Climate-exodus expected in the Middle East and North Africa

May 2, 2016, Max Planck Society
Plagued by heat and dust: Desert dust storms such as here in Kuwait could occur more often in the Middle East and North Africa as a result of climate change. In addition, temperatures on very hot days could rise to 50 degrees Celsius on average in the region (approximately 122 degrees Fahrenheit) by the end of the century. Credit: Molly John, Flickr, Creative Commons

The number of climate refugees could increase dramatically in future. Researchers of the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and the Cyprus Institute in Nicosia have calculated that the Middle East and North Africa could become so hot that human habitability is compromised. The goal of limiting global warming to less than two degrees Celsius, agreed at the recent UN climate summit in Paris, will not be sufficient to prevent this scenario. The temperature during summer in the already very hot Middle East and North Africa will increase more than two times faster compared to the average global warming. This means that during hot days temperatures south of the Mediterranean will reach around 46 degrees Celsius (approximately 114 degrees Fahrenheit) by mid-century. Such extremely hot days will occur five times more often than was the case at the turn of the millennium. In combination with increasing air pollution by windblown desert dust, the environmental conditions could become intolerable and may force people to migrate.

More than 500 million people live in the Middle East and North Africa - a region which is very hot in summer and where is already evident. The number of extremely has doubled since 1970. "In future, the climate in large parts of the Middle East and North Africa could change in such a manner that the very existence of its inhabitants is in jeopardy," says Jos Lelieveld, Director at the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and Professor at the Cyprus Institute.

Lelieveld and his colleagues have investigated how temperatures will develop in the Middle East and North Africa over the course of the 21st century. The result is deeply alarming: Even if Earth's temperature were to increase on average only by two degrees Celsius compared to pre-industrial times, the temperature in summer in these regions will increase more than twofold. By mid-century, during the warmest periods, temperatures will not fall below 30 degrees at night, and during daytime they could rise to 46 degrees Celsius (approximately 114 degrees Fahrenheit). By the end of the century, midday temperatures on hot days could even climb to 50 degrees Celsius (approximately 122 degrees Fahrenheit). Another finding: Heat waves could occur ten times more often than they do now.

Unbearably hot: In the Middle East and North Africa, the average temperature in winter will rise by around 2.5 degrees Celsius (left) by the middle of the century, and in summer by around five degrees Celsius (right) if global greenhouse gas emissions continue to increase according to the business-as-usual scenario (RCP8,5). The cross-hatching indicates that the 26 climate models used are largely in agreement, and the dotting indicates an almost complete match. Credit: MPI for Chemistry

By mid-century, 80 instead of 16 extremely hot days

In addition, the duration of in North Africa and the Middle East will prolong dramatically. Between 1986 and 2005, it was very hot for an average period of about 16 days, by mid-century it will be unusually hot for 80 days per year. At the end of the century, up to 118 days could be unusually hot, even if greenhouse gas emissions decline again after 2040. "If mankind continues to release carbon dioxide as it does now, people living in the Middle East and North Africa will have to expect about 200 unusually hot days, according to the model projections," says Panos Hadjinicolaou, Associate Professor at the Cyprus Institute and climate change expert.

Atmospheric researcher Jos Lelieveld is convinced that climate change will have a major impact on the environment and the health of people in these regions. "Climate change will significantly worsen the living conditions in the Middle East and in North Africa. Prolonged heat waves and desert dust storms can render some regions uninhabitable, which will surely contribute to the pressure to migrate," says Jos Lelieveld.

The research team recently also published findings on the increase of fine particulate air pollution in the Middle East. It was found that in the atmosphere over Saudi Arabia, Iraq and in Syria has increased by up to 70 percent since the beginning of this century. This is mainly attributable to an increase of sand storms as a result of prolonged droughts. It is expected that climate change will contribute to further increases, which will worsen environmental conditions in the area.

In the now published study, Lelieveld and his colleagues first compared climate data from 1986 to 2005 with predictions from 26 climate models over the same time period. It was shown that the measurement data and model predictions corresponded extremely well, which is why the scientists used these models to project climate conditions for the period from 2046 to 2065 and the period from 2081 to 2100.

Largest temperature increase in already hot summers

The researchers based their calculations on two future scenarios: The first scenario, called RCP4.5, assumes that the global emissions of greenhouse gases will start decreasing by 2040 and that the Earth will be subjected to warming by 4.5 Watt per square meter by the end of the century. The RCP4.5 scenario roughly corresponds to the target set at the most recent UN , which means that should be limited to less than two degrees Celsius.

The second scenario (RCP8.5) is based on the assumption that greenhouse gases will continue to increase without further limitations. It is therefore called the "business-as-usual scenario". According to this scenario, the mean surface temperature of the Earth will increase by more than four degrees Celsius compared to pre-industrial times.

In both scenarios, the strongest rise in temperature in the Middle East and North Africa is expected during summer, when it is already very hot, and not during winter, which is more common in other parts of the globe. This is primarily attributed to a desert warming amplification in regions such as the Sahara. Deserts do not buffer heat well, which means that the hot and dry surface cannot cool by the evaporation of ground water. Since the surface energy balance is controlled by heat radiation, the greenhouse effect by gases such as carbon dioxide and water vapor will increase disproportionately.

Regardless of which climate change scenario will become reality: both Lelieveld and Hadjinicolaou agree that climate change can result in a significant deterioration of living conditions for people living in North Africa and the Middle East, and consequently, sooner or later, many people may have to leave the region.

Explore further: Workers feeling the heat as climate change slashes productivity

More information: J. Lelieveld et al. Strongly increasing heat extremes in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) in the 21st century, Climatic Change (2016). DOI: 10.1007/s10584-016-1665-6

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JongDan
1.5 / 5 (32) May 02, 2016
So now we're going to blame overpopulation problems on climate change? Got it.
gkam
3.1 / 5 (36) May 02, 2016
Where do we find the Deniers? How did we wind up with them? Did they have no science in school? Are they just political hacks, following what their political leaders tell them?

What?
antialias_physorg
4.7 / 5 (35) May 02, 2016
So now we're going to blame overpopulation problems on climate change?

These regions aren't overpopulated. They are just - in future - no longer habitable.
What this means in terms of number of people seeking refuge you can pretty much guess at.
HannesAlfven
1.3 / 5 (26) May 02, 2016
Re: "Where do we find the Deniers? How did we wind up with them? Did they have no science in school? Are they just political hacks, following what their political leaders tell them?"

This stuff is so tired.

You're just limiting the questions you ask to a subset of the much larger, more interesting set. Why not question how so many regions of the world became suddenly inundated with red sand 6,000 years ago? Is that not a sufficiently interesting question?

Or, why not ask about whether or not Venus is in thermal equilibrium? The Venus Pioneer missions found that it was not, and scientists were then tasked with identifying possible instrumental failures. But, the part of the story where the data is corrected to reflect the greenhouse as an ASSUMPTION is no longer told anymore.

Why not ask if the polar vortex is related to the charged particles zooming in and out of the poles? Why does Venus have a polar vortex that also splits into two?
OdinsAcolyte
1.3 / 5 (23) May 02, 2016
Clearly political shenanigans.
OdinsAcolyte
1.3 / 5 (23) May 02, 2016
Clearly political shenanigans.
OhHooray
1.7 / 5 (31) May 02, 2016
The bad news is, climate is changing that might displace human populations. No biggie. This has been happening for our entire epoch. People who think this is "shocking and new" need to study up. We had glaciers that covered huge swathes of entire continents, not too long ago (geologically speaking, anyway)

The GOOD news is that Europe can now take in all of Africa and the Middle East once and for all! Think of all the wonderful diversity and enrichment and ethnic restaurants they'll enjoy! And they'll now have people to work hard and pay their pensions!
antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (28) May 02, 2016
LOL.
The very people who are acclimatized to living in the desert will be running from it. Uh huh.
JamesG
1.4 / 5 (29) May 02, 2016
114 degrees isn't unreasonably hot. It's gotten that hot in northwest Texas. It just makes the AC unit run a little more. People don't run from extreme conditions. They adjust.
antialias_physorg
4.8 / 5 (36) May 02, 2016
Clearly political shenanigans.

Yay. Totally substantiated comment (/sarcasm).

People don't run from extreme conditions. They adjust.

Sweet Lord.

"Turn on the AC"...brilliant plan. For the crops too? For the herds? For all of the other plants that make sure the soil doesn't erode?

Seriously...the amount of stupid in some of the comments here never fails to amaze
24volts
May 02, 2016
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Osiris1
1.8 / 5 (20) May 03, 2016
Heyy, no model of how hot it can get with six or eight degree rises as opposed to 2 degree rises. Get to the part about when the Rub-al-Kalee in Saudi Arabia temperature mean goes above 100 degrees C.... And stays there!
prince
4.4 / 5 (21) May 03, 2016
you better get a life rather then writing some racist comments . First of all, as north african people we don't need europe to work even europe has its own economic issues .Plus, i don't know how you came up with this "low IQ africans" information . Remember than almost all europeans choose Tunisia to have their esthetic operations . I bet you don't know where does Tunisia located and i bet you're a dumb american ass.
When our ancestors ruled the world in age of hannibal i assume that i still don't know about where were your ancestors .
Ps:people with low IQ as you said , speak at least 3 languages (arabic,french and english).
JongDan
1.3 / 5 (24) May 03, 2016
you better get a life rather then writing some racist comments . First of all, as north african people we don't need europe to work even europe has its own economic issues .Plus, i don't know how you came up with this "low IQ africans" information . Remember than almost all europeans choose Tunisia to have their esthetic operations . I bet you don't know where does Tunisia located and i bet you're a dumb american ass.
When our ancestors ruled the world in age of hannibal i assume that i still don't know about where were your ancestors .
Ps:people with low IQ as you said , speak at least 3 languages (arabic,french and english).

low IQ is just fact. there are different "explanations" why it is so, but let's focus on bare facts here.
http://www.photiu...nks.html
LikeWhatIWrote
1.5 / 5 (26) May 03, 2016
The only reason areas like North Africa and the Middle East might get hotter is from increased pressure due to long-term polar expansion. Our planet doesn't generate enough heat in its own right to affect regional climates, so any warming or cooling of such areas is dependent on how easily excess heat can dissipate out into the surrouding latitudes. Therefore, cooler temperates in hotter climes are a result of polar compaction, caused by icepacks being overextended in changing circumstances, allowing more heat to enter temperate regions ('global warming'), while higher temperatures are a result of resurgent icepacks acting as a vice on the hotter lattitudes, squeezing planetary heat back into a smaller biospheric area ('global cooling'). This planet neithers warms nor cools the atmosphere. Climate change is simply the ever-changing balance of where both of these effects are to be simultaneously found.
Zzzzzzzz
3.6 / 5 (36) May 03, 2016
114 degrees isn't unreasonably hot. It's gotten that hot in northwest Texas. It just makes the AC unit run a little more. People don't run from extreme conditions. They adjust.

Spoken like a person who has no concept of life without A/C. Never been far out of town, have you?
_ProudChristian_
1.7 / 5 (26) May 03, 2016
This accords with other studies that linked patterns of weather extremes and migration...beside being common sense; we all agree how it sucks when it's hot (or freezing) and one has to go outside or expend an effort!

However, while invoking AC may sound simplistic, actually such devices will grow in capability & efficiency (and diminish in manufacturing, acquisition, and operation costs). In addition, the pursuit for alt. energy and sustainability can well turn greenhouse gazes & climate change from threats to assets; in particular, thermoelectric devices that harness heat and temp-regulating "smart" construction materials, come to mind.

Alternatively, if such an "exodus" does take place (for those worried about an influx of migrants), it will do so just as people in cooler places--mainly the West & Europe, which happen to be more advanced--colonize outer space and the (equally exotic & fairly vast, yet underpublicized) deep sea.
aksdad
1.5 / 5 (23) May 03, 2016
It was shown that the measurement data and model predictions corresponded extremely well...

Utter nonsense! Here's what IPCC AR5 shows about the accuracy of the climate models compared to measured temperatures:

https://www.ipcc....S-14.jpg

The recognized authority on climate science shows that the models all overstate warming. That wasn't published in the summary, which was written by politicians, but it's in the body of the report, which was compiled by scientists.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (28) May 03, 2016
114 degrees isn't unreasonably hot. It's gotten that hot in northwest Texas. It just makes the AC unit run a little more. People don't run from extreme conditions. They adjust.

Spoken like a person who has no concept of life without A/C. Never been far out of town, have you?
- Zzzzzzzz

JamesG is correct. This is, of course, the 21st Century where A/C is available in most countries. It can even run off a really powerful PV system instead of the grid if you're looking to save money.
Why run? Why not adjust to the temps like ancestors had been doing throughout millions of years.
Do you think that human ancestors never experienced hot weather before? The climate always changes through millennia because that is what the Earth does.
As long as the Sun doesn't send out enormous solar flares, we should be fine.
I am still waiting for IPCC and Al Gore to take out full page ads in all media to advise populations to clean up their act.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (27) May 03, 2016
And crops are/were still being grown in hot and cool countries throughout human history and before humans, vegetation were being eaten by the triceratops and other plant eaters. Plants also adjust, and really - it's the SEEDS that are important.
aksdad
1.4 / 5 (28) May 03, 2016
There is no evidence of any "climate refugees" though alarmists insist there will be a flood of them. In the U.S., some of the hottest cities in the summer also are among the fastest-growing.

https://www.curre...mmer.php
http://money.cnn....s-texas/

People are moving TO hot places, not away from them.

There are millions of real refugees today flooding Europe and it isn't climate change that's compelling them to move. It's violence, war, oppression--the usual reasons people flee their homes. Even "extreme" climate change happens so slowly over many generations that adaptation is relatively easy; however poor people have limited resources and ability to adapt.

Africa and the Middle East is poor. America is wealthy. That's why Americans can (and do) move to hot places. The obvious solution is promoting freedom and prosperity, not setting futile limits on energy production.
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (29) May 03, 2016
Then I guess they better figure out how to use shovels and start working on underground homes for them and their animals to get out of the worst of the heat. Europe isn't going to want another bunch of low IQ Africans moving in. They have pretty much already destroyed their entire country with fighting over that stupid so called religion designed by a pedophile.
- 24volts
That was uncalled for and you are generalizing your opinion(s) on an entire population who can't defend themselves or show you that you're wrong. And BTW, Africa is not a country; it is a continent with many countries and cultures. Have some respect.
trevor_white
3.8 / 5 (23) May 03, 2016
So now we're going to blame overpopulation problems on climate change? Got it.

billions of humans doh!
trevor_white
3.9 / 5 (25) May 03, 2016
The only reason areas like North Africa and the Middle East might get hotter is from increased pressure due to long-term polar expansion. \.


Really ? sounds like political ramblings to me. Where is the maths to justify this.
trevor_white
4 / 5 (27) May 03, 2016
And crops are/were still being grown in hot and cool countries throughout human history and before humans, vegetation were being eaten by the triceratops and other plant eaters. Plants also adjust, and really - it's the SEEDS that are important.


The hotter climate actually slows crop growth in many instances. Good luck feeding the world population.
antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (26) May 03, 2016
The hotter climate actually slows crop growth in many instances. Good luck feeding the world population.

Uh huh. How much did crop growth slow down in the last century?
World population has increased by ~ 5 Billion in the last century. Where did the food come from to feed that increase?
When was the last time you starved?
obama_socks
2 / 5 (25) May 03, 2016
And crops are/were still being grown in hot and cool countries throughout human history and before humans, vegetation were being eaten by the triceratops and other plant eaters. Plants also adjust, and really - it's the SEEDS that are important.


The hotter climate actually slows crop growth in many instances. Good luck feeding the world population.
- trevor_white

Depends on the type of plants. Lettuce and spinach may not grow well.
So who exactly is responsible for feeding the world's population? The last time I looked, responsibility fell on the individual governments of each nation who were held responsible for their own food supply and its distribution. In the case of famine and drought or pestilence, those gummints are also required to assist with the purchase of food from abroad.
Some leaders, e.g. in the middle east, have been derelict in their duties to their people, whether in war or peacetime. It's bad planning also.
antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (25) May 04, 2016
Spoken like a person who has no concept of life without A/C. Never been far out of town, have you?

