Finding aliens may be even easier than previously thought

May 26, 2016 by Matt Williams, Universe Today
Finding extra-terrestrial life may be easier, now that we know what to look for. Credit: NASA/Serge Brunier

Finding examples of intelligent life other than our own in the Universe is hard work. Between spending decades listening to space for signs of radio traffic – which is what the good people at the SETI Institute have been doing – and waiting for the day when it is possible to send spacecraft to neighboring star systems, there simply haven't been a lot of options for finding extra-terrestrials.

But in recent years, efforts have begun to simplify the search for intelligent life. Thanks to the efforts of groups like the Breakthrough Foundation, it may be possible in the coming years to send "nanoscraft" on interstellar voyages using laser-driven propulsion. But just as significant is the fact that developments like these may also make it easier for us to detect extra-terrestrials that are trying to find us.

Not long ago, Breakthrough Initiatives made headlines when they announced that luminaries like Stephen Hawking and Mark Zuckerberg were backing their plan to send a tiny spacecraft to Alpha Centauri. Known as Breakthrough Starshot, this plan involved a refrigerator-sized magnet being towed by a laser sail, which would be pushed by a ground-based laser array to speeds fast enough to reach Alpha Centauri in about 20 years.

In addition to offering a possible interstellar space mission that could reach another star in our lifetime, projects like this have the added benefit of letting us broadcast our presence to the rest of the Universe. Such is the argument put forward by Philip Lubin, a professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and the brains behind Starshot.

In a paper titled "The Search for Directed Intelligence" – which appeared recently in arXiv and will be published soon in REACH – Reviews in Human Space Exploration – Lubin explains how systems that are becoming technologically feasible on Earth could allow us to search for similar technology being used elsewhere. In this case, by alien civilizations. As Lubin shared with Universe Today via email:

"In our SETI paper we examine the implications of a civilization having directed like we are proposing for both our NASA and Starshot programs. In this sense the NASA (DE-STAR) and Starshot arrays represent what other civilizations may possess. In another way, the receive mode (Phased Array Telescope) may be useful to search and study nearby exoplanets."

DE-STAR, or the Directed Energy System for Targeting of Asteroids and exploRation, is another project being developed by scientists at UCSB. This proposed system will use lasers to target and deflect asteroids, comets, and other Near-Earth Objects (NEOs). Along with the Directed Energy Propulsion for Interstellar Exploration (DEEP-IN), a NASA-backed UCSB project that is based on Lubin's directed-energy concept, they represent some of the most ambitious directed-energy concepts currently being pursued.

Using these as a teplate, Lubin believes that other species in the Universe could be using this same kind of directed energy systems for the same purposes – i.e. propulsion, planetary defense, scanning, power beaming, and communications. And by using a rather modest search strategy, he and colleagues propose observing nearby star and planetary systems to see if there are any signs of civilizations that possess this technology.

Finding aliens may be even easier than previously thought
Project Starshot, an initiative sponsored by the Breakthrough Foundation, is intended to be humanity’s first interstellar voyage. Credit: breakthroughinitiatives.org

This could take the form of "spill-over", where surveys are able to detect errant flashes of energy. Or they could be from an actual beacon, assuming the extra-terrestrials us DE to communicate. As is stated in the paper authored by Lubin and his colleagues:

"There are a number of reasons a civilization would use directed energy systems of the type discussed here. If other civilizations have an environment like we do they might use DE system for applications such as propulsion, planetary defense against "debris" such as asteroids and comets, illumination or scanning systems to survey their local environment, power beaming across large distances among many others. Surveys that are sensitive to these "utilitarian" applications are a natural byproduct of the "spill over" of these uses, though a systematic beacon would be much easier to detect."

According to Lubin, this represents a major departure from what projects like SETI have been doing for the past few decades. These efforts, which can be classified as "passive" were understandable in the past, owing to our limited means and the challenges in sending out messages ourselves. For one, the distances involved in interstellar communication are incredibly vast.

Even using directed-energy, which moves at the speed of light, it would still take a message over 4 years to the nearest star, 1000 years to reach the Kepler planets, and 2 million years to the nearest galaxy (Andromeda). So aside from the nearest stars, these time scales are far beyond a human lifetime; and by the time the message arrived, far better means would have evolved to communicate.

