Space mission first to observe key interaction between magnetic fields of Earth and Sun

May 12, 2016 by Karen C. Fox, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center
This artist's rendition shows the four identical MMS spacecraft flying near the sun-facing boundary of Earth's magnetic field (blue wavy lines). The MMS mission has revealed the clearest picture yet of the process of magnetic reconnection between the magnetic fields of Earth and the sun -- a driving force behind space weather, solar flares and other energetic phenomena. Credit: NASA

Like sending sensors up into a hurricane, NASA has flown four spacecraft through an invisible maelstrom in space, called magnetic reconnection. Magnetic reconnection is one of the prime drivers of space radiation and so it is a key factor in the quest to learn more about our space environment and protect our spacecraft and astronauts as we explore farther and farther from our home planet.

Space is a better vacuum than any we can create on Earth, but it does contain some particles—and it's bustling with activity. It overflows with energy and a complex system of magnetic fields. Sometimes, when two sets of magnetic fields connect, an explosive reaction occurs: As the magnetic fields re-align and snap into a new formation they send particles zooming off in jets.

A new paper printed on May 12, 2016, in Science provides the first observations from inside a magnetic event. The research shows that is dominated by the physics of electrons—thus providing crucial information about what powers this fundamental process in nature.

The effects of this sudden release of particles and energy—such as giant eruptions on the sun, the aurora, radiation storms in near-Earth space, high energy cosmic particles that come from other galaxies—have been observed throughout the solar system and beyond. But we have never been able to witness the phenomenon of magnetic reconnection directly. Satellites have observed tantalizing glances of particles speeding by, but not the impetus—like seeing the debris flung out from a tornado, but never seeing the storm itself.

Credit: NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center/Duberstein

"We developed a mission, the Magnetospheric Multiscale mission, that for the first time would have the precision needed to gather observations in the heart of magnetic reconnection," said Jim Burch, the principal investigator for MMS at the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas, and the first author of the Science paper. "We received results faster than we could have expected. By seeing magnetic reconnection in action, we have observed one of the fundamental forces of nature."

MMS is made of four identical spacecraft that launched in March 2015. They fly in a pyramid formation to create a full 3-D map of any phenomena they observe. On Oct. 16, 2015, the spacecraft traveled straight through a magnetic reconnection event at the boundary where Earth's magnetic field bumps up against the sun's magnetic field. In only a few seconds, the 25 sensors on each of the spacecraft collected thousands of observations. This unprecedented time cadence opened the door for scientists to track better than ever before how the magnetic and electric fields changed, as well as the speeds and direction of the various charged particles.

The science of reconnection springs from the basic science of electromagnetics, which dominates most of the universe and is a force as fundamental in space as gravity is on Earth. Any set of magnetic fields can be thought of as a row of lines. These field lines are always anchored to some body—a planet, a star—creating a giant magnetic network surrounding it. It is at the boundaries of two such networks where magnetic reconnection happens.

The four MMS spacecraft fly in a tightly controlled tetrahedral (pyramid) shape that can be re-scaled by changing the distances between each spacecraft. MMS can image the behavior of electrons within this tetrahedron once every 30 milliseconds -- providing 100X greater resolution than previous efforts. Credit: NASA GSFC

Imagine rows of magnetic field lines moving toward each other at such a boundary. (The boundary that MMS travels through, for example, is the one where Earth's fields meet the sun's.) The field lines are sometimes traveling in the same direction, and don't have much effect on each other, like two water currents flowing along side each other.

But if the two sets of field lines point in opposite directions, the process of realigning is dramatic. It can be hugely explosive, sending particles hurtling off at near the speed of light. It can also be slow and steady. Either way it releases a huge amount of energy.

"One of the mysteries of magnetic reconnection is why it's explosive in some cases, steady in others, and in some cases, magnetic reconnection doesn't occur at all," said Tom Moore, the mission scientist for MMS at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.

Whether explosive or steady, the local particles are caught up in the event, hurled off to areas far away, crossing magnetic boundaries they never could have crossed otherwise. At the edges of Earth's magnetic environment, the magnetosphere, such events allow solar radiation to enter near-Earth space.

The four Magnetospheric Multiscale, or MMS, spacecraft (shown here in an artist's concept) have now made more than 4,000 trips through the boundaries of Earth's magnetic field, gathering observations of our dynamic space environment. Credit: NASA/Goddard/Conceptual Image Lab

"From previous satellites' measurements, we know that the magnetic fields act like a slingshot, sending the protons accelerating out," said Burch. "The decades-old mystery is what do the electrons do, and how do the two magnetic fields interconnect. Satellite measurements of electrons have been too slow by a factor of 100 to sample the magnetic reconnection region. The precision and speed of the MMS measurements, however, opened up a new window on the universe, a new 'microscope' to see reconnection."

With this new set of observations, MMS tracked what happens to electrons during magnetic reconnection. As the four spacecraft flew across the magnetosphere's boundary they flew directly through what's called the dissipation region where magnetic reconnection occurred. The observations were able to track how the magnetic fields suddenly shifted, and also how the particles moved away.

The observations show that the electrons shot away in straight lines from the original event at hundreds of miles per second, crossing the magnetic boundaries that would normally deflect them. Once across the boundary, the particles curved back around in response to the new magnetic fields they encountered, making a U-turn. These observations align with a computer simulation known as the crescent model, named for the characteristic crescent shapes that the graphs show to represent how far across the magnetic boundary the electrons can be expected to travel before turning around again.

Magnetic reconnection -- a phenomenon that happens throughout space -- occurs when magnetic field lines come together, realign and send particles hurling outward. Credit: NASA/Goddard/Conceptual Image Lab

A surprising result was that at the moment of interconnection between the sun's magnetic field lines and those of Earth the crescents turned abruptly so that the electrons flowed along the field lines. By watching these electron tracers, MMS made the first observation of the predicted breaking and interconnection of magnetic fields in space.

"The data showed the entire process of magnetic reconnection to be fairly orderly and elegant," said Michael Hesse, a space scientist at Goddard who first developed the crescent model. "There doesn't seem to be much turbulence present, or at least not enough to disrupt or complicate the process."

Spotting the persistent characteristic crescent shape in the electron distributions suggests that it is the physics of electrons that is at the heart of understanding how lines accelerate the particles.

Space is a better vacuum than any we can create on Earth, but it's nonetheless bustling with activity, particles and magnetic field lines. NASA studies our space environment to protect our technology and astronauts as we explore farther and farther from our home planet. Credit: NASA/Goddard/Conceptual Image Lab

"This shows us that the electrons move in such a way that electric fields are established and these electric fields in turn produce a flash conversion of magnetic energy," said Roy Torbert, a scientist at the Space Science Center at the University of New Hampshire in Durham, who is a co-author on the paper. "The encounter that our instruments were able to measure gave us a clearer view of an explosive reconnection energy release and the role played by electron physics."

Since it launched, MMS has made more than 4,000 trips through the magnetic boundaries around Earth, each time gathering information about the way the magnetic fields and particles move. After its first direct observation of magnetic reconnection, it has flown through such an event five more times, providing more information about this fundamental process.

As the mission continues, the team can adjust the formation of the MMS spacecraft bringing them closer together, which provides better viewing of electron paths, or further apart, which provides better viewing of proton paths. Each set of observations contributes to explaining different aspects of magnetic reconnection. Together, such information will help scientists map out the details of our space environment—crucial information as we journey ever farther beyond our home planet.

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More information: "Electron-scale measurements of magnetic reconnection in space," Science, DOI: 10.1126/science.aaf2939

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physman
4.8 / 5 (16) May 12, 2016
Get the popcorn ready guys
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (28) May 12, 2016
Ah yes, more about pseudoscience...

"Magnetic reconnection is pseudoscience" Hannes Alfvèn
jeffreyjoemiller
1.2 / 5 (17) May 12, 2016
Equally interesting, but with much less media attention, is the interactive relationship between the magnetic fields of sun > earth > living beings, in the context of physical and mental health.
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (18) May 12, 2016
Equally interesting, but with much less media attention, is the interactive relationship between the magnetic fields of sun > earth > living beings, in the context of physical and mental health.

How bout just in the context of living - period...
Benni
2.4 / 5 (26) May 12, 2016
Get the popcorn ready guys
.......for Schneibo & Chileastro as they cheer on for the "beatings" of those who disagree with the membership of those in their Rant Brigade.

I have a recurring dream where I'm in a bar and overhear someone saying something that identifies them as one of the regular trolls, like benni, and I follow them out into a dark alley and beat some respect into their empty heads.
........chileastro.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

I wonder if we'll ever hear from him again.

gculpex
5 / 5 (2) May 12, 2016
And what else would protons and electrons be doing in space?
jonesdave
4.6 / 5 (19) May 12, 2016
Ah yes, more about pseudoscience...

"Magnetic reconnection is pseudoscience" Hannes Alfvèn


Died 20 years ago. Try keeping up. Some of his former students are studying magnetic reconnection as we speak. And have found it to be happening. So it doesn't really matter what somebody who died 2 decades ago actually thought. Does it?
PhysicsMatter
5 / 5 (2) May 12, 2016
The reconnection is a metaphor based on field like representation of the magnetic flux morphology.

In this metaphor so-called "open" IMF field line (that started in the sun) and closed earth's magnetic field lines approach each other to a common tangential point and then cut and reconnect to other ends and are swept back int so- called magnetotail where after a while reconnection occurs again and closed field line is returning to sun side of the magnetosphere and the other end connect again to IMF field line and is moving out to outer space. I

n short, it is a models of how solar wind magnetized plasma flows around magnetic or plasmatic obstacle which earth's magnetosphere is.

But in fact it is all about "catastrophic" reconfiguration of the magnetic filed structure at the magnetosphere boundary, via plasmatic and magnetic flux transfer (energy transfer) from solar wind to magnetosphere that is mostly responsible for mspheric substorms and mag. storms.

Phys1
4.2 / 5 (21) May 12, 2016
Ah yes, more about pseudoscience...

"Magnetic reconnection is pseudoscience" Hannes Alfvèn

So observation is "pseudoscience".
Keep that in mind when reading cd45's prose.
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (19) May 12, 2016
They fly in a pyramid formation to create a full 3-D map of any phenomena they observe.
Errr, technically it's a tetrahedron, not a "pyramid."
Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (21) May 12, 2016
Clarke's First Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (18) May 12, 2016
Get the popcorn ready guys
.......for Schneibo & Chileastro as they cheer on for the "beatings" of those who disagree with the membership of those in their Rant Brigade.

I have a recurring dream where I'm in a bar and overhear someone saying something that identifies them as one of the regular trolls, like benni, and I follow them out into a dark alley and beat some respect into their empty heads.
........chileastro.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

I wonder if we'll ever hear from him again.


Where's the Science in that comment?
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (15) May 13, 2016
Keep that in mind when reading cd45's prose.
With each new batch of observational data and analysis showing how it matches predictions, his shtick is quick becoming, "that glass full of hydroxide ions surrounded by protons isn't wet, it's cool refreshing electric plasma."

@cantdrive85, how big would you say is the laboratory where the MMS scientists get their data from?
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (22) May 13, 2016
Ah yes, more about pseudoscience...

"Magnetic reconnection is pseudoscience" Hannes Alfvèn
- CD
I don't think that HanAlf was correct in that regard IF he actually said so. I will have to read the article again to get the full gist of it.
I especially like the "boomerang effect" where "the electrons shot away in straight lines from the original event at hundreds of miles per second, crossing the magnetic boundaries that would normally deflect them. Once across the boundary, the particles curved back around in response to the new magnetic fields they encountered, making a U-turn."
That's fascinating - electrons exhibiting an attraction for the new e/m field, enough to return to it no matter the distance.
But there must be a "point of no return" that the electrons will cross if they continue on, unless the attraction of a magnetic field is present to stop the electron from continuing its trajectory onward.
At what distance would that point be?
obama_socks
2 / 5 (23) May 13, 2016
Keep that in mind when reading cd45's prose.
With each new batch of observational data and analysis(...)

@cantdrive85, how big would you say is the laboratory where the MMS scientists get their data from?
- protoplasmix
How about as big as the Solar System, Will that suffice?
:)
obama_socks
2 / 5 (23) May 13, 2016
Get the popcorn ready guys
.......for Schneibo & Chileastro as they cheer on for the "beatings" of those who disagree with the membership of those in their Rant Brigade.

I have a recurring dream where I'm in a bar and overhear someone saying something that identifies them as one of the regular trolls, like benni, and I follow them out into a dark alley and beat some respect into their empty heads.
........chileastro.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

I wonder if we'll ever hear from him again.


Where's the Science in that comment?
- WhydG
Have you ever noticed how Stumpy, Otto and Ira hang out in Science threads, but NEVER offer any contribution related to the article's science topic, while DEMANDING verification for all inferred knowledge of same? Have you mentioned that fact to those 3 and questioned them about it? No?
By the same token, where's the Science in YOUR above comment?
:))
jonesdave
4.2 / 5 (15) May 13, 2016
"Cassini in situ observations of long-duration magnetic reconnection in Saturn's magnetotail"
Arridge, et al. 2016
http://www.nature...565.html

Perhaps our resident unpublished know nothings could work their way through that, and then tell us why these experienced and well qualified plasma physicists have got it all wrong. In scientific terms. Not "a long dead scientist, who didn't have access to the data we have now, says it is impossible."
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (20) May 13, 2016
Where's the Science in that comment?

- WhydG
...
By the same token, where's the Science in YOUR above comment?:)

Third word in - capitalized, even... :-)
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (21) May 13, 2016
Ah yes, more about pseudoscience...

"Magnetic reconnection is pseudoscience" Hannes Alfvèn


Died 20 years ago. Try keeping up. Some of his former students are studying magnetic reconnection as we speak. And have found it to be happening. So it doesn't really matter what somebody who died 2 decades ago actually thought. Does it?


Ah yes, more about pseudoscience...

"Magnetic reconnection is pseudoscience" Hannes Alfvèn

So observation is "pseudoscience".
Keep that in mind when reading cd45's prose.


With each new batch of observational data and analysis


Whoosh!

That's the sound of Alfven's argument flying right past your heads...
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (21) May 13, 2016
Clarke's First Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

If this is directed toward Alfven's comment, then your post is a non sequitor. Alfven's claim that MR is pseudoscience due to the physics used to describe the phenomena, not whether or not a physical interaction occurs. These pseudoscientists working on MR are trying to "re-invent the wheel" that Alfven worked out 70+ years ago.
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (20) May 13, 2016
- CD
I don't think that HanAlf was correct in that regard IF he actually said so.

He did say it, in peer-reviewed papers. And given the history of Alfven, he is likely also correct.
https://inis.iaea...18060222
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (20) May 13, 2016
With each new batch of observational data and analysis showing how it matches predictions

I've got a request for anyone, please show me in the scientific literature where they predicted electric fields, potential drop, and the electric currents that arose that "matched predictions". These are specifically the type of phenomena Alfven discovered decades ago.

"The basic phenomena under study in this chapter is illustrated in Figure 5.1 . Electrons and ion's counter flow with velocities veo and vp,respectively, or with a relative drift velocity Vo = v eo + vio . Because of this counter flow, an instability or instabilities are set up within the current . The net result is a reconfiguration of the current carrying charges over a narrow region so as to cause a potential drop. Because of the potential drop a beam of electrons with instantaneous velocity v, b is accelerated to the right while a beam of ions with instantaneous velocity v _b is accelerated to the left."
Benni
2.5 / 5 (24) May 13, 2016
Get the popcorn ready guys
.......for Schneibo & Chileastro as they cheer on for the "beatings" of those who disagree with the membership of those in their Rant Brigade.


I have a recurring dream where I'm in a bar and overhear someone saying something that identifies them as one of the regular trolls, like benni, and I follow them out into a dark alley and beat some respect into their empty heads.
........chileastro.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

I wonder if we'll ever hear from him again.


Where's the Science in that comment?


I wondered the same thing when Chileastro posted it & Schneibo gave it a 5 Star vote. No tolerance for diversity of opinion from those two , and no "science" involved in "beatings" is there?

Hey there, Schneibo,.....You still all in for those "beatings" you voted for? Any hope from you for a change of heart or would you cast a vote for even more "beatings"?
bschott
2 / 5 (25) May 13, 2016
Equally interesting, but with much less media attention, is the interactive relationship between the magnetic fields of sun > earth > living beings, in the context of physical and mental health.


As you can see by the voting, suggesting to people who already don't understand how things work that they also work on a deeper level... is futile here. But personally I found your comment a breath of fresh air.
chileastro
3.3 / 5 (26) May 13, 2016
physman5 /5 (8) 19 hours ago
Get the popcorn ready guys


I wish I could find watching science beset by all manner of logic challenged megalomaniacs funny. I know Benni just comes on to indulge S&M fantasies with me and DS. Oh, maybe if I indulge the POS it'll go away for a while satisfied.

OK. Re: the original post
That MIGHT be entertaining if we stuffed a pound of popcorn up the tin foil brigades arses and then beamed microwaves at them!

(Case in point, tin foil wing captain benni and corporal BS, that my "tortures" aren't actually do-able. Which makes rather a large difference to real people. Not you, of course. Just sayin'. To those that aren't emotionally stunted, such as yourselves, that communicates, "you make me feel..." and is a part of normal social interaction. Lacking any of that, you have to turn it into something ego defining. Like you do everything...that you don't ignore.)
AGreatWhopper
3.2 / 5 (26) May 13, 2016
bschott2.3 /5 (3) 13 minutes ago

As you can see by the voting, suggesting to people who already don't understand how things work that they also work on a deeper level... is futile here. But personally I found your comment a breath of fresh air.


I agree! If you don't already believe in hidden magic, it makes no sense. Spot on. Now, go to your favorite wicca site or any other religious blather site, and you can all commiserate about it. If you're atheist, there're all manner of crystal healing, anti-GMO, EM scare, etc. sites. Here, you're a fetid onerous great green gangrenous donkey dong with no self-respect or common courtesy.

Try explaining that to the losers that waste our time and bandwidth.
Guy_Underbridge
3.2 / 5 (17) May 13, 2016
What do you have against fetid onerous great green gangrenous donkey dongs with no self-respect or common courtesy? (although 'no common courtesy' is decidedly a relative term)
bschott
2.1 / 5 (22) May 13, 2016
I agree! If you don't already believe in hidden magic, it makes no sense. Spot on. Now, go to your favorite wicca site or any other religious blather site, and you can all commiserate about it. If you're atheist, there're all manner of crystal healing, anti-GMO, EM scare, etc. sites. Here, you're a fetid onerous great green gangrenous donkey dong with no self-respect or common courtesy.


Looks like someones about to cry himself to sleep now that the tantrum is done, observe the science oozing from the above post. What else can one expect from someone who's handle is named after fast food. I have plenty of self respect miss, but none for hate riddled idiots who are so mentally deficient that their role in a comment thread is to attempt to play bodyguard for the majority consensus because that's all they have left.

I'd ask what it's like to be as pathetic as you, but you might actually answer....then I'd have to read it without laughing at you...like i already am.
Benni
2.4 / 5 (25) May 13, 2016
I wish I could find watching science beset by all manner of logic challenged megalomaniacs funny. I know Benni just comes on to indulge S&M fantasies with me and DS.,,,,,,,and is a part of normal social interaction.


I have a recurring dream where I'm in a bar and overhear someone saying something that identifies them as one of the regular trolls, like benni, and I follow them out into a dark alley and beat some respect into their empty heads.


So you & Schneibo think your above post is "normal social interaction"? I wonder if Galileo thought that when the Pope ordered him to be placed under house arrest while at the same time his Court of Cardinals wanted him executed? The only thing that saved Galileo from the Rants of the Court of Cardinals was the fact that Galileo recanted his claim that the Earth was not the center of the Universe.

What differentiates your Rants from that of the Court of Cardinals? Or Schneibo's 5 Star upvote for your Rant?

Phys1
4.3 / 5 (17) May 13, 2016
Ah yes, more about pseudoscience...

"Magnetic reconnection is pseudoscience" Hannes Alfvèn

So observation is "pseudoscience".
Keep that in mind when reading cd45's prose.


With each new batch of observational data and analysis


Whoosh!

That's the sound of Alfven's argument flying right past your heads...