Spoken like the idiot who is locked in their basement with the AC on full blast. Most people in the tropics live without AC. I've lived my entire life in houses and apartments without AC. The most I've used the AC in my car is to defrost the windows in winter. Where I am, most of those who have AC in their homes use it only during the few hottest summer evenings.
Maggnus
4.7 / 5 (26) May 04, 2016
There is no evidence of any "climate refugees" though alarmists insist there will be a flood of them. In the U.S., some of the hottest cities in the summer also are among the fastest-growing.
The typical false logic of the denialsphere. First, there is evidence of "climate refugees" - http://bigstory.a...islands; http://www.thegua...nua-levu

but more than that, comparing rich people in America moving to American cities to refugees from Africa and the Middle East fleeing extreme conditions just showcases the willful ignorance of the poster.

The violence decried by this poster is partly the result of an extended drought in the region, especially Syria. That he doesn't know this is another testament to his politically driven agenda.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (29) May 04, 2016
These regions aren't overpopulated. They are just - in future - no longer habitable
These regions are overpopulated.

"Human overpopulation occurs if the number of people in a group exceeds the carrying capacity of the region occupied by that group."

-For example 60% of the people in gaza are living on subsistence from outside the region.
there is evidence of "climate refugees"
Overpopulation causes conflict over resources. This can often be called war.

Its a pretty simple equation.
leetennant
4.7 / 5 (25) May 04, 2016
Maybe they'll get it when it happens to somewhere like Brazil. They're only a year or two away from a Syrian-type collapse if the upcoming La Nina intensifies the drought the El Nino has temporarily eased. And that's not even taking into account Dengue and Zika, also likely a result of the drought.

Otto - are you actually using the example of a giant open-air CONCENTRATION CAMP
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (28) May 04, 2016
@leet
Human ancestors supposedly came out of Africa. Additionally, those humans supposedly were descended from apes who lived in the trees until they began making tools and became bipedal. In the millions of years that these man/apes lived in the hot climate of Africa, how did they survive wearing all that fur in the heat of the jungle or the savanna?
Oh wait...maybe they were able to adjust their metabolism, or something?
Other question is: where is all the money that shoulda gone to the natives in North Africa and the Middle East? With all the wealth from oil, why aren't there A/C units provided for these poor souls and their rickety shacks? Collusion? Corruption? Or did they expect that Uncle Sam and Aunt Angela in Germany would see to their needs?
leetennant
4.4 / 5 (27) May 04, 2016
The fuck?
antialias_physorg
4.4 / 5 (25) May 05, 2016
The fuck?

Yeah... the amount of stupid/ignorance in obama_socks' post is just so much beyond belief. Not just the igorance of numbers, sizes and general geography...just the level of stupid to say stuff like he does with conviction is staggering beyond belief

That's not just argument from ignorance...that's more ignorance from ignorance.

"AC units are a solution"...Seriously? This is the type of answers people come up with on a *science* site and don't immediately realize that it's wrong on so many levels?
andv123
1.4 / 5 (20) May 05, 2016
libtardettea out on a mission as always defending rapists with arguments such as 'get a life' and 'it's 2016' and 'u so stoopid'... good luck, scum!
andv123
1.4 / 5 (22) May 05, 2016
why does it seem that libtardettes posting their ramblings have acute ocd? I'd guess cause they do; same idiots on every article, same drudge all the time, a normal human would go insane just from listening to it, these things live with it in their sculls the whole time... and their moronic speech patterns, all the brain-drying repetitiveness, on and on and on... obviously, context or making sense are alien to these things, but the blatant disrespect to whomever may read is incomprehensible- thinking everyone is dumb and will believe the mudloving ramblings... no wonder they're libtardettes
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.5 / 5 (23) May 05, 2016
Otto - are you actually using the example of a giant open-air CONCENTRATION CAMP
Whats your point exactly? Gazan moslems have a pop growth rate at near maximum and their numbers are doubling every 16 years. Sixty percent of them are school age children. Their means of supporting themselves was exceeded a long time age and is getting worse by the day.

This is the fault of a religion which teaches them that there is a god who will provide for as many children as they can bear, and which forces their women to keep producing these children until it kills them.

The religions which have survived have all used this formula to outgrow and overrun their less prolific counterparts. The process has been refined over the centuries as new and more efficient iterations have devoured the old.

Unnatural selection of a most vicious nature.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.4 / 5 (26) May 05, 2016
In the millions of years that these man/apes lived in the hot climate of Africa, how did they survive wearing all that fur in the heat of the jungle or the savanna?
Oh wait...maybe they were able to adjust their metabolism, or something?
Yeah... the amount of stupid/ignorance in obama_socks' post is just so much beyond belief. Not just the igorance of numbers, sizes and general geography...just the level of stupid to say stuff like he does with conviction is staggering beyond belief
Nobody is that stupid except on purpose.

Someone who thinks they are playing a very clever game.

What an incredible waste of time.
"AC units are a solution"...Seriously? This is the type of answers people come up with on a *science* site and don't immediately realize that it's wrong on so many levels?
I don't know if you remember, this was the person who wanted to stop meltdowns with dry ice.
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (23) May 05, 2016
"I don't know if you remember, this was the person who wanted to stop meltdowns with dry ice."
- Thegoatof farto1923

Yes, I am that person who suggested using dry ice. Funny how you chose to include my great idea of using dry ice to cool the rods. However, the topic is "climate change" in this thread, not meltdowns. I also submitted a proposal to Tepco for using dry ice in pipes underground at Fukushima. They are using a "coolant" of some type. They have basically used my idea of refrigeration to freeze returning coolant, also.
I gave it a try to help the Japanese solve their problem. What have YOU and your boyfriend antiPee done? Nothing? And you are still upset and lose sleep over what I said in that thread.
LMAO
Mike_Massen
3 / 5 (32) May 05, 2016
obama_socks (OS) said
..those humans supposedly were descended from apes
There's no 'supposedly', there is this thing called genetics, humans/apes share ~98% DNA & haven't you noticed immense structural/behavioral similarities ie related ?

OS oddly asks
... millions of years that these man/apes lived in the hot climate of Africa, how did they survive wearing all that fur in the heat of the jungle or the savanna?
Haven't you noticed apes don't wear clothes AND heard of adaptation ?

Eg human with clothes next to a nude ape, now go do your heat flow calcs, since you claim to do 'algorithm's daily @ work ?

OS asks
.. the wealth from oil, why aren't there A/C units provided for these poor souls..
Can't you guess ?

OS, still waiting for your "verifiable evidences" re the facts you claim to have showing geological source of heat is much greater than radiative forcing especially you claimed to take "responsibility" for your posts ?

Are you genuine ?
pberger
3.8 / 5 (22) May 05, 2016
Now that solar energy is ultra competitive (less than $0.03 per kW.h and prices will continue to fall), we should use that energy for large scale desalination and greening (back) the Middle-East deserts and the Sahara, also plant millions of trees as the Chinese are starting to do. There is no fatality here, oases in the desert are true paradises, just expand them!
Mike_Massen
2.9 / 5 (30) May 05, 2016
pberger who just joined a few hours ago re solar
.. we should use that energy for large scale desalination and greening (back) the Middle-East deserts and the Sahara
We ? have you thought about regional economics & in relation to global issues, can you guess why it hasnt been done already ?

pberger suggested
., also plant millions of trees as the Chinese are starting to do
Maybe but, do you mean as structural materials ?

Wouldn't it be more pertinent to plow resources (pun) into food base CO2 sequestration ?

pberger says
There is no fatality here, oases in the desert are true paradises, just expand them!
Really ? As entertainment for the few who live there in shacks built from chinese wood ?

Have you heard of the term "comparative logistics" or "back of the envelope" calculations ?

Those preparatory calculations founded on key technical education, might I suggest you ask obama_socks as he claims to do 'algorithms' daily & even has them checked ?
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (23) May 05, 2016
Now that solar energy is ultra competitive (less than $0.03 per kW.h and prices will continue to fall), we should use that energy for large scale desalination and greening (back) the Middle-East deserts and the Sahara, also plant millions of trees as the Chinese are starting to do. There is no fatality here, oases in the desert are true paradises, just expand them!
- pberger
We've been planting millions of trees also. But do you REALLY want to provide more living space for a greater population growth? It would only serve to give people more room to raise their children, grandchildren, etc. But it won't help them find jobs.
And just WHO is going to do all these things? Who is WE?
Muttering Mike has a big problem with repetition and begging for personal information. Is that what comes of your sucking up to Cap'n Rumpy and Otto (Nazi), Mikey?
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (24) May 05, 2016
The fuck?
- leetenant

The fuck? room is down the hall and second door to your right. You'll find Otto and Cap'n Rumpy in there dancing the mambo butt nekkid. Don't worry about the "Do Not Disturb" sign. Just walk in and bring your camera.
Mike_Massen
2.9 / 5 (29) May 05, 2016
obama_socks (OS) says
And just WHO is going to do all these things? Who is WE?
Really - following my post to your 'friend' pberger, timing/linguistic pattern suggests you add another sock puppet for future use ?

Mentioned before, developing intelligent agent script, logging factors re nick's behavior via multiple linguistic poker 'tells', side effect tallies claims vs substance vs evidence, timing interactions & few other factors, see

"Psychology of Crime" 2009, Griffith University
Several useful indices re Psychoanalytical behaviors

OS claims
.. Mike has a big problem with repetition and begging for personal info..
Eg ?

OS says
sucking up to Cap'n Rumpy {et al} ?
No, Captain Stumpy/Uncle Ira's facile/false claim THz radiation harmless used http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf just to bully gkam :/

http://phys.org/n...ess.html]http://phys.org/n...ess.html[/url]

My Post
http://phys.org/n...ess.html]http://phys.org/n...ess.html[/url]
antigoracle
1.5 / 5 (22) May 05, 2016
Oh, muh...muh..Mutterin' Mike, I liked you better when you spewed "radiative" and added a link to your Alma Mater; Wikipedia. Back then, you were just a blabbering idiot, now you are a totally incomprehensible jackass, braying in the wind, hoping to be noticed.
Mike_Massen
3 / 5 (30) May 05, 2016
@obama_socks
And others interested in just how some people get caught up in emotional attachment when pursing prejudice,

Hmm, post munted last 2 links, chance to clarify

Minor comment by gkam re THz radiation elicited Captain Stumpy's personal attacks
http://phys.org/n...ess.html

Subject arose elsewhere, my posts
http://phys.org/n...ens.html

Suffice to say indicates trying to use an inappropriate paper ie only a bond model to make misleading unsupportable claim THz radiation proved "harmless", ugh !

ie. The incompetent rasping at straws to attempt facile proof gkam is lying, despite fact he's > 70yrs old with long technical army & key industry background of decades

Captain Stumpy/Unclue Ira lays into them & me to claim Status/Authority & as such get confused re style & nit picking to "put people down" :/

Worst is Uncle Ira by far, can't tell claim from evidence re defamation !
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (23) May 05, 2016
Naaah I hadn't even read your post. Strictly by coincidence that the questions I posed were similar to yours. I don't need sock puppets here, although I do use one in my favorite Russian news site and another one in other current events sites. You are confusing me with Otto (Nazi) who must have at least 500 by now. I have made a list of them since 2012 and before that.
Were you aware that Otto made several "ghostof" sock puppets like ghostofalizee so that posters would think that it was Zephir who had made them for down voting. So everyone thought it was Zephir, but it was really Otto having fun with all of them. Zephir got the blame even though innocent.
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (23) May 05, 2016
Oh, muh...muh..Mutterin' Mike, I liked you better when you spewed "radiative" and added a link to your Alma Mater; Wikipedia. Back then, you were just a blabbering idiot, now you are a totally incomprehensible jackass, braying in the wind, hoping to be noticed.
- antiG
And he truncates sentences so that his meaning is almost completely unintelligible. Probably not aware of how annoying that is to some...maybe even most. Also lacking punctuation similar to Cap'n Rump's "motivational" rantings.
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (22) May 05, 2016
gkam was too anxious to prove himself to these strangers...and he gave all his personal, as well as military info to the ones who would use it for their nasty purposes. Posting all of gkam's info, including his SS# on the net is reprehensible trickery. But gkam should've known better also not to put faith and trust in these bozos. But he got off easy in the long run. Rumpy has no other private info on gkam to hang over his head while pretending to be benevolent by not publishing gkam's info. The info is out there already, so Rumpy/Otto doesn't have gkam over their barrel now. He's free of them. But he keeps going back for more abuse.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (26) May 06, 2016
The incompetent rasping at straws to attempt facile proof gkam is lying, despite fact he's > 70yrs old with long technical army & key industry background of decades
For somebody who blurts, blahs and cries about how other peoples are not paying attention, you sure do get the basics mixed up.

3 1/2 half years in the Air Force is not "long technical army". EPIC FAIL.

Key industry background is really dubious considering how he gets ALL the elementary stuffs wrong.

Captain Stumpy/Unclue Ira lays into them & me to claim Status/Authority & as such get confused re style & nit picking to "put people down"
So you think he is immune because just because he is so pleasant and charming and writes knowledgeable and thoughtful things here?

Worst is Uncle Ira by far, can't tell claim from evidence re defamation !
Skippy, you take your self to serious. But what's worst than that, you take me to serious. Why you don't take your meds and try to calm your self.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (29) May 06, 2016
No, Captain Stumpy/Uncle Ira's facile/false claim THz radiation harmless used http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf]http://phys.org/n...ess.html[/url]


Skippy, you are really stupid for a moron. I never said it was harmless. I said that in all the 100 years we been measuring and studying and working with infrared we have not yet got the evidence that it was harmful.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. I also said "EM smog" was a stupid thing to say.

Are you studying those drugs that enhance your learning and intelligence again? Every few days you come back with the side effects from that.
Mike_Massen
3.1 / 5 (31) May 06, 2016
Uncle Ira (UI) says
Skippy, you are really..
Why the kangaroo focus, are you sane ?

UI claims
never said it was harmless
So you disagree with Captain Stumpy (CS) - I see !

UI says
.. with infrared we have not yet got the evidence that it was harmful
Hrrm, THz below IR, ie its own accepted band, so you're lying or plain incompetent ?

Anyone says THz/IR "harmless" is ignorant of 'Intensity' !

So, means you're also ignorant of 'Coherence' ?

So, you don't get IR burns from fire radiance & disagree with CS again - I see !

So, you're ignorant of IR re CO2 lasers that burn through an arm in seconds ?

UI says
.. "EM smog" was a stupid thing to say
Yerp, *learn* coherent vs incoherent & diffuse in respect of collimated & in conjunction with intensity, can you even try that ?

UI asks
.. you studying those drugs that enhance your learning and intelligence..
No, developing supplements with particular nootropic properties.

UI ignorant :/
gkam
2.5 / 5 (26) May 06, 2016
"Skippy, you are really stupid for a moron."
---------------------------------

Why are you snarky adolescents here? Don't you know about Twitter?
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (25) May 06, 2016
Mikey-Skippy in the throes of mania again,
Blah, Blah, Blah, I am slaying dragons here, Blah, Blah, Blah, and you are disrespecting my selflessness, Blah, Blah, Blah, and if you don't understand how serious and relavent I am, Blah, Blah, Blah, it is my duty to tell you, and one extra Blah for good measure.


.. you studying those drugs that enhance your learning and intelligence..
No, developing supplements with particular nootropic properties.
It probably something you should leave alone if your performance here is any indication on how good that is working for you.