Finding aliens may be even easier than previously thought
Directed-energy technology, such as the kind behind the Very Large Telescoping Interferometer, could be used by ET for communications. Credit: ESO/G. Hüdepohl

Second, there is also the issue of the targets being in motion over the vast timescales involved. All stars have a transverse velocity relative to our line of sight, which means that any star system or planet targeted with a burst of laser communication would have moved by the time the beam arrived. So by adopting a pro-active approach, which involves looking for specific kinds of behavior, we could bolster our efforts to find on distant exoplanets.

But of course, there are still many challenges that need to be overcome, not the least of which are technical. But more than that, there is also the fact that what we are looking for may not exist. As Lubin and his colleagues state in one section of the paper: "What is an assumption, of course, is that electromagnetic communications has any relevance on times scales that are millions of years and in particular that electromagnetic communications (which includes beacons) should have anything to do with wavelengths near human vision."

In other words, assuming that aliens are using technology similar to our own is potentially anthropocentric. However, when it comes to space exploration and finding other intelligent species, we have to work with what we have, and with what we know. And as it stands, humanity is the only example of a space-faring civilization known to us. As such, we can hardly be faulted for projecting ourselves out there.

Here's hoping ET is out there, and relies on energy beaming to get things done. And, fingers crossed, here's hoping they aren't too shy about being noticed!

Explore further: Photonics advances allow Earth to be seen across the universe

More information: The Search for Directed Intelligence: arxiv.org/abs/1604.02108

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ogg_ogg
2.2 / 5 (13) May 26, 2016
"...by the time the message arrived, far better means would have evolved to communicate." Reminds me of that Stallone movie (Demolition Man) where he discovers that in the year 2032 society has "evolved" a "far better means" of having sex. I suppose the author of this nonsense expects warp drive and sub-space communication to be invented any day now. I can't prove a negative, but we have zero expectation of discovering any violation of the c speed limit, nor of the three laws of thermodynamics. At worst, these Physics facts may be extended in future improvements to our understanding, but we're NOT going to have warp drive, ever. (At least, not until we learn how to ride those invisible magic unicorns...)
loneislander
2.8 / 5 (6) May 26, 2016
Warp drive unicorns, not just unicorns. (If we populate the universe it will be more like spores and less like bullets flying from place to place)
Da Schneib
3.8 / 5 (12) May 26, 2016
Meanwhile, here's hoping that if we start broadcasting we don't attract someone who's looking for lunch.

I see no problem with looking for aliens; but I think there needs to be a discussion of potential consequences of making contact if we find them. Particularly what we could offer that would be worth their while. The assumption that they'd be altruistic to another species is questionable at best.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (9) May 26, 2016
Meanwhile, here's hoping that if we start broadcasting we don't attract someone who's looking for lunch.

I see no problem with looking for aliens; but I think there needs to be a discussion of potential consequences of making contact if we find them. Particularly what we could offer that would be worth their while. The assumption that they'd be altruistic to another species is questionable at best.

Didn't Stephen Hawking say something along these lines, a couple years ago...?
richardwenzel987
4 / 5 (8) May 26, 2016
The desire to search or communicate might not last much longer than the first few contacts. Because then the question is answered of whether your civilization is alone, you get a good sense of where you stand in the scheme of things, and your own civilization begins a revolution based on the new knowledge, and who knows where that revolution will take you?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.4 / 5 (9) May 26, 2016
If we want to get their attention I suggest that instead of a magnet for a payload we should send the biggest thermonuke we can build, and set it off in the most conspicuous location. Much like an interstellar hand grenade.

While serving to get their attention it would also let them know that we have the ability to defend ourselves.

This is why diplomacy has always been conducted via warships and armed convoys.

This is why the enterprise had phasers.
Didn't Stephen Hawking say something along these lines, a couple years ago...?
Why didnt you use google and post the quote? I'm curious.
EnsignFlandry
5 / 5 (3) May 26, 2016
Science history is filled with statements like, " we'll never understand...", or "never obtain, surpass, possess...". Some of those will turn out to be true, some not.