A space mission will collect new data on magnetic fields in the solar system.
You call that |pseudoscience". That could be termed negativism, as opposed to positvism.
Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (22) May 13, 2016
Worth noting that no argument that ignores the evidence will ever succeed.

If Hannes Alfven said magnetic reconnection is pseudoscience, he was wrong according to the evidence. A group of four satellites has flown through reconnection events between the Sun's and Earth's magnetic fields five times now. That's evidence, it's hard evidence, and the issue is now decided. No argument can change that.
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (21) May 13, 2016
Both of you are still confusing the issue, this has nothing to do with the data nor evidence. It is about the interpretation and how they revert to "moving field lines" and "breaking and reconnecting field lines" and other such pseudoscientific clap trap. Yes, an event was observed and the hard evidence they found confirms Alfvén's predictions of the phenomenon. The blurb I posted was written at least 25 years ago, and it describes the event to a T. I reread chapter 5 in Peratt's book 'The Physics of the Plasma Universe' discussing double layers, the description above matched just what was explained in chapter 5. Look it up, mysteries don't remain so mysterious when the proper physics are considered.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.4 / 5 (20) May 13, 2016
Keep that in mind when reading cd45's prose.
With each new batch of observational data and analysis(...)

@cantdrive85, how big would you say is the laboratory where the MMS scientists get their data from?
- protoplasmix
How about as big as the Solar System, Will that suffice?
:)
Hey pussytard this reminds me of the time when you suggested that it was a good thing the solar system was large enough to hold all the planets.
Have you ever noticed how Stumpy, Otto and Ira hang out in Science threads, but NEVER offer any contribution related to the article's science topic, while DEMANDING verification for all inferred knowledge of same?
-But simply negating your obvious inanity has in itself a positive effect.
Phys1
4.2 / 5 (15) May 13, 2016
The title of the PO article should be changed btw.
Magnetic fields do not interact, currents and charges do.
bschott
2 / 5 (23) May 13, 2016
The title of the PO article should be changed btw.
Magnetic fields do not interact, currents and charges do.


Oh oh....we have new winner!! This one is even better the one about stars and magnetic fields.

Go try to push two positive ends of two bar magnets together, when you experience resistance, measure the area in between with a voltmeter to check for current. Of course magnetic fields interact, what the hell is wrong with you?

Or go watch Feymann bang his hand on the desk...whatever.
Benni
2.2 / 5 (26) May 13, 2016
Worth noting that no argument that ignores the evidence will ever succeed.
..........that's for sure, including the evidence that you 5 Star upvote musings of physical violence against those who disagree with your Funny Farm Pseudo-Sciences.

Schneibo, you keep dredging around looking for friends, odd isn't it, how the likes of Chileastro are what instantly captures your attention?

chileastro
March 29, 2016, 9:46 am 4 Benni <1> Da Schneib <5> jim_xanara<5> antigoresockpuppet<5>

So Schneib, let's do this math: Four votes....... 1+5+5+5=16/4=4

.......and you want the forum to believe the drivel you just posted right above this, that you're here for the science? But consenting to violence against Posters with whom you disagree. So tell us, what really does this make you?


Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (20) May 13, 2016
The title of the PO article should be changed btw.
Magnetic fields do not interact, currents and charges do.
Actually you can look at it either way that happens to be convenient. Although the currents and charges way works if you add propagation delay, the magnetic field way works too. It's just a change of reference frame, nothing more.
chileastro
3.3 / 5 (26) May 13, 2016
Gawd. BS is pathetic.
Phys1
4.2 / 5 (19) May 13, 2016
The title of the PO article should be changed btw.
Magnetic fields do not interact, currents and charges do.


Oh oh....we have new winner!! This one is even better the one about stars and magnetic fields.

Go try to push two positive ends of two bar magnets together, when you experience resistance, measure the area in between with a voltmeter to check for current. Of course magnetic fields interact, what the hell is wrong with you?

Or go watch Feymann bang his hand on the desk...whatever.

Who's Feymann ?
You are tragic, bs.
You proudly refuse to learn anything.
This is why you are so totally ignorant.
AGreatWhopper
3.1 / 5 (25) May 13, 2016
bullshit and bunni will never understand that their content isn't the issue (although it's bollocks) it's that they have

a) the subtly of a randy chihuahua humping your leg,
b) the human warmth of a service station chip, and
c) the insight of an agony aunt.

Gee. I wonder why they get downvoted.
Phys1
4.3 / 5 (16) May 13, 2016
The title of the PO article should be changed btw.
Magnetic fields do not interact, currents and charges do.
Actually you can look at it either way that happens to be convenient. Although the currents and charges way works if you add propagation delay, the magnetic field way works too. It's just a change of reference frame, nothing more.

EM fields are solutions of the Maxwell equations.
As the Maxwell equations are linear, EM fields do not interact. Instead they superpose.
There is only one way to look at this.
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (20) May 13, 2016
Sigh, I'm not doing this again, @Phys.

Look, you can either talk about charges and currents, e.g. quantum physics, e.g. the unified EM field, or you can talk about Maxwell, in which case you're talking about separate E and B fields. Make up your mind. Either way works, you'll get the same results.

Do you really want to argue with me again about whether magnetism is just the effect of the propagation delay of the EM field?
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (19) May 13, 2016
I talk about this so often, I happen to have it on file:

Magnetism is a relativistic correction to the action of the electrostatic field. It therefore acts in opposition to the electric field, and at right angles to the motion of the object subject to the correction. A good example is: Suppose two electrons are moving by your position as an observer. Suppose they are moving quite slowly. Their electrostatic fields will act upon each other, pushing them apart. This action will take place at a certain rate; the electrons will be accelerated away from one another. Now suppose that they are moving at relativistic velocities. The electrons will experience time dilation (from the point of view of an observer). This will cause them to accelerate more slowly.

[contd]
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (20) May 13, 2016
[contd]
If you ignore relativity, then you will conclude that there is some extra force opposing the electric force; this force acts at right angles to their motion, and oppositely to the electric force. We call this force, "magnetism." Magnetism acts orthogonally to the motion of an electric charge, oppositely to the direction of the electric force. Magnetism only acts on moving charges; without motion, there's no relativistic effect.

We ordinarily encounter magnetism in permanent magnets. The situation here is, the electrons in the atoms in the permanent magnet revolve (in quantum fashion) around the nuclei of the atoms, and this revolution is the moving charge that generates the magnetic field; as always, perpendicular to the motion, so it emerges perpendicular to the rotation.
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (24) May 13, 2016
What do you have against fetid onerous great green gangrenous donkey dongs with no self-respect or common courtesy? (although 'no common courtesy' is decidedly a relative term)

G_Underdabridge
I would give you a ONE on your rating for that silly bit of fluff but I KNOW that your posse will come at some point to give you all FIVES....which would make no sense, as your post has nothing to do with Science whatsoever.
"great green gangrenous donkey dongs", eh? Is that what comprises the minds of Australians these days?
Benni
2.5 / 5 (24) May 13, 2016
Gawd. BS is pathetic.


puleeeeze,,,,,,don't tell us. you're having more recurring dreams?
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (24) May 13, 2016
physman5 /5 (8) 19 hours ago
Get the popcorn ready guys


I wish I could find watching science beset by all manner of logic challenged megalomaniacs funny. I know Benni just comes on to indulge S&M fantasies with me and DS. Oh, maybe if I indulge the POS it'll go away for a while satisfied.

OK. Re: the original post
That MIGHT be entertaining if we stuffed a pound of popcorn up the tin foil brigades arses
- chileastro

S&M fantasies, eh? I have looked all over this thread, as well as in other threads to find any possible reference from Benni wrt S&M and, cannot find it anywhere.
From the results of my search, I have come to the conclusion that it is YOU, chileasstro, who has such thoughts in the back of your mind regarding Benni. Have you considered some psychological interpretations as to your obvious mental proclivity toward S&M? You know, it's been said that the internet reveals a lot of what a man is thinking and proposes to do. Psychology101
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (24) May 13, 2016
bullshit and bunni will never understand that their content isn't the issue (although it's bollocks) it's that they have

a) the subtly of a randy chihuahua humping your leg,
b) the human warmth of a service station chip, and
c) the insight of an agony aunt.

Gee. I wonder why they get downvoted.
- AGreatWhopper
The above items are another great example of what passes for science in the minds of such as AGWhopper, and others in his/her posse of fiends. Future readers of these posts outside of Phys.org will exult in the knowledge that even "science" websites such as Physorg are of no better quality than the tabloids with sensationalism as its motto wrt such as these comments.
Pure drivel with nothing to do with the content of article.
Benni
2.4 / 5 (25) May 13, 2016
I wish I could find watching science beset by all manner of logic challenged megalomaniacs funny. I know Benni just comes on to indulge S&M fantasies with me and DS. Oh, maybe if I indulge the POS it'll go away for a while satisfied.

OK. Re: the original post
That MIGHT be entertaining if we stuffed a pound of popcorn up the tin foil brigades arse


.......so far your entire posting career here on PO has involved a mindset revolving around fantasies of violent behavior, for which the likes of Schneibo has once again given you another 5 Star upvote within this new topic of discussion.

I have a serious question for you: Do you know how to solve Differential Equations? ...............I ask because I've yet to see evidence in your postings that you have any math skills whatsoever. Oh, and by the way, yes, I know how to solve DEs without the need for an online calculator.
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (16) May 13, 2016
With each new batch of observational data and analysis showing how it matches predictions
I've got a request for anyone, please show me in the scientific literature where they predicted electric fields, potential drop, and the electric currents that arose that "matched predictions".
CD85, I was referring to the article. It's a rather good article, you should give it a read.

From the article: "By watching these electron tracers, MMS made the first observation of the predicted breaking and interconnection of magnetic fields in space."
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (26) May 13, 2016
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TO WHIT:
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• Stay on topic: Acceptable comments include those that add to the discussion in a meaningful and thought-provoking manner or provide an intelligent counterpoint to our articles.

Be civil: Please respond insightfully and respectfully, avoiding personal attacks and name calling. Do not make comments that are threatening, obscene, profane, contain hate speech or degrade others. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (21) May 13, 2016
CD85, I was referring to the article. It's a rather good article, you should give it a read.

From the article: "By watching these electron tracers, MMS made the first observation of the predicted breaking and interconnection of magnetic fields in space."

Yep, that's how they interpret it but just remember they're interpretation is based upon pseudoscientific concepts such as moving and breaking field lines.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (18) May 13, 2016
The title of the PO article should be changed btw.
Magnetic fields do not interact, currents and charges do.

Interesting statement, Phys. But where does the charge come from?
It's been my thought that mag fields interact (maybe even a field within just itself), creating a charge and then joining it. The result providing the visible interacting properties.
Could be just a misunderstanding of definitions on my part...
Protoplasmix
4.4 / 5 (20) May 13, 2016
o-socks, your intolerable personal attack on Otto is indirect and disrespectful, and threatening him with loss of freedom of expression here is obscene and hateful, and your accusation of abuse is defamatory and degrading. Your house – it's made of glass, o-socks. Whitless wonder.
vidyunmaya
1 / 5 (16) May 13, 2016
sub; magnetic Reconnectionl- space -time-Energy- orderly index needed.
Space baby-first steps. Be aware NASA is watching to catch up with Nature and philosophy. Don't say mummy and Tummy ! How do you grow against gravity ?Bio-energy plasma is on onset-mode see plasma vision of the Universe 1993 and more information in -THE VISION OF COSMIC TO *PREM UNIVERSE-1995 (Reg No: TXU 893693 )*PREM: Plasma Regulated Electro-Magnetic Universe.Books available at LULU
ESA has 4 satellites tracking since 2000. I sent 3 proposals - see books 2010.
there appears to be dogmas prevailing among scientists- without objectivity.15 Books at LULU. http://www.lulu.c...jnani108
Maggnus
4.8 / 5 (18) May 14, 2016
CD85, I was referring to the article. It's a rather good article, you should give it a read.

From the article: "By watching these electron tracers, MMS made the first observation of the predicted breaking and interconnection of magnetic fields in space."

Yep, that's how they interpret it but just remember they're interpretation is based upon pseudoscientific concepts such as moving and breaking field lines.

NAH NAH NAH NAH I WON'T SEE, YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!

Pretty much par for the course for this pretender and EU acolyte.
Phys1
4.1 / 5 (17) May 14, 2016
Their electrostatic fields will act upon each other, pushing them apart.

No, the two electrons will push each other apart. The force that one electron exerts on the other, defines its field. An EM field can not not experience a force from another EM on a field as it carries no charge.
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Phys1
4.1 / 5 (14) May 14, 2016
@Da Schneib
What you _can_ say is that when fields are superposed, then this increases the field energy. Such a description is quantitatively equivalent to using the Lorentz force.
Phys1
4.2 / 5 (19) May 14, 2016
@o_pervert
I also reject name calling is but your alias is an insult to Obama, who is generally respected except by Tea Party nutters.
So what should the rest of the world call you?
obama_socks
2 / 5 (27) May 14, 2016
Your seeming worship of Barack Obama as "leader of the once-free world" is astonishing, but not surprising. Perhaps you won't mind entering a ladies' bathroom (IF you were born female) and finding some burly men dressed in women's clothes doing their business in one of the stalls while making certain "noises". I doubt that you would be nonplussed over it - lacking sensitivity to such things. OR if you are male and you walk into the men's bathroom to take a leak, and you find a transgender in there who thinks that she is a man, perhaps you will just walk right up to the urinal with your usual aplomb, whip out your junk, and then give it a shake for good measure in front of the tranny, who would be eyeing you closely, in case you have objections to his/her presence.
Yes, Obama has done some wonders to America: flood of illegals & more immigrants to come; more unemployment; less jobs; Obamacare - remember "if you like your doctor, you can keep...", which turns out to be a lie.
obama_socks
2 / 5 (27) May 14, 2016
(cont'd)
Oh an how about the news that the White House Obama speech writers who were interviewed by Charlie Rose regarding the speeches that they wrote for Obama to use in his presentations were all bogus and full of lies to FOOL the American public. I will look for that interview transcript for you. And how about the new female Air Force General who is in charge of combat operations, but who has never flown a jet plane in a combat situation herself? Add to that the fact that under the Obama Regime, the quality of Education in the US has sunk through the floor where American schoolchildren almost consistently get failing grades, except for Asians and Jewish children, whose parents push their children to excel and take advantage of free education.
And how about Obama's threat to remove gov funding to States who refuse to comply with his transgender bathroom & locker room mandate in public schools. There are others.
Your hero worship of Obama's failure as a world leader is strange
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (25) May 14, 2016
(cont'd)
@Pissypants1
Your list of pariahs, trolls, etc. should include your own nickname. Your attempts at science discussions are laughable, as I have, on a number of occasions looked up your "claims" and found errors after which even DaSchneibo was exasperated with you.
Perhaps you haven't heard the news, but Barack Hussein Obama is the LEAST respected president ever in the history of the US, even including the hated Richard Nixon and the ineffectual Jimmy Carter. The vast majority of Americans of voting age have woken up and now know that voting for Obama was a huge mistake. He increases the nation's debt on a weekly basis.
I would hate to have to rely on you to make a decision that would affect the entire world. There are some who are expecting that Obama will declare "martial law" sometime this year if Trump is elected in November. YOU will be at fault for that if it occurs.
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obama_socks
2 / 5 (25) May 14, 2016
shavera
4.8 / 5 (19) May 14, 2016
Da Schneib: Re: Magnetism/EM: The more straightforward approach to what you're saying is to use the Electromagnetic Field Tensor description. Essentially, you have a rank-2 tensor (a matrix) that has *components* that represent the Maxwellian Electric and Magnetic fields. Lorentz transforms of the EFT are sufficient to show that there isn't *really* either an electric or a magnetic field, but one electromagnetic field with components that behave like the classical description. Propagation delay alone is insufficient to retrieve full electromagnetic effects.

However, while Phys1 is technically correct, it's a rather pedantic point. Yes, only the charged particles in relative motion see effects from magnetic fields in superposition. The field doesn't *technically* self-interact. But you can treat the maths as such in this case, and it predicts valid outcomes of experiments, so it's a *useful* description of reality, even if a bit fictitious.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (16) May 14, 2016
@shavera, basically, the idea is that you can use Coulomb's Law and relativistic effects to obtain magnetism; I have seen arguments both for and against this. I have seen claims that Jackson says it is impossible in his first edition, but that the argument is absent from later editions; I have also seen claims that this is a derivation done in undergraduate textbooks for pedagogical purposes. I certainly agree that propagation delay alone is insufficient, but I'm not sure that it's not enough given Coulomb's Law.

I have no doubt that only charged particles in motion will see magnetic effects; this is, after all, implicit in this explanation. It's also consistent with the fact that only moving magnetic fields can generate currents, and only moving currents interact with static magnetic fields.

[contd]
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (16) May 14, 2016
[contd]
This was rather aside from my point, which is that you can use either the separated forms of the electric and magnetic forces a la Maxwell, or the single unified field approach a la Dirac, and get the same answers, and they're equally valid, and it seems to me that you are agreeing with this point. I do admit to making or at least encouraging the digression myself.

I have also discovered a flaw in the wording of my file piece, and will correct it immediately: see my reply to @Phys1 shortly. This may clear up some of the confusion.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (16) May 14, 2016
Their electrostatic fields will act upon each other, pushing them apart.
No, the two electrons will push each other apart. The force that one electron exerts on the other, defines its field. An EM field can not not experience a force from another EM on a field as it carries no charge.
This was badly worded on my part; it can be interpreted as a claim that the electrostatic fields act on each other, whereas my intent was to claim that the electrostatic fields of each particle act on the charge of the other particle, pretty much the same thing you're saying.

@Da Schneib
What you _can_ say is that when fields are superposed, then this increases the field energy. Such a description is quantitatively equivalent to using the Lorentz force.
Yes, I agree with this; there is one EM field at one point in space and it is the summation of all the EM fields from various sources that impinge on that point.
Protoplasmix
4.8 / 5 (18) May 14, 2016
your shrill invective toward my reporting
When the truth sounds like a "shrill invective" you're hearing the screech from all that hypocrisy between your ears.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (18) May 14, 2016
Add to that the fact that under the Obama Regime, the quality of Education in the US has sunk through the floor where American schoolchildren almost consistently get failing grades, except for Asians and Jewish children, whose parents push their children to excel and take advantage of free education.

Which begs the question - why aren't parents of those "American schoolchildren" pushing their kids to take advantage of that same free education and excel?
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (20) May 14, 2016
NAH NAH NAH NAH I WON'T SEE, YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!

Pretty much par for the course for this pretender and EU acolyte.

The most ridiculous irony is that when you do open your eyes wide enough to see, the above findings confirm the predictions of Alfvén and the exploding double layers. The electron/ion currents, the e-field, the explosiveness, it all confirms Alfvén's theory.
That doesn't stop the above lying pseudoscientists from declaring they predicted exactly what they saw, and as of yet no one has produced evidence to back up their lies. No one predicted electron beams, electric fields, circuitry (required to make all these phenomena to happen), potential drops, or any other accepted concepts of electrical engineering.

"In order to understand the phenomena in a certain plasma region, it is necessary to map not only the magnetic but also the electric field and the electric currents." Hannes Alfven

Astros prefer to ignore the electrical aspect completely.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (24) May 14, 2016
@o_pervert
I also reject name calling is but your alias is an insult to Obama, who is generally respected except by Tea Party nutters. So what should the rest of the world call you?


Your preposterous claim to "reject name calling" is belied by the opening address of your post, "pervert".

For what purpose do people like you, chileastro, schneibo, stumpo, etc, really come to a site about science & engage in unending references of name calling innuendo the heights of which extend into the deepest of perversions? You too gave chileastro a 5 Star on his S&M innuendo on me, so did schneibo along with a couple more of the usual suspects in the foul mouthed Rant Brigade.

Anyone who comes to a science & math site & opens up their postings with sexual innuendo like you & chileastro have shown proclivities for doing, are almost always the least read posts that Guest Readers of the Commentary show any interest in reading. In fact, it is to the Guest Readers I write this.
Maggnus
5 / 5 (17) May 14, 2016
The most ridiculous irony is that when you do open your eyes wide enough to see, the above findings confirm the predictions of Alfvén and the exploding double layers. The electron/ion currents, the e-field, the explosiveness, it all confirms Alfvén's theory.
Except, it doesn't. If you could look past your bias and belief, you would see that.