UI ignorant :/
Mikey-Skippy, I am devastated. You just hurt my feelings.
antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (20) May 06, 2016
If told so, the Chicken Littles will believe globull warming is responsible for the Trump exodus. LOL
BongThePuffin
May 06, 2016
This comment has been removed by a moderator.
antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (21) May 06, 2016
Consider how much better this site would be, if those with an IQ below two, like the poster above, were exterminated. It's a perfect cut.
Mike_Massen
3.3 / 5 (31) May 07, 2016
BongThePuffin offered
.. much better PO would be if all the accounts with comments with an average rating below two, on this thread, were exterminated
I commend progress to address it but, can engender motivation for fake votes, already happened often re so called sock-puppets (SPs)

Recent observation, the vociferous/belligerent Uncle Ira who exploits quote syntax to drive false impressions "acquires" more votes than those that mere challenge his ugly claims. This method exploited by the fringe shown up for all sorts of failures of logic/method skews averages & especially so as they use so many SPs constraining focus

Raises credential issue but, I don't want to limit the unqualified speculating ideas, maybe a provisional staged approach ?

I'd add to your view with
1. Type of 'cookie'/user encryption almost impossible to crack, SPs fail
2. Correlating IP addresses in logs provided server associates with 1.

I understand presently only basic server software :/
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (25) May 07, 2016
For any that consider that it might be hard to moderate a site like this, consider too how very much better PO would be if all the accounts with comments with an average rating below two, on this thread, were exterminated
@BongThePuffin
i've submitted a plan to them that would require only the modification of authority on specific profiles of known methodical degree holding science advocates (like Thermodynamics, Q-Star, Tim Thompson, etc) and allow them total control over perma-ban solutions, and it includes self-policing, a tribunal for moderator abuse and free moderation

if we all submitted a similar plan that would advocate moderation without being too costly (minimal programming changes to permissions) perhaps PO would listen?
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (22) May 07, 2016
1. Type of 'cookie'/user encryption almost impossible to crack, SPs fail
2. Correlating IP addresses in logs provided server associates with 1
@Mike
this won't work with a TOR browser that can change the IP address faster than you can change browser tabs

and you don't want to remove TOR or other similar proxies, peer-to-peer or anonymous browsing because of the promotion of science to nations where there is a firewall prohibiting free access to the internet

this would shut out the people you most likely *want* to be here talking science and learning how to think critically or logically, like certain middle eastern nations or China, etc

that is how zephir, socks and the other puppets keep re-spawning here
...to drive false impressions
pot calling the kettle black mike-
http://phys.org/n...ens.html

we've all done it.

obama_socks
2 / 5 (27) May 07, 2016
LMAO at Otto's main current sock puppet, Cap'n Rumpy (who had replaced Otto's other sock puppet, the banned FrankHerbert) . This phony Captain shouldn't even be commenting on Physorg while pretending to be so concerned about the quality of the scientific discourse when Rumpy has never once put forth any evidence that he has any knowledge of his own regarding the topics of the articles, except to do a Search with some words put together in the Search box and coming up with links to Wikipedia, which isn't always a reliable source of information. Then there are Rumpy's offerings of YouTube videos and other websites to try and offset the fact that Rumpy never actually exhibits any real KNOWLEDGE of the topic(s) being discussed by others extensively. Cap'n Rumpy then makes a big performance of calling out those who are making claims but didn't offer links for Rump to verify their claims as though it was a matter of life or death to the individual. Then the nasty name calling starts
obama_socks
2 / 5 (27) May 07, 2016
Then Theghostofotto's other sock puppet, Uncle Ira begins to type some foolishness about the particular individual, such as gkam, with whom the two S.P.s have been victimizing as their online punching bag for unspecified "crimes" other than bragging or, in "their" opinion - lying.
And yet, just as with Otto and all of his other sock puppets, neither Rumpy or Uncle Ira ever offer to discuss the topics of the articles extensively and "off the cuff" as everyone else are able to do, myself included, without Rumpy quick-searching Wiki to provide links for everyone else to read, thus proving that Rump is not a reputable fountain of knowledge himself. Ira only joins in to push gkam around verbally, also without adding any actual knowledge of the articles' topics.
And these fools have the utter gall to try and compel Physorg mods and execs to rid the site of others, when it is Captain Stumpy, Uncle Ira and Theghostofotto1923 and Otto's other sock puppets who are the REAL TROLLS of Physorg
Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (29) May 07, 2016
@ Mikey-Skippy. How you are Cher? Still confused with the racing thoughts, eh? Yeah, I am good this morning, thanks for asking

Recent observation, the vociferous/belligerent Uncle Ira who exploits quote Blah, Blah, Blah, just because that is how my wonderfully crafted and logically laid out genius writings look to him, Blah, Blah, Blah, his ugly claims, Blah, Blah, Blah,


Can't argue with that Cher. I don't even know what you are trying to say except, "I am Mikey-Skippy, and want to be the Mental Big Dog."

This method exploited by the fringe shown up for all sorts of failures of logic/method
Fringe? Failures? Logic/method? Say all that with the straight face Skippy?

Raises credential issue Blah, Blah, Blah but I have the credential issues and want get recognized for it Blah, Blah, Blah.


I'd add to your view with a few Blahs, and ponder it while I am thinking up some more Blahs to write.


Hooyeei, all that right off the top of head, eh?
gkam
2.4 / 5 (28) May 07, 2016
To get back to the point - what are we going to do when the glaciers of Asia and South America dry up completely? Billions of people need that water to survive, yet it is going.

We had better set aside our differences and get to work.
Forestgnome
1.3 / 5 (16) May 07, 2016
So when you have the sense to move from where the weather sucks to where the weather is nice you're a "climate refugee"? Got it. By the way, the weather in the Middle East has sucked for quite some time.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (28) May 07, 2016
It isn't weather, it is a matter of Human Habitability.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.6 / 5 (21) May 07, 2016
Yes, I am that person who suggested using dry ice. Funny how you chose to include my great idea of using dry ice to cool the rods
Yes - but not actually in contact with the rods, just suspended above them. Right?

Bwahaahaaahaaaa.

Like I say nobody is this stupid except on purpose. And anybody who thinks they are being clever by pretending to be this stupid, cant be very smart at all.
tblakely1357
2.2 / 5 (17) May 07, 2016
Is Global Warming/Climate Change even falsifiable?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (22) May 07, 2016
To get back to the point - what are we going to do when the glaciers of Asia and South America dry up completely? Billions of people need that water to survive, yet it is going.

We had better set aside our differences and get to work
Good idea. But first we need to get the lying cheating psychopaths out of the way or we'll never figure out what the real problems are.

George kamburoff - only the greatest and most pressing problems facing the world are important enough to warrant his scrutiny.

And of course only he knows how to fix them and save billions of people. 'More t shirt slogans' cries George. 'They used to work very well when I was teaching 1000s of engineers just how much smarter I was than they were.'

Until he got fired that is.

Again.

"I get fired because supervisors always felt threatened by my superior intellect. Hey - I can make up my own facts at will. Lets see THEM do that!'
Captain Stumpy
4.6 / 5 (21) May 07, 2016
[captain stumpy] has never once put forth any evidence that he has any knowledge of his own regarding the topics of the articles
1- http://phys.org/n...ens.html

makes a big performance of calling out those who are making claims but didn't offer links for [captain stumpy] to verify their claims...
it's a matter of science or making a valid argument
a claim without evidence is opinion or a belief, not science
http://www.auburn...ion.html

also see: Goldhaber, Alfred Scharff; Nieto, Michael Martin (January–March 2010), "Photon and graviton mass limits"

Newton, Isaac (1999) [1687, 1713, 1726], Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica

maybe this will help you? i couldn't find one geared toward your 5th grade literacy skills. sorry
http://idea.ucr.e...tory.htm

TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (25) May 07, 2016
I also submitted a proposal to Tepco for using dry ice in pipes underground at Fukushima
So dry ice is a liquid. I see.

LIke I say, youre a fake.
HeloMenelo
3.1 / 5 (29) May 07, 2016
So when you have the sense to move from where the weather sucks to where the weather is nice you're a "climate refugee"? Got it. By the way, the weather in the Middle East has sucked for quite some time.


Been hanging out with your own sock antisciencgorilacle swinging the trees in the forest like a circus monkey eh.. ?

We can see so... ;)
HeloMenelo
3 / 5 (30) May 07, 2016

And these fools have the utter gall to try and compel Physorg mods and execs to rid the site of others, when it is Captain Stumpy, Uncle Ira and Theghostofotto1923 and Otto's other sock puppets who are the REAL TROLLS of Physorg


Fortunately you are the only monkey blowing smoke where the sun don't shine, and everyone knows that thanks to you persistant stupidity, time after time, Captain Stumpy Uncle and the rest of the brilliants always prevail with accountable information, on the other hand you and your puppets are still stuck swinging trees and thumping your monkey chests ;) And here you are in your full glory after a baboonish chest thumping session ;) http://clipart.to...r004.gif
HeloMenelo
3.1 / 5 (28) May 07, 2016
Consider how much better this site would be, if those with an IQ below two, like the poster above, were exterminated. It's a perfect cut.


The real problem is those without any iq's like the one in this quote above, but me being caring and sympathetic, i'll always be handing out your bannanas cause we like to see you clown about as it makes big oil look like idiots... ;)
HeloMenelo
3.3 / 5 (30) May 07, 2016
some more bannanas... ? coooome... and... get it :D
Mike_Massen
3.3 / 5 (28) May 08, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS) so simple again Fails to learn protocols, misuses links, illustrating immense ignorance understanding papers with the uneducated/untrained flood here
1- http://phys.org/n...ens.html
Idly throwing a claimed paper's references around minus understanding doesn't mean; education, training, experience & key interpretation, especially so as scientific papers have a particular format & particular use of key terminology which the educated, trained, experience use properly.

It means a key understanding of terms used in papers & the pre-requisites re origin & intent

Terms as; "scope, study, intent, aim, introduction, conclusion, validation, rigorous, proof.." have specific meanings in Science papers same issue "theory" has, unfortunately CS motivated to bludgeon all-over with a dearth of links/references without any knowledge of the terminology, particularly "study" relation to "validate/validation" :/
Mike_Massen
3.2 / 5 (29) May 08, 2016
Nicks as obama_socks jumps follows a leader but, can't take responsibility for claims, just as Captain Stumpy (CS); nil (uni) education, nil training, nil experience understanding anything beyond comments here :/

Although CS had early sincerity, I commended from 2013 addressing anti-AGW crowd of ~3 yrs, not done hard yards of at least ~2yrs uni training to interpret scientific papers properly he lurched off into ugly unsupportable claims misleading readers whilst refusing to learn, this needs addressing :/

CS' pattern searches for his ideal keywords, central confirmational bias to primarily bully gkam re status.

Specifically CS says
i said the paper proved THz was harmless
In ref to http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf
Which any Physics educated would never interpret a paper as mere bond model proves 'harmless' especially as even urges "needs to be confirmed with rigorous experiment" !

Yet CS claims paper rigorous ?

Inform all here exactly how so please ?
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (21) May 08, 2016
as Captain Stumpy (CS); nil (uni) education, nil training, nil experience understanding anything
so mikey... lets get this straight
what you're saying is that because:
-you didn't understand the argument from the beginning
&
-you can't seem to wrap your head around the differences between power levels
&
-you want to promote a fear mongering approach
&
-you need validation from others because of your own issues
&
-you can't actually provide evidence or links demonstrating the overwhelming destructive power of the "THz fog"

then *i* am stupid, with no education and understanding?

.

& now you're fishing for support?

.

the first study says what is important, but that wasn't enough, so i gave you plenty of other references

which one was wrong mikey?
1 was specific ref to bio-haz destr. tiss. & therm. cell senesc. re:THz
others spec. ref. bio.haz. to cell tiss. & therm. prop. as well...

tell us all mikey, since you can't answer in the other thread
Captain Stumpy
3.6 / 5 (20) May 08, 2016
@m
he lurched off blah blah this needs addressing
where have i said anything that is not supported by the links or references?
def. not in the thread you linked
a dearth of links/references without any knowledge of the terminology
this is also not demonstrated in that thread
UBER ref's in that thread, or can't you count?

fearmongering just like your boyfriend g

so... re: your 2 posts:
1-ad hominem, no evidence
2-the paper provides everything you needed, but the further links/ref's provide the validation of my statements re: harmless
3-just because you can make something dangerous doesn't mean it is always dangerous: ex:light and lasers
i don't see you advocating for the removal of all lights/led's from houses because of the dangers of lasers or the thermal properties of coherent light

bring the evidence and stop posturing with Ur arg. fro. authty. & nil (uni) education, nil training, nil experience understanding
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (17) May 08, 2016
This exodus is already happening with the cackling Hitlary murdering Quidaffi. He was the last stop for migrating Africans seeking a better life, and he tried to establish an African commonwealth. Now all these desperate people simply flood Europe. Truly they should flood USA which incited the problem. Now yanktards are attempt to blame their loansharking, warmongering and psychopathy on weather. Pathetic.
AGreatWhopper
2.6 / 5 (32) May 08, 2016
HeloMenelo

4.6 / 5 (10) 18 hours ago

Consider how much better this site would be, if those with an IQ below two, like the poster above, were exterminated. It's a perfect cut.

The real problem is those without any iq's like the one in this quote above, but me being caring and sympathetic, i'll always be handing out your bannanas cause we like to see you clown about as it makes big oil look like idiots... ;)


It's not a level playing field. Try to say that you'd like to see antisciencegorilla exterminated and see how many minutes your account continues to exist. But those like the Heritage Foundation, Kochs and others have paid PO for denier immunity. How is that not legally actionable? Can Reddit, etc., host people calling for murders with impunity? PO is really over the top with their denier protection racket.
kochevnik
1.3 / 5 (15) May 08, 2016
@AGreatWhopper How is that not legally actionable?
Because they all attend the same synagogue
gkam
2.8 / 5 (25) May 08, 2016
"i don't see you advocating for the removal of all lights/led's from houses because of the dangers of lasers or the thermal properties of coherent light"
---------------------------------

Settle down. Your arguments make no sense. We realize the dangers from coherent light,and take precautions, like we must do with any new technology. The 250 Watt continuous infrared laser I maintained at Raychem would do a number on you.

Without experience, you have no sense of proportion, knowledge of the potential consequences, or the implications of information. You are ripe for being a Stumpy.

It's embarrassing to see it.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (24) May 08, 2016
Your arguments make no sense
@couyon-liar-kam
actually, it makes perfect sense, and i am only replying because this needs to be said and it's relevant to the point

it's not about taking precautions for coherent light, you sanctimonious chronic-lying twit...

it's about the FACT that light *can* be made coherent, thus you *can* create a dangerous technology out of light, yet you're not arguing about the hazards of light exposure
(i used big words, so i can understand why you didn't get that)

this is the same with THz
- just because it *can* be made dangerous doesn't mean it *is*

you're always exposed to THz, just like you're always exposed to visible light (unless specific precautions are taken)

i know you will simply argue from your self-perceived authority now, then conclude with some random incoherent argument about "experience" like above, but the fact of the matter is simple and demonstrated above

you're pseudoscience fraud, g- It's embarrassing to see
Captain Stumpy
3.1 / 5 (23) May 08, 2016
for the rest of the posters

mike/liar-kam want to argue about the safety of THz while ignoring the facts
like that they're constantly exposed to it 24/7/365

This is like promoting a fear of the dangers of visible light because we can turn it into a LASER

it is *the exact same argument* b/c we can also use LASER's to communicate, point, or create shows... none of which are a massive threat to the public because of the thermal destructive potential of coherent light

they're not advocating for the removal of LASER pointers, light communication or household lighting because of those hazards, even though we know that they can do the exact same damage to the body as THz when utilised & designed for that purpose (not even mentioning the Eye hazard)

this is the reason their anti-THz argument is stupid and fear mongering
AND why my links/ref's are relevant: see other links/ref's in the comments here
http://phys.org/n...ens.html
gkam
2.3 / 5 (24) May 08, 2016
You are screaming and ranting in the wrong thread.