BTW, the payload would not be a magnet, but magnet-sized.
Mimath224
3.3 / 5 (7) May 26, 2016
With a UFO disclosure to made by President Obama before he leaves office, apparently to be followed by similar from the British PM (taken from online English News earlier this week) one wonders what 'searching for alien life' will mean. However, there has been a lot of footage from the space station lately and a disclosure MIGHT be more to do with that than 'aliens'.
I can't imagine that Pres. O. is about to tell SETI and other programs (Mars rover etc.) that they have been wasting time (and money) in searching because 'they know' alien life exist...but then one never knows with politicians whom I regard, humorously as alien in their own right, Ha!
Telekinetic
1.8 / 5 (10) May 26, 2016
There have been an endless number of accounts of sightings, videos of every sort and encounters witnessed by credible sources including 120 retired high security clearance military personnel who manned nuclear missile bases. Hundreds of pilots; military, commercial and civilian have seen alien craft flying at speeds of thousands of mph. The city of Phoenix was mesmerized by a craft the size of a football field flying overhead. Research teams that patiently wait for signs of intelligent life are ostriches with their heads in the sand.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (5) May 26, 2016
Didn't Stephen Hawking say something along these lines, a couple years ago...?
Why didnt you use google and post the quote? I'm curious.

For you;
https://www.thegu...t-aliens
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (4) May 26, 2016
Science history is filled with statements like, " we'll never understand...", or "never obtain, surpass, possess...". Some of those will turn out to be true, some not.

BTW, the payload would not be a magnet, but magnet-sized.

FTA;
"...Known as Breakthrough Starshot, this plan involved a refrigerator-sized magnet being towed by a laser sail,..."

rderkis
3.1 / 5 (7) May 27, 2016
Perhaps one of those crazy UFO conspiracy theorists would enlighten us as to why NASA would cover up the biggest funding opportunity ever presented.
We are on the edge of a human evolutionary explosion (including a IQ boost). Don't you think our time and effort should be channeled towards that end, instead of spending our resources on things that in a few years we will think of as toys.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (2) May 27, 2016
@rderkis, certainly no UFO conspiracy intended in my post (which I suspect you down voted me) because I know full well that on some occasions the observations by astronauts was in fact particles being disturbed and illuminated by their craft. Having said that, you ought to do some more reading by ex NASA scientist before you start ranting yourself.
NIPSZX
not rated yet May 27, 2016
There is nobody out there but us at the current time that we can see into. Maybe before or after us, but no one within our view of space time.
Edenlegaia
not rated yet May 27, 2016
If we want to get their attention I suggest that instead of a magnet for a payload we should send the biggest thermonuke we can build, and set it off in the most conspicuous location. Much like an interstellar hand grenade.

While serving to get their attention it would also let them know that we have the ability to defend ourselves.

This is why diplomacy has always been conducted via warships and armed convoys.


We would only show them we have the WILL to defend ourselves. We can't prophetize about aliens and their weaponry/intents/stuff. They may be afraid of pissing us off and remain friendly, or avoid us because they don't want a war, or simply use some conventional AntiSolarSystem weapon to make sure to wipe out all life on and around our world.
Imagination....
James_Morgan
3 / 5 (2) May 27, 2016
That's exactly why we shouldn't 'try' to contact aliens, we have absolutely no idea what we could be walking into.
They could be similar to us, so different and advanced that we're like bacteria to them, or anything in between and with any technology imaginable (or unimaginable).
It's a massive risk..
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (6) May 27, 2016
If we want to get their attention I suggest that instead of a magnet for a payload we should send the biggest thermonuke we can build, and set it off in the most conspicuous location. Much like an interstellar hand grenade.

While serving to get their attention it would also let them know that we have the ability to defend ourselves.

Don't forget to have it blast a version of "Independence Day" just prior to setting it off...

Mimath224
5 / 5 (3) May 27, 2016
@Whydening Gyre 'Independence Day' is that your visualization of aliens? (Ha!) I thought something like the 'Skyline' movie...how about the Borg from S.T.
Seriously though, I don't think it's worth wasting our time and money. If aliens are out there then we'll know sometime or if they are already here then it is pointless to search. Our sky/universe research in total should be to advance our knowledge of astrophysical events exoplanets etc. We might even come across E.T. on the way.
Okay, have a good day, I'm going back to my bunker in Arabela (Roswell)
TehDog
4.2 / 5 (5) May 27, 2016
Ok, there's at least one other on these forums who thinks this the most likely scenario;
https://en.wikipe...ter_Saga
I can recommend the series, altho there is a kinda deus ex machina moment near the end.

https://en.wikipe...acecraft

And where I first heard of that concept;
https://en.wikipe...e_Beagle
3rd chapter, Discord in Scarlet, which inspired Alien.

