, do you really think that's anyone's business but Benni's? If YOU want to check whether Benni gets laid or not, why don't you ask HIM?
New age? Nah...that's not for me. Mebbe some of the posters here in Physorg threads might indulge in red candles and a five-pointed star on their basement floor. Why don't you ask around to find out if anyone in Physorg does that kind of thing?
BTW, My wife says you're weird.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (9) Jun 08, 2016
@Yehiel Gotkis
Shalom aleichem and welcome to Phys.org.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (10) Jun 09, 2016
@CS I've decided against the Stanford suite, seems way to complex for my simple needs
@TehDog
been fiddling with it myself... i have to agree with you

let me know how your other program works
Much googling and copy/paste involved
well, i have a lot of saved data ... we might be able to pull certain posters with known socks (alche/waterprofit and most zephir socks) as validation tests when you get it up and running

let me know
Thanks

AlbertPierrepointOBE
2.7 / 5 (14) Jun 09, 2016
Otto_Szucks 1 /5 (4) Jun 08, 2016
BTW, My wife says you're weird.


Do my job day in and day out and then let me know what weird is.

I guess rednecks still don't allow their wimin online accounts. Seriously, I know that was supposed to be in quotes. That's what you need. A scumbag that can do sock voting. Sock voting by a true sock. There's an advance.
BongThePuffin
Jun 09, 2016
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ChiefFartingDog
Jun 09, 2016
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john berry_hobbes
1 / 5 (9) Jun 09, 2016
It's interesting what those two say to each other. It's what pirouette used to say to Bennie and bshit. Which is the sock? Doesn't matter, I guess.

I'm getting the impression that OS is really a woman. That "failed at stealth" comment is spot on. OS is actually at a level where she thinks saying, "my wife" instantly befuddles everyone. It also explains the claim "I have a job". Another stay-at-home baby monger environmental terrorist.

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