I suggest you settle down.
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (22) May 08, 2016
You are screaming and ranting in the wrong thread.


But it is just fine and dandy when you do it, right? You been doing it since you got here, but you are the "real" glam-Skippy and that means you get the special considerations right? (Your rantings are remarkably stupid, even for a "real" moron.)
Shootist
1.5 / 5 (17) May 08, 2016
Where do we find the Deniers? How did we wind up with them? Did they have no science in school? Are they just political hacks, following what their political leaders tell them?

What?


"The polar bears will be fine" -- Freeman Dyson's smarter than you are. The hockey stick graph is a contrived falsehood. The climate always changes, nothing special going on (beyond the sheep agreeing to bend over for the Marxist politicians).
MalleusConspiratori
2.7 / 5 (29) May 08, 2016
No, he's not. You're really obsessed. Why don't you two just get a room?
kochevnik
1.8 / 5 (15) May 08, 2016
Four hour harvest of physorg NAZI sympathizers: john berry_hobbes gkam MalleusConspiratori jljenkins jim_xanara fckthierreyhenry BongThePuffin
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.2 / 5 (25) May 08, 2016
You are screaming and ranting in the wrong thread.

I suggest you settle down
-or else george kamburoff the lying cheating psychopath will sue you for defamation.

You goobers have all been forewarned.
HeloMenelo
3 / 5 (28) May 08, 2016
More climate change HOGWASH......We need to defund these silly climate change Bogus Obama GRANT programs and let these so-call climate scientists find real jobs! I hear McDonald needs burger flippers!


don't worry antigoricle sock, we will never defund your stock of bananas, your comments secures you for at least another 100 year's of supplies as we are confident you'll still be swinging those branches... ;)

HeloMenelo
3.1 / 5 (27) May 08, 2016
Where do we find the Deniers? How did we wind up with them? Did they have no science in school? Are they just political hacks, following what their political leaders tell them?

What?


"The polar bears will be fine" -- Freeman Dyson's smarter than you are. The hockey stick graph is a contrived falsehood. The climate always changes, nothing special going on (beyond the sheep agreeing to bend over for the Marxist politicians).


why does this clown always post the same outdated lies, aaah it's cause he is antigoracle's sock still shooting the potty miss :D
HeloMenelo
3.1 / 5 (27) May 08, 2016
HeloMenelo

4.6 / 5 (10) 18 hours ago

Consider how much better this site would be, if those with an IQ below two, like the poster above, were exterminated. It's a perfect cut.

The real problem is those without any iq's like the one in this quote above, but me being caring and sympathetic, i'll always be handing out your bannanas cause we like to see you clown about as it makes big oil look like idiots... ;)


It's not a level playing field. ? PO is really over the top with their denier protection racket.


don't worry they are making themselves out as bafoons everyday, just enjoy the show...
what makes it hilarious is the fact that the denier campaign by the oil shills paying antigoracle i r baboon to post bs with all his socks actually degrades their credibility by every post he makes, it's beyond ludricous.... :)
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (25) May 08, 2016
@jimbo
You like to talk about psychosis; it's basically being uncontrollably out of control. Prove you're not psychotic. Ignore him. You can't
It would be a disservice to the community.

"The high incidence of [psycho]pathy in human society has a profound effect on the rest of us who must live on this planet, too, even those of us who have not been clinically traumatized. The individuals who constitute this 4 percent drain our relationships, our bank accounts, our accomplishments, our self-esteem, our very peace on earth.

"Yet surprisingly, many people know nothing about this disorder, or if they do, they think only in terms of violent psychopathy - murderers, serial killers, mass murderers - people who have conspicuously broken the law many times over, and who, if caught, will be imprisoned, maybe even put to death by our legal system."

-George kamburoff provides a unique opportunity for study and enlightenment.
NiteSkyGerl
2.3 / 5 (27) May 08, 2016
Spoken like a true addict.

The point is well taken. That's why Trump will get the nomination. But making George into that opportunity is just an addict's rationalizing behavior. lol You remind me of the girl that said she did cocaine to save her parents having to get her a nose job.

Save us from EVERYONE that wants to save us!
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (25) May 08, 2016
@jimbo

-Case in point: its amazing to me how many people like you totally misconstrue George kamburoffs activity and intent.

"We are not commonly aware of, nor do we usually identify, the larger number of nonviolent [psychopaths] among us, people who often are not blatant lawbreakers, and against whom our formal legal system provides little defense.

"Most of us would not imagine any correspondence between conceiving an ethnic genocide and, say, guiltlessly lying to one's boss about a coworker. But the psychological correspondence is not only there; it is chilling."

"The presence or absence of conscience is a deep human division, arguably more significant than intelligence, race, or even gender."

-You would be more familiar with George kamburoffs multitude of lies and fabrications if you spent more time here.

-Disguising their true nature is what people like George spend their entire lives practicing and perfecting. Don't feel too bad about being duped.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (25) May 08, 2016
Save us from EVERYONE [who] wants to save us!
Its simple. All George kamburoff has to do is stop lying and fabricating, and trying to justify his right to do so by lying about his education and experience.

And then the many people here who object to this behavior, will have nothing left to object to.
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (15) May 08, 2016
If this thread is any example, I see the USA is slowly sinking like the supertanker in Waterworld. Perhaps Trump is building the wall to keep the planet safe from the yankee loons? Well in any case Africans are returning to Africa. Unlike their debt-slave descendants they see the yanks are congenital warmongering morons who will probably end up locked up in some Matrix scenario while babbling about their freedumbs. UN should pay for wall around Pacific and Atlantic to finish the job

Pathetic CONINTEL spook trolls here cannot even construct coherent retorts anymore. Pathetic NAZI-sponsoring wasteland. Morons do not even realize that enlightened NAZIs will be their worst nightmare. Up and coming
NiteSkyGerl
2.3 / 5 (34) May 08, 2016
Otto, do you know anyone over 70? Try to get them to change which news channel they watch. Try to get them to put their shoes in a different spot. It's hopeless. But you really think you're going to transform his psyche, over the internet? I think he has very little control over what he does. Using him as a test subject is like trying out your new boots by kicking someone without legs.

Now you're bordering on gross hypocrisy. Ever said to the deniers, "You've made up your mind and no facts exist that could dissuade you"? Ditto. You really should know better. Again, they're locked into some sort of dysfunctional ego identity with those causes. Again, are you better than they are? Behavior is all we have on the 'net. You, as a person, will never be known to us.

I'd bet good money that if people were to meet in real life from this site, without knowing who was who, that many of the implacable foes would actually be very similar people that would get along.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (25) May 08, 2016
Girly, I suggest you look into the psyche of the kook who is simply an internet bully, and a coward, at that.

I am a real person, and most of the rest of you are cowering behind pseudonyms.

You are irrelevant, not being real.

otto's problem is that I proved who I am and what I did, while he has done nothing but criticize, . . and hide.

It started out when I brought up experience they doubted, so we began the long process of proof of all the adventures, from rocket planes at Edwards AFB to the Electronic Battlefield in the Vietnam War, to being an EE making semiconductors, to the NASA studies and reports, to being a Senior Energy Services Engineer for PG&E, to my Power Quality work.

All of it was in context of the issue being discussed. But I was immediately branded a "LIAR!". I was hoping for questions regarding how it was done, who did what, how it worked, and such.

I expected too much.
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (15) May 08, 2016
I am a real person, and most of the rest of you are cowering behind pseudonyms.
Nice one, VietPet
kochevnik
1.5 / 5 (17) May 08, 2016
Yank Neoliberals think nothing of destroying Libyan Arab Republic for no fucking reason at all but their imploding ziodollar, destabilizing Africa and Europe in one act, yet they act very worried about four sinking islands in an atoll of 20,000

Mortal weakness is they're afraid of dying, because they have no cause greater than greed and psychopathy. Real humans are not afraid of sacrificing for their country

Yes AGW is a concern. No, there are yet few unbiased studies independent of globalists and USA which has the sole agenda of fucking up the planet because nobody stops them
jonnyrox
1.2 / 5 (23) May 09, 2016
OMG ... will the alarmist BS ever stop ??????????????
jeffensley
1.7 / 5 (12) May 09, 2016
Huh, no mention of the improving conditions of the Sahel and overall greening of the African continent as a whole? Well that's odd. I guess projections have become more important than direct observations.
antigoracle
1.5 / 5 (15) May 09, 2016
I am a real person, and most of the rest of you are cowering behind pseudonyms.

Awww! You are sitting at the wrong duck pond, Joe.
https://www.youtu...4pcPyY2I
Garrote
1.9 / 5 (28) May 09, 2016
kochevnik 1 / 5 (4)
...ziodollar...


Pussy Putin's proebali raise their ugly red head like the dick of a dog!
Hey, mal'chik na pobegushkakh, mudak vash mudak and come back when you have an original thought. Preferably, it will be about physics. Ever heard of a political blog? Having trouble making your quota, eh? Well, that's because you're a loser.

kochevnik 1 / 5 (7) May 08, 2016
If this thread is any example,


Actually this whole site is an example of Russians trying their damnedest to prove everything they ever said about bourgeois capitalism during the cold war was spot on.

obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (18) May 09, 2016
I also submitted a proposal to Tepco for using dry ice in pipes underground at Fukushima
So dry ice is a liquid. I see.

LIke I say, youre a fake.
- Otto the Nazi lover
Who said the dry ice was liquid? Is that your dim bulb brain imagining things again?
Why do you imagine that "dry ice" is a liquid, you pretentious asshole? It is a SOLID WHICH TURNS INTO CO2 GAS AS IT MELTS. It also stays frozen much longer than water ice which is why I designed the pipe system for underground use to build a wall of ice. Tepco accepted my suggestion and my design and has built the system and it is in use. WITH DRY ICE.
Your stupidity has not gone unnoticed. Bwaa haahaahaaaaaa
howhot2
5 / 5 (8) May 09, 2016
Holly freaking shit!!! The mid-east is going to collapse as a society and develop Soylent Green as sustenance! Holy cow!
howhot2
5 / 5 (8) May 09, 2016
The number of climate refugees WILL increase dramatically in future. That is just fact. The article is right on the money about climate warming's effect on the Middle East. I can't believe the deniers are arguing against this story when it's clearly true.
OMG ... will the alarmist BS ever stop ??????????????
When will your stupidity stop? Are you so naive as to not recognize all of the signs of the global extinction from caused by the combustion of fossil fuels. Just do the math. Just look outside. Just look at the weather for a change. If you really want sever, look a Greenland, the Arctic, the Russian permafrost.
You deniers are just a sorry bunch.

obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (18) May 09, 2016
I also submitted a proposal to Tepco for using dry ice in pipes underground at Fukushima
So dry ice is a liquid. I see.

LIke I say, youre a fake.
- Theghostofotto1923

Ohhh LMAO I have GOT to copy this one. It's a good example of how well Otto understands Physics. HOOYEEI!!
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (17) May 09, 2016
Holly freaking shit!!! The mid-east is going to collapse as a society and develop Soylent Green as sustenance! Holy cow!
- howhot2
So you really REALLY think that those Mooslims in the middle East are gonna start eating people? Even though they don't eat pork because it's against their religion? But they will eat people??
Uh..if you say so.
howhot2
5 / 5 (8) May 09, 2016
@obama_socks if you even had a reasonable clue about global warming from fossil fuel combustion and the climate change it brings, I may consider your comments. But since you don't care, neither do I care what you say. You just a right wing toad, that wants to kiss the butt of your man. So soylent green is the end result of mankind's indifference to global warming. You didn't get that metaphor?
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (18) May 09, 2016
Four hour harvest of physorg NAZI sympathizers: john berry_hobbes gkam MalleusConspiratori jljenkins jim_xanara fckthierreyhenry BongThePuffin
- kochevnik

Good to see that you're on to the little fun and games that Otto & his sock puppets provide in this Physorg. Otto doesn't have much more time, so he will take advantage of all the regulars who have fallen for Otto and his sockpuppetry like the idiots they are. It won't be too long and the time is coming. Even after a thousand years in isolation, Otto is still the same as he was back then - without remorse. Otto KNOWS that he doesn't have too much time left and he will do everything possible to lead willing souls to perdition.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT, LUCI?
Mike_Massen
2.7 / 5 (26) May 09, 2016
obama_socks (OS) says
.. a SOLID WHICH TURNS INTO CO2 GAS AS IT MELTS
Not quite, proper term is "sublimation"

1. Key is comparative specific heat, latent heat of vaporization & thermal conductivity

OS claims
.. stays frozen much longer than water ice
Really ?

2. You claim to do "algorithms" at work & they're "checked" too, so educate us in key algebra quantifying your claim "much longer" & what mass ?

ie Heat flow calcs especially so in reference to the overall mass for delta T

OS claims more
.. I designed the pipe system for underground use to build a wall of ice
Really ?

3. What solids flow method did you design to transport dry-ice & avoid reforming via sublimation/condensation into plugs & what system pressure ?

OS claims
Tepco accepted my suggestion and my design and has built the system and it is in use. WITH DRY ICE
See 2, 3

OS
Bwaa haahaahaaaaaa
Uh ? are you 15 yrs old ?

Comparative thermal calcs; see 1, please answer 2 & 3 ?
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (17) May 09, 2016
Yes, I am that person who suggested using dry ice. Funny how you chose to include my great idea of using dry ice to cool the rods
Yes - but not actually in contact with the rods, just suspended above them. Right?

Bwahaahaaahaaaa.

Like I say nobody is this stupid except on purpose. And anybody who thinks they are being clever by pretending to be this stupid, cant be very smart at all.
- Otto the Nazi

The rods were going to be removed according to plan. Why would you want the dry ice pipes touching the rods?
You really MUST BE INSANE, Luci.
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (17) May 09, 2016
obama_socks (OS) says
.. a SOLID WHICH TURNS INTO CO2 GAS AS IT MELTS
Not quite, proper term is "sublimation"

1. Key is comparative specific heat, latent heat of vaporization & thermal conductivity

OS claims
.. stays frozen much longer than water ice
Really ?

- Muttering Mike

Yes, really. And my design that I submitted to Tepco along with my suggestion to use dry ice and a refrigeration unit was accepted. It is working fine. And that is all you need to know.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (16) May 09, 2016
@obama_socks if you even had a reasonable clue about global warming from fossil fuel combustion and the climate change it brings, I may consider your comments. But since you don't care, neither do I care what you say. You just a right wing toad, that wants to kiss the butt of your man. So soylent green is the end result of mankind's indifference to global warming. You didn't get that metaphor?
- howhot2

You still didn't answer my question. Do you REALLY believe that the Muslims will start eating people, re your Soylent Green?
howhot2
4.6 / 5 (9) May 09, 2016
@obama_socks if you even had a reasonable clue about global warming from fossil fuel combustion and the climate change it brings, I may consider your comments. But since you don't care, neither do I care what you say. You just a right wing toad, that wants to kiss the butt of your man. So soylent green is the end result of mankind's indifference to global warming. You didn't get that metaphor?
- howhot2

You still didn't answer my question. Do you REALLY believe that the Muslims will start eating people, re your Soylent Green?

I don't need to. I was a metaphorical question aimed at you. So answer me this; do you eat your own children? In your most desperate rightwing hours, would you eat the soylent green?
Your a cannibal if you do, but that may be the only way you can survive.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (16) May 09, 2016
Consider how much better this site would be, if those with an IQ below two, like the poster above, were exterminated. It's a perfect cut.


The real problem is those without any iq's like the one in this quote above, but me being caring and sympathetic, i'll always be handing out your bannanas cause we like to see you clown about as it makes big oil look like idiots... ;)
HM

You will be included too...I promise.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (16) May 09, 2016
@obama_socks if you even had a reasonable clue about global warming from fossil fuel combustion and the climate change it brings, I may consider your comments. But since you don't care, neither do I care what you say. You just a right wing toad, that wants to kiss the butt of your man. So soylent green is the end result of mankind's indifference to global warming. You didn't get that metaphor?
- howhot2

You still didn't answer my question. Do you REALLY believe that the Muslims will start eating people, re your Soylent Green?