Think I read it about 40 years ago, yeah I'm a scifi nerd, so what etc :)
Protoplasmix
4.2 / 5 (5) May 27, 2016
If we want to get their attention I suggest that... we should send the biggest thermonuke we can build, and set it off in the most conspicuous location. Much like an interstellar hand grenade... This is why the enterprise had phasers.
To boldly go where no one has gone before. And blow it up reeeeel good. To what extent do you reckon it to be true, Ghost, that it's the thought that counts? It's a very, very large and very, very old universe; have you given any thought as to under how many suns there's nothing new?
Otto_Szucks
1.6 / 5 (7) May 28, 2016
There have been an endless number of accounts of sightings, videos of every sort and encounters witnessed by credible sources including 120 retired high security clearance military personnel who manned nuclear missile bases. Hundreds of pilots; military, commercial and civilian have seen alien craft flying at speeds of thousands of mph. The city of Phoenix was mesmerized by a craft the size of a football field flying overhead. Research teams that patiently wait for signs of intelligent life are ostriches with their heads in the sand.
- Telekinetic
My buddies and I have seen ET spacecraft some years ago out West while hiking in the mtns on two separate occasions. The crafts were pretty low..not more than ~2000 feet above us and clearly not manmade. Since then, I have talked with many folks who also have had the same kind of experiences. It's almost a daily occurrence for some, depending on their location.
The ETs are here. They were invited as I have already explained.
Mimath224
5 / 5 (3) May 28, 2016
@Otto_Szucks as I have mentioned on another similar thread, I was a member of a UFO investigator group a long time ago. I spent a great deal of time talking to witlessness, examining vehicles from v Interference reports and so on. It was the latter that was most interesting. And yes, I came across those where it was difficult to keep a straight face. Of witness reports most were explained by natural phenomena (looking at the planet Venus with bad quality binoculars) but there were about 3% just just could not be explained. Until it became classified, I was a member of a team that examined a burned out car engine where the geiger counter went off the scale. This was hours after a report close to a government installation. Therein is another point because one never knew what such installations were doing.
But there are a lot of 'sensationalists' out there looking for a 'quick buck' and they are a real problem to those who are genuine & just seeking the truth.
Otto_Szucks
1.6 / 5 (7) May 29, 2016
@Mimath224
Thanks for your investigative service to your country.
I agree that there are too many hoaxes, along with disinformation and misinformation agents who are hired to debunk the genuine sightings/experiences as best as they can. I too, would have thought that my friends and I had seen Venus, except for the distance at which the crafts came down where we could readily identify them as being not one of ours. After each sighting, my friends and I wrote on slips of paper what we had seen, time of day, cloudy or no clouds, temperature, and any other pertinent info that would vindicate us if we chose to reveal what we saw on both days. All seven of our descriptions matched.
I am my own worst critic and my self-skepticism was well-known to my friends, which is why I suggested using the slips of paper to record what each of us saw.
Since that time each of us have gone our own way, but we still stay in touch and talk about those two days. We were fortunate to see them up close.
richardwenzel987
3 / 5 (4) May 29, 2016
Scientists tend to be a bit schizophrenic on the possibility of aliens in the solar system. On the one hand, if life is common in the universe (and it looks as though there really could be lots of habitable planets, thanks to Kepler and other search efforts) it would not be overly surprising to find that a long lived technical civilization has managed, over the millennia, to colonize most of the galaxy, using autonomous self-replicating probes. Exponential growth makes this very doable even using probes traveling at a small fraction of light speed. In that case we might expect to find alien activity in our own system, some of which might manifest as UFOs. And yet, as soon as you suggest this, you encounter very extreme skepticism. Can't have it both ways.
kochevnik
2.4 / 5 (9) May 29, 2016
The arrogant assumption is that aliens can not find the Terran system prior to radio signals. That is completely fallacious on the face, and assumes aliens would only have 1920 technology. Much more likely aliens have visited Earth,, mated with locals thus causing the rapid divergence between sapiens and neanderthals by artificial evolution. Simply some genetic therapy could have corrected the more egregious deficiencies in early sapiens. Also there are hints of exposure to advanced technology in Judaism and old religions, and even traces in the bible when analyzed mathematically and not as the voice of some invisible ubermensch