Tell you what, let's play your game for a minute. Lay out the predictions, and then lay out how this series of OBSERVATIONS "confirms" those predictions.

Be specific Acolyte! Can you look past your belief long enough to do that?
Maggnus
4.8 / 5 (18) May 14, 2016
That doesn't stop the above lying pseudoscientists from declaring they predicted exactly what they saw, and as of yet no one has produced evidence to back up their lies. No one predicted electron beams, electric fields, circuitry (required to make all these phenomena to happen), potential drops, or any other accepted concepts of electrical engineering.
Only an Acolyte of the First Order could make such a ridiculous and clearly incorrect comment. Tell me Acolyte, have you ever heard of Maxwell? Tesla? How about DeBye? Langmuir?

What an absolute fraud.

"In order to understand the phenomena in a certain plasma region, it is necessary to map not only the magnetic but also the electric field and the electric currents." Hannes Alfven

Astros prefer to ignore the electrical aspect completely.
Bull. Shit. The statement of an Acolyte, not a scientist.
Maggnus
4.8 / 5 (18) May 14, 2016
The magnetic fields of Earth and Sun are connected mutually both with space-time AROUND Earth and Sun (which is what the above article disputes) but also by dual space-time BENEATH their surfaces. Which means not only, when the climate at the Sun changes, then the climate of Earth atmosphere changes too, but also when something happens beneath the surface of Sun, it has effect in Earth interior too - and this is http://www.thesun...hquakes/ on solar magnetic cycle. Which is surprising, because with respect to mass of Sun the Earth represents just a speckle of dust (the mass of Earth is 330.000-times lower, than the mass of Sun, not to say about ratio of their magnetic fields).

And water ducks on the pond of the solar surface ripple with laughter.
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (19) May 14, 2016
Tell you what, let's play your game for a minute. Lay out the predictions, and then lay out how this series of OBSERVATIONS "confirms" those predictions.

Already did, I'll repeat.
"The basic phenomena under study in this chapter is illustrated in Figure 5.1. Electrons and ion's counter flow with velocities veo and vp,respectively, or with a relative drift velocity Vo = v eo + vio. Because of this counter flow, an instability or instabilities are set up within the current.The net result is a reconfiguration of the current carrying charges over a narrow region so as to cause a potential drop. Because of the potential drop a beam of electrons with instantaneous velocity v, b is accelerated to the right while a beam of ions with instantaneous velocity v _b is accelerated to the left."
What do you know, one paragraph that includes the expected currents, e-field, reconfiguration of fields, and the electron beams.
Still waiting to see these predictions from the MR pseudoscientists
obama_socks
2 / 5 (23) May 14, 2016
your shrill invective toward my reporting
When the truth sounds like a "shrill invective" you're hearing the screech from all that hypocrisy between your ears.
- protoplasmix
Non Sequitur.That is merely YOUR hypocritical opinion of the content of truth, and you are entitled to err as you wish with as many inane postings as it is possible for you to render in a Science site. I see that you have received more FIVES from Otto's sock puppetry. As you haven't EARNED those FIVES and very seldom do, it can only mean that you (and some others) are "bought and paid for" to go to bat to redeem Otto and his sock puppets and, in return for your favors, are rewarded with high mark ratings. For this reason, the ratings system is a joke and is of no value whatsoever.
Your attempt at muzzling my comments is proven to be an epic failure. You are more in tune with a prim and proper Ladies' Church Society than with a website based on scientific research. Get thee to a nunnery.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (21) May 14, 2016
Add to that the fact that under the Obama Regime, the quality of Education in the US has sunk through the floor where American schoolchildren almost consistently get failing grades, except for Asians and Jewish children, whose parents push their children to excel and take advantage of free education.

Which begs the question - why aren't parents of those "American schoolchildren" pushing their kids to take advantage of that same free education and excel?
- WhydG
Excellent question. Perhaps it is due to how the majority of American parents and grandparents were inculcated with a nonsense culture in their own growing years who, for the most part, were too wrapped up in that culture of Hollywood make-believe that exemplifies the internal rotting away of "American values" and its once accompanying morality. This complacency and misdirected more's is not lost on the generations of American children whose own sense of value for excellence is also rotting away.
RealityCheck
2.2 / 5 (26) May 14, 2016
Hi obama_socks. :)

Mate, with respect (really), starting in Reagan years, US has been going to pot. The Cold War gave 'cover', to the Capitalist-Industrial-Military Complex and its wealthy co-conspirators and profiteers, for robbing wealth/opportunity from US nation and its people. Consider also that it was the mercenary/unfettered capitalist 'ethos' of 'profit at all costs' that ruined the US economy/industry/society to start with. They 'offshored wealth, industries, and millions of jobs went with it. Only since Obama has that 'offshoring' trend started to reverse. The other problem has been that, every time the Democrats tried to get things back on track for society, the Republicans/Tea-Party crazies (just like the Liberal National crazies here in OZ) opposed/sabotaged 'bi-partisanship' approach to problems. They are anti-science, anti-education, anti-social measures (but when capitalism/market goes tits-up, they run to socialist govt for social support). More 'balance'. :)
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.5 / 5 (22) May 14, 2016
ok here it is the big lie
ok pussytard aka pussycat_eyes et al, here are a few bigger lies

"Nope...I have never denied being an Engineer. I earn over a quarter million dollars per year on the job as an Engineer" "Caltech...my old alma mater" ............................. "Oh, by the way, I have created two new user names for commenting...I will miss using my Obama_socks name" [as of 022213]"

"Another one of my children won several international high school engineering competitions and is now working towards becoming a engineering...I myself have engineering degree and have several patents."

-Please Google for the source.

Lots of fun, wot? Like making your own 'kick me' sign?
ChiefFartingDog
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my2cts
3.7 / 5 (24) May 14, 2016
@o_pervert

Excellent question. Perhaps ...

In other words, you are guessing the whole time.
Well let me guess too. I guess you are totally wrong and misguided.
my2cts
3.8 / 5 (24) May 14, 2016
Your preposterous claim to "reject name calling" is belied by the opening address of your post, "pervert".

Since o_pervert's self chosen alias is in itself name calling, I had to find an alternative that was recognizable ("o_") and did justice to o_pervert. Since he had just directed perverse statements to me, I chose "o_pervert".
An excellent choice.
ChiefFartingDog
May 14, 2016
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obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (20) May 14, 2016
Your preposterous claim to "reject name calling" is belied by the opening address of your post, "pervert".

Since o_pervert's self chosen alias is in itself name calling, I had to find an alternative that was recognizable ("o_") and did justice to o_pervert. Since he had just directed perverse statements to me, I chose "o_pervert".
An excellent choice.
- Pissypants1
LOL What is it with you and Obama? Are you meeting old Barack in the Rose Garden after Mooshelle has gone to bed, by any chance?
Benni
2.6 / 5 (23) May 14, 2016
Your preposterous claim to "reject name calling" is belied by the opening address of your post, "pervert".

Since o_pervert's self chosen alias is in itself name calling, I had to find an alternative that was recognizable ("o_") and did justice to o_pervert. Since he had just directed perverse statements to me, I chose "o_pervert".
An excellent choice.

Everyone take note: Phys1 & my2cts are the same, frankly admitted & frankly acknowledged.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (20) May 14, 2016
Hi obama_socks. :)

Mate, with respect (really), starting in Reagan years, US has been going to pot. The Cold War gave 'cover', to the Capitalist-Industrial-Military Complex and its wealthy co-conspirators and profiteers, for robbing wealth/opportunity from US nation and its people. Consider also that it was the mercenary/unfettered capitalist 'ethos' of 'profit at all costs' that ruined the US economy/industry/society to start with. They 'offshored wealth, industries, and millions of jobs went with it.
- RC
Sorry but that is incorrect. Under Reagan, the US economy was growing and jobs were plentiful. The downturn began with Bill Clinton and got worse with GWBush, who had inherited Clinton's legacy. But the economy was going South anyway because of the high ideals of Liberal/Socialism of "Tax and Spend" with no letup.
The US has never had a truly Capitalist economic system. We have had "CRONY Capitalism" and that is a HUGE difference over true Capitalism.
(cont'd)
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (19) May 14, 2016
(cont'd)
Hello RC
Only since Obama has that 'offshoring' trend started to reverse. The other problem has been that, every time the Democrats tried to get things back on track for society, the Republicans/Tea-Party crazies (just like the Liberal National crazies here in OZ) opposed/sabotaged 'bi-partisanship' approach to problems. They are anti-science, anti-education, anti-social measures (but when capitalism/market goes tits-up, they run to socialist govt for social support). More 'balance'. :)

@RC
Capital is the money in your wallet, savings and checking account, any property you own, and your steady employment. THAT is Capital. Anything else is fleeting and may be considered potential wealth or potential Capital.
(cont'd)
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (19) May 14, 2016
(cont'd)
@RC
WRT Obama, he hasn't reversed anything. He has only made it possible for the US to be in greater debt to China and other nations after he drove our wealth out of the country that is in the form of JOBS. Too many and higher taxes, too many rules & regulations, and American Unions also helped to get rid of job-providing American corporations with exorbitant Union demands. The Union bosses seemed to have forgotten about the Law of Supply and Demand. Because of that flaw, the jobs went overseas to where the cheaper labor keeps the corporations from going under and laying off ALL of their employees. Part of that Law tells you that no corporation is obligated to hire and pay a salary to anyone, UNLESS the jobs are created due to a high volume of demand for goods or services By the same token, if there is no or very little demand for those goods and services, the workers have to be let go. A firm can't continue to pay workers when no revenue is coming in. It's that simple.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (20) May 14, 2016
@o_pervert
I also reject name calling is but your alias is an insult to Obama, who is generally respected except by Tea Party nutters. So what should the rest of the world call you?


Your preposterous claim to "reject name calling" is belied by the opening address of your post, "pervert".

For what purpose do people like you, chileastro, schneibo, stumpo, etc, really come to a site about science & engage in unending references of name calling innuendo the heights of which extend into the deepest of perversions? You too gave chileastro a 5 Star on his S&M innuendo on me, so did schneibo along with a couple more of the usual suspects in the foul mouthed Rant Brigade.

(..)In fact, it is to the Guest Readers I write this.
- Benni
As I said in another thread, Otto and his puppet disguises, and all the rest of those you mentioned are not in Physorg to discuss science in a serious manner. They are here to make Physorg their PERSONAL PLAYGROUND & to stoke their egos
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (19) May 14, 2016
Just one question OS.
Why was there a budget surplus when the "bad" Clinton presidency ended?

After you answer that, then can we please return to the topic?
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (19) May 14, 2016
@o_pervert

Excellent question. Perhaps ...

In other words, you are guessing the whole time.
Well let me guess too. I guess you are totally wrong and misguided.
- Pissypants1
Still coming at me, eh? Should I be flattered or not?
My answer to WhydG's query still stands. I don't need to guess. As an American citizen, I understand full well the implications of Obama's desire to ruin the US and bring her to her knees to bring about a condition of pseudo-equality of nations led by the UN. IOW, to make the US as UNEXCEPTIONAL as possible. Obama can do it, and he IS and HAS been doing it. He is also screwing over all the Black Americans who voted for and believed in him.
And do you think that the Mexicans are going to stand for having to work and pay taxes so that the people on welfare & food stamps can live like easy riders? No way will they do that. And they pop out babies as fast as they can make tortilla chips.
Ever hear of "La Raza"? THAT'S America's future.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (18) May 14, 2016
Just one question OS.
Why was there a budget surplus when the "bad" Clinton presidency ended?

After you answer that, then can we please return to the topic?
- WhydG
The budget "surplus" was a fake. It was a bubble that had started to burst already when GWBush won the Presidency and had to take the heat for what Clinton did. Of course, the Liberals didn't place the blame on Clinton where it by rights should have been. They blamed Bush and were STILL blaming Bush even after 7 years of Obama's policies and mishandling.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (19) May 14, 2016
Your preposterous claim to "reject name calling" is belied by the opening address of your post, "pervert".

Since o_pervert's self chosen alias is in itself name calling, I had to find an alternative that was recognizable ("o_") and did justice to o_pervert. Since he had just directed perverse statements to me, I chose "o_pervert".
An excellent choice.
- Pissypants2 alias my2cts
Let me add more to that.
Woman - you are WEIRD. Are you aware of that?
LMAO
greenonions
4.6 / 5 (21) May 15, 2016
As a non scientist - I am awed by our technical ability to do things like send equipment up into space - to actually measure the behavior of particles such as electrons. Then the comments attack this amazing feat - by calling it pseudoscience - and others persistently devolve the comments section into partisan political bickering. What does transgender bathrooms have to do with this fascinating research? I can't yet engage in a discussion about the difference between magnetic fields interacting - vs particles interacting - but I am glad that others can - and I can look on - a little overwhelmed. Yes OS - I think that you (and MR166 on other threads) are correct. The U.S. culture seems to be rotting. As you point out - we need to value education (I would add - and science). Sad that you don't see your own part in promoting that rot.
Lex Talonis
5 / 5 (14) May 15, 2016
They didn't say if and how much pop corn each satellite can make during a peak event.

Gamma ray bursts beat microwaves any day.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (21) May 15, 2016
After you answer that, then can we please return to the topic?

Apparently, too much to ask...:-(
Benni
2.4 / 5 (23) May 15, 2016
What does transgender bathrooms have to do with this fascinating research?
......it doesn't Greeno, yet you are another one of those who gave Chileastro a 5 Star upvote for his S&M innuendo on me. So explain why you did that?

I can't yet engage in a discussion about the difference between magnetic fields interacting - vs particles interacting
........because like so many of the Commenting Experts above (Schneib, Shavera, Proto, etc), they simply do not understand that magnetic forces are simply ultra-low low frequency photons. The named have the same problem as your own self-admitted comprehension of the subject material.

It is not possible to engage in a rational scientific discussion with ranting EXPERT respondents whose comprehension of Special Relativity & the Mass/Energy Equivalence Principle is as shallow as those who give 5 Star upvotes to Chileastro for his advocacy of beatings on me in dark alleys as well as his S&M fantasies.

greenonions
4.6 / 5 (19) May 15, 2016
Benni
.it doesn't Greeno, yet you are another one of those who gave Chileastro a 5 Star upvote for his S&M innuendo on me. So explain why you did that?
Sure - I regard you as an arrogant - and destructive commenter on this board. You constantly put others down (example
The named have the same problem as your own self-admitted comprehension of the subject material.
) - and brag incessantly about your ability to do math. Any time I see your comments - they get a 1. There are other commenters who try to counter you bullshit - and I give them a 5. Feel free to return the favor. Any other questions?
cantdrive85
1.5 / 5 (17) May 15, 2016
As a non scientist - I am awed by our technical ability to do things like send equipment up into space - to actually measure the behavior of particles such as electrons. Then the comments attack this amazing feat - by calling it pseudoscience

The ability to make in situ measurements in space is an amazing feat and nowhere did I claim that was pseudoscience. I've been very clear the pseudoscience is due to the interpretation of the data, and the evidence clearly shows this to be the case. The simple fact of the matter is, field lines neither move nor break. Reverting to those physical parameters relegates this to pseudoscience.
greenonions
4.6 / 5 (20) May 15, 2016
I've been very clear the pseudoscience is due to the interpretation of the data, and the evidence clearly shows this to be the case.
First - the best people to interpret the data - are the ones who designed the experiment. Definitely not me. 2nd - if you seriously want to promote an alternative interpretation to the data - you can't do it on the comments section of a web site. Write your paper - take your knocks - and see if it stands up to the scrutiny of the science community - that is studying this stuff. Otherwise - you are clearly the one promoting pseudoscience. And I don't need to be able to do DE to have that understanding of process.
Benni
2.4 / 5 (23) May 15, 2016
Benn
i
...it doesn't Greeno, yet you are another one of those who gave Chileastro a 5 Star upvote for his S&M innuendo on me. So explain why you did that?


Sure - I regard you as an arrogant - and destructive commenter on this board.... You constantly put others down .... and brag incessantly about your ability to do math
.....yep, always in subsequent responses to those who launch the incessant foul name calling routines, who like Chileastro has proposed beatings on me in dark alleys & directed S&M fanatsies at me.

Any time I see your comments they get a 1. There are other commenters who try to counter you bullshit and I give them a 5. Any other questions?
Of course you give the Chileastros a 5 Star, it's the affinity you have with that sort of mindset, same for Schneibo, Proto, Shavera, etc.

Why do you have such an affinity for Chileastro's mindset for commiting violence against others in dark alleys in addition to his S&M fantasies?

greenonions
4.6 / 5 (20) May 15, 2016
Why do you have such an affinity for Chileastro's mindset for commiting violence against others in dark alleys
I just explained it to you - sorry you can't understand. Why not - instead of worrying so much about who votes for who - you just relax - and talk about the science - without all the childish bravado regarding math skills - and without needing to put other people down all the time? Can't do that - live with the ones you get from the people who see you and your posts as childish - and destructive to the process.
Protoplasmix
4.6 / 5 (18) May 15, 2016
...That doesn't stop the above lying pseudoscientists from declaring they predicted exactly what they saw, and as of yet no one has produced evidence to back up their lies. No one predicted electron beams, electric fields, circuitry,... potential drops, or any other accepted concepts of electrical engineering.

"In order to understand the phenomena in a certain plasma region, it is necessary to map not only the magnetic but also the electric field and the electric currents." Hannes Alfven

Astros prefer to ignore the electrical aspect completely
Wrong on all counts [Alfven quote is ok]. Evidence: Kinetic signatures of the region surrounding the X-line in asymmetric (magnetopause) reconnection

"Using 2-D PIC simulations, … The various types of crescent distributions have recently been observed by MMS in the vicinity of an X-line [Burch et al., 2016]" -- §6. Summary and Discussions, p. 8
Benni
2.4 / 5 (23) May 15, 2016
Why do you have such an affinity for Chileastro's mindset for commiting violence against others in dark alleys


I just explained it to you - sorry you can't understand.
OK, I get it .....the issue is about my math proficiency challenges to the likes of Chileastro who has S&M fantasies about me & proposes beatings on me in dark alleys.

You think the most abhorrent response I could make to Chileastro is to challenge his math skills in Differential Equations, that is far worse than anything he proposes about S&M fantasies & beatings on me in dark alleys.......and with all this openly transparent mindset he has for others you find such talk worthy of a 5 Star vote? Tell me that doesn't say a lot about yourself, as well as the rest of the Brigade that gave him a 5 Star vote.

You aren't here for "the science", you have a different need for being here that has nothing to do with science, it has all to do with why you give 5 Stars to Chileastro.

Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (18) May 15, 2016
@Benni
...they simply do not understand that magnetic forces are simply ultra-low low frequency photons...

At last. Something from you that piques my curiousity. Please explain how you arrived at this conclusion, further...
Uncle Ira
3.3 / 5 (36) May 15, 2016
@Benni
...they simply do not understand that magnetic forces are simply ultra-low low frequency photons...

At last. Something from you that piques my curiousity. Please explain how you arrived at this conclusion, further...


@ Whydening-Skippy. How you are today? Good catch on that. I got him on the ignore, but that is one I want to add to my "Silly Bennie-Skippy File". Thanks. Let me know if he gives some kind of answer to that one.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (19) May 15, 2016
"In order to understand the phenomena in a certain plasma region, it is necessary to map not only the magnetic but also the electric field and the electric currents." Hannes Alfven


Astros prefer to ignore the electrical aspect completely

Yeah, but...
If they ignored the electrical aspect, they wouldn't be able to SEE the magnetic...
It's how magnetic field aspects are inferred.
greenonions
4.6 / 5 (19) May 15, 2016
You aren't here for "the science", you have a different need for being here that has nothing to do with science, it has all to do with why you give 5 Stars to Chileastro.
Ok benni - you can read my mind. Seems to me that the people who are here for the science - talk abut the science - and stay on topic. It seems a contradiction to me - to claim that you are here for the science -and then to spend your posts putting others down on block - bragging about your own math skills - and fussing interminably about who upvotes you and who down votes you. I too am interested in your response about the low frequency photons - and not interested in your ability to do DE.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (25) May 15, 2016
@Benni

they simply do not understand that magnetic forces are simply ultra-low low frequency photons

..... that piques my curiousity. Please explain how you arrived at this conclusion, further


........studying Special Relativity & the Electro-magnetic Spectrum & Thermodynmics.