Answer me this; do you eat your own children? In your most desperate rightwing hour, would you eat the soylent green?
- howhot2

Why are you afraid to answer my question, moron? I asked you first. And you still didn't answer my question. Do you REALLY believe that the Muslims will start acting people, re your Soylent Green?

howhot2
5 / 5 (6) May 09, 2016
I assume that you would not want to be cannibal and eat the soylent green @obama_sock, so why would you not want stop global warming by all means, including a carbon tax, or heavy taxes on fossil fuels?
Mike_Massen
2.9 / 5 (25) May 09, 2016
obama_socks obviously caught making idle claims again & again claims *more*
.. my design that I submitted to Tepco along with my suggestion to use dry ice and a refrigeration unit was accepted. It is working fine. And that is all you need to know
Really ?

How is it, that it didn't occur to you Tepco's engineering team would, by necessity, consider several heat flow scenarios as part of an emergency management plan long before the media got any idea of the intent ?

Do I hear the ghost of Benni walking the crumbling parapet of ever more idle ego-claims, never supported ever by any Math which might go even a bit towards us not firming our view of you as a 15 yr old who claims "verifiable evidences" ?

So you've submitted a thermal design to Tepco as part of their earlier emergency management plan ie before media released information re their intentions ?

All this done quickly, professionally by someone blurting "Bwaa haahaahaaaaaa" at the drop of a hat, 15 ?
howhot2
5 / 5 (10) May 09, 2016
Listen @Obama_sock, this is not about Mooosslums (the mid-east has many Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc ... Satanists and Atheists as well). No, this is about the mid-east being destroy by global warming. If your such a wingnut that you can't figure out that little bit, you need help.

obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (17) May 10, 2016
@obama_socks if you even had a reasonable clue about global warming from fossil fuel combustion and the climate change it brings, I may consider your comments. But since you don't care, neither do I care what you say. You just a right wing toad, that wants to kiss the butt of your man. So soylent green is the end result of mankind's indifference to global warming. You didn't get that metaphor?
- howhot2

Metaphor? Oh, you must mean like what Otto said a few years ago that FISH IS A METAPHOR FOR WOMANLY SMELLS.
Oh THAT kind of metaphor.
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (17) May 10, 2016
I assume that you would not want to be cannibal and eat the soylent green @obama_sock, so why would you not want stop global warming by all means, including a carbon tax, or heavy taxes on fossil fuels?
- howhot2
You know what? I think that YOU are OBSESSED with that old movie starring Edward G. Robinson, and it has gone to your head. You can't stop thinking about it. You know, that kind of obsession can make you a manic-depressive as well as a psychopath just like Otto and StumpRump. When you become like Otto, you will begin calling everyone a psychopath who disagrees with you. Is that what you are aiming to do?

As far as ME stopping "global warming", Summertime is almost here. Ask me again AFTER the summer is over and it starts getting cold.
howhot2
5 / 5 (10) May 10, 2016
@IObaba_sock; Haha. Ok. You win the funniest reply of the night. Let me quote Zippy the Pinhead;
All life is a blur of Republicans and meat.
Kind of reminds us all of Soylent green and the Middle East doesn't it?
HeloMenelo
2.6 / 5 (23) May 10, 2016
OMG ... will the alarmist BS ever stop ??????????????


The alarmist scientific proof will always prevail, on the other hand, being a puppet like you of a monkey called antigoracle, will never stop swinging branches, round and round, and in turn you will always be rewarded your bannanas.
HeloMenelo
2.6 / 5 (22) May 10, 2016
Huh, no mention of the improving conditions of the Sahel and overall greening of the African continent as a whole? Well that's odd. I guess projections have become more important than direct observations.


I have been to Africa a month ago and it's getting bone dry over there, sorry blowing smoke won't make it become reality monkey gorale sock. have another bannana
HeloMenelo
2.7 / 5 (23) May 10, 2016
I also submitted a proposal to Tepco for using dry ice in pipes underground at Fukushima
So dry ice is a liquid. I see.

LIke I say, youre a fake.
- Theghostofotto1923

Ohhh LMAO I have GOT to copy this one. It's a good example of how well Otto understands Physics. HOOYEEI!!


don't worry antigoracle monkey sock, we got a linked saved about you trying to cover up your lies, my fingers always itchy to post it... ;) and evidence about how little you know about science becomes apparent after each post you make throughout a decade of sock blowing smoke into them duplicating the bs you present by the hour here on physorg, a job i'm so glad i don't have... :D
HeloMenelo
2.7 / 5 (24) May 10, 2016
obama_socks (OS) says
.. a SOLID WHICH TURNS INTO CO2 GAS AS IT MELTS
Not quite, proper term is "sublimation"

1. Key is comparative specific heat, latent heat of vaporization & thermal conductivity

OS claims
.. stays frozen much longer than water ice
Really ?

- Muttering Mike

Yes, really. And my design that I submitted to Tepco along with my suggestion to use dry ice and a refrigeration unit was accepted. It is working fine. And that is all you need to know.

aaa...i r baboon have many designs he thinks is worthy of a prize, they usually do well... in a circus :D
HeloMenelo
2.6 / 5 (23) May 10, 2016
@obama_socks if you even had a reasonable clue about global warming from fossil fuel combustion and the climate change it brings, I may consider your comments. But since you don't care, neither do I care what you say. You just a right wing toad, that wants to kiss the butt of your man. So soylent green is the end result of mankind's indifference to global warming. You didn't get that metaphor?


o yes he's krept real deep up that no sunshine hole, i bet he's being whipped like a true sissyboy everytime he shows signs of weakness for not posting bs from his oil superior trollmaster, being so persistant posting bs on physorg.... monkey wants some more whiplasshhhh....come....and..get it :D
gkam
1.5 / 5 (25) May 10, 2016
Menelo, please stop the personal stuff. Using their own nastiness and silliness against them will not defeat the deniers and trolls.

It just brings you down to their level and ruins the forum.
Pumastar
1.4 / 5 (16) May 10, 2016
aks 4 too
HeloMenelo
2.8 / 5 (27) May 10, 2016
:) not gonna happen... not ever... ;) It does not at all, it highlights their stupidity and exposes their true intent, my friends here are aplenty and ratings are sound, my intentions are all for helping the planet, and that has been made more than clear.... can't wait to expose the next troll... :D
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (25) May 10, 2016
Otto, do you know anyone over 70?
Yeah and most are honest, decent people.
I think he has very little control over what he does. Using him as a test subject is like trying out your new boots by kicking someone without legs
What makes you think that all elderly people are lying cheating psychopaths like George kamburoff?
Again, they're locked into some sort of dysfunctional ego identity with those causes
Well Ive just concluded, sadly, that youre a very narrow-minded bigot. Arent you?

We're talking about a single individual whose actions here indicate that he is IMO a psychopath. They come in all shapes and sizes and ages.
Again, are you better than they are?
You bet. I have a conscience.
I'd bet good money that if people were to meet in real life... very similar people that would get along
Well if I met you and you went off on how all old people are drooling imbeciles, I'd smile and walk away. And key your car badly. Seriously.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (24) May 10, 2016
Just for shits and giggles
Ohhh LMAO I have GOT to copy this one. It's a good example of how well Otto understands Physics. HOOYEEI!!
"Dry ice, sometimes referred to as "cardice" (chiefly by British chemists), is the solid form of carbon dioxide."

-So explain please how a solid can be pumped through pipes.
And my design that I submitted to Tepco along with my suggestion to use dry ice and a refrigeration unit was accepted
Uh no, no it wasn't.

"Freeze pipes, made from normal steel, are sunk into the ground at regular intervals. The spacing is normally about one meter. Then, some type of coolant is fed into the pipes... brine -- salty liquid which can be cooled far below the freezing point of fresh water without turning into a solid."
and that's all you have to know
Well it would be nice to know why in-patients like yourself are allowed to have internet access.
obama_socks
2.2 / 5 (17) May 10, 2016
Menelo, please stop the personal stuff. Using their own nastiness and silliness against them will not defeat the deniers and trolls.

It just brings you down to their level and ruins the forum.
- gkam
You poor schmuck. You STILL don't understand that HeloMenelo IS OTTO in another one of his sock puppet disguises. Most people on Physorg have recognized Otto's M.O. for years now. But people like YOU are still hiding your head in the sand. Do you have a brain, or do you have to wait for Otto to get back into his primary account name to begin cursing you out and calling you a liar before you notice something is wrong?
Otto uses all kinds of disguises - some pretending to be benevolent or friendly...or even funny.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT, OTTO?
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (18) May 10, 2016
This exodus is already happening with the cackling Hitlary murdering Quidaffi. He was the last stop for migrating Africans seeking a better life, and he tried to establish an African commonwealth. Now all these desperate people simply flood Europe. Truly they should flood USA which incited the problem. Now yanktards are attempt to blame their loansharking, warmongering and psychopathy on weather. Pathetic.
- kochevnik
I gave you a FIVE for that, not that it helped your score any since 12 others ahead of me voted you down.
It's true that Libya was a good country under Qaddafi, to a certain extent. And it's also true that HillaryClinton was criminally negligent in the performance of her duties as Sec. of State. But what else could you expect from an Elitist Liberal/Socialist/Progressive/Marxist who was happy as a pig in shite over her appointment when she wasn't nominated for Pres. Four Americans were murdered by savages b/c of her. I'm sure many will come here.
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (16) May 10, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923

1 /5 (1) 40 minutes ago

You are screaming and ranting in the wrong thread.

I suggest you settle down

-or else george kamburoff the lying cheating psychopath will sue you for defamation.

You goobers have all been forewarned.


Imagine that. You slander someone in public and they threaten to sue you for defamation. What is the world coming to?(!) You and Grumpy are just as deluded thinking (..)You have an obsession and you slake it by slandering him. You're all sick. You're all a disgrace to the discussion. You like to talk about psychosis;(..)You would stay awake at night thinking how "the unaware" are failing to vote him down. It's ur sacred duty!

There seem to be about 5 people on here that aren't socks or raving lunatics. And, no, I don't count myself among that number. That's why I'm here!
- jim_xanara

Good to have you back, jim. But now your name is MUD in Otto's circle of FIENDS. Ratings don't matter.
HeloMenelo
2.5 / 5 (21) May 11, 2016
i love it when antigoracle speaks with his own socks, i guess he's gotto keep talking to them to not end up completely in the nuthouse... hey whatever works 'ol monkey, 'nother bannana ? :)

as promised, i bring forth a post that gave us a good laugh the other day :D

http://phys.org/n...ate.html
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (21) May 11, 2016
-So explain please how a solid can be pumped through pipes.
-What - no answer pussytard?
howhot2
4.4 / 5 (7) May 11, 2016
Obama_sock; even his nick implies he's dickish.
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (22) May 12, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 (TGoO) asks obama_socks (OS)
So explain please how a solid can be pumped through pipes
Trivial to pipe solids (minus phase change potentials) but, thats not the biggest failure of OS' claim on this...

BTW: With socks for feet, which end inserted as either end seems very painful ?

OS' nil understanding of thermal dynamics, nil point using dry-ice compared to chilled brine as dry-ice thermal conductivity abysmal !

So a chemical engineer designing a thermal methodology for Tepco for that purpose would not only fail & likely get sacked but, likely face a negligence suit !

Still waiting for OS to provide "facts" he claims he has in terms of "verifiable evidences" re his claim global geological thermal sources far higher than from radiative forcing, ugh ?

Whilst at it, OS can tell us just what "algorithms" he does daily at work ?

TGoO
.. no answer pussytard?
We're not 15 yrs old, lets lift beyond ugliness :/ so education instead please ?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.4 / 5 (19) May 12, 2016
Trivial to pipe solids (minus phase change potentials)
-So then YOU explain how dry ice can be pumped through pipes irrespective of how it could transport heat.
We're not 15 yrs old, lets lift beyond ugliness :/ so education instead please?
I always respond in kind. You ought to know that.
Mike_Massen
2.1 / 5 (21) May 12, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 (TGoO) asks
.. YOU explain how dry ice can be pumped through pipes irrespective of how it could transport heat
Easy, selective moderating fluid.

Chemical engineers/Food Scientists have been transporting solids through pipes for many decades. Its possible with appropriate utility but, not suitable in this situation.

Observe I did ask obama_socks (OS) for his working pressure, its crucial to minimise plugging effects due to phase changes. Anyway, pointless as OS says for some other aspect & refuses to discuss

Clearly OS & others have no discipline or education in this & many fields & it shows up often !

TGoO says
I always respond in kind
"Always" - as a robot ?

Hasn't mature human culture gone beyond idly following religious "eye for any eye" ?

TGoO says
You ought to know that
Most posts bark ugly dissent with varying degrees of aggression ie erratic behaviour, sad :/

Please change & lift up Eg educate with dialectic :-)
LifeBasedLogic
May 13, 2016
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TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (18) May 13, 2016
Chemical engineers/Food Scientists have been transporting solids through pipes for many decades. Its possible with appropriate utility but, not suitable in this situation
Sorry that doesn't explain how you can pump dry ice through pipes.

So when you said
Trivial to pipe solids
-you weren't actually providing an argument for piping dry ice through pipes. You were being dishonest. As usual.
thermodynamics
5 / 5 (6) May 13, 2016
Wow, I thought someone would chime in and answer the question about "pumping solids" through the pipes. The answer is that they don't.

They pump liquid CO2 or supercritical CO2 through the pipes (depending on temperature) because CO2 is liquid at temperature below 302.45K and above the vapor curve pressure and it is a supercritical fluid above 302.45K and 1071 psi. So, they keep it above the supercritical pressure and it can be pumped through uninsulated pipes as a fluid, independent of the ambient temperature.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.5 / 5 (15) May 13, 2016
Wow, I thought someone would chime in and answer the question about "pumping solids" through the pipes. The answer is that they don't.

They pump liquid CO2 or supercritical CO2 through the pipes (depending on temperature) because CO2 is liquid at temperature below 302.45K and above the vapor curve pressure and it is a supercritical fluid above 302.45K and 1071 psi. So, they keep it above the supercritical pressure and it can be pumped through uninsulated pipes as a fluid, independent of the ambient temperature.
You didn't read the thread. So now you've got to answer the question why pussytard insists that DRY ICE can be pumped through pipes.

You might also want to explain why you think piped liquid CO2 is used to construct ice walls.
Mike_Massen
2.2 / 5 (20) May 14, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 (TGoO) can't recall post progress or wants to misconstrue context with
Sorry that doesn't explain how you can pump dry ice through pipes
As I wrote, easy with appropriate moderating fluid, my 2nd post May 12

TGoO claims
..you weren't actually providing an argument for piping dry ice through pipes
As I said inappropriate, dry-ice thermal conductivity abysmal, my 1st post May 12

Please understand a thing called 'context' in flow of posts.

TGoO sadly shows up with this claim
You were being dishonest
No, comprehend posts, you've misread (on purpose) as if to instill a technical fail, completely false :/

TGoO
As usual
Evidence ?

Clarifying if you *wanted* to move dry-ice you need a suitable moderating fluid provided you address pressure as I said but, don't need to as thermodynamics added re supercriticality

But, inappropriate to Tepco re obama_socks false claim in context, simple.

Solids easy, need is another matter !
Mike_Massen
2.2 / 5 (20) May 14, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 (TGoO) claims of thermodynamics
You didn't read the thread
I'm sure he did !

TGoO hasnt appreciated technical info re supercriticality ie if you *wanted* to transport CO2 per se', thermodynamics offered you an education, please say thanks !

We share tertiary study; high level education, commensurate training & industry experienc with overall discipline. My engineering had ~2 yrs pre-requisites prior to specialization in; Mechanical, Chemical, Electronics etc

Decades later I studied Food Science which *includes* transport of solids in moderating liquids - the very same as Chemical engineers in context Eg Slurries ie baked beans, soups etc

An academic thermal exercise re dry-ice is a special case re sublimation, can be in assignment problems exploring design dilemmas etc

If you wanted to you CAN but, no need & anyway beyond level of your debate !