Once their expedition was complete they likely departed. But similar thought systems were left scattered across the planed, despite peoples being geographically separated for millenia to the extent their physical appearances diverged
Comphuman
1 / 5 (2) May 29, 2016
By the time any two-way contact is made, protoplasmic humans will have been replaced by very advanced machines. Likewise, those who visit us, having traveled through space filled with radiation, will also be advanced machines. Machines don't eat other machines, just energy, of which there is plenty to go around everywhere.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) May 29, 2016
To boldly go where no one has gone before. And blow it up reeeeel good.
@Proto
actually, when dealing with earth creatures Otto's tactics worked very well ... i am far more concerned about tossing a nuke at an unknown intelligent species because of how they will interpret it

if they're not intelligent it's fireworks (or an act of [insert deity])
if they're super intelligent it's fireworks or an aggressive threat that must be dealt with

i prefer a far more cautious approach (as far as demonstrating our level of tech)... or outright propaganda like the movies broadcast suggested above (like Independence day - where *we* win - LOL)

.

.

There have been an endless number of accounts of sightings, videos of every sort and encounters witnessed by credible sources
@tele
a "UFO" by definition is unknown
it is not logical to state "we don't know what it is, therefore it must be aliens"
it also stops being a "UFO" at that point, doesn't it?
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (6) May 29, 2016
The arrogant assumption is that aliens can not find the Terran system prior to radio signals. That is completely fallacious on the face, and assumes aliens would only have 1920 technology.
- kochevnik

Humans are, indeed, arrogant wrt those who have been, and are, coming to your world since time immemorial. They saw the Earth as it was forming, and they were the witnesses to the seeding of the waters of Earth at the proper time, long before the first plant life and creatures arose in the deep. The time was ripe for life to emerge, as it has been in many other worlds in this and many other quadrants of the Universe where matter/energy coalesced into stars and planetary bodies.

Of what use are radio "signals" to Extraterrestrials who already have witnessed the whole prehistory of Earth and have the knowledge that man may only change his suicidal ways under duress of imminent attack from a variety of sources.

Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (6) May 29, 2016
Also there are hints of exposure to advanced technology in Judaism and old religions, and even traces in the bible when analyzed mathematically and not as the voice of some invisible ubermensch
- kochevnik

The invisible uber-mensch that you so casually and caustically speak of doesn't wish to be seen. It may not make sense to you but you and all other humans cannot pick and choose wrt what is and is not, and what should be - all because you don't think that it's fair that your eyes don't see and your ears don't hear. That is yet another aspect of man's arrogance toward the things which he doesn't understand.
You were not meant to see and hear that which is hidden from you. You are but flesh, and arrogant flesh, at that.
In Ezekiel, there is one identifying instance of an ET spacecraft. The story is told through the eyes of a technologically limited man who could only expand on his limited ability to understand that which occurred before him.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (5) May 29, 2016
Once their expedition was complete they likely departed. But similar thought systems were left scattered across the planed, despite peoples being geographically separated for millenia to the extent their physical appearances diverged
- kochevnik

No, they did not all depart, I assure you. They understand human nature and the anthropocentric requirement of Top Dog status.
Because of this, they keep a "low profile" out of necessity, and they do, in some ways, resemble homo sapiens, but not entirely. Some of them did mate with humans in earlier times, and that is the reason for some humans having certain abilities, or "gifts" as it were. These "gifted humans" also keep a similar low profile, at least in general, particularly after realizing their gifts.
Yes, they do read human Thought. That is a given in many worlds where it is much easier to communicate with each other by Thought/Mind rather than expending the energy of using vocal communications.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (5) May 29, 2016
Much more likely aliens have visited Earth,, mated with locals thus causing the rapid divergence between sapiens and neanderthals by artificial evolution. Simply some genetic therapy could have corrected the more egregious deficiencies in early sapiens.
- kochevnik

Scientists claim that "humans" came out of Africa where they had evolved from apes. This seems to be of primary importance to many and is taken with a large dose of pride and love for their ape ancestry. Since this ape ancestry is evidently the case in man's POV, why would you think that "genetic therapy could have corrected(..)egregious deficiencies, when no such genetic therapy was afforded to your Mother Ape and her offspring? Not even to your cousins, the monkeys, gorillas, chimps, baboons, etc. Evolution is as Evolution does, isn't that true?