All Magnetic Fields perform a Kinetic Energy function scientists label as WORK on PARTICLES. Witness the fact that iron filings follow the flux lines of a magnet when exposed to it's dipole field. As you watch the KE impact on those iron filings realigning to the configuration of the dipole magnetic field, you are watching WORK (kinetic energy) in action.

The KE impact to move iron filing PARTICLES arises from the effects Electro-magnetism (photons) has on the atomic structure of the electron shell to move electrons from one orbital configuration to another. The movement of iron filing PARTICLES move at 1/2mv², which is why you can observe the WORK in action.
Benni
2.4 / 5 (23) May 15, 2016
Ok benni - you can read my mind. Seems to me that the people who are here for the science
......so how then does that explain your 5 Star upvote for a post by Chileastro & his S&M fantasies which had nothing to do with "science"? Talk about someone giving it away as to where their true sentiments lie, you scream it out loud with your vote, you just hope someone like me will never come along & hold you into accountability for it.

So tell us now, what was Chileastro's "science" for which you gave him a 5 Star upvote in that post? No "science" right? But true sentiment on your part because you didn't like the fact that I challenged his foul mouthed skills with a skillset of language appropriate to a "science" topic & a site where science is the expected topic under discussion; perverted sex fantasies have nothing to do with Electro-magnetism.
greenonions
4.5 / 5 (17) May 15, 2016
so how then does that explain your 5 Star upvote for a post by Chileastro
I already did that - can you not read? You really are like a little child - perseverating over something as minuscule as some anonymous person on the internet - giving one of thousands of comments on the internet a 5 star - and you are going to expend all of this energy on such trivia. Do you not wonder why people treat you with derision?
greenonions
4.6 / 5 (18) May 15, 2016
Benni - look at the 4 posts above my last post. 3 people got 5's, and you got 1's. Look at any thread that you have posted on - and you will see a similar pattern. Perhaps you could think on that for a minute. Perhaps people are wanting to send you a mssg. Perhaps the point that people are trying to make - is that you are viewed poorly on this site. Maybe that would change - if you stopped with the personal bull about how good you are at DE - and just relax - and comment on the science. Obviously you know a lot about science - so why the need to put others down, and make things personal - about how good you are at DE, and nobody else can do DE etc. etc. There is another poster who seems to struggle with exactly the same issue. Just relax - and chat about the science.
Benni
2.4 / 5 (23) May 15, 2016
I have a recurring dream where I'm in a bar and overhear someone saying something that identifies them as one of the regular trolls, like benni, and I follow them out into a dark alley and beat some respect into their empty heads.


I wish I could find watching science beset by all manner of logic challenged megalomaniacs funny. I know Benni just comes on to indulge S&M fantasies with me and DS.,,,,,,,and is a part of normal social interaction.


if you stopped with the personal bull about how good you are at DE - and just relax - and comment on the science.
Hey, Greeno, I get the impression you don't think your advice should be pointed right at someone who put up the above posts. You obviously don't think Chileastro's non-science posts are inappropriate do you? You obviously don't because you 5 Starred them.

I respond so prolifically to your hypocrisy because I want the Guest Readers to see what kind of people populate this site, I don't write it to you.

greenonions
4.5 / 5 (17) May 15, 2016
I don't write it to you.
Which explains why you start out with "Hey Greeno" (sarcasm) I figure that people are independent enough to draw their own conclusions regarding the comments - they don't need me to point anything out to them. You really are upset up Chileastro's post aren't you? I already explained my motivation behind giving you 1's - sorry you can't understand. Scroll up about 14 comments - you will see a pattern - you get 6 1 stars, and I (and several other posters) get 10 5 stars. Doesn't that buy you a clue benni? - maybe take a minute to wonder if a different approach would be more constructive. Like I say - it is clear you know a great deal about science - shame you seem to lack a little introspection - and maybe willingness to learn...
Phys1
4.5 / 5 (15) May 15, 2016
@Benni
All Magnetic Fields perform a Kinetic Energy function scientists label as WORK on PARTICLES.

The magnetic field does not perform work.
https://www.googl...fe_rd=cr
RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (21) May 15, 2016
Hi greenonions. :)

I read your rationalization to Benni for your own 'bot-voting' on personality rather than science content involved. Please drop it and stop contributing to the bot-voting skewing of the rating system which the known ratings trolls use for their own games having nothing to do with science or fairness.

Consider my own experience with these bot-voting twerps. I am not a troll, yet a 'gang' of twerps has made concerted effort, even using sockpuppet names for the express purpose of downvoting me without ever commenting...even when I am correct on-science and not personal!

How do you reconcile that behavior with what you just rationalized to Benni regarding your own downvoting the person regardless of science/correct content?

It all started with those downvoting bot-trolls years ago. When victims defend themselves in kind, the victims are blamed!

Please stop encouraging bot-trolls attacks/downvotes on persons irrespective. Start afresh; stop voting. :)
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (13) May 15, 2016
In simple terms, magnetic fields do not perform work on charges because their action is normal to the charges' direction of motion. Only fields that act parallel to the direction of motion can perform work.
greenonions
4.3 / 5 (18) May 15, 2016
RealityCheck - sorry pal - but with all respect - no dice. I can't believe how much time is being spent - discussing how other people vote on an anonymous science site - it is so childish. If you don't like my posts - exercise your option - and down vote me. Maybe I will care - and maybe not. Maybe it is not 'bot' voting. Maybe people are taking a split second and sending a mssg of some kind. Are you getting paid by the star or something?
RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (21) May 15, 2016
Hi greenonions. :)
RealityCheck - sorry pal - but with all respect - no dice. I can't believe how much time is being spent - discussing how other people vote on an anonymous science site - it is so childish. If you don't like my posts - exercise your option - and down vote me. Maybe I will care - and maybe not. Maybe it is not 'bot' voting. Maybe people are taking a split second and sending a mssg of some kind. Are you getting paid by the star or something?
Respect back at you, mate. But you miss the point. This is a science site. The bot-voters skew the metrics. This affects casual readers. That is the downvoting trolls aim. It's certainly not defending science and fairness, is it? So which do you want to be known as: a PO member who supports fair and polite discourse on-science and on-topic; or one who also 'personality' votes; so encouraging/pioviding'cover' for those bot-voting twerps who started it all who don't give a damn about science/PO/you or fairness? :)
Benni
2.5 / 5 (22) May 15, 2016
magnetic fields do not perform work on charges because their action is normal to the charges' direction of motion.


You didn't even bother to read what I wrote:

The KE impact to move iron filing PARTICLES arises from the effects Electro-magnetism (photons) has on the atomic structure of the electron shell to move electrons from one orbital configuration to another. The movement of iron filing PARTICLES move at 1/2mv², which is why you can observe the WORK in action. It is the change of the electron shell configuration caused by absorption of photons by electrons causing them to move to a higher energy state, when the electron changes physical orbital configuration this is WORK alias 1/2mv² alias Kinetic Energy.

It is the photon energy derived from the magnetic field dipole that inputs E=mc² to reconfigure the outer shell of electron orbitals that causes the WORK which makes iron filings align along the (virtual) lines of flux as viewed on a piece of paper.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (21) May 15, 2016
Schneibo,

You need to learn that magnetism originates from results from unpaired electrons of a given ion of an element, depending on the spin states of the electrons, it's 1st semester chemistry. Sure other things occur subsequent to this, but the dipole field is solely dependent on the structure of the electron shells surrounding the atomic nucleus.

RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (20) May 15, 2016
Hi Da Schneib. :)
In simple terms, magnetic fields do not perform work on charges because their action is normal to the charges' direction of motion. Only fields that act parallel to the direction of motion can perform work.
The reality is a bit more convoluted than that simplistic view.

Consider the LHC acceleration system of magnetic fields associated with electric currents in superconducting material. That system:

- accelerates charged particles around a circular path;

- synchrotron radiation is PHOTONIC ENERGY which was 'peeled off' from the MAGNETIC field ENERGY inputs to those charged particles' FLUXING energy states until they can go no faster.

It's all more complex at the fundamental/quantum level; much more complex than the 'averaged out' simplistic 'macro-scale' view of what's happening 'down there'.

Cheers. :)

greenonions
4.2 / 5 (15) May 15, 2016
Respect back at you, mate. But you miss the point. This is a science site.
Agreed Reality- and I am happy to stay with the science - and learn as we go. Problem for me is that some posters (Noumenon, Benni, Antigoracl, Shootist, obamasox - to name a few) - are clearly not interested in serious exchange of thought. They name call, pull you down the rabbit hole - and just make the comments section miserable. It seems to leave few options - as physorg is really not moderated - so rather than go down the rabbit hole - I figure I at least have one tiny bit of protest - give em a one star. All of a sudden - it is like a major ordeal - and the discussion becomes just about who is up voting or down voting who. It seems to me it can be a private decision - and like I say - one last tiny option to register a protest. Then - they try making that the issue - rather than being willing to look at their bullshit. Does not seem like it should be that big a deal..
BongThePuffin
May 15, 2016
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Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (14) May 15, 2016
@greenos, I admire your patience and politeness in the face of rudeness and unreasonable behavior.

As for voting, I don't bother with people I'd otherwise consistently give 1s; I just put them on ignore and move on. I find it improves the quality of the comments enormously. It also keeps my blood pressure down.

Finally, I would put @RealityCheck in the same category as the rest of the trolls. This individual is more subtle, but in the end the same.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (16) May 15, 2016
they simply do not understand that magnetic forces are simply ultra-low low frequency photons

You have any documented proof of this hypothesis? I would like to see.
...studying Special Relativity & the Electro-magnetic Spectrum & Thermodynmics.

irrelevant.

The KE impact to move iron filing PARTICLES arises from the effects Electro-magnetism (photons)

no - electrons + magnetism, as the name implies.
has on the atomic structure of the electron shell to move electrons from one orbital configuration to another.

While photons may affect the orbital shell position by increasing or decreasing the electron charge, Magnetism aligns the (dipolar) electron spin in either an up or down alignment regardless of charge, which generally aligns align a group of "particles" in a particular charge direction. No photon interaction indicated - except in your "hypothesis"...
Can you explain your source of "ultra low frequency photons"?
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (15) May 15, 2016
And your (RC's) solution is to kill the voting. Right.

Yah, but...
Wouldn't that take the fun out of the discussion forums?
Noumenon
1.9 / 5 (23) May 15, 2016
And your (RC's) solution is to kill the voting. Right.


Indeed, how else could a dolt compete with substance? You down rate my posts with your dozens of accounts routinely irrespective of actual factual physics content,... as in this thread,.....

http://phys.org/n...ite.html

And one can see the corrupt use of the rating system by looking at my profile.

DaSchnieb and greenonions don't like me personally only because they get annihilated in debates,... which they VOLUNTARILY ENGAGED IN and which are "OFF TOPIC" as are most of the threads.

Rude behavior? I can link threads, where DaSchnieb (notoriously rude), kept calling me a "liar" over and over for stating facts of physics.....and greenonions calling me a racist over and over again unprovoked and out of context.

The dolt behind all those trolling accounts is the reason that phys.org should disable the rating system.

Noumenon
1.9 / 5 (22) May 15, 2016
...we see people like Uncle-Ira 5'rated consistently for NOT posting on topic about science,.... and crank-trolling is a sport at phys.org that will earn you easy 5's all day.

But people that actually post interesting substance are attacked for whatever reason,... political ideology,... emotional lashing out?

Have a look at some of BongThePuffin recent posts about "right wing nuts". It's not hard to see the real motivation in that dolts behavior and mass-troll ratings.

https://sciencex....n/?v=act

The bot-voters skew the metrics. This affects casual readers. That is the downvoting trolls aim.

You're exactly correct. It is about fraudulently establishing an "impression of the value of ones post",... and NOT about letting individual posts stand on their own merit and substance. BongThePuffin et al, is a know-nothing fraud and a coward that hides under his desk.

Uncle Ira
3.2 / 5 (34) May 15, 2016
But people that actually post interesting substance are attacked for whatever reason,...
Who gets to decide what is interesting substance? You? I think the Skippy voting should vote for whatever reason he wants to vote. That is what voting is all about Cher.

political ideology,...
Yeah, now you are catching on. Voting is all about political stuffs. Nothing else. You think voting is how to decide science stuffs? Now that would be a stupid way to do things.

emotional lashing out?
Cher, you do a lot of that your self.

recent posts about "right wing nuts"..
As opposed to some of your rants about the "left wing" political tribes? Cher, why your tribe should get special rules?

Why you don't try out the Bully-Tea-Party-Skippy's-Pulpit-Forum? They are just like you. You can say anything want to about Obama and Obama's momma over there, but if you are going to say something about the Republicans or the Tea-Skippys, you got be respectful and nice.
Noumenon
1.9 / 5 (22) May 15, 2016
That post earned you an easy 5. Congrats.

@Ira,... you missed the point,.... I'm not the one objecting to content of comments. The above mentioned hypocrite adds no "on topic" posts himself,... yet he "justifies" his mass-troll rating by claiming off-topic and rude comments,.... which is a farce, as most of the posts at phys.org are off-topic and his mass-troll-rating IS RUDE. Some of the best and most interesting threads are "off topic". IOW, he is a lying dolt that is more disruptive to phys.org than my posts,..... many of which are actually about physics,... unlike his.
Uncle Ira
3.1 / 5 (34) May 15, 2016
@Ira,... you missed the point,.... I'm not the one objecting to content of comments
Non Cher, I am not missing the point. You are objecting to getting the down votes because you don't think your comments deserve the down votes.

You are missing the point. Votes is votes. The commenter don't get to decide what vote he gets. He takes his chance when flings out a comment to get voted on. Votes are not science, votes are what peoples think and feel. Mostly feel.

You think I am wrong on that? Strangers passing by are going to decide if you are the moron or not just by the karma score? Got news for you Skippy, they don't check out the votes to decide if you know what you are talking about.

Choot, look at some of my karma scores, you think some fool is going to happen by and think "Holy cow, that Ira-Skippy has the 4.2 so he must be the go-to guy on this subject". If a stranger sees me, my score and thinks that he deserves to be known as a fool.
Noumenon
2 / 5 (20) May 15, 2016
Well, that's the point. Phys.Org should disable the rating system because it has no meaning behind it,... and it is abused and used corruptly by trolls. You can post literally anything and receive a 5 while I receive 12 1's by the same coward for posting factual physics. This makes sense to you to protect?
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (15) May 15, 2016
Well, that's the point. Phys.Org should disable the rating system because it has no meaning behind it,... and it is abused and used corruptly by trolls. You can post literally anything and receive a 5 while I receive 12 1's by the same coward for posting factual physics. This makes sense to you to protect?

That's entertainment... Why care what your score is?
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (13) May 15, 2016
Noum, I pointed out that you were being insulting, and you got huffy about it.

Next thing's gonna happen is the Cap'n's gonna come by and see you claiming you "annihilated" someone in debates and start posting links to them, after which you'll whine about that too.

The facts are, you don't know enough physics to keep up, all you know is philosophy, and you incessantly brag about debates you lost as if you won them because you became insulting and got put on ignore.

Get over it.

On edit: and BTW you're lying again.

And don't claim you're not or I'll go hunt up your insulting posts from the last "debate" in which you turned to insults because you lost on the physics.

Bring it, dudebro.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (17) May 15, 2016
That post earned you an easy 5. Congrats.

@Ira,... you missed the point,.... I'm not the one objecting to content of comments. The above mentioned hypocrite adds no "on topic" posts himself,... yet he "justifies" his mass-troll rating by claiming off-topic and rude comments,.... which is a farce, as most of the posts at phys.org are off-topic and his mass-troll-rating IS RUDE. Some of the best and most interesting threads are "off topic". IOW, he is a lying dolt that is more disruptive to phys.org than my posts,..... many of which are actually about physics,... unlike his.

You let everyone see that it got to you...
That's entertaining...
Grow thicker skin.
Uncle Ira
3.1 / 5 (36) May 15, 2016
Well, that's the point. Phys.Org should disable the rating system because it has no meaning behind it,...
If it has no meaning, why you care some much about it to write a dozens of postums complaining? You just said the trut, it has no meaning. Why you let something that has no meaning ruin your day Cher?

This makes sense to you to protect?
I am not protecting anything. All I am doing is saying, IT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. You getting all prickly about the karma score is what does not make sense to me.
Noumenon
1.9 / 5 (22) May 15, 2016
Notice how those who only receive 5's with little effort don't mind the rating system.

...............................................................................................................

Noum, I pointed out that you were being insulting, and you got huffy about it.


That is factually incorrect, as can be seen in the following thread. You keep rudely repeating "Please try to stay away from philosophy and stick to physics" over and over despite that I was only posting about physics,… you then preceded to call me a liar over and over. I was being cordial beforehand…..

http://phys.org/n...ics.html

You were giving MinMath questionable explanations,… but I was the "bad guy" for helping him?
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (15) May 15, 2016
Since Noum seems to want to play games, let's take a look at the most recent thread where I actually bothered to respond to it:

http://phys.org/n...ics.html

In that thread, Noum demonstrates complete lack of knowledge of superposition, locality, local realism, Heisenberg uncertainty in spin, Heisenberg conjugation, the meaning of the values of wavefunctions, then confuses philosophical realism with physics realism, and attempts to bamboozle his way out by bringing up Hilbert space which he then demonstrates he has no knowledge of in a quantum physics context.

Stick to philosophy, Noum. You don't know jack sxxt about physics. You have a bunch of buzzwords that you don't actually understand the meaning of and you throw them around like a jargon generator whenever someone disagrees with you.
Noumenon
1.9 / 5 (22) May 15, 2016
Your comments are nothing more than subjective characterizations, distortions and lies. The thread can speak for itself and is facts waiting for objective reading. Why supply the characterizations for others who can read?

The point here was the hypocrisy of rudeness at Phys.org.

The facts are, you don't know enough physics to keep up, all you know is philosophy, and you incessantly brag about debates you lost as if you won them because you became insulting and got put on ignore.


An objective reading of the facts shows the exact opposite as in this thread…..

http://phys.org/n...ron.html

In that thread I had to explain to you what Hilbert space was, in addition to many other things about physics.

You also had problems with DarkLordKelvin correcting you. Would you like me to post that thread?

Noumenon
2 / 5 (21) May 15, 2016
You want to supply characterizations for those who can't follow the discussion? OK, here is FineStructureConstant's assessment of that thread.....

"Noumenon is spot on with his QM knowledge. Da Schneib, on the other hand, demonstrates time and again a poor understanding of the subject and, with his continual insults and ranting "liar" to anybody disagreeing with him, is a foul-mouthed street-corner layabout. End of."

Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (13) May 15, 2016
In that thread I had to explain to you what Hilbert space was
No, you explained your interpretation of it. You're lying again, Noum.

As far as FSC, he didn't have any reply to my arguments and stopped posting, and has done the same thing a couple other times. Is he another of your sockpuppets? Or just your groupie?
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (13) May 15, 2016
Oh and to add to it all you don't understand pair production either.

Now stop posing.
greenonions
4.3 / 5 (16) May 15, 2016
Noumenon.
DaSchnieb and greenonions don't like me personally only because they get annihilated in debates,..
Actually I never met you - so I don't know if I like you or not. I down vote you for a number of reasons - one of them being that you created a sock puppet (Ersheinung) and use it to up vote yourself. Also you are classic in terms of down the rabbitl hole - and tie everyone up in knots. I have explained that to you several times. I guess who gets annihilated by who is a bit subjective - I do challenge your need to politicize things excessively - and also your revisionist history. I know a bit more about history than I do physics - and am a pretty good wiki warrior on that one. Confusing how you keep promising to put me on ignore - but then bring my handle up again - over and over. Maybe that is a bit like having a sock puppet.
Noumenon
2.1 / 5 (22) May 15, 2016
As far as FSC, he didn't have any reply to my arguments and stopped posting, and has done the same thing a couple other times. Is he another of your sockpuppets? Or just your groupie?


FineStructureConstant is a very knowledgeable poster at phys.org.....

https://sciencex....t/?v=act

You offered your own bias characterization of me,... I thought it would be apropos to offer an unbiased one instead.

Oh and to add to it all you don't understand pair production either.


You're good at posting vague characterizations,.... but one only needs to read the thread to see the truth.