TGoO 15 yrs old
.. pussytard insists that DRY ICE ..
obama_socks failed to reply, so ?
Mike_Massen
2.2 / 5 (20) May 14, 2016
Adding to my last 2 posts so its abundantly clear so readers to come aren't oddly misled !

TheGhostofOtto1923 said
...-you weren't actually providing an argument for piping dry ice through pipes
This appeared addressed to me but, not up to me, should have been addressed to obama_socks (OS) in context with my challenge on his false claims re Tepco

NB: *only* issue I offered, regardless OS' posts, is it Can be done if need be but, I don't support in context of OS' claim at all - ok ?

"Why" can be in Food Science perspective perhaps re specifics of dry-ice (mainly) excess might be (part) utilized as an ice-cream texturiser

Scope & breadth (of such a primarily academic exercise) is beyond your apparent focus to twist sequence to suit saving face d& ignore education ie Not politics !

OS can't offer "why", asking better than ugly name calling - ok ? Not 15 yrs old :/

FWIW: I can conceive of an interesting entertainment reason "why" but, not relevant here ;-)
sirfiroth
2 / 5 (8) May 14, 2016
This article was evidently written and intended for Marvel Comics and posted here by mistake. A genuine piece of pseudo-scientific buffoonery amounting to nothing more than pure speculation. In my absence of one year I see the pseudo-scientific factions (you know who you are) are as ignorant as ever and continue stacking more fictional predictions on top of all the previous failed predictions. I will be glad when NASA; dumps their pseudo-scientific climate change and Muslim pacification programs allowing them to return to their originally intended purpose of space exploration. When it comes to this board, it is a poor excuse as a scientific information clearing house clearly demonstrates there's a "replication crisis" in science. Amounting to cacophony of human error and outright fraud. I'll check back next year but don't really expect much if any improvement.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.5 / 5 (15) May 14, 2016
As I wrote, easy with appropriate moderating fluid, my 2nd post May 12
-And what moderating fluid would you propose to enable the pumping of dry ice through pipes?
This appeared addressed to me but, not up to me, should have been addressed to obama_socks
I did originally address the question to pussytard. You started this rot by offering to defend her. As usual you can't answer direct questions with direct answers.
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (18) May 16, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 (TGoO) asked
... what moderating fluid would you propose to enable the pumping of dry ice through pipes?
Many possibilities, could start with Nitrogen but, depends on a design spec, re dry-ice - an academic exercise as a special case but, you're not renowned for sincerity in asking questions :/

Vast majority of times you (purposely) misconstrue, it seems to vainly set up a facile criticism casting doubt upon responder, ie an ugly uneducated tactic of undisciplined behaviour, not smart in public...

TGoO said
.. question to pussytard
Still 15 then :/

TGoO Fails in comprehension
You started this rot by offering to defend her
No & False
1. Technical convergence isn't 'rot'
2. My 1st post 12 May, shows obama_socks' "nil understanding" ie criticism isn't defence :P

TGoO claims
As usual you can't answer direct questions with direct answers
No, you misconstrue again acting like a 15yr old & unable to comprehend, learn Physics !
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (18) May 16, 2016
FWIW
For those interested in the technicalities of moving solids in pipes & use of moderating fluids - its essential to get a grasp of the comparative physical properties of the solid & fluids first separately, then in a conjunctive aspect re intent.

As I reported earlier; Food Scientists (me) & Chemical Engineers handle this routinely. To appreciate how to ask a question (politely & intelligently) re that specialisation, its helpful to learn how to approach it Eg. What purpose, how to engage with professionals, politeness, intelligence & overall appreciate its helpful to have some foundation in:-

1. Physics Eg Mechanics
2. Accepted terminology appropriate from the academic to an engineering solution
3. Helpful discussion protocols so people take you seriously, if you *want* to learn ?

Eg Experimental setup of incompressible solids motion in water
https://www.youtu...X90ZfBj4

Addressing any solids damage goes further re flow induction pumping etc
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
Many possibilities, could start with Nitrogen but, depends on a design spec, re dry-ice - an academic exercise as a special case but, you're not renowned for sincerity in asking questions :/
Right. So then how do you propose to combine liquid N2 with solid chunks of CO2 (you know, dry ice?), or powdered dry ice I suppose, and pump this concoction through pipes?

And further, what would make you think this could be useful for making ice walls as your friend the Cal Tech engr-with-many-patents pussytard has suggested?

You think the people here 1) don't know what slurries are and 2) don't know bullshit when they read it?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
You like links, here's a worthless one that might give you some answers
https://answers.y...4AA0p8c2

-Please note that there is a related question on the page re; powdered water. This may actually be from pussytard herself.

I actually made some $$ selling powdered water to ufologists at a convention in Sedona some years back. The water needed to reconstitute it was actually more expensive than the product itself as we were in the desert at the time.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
But I had cleverly brought water with me to sell also.

Etcetc.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (16) May 16, 2016
Those people will buy anything if you tell them it's alien technology okok I'll stop now.
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (18) May 16, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 (TGoO) Fails comprehension Again
... combine liquid N2 with solid chunks of CO2....
Why so facile, narrow & ignorant of mere liquid form of "moderating fluid" ?

TGoO claims
..and pump this concoction through pipes?
Again, easy for those in the Engineering profession that have done the hard yards 2 yrs of pre-requisites in Math/Physics/Chemistry before branching into their chosen specialisation; Electronic, Chemical, Mechanical, Civil etc - its Physics !

TGoO still Fails to comprehend
.. could be useful for making ice walls..
Already wrote "inappropriate" & "abysmal" re thermal conductivity, ie completely Pointless !

TGoO
.friend the Cal Tech pussytard..
Re-read my post, he made a false claim, not a "friend" & you are still 15, ugh :/

TGoO says
2) don't know bullshit when they read it?
You don't know Physics so you can't comprehend & most often very undisciplined, sad :/

Learn Physics, terminology & learn Focus :-)
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (18) May 17, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923 (TGoO) betrays an odd education deficit
You like links, here's a worthless one...
Huh ? You can't distinguish educated comments by a professional from idle rubbish & scams :/

Besides, my link illustrates easy to transport; sharp, rigid & even fragile solids simply via pipes exploiting a suitable "moderating fluid", observe
https://www.youtu...X90ZfBj4

Try & comprehend a base Physics education offers less likelihood you'll embarrass yourself & in public at worst, whilst being free of rubbish web sites !

Re my flow induction pumping comment
https://www.youtu...HplOIQCI
Watch in conjunction with my earlier link, pertinent to your idle misplaced criticisms...

TGoO claims
.. made some $$ selling powdered water
Ugh, very much doubt.. you found someone more gullible, less educated & even less disciplined than you :/

Whats your expertise, a specialisation, a fine area you're really quite good at & proud of ?
Noumenon
1.8 / 5 (19) May 21, 2016
BongThePuffin offered
.. much better PO would be if all the accounts with comments with an average rating below two, on this thread, were exterminated


I commend progress to address it but, can engender motivation for fake votes, already happened often re so called sock-puppets (SPs)


What is ironic about this exchange is the fact that the following account names are all the same person, who mass troll rates posts irrespective of content, as is evidenced by viewing my profile page (purely factual physics posts)....

BongThePuffin
NiteSkyGerl
fckthierreyhenry
john berry_hobbes
maloderousmiscreant
jim_xanara
AGreatWhopper
chileastro

.... so clearly such degenerate adolescent trolls indeed wish to use the ratings system as a weapon,... which indeed exposes it as fundamentally defective and yet a another means for trolls to disrupt PO and attempt to control what others freely choose to read.

Disable the ratings systems, and use the Ignore-option.

Mike_Massen
2.4 / 5 (18) May 21, 2016
Noumenon (Nou) claims
.. following account names are all the same person.. BongThePuffin,NiteSkyGerl,fckthierreyhenry,john berry_hobbes,maloderousmiscreant,jim_xanara,AGreatWhopper,chileastro
No, not at all ! Evidence from analysis script I run regularly shows otherwise & other reasons roo, Eg 1 "chips on their shoulders"..

Nou says
.. my profile page (purely factual physics..
Not your collection, Mostly re your posts; divergent, some weird or not useful, why care ?

You use time/space even going there, ironically making it worse re off topic focus, surprised by responses ?

Nou says
Disable the ratings..
1. No, bit extreme but, may fractionally relieve integrity of replies. Best moderate on a credential base Eg facebook/quora + $/mnth to vote (or post) + vote period perish. Always free to read :-)

Nou says
.. use the Ignore-option
No ! Allows idiots/trolls to litter threads leaving unsupportable claims unchallenged & personal attacks, ie 1.
Noumenon
1.7 / 5 (17) May 22, 2016
What "analysis script"? Did you just make that up? In various combinations they post in immediate succession to each other in many threads. They routinely mass-troll rate at the same time. They routinely up-rate each other. THIS is evidence, not some vague claim of "analysis script".

Noumenon
1.9 / 5 (18) May 22, 2016
..Mostly re your posts; divergent, some weird or not useful, why care ? You use time/space even going there, ironically making it worse re off topic focus, surprised by responses ?


This nothing more than your own "subjective generalized characterization" of my posts, and indeed is not substantively based, and is the problem with the rating system,… they presuppose competent objective reading of individual posts,…. but instead we get incompetent subjective judgment.

Perhaps you can tell me why the above list of trolls mass-1-rated my first eight posts in the following thread,… before showing up and posting in succession to each other and disrupting the thread? I expect an answer.

http://phys.org/n...ite.html

Noumenon
1.9 / 5 (18) May 22, 2016
I can provide references from prominent physicists for most of my posts. I typically do not get articulated counter points, but instead vague accusations and subjective characterizations. My posts are about physics just as others are. You are free to articulate an objection, but instead you are more interested in bickering with cranks.

-When has phys.org ever had a thread "on topic"? The most interesting threads are those that are not constrained to the very narrow research in the given article.

-Most of your OWN posts, and those of others like Stumpy, Ira, are "OFF TOPIC" by bickering with cranks, and only serve to quadruple the number of crankology here,… they do nothing to enlighten wrt WHY those cranks are wrong, nor do they serve to get rid of the cranks.

Read some of the posts from the above list of names,... are they "on topic"? Have they demonstrated knowledge of physics to qualify in mass-troll rating me,... or do they not like "right-wingers"?

Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (17) May 22, 2016
Ira, are "OFF TOPIC"
Skippy, why you want to drag me into this one too? I have not even been making many postums lately. And I am not one of the peoples down voting your karma score.

or do they not like "right-wingers"?
That is a silly thing to say. Especially since you have never been shy about expressing how much you like the "left-wingers".

I really do want to know though, why it is such a big deal about the karma voting? What does it mean?

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that it only means you have attracted somebody's attention. And it also seems to me that is what you wanted to do to start with. You should take it as a sign of success. And if somebody goes to the trouble to cheat and vote a dozens times, that it as a sign of overwhelming super success.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. Don't accuse me of being OFF TOPIC I am answering the topic you started by using my name up there.
Noumenon
1.7 / 5 (18) May 22, 2016
If I cared about comment ratings, I would not want the system disabled, but instead would simply yell at cranks and collect them all day along even though my posts would not be about science.

If I didn't care about rating system, I would not be defensive about the suggestion to disable it, but instead support that idea by acknowledging its abuse.

or do they not like "right-wingers"?


That is a silly thing to say. Especially since you have never been shy about expressing how much you like the "left-wingers".


You missed the point again skippy. It is not me who wish there to be thought-police here. The opposite in fact. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and showing that the rating-system is fraudulent.

If I make a political comment that leads one to think that I'm a "right-winger" I expect one to offer a counter point in context at that time,...... I don't expect that person to instead troll rate my purely factual physics posts, en masse, out of context.

Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (18) May 22, 2016
If I cared about comment ratings, I would not want the system disabled, but instead would simply yell at cranks and collect them all day along even though my posts would not be about science.
But you do care, a lot. Otherwise you would not spend so much time on this subject.

If I didn't care about rating system, I would not be defensive about the suggestion to disable it, but instead support that idea by acknowledging its abuse.
But we already established the fact you do care. It's the why you care so much I can not understand.

It is not me who wish there to be thought-police here. The opposite in fact. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and showing that the rating-system is fraudulent.
Well I will tell you true Cher, that one is right over my head. It sounds like you are wanting to be the thought police. At least as far as the way peoples express what they think about you, eh?
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (18) May 22, 2016
At least as far as the way peoples express what they think about you, eh?


Let me more explain what I mean with that. If somebody takes the time and the trouble to sign up with a dozen puppets to downvote my karma points I like that better than the upvotes. That is a form of expressing that I must have made an impact on them. The more puppets, the bigger the impact I made.

This is part I don't understand about why you, or anybody else, cares. You should take pride you make such an impact that you caused some couyon to go to all the trouble to do that. You caused him to jump through a lot of hoops to show how you have got to him, eh?

I really think there are too many peoples who take them selfs and what goes on here too serious. It is not very important. It's not like this is the right place to go to find out how much you are worth to the world, eh?

That's the way I see it anyhoo.
Noumenon
1.7 / 5 (17) May 22, 2016
Yes, It is not hard to understand why one who is routinely 5-rated for not posting on science seriously but only chasing cranks, ...would wonder why one who is routinely troll 1-rated en masse for posting on legitimate physics, would care about the corrupt rating system and want it disabled.

And btw, it's at least as important as it is that motivates some here to invest an inordinate amount of time bickering with cranks, instead of on substantive physics.

Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (17) May 22, 2016
would wonder why one who is routinely troll 1-rated en masse for posting on legitimate physics,
Cher all that means is you attracted their (or his if you are right about it being one person) attention. What I wonder about is somebody complaining when the attention he attracts is not the attention he was chooting for.

would care about the corrupt rating system and want it disabled.
Cher, I have asked, and asked a couple of extra agains too. WHY DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE? It's not like the world knows who noumemon-Skippy is. You are just one more couyon like the rest of us who like to fool around on this part of the interweb. Non great issues are getting decided here. If the quality of your life depends on your physorg comment section karma score then you are wasting your life Cher.

But I really want to know, WHY DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? WHAT IT DOES MEAN IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS? Can you please answer that for me because I am really curious.
Noumenon
1.7 / 5 (18) May 22, 2016
I answered your question, skippy.

I did not say it has meaning "in the grand scheme of things". Only, that it has as much meaning to me, as it does to you in chasing cranks around, skippy;... integrity of substance.... i.e. why does it matter to you that cranks post about the water-surface, plasma-universe theories, and sky-fairy theories, at a science site? Why does their thoughts have such a profound effect upon you that you would waste such time as you do, skippy?

I could ask similar questions, cher, no?

Is it not about integrity of substance at a science site,... as opposed to "impressionistic characterizations" as is the purpose of troll-ratings as well as cranks anti-science?

Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (16) May 22, 2016
Only, that it has as much meaning to me as it does to you in chasing cranks around, skippy;.... why does it matter to you that cranks post about the water-surface, plasma-universe theories, and sky-fairy theories, at a science site?
I think you got me mixed up with somebody else. Most of the full-time crankpots I have on the ignore.

Why does their thoughts have such a profound effect upon you that you would waste such time as you do, skippy?
They are usually boring for me which is why most of them are on the ignore list. The ones that interest me are the peoples who take them selfs to serious and act goofy doing it. I waste time on THOSE because they are entertaining for me.

I could ask similar questions, cher, no?
Ask in good faith and I will answer what my opinion is.

Is it not about integrity of substance at a science site,...
Cher, it is only a comment section where all kinds of couyons come to fool around. The substance is in the articles.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (16) May 22, 2016
P.S. for you Noumamen-Skippy.