Your rejection of two separate Genesis has committed your race/species to dwell within the confines of the animal kingdom, in spite of a larger brain.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (5) May 29, 2016
(cont'd)
@kochevnik

It would be absurd for Extraterrestrials to have mated with apes or with their proto-ape ancestors. It simply is an abhorrent idea and such matings never happened. Neither were there any "genetic therapies" done for the sake of improving on natural Evolution.
In earlier threads I have attempted to explain that there were TWO Genesis (Geneses?) in the Babble, as atheists refer to the Bible. I will not explain again. It has been rejected by those in this website who seem to believe themselves to be most knowledgeable of such things. Especially those who have memorized Chapter and Verse and have taken it all literally for purposes of mockery.
Edenlegaia
not rated yet May 29, 2016
Because of this, they keep a "low profile" out of necessity, and they do, in some ways, resemble homo sapiens, but not entirely. Some of them did mate with humans in earlier times, and that is the reason for some humans having certain abilities, or "gifts" as it were. These "gifted humans" also keep a similar low profile, at least in general, particularly after realizing their gifts.
Yes, they do read human Thought. That is a given in many worlds where it is much easier to communicate with each other by Thought/Mind rather than expending the energy of using vocal communications.


Whoa....it's slightly too confusing to read this at 3am. Our abilities, the useless and useful ones, are not really ours but a gift? Talk about a bummer....
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (6) May 29, 2016
@Whydening Gyre 'Independence Day' is that your visualization of aliens? (Ha!) I thought something like the 'Skyline' movie...how about the Borg from S.T...?


Mm, It's just one visualization among thousands...:-)
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (5) May 30, 2016
Because of this, they keep a "low profile" out of necessity, and they do, in some ways, resemble homo sapiens, but not entirely. Some of them did mate with humans in earlier times, and that is the reason for some humans having certain abilities, or "gifts" as it were. These "gifted humans" also keep a similar low profile, at least in general, particularly after realizing their gifts.
Yes, they do read human Thought. That is a given in many worlds where it is much easier to communicate with each other by Thought/Mind rather than expending the energy of using vocal communications.


Whoa....it's slightly too confusing to read this at 3am. Our abilities, the useless and useful ones, are not really ours but a gift? Talk about a bummer....
- Edenlegaia
Notice that I said the value term, "SOME" in reference to humans whose ancestors mated with ET? I said nothing about ordinary human abilities and ordinary human traits/characteristics. Truly sorry if you are lacking.
Kedas
1 / 5 (3) May 30, 2016
Broadcasting seems the right idea, there are so many examples of broadcasting worlds that survived doing that. ;)
antialias_physorg
4.4 / 5 (7) May 30, 2016
I see no problem with looking for aliens; but I think there needs to be a discussion of potential consequences of making contact if we find them.

While it might be a good idea to think about this consider the possible scenarios:

1) We are the ones who are further advanced: No problem
2) They are more advanced than us: They more than likely knew of us long before we knew of them. So whether we want to make contact or not doesn't figure as a factor into any danger scenario. If there was danger from them then they wouldn't wait to pounce until we ring them up.
3) We are as advanced as they are (so unlikley that I'll not consider this case)

That said: I don't think indiscriminate broadcasting a "Hello. Anyone there?" is going to do any good (or even be sensible)...precisely because of 2). When they pick it up they already know we're here. Since they haven't made contact yet such a signal isn't going to make them do it.
Mimath224
4.3 / 5 (6) May 30, 2016
๑antialias_physorg '...Since they haven't made contact yet such a signal isn't going to make them do it.'
Ha! rather like an unwelcome visitor during the evening...'shh, don't open the door, he might go away.'
I agree. There could all sorts of reasons why aliens might not wish to make contact. Just as an example I read or saw a joke somewhere ages ago about spherical aliens visiting and the first thing they see is a British soccer match. They are horrified to see 22 men chasing and kicking a small spheroid creature. They whiz off to America and they see these extremely well built humans throwing, catching and slamming to the ground an ellipsoid creature. Horrified they decide to visit towns and they see kids in the streets and parks doing the same thing. Being too much for them the flee home and their report is that humans despise these smaller creatures so much that...you can guess the rest.
This is unlikely to happen but something to suggest how different aliens might be.
antialias_physorg
4.4 / 5 (7) May 30, 2016
I'm not as pessismistic as to their motives. In the end we may just not be interesting enough. You have to ask yourself: What is the benefit of making contact to a more advanced species (instead of, say, just leaving a passive monitoring device or just moving on)? I've been asking this of myself over the years...but I have not come up with a single compelling reason why they would make contact (at least not before we are at a point where we can actively tread on someone's toes by travelling somewhere and setting up shop)