Noumenon
2 / 5 (20) May 15, 2016
I have had rewarding discussions with both DaSchneib and greenonions. My screen-name was invoked above about "rudeness" and "off-topic" by a politically motivated troll rater,... so I pointed out the hypocrisy of that post,... the hypocrisy of ad hominem "characterizations" as opposed to substantive factual content.

greenonions
4.5 / 5 (16) May 15, 2016
Time for bed - well - after one more episode of Orphan Black. I really enjoyed this article - and some of the science comments got me reading some stuff on photons, and electrons, and magnetism. Fascinating how it is all related. I have always said that we can see the effect of magnetism - but do not understand it. Have to revise that - at least somewhat. Lot's more reading. I had no idea some people were so affected by their star rating. I saw it in a much more light hearted way. Too much power in one little mouse - I will rethink.
Noumenon
1.9 / 5 (23) May 15, 2016
Well it's no surprise that those who are not gang-troll-rated can't understand why this would annoy those that are,.... instead of agreeing that the ratings system is abused.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (17) May 16, 2016
Here's the latest whacked out post from Thegoatofotto1923 (the Nazi lover and acolyte of the dead Nazi, Otto Skorzeny)

TheGhostofOtto19235 / 5 (3) 7 hours ago
Here we go
@Obama_Socks,.... yes exactly. Within the context of science and my comments above, it just means 'what can be said of Reality independent of observation'
-Noumenon attempts to discuss formal philosophical mysticism with a kumquat; ie someone who might actually believe he knows what he is talking about.

Ie someone who believes she sees 900ft tall glassy headed Martians in NASA photos.

What's the scientific term for seeing patterns in garbage?

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

So, Otto still sees 900 ft martians and still passes his delusion on to others. Otto is a clear case of DUNNING-KRUGER and somehow is still allowed the use of the internet to exhibit its mental diseases. There ought to be a law against Otto's kind of garbage.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
As a non scientist - I am awed by our technical ability to do things like send equipment up into space - to actually measure the behavior of particles such as electrons. Then the comments attack this amazing feat - by calling it pseudoscience - and others persistently devolve the comments section into partisan political bickering. What does transgender bathrooms have to do with this fascinating research? I can't yet engage in a discussion about the difference between magnetic fields interacting - vs particles interacting - but I am glad that others can - and I can look on - a little overwhelmed. Yes OS - I think that you (and MR166 on other threads) are correct. The U.S. culture seems to be rotting. As you point out - we need to value education (I would add - and science). Sad that you don't see your own part in promoting that rot.
- onions
In what way have I been promoting the rotting from the top down in the field of education in the US?
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
You aren't here for "the science", you have a different need for being here that has nothing to do with science, it has all to do with why you give 5 Stars to Chileastro.
Ok benni - you can read my mind. Seems to me that the people who are here for the science - talk abut the science - and stay on topic. It seems a contradiction to me - to claim that you are here for the science -and then to spend your posts putting others down on block - bragging about your own math skills - and fussing interminably about who upvotes you and who down votes you. I too am interested in your response about the low frequency photons - and not interested in your ability to do DE.

- grnonions
And yet, your OWN response to Benni's post is to mention his bragging about his math skills, as though there was something wrong with that. If you are upset by Benni's rightful bragging, then why do you talk about it in your post? Since when did you become the Thought Police of Physorg?
Da Schneib
4.8 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
Noum, if I hadn't had to deal with your constant one-upmanship and sly insults, I might actually believe that. Stop posting philosophy and playing logic games and dominance games for a while and I might find you worth talking to, but I see no point in being abused by you and will keep you on ignore until you can show you've changed your ways.

You earned this. You had multiple opportunities to avoid it. You now have things to overcome. I actually hope you do; you're a smart person, you're just intolerable to have a discussion with.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
After you answer that, then can we please return to the topic?

Apparently, too much to ask...:-(
- WhydG
After my response to your question re budget, the next thing was to explain to Pissypants1 how weird she is.
So, what was too much to ask?
Also, how is it that YOU are able to get all FIVES for inanities, even from Otto's sock puppets who were created only for rating and who have never posted a comment AT ALL?
Are YOU also in the protoplasmix and chileastro bullpen to always get high scores even when not talking about the science? Oh wait, I almost forgot that you have advertised your business in some threads just like Estevan57 has done. Same as how gkam advertised and sent his personal info to Strumpy who then gave out all that info over the internet for anyone to do Identity Theft on gkam. I see. So, because Otto/Strumpy has you over a barrel now due to your business information.
Your business can be regarded as personal info, kiddo
Phys1
4.1 / 5 (14) May 16, 2016
while Phys1 is technically correct, it's a rather pedantic point.

How can it be pedantic if it is correct?
Phys1
4 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
@RC
The reality is a bit more convoluted than that simplistic view.

Consider the LHC acceleration system of magnetic fields associated with electric currents in superconducting material. That system:

- accelerates charged particles around a circular path;

- synchrotron radiation is PHOTONIC ENERGY which was 'peeled off' from the MAGNETIC field ENERGY inputs to those charged particles' FLUXING energy states until they can go no faster.

It's all more complex at the fundamental/quantum level; much more complex than the 'averaged out' simplistic 'macro-scale' view of what's happening 'down there'.

Cheers. :)


Still, also in this case the magnetic field does not perform work.
greenonions
4.8 / 5 (17) May 16, 2016
Noumenon
Well it's no surprise that those who are not gang-troll-rated can't understand why this would annoy those that are,.... instead of agreeing that the ratings system is abused.
I agree - the rating system is abused - people do crazy stuff - like creating sock puppets - and incessantly stating they are putting others on ignore - but then responding to their posts. It is odd - how your internal contradictions can be pointed out over and over.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
And your (RC's) solution is to kill the voting. Right.

Yah, but...
Wouldn't that take the fun out of the discussion forums?
- WhydG
So down voting personalities that you don't like, and up voting those that you do, is your main source of "fun", irregardless of whether or not the content of the post is about the topic or is lacking thereof?
Shame on you. I thought that artists are supposedly a sensitive breed who are more discerning wrt content. Would you regard a portrait that is devoid of the subject matter that was somehow left out of it, as a work of art? A Mona Lisa without the image of Mona Lisa would earn your FIVE vote? Down voting of good science posts is something for which Otto is best known. Have you become another Otto and his legion of sock puppets? Do you also down vote your customers?
greenonions
4.6 / 5 (18) May 16, 2016
OS
In what way have I been promoting the rotting from the top down in the field of education in the US?
I said that the US culture is rotting. You added from the top down. I said that you are contributing to that rot. You promote religion on a science site - that would be one example. It was you who started talking about transgender bathrooms on this thread about magnetic fields. My feeling is - that part of that rot - is wanting to always be dividing people - inflaming passions about hot button issues such as transgender folks. For me - inclusiveness, and empathy come from a more intelligent culture - divisiveness is the hallmark of an ideological and tribalistic culture.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
Noum, I pointed out that you were being insulting, and you got huffy about it.

Next thing's gonna happen is the Cap'n's gonna come by and see you claiming you "annihilated" someone in debates and start posting links to them, after which you'll whine about that too.

The facts are, you don't know enough physics to keep up, all you know is philosophy, and you incessantly brag about debates you lost as if you won them because you became insulting and got put on ignore.

On edit: and BTW you're lying again.

And don't claim you're not or I'll go hunt up your insulting posts from the last "debate" in which you turned to insults because you lost on the physics.

- DeSchneibo
Philosophy? LOL Everything you have said in this and all your other posts, consists almost entirely of philosophical musings/meanderings/opinions and innuendos that lack any substance wrt the topic of discussion. You and chileastro, Otto/Strumpy/Ira, Bong, et al are all of one idiotic mind.
Phys1
3.9 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
Whether you agree or not, magnetic fields do not perform work.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
OS
In what way have I been promoting the rotting from the top down in the field of education in the US?
I said that the US culture is rotting. You added from the top down. I said that you are contributing to that rot. You promote religion on a science site - that would be one example. It was you who started talking about transgender bathrooms on this thread about magnetic fields. My feeling is - - inflaming passions about hot button issues such as transgender folks. For me - inclusiveness, and empathy come from a more intelligent culture - divisiveness is the hallmark of an ideological and tribalistic culture.
- g o
Yes, trannys entering the wrong bathrooms are Obama's contribution to enable predators to claim that they, as transgenders, fake or otherwise, have the right also. Your "hot button issue" will be responsible for future beatings, rapes, and murders of the innocent to appease the less than 1% of the US population. Not too intelligent, is it.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
Whether you agree or not, magnetic fields do not perform work.
- Pissypants
And you are entitled to your own philosophy wrt magnetic fields, however incorrect.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
(cont'd)
@onions
Tranny access to the opposite gender bathrooms & locker rooms -
That is typical of Obama-type transgressions against the American public that applies directly to "rotting from the top down". Get used to it. There will be much more to come before AND after Obama's time is up.
BTW, Religion & Philosophy are the precursors of science - a precondition that has made the thoughtfulness, questioning and seeking of answers that has made Science at all possible. In fact, as Religion seeks Truth and confirmation from the Creator, the same holds true for Science. Both are seeking answers. It's only the methods that are divergent.
Phys1
4.1 / 5 (14) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
Just keep dreaming in your own deluded universe.
Should you have a wake moment, here's a link:
https://www.quora...a-charge
Phys1
4.2 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
In your deluded world view, if by mistake a man walks into the ladie's or a woman walks into the men's room then will "beatings, rapes, and murders of the innocent" occur organised by Obama himself?
Phys1
4.2 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
I note that I am always right in physics discussions with you, and by corollary, you are always wrong. It is only out of pity for such ignorance that I attempt to teach you. Why don't you acknowledge that you know nothing? It could be the beginning of wisdom that you so badly crave.
Protoplasmix
4.4 / 5 (20) May 16, 2016
Are YOU also in the protoplasmix and chileastro bullpen to always get high scores even when not talking about the science?
Whoa, don't complain about getting the horns from messing with a bull when that bull you messed with is your own stupidity.
... irregardless of whether or not the content of the post is about the topic or is lacking thereof?
It's as if you're wearing a sign that says, "Kick me, I'm stupid" and it's written in your own handwriting. When you can demonstrate the ability to parse a word like "irregardless," o-socks, then you will have come far...
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (18) May 16, 2016
WhydG
After my response to your question re budget, the next thing was to explain to Pissypants1 how weird she is.

No, it wasn't.
Also, how is it that YOU are able to get all FIVES for inanities, even from Otto's sock puppets who were created only for rating and who have never posted a comment AT ALL?

I have no idea.
Are YOU also in the protoplasmix and chileastro bullpen to always get high scores even when not talking about the science?

Not on their team. Why would I be in their bull pen?
Oh wait, I almost forgot that you have advertised your business in some threads just like Estevan57 has done. Same as how gkam advertised and sent his personal info to Strumpy who then gave out all that info over the internet for anyone to do Identity Theft on gkam. I see. So, because Otto/Strumpy has you over a barrel now due to your business information.
Your business can be regarded as personal info, kiddo

Posted nothing that isn't already out there.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (18) May 16, 2016
WhydG
So down voting personalities that you don't like, and up voting those that you do, is your main source of "fun", irregardless of whether or not the content of the post is about the topic or is lacking thereof?
Shame on you. I thought that artists are supposedly a sensitive breed who are more discerning wrt content. Would you regard a portrait that is devoid of the subject matter that was somehow left out of it, as a work of art? A Mona Lisa without the image of Mona Lisa would earn your FIVE vote? Down voting of good science posts is something for which Otto is best known. Have you become another Otto and his legion of sock puppets? Do you also down vote your customers?

I don't downvote. I only upvote for decent content or that which I find humorous. Even yours (which get rarer as time goes on). And, occasionally, some that I just - agree with.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
In your deluded world view, if by mistake a man walks into the ladie's or a woman walks into the men's room then will "beatings, rapes, and murders of the innocent" occur organised by Obama himself?
- Pissypants1
I suggest you read my comment again. You, apparently have completely missed the word "predator" in that comment. Are you now suggesting that Obama is a predator himself who organizes such evil things?
Your sense of logic and reason is flawed, in spite of your aspiring to taking part in scientific discourse. It's not surprising that you, also, are rated FIVES by the dull-witted and know-nothings. Did you also sell your soul to Thegoatofotto for those FIVES?
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
I note that I am always right in physics discussions with you, and by corollary, you are always wrong. It is only out of pity for such ignorance that I attempt to teach you. Why don't you acknowledge that you know nothing? It could be the beginning of wisdom that you so badly crave.
- Pissypants1
I also note that I have NEVER discussed Physics issues with you, nor would I wish to. If I ever did, it would have been because you were using a different nickname and presented a severe personality change. Your list of trolls, cranks and pariahs do not include the names of those who vote your ratings with FIVES, but who either never comment, or are not known to express a cogent argument on science issues, other than DS. From that perspective, you are up voted ONLY by those who are themselves Cranks and Trolls. You must be so proud.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (20) May 16, 2016
- WhydG
Shame on you. I thought that artists are supposedly a sensitive breed who are more discerning wrt content. [q/]
Artists don't discern. Self appointed Art snobs do.
Would you regard a portrait that is devoid of the subject matter that was somehow left out of it, as a work of art?

Stupid analogy. Wouldn't be a portrait.
A Mona Lisa without the image of Mona Lisa would earn your FIVE vote?

Wouldn't be Mona Lisa. Would be a Landscape. If it was a good landscape, yes. If it was just blank where Mona lisa was, I might find it abstractly funny enough for a 5.

Answered your questions - now go back to magnetism?

TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (23) May 16, 2016
So, Otto still sees 900 ft martians and still passes his delusion on to others. Otto is a clear case of DUNNING-KRUGER and somehow is still allowed the use of the internet to exhibit its mental diseases. There ought to be a law against Otto's kind of garbage
So the tard previously known as pussycat_eyes is now double-posting other people's posts. How bizarre.

Almost as bizarre as her original post on the subject

"semi-transparent, not translucent. We also have independent, PROFESSIONAL verification as to the existence of the humanoids in the Mars pictures"

-As if she's proud of being a vegetable with fingers for typing.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (17) May 16, 2016
Are YOU also in the protoplasmix and chileastro bullpen to always get high scores even when not talking about the science?
Whoa, don't complain about getting the horns from messing with a bull when that bull you messed with is your own stupidity.
... irregardless of whether or not the content of the post is about the topic or is lacking thereof?
It's as if you're wearing a sign that says, "Kick me, I'm stupid" and it's written in your own handwriting. When you can demonstrate the ability to parse a word like "irregardless," o-socks, then you will have come far...
- protoplasmix
Irregardless, your love of Otto's parsing of "pussytard" and your strong reluctance of condemning Otto for it, is indicative of your gutter mindset while pretending to be "holier-than-thou".
GET THEE TO THE NUNNERY, WOMAN.
Phys1
4.4 / 5 (19) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
In your deluded world view, if by mistake a man walks into the ladie's or a woman walks into the men's room then will "beatings, rapes, and murders of the innocent" occur organised by Obama himself?
- Pissypants1
I suggest you read my comment again. You, apparently have completely missed the word "predator" in that comment. Are you now suggesting that Obama is a predator himself who organizes such evil things?

That is your own suggestion.
It's not surprising that you, also, are rated FIVES by the dull-witted and know-nothings.

I am sorry that you have the lowest ratings of anyone on PO in the past decade. Is is unfair. Admittedly, I often take the trouble to downrate your every post.
Phys1
4.4 / 5 (19) May 16, 2016

I also note that I have NEVER discussed Physics issues with you, nor would I wish to.

You just did. Korsakov ?
Anyway, it is very wise that you attempt not to discuss physics with me.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (17) May 16, 2016
WhydG
So down voting personalities that you don't like, and up voting those that you do, is your main source of "fun", irregardless of whether or not the content of the post is about the topic or is lacking thereof? (...)

I don't downvote. I only upvote for decent content or that which I find humorous. Even yours (which get rarer as time goes on). And, occasionally, some that I just - agree with.
- WhydG
Your sitting on the fence and not taking sides is reasonable (for you), and yet illogical. Why get embroiled in arguments which might cause either side to turn on YOU. Mainstream Media haven't learned that lesson. I have already seen you get down voted by your voting compadres when your post was not to their liking, and may have been due to its content.
But the argument was about the necessity of the ratings system which, as has been said by others, the ratings are fictional and are only based on personality and favoritism, not content and/or accuracy of content
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
So, Otto still sees 900 ft martians and still passes his delusion on to others. Otto is a clear case of DUNNING-KRUGER and somehow is still allowed the use of the internet to exhibit its mental diseases. There ought to be a law against Otto's kind of garbage
So the tard previously known as pussycat_eyes is now double-posting other people's posts. How bizarre.

Almost as bizarre as her original post on the subject

"semi-transparent, not translucent. We also have independent, PROFESSIONAL verification as to the existence of the humanoids in the Mars pictures"

-As if she's proud of being a vegetable with fingers for typing.
- Otto the Nazi
Nope..I am not Pussycat eyes and have never been. She was driven from Physorg by your hate mongering against a female. That is not surprising since your opinion of women is:
"FISH IS A METAPHOR FOR WOMANLY SMELLS", Remember when you said that?
Where is the link where I ever said anything about 900 foot martians? Link please.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (17) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
In your deluded world view, if by mistake a man walks into the ladie's or a woman walks into the men's room then will "beatings, rapes, and murders of the innocent" occur organised by Obama himself?
- Pissypants1
I suggest you read my comment again. You, apparently have completely missed the word "predator" in that comment. Are you now suggesting that Obama is a predator himself who organizes such evil things?

That is your own suggestion.
It's not surprising that you, also, are rated FIVES by the dull-witted and know-nothings.

I am sorry that you have the lowest ratings of anyone on PO in the past decade. Is is unfair. Admittedly, I often take the trouble to downrate your every post.
- Pissypants1
I have said often enough that I consider the ratings irrelevant and it only serves those who use the rating system for his/her/their silly attempt at intimidation as Trolls and Cranks, and nothing more.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (21) May 16, 2016
Your sitting on the fence and not taking sides is reasonable (for you), and yet illogical. Why get embroiled in arguments which might cause either side to turn on YOU.

You have the Bush mentality of with us or against us.
I have already seen you get down voted by your voting compadres when your post was not to their liking, and may have been due to its content.

So what? That's what voting is ABOUT. Mostly I get downvoted by the likes of you or Benni. You don't like my comments - or you just downvote because it's my screen. I don't care.
And that's what voting is all ABOUT. I'm not out to win anything here.
But the argument was about the necessity of the ratings system which, as has been said by others, the ratings are fictional and are only based on personality and favoritism, not content and/or accuracy of cont.

It's a jungle out there... Guess they'll just have to deal with it.
Back to magnetic fields, please.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (20) May 16, 2016
From all the fuss about the ratings, and from the users who seem to complain the most about it, I'd say the ratings system is working exactly as intended.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (17) May 16, 2016
@o_pervert
In your deluded world view, if by mistake a man walks into the ladie's or a woman walks into the men's room then will "beatings, rapes, and murders of the innocent" occur organised by Obama himself?
- Pissypants1
I suggest you read my comment again. You, apparently have completely missed the word "predator" in that comment. Are you now suggesting that Obama is a predator himself who organizes such evil things?

That is your own suggestion.
- Pissypants1
So, YOU took my post out of context and decided that I was blaming Obama for all the "beatings, rapes, etc.etc." without reading the whole post wrt the PREDATORS who gain entrance to women's bathrooms & locker rooms, and then go about their business of victimizing the innocent. Perhaps YOU are one of those predators who would delight in the new Obama mandate of allowing trannys, whether fake or not, entrance into such places. News reports already condemn Obama for what he has done to America
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016

I also note that I have NEVER discussed Physics issues with you, nor would I wish to.

You just did. Korsakov ?
Anyway, it is very wise that you attempt not to discuss physics with me.
- Pissypanties1
WHO is KORSAKOV?
You would be best in discussing the latest articles in the Ladies Home Journal with protoplasmix, rather than Physics.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
Your sitting on the fence and not taking sides is reasonable (for you), and yet illogical. Why get embroiled in arguments which might cause either side to turn on YOU.

You have the Bush mentality of with us or against us.
I have already seen you get down voted by your voting compadres when your post was not to their liking, and may have been due to its content.