For your instance, Bluehigher, can'tdrive, Bennie, antigalore, willie, vito, Bart#5, bachoot, hans, RegMonday, obama's-socks, Chooter, badrunner, Hyperfuzz, and a whole host of others are on my ignoring list. They are really boring after the first couple of days because they know they are idiots.

The crankpots that interest me are the ones who don't realize they are crankpots and think they are really something special and think the physorg is the place to prove they have what it takes to be the next Nobel-Skippy. The foolishment they write does not need me to point out it is foolishment, but is entertaining for me.

Cher, they got real science and philosophy forums for the serious stuffs, maybe you would have more satisfaction there. They are free too (but I am not sure about the double your money back guarantee.)
Noumenon
1.7 / 5 (17) May 22, 2016
What makes you think I don't post there and other means of discussion as well? Maybe Jerry-Springer has a forum for entertainment bickering postings, cher? But, I don't mind if you post here as well, skippy as you make me laugh at times,... I just don't get why you care so much that I propose to physorg to disable a ratings system that is abused, if in fact you don't care about ratings and agree that they have no meaning.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (15) May 22, 2016
I just don't get why you care so much that I propose to physorg to disable a ratings system that is abused, if in fact you don't care about ratings and agree that they have no meaning.


I don't "care" that you propose it. I just think it is strange that you invest so much time in complaining about how the karma points are going, and about other peoples off topic postums. It's the amount of energy you put into it that intrigues me, non more and non less.
Noumenon
1.7 / 5 (17) May 22, 2016
,... which is the same amount which you have invested as you tend to "show up" whenever I make such a proposal, eh?

Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (15) May 22, 2016
,... which is the same amount which you have invested as you tend to "show up" whenever I make such a proposal, eh?


I don't understand what that is supposed to mean. I "showed up" with you on this because I don't understand where you are coming from. And I am interested in why you think your "proposal" is something that is as important as you seem to think. Peoples acting odd is something I find interesting. But it is okay with me either way I suppose, carry on with your crusade.
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (15) May 22, 2016
@ Noumemon-Skippy. You been taking lessons on interweb experiments from Really-Skippy? Well, it teach two things. 1): You seem to care enough to go to some extra trouble to "show me what's what". And 2): I still don't care, I like that you would go to the trouble to attract my attention.

You interweb towering intellects sure are weird. Here, I am going to go back and give you the "5" karma votes since you like them so much, it is my pleasure to give you joi.
Noumenon
1.7 / 5 (18) May 22, 2016
If I got my way in disabling the rating functionality, I would not receive any 5's at all,... do you not understand this fact? So, it is not me who cares about karma points....

....what I do 'care' about is trolls abusing the rating-system in order to obscure the value of ones posts by 1-rating en mass.

Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (15) May 22, 2016
to obscure the value of ones posts by 1-rating en mass.


See, that is the part I don't understand, and you still have not explained even though I have asked before on the other article where we were having this same discussion.

How does the rating add or take away value from a comment? The value (or lack of) is in the comment, not the rating.

Do you really think some idiot is going to happen upon these comment pages and say to him self: "Wow, that Ira-Skippy's thing there is a 4.2 so he must be the go-to guy on the physics stuffs!"? If he thinks that all it means is he was hopelessly stupid when he got here.

The same with the peoples who think saying "I have uni degrees and hard work in this field and studied and learned" somehow makes what they are saying in the comments have more weight and meaning. The science stuffs they write are either right, or wrong, and all that extra stuffs is just smoke and mirrors trying to impress the audience with razzle dazzle.
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (18) May 23, 2016
Noumenon (Nou)
.. "analysis script"?
My code/script collates nicks re many metrics; language, response times, qualitative vs quantitative content, vote stats etc a handy tracker !

Nou sarcasm
.. make that up?
Of course not, Did EE 1976-82 & electives; Cybernetics under Clive Maynard, Eng Maths/IT under Bill Honig, tutoring Pascal re language keywords with Mike Newby, Lisp re Intelligent Agent (IA) linguistics under forgotten french lecturer...
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (18) May 23, 2016
..ooops timeout
@Noumenon (Nou)

Nou
...immediate succession to each other in many threads
But, why care ?

Nou
..routinely mass-troll rate at the same time
Why care & the precise means to collate/analyse quantitatively so you're not misled by mere emotion ?

Nou
..up-rate each other ... THIS is evidence
Nope ! minimal impressions at best :/

Mentioned my script before, basis for upcoming dialectic IA commercial package...

Noumenon, "Physics" you refer to outweighed by off linguistic tangents making discussion with you tiresome, instead of converging you tend to shift accepted views of terminology to go around a point or change meaning to just chat, wasting time :-(

Simple fact you've initiated a post re votes AND exacerbated it with *more* on votes tells heaps, votes are meaningless, let the children play with their ugly socks.

Do votes affect integrity ? they do for some, afraid to speak up, that is what idiots pursue via socks anonymity, sad :/
Captain Stumpy
4.6 / 5 (11) May 23, 2016
why does it matter to you that cranks post about the water-surface, plasma-universe theories, and sky-fairy theories, at a science site?
@Nou
because science isn't about belief- it's about what can be proven

this is why the subjective opinionated stuff (religion, philo, eu, alien abduction etc) is considered pseudoscience... because it doesn't meet the requirements of the scientific method

posting about it on a science site to gain "credibility" for a belief is not science, it's spam or trolling... and it used to be deleted or moderated away on PO

sharing science should be about sharing provable knowledge -not subjective beliefs
you don't want your surgeon asking you which end of the scalpel is sharp

.

.

We have to stop killing the animals or it's all over for us...
It doesn't appear that is going to happen, so...
maybe because we eat them, eh?
it aint so easy to swallow a live chicken, though i would pay good money to see you (davidW) try it
LMFAO
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (18) May 24, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS) says
sharing science should be about sharing provable knowledge
Correct but, not stopping there. Education absolutely essential so; naive, casual & less informed aren't misled or process obfuscated

To ensure we don't mislead, essential to fully appreciate inter-related Science terminology in context re best communication available ie Scientific papers

This has to include understanding issue of provenance re explicit references (stated, titles etc) AND (often fundamental physics as) implicit references (not stated, education etc)

Common vocabulary has specific meanings in Science context Eg Validation, as a key word, is primarily re issue of (empirical) evidence thus can only be after paper's publication, if before then correct usage is Supporting.

Empirical evidence Noumenon (Nou) also has specific meaning, not dis-similar to that in legals, ie quantitative

Nou, your language implies most of above isn't relevant re your intent, is it ?
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (12) May 24, 2016
Education absolutely essential so; naive, casual & less informed aren't misled or process obfuscated
@mike
just because someone doesn't hold a specific degree in, say, underwater basket weaving, doesn't mean they don't know anything about it...

and just because someone is educated in a similar or related field doesn't mean they're correct when they start fearmongering

when you allow your emotions to set the stage for the argument then you've already lost ... especially in a fact based science argument

and when you teach or talk about a scientific subject, you also either have to be clear, concise and use terminology correctly, i agree

... but if you don't consider your audience and how to best communicate your thoughts, you will also fail at communicating the science

this was your problem with the THz (and elsewhere) - making short bullet statements with ad-hoc personal vocabulary or shorthand isn't clear concise communication
Mike_Massen
2.6 / 5 (18) May 24, 2016
Yay Captain Stumpy (CS) added
.. problem with the THz
No. Problem entirely your unwillingness to learn correct use of terminology re Scientific paper's; intent, scope of work & conclusions you ignorantly claim as "proof", completely utterly inappropriate !

CS says
..short bullet statements with ad-hoc personal vocabulary
I made it abundantly clear its wrong & facile to claim a mere model is any (physical) proof whatsoever !

ie NIL experimental method, useless & badly misleading !

CS
..shorthand isn't clear concise..
Fine, than ASK, don't assume, don't meander, be focused, learn implicit provenance arises via (long) education

Despite advice, kept on with nicks, meandered to older papers that Also failed empirical evidence, can you please be disciplined re simple basic physics ?

I ask again, can you be *disciplined*, focus essentials, don't; mislead others, mis-interpret intent, misconstrue breadth or misunderstand Validation issues ?

Can you ?
Mike_Massen
2.6 / 5 (18) May 24, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS)
@mike
just because someone doesn't hold a specific degree ...doesn't mean they don't know anything..
Maybe but, you don't know how much or worse how little you know to be able to interpret importance of breadth/intent of Scientific Papers in terms of their terminology which takes Years to appreciate re fundamental Physics re ElectroMagnetic radiation (EM) !

CS claims
.. just because someone is educated in a similar or related field doesn't mean they're correct when they start fearmongering
Sure but, you leap to "fearmongering" as a facile defense - not valid & NOT issue at all, its EM & basics re Physics & there is a simple way to address this if you have *any* interest in learning that decades of experience in reading & interpreting papers at many levels far exceeds snapshots found by unclear google search trial & error to push an agenda

Start with

1. Basic EM, natural THz everywhere your logic says it must be harmless ?
Mike_Massen
2.6 / 5 (18) May 24, 2016
Captain Stumpy CS says
when you allow your emotions to set the stage for the argument then you've already lost ... especially in a fact based science argument
Damn right !

But, you Should know definition of a "fact" at level of Scientific Papers isn't necessarily same as that bandied about by those with nil education or experience of experimental methodology !

ie To be correct re facts for the purpose of mature convergence re technical discussion its sensible to recognise Facts arise (mainly) from "observation of empirical evidence from properly constructed experiments adhering to principles of Physics"...

Good, here are Facts re paper you claim, I quote your words verbatim
"not sure where you are going with this but... THz is harmless to humans"
Paper here:- http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf

A. Nil experimental evidence - is that a fact or not
B. Conclusion recommends experiment, is that a fact or not

Start with 1. in my last post re your sub-claim ?
Mike_Massen
2.6 / 5 (18) May 25, 2016
@Captain Stumpy,
Rather than burden you to learn EM Physics slow step by step. Easier start may be to inform us steps in your logic path applied to arrive at your claim

Here are five irrefutable facts, re paper you found:- http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf

1. Conclusion doesn't state proof or even a confirmation but, urges experiment
2. & says "speculation"
3. Abstract has 2 warnings; confirmation of "destabilising DNA" & thermals
4. References have nil experimental design ie Don't support any experimental method
5. Only a model with source power "weak" ie incomplete

i. Why should a mere model be so much more value than factual empirical evidence ?

Still happy to cover EM physics technical vagaries & will help you learn. I really hope you are not doggedly emotionally attached to your belief & able to articulate your precise logic path with (some) physics to converge that you misread the paper

NB: Papers like this Avoid word proof for *very* good reason !
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (13) May 25, 2016
re Scientific paper's; intent, scope of work & conclusions you ignorantly claim as "proof", completely utterly inappropriate
not in context mikey... try reading what i said, what the idiot g said and what the studies say all over again and quit being stupid about it...

the context was clear, concise and taking into consideration the argument (hazards of THz "fog" and exposure) then i am not only correct, but the studies i linked and referenced support my conclusions...

you can continue to state whatever you want... it is you who are failing with communication and actual comprehension of the argument itself, which is leading you to continue to drag the point up all over the place

until you can back up and actually read/comprehend the argument from it's entirety, i ain't gonna keep arguing it

as for your ad-hoc shorthand/interpretive vocabulary - you use a LOT of shorthand that is unique to you... not common
that ain't "making it clear"
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (18) May 25, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS) says
...try reading what i said
NOT about you, its what the author of the paper wrote:-

- Warnings
- Speculation
- Experiment *needed*

None of this, from AUTHOR of the paper, can ever be construed as proof !

CS
.. idiot..stupid
Remind you again, please focus ie on the paper & Physics !

CS
context was clear
Indeed *only* a model NOT an Experiment, therefore NOT proof !

CS
argument (hazards of THz "fog" and exposure)
No. Empirical Evidence is the basis of proofs NOT a model.

CS claims
.. studies i linked and referenced support my conclusions
Which Experimental proofs please ?.

CS
it is you who are failing with communication and actual comprehension of the argument itself
No. You haven't comprehended line of logic between a mere model & Empirical Evidence !

CS says
until you can back up .. argument..
Please comprehend NOT an argument, its about Empirical Evidence NOT a model !

Where's Evidence please ?
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (14) May 26, 2016
NOT about you
@mike
when you intentionally misrepresent an argument based upon your interpretations of a singular post and a specific study then you misrepresent the entire argument and thus, because you can't comprehend the context of the points being made, you fallaciously represent the science
Remind you again
then let me remind you this: until you actually read the context and points being made, STFU because you're arguing about X while the conversation is about C or F.

... like here
Which Experimental proofs please
i listed about 12 papers in reference to support the singular study that also made the same point (regarding the contextual argument)... just because you want to ignore it in that thread doesn't mean you are correct, nor does it mean i will cross post it YET AGAIN because you forgot

.

until you can be on the same page, it is useless to keep arguing...

& if you aint even gonna read the original argument, why continue it here?

WTF?
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (14) May 26, 2016
@mike cont'd
Which Experimental proofs please ?.
sorry... my mistake
i listed 20 additional studies that supported my original claim (and the linked study)
sorry for the number 12 typo above....
No. You haven't comprehended line of logic between a mere model & Empirical Evidence...
Please comprehend NOT an argument, its about Empirical Evidence NOT a model
before i go any further with you here on this thread, mike... i want you to list the studies and links i posted in reference to my claim

period

not commenting about the 20 studies that demonstrate (that means experimentation and empirical evidence) the same thing supporting a point in another study means that either you are not reading, not comprehending or just plain ignoring something

(you know ... like my references?)

so until we can meet on some ground for communication, either STFU or show you know WTF i referenced by posting it here
Mike_Massen
2.4 / 5 (17) Jun 06, 2016
Re: http://phys.org/n...eld.html

Captain Stumpy says
.. read up on "clear concise communication" eh? thanks
Cool, what a great idea & appropriate to the Audience of course re technical terms & use of language especially qualitative vs quantitative - surely you must agree with that ?

Isn't it intelligent to settle it maturely & inform the audience & me who you claim "can't read", the precise logic steps within your "clear concise communication" protocol that led you from the paper
(P1) http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf
to your subsequent open ended & all-encompassing claim
(C1) "i said the paper proved THz was harmless".

ie
What formal logic can you educate audience so as to go from paper P1 & arrive @ claim C1 ?

Of course, if you don't understand abbreviations used in the above sentences you will ask won't you, Eg "THz" ?
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (12) Jun 06, 2016
surely you must agree with that
yep... now that you read it, lets be "clear and concise"

I am going to ignore the rest of your comment because you still aren't listening to me nor addressing my request

so - answer the above question:
show you know what the f*ck [*=u] i referenced by supplying a total count then listing the references i gave

once you do that, we can talk about which references you wish to discuss because i can demonstrate you are not reading any of them*

* = i can demonstrate you're not reading them because most of my claims above come straight out of three of the references (predominantly - meaning more than the other references)

so until you make good on the above, we can't move on to anything else or discuss anything

i'll repeat it:
count the references and then list them

then choose which references you want to discuss

thanks
Mike_Massen
2.4 / 5 (17) Jun 07, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS) evading & wasting time
show you know what the f*ck [*=u] i referenced by supplying a total count then listing the references i gave
Since you already listed references why must I repeat, what does it achieve to count when they DONT address your claim one bit ?????

CS claims
* = i can demonstrate you're not reading them because most of my claims above come straight out of three of the references (predominantly - meaning more than the other references)
I have read all those listed AND many more since 2010, you have STILL not shown ONE anywhere with:-

a. Experimental Method appropriate to your all-encompassing claim "Thz is harmless"
AND
b. Empirical Evidence arising from a.

CS asks
..then choose which references you want to discuss
Great idea, I choose the ONE which has the Experimental Method & Empirical Evidence re your claim.

Instead of evading with "i can demonstrate", do it, which ONE key paper did I miss ?