So what? That's what voting is ABOUT. Mostly I get downvoted by the likes of you or Benni. (..)
And that's what voting is all ABOUT. I'm not out to win anything here.
But the argument was about the necessity of the ratings system which, as has been said by others, the ratings are fictional and are only based on personality and favoritism, not content and/or accuracy of cont.

It's a jungle out there... Guess they'll just have to deal with it.
Back to magnetic fields, please.
- Why'd
Only voted on you once or twice. I don't bother otherwise.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
From all the fuss about the ratings, and from the users who seem to complain the most about it, I'd say the ratings system is working exactly as intended.
- DSchneib
I have already said that I consider the rating system on Physorg irrelevant and only serves the Trolls and Cranks who base their vote on personality and favoritism, not on content.
Noumenon, OTOH, has every right to complain about the ratings that he gets from the Trolls and Cranks, since his comments deal completely with science and the article's topic. Personality and favoritism is what the ratings are all about. You don't like someone, give him a ONE, whether or not his Physics is accurate and on-the-money.
Perhaps you're right wrt to the rating system. The language of lies and innuendo from such as Otto and Strumpy, chileastro & others, may be a major draw for newcomers to the site who are potential customers for the site's advertisers and brings in more revenue.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (22) May 16, 2016
I am sorry that you have the lowest ratings of anyone on PO in the past decade. Is is unfair. Admittedly, I often take the trouble to downrate your every post
I think it's an example of natural selection. Except that in the wild, critically ill primates like pussytard get eaten or at least walk off cliffs. She doesn't even get banned anymore.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (23) May 16, 2016
they're interpretation is based upon pseudoscientific concepts such as moving and breaking field lines
@cd
1- pseudoscience is: "A collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method" per: http://www.oxford...oscience

2- magnetic reconnection: "(henceforth called "reconnection") refers to the breaking and reconnecting of oppositely directed magnetic field lines in a plasma. In the process, magnetic field energy is converted to plasma kinetic and thermal energy"
http://www.pppl.g...nnection

so what is seen & measured at PPPL is by far more empirical and evidenciary than your claims which aren't subjected to the scientific method or methodology, thus, by definition, are pseudoscience claims
the pseudoscience is due to the interpretation of the data,
only yours- reconnection is evidence based

Phys1
4.3 / 5 (18) May 16, 2016
Hi obama_socks. :)
Mate, with respect (really), starting in Reagan years, US has been going to pot.
- RC
Sorry but that is incorrect. Under Reagan, the US economy was growing and jobs were plentiful. The downturn began with Bill Clinton and got worse with GWBush, who had inherited Clinton's legacy.
(cont'd)

That is total misinformation. Under Reagan the USA debt exploded. His illegal arms deals laid the basis for present wars. Under Clinton the debt was curbed. Bush's war pushed the debt up and let the financial crisis hatch uninhibitedly. Obama inherited a financial disaster and had to print money to keep the country from collapsing.
Similar for the deficit.
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Phys1
4.2 / 5 (20) May 16, 2016
Perhaps YOU are one of those predators

See, there you go again. This is why I call you o_pervert.
who would delight in the new Obama mandate of allowing trannys, whether fake or not, entrance into such places.

So you confirm that you are one of those pathetic people who believe that thugs feel obliged to wait for permission from the Democrats to enter women's lavatories - dressed up as women - to rape and kill innocents.
News reports already condemn Obama for what he has done to America

Sure they do, pervert, but is it true what they say? Have ever considered the possibility that you are being conned? I would rate that possibility at 100%.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (17) May 16, 2016
I should emphasize @shavera's and my point here that it is perfectly valid to talk about what is happening either in terms of electrons and protons and the quantum EM field, or electrons and protons and the separate Maxwellian E and B (electrostatic and magnetic) fields. In the second context it makes sense to talk about "reconnection of magnetic field lines;" in the first, all the phenomena are talked about in terms of the motions of electrons and protons due to the unified quantum EM field. In either case, you will derive the same results; however, in certain contexts it may turn out to be more convenient to use one representation or the other. "Reconnection" should not be taken as indicating literal actions of magnetic fields on one another; it is a calculational tool that gives correct results. None of this is in any way controversial in the interpretation and understanding of electromagnetism physics.
Maggnus
4.4 / 5 (21) May 16, 2016
From all the fuss about the ratings, and from the users who seem to complain the most about it, I'd say the ratings system is working exactly as intended.


Haha yep!
RealityCheck
2.2 / 5 (23) May 16, 2016
Hi obama_socks. :)
Under Reagan, the US economy was growing and jobs were plentiful...
But those 'jobs' were being 'created/funded' by massive blowouts in Govt Deficits/Subsidies, not a 'free market capitalism' as Republicans pretend is their 'aim' ('against socialism' which in fact is better balanced system than what GOP/Republicans actually DO in govt).
The US has never had a truly Capitalist economic system. We have had "CRONY Capitalism" and that is a HUGE difference over true Capitalism.
I observed that very thing to ryggesogn2 many times; thanks for confirming it.
He has only made it possible for the US to be in greater debt to China and other nations after he drove our wealth out of the country that is in the form of JOBS.
You have it back-to-front, mate. The profiteering capitalists chased profits by 'offshoring' to slave labor/wages; and also to Tax Havens for dodging tax. These 'capitalist heroes' ruined the US.

More than enough blame all round. :)
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (20) May 16, 2016
Hi greenonions. :)

Thanks for saying you'll reconsider your 'ratings' participations. Much appreciated, mate. :)

Anyhow, as to people complaining about the system. I recall that when a victim or two tried to COUNTER the rates abuses, and started to rate to CANCEL out the troll downvotes/upvotes, it was the GANG of bot-voting downraters who COMPLAINED and squealed loudly and reported it and got the usernames banned!

See? It's a no-win situation for the vitims when THEY are blamed and the perpetrators are allowed. Double standards. The victims are blamed when complaining. They are blamed when fighting back. HOWEVER, at no stage does it seem to enter the equation that the downvoting trolls started it all by skewing the ratings metric ON A SCIENCE SITE.

This New Year I tried to get everyone to forget the past; start afresh, by rating only on science content and not the usual personality-voting which never ends well. Some have tried; but many still prefer bot-voting! Pity.
RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (19) May 16, 2016
Hi Phys1. :)
Still, also in this case the magnetic field does not perform work.
That post was in response to Da Schneib's statement; to point out that it's not as simplistic as his statement implied.

It's interesting to note that in the conventional theory the photon is the force carrier. It is also interesting to note that the LHC does accelerate (speed up) charged particles (so it does 'work' on those particles injected to it).

So it is interesting to consider that the Magnetic field is the 'force carrier' RESERVOIR 'built up' by the electro-magnets 'current carriers'; and that force carrier reservoir is 'discharged' in controlled fashion while speeding up the charged particles. And that Synchrotron Radiation is merely the 'excess force carrier' component 'shed' as the particles circle round perforce of the magnetic/photonic 'force carrier' energy input to the particles fluxing energy states during their speedup/turning through the magnetic 'force carrier' fields. :)
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
ok here it is the big lie
ok pussytard aka pussycat_eyes et al, here are a few bigger lies

"Nope...I have never denied being an Engineer. I earn over a quarter million dollars per year on the job as an Engineer" "Caltech...my old alma mater" ............................. "Oh, by the way, I have created two new user names for commenting...I will miss using my Obama_socks name" [as of 022213]"

"Another one of my children won several international high school engineering competitions and is now working towards becoming a engineering...I myself have engineering degree and have several patents."

-Please Google for the source.

Lots of fun, wot? Like making your own 'kick me' sign?
- OTTO FARTO
And?

Oh, you STILL didn't provide any evidence that I, or anyone else but YOU, have claimed belief in 900 FOOT GLASSY EYED MARTIANS. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE WITH THE CORRECT LINK, STUPID?
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
I am sorry that you have the lowest ratings of anyone on PO in the past decade. Is is unfair. Admittedly, I often take the trouble to downrate your every post
I think it's an example of natural selection. Except that in the wild, critically ill primates like pussytard get eaten or at least walk off cliffs. He doesn't even get banned anymore.
- Theghostofotto1923

REPORTED TO PHYS.ORG ADMINISTRATORS, MODERATORS for the continuous use of the offensive word, "pussytard".
The Phys.org advertisers will also hear about this continued use of offensive language.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
Perhaps YOU are one of those predators

See, there you go again. This is why I call you o_pervert.
who would delight in the new Obama mandate of allowing trannys, whether fake or not, entrance into such places.

So you confirm that you are one of those pathetic people who believe that thugs feel obliged to wait for permission from the Democrats to enter women's lavatories - dressed up as women - to rape and kill innocents.
News reports already condemn Obama for what he has done to America

Sure they do, pervert, but is it true what they say? Have ever considered the possibility that you are being conned? I would rate that possibility at 100%.
- Pissypants doubts
Are you saying that any news concerning Obama's mandate having a positive effect on the advancement of predatory incidents/occurrences, and the number of predatory attacks on the innocent, are all false? I have read several news reports of such incidents involving little girls.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
Hi obama_socks. :)
Under Reagan, the US economy was growing and jobs were plentiful...
But those 'jobs' were being 'created/funded' by massive blowouts in Govt Deficits/Subsidies, not a 'free market capitalism' as Republicans pretend is their 'aim' ('against socialism' which in fact is better balanced system than what GOP/Republicans actually DO in govt).
The US has never had a truly Capitalist economic system. We have had "CRONY Capitalism" and that is a HUGE difference over true Capitalism.
I observed that very thing to ryggesogn2 many times; thanks for confirming it.
He has only made it possible for the US to be in greater debt to China and other nations after he drove our wealth out of the country that is in the form of JOBS. [/q(..)The profiteering capitalists chased profits by 'offshoring' to slave labor/wages; and also to Tax Havens for dodging tax. These 'capitalist heroes' ruined the US.
- RC
Sorry, but I disagree. Obama IS a Socialist/Marxist
cantdrive85
1.5 / 5 (15) May 16, 2016
All you historians miss the big picture. The scourge of America all the way back to the early days has been the fractional reserve banking system. Beginning with the Revolution and then the War of 1812 which led to the first Bank of the US. The attempted assassination of Andrew Jackson, the Civil War and assassination of Lincoln. The Sixteenth Amendment to the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve banking system. The WW's, Great Depression, removal of the gold standard, Roosevelt, Kennedy assassination and the general moral, societal, and intelligence decay of the American Society.

Oh, and back to the topic. "Magnetic reconnection is still pseudoscience..."
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (25) May 17, 2016
Oh, and back to the topic. "Magnetic reconnection is still pseudoscience..."
continuing to repeat a lie don't make it more true

it makes you look like a fanatical pseudoscience cult promoter... especially as you've not been able to actually provide evidence supporting your oft-repeated false claim

Also note: http://www.pppl.g...nnection

if you open the link you will note that there is not only an abundance of supporting evidence from astrophysicists, but also electrical engineers and more..

the evidence is not speculative or *claims* but repeated and validated studies and experiments
http://www.pppl.g...nnection

quoting an old dead guy who was wrong and continuing to promote a false claim despite the overwhelming evidence is the height of pseudoscience

... of course, it is also how cults operate
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 17, 2016
@Strumpy
Your link to PPPL re Magnetic Reconnection offers one definition within 3 lines.
"Magnetic reconnection (reconnection) refers to the breaking and reconnecting of oppositely directed magnetic field lines in a plasma. In the process, magnetic field energy is converted to plasma kinetic and thermal energy."
The rest of the page involves PPPL Team recent events, accomplishments, awards, and membership meetings.
To the left there are categories such as, Climate change;Emergency planning, Fusion energy, ITER, and other links.
The first link on the right explains how the supercomputer will be used for research on various models to investigate such categories as Magnetic field formation.
But these haven't been carried out yet, although the potential is expected to provide evidences for the scientists' assertions/theories. But I see no evidence that it is a "done deal". Trials haven't started yet as of that writing in January 2016. Have you something more recent?
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 17, 2016
(cont'd)
The first and second links in orange are duplicates; the third and fourth links in orange are also duplicates of each other; fifth and sixth links - duplicates; the seventh link describes an annual meeting; eigth and ninth links - duplicates. Where is the "abundance of supporting evidence from astrophysicists, but also electrical engineers" that you imagined was in it?
Is this some kind of joke you're pulling, Strumpy?
So far, you have given no proof for your own assertions, but you've validated CDs modest opinion that "Magnetic reconnection is still pseudoscience...". You are lacking enough substantiation wrt magnetic reconnection...rendering your argument in favor of that hypothesis assailable.

You should look in your mirror when you say, "especially as you've not been able to actually provide evidence supporting your oft-repeated false claim."
Phys1
4.3 / 5 (17) May 17, 2016
Pissypants doubts

Are you saying that any news concerning Obama's mandate having a positive effect on the advancement of predatory incidents/occurrences, and the number of predatory attacks on the innocent, are all false? I have read several news reports of such incidents involving little girls.

Aha so you have read. All due to Obama.
I doubt your sanity, indeed. Your sense of humour is also symptomatic.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) May 17, 2016
Pissypants
Your post indicates that you have a problem accepting that the Marxist in the White House is the reason for the rise in gross immorality and mayhem in the US, and that it is his goal to convert the American way into something more in tune with Castro's Cuba. You should remove the cotton from your eyes and smell the coffee. Although you might be too old to change and you are settled into worship of Obama as he divides the country by encouraging jealousy and hate. His legacy sucks and I think he knows it.
cantdrive85
1.5 / 5 (17) May 17, 2016
@Strumpy
Your link to PPPL re Magnetic Reconnection offers one definition within 3 lines.
"Magnetic reconnection (reconnection) refers to the breaking and reconnecting of oppositely directed magnetic field lines in a plasma. In the process, magnetic field energy is converted to plasma kinetic and thermal energy.

LOL, Cap'n Stoopid has been posting that link as "proof" that MR is not pseudoscience. Since he is Cap'n of the Stoopids he is completely incapable of understanding the definition of MR included on the site is the perfect example of blatant pseudoscience. Field lines do not exist, yet here they are claiming the lines move and break and release energy in the process. The irony is almost as great as Cap'n Stoopid's stupidity. What's especially neat about Cap'n Stoopid as that he'll post random links to blogs and/or nothing in particular and and state he has proven something. Then he'll turn around and demand primary sources to counter his "proof". Stoopid is stupid!
AGreatWhopper
3 / 5 (22) May 17, 2016
Eat shit and bark at the moon, cantthink. You contribute nothing. Your drivel is entirely without merit. Get the hell off this site.

BTW, can anyone tell which is more stupid, antisciencegorilla or cantthink? Neither can I. I think there's a good reason for that.

Obama_rocks is definitely the most stupid person that fouls the site, though. You really have to feel for his wife and kids being seen with him in public. Still, the economy is good there in the Deep South and there's a chance even he will eventually get a job and have something else to do but troll PO.
Garrote
3.3 / 5 (24) May 17, 2016
The whining about the ratings seems to only come from lifelong losers. I guess when you have never accomplished anything, it counts for something. I've never once, NEVER ONCE, on this site, seen anyone with a shred of real world cred even notice the ratings. The losers, narcissists, spammers and gamers are the only ones that notice or care.
jim_xanara
3 / 5 (18) May 17, 2016
obama_socks 1 / 5 (2) 10 hours ago
Pissypants
Your post indicates that you have a problem accepting that the Marxist in the White House is the reason for the rise in gross immorality and mayhem in the US


Definitely the most stupid on here. He's going to get a real shock when he dies and approaches the throne of God and she says, "Who dat?", and gets assigned the same cubicle in Hell with a Muslim suicide bomber. Them rednecks dream about virgins too only they call them sisters and cousins, and they aren't virgins.
jim_xanara
3 / 5 (20) May 17, 2016
Da Schneib 5 /5 (12) May 16, 2016
From all the fuss about the ratings, and from the users who seem to complain the most about it, I'd say the ratings system is working exactly as intended.


Absolutely! The reason for the commotion is that it directly cuts to the heart of trolling. Trolling is about posting emotionally provocative material, just to be doing so, no bona fide conversation. So when a troll leaves irritated, it's a huge fail. Put another way, the PO trolls are such losers that they end up shooting themselves in the foot. You're supposed to make us irritated, losers, not yourselves.

Of course we knew our trolls were pitiful. When the bulk are EU cranks and "deniers", chief of which is terrified of Al Gore, you're dealing with a pretty pitiful lot.
ChiefFartingDog
May 17, 2016
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TheGhostofOtto1923
4.5 / 5 (16) May 17, 2016
I think it's an example of natural selection. Except that in the wild, critically ill primates like pussytard get eaten or at least walk off cliffs. He doesn't even get banned anymore.
- Theghostofotto1923
Oh how coy. Pussytard changes 'she' to 'he' in my original post.

You're a woman. And from the extent of your bulletproof self-deception, a morbidly obese one.

And you're using only the latest of a long string of banned aliases beginning with pirouette and including pussycat_eyes. Same MO, same daily floods of ignorant drivel about conspiracy politics and martians.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) May 17, 2016
Eat shit and bark at the moon, cantthink. You contribute nothing. Your drivel is entirely without merit. Get the hell off this site.

BTW, can anyone tell which is more stupid, antisciencegorilla or cantthink? Neither can I. I think there's a good reason for that.

Obama_rocks is definitely the most stupid person that fouls the site, though. You really have to feel for his wife and kids being seen with him in public. Still, the economy is good there in the Deep South and there's a chance even he will eventually get a job and have something else to do but troll PO.
- Otto's golem, AGreatWhopper (eats at Barker Dung)

Your retort to my posts is typical of a non-thinking oaf who has no clue himself and is willing to swallow any kind of horseshit without any comprehension of the fact that science changes results on an almost daily basis.
As I don't live in the "Deep South" I have no idea what you're referring to. And my private life is MY business, not yours.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) May 17, 2016
I think it's an example of natural selection. Except that in the wild, critically ill primates like pussytard get eaten or at least walk off cliffs. He doesn't even get banned anymore.
- Theghostofotto1923
Oh how coy. Pussytard changes 'she' to 'he' in my original post.

You're a woman. And from the extent of your bulletproof self-deception, a morbidly obese one.

And you're using only the latest of a long string of banned aliases beginning with pirouette and including pussycat_eyes. Same MO, same daily floods of ignorant drivel about conspiracy politics and martians.
- Otto the Nazi

Prove it. Oh, you STILL didn't provide any evidence that I, or anyone else but YOU, have claimed belief in 900 FOOT GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS. SO WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE WITH THE CORRECT LINK, STUPID? I have searched old threads and the only one who ever claimed seeing 900 foot glassy headed martians in NASA photos IS YOU. You thought you were making fun of the owner of the Photos.

obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) May 17, 2016
obama_socks 1 / 5 (2) 10 hours ago
Pissypants
Your post indicates that you have a problem accepting that the Marxist in the White House is the reason for the rise in gross immorality and mayhem in the US


Definitely the most stupid on here. He's going to get a real shock when he dies and approaches the throne of God and she says, "Who dat?", and gets assigned the same cubicle in Hell with a Muslim suicide bomber. Them rednecks dream about virgins too only they call them sisters and cousins, and they aren't virgins.
- stupid jim_xanara (Otto's golem)
Phys1
4.4 / 5 (13) May 17, 2016
the Marxist in the White House is the reason for the rise in gross immorality and mayhem in the US, and that it is his goal to convert the American way into something more in tune with Castro's Cuba. ... worship of Obama as he divides the country by encouraging jealousy and hate. His legacy sucks and I think he knows it.

So Obama is the antichrist under the rock where you live.
Are you a Klan member?
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) May 17, 2016
HURRY UP AND GIVE US THE EVIDENCE, OTTO.
PROVE to all these people who are your ass-kissers that your "claims" are true.
Give them a good reason to bow down and worship you as their god, Otto.
Better make it quick, Otto. Your time in the flesh you occupy is short, and DON'T think that you can run and hide in someone else's flesh to avoid detection. We KNOW where you are, and WHO you are. Time is growing short, Otto. We will be coming for you. We can stick you back into that hole you were in while a thousand years passed, Otto. Remember that lion who kept you from escaping until you were allowed to go? He's still waiting for you.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) May 17, 2016
the Marxist in the White House is the reason for the rise in gross immorality and mayhem in the US, and that it is his goal to convert the American way into something more in tune with Castro's Cuba. ... worship of Obama as he divides the country by encouraging jealousy and hate. His legacy sucks and I think he knows it.

So Obama is the antichrist under the rock where you live.
Are you a Klan member?
- Pissypanties1

Really? Why, I never would have even DREAMT that obama is the antichrist. He wasn't an antichrist under MY rock. So I assume that Obama is the antichrist under the rock where YOU live. Do you have many insects that live with you under YOUR rock? Any worms and other crawly creatures?
Now, MY rock is nice and clean. My wife keeps a very clean rock and she doesn't allow insects and worms like yours in our rock. Our kids play outside of our rock. Now don't get jealous.
It cost me plenty to buy that rock, but it is worth all that dough.
AGreatWhopper
2.9 / 5 (19) May 17, 2016
obama_socks1 / 5 (3) 2 hours ago
And my private life is MY business, not yours.


Wrong. Troll a site with hundreds of posting designed only to provoke emotion and you put yourself in the public domain. Make a problem of yourself and you make it our task to deal with the rude anonymous coward.

I hear Pandora Hagadakis is doing quite well since deleting her account here. She's reputed to have ryggesogn's nuts in a jar over her fireplace. In your case she'll be able to use a snuff box.
Phys1
4.4 / 5 (13) May 17, 2016
So Obama is the antichrist under the rock where you live.
Are you a Klan member?
- Pissypanties1

Really? Why, I never would have even DREAMT that obama is the antichrist. He wasn't an antichrist under MY rock. So I assume that Obama is the antichrist under the rock where YOU live.
I don't live under a rock, I have no obscure extremism to hide.
I ask because you reason like an extremist.
All you can produce is an echo.
Don't you have any words of your own?
Phys1
4.4 / 5 (13) May 17, 2016
a non-thinking oaf who has no clue himself and is willing to swallow any kind of horseshit

precisely the public that you are writing for !
jim_xanara
3 / 5 (18) May 17, 2016
katesisco2 /5 (12) May 16, 2016
The crack in the dam of gravity star formation.


The only crack on this thread is the one you're fingering. Try concentrating more on what it says next time and less on the fact that your batteries are running down again.
RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (17) May 17, 2016
Hi obama_socks. :)

In politics/economies, its all the crooks/crazies, on all 'sides', which creates tragedy, loss and mayhem. So there is more than enough blame to go round, irrespective of which is the 'least worst' political system. Moreover, it's these crooks, whether in communism, capitalism or socialism, that we should be attacking, not each other. We are their victims. We are all in the same boat. We babble and fall for the political scams while they profit and we pretend that we are on the right 'side'. That's exactly how they can keep screwing us all while we bicker. They divide and conquer; and we fall for it every time/election.

Anyway, political intrusions into science thread is detracting/distracting from any credibility in your science/logic arguments you post. It provides a point of attack to your detractors/distractors and your science point is buried/lost.

Politics and science (like religion and reason) don't mix well in discussion. Leave them out, mate. :)
RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (16) May 17, 2016
The whining about the ratings seems to only come from lifelong losers. I guess when you have never accomplished anything, it counts for something. I've never once, NEVER ONCE, on this site, seen anyone with a shred of real world cred even notice the ratings. The losers, narcissists, spammers and gamers are the only ones that notice or care.


Hey there, troll. Your opinion does not accord with the reality of the last few years. Not only have I been proven correct on science/logics, but also on observations of gangs of downrating bot-voters who were the very loudest complainers hwen some of their victims tried to use the same tactics on them. So you see, double standards are skewing your perception of the reality. Maybe, if the whingeing gangs initially responsible for all this downrating tactics and trolling of the persons instead of arguing the science ideas/contents, were to stop what they are doing, then no-one will have cause to complain or fight back in kind. :)
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (14) May 17, 2016
the Marxist in the White House is the reason for the rise in gross immorality and mayhem in the US, and that it is his goal to convert the American way into something more in tune with Castro's Cuba. ... worship of Obama as he divides the country by encouraging jealousy and hate.
Yeah, Obama's responsible for it because he's being President while black. /sarcasm

And BTW the gross immorality and mayhem seems to be mostly going on at Trump rallies.

jim_xanara
3.1 / 5 (21) May 17, 2016
DS, that's not how "morality" works to right wing nuts. "Morality" is about YOUR behavior, never theirs. Morality is for blacks and women and Mexicans and other types prone to weak character and keeps them from raping middle class white women. When they force a women to have sex to save her job, that's just human nature. Morality is for "the other". It's cheaper behavioral control than the army.

The comment that was on one of the other threads about their hypocrisy being to them what martial arts are to a Shaolin monk was spot on. Of course they don't think it's hypocrisy. It's like gen X'ers thinking you're not lying when you say something blatantly untrue...because it was a stupid question. It's not hypocrisy because their targets aren't humans in the same sense they perceive themselves to be.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 17, 2016
obama_socks1 / 5 (3) 2 hours ago
And my private life is MY business, not yours.


Wrong. Troll a site with hundreds of posting designed only to provoke emotion and you put yourself in the public domain. Make a problem of yourself and you make it our task to deal with the rude anonymous coward.

I hear Pandora Hagadakis is doing quite well since deleting her account here. She's reputed to have ryggesogn's nuts in a jar over her fireplace. In your case she'll be able to use a snuff box.
- AGr8Whopper (eats at Buggery King)
I LIKE being in the public domain. Seems more like it is YOU and your posse of down raters that is da BIG problem here in Physorg.
Pandora, eh? Never heard of him. Your bearded sister maybe?
Emotion? I don't offer my opinion with emotion as YOU seem to be doing. You should become an actor so that you can cry on cue.
LMAO
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
So Obama is the antichrist under the rock where you live.
Are you a Klan member?
- Pissypanties1

Really? Why, I never would have even DREAMT that obama is the antichrist. He wasn't an antichrist under MY rock. So I assume that Obama is the antichrist under the rock where YOU live.

I don't live under a rock, I have no obscure extremism to hide.
I ask because you reason like an extremist.
All you can produce is an echo.
Don't you have any words of your own? - Pissypanties1
Now don't lie. OF COURSE you live under a rock. Your sour countenance and psychopathic need for attention and validation of your "talents" in Physorg threads are proof enough that you live under a rock...maybe as a hermit. Or maybe you dance on street corners for the passing cars, hoping to be picked up, like Pandora Haggadah (Haggis?)
LMAO
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
a non-thinking oaf who has no clue himself and is willing to swallow any kind of horseshit

precisely the public that you are writing for !
- PP1
...and the writing of which you are reading...and I might add, enjoying!
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
katesisco2 /5 (12) May 16, 2016
The crack in the dam of gravity star formation.


The only crack on this thread is the one you're fingering. Try concentrating more on what it says next time and less on the fact that your batteries are running down again.
- jim_xanara

Uh...in defense of the hapless katesisco2, how exactly DO you know what katesisco is fingering? Did you get some sort of premonition? Anything mystical? You seem to know a lot about what strangers are doing. Do you work for NSA?
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
Hi obama_socks. :)

In politics/economies, its all the crooks/crazies, on all 'sides', which creates tragedy, loss and mayhem. So there is more than enough blame to go round, irrespective of which is the 'least worst' political system. Moreover, it's these crooks, whether in communism, capitalism or socialism, that we should be attacking, not each other. We are their victims. We are all in the same boat. We babble and fall for the political scams while they profit and we pretend that we are on the right 'side'. That's exactly how they can keep screwing us all while we bicker. They divide and conquer; and we fall for it every time/election.
- RC
Comes the time when there are ONLY HONEST politicians, agencies, bankers, educators, the world may have a chance at surviving. But it's not in the cards, my friend. And it's CRONY Capitalism, NOT True Capitalism/Free Marketism that you should be against. There IS a major difference. Rygg2 always preached for True Capitalism.

Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
So if Obama's so responsible for mayhem, how come violent crimes have decreased 13% while he's been President?

So much for claims of "immorality and mayhem." @obama_sucker is lying, out and out, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

Source:
http://www.factch...-update/

Original source, FBI crime statistics:
https://www.fbi.g.../table-1
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
(cont'd)
@RealityCheck
[qAnyway, political intrusions into science thread is detracting/distracting from any credibility in your science/logic arguments you post. It provides a point of attack to your detractors/distractors and your science point is buried/lost.

Politics and science (like religion and reason) don't mix well in discussion. Leave them out, mate. :) - RC

But, like Michael Corleone in "The Godfather3" said about the Italian Mob: (paraphrasing) "Every time I think I'm finally out of it, they always pull me back in".
IOW, there is the Science of Politics that some people just have to address, even in a Physics thread. I don't mind it. My wife and I talk about politics a lot. It's on the radio, TV, internet, and even people talking politics in public places. You can't escape it.
BTW, do you agree with my opinion on space/time as full of holes?
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
Now you see why I have you on ignore, @obama_sucker. Just another conservatoid liar. You don't even deserve the name conservative; you are a conservative-like object. Real conservatives should gather in a circle around you and spit on you until you are drenched.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
the Marxist in the White House is the reason for the rise in gross immorality and mayhem in the US, and that it is his goal to convert the American way into something more in tune with Castro's Cuba. ... worship of Obama as he divides the country by encouraging jealousy and hate.
Yeah, Obama's responsible for it because he's being President while black. /sarcasm

And BTW the gross immorality and mayhem seems to be mostly going on at Trump rallies.

- DaSchneib
You should stick to Physics. You suck on politics when you don't understand what is really going on but think you do.
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
@obama_sucker, I understand your politics well enough. I just despise them. They're the politics of racial, gender, and religious division, greed, lying, jealousy, hate, violence, and whining.
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
Oh, and amusingly I get a 1-star rating for posting FBI statistics that @obama_sucker doesn't like.

What are you, about 12? Your politics sure looks like it.
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
BTW if @obama_sucker was smart enough to find his azzhole with both hands and a mirror, he'd notice that I won't take him off ignore long enough to even bother downrating his posts.

My rating of everything he posts is zero.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
BTW if @obama_sucker was smart enough to find his azzhole with both hands and a mirror, he'd notice that I won't take him off ignore long enough to even bother downrating his posts.

My rating of everything he posts is zero.
-DSchneib
Always has been; nothing new. And you're contradicting yourself but you're too stupid to notice.
So - you have a fascination with azzholes, eh?
Does that mean you got buggered by Strumpy? Or was it the other way around, eh?
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
Snicker. 12-year-old "politics" on full view, right out in front of God and everybody, no shame, no questions, no doubts left to hide behind. Thanks for confirming everything I just said, @obama_sucker. What a dumbazz. Were you born an idiot, or did you have to practice?
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
@obama_sucker, I understand your politics well enough. I just despise them. They're the politics of racial, gender, and religious division, greed, lying, jealousy, hate, violence, and whining.
- DShmoe
No you don't. You don't understand a thing about American politics. A Goody Two-Shoes like you are the cause of my nation getting suckered into voting for a lying, nation-destroying, racist, crime-loving, idiot who wants the nation overrun with terror rists and disease-ridden illegals because he doesn't want to close the border with Mexico. Just keep them coming, says Obama. Plenty of room for cheap labor right here to pick lettuce and other fruit and veggies so that farmers won't have to pay the minimum wage for American workers.
Right, you THINK you know American politics, but you know nothing of it.
Stick to Physics. That's all you're good at, if even that.
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
I have to thank you, @obama_sucker, while I've been reading and writing, I've listened to Smuggler's Blues and You Belong To the City, and right now I'm listening to Your Own Special Way. Music to taunt you by. :D

Meanwhile, thanks for the compliment:
A Goody Two-Shoes like you
I appreciate that. You do realize you just admitted I'm better than you, right?
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
So if Obama's so responsible for mayhem, how come violent crimes have decreased 13% while he's been President?

So much for claims of "immorality and mayhem." @obama_sucker is lying, out and out, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

Source:
http://www.factch...-update/
- DS
Ok, I'll bite. The crime statistics given out by your factcheck crapola website are phony, and designed to make it look good for Obama's legacy. The crime incidents are still high, but the cops are too scared to make arrests for fear that they will be ostracized and be already tried and convicted for doing their job by the MSM and those like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and other phony baloney "clerics" whose only interest is fomenting trouble and encouraging their communities to riot, burn buildings and beat up on every White they can find. There are less arrests of criminal activities now than ever before, & innocent people are being killed by their own kind. Happy?
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (14) May 18, 2016
your factcheck crapola website
You apparently didn't notice they're taken from the FBI crime statistics.

It's typical that you'd try to avoid discussing the actual data, and symptomatic as well.

The video of Your Own Special Way on Mike Donahue is really cool. They left out the ending, though, so I went and listened to the original version from Wind and Wuthering. I actually like Genesis better with Peter, but I have to say that he wasn't the entire driving force behind the band. I think Mike Rutherford had a lot more influence than he's originally credited with.
Phys1
4.3 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
And it's CRONY Capitalism, NOT True Capitalism/Free Marketism that you should be against. There IS a major difference.

Communists always say that True Communism is good but the world has only seen Crony Communism so far. They fail to see that also True Communism is totally flawed, much like you fail to see that True Capitalism is.
You suck as much at politics as at science, if not more.
Phys1
4.3 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
So Obama is the antichrist under the rock where you live.
Are you a Klan member?
- Pissypanties1

Really? Why, I never would have even DREAMT that obama is the antichrist. He wasn't an antichrist under MY rock. So I assume that Obama is the antichrist under the rock where YOU live.

I don't live under a rock, I have no obscure extremism to hide.

Culturally, you live under a rock, much like a scorpion. You come out to sting only. Already your alias is a sting. You are unable to formulate a thought of your own. All you can do is repeat what others say. You are played like a sucker, because you are too scared to think, clinging to your imaginary truths like a man drowning at sea clings to a wreck. Therefore you do not last in a debate for more than half a line. You hate to see talents in others. You are practically a psychopath.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
I have to thank you, @obama_sucker, while I've been reading and writing, I've listened to Smuggler's Blues and You Belong To the City, and right now I'm listening to Your Own Special Way. Music to taunt you by. :D

Meanwhile, thanks for the compliment:
A Goody Two-Shoes like you
I appreciate that. You do realize you just admitted I'm better than you, right?

Compliment? COMPLIMENT? LMAO. You should look up the meaning, It also means that you're a weak-sister; a pussyman; a smugly or obtrusively virtuous person; a goody-goody. In other words, I called you a coward; a self-righteous pompous ass.
That's your compliment.
Phys1
4.3 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
Psycho's are indeed constantly "LMAO".
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
It also means that you're a weak-sister; a pussyman; a smugly or obtrusively virtuous person; a goody-goody.
No, it means I actually believe and try to live all the stuff in the Babble supposedly written by the super magic sky daddy you claim to believe in. Even though I don't believe the book was written by anybody but stone age sheep herders who ate too many magic mushrooms.

You are not only disgusting, you are incapable of living the life you say you believe in. Worse yet, I don't even believe your bullshizz and I'm better at it than you are.

Pitiful.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
your factcheck crapola website
You apparently didn't notice they're taken from the FBI crime statistics.

It's typical that you'd try to avoid discussing the actual data, and symptomatic as well.

The video of Your Own Special Way on Mike Donahue is really cool. They left out the ending, though, so I went and listened to the original version from Wind and Wuthering. I actually like Genesis better with Peter, but I have to say that he wasn't the entire driving force behind the band. I think Mike Rutherford had a lot more influence than he's originally credited with.


LOL The FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, DHS, EPA, BLM FEMA, and the Department of Education, etc. etc. are ALL in the pockets of the Obama Regime. Bought and paid for. That's to keep the Democrats and their corrupt allies in power so that they can further destroy the US. You are obviously a foreigner since you didn't know this.
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (13) May 18, 2016
Conspiracy theories are something 12-year-olds grow out of.

Have you actually ever met an FBI agent? I have.

They're lawyers, first and foremost. All that crap you see in the movies has nothing to do with reality. You buy it lock stock and barrel. Typical 12-year-old.
Phys1
4.4 / 5 (13) May 18, 2016
@obama_hater
Who told you this, boy? The Grand Wizard ? Your local Ayatollah?
Come out of the closet, you redneck.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
So Obama is the antichrist under the rock where you live.
Are you a Klan member?
- Pissypanties1

Really? Why, I never would have even DREAMT that obama is the antichrist. He wasn't an antichrist under MY rock. So I assume that Obama is the antichrist under the rock where YOU live.

I don't live under a rock, I have no obscure extremism to hide.

Culturally, you live under a rock, much like a scorpion. You come out to sting only. Already your alias is a sting. You are unable to formulate a thought of your own. All you can do is repeat what others say. You are played like a sucker, because you are too scared to think, clinging to your imaginary truths like a man drowning at sea clings to a wreck. Therefore you do not last in a debate for more than half a line. You hate to see talents in others. You are practically a psychopath.
- Pissypanties
Of course you live under a rock, LMAO
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) May 18, 2016
Psycho's are indeed constantly "LMAO".
- piss in da pants1
And it takes a psycho to talk constantly to another psycho who types LMAO

Hey why don't you and DaSchneebo get a room at a vermin infested motel and bring your friends who never say anything sciencey, but only are here to talk bs and give you FIVES.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) May 18, 2016
It also means that you're a weak-sister; a pussyman; a smugly or obtrusively virtuous person; a goody-goody.
No, it means I actually believe and try to live all the stuff in the Babble supposedly written by the super magic sky daddy you claim to believe in. Even though I don't believe the book was written by anybody but stone age sheep herders who ate too many magic mushrooms.

You are not only disgusting, you are incapable of living the life you say you believe in. Worse yet, I don't even believe your bullshizz and I'm better at it than you are.

Pitiful.


And you're entitled to your own opinion. Still more phony baloney shiit from you that is supposed to pass for intellect.
Super magic sky daddy, huh? We shall see.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) May 18, 2016
Conspiracy theories are something 12-year-olds grow out of.

Have you actually ever met an FBI agent? I have.

They're lawyers, first and foremost. All that crap you see in the movies has nothing to do with reality. You buy it lock stock and barrel. Typical 12-year-old.
- DS

Actually I have and still do. And that's all you need to know.
LOL I think that DaScheebo and Pissypants are in the same room with their computers side by side, and are married to each other; only coming into Physorg to pretend they don't know one another so that they can show off what they know about Physics and argue with other posters. Then they both give each other FIVES.
LMAO
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (14) May 18, 2016
And you're entitled to your own opinion.
It's not my opinion, it's the opinion repeatedly expressed in the Babble you claim was written by Jebus.

You don't even have the integrity to admit you're a lot further from living like it tells you you're supposed to than I am, or else you're too stupid to notice. Either way, your own beliefs say you're going to hell; since I'm doing it better than you, I'm not. I'm a Goody Two Shoes, remember? You're gonna regret saying that to me a long, long time. I'll remember to mention it every time I see your sorry azz.

BTW, Lyin' Eyes just now. The full version with all 3 verses. 1977 on stage, Glenn and the boyz stick it hard.

My oh my, you sure know how to arrange things,
You set it up all so well, so carefully;
Ain't it funny how you knew that didn't change things,
You're still the same old boy you used to be.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (14) May 18, 2016
It is a common trick, from what I have heard. For a couple of trolls to get into a website where they pretend they are strangers, and then proceed to try to fool everyone. That's why Pissy and Schneebo are so often seen talking exclusively to each other and very rarely to others except to insult others and give them ONES. That's also pretty common in other news sites where each one will take one stance and the other does the opposite, and they go at each other, often name calling, just like here on Physorg. It's not surprising that Physorg has those kind of people here also. Sad, but true.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
IN THE MEANTIME, where the hell is Otto with the evidence/proof that I told him to give us the links where I ever said anything about believing in 900 foot tall glassy eyed martians.
HEY OTTO, WE'RE WAITING FOR YOU AND YOUR PROOF.
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (13) May 18, 2016
I been on this site a hell of a lot longer than you have, @obama_sucker. You're making up lies again. Everybody can see, if they bother to even read your shizz; I usually don't myself, but I like to swat trolls every so often, and you're an easy target.

And remember, I have you on ignore so I don't even give you ones; I give you zeroes. Try to keep up.
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (14) May 18, 2016
Now listening to Hotel California, watching Don Felder play the melody on a 12-string, capoed on the 7th fret just like I do it on my Boca. He's got a double-neck, so he can do the duel, and the duet, with Joe Walsh at the end. I have to switch axes because I'm too cheap to buy a double-neck.