Link please ?
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (13) Jun 07, 2016
(CS) evading & wasting time
No mikey... i am trying to focus you on very short specific things and insure there is a clear, concise communication between us

we can both slowly go through this and discuss this like rational adults
OR
you can continue to evade the questions and refuse to answer

it is your choice mikey
I don't really care what you do because i think i already made my point

and apparently you are afraid to take the time to slowly go through it which is why you are refusing to answer the questions so that we can BOTH be on the same page speaking the same language about the same things

why are you afraid if you are so sure you are right?
you stated
Great idea, I choose the ONE which has the Experimental Method & Empirical Evidence...
and yet there are more than a dozen experiments listed above

yeah... thanks for being specific, clear, concise and demonstrating your willingness to actually discuss this

you're acting like benni/rc now
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (13) Jun 07, 2016
I have read all those listed AND many more since 2010,
Ah... so you read them all above then?
even the metadata study of experiments listed?

hmm... given your further comments that seems unlikely

and now you want to shout and troll

ok mikey
shout and troll away

you are not here to talk about the above
you are here to fling your horse-poo everywhere in the hopes that you will be popular because, apparently, your existence is so pathetic that you feel the need for attention here and you seem to think that ignoring evidence is the way to get the scientifically literate to become your friend

like i said
we can both slowly go through this and discuss this like rational adults
OR
you can continue to evade the questions and refuse to answer

lets start with less so you don't get too confused - count the references and then list them please

then we can go from there
Mike_Massen
2.6 / 5 (17) Jun 07, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS) claims
we can both slowly go through this and discuss this like rational adults
No. you don't *need* to slow down :/

1. Link directly to the paper you claim has Experimental Method AND Empirical Evidence to support your all-encompassing claim ?

CS claims
.. think i already made my point
No. You failed to link OR show *any* path of logic whatsoever :/

CS says
.. take the time to slowly go through it
No need, far faster to link to the paper ?

CS says
be on the same page ..
Yes, which paper has the Empirical Evidence ?

CS claims
.. more than a dozen experiments listed above
Great !
Which is the best ONE which has the Empirical Evidence to support your claim ?

CS claims
your willingness to actually discuss this
Sure, so WHY refuse to save time, why refuse to be efficient & link directly to the paper ?

Efficiency, concise point to that ONE top paper - whats better than that ?

Yah think ?
Mike_Massen
2.6 / 5 (17) Jun 07, 2016
@Captain Stumpy,

With your; higher education, training, experience & critique's over decades in front of Masters, Post Grads, Post Docs & Professors across several disciplines whilst having absorbed the intent/scope of ~1000 papers over 40 year period, tell us just why:-

a. I have to list papers you've already listed ?
b. I have to count them ?

You don't seem to comprehend you first need to identify at least ONE paper which covers your all encompassing claim with appropriate Experimental Method AND Empirical Evidence before you can include them in any useful list or count whatsoever !

You forget; after 3mins placing a post they're effectively locked, not editable.

Therefore the legacy you leave Audience is failing to support your claim with at least ONE paper essential to even start to address what is an unsupportable claim "THz radiation is harmless". Understand negligence ?

Not about popularity, about the ethics & integrity to progress & NOT to mislead !
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (13) Jun 07, 2016
tell us just why:-
to answer a.
because in order to make a clear concise easily understood argument from evidence i must walk you through the points being made
-i must walk you through them because i thought you were literate enough to see the evidence for itself
-i thought you were literate enough because you keep claiming education and experience
-i now can demonstrate you are not literate if you walk slowly through in an exercise i designed specifically to teach the less literate reader in an easy to read format which i will definitely post elsewhere using your own words as demonstrations, regardless of what you do here

to answer b.
until we can both be on the same page talking the same language about the same thing without extraneous verbiage then neither one of us (nor the reader) will comprehend what is going on

given your reluctance it seems you either understand this already
OR
you aren't here for science - just to troll like bschott/benni
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (14) Jun 07, 2016
No. you don't *need*
No. You failed to
No need, far faster to
1- communication is about more than just you
2- at this point it appears you are here only for a fight because your ego was bruised due to your inability to clearly communicate with me (and others)

perhaps you are just pissed because it is me... dont know, dont care at this point
Sure, so WHY refuse to save time, why refuse to be efficient & link directly to the paper ?
because there is more than just you here mike - and i am also doing this for the sake of others who need the clear concise walk-thru

call it a lesson in learning how to read a study (you seem to need a refresher)
or call it clear concise communication that insures all parties are comprehending what is being said...

that was my reasoning

the better question: why are you waffling and attempting to redirect the conversation if you are seriously concerned about science or clear concise communication (CCC)?
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (14) Jun 07, 2016
you know... after reviewing this thread and the studies over the past four hours i noticed something @mike
you are here to fight

your third post in this thread initiated the OT argument
No, Captain Stumpy/Uncle Ira's facile/false claim THz radiation harmless... just to bully gkam
no, it wasn't bullying, it was demonstrating that gkam blatantly lied and is promoting pseudoscience as well as fearmongering

the analogy about lasers is the key, BTW...

and i noted the studies have the answers you asked above. with experiments

now, considering i've listed them already, why is it you can't find *any* with experiments?

especially the one that combines experiments in an overall assessment of knowledge?

because you are playing the benni/bs/liar-kam (BBG) card
- you aren't here for anything but attention

that's why you keep crossposting this all over PO!
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T READ!

learn to read or STFU
http://www.readingbear.org/
Mike_Massen
2.1 / 5 (15) Jun 07, 2016
@Captain Stumpy,
Not about your childish fights :/

Its about you making an unsupportable claim "THz radiation is harmless", despite long natural history it depends on intensity & issues such as constructive interference, one reason WHY you *need* an education in EM Physics to even start to comprehend a paper properly which has any EM physics at is core !

I don't need to be walked through papers on subjects I have been specifically trained in at higher education level that you & where you have nil experience. You however need to learn how Scientific Papers are written according to useful format which have exclusions, caveats, warnings, recommendations etc.

You make 3 posts in quick succession but STILL refuse to link to the paper you claim has the Experimental Methodology AND Empirical Evidence to support your all encompassing claim "THz radiation is harmless".

Which paper & Author please - direct link please ?

Paper will trump analogies as they're incomplete !
Mike_Massen
2.1 / 5 (15) Jun 07, 2016
Captain Stumpy claims
no, it wasn't bullying, it was demonstrating that gkam blatantly lied and is promoting pseudoscience as well as fearmongering
No. Go back and read what he said, he raised a pertinent question - its that simple, you took it out of proportion & whats more repeated the link to that inappropriate paper which is a mere model ie Unsupportable & useless to ever be used as a "proof" re THz being harmless, ie very sad :/

Get your emotional blinkers off & tell me & audience how its possible to create a line of logic that a paper about a mere math model results in you making the all encompassing claim & repeating it that "THz radiation is harmless" ?

AND especially so as the paper (P1) http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf acknowledging its Scope of Work is narrow urges experiment !

So are you going back on your claim then that P1 "is proof THZ is harmless" ?

Whilst at it, please link to the subsequent paper - where is it & name of Author ?
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (11) Jun 07, 2016
Not about your childish fights
uhm... @mikey/bschott/benni/uba/liar-kam cant read
did you forget about this?
CS bully
(CS) with his panties in a bunch
CS facile claim
Only to untrained
(CS) loses it
those are your words, not mine
you started it above with
Captain Stumpy/Uncle Ira's facile/false claim ... just to bully gkam
so now you are a hypocrite too?

okthen!
Its about you making an unsupportable claim
1- repeating a lie doesn't make it more true

2- not unsupported
see: http://phys.org/n...ens.html

please link to the subsequent paper
see above link
also see: http://www.readingbear.org/

I don't need to be walked through ...education level
then you know exactly which paper i am referring to and how to access it but are lying here to what end?

is it this?

https://www.psych...ttle-ego

2Bcont'd
john berry_hobbes
2.1 / 5 (14) Jun 07, 2016
Uncle Ira 3.9 /5 (11) May 22, 2016

This is part I don't understand about why you, or anybody else, cares. You should take pride you make such an impact that you caused some couyon to go to all the trouble to do that. You caused him to jump through a lot of hoops to show how you have got to him, eh?



You're trying to tell that to a spoiled rat that demands the same level of praise an adoration for everything he attempts from strangers as if they were his asshole, rug rat indulging, non-parenting gen X failures that put a roof over his head for him to squat under. His ideation doesn't go beyond, "I don't like that. They're saying bad things about me. Change it!"

Literally. He's asked PO to disable the ratings because he doesn't like them. You might as well try and convince a raccoon that it doesn't want what's in your garbage can. Mindless indulgence by sub-human species. Can't argue with it.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (11) Jun 07, 2016
I think i should clarify something here for all parties: if someone goes to court and says "i don't deserve a speeding ticket b/c there was no sign" the judge will state the published legal speed limits for roads are available to all and then say "ignorance of the law is no excuse"

The above situation is the same

mike completely ignores context and the argument of THz fog here: http://phys.org/n...ess.html

then doesn't read evidence here: http://phys.org/n...ens.html

he lies about bullying above

but somehow this justifies spamming all threads with his intentional ignorance and refusal to read the studies

anyone who read the references i linked will know he didn't read them b/c one specific reference i left is a consolidation of experiments to determine the status of evidence and knowledge of THz overall

so the question remains: why the hysteria and trolling/spamming by mike et al?
Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (14) Jun 07, 2016
Captain Stumpy claims
2- not unsupported
http://phys.org/n...ens.html
Where ? which ONE paper linked has Experimental Methodology AND Empirical Evidence to support your all encompassing claim "THz radiation is harmless" ?

Your claims don't cut it. Scientific Papers have particular format, particular intent & Scope of Work, particular approach to method & logical path to arrive at conclusions noting specific recommendations.

What makes you think your approach can skip all of it re http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf

You STILL failed to answer my question what leads you to claim that paper is "rigorous" ?

I've said many times, do it one step at a time, comprehend I'm educated, trained & experienced in reading & critiquing papers in front of professors, post docs & post grads, you are not !

Therefore listen to advice & learn essential EM Physics please !

You can't do better on an idle & casual informal basis :/
Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (14) Jun 07, 2016
Captain Stumpy says
mike completely ignores context and the argument of THz fog here: http://phys.org/n...ess.html
No. You don't understand, just because something exists in nature doesn't mean its automatically harmless !

Yah think even natural visible light is harmless since we evolved with it ?

CS claims
he lies about bullying above
No. You skimmed the paper & misread it, if you were interested to learn then you wouldn't repeat its banal base as a claim of proof just to put someone down, you would ask a person educated in EM Physics for their considered opinion.

CS claims
.. one specific reference i left is a consolidation of experiments to determine the status of evidence and knowledge of THz overall
"left" what does that mean ?

Does it cover the Experimental Methodology AND Empirical Evidence to support your all encompassing claim "THz radiation is harmless" ?

Which ONE is that & name of Author please ?
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (11) Jun 07, 2016
Where ?
this is getting tedious - you said you know all the papers so you should be able to find the one which has the experiments...
let me link it again since you are in a tizzy:
http://phys.org/n...ens.html

it contains
Terahertz
THz
Thermal effects
Cellular effects
Biological effects

does that help you, supertroll?
You STILL failed to answer my question
you've still failed to answer any of mine... so what?
you failed to comprehend basic english, basic instructions... AND you think your education makes you correct while attempting to throw the weight around you failed to read the actual references i gave you!

but you want it to seem like it's OK for you?

why is that benni/bschot/liar-kam/uba/mike?

why is it OK for you to lie and ignore what you don't like but not OK for me to keep answering your question in a way you don't like b/c you ignored the evidence the first time?
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (11) Jun 07, 2016
OK - LAST POST TO MIKE
i will repeat this elsewhere

i gave you the evidence
the onus of reading it is upon you, not i
the responsibility of finding it yet again is upon you because i've battled with you long enough on too many threads where the argument is irrelevant (like this one)

so i will say this one last time: the evidence is here
http://phys.org/n...ens.html

every future post you make about this while blatantly lying and intentionally misrepresenting content will be ignored, and i will only respond to you on the thread linked below
http://phys.org/n...ion.html

no more spamming, @mikey/liar-kam/uba/benni/bschott

Mike_Massen
1.9 / 5 (14) Jun 07, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS) says
. getting tedious
Sure, as you refuse to link directly to the paper with

1. Experimental Methodology AND Empirical Evidence covering your all encompassing claim "THz radiation is harmless"

CS claims
..you said you know all the papers
No. I never said that. I wrote I've read the referenced papers but, none cover 1.

CS claims
let me link it again since you are in a tizzy:
http://phys.org/n...ens.html
..
No. There isnt ONE on that thread with Scope of Work re 1.

CS claims
you failed to read the actual references i gave you!
No. I've read all relevant papers you have linked & others but, not ONE covers the Scope of Work re 1.

Why do you continue to avoid linking directly to the paper & my previous request you be efficient ?

Why do you think http://arxiv.org/...53v2.pdf is "rigorous" on what basis ?

Can you please link directly to the paper & Author name ?
AGreatWhopper
1.3 / 5 (12) Jun 07, 2016
Otto defending his war on nonviolent, legal sociopaths brags that he would, unlike George, violate the law...because he's better.
And key your car badly. Seriously.


Mate, I got the impression she was from Texas. You know she could blow your brains out with her concealed .38 special, don't you?

Where do you work? I'll put any money on the fact that your Director is that same kind of legal, nonviolent sociopath, and further, that you have never said one word to him/her about it. Look at Trump's support, EXPLICITLY for that kind of person. You'd better have a war on marketing going too, because it's creating legions of the diseased every minute.

QED: You kick George because he's weak and a safe target to vent your passive aggressive social reform dreams.
Mike_Massen
1.6 / 5 (13) Jun 07, 2016
Captain Stumpy claims
so i will say this one last time: the evidence is here
http://phys.org/n...ens.html
No its NOT !

There is NO paper anywhere on that thread (or elswhere) as I have stated on numerous occasions earlier which covers the Scope of Work re Experimental Methodology AND Empirical Evidence in respect of your all encompassing claim that "THz radiation is harmless"

Why CAN'T you link directly to the scientific paper & name the Author please ?

Why vague assertions, why link to a discussion thread and NOT the paper directly ?

Are you really drunk - or playing you could have put this to rest ages ago, why not ????

Can you link me directly to the specific scientific paper and name the Author please ?
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (10) Jun 07, 2016
still OT mike... can't read basic english?

thanks for confirming that...

again

Mike_Massen
1.6 / 5 (13) Jun 07, 2016
Captain Stumpy says
still OT mike... can't read basic english?
thanks for confirming that...
again
You STILL evade linking directly to a paper ANY paper covering

1. Experimental Methodology AND Empirical Evidence re your all encompassing claim that "THz radiation is harmless".

NB Links to threads the paper is there which your daughter found is evasion when I have read all the threads you linked & NOT one paper matches 1.

As I said many times & try to understand Intent & Scope of Work re Scientific Papers. Its how its possible to scan so many as there are so many because the abstract is chosen carefully to reflect the Scope of Work.

But, you claim I missed a key one, thats possible as the process isn't perfect, so obvious way to address it efficiently is, link directly to that specific paper only you know which you claim proves your all encompassing claim - that'll settle it

No more wasting time re claims on threads, link to paper please & authors name ?
Mike_Massen
1 / 5 (7) Jun 29, 2016
@Captain Stumpy,
Its been approx 3 weeks but, you still fail to produce any Evidence for your extraordinary claim that "THz radiation is harmless".

Claiming the paper exists isnt enough & claiming it can be found with ctrl-f as you state elsewhere also isnt enough either, those are both facile unintelligent evasion tactics :/

What search string for that ctrl-f ?

Wouldn't it be smarter to link directly to the paper ?

And instead of claiming the "known author" wouldn't it also be smarter to state the Author's name ?

Making such huge Gaffs when you proclaim Evidence is important makes you lose credibility.

If you can't locate the evidence for an extraordinary claim then why make it in the first place ?

Surely you know an extraordinary claim demands extraordinary Evidence ?

Best to man up, admit you made an error and apologise ?

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