Enjoying baiting @obama_sucker with musical accompaniment. Great stuff. Remember, o'sucker, for every field there is a ground. You're the zero and I'm the one.
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (14) May 18, 2016
Now Desperado.

Don'cha draw the Queen of Diamonds, boy,
She'll beat'cha if she's able
Y'know the Queen of Hearts is always your best bet.
An' now it seems to me some fine things
Have been laid upon your table,
But'cha always want the ones that you can't get...

Good advice, o'sucker. Come down from your fences.

I'd rather have your ones than my zeroes. Thanks for that. It proves everything I'm saying is right. And you just can't restrain yourself. You got so much to learn, and it's incredibly likely you'll never ever learn it.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (15) May 18, 2016
I been on this site a hell of a lot longer than you have, @obama_sucker. You're making up lies again. Everybody can see, if they bother to even read your shizz; I usually don't myself, but I like to swat trolls every so often, and you're an easy target.

And remember, I have you on ignore so I don't even give you ones; I give you zeroes. Try to keep up.
- Schneibo
Good that you can't see what I'm saying because I've been registered and using this site since Feb. 2012 and I've been reading the Physorg articles and comments since early 2006. So you say you're on this site longer than me - since August 2014? Do you have to take your shoes off to count to 20? LMAO
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (14) May 18, 2016
And freedom? Oh, freedom,
Well, that's just some people talkin'.
Your prison is walkin'
Through this world all alone.

I can't imagine a better characterization of you, @o'sucker. Maybe you should stop beating your wife and children and start actually doing what it says in your Babble. Beating people up is pretty bad, and it leads to hell.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (14) May 18, 2016
And out; so much for @o'sucker.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.8 / 5 (17) May 18, 2016
Prove it. Oh, you STILL didn't provide any evidence that I, or anyone else but YOU, have claimed belief in 900 FOOT GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS. SO WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE WITH THE CORRECT LINK, STUPID? I have searched old threads and the only one who ever claimed seeing 900 foot glassy headed martians in NASA photos IS YOU
Nah I posted what you said. And when you originally said it, others pointed out that because of the scale and angle, those martians of yours would have had to be 900ft tall and lying down.

How come you forgot that?
Phys1
4.6 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
Apologies, the review is from 2005.
Phys1
4.6 / 5 (11) May 18, 2016
LOL I think that ..

Whatever is happening in your brains, it is not thinking.
LMAO

QED.
Phys1
4.7 / 5 (12) May 18, 2016
It is a common trick

How many sockpuppets do you have then?
That's why Pissy and Schneebo are so often seen talking exclusively to each other

It is not unusual that people talk to each other. Remember, this is what talk is for.
and very rarely to others except to insult others and give them ONES.

Others like o_turd. Well you fully deserve all the disgust coming your way, redneck.
... those kind of people here also. Sad, but true.

I agree. You should improve the blog and make yourself scarse.
BongThePuffin
May 19, 2016
This comment has been removed by a moderator.
john berry_hobbes
2.9 / 5 (21) May 19, 2016
Why can't they identify spam that isn't commercial? That consummate idiot shootist puts the exact same misquote in every last thing he posts. How is that not spam and why would any site not block that account? They can disable posting, but leave the account active. Why wouldn't you do that when you have some self serving crap in every.last.post the idiot ever makes?
john berry_hobbes
2.9 / 5 (21) May 19, 2016
BongPuffin, if that's true, then he's caught out as a premeditated liar. To whit:

obama_socks 1.7 /5 (6) 22 hours ago
It is a common trick, from what I have heard


He was talking about sock puppets and is consciously trying to portray his knowledge of the practice as second hand and something that trolls do. Looking at the earliest time stamps on that account, he must have created it within minutes of writing that.
AGreatWhopper
3 / 5 (22) May 19, 2016
obama_socks 1.8 /5 (5) May 18, 2016

Ok, I'll bite.


Might as well. You already suck.
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (14) May 19, 2016
LOL Did you guys miss me? My wife suggested that I should change my nick. It was getting too old anyway and Obama doesn't have much time left as POTUS.

BongPuffin, if that's true, then he's caught out as a premeditated liar. To whit:

obama_socks 1.7 /5 (6) 22 hours ago
It is a common trick, from what I have heard


He was talking about sock puppets and is consciously trying to portray his knowledge of the practice as second hand and something that trolls do. Looking at the earliest time stamps on that account, he must have created it within minutes of writing that.
- john berry_hobbes
Actually, I haven't told any lies about anyone. The sock puppets I was referring to are ALL the work of Theghostofotto1923. I have a very long list of all the sock puppets he ever made going back to 2010. He still makes new ones and talks through them. But you guys aren't interested in Otto, right? You're scared of him, so you hit out at me and some others. Admit it.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (12) May 19, 2016
Prove it. Oh, you STILL didn't provide any evidence that I, or anyone else but YOU, have claimed belief in 900 FOOT GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS. SO WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE WITH THE CORRECT LINK, STUPID? I have searched old threads and the only one who ever claimed seeing 900 foot glassy headed martians in NASA photos IS YOU
Nah I posted what you said. And when you originally said it, others pointed out that because of the scale and angle, those martians of yours would have had to be 900ft tall and lying down.

How come you forgot that?
Theghostootto1923
Forget what? You never posted the link to prove it. I have read the comments you made from years ago when you started making your claims that Pirouette had talked about 900 foot glassy headed martians. There is NO indication whatsoever that she or anyone else ever said that.
IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG, making up lies to hurt that poor lady, and you got away with it, didn't you. WHERE IS THE LINK TO PROVE YOUR CLAIM, OTTO?
Otto_Szucks
1.3 / 5 (13) May 19, 2016
He created Otto_Szucks yesterday for that purpose.

Hey, compost is gone today and that has to make us hopeful that we will soon have threads that are not fouled by o_turd and cant think and anyone else we disagree with who have no right to come on OUR Phys.org without OUR permission and post their alternative opinions of science when WE KNOW that they are all wrong because OUR view of science is FACT and the ONLY right one that will NEVER CHANGE. Theghostofotto is our god and master and will protect us from the scourge of newcomers into Phys.org who post their opinions just to upset us. Theghostofotto is our friend and so are all his sock puppets. Praise be.
- BongThePuffin
NiteSkyGerl
2.8 / 5 (22) May 19, 2016
The sock puppets I was referring to are ALL the work of Theghostofotto1923.


He must by schizo, then, because he gets "1"s from the people you're calling his puppets every time he starts getting all hot and bothered with George, if you cared to notice the actual data.

Oh, that's right. You're a unemployed right wing lobotomy parrot. You w(h)orship people that say, "Facts are stupid things". True, if the person is talking about the fact of your presence on this site.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (12) May 19, 2016
The sock puppets I was referring to are ALL the work of Theghostofotto1923.


He must by schizo, then, because he gets "1"s from the people you're calling his puppets every time he starts getting all hot and bothered with George, if you cared to notice the actual data.

Oh, that's right. You're a unemployed right wing lobotomy parrot. You w(h)orship people that say, "Facts are stupid things". True, if the person is talking about the fact of your presence on this site.
- NiteSkyGerl

Yes, I agree that Theghostofotto1923 IS a schizo. That's the reason for all his sock puppets. There's more to it, but that's just a starter. George doesn't know when to quit bragging about his "alleged" stuff and just learn about the science like I'm doing.
Nope, I'm very much employed in the aerospace industry. I'm also an inventor and have several patents. Do you enjoy insulting any posters who may actually be unemployed for whatever reason?
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (12) May 19, 2016
Oh by the way, NSG, I gave you a FIVE which brought you to 4.2. Don't know if that helps but I applaud your questioning and giving me the opportunity to give you the facts of the matter.
Why would I worship anyone who says "stupid things"? It's really not my role to tutor anyone how to behave. That's why I don't care how many ONES I get from Theghostofotto and his sock puppets and any others who have an ax to grind.
Anyone who gives me a FIVE due to the content of my posts...that FIVE gets lost in all the ONES, so it's a waste of time and they know it.
MalleusConspiratori
2.3 / 5 (15) May 19, 2016
This is becoming surreal.

obama_socks 1.6 /5 (14) May 16, 2016

- OTTO FARTO
And?


lol You are a real prince of prolixity.
MalleusConspiratori
2.5 / 5 (16) May 19, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 3.8 /5 (19) May 16, 2016

"semi-transparent, not translucent. We also have independent, PROFESSIONAL verification as to the existence of the humanoids in the Mars pictures"

-As if she's proud of being a vegetable with fingers for typing.


She's proud of being whatever she conceptualizes her identity group as being and perceives it to be a core tenant of that group that extraterrestrials exist and are present now in the vicinity of earth. This is why you can't argue with the cranks. You can't argue assumptions. When you share assumptions you can argue about deductions from those assumptions, but if you could prove/disprove assumptions they wouldn't be assumptions. German geometers tried in the 19th century and they didn't get contradictions, they got different geometries. New "welt gestalten", or paradigms as Thomas Kuhn called them.
MalleusConspiratori
2.7 / 5 (17) May 19, 2016
[cont]

This is why you can't argue about AGW with people like obamas_socksmell. He clearly hates Obama. Look at antisciencegorilla and the way he's obsessed with Al Gore. They always ask who's talking and have no concept of how to judge a proposition based on its own merits. If someone they hate cares about it, and their own reference group doesn't, the facts don't count. It's been decided. They stand with their identity group and work backwards from an a priori conclusion, cherry picking data that supports that a priori conclusion. You're asking them to make a paradigm change to simply accept the facts in a single study. That's like asking iron to undergo fusion conversion. They both do what makes the most sense in terms of energy. They get life meaning, a sense of belonging, a sense of order about the world, a solution to what scares them, notice about what to be scared of, etc. from that identity group. "Accepting facts" would require a whole new sense of identity.
MalleusConspiratori
2.5 / 5 (16) May 19, 2016
[finally]
Another eg.: benni/bshit and her recent accident speaking the truth, that we'll just never understand her science because we don't believe in hidden magical forces. Exactly. It's an entirely different paradigm. Her ego reference group has that world view and I think we know what kind of people we're talking about there. What is galling is that they don't honestly say, "Yeah, we don't accept science so we're doing something different", they say, "You're doing science wrong, let us (who have little to no experience actually doing science) tell you what you need to assume that you're not." They try to reformulate our disciplines. Go off and make your own if you're so hot to do so, but quit calling it "physics" when it's new age mumbo jumbo, or astronomy when it's good ol' bat shit crazy astrology. Ditto religious extremists. They don't call them selves extreme Muslims or crazy Christians, they proclaim that they're actually doing it right and steal the identity.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (9) May 19, 2016
I don't know who you mean by "her" and "she", but I KNOW it ain't me.
Of course, extraterrestrials exist, and they're here on this planet. You don't want to believe it, then don't. Nobody cares what you believe in.

"This is why you can't argue about AGW with people like obamas_socksmell." - MalleusConspiratori

Obamas socksmell. Hmmmm, how did you get close enough to smell Obama's socks? What else did you do with Obama?
I always had a good opinion of Australians before, but you and your posse have changed all that.
Thanks for letting us all know that there's a bad side to Oz. Are you also just as mentally ill as Theghostofotto1923 (Nazi)?
On second thought, don't bother answering.
AGW is a fabrication, btw. Warming is natural and cyclical.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) May 19, 2016
Sockpuppet downvoting detected on this thread.
Mike_Massen
2.5 / 5 (11) May 20, 2016
I see Otto_Szucks having just joined states
AGW is a fabrication, btw. Warming is natural and cyclical.
Of course there are natural cycles & many types @ different frequencies & multiple variances sometimes they sum & can interfere so, as a consequence the resulting gross global average temps have complex polynomial terms but on the rise :/

At the heart are three very important fundamental issues which is the core Physics & Math which has never ever been refuted ever,

1. Heat capacity, oceans approx 4000 times heat capacity of atmosphere overall
2. Rate of Change (RoC), temperatures as in 1 rise at a rate faster than in geological times, all else being equal
3. Radiative Transfer (RT), best exemplified by:-
https://en.wikipe..._forcing

When you conjunctively appreciate 1 to 3, the conclusion is inescapable, there is more heat being retained since pre-industrial & less emitted as satellite data confirms !

What is the Physics otherwise ?
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (9) May 20, 2016
@Mike_Massen
I see that your current post has gotten a ONE from 3 voters (Theghostofotto1923 - tooty - Mike_Masson. I have given you FIVES in many previous posts due to your thoughtful, substantive ability to explain science to those who haven't your extensive knowledge. (Although your truncation of syntax was/is maddening. Apparently, you have earned the ire of Theghostofotto for making a good argument, and ghostofotto has punished you with his sock puppetry. Just an observation.
Yes, there is warming, as evidenced by satellites and other methods. Perhaps some of it is caused by the consumption of fossil fuels, but not all of it. If you decide that it is all man's fault, then there is only one obvious remedy to the AGW dilemma, i.e., remove the human element out of the equation and the climate will return to normal. Perhaps there are some who like the idea of killing off most of the human race to save the planet for the remainder. Who are the chosen survivors? Too soon to tell
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (9) May 20, 2016
And I am STILL waiting for Theghostofotto1923 to show everyone the evidence that he is not lying about the origin of the "900 foot glassy headed martians on Mars" originating only with himself. Otto has lied about his being the first one to ever say it throughout all these years since Pirouette gave the URL to her site and photos. She never said that she saw 900 foot martians in her photos from NASA, and neither have I or anyone else, for that matter. Physorg has been lessened in credibility because of Theghostofotto1923 who uses his sock puppetry against other posters and the articles' topics. And yet he is allowed to remain. Perhaps the mental institute in which ghostofOtto resides has been taken over by the inmates and Otto is their leader?
Mike_Massen
2.5 / 5 (11) May 21, 2016
@Otto_Szucks (OSz)
I'm for details re Physics on issues of global import + my hobbies. Really hate unsupportable claims, especially where I've done or can do relevant study. Not focused on votes, can't be punished by socks - meaningless. Re syntax sry, iirc was primarily for a key Physics audience :/

Re AGW OSz says
...some of it is caused by the consumption of fossil fuels, but not all..
Comes down to Heat Balance, list of sources short & easy to compare arithmetically re change over time. Eg Sol's recent waning ~15yrs but, will likely rise whilst CO2 *will* also continue rising unabated - this *will* be bigger problem as albedo decreases, hotter times ahead !

OSz says
..only one obvious remedy to the AGW dilemma, i.e., remove the human element out of the equation and the climate will return to normal
Unclear, drastic, unnecessary I suggest:-

1. Economically/practically shift power flows away from fossil fuels
2. Exploit CO2 sequestered products

TBC
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.5 / 5 (8) May 21, 2016
"900 foot glassy headed martians on Mars" originating only with himself... since Pirouette
You mean you
gave the URL to her site and photos. She never said that she saw 900 foot martians in her photos from NASA
-I'm only repeating this because I enjoy making fun of you. When you posted that idiocy, other posters here pointed out that, because of the scale of the photos and the angle they were taken at, the martians you described would have had to be 900ft tall and lying down.

Do you understand this yet? I'm not going to repeat it again.
Wheres your evidence!!!
Did you ever admit you were those other posters? Did you ever lie about anything else (Im a cal tech/NASA engr with patents goddammit!!) since you've been flooding this site with inane nonsense?

You must admit that it is unlikely that more than one functional moron with similar mental problems and identical such interests would show up here in the same century.

Yes?
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (6) May 22, 2016
Theghostofotto still attempts to shed responsibility of his lying statement that Pirouette and others had proclaimed belief in and had visual sighting of "900 foot glassy eyed martians" even though none of them had ever said it or made such a claim. Nor had Obama_socks. I had only ONE nickname - Obama_socks when I registered for the first time in 2012. Ghostofotto saw that I was a newcomer to the site and decided to pin his lie on me in order to throw off his guilt of damaging the reputation of others who were innocent.
Yes, you DO have severe mental problems, Ghostofotto and you are a psychopathic liar who needs to victimize as many registered members of Physorg to quench your hunger as a soul-eater.
YES OTTO, WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE.

I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO PRODUCE THE LINK TO THE THREAD WHERE I OR ANYONE ELSE HAD PROFESSED BELIEF AND HAD SEEN "900 FOOT TALL GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS IN PIROUETTE'S NASA PHOTOS.
GIVE US THE LINK WITH THE EVIDENCE, PUSSYTARDO. NOW HOP TO IT.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (6) May 22, 2016
Actually no, the beings that Pirouette described in her NASA photos were certainly NOT 900 feet tall, and certainly were NOT laying down. I investigated Theghostofotto's claim that they were laying down, and it turns out that the cameras aboard the MRO can't turn, but the MRO is able to turn so that the sides of mountains on Mars are also photographed at an oblique angle.
Theghostofotto didn't know that and had decided wrongly that the HiRise camera could only point downward to photograph the ground. Instead the camera(s) turn when the MRO turns to capture oblique angles. This means that the Beings in Pirouette's Mars photos are UPRIGHT, not laying down.
It is quite apparent that Theghostofotto1923 was extremely jealous of Pirouette's accomplishment and decided to make fun of her constantly in every thread she went into to comment on the topic.

Theghostofotto is pure evil and revels in his psychopathic behavior. He also hates women.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT, OTTO?
LMAO
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) May 22, 2016
MRO can't turn, but the MRO is able to turn so that the sides of mountains on Mars are also photographed at an oblique angle
So, Ms Cal Tech engr, oblique photos of mountains would include oblique views of terrain at all different angles? Or not?

Since you investigated this, please provide a link to pirouettes pictures.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (6) May 22, 2016
I don't remember the full address. It started with "mars critters". YOU would have it since you were pasting it into a lot of your posts when you were making fun of Pirouette, while saying that she had said that she saw 900 foot martians. You should feel ashamed for what you did to that poor woman.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (7) May 22, 2016
Oh, and I investigate your claim that the camera could only be pointed downwards, and found that you were lying about those 900 foot glassy headed martians laying down.
Like I said, the people that I spoke with regarding the Hirise camera aboard the MRO all told me that the MRO is commanded to turn in order for the cameras to take oblique pictures of hills and mountainsides on Mars. Matter of fact, it is still doing that.
You behaved very poorly towards that female researcher. She brought science to Physorg and you didn't like it one bit. So you just HAD to destroy her and bring her down, right?

Oh by the way, ghostOtto...is it true that you are impotent and can't get it up and that is why you hate women so much? And is that why you claimed in one Physorg thread that "Fish is a metaphor for womanly smells"?
And WHERE is the link to prove your assertion that I ever said anything about belief in 900 foot tall glassy headed martians? You ugly fat lying porker.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (6) May 25, 2016
Hello pussytard aka pirouette aka Ritchieguy aka racistblackguy aka pussycat_eyes aka obama_socks aka Ottosuckz aka Shakescene21?

Here's the original thread of your thoroughly debunked presentation
http://phys.org/n...und.html

-which you did visit because of your use of the word 'critters' but couldn't post the link because you'd rather lie because it gives you pleasure.
you are impotent and can't get it up and that is why you hate women so much? And is that why you claimed in one Physorg thread that "Fish is a metaphor for womanly smells"?
You know its hard for me to imagine that a woman who
graduated from Caltech with Phd's in Mechanical and Electrical Engineering with a 3.9 GPA [and is] employed by an aerospace company in the capacity of an Engineer with many degrees
-would be talking this way on a science site.

It is however easy to believe that an imbecile and a congenital liar would talk this way.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (5) May 27, 2016
Nope - none of them are me except for Otto_Sucks and Obama_socks.
What debunked presentation are you referring to? I have made no presentations in this Physorg.
You must be drunk. Go and sleep it off before you hopefully step in front of a speeding truck and get killed.
I notice you are still extremely jealous of my qualifications as a Phd graduate of Caltech. Well, that's too bad Otto that YOU didn't amount to anything in the time you have left and have been relegated to the garbage dump of history on this earth. You will soon get back to your hole, I promise.

Oh and by the way, brother Uriel and brother Gabriel are watching you closely. They know what you have been doing to the humans with your lies and hatred for them. It will be soon, and that's a fact, jackass.
And, in case you didn't know, "critters" is a word used commonly by many humans, but "marscrtitter" apply to Pirouette's website. I used to visit there often. Thanks for the reminder.

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