In the end the more advanced species is always the one that can choose to make contact or not...not the less advanced one. And an - even marginally - less advanced species than us would not be able to hear our broadcasts.
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (6) May 30, 2016
I agree. There could be all sorts of reasons why aliens might not wish to make contact...
Opening the door to sharing advanced technology with a species that lacks the wherewithal to develop it on their own could be a good reason. Case in point: https://www.youtu...qIITtTtU
nswanberg
5 / 5 (4) May 30, 2016
I hope we come in peace................but I have my doubts.
kochevnik
2 / 5 (8) May 30, 2016
I noticed language painted on USA trucks stating they will never tolerate "the enemy." So they have psychologically set upon creating these ineffable enemies wherever they go. If I were an alien I would send in the Death Star
gkam
1 / 5 (6) May 30, 2016
Why would any aliens give us better technology when they have seen what we do with the stuff we already have? They ain't stupid.
Whydening Gyre
4.4 / 5 (7) May 30, 2016
I agree. There could be all sorts of reasons why aliens might not wish to make contact...
Opening the door to sharing advanced technology with a species that lacks the wherewithal to develop it on their own could be a good reason. Case in point: https://www.youtu...qIITtTtU

Found real irony in that vid...:-)
Whydening Gyre
4.5 / 5 (8) May 30, 2016
Why would any aliens give us better technology when they have seen what we do with the stuff we already have? They ain't stupid.

they might even be smart enough to realize not ALL of us are [stupid].
evolving is not a painless process...
Whydening Gyre
4.4 / 5 (7) May 30, 2016
I noticed language painted on USA trucks stating they will never tolerate "the enemy."

We travel a lot - I have never seen that sort of signage....
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) May 30, 2016
We travel a lot - I have never seen that sort of signage....
@Whyde
fanaticism doesn't always differentiate between reality and delusional belief ...

IOW- the irrational fanatic who despises religion will see westboro as descriptive of all xtians
Edenlegaia
5 / 5 (1) May 30, 2016
Notice that I said the value term, "SOME" in reference to humans whose ancestors mated with ET? I said nothing about ordinary human abilities and ordinary human traits/characteristics. Truly sorry if you are lacking.


I am as well. It seems i'm a pure product of ordinary human with no ET trait.
Buuuuut we're still in the domain of theory and, i might add, it strangely derives into witchcraft or so, to me. I mean....aliens mating with humans? Really? Why not, but i'm doubtful, soooo....yep. Purely humans.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.2 / 5 (9) May 30, 2016
Because of this, they keep a "low profile" out of necessity, and they do, in some ways, resemble homo sapiens
-except theyre like 900 feet tall and have translucent heads, right pussytard? And they lie down a lot.
but not entirely. Some of them did mate with humans in earlier times
-Well if this were true we should expect to see some 450 foot tall hybrids with somewhat opaque heads walking about, yes? But I haven't heard anything about that sort of thing, have you?

I think there are some holes in your theory.
Whydening Gyre
4.2 / 5 (5) May 30, 2016
Notice that I said the value term, "SOME" in reference to humans whose ancestors mated with ET? I said nothing about ordinary human abilities and ordinary human traits/characteristics. Truly sorry if you are lacking.


I am as well. It seems i'm a pure product of ordinary human with no ET trait.
Buuuuut we're still in the domain of theory and, i might add, it strangely derives into witchcraft or so, to me. I mean....aliens mating with humans? Really? Why not, but i'm doubtful, soooo....yep. Purely humans.

Red hair (Recessive gene) Yep, pretty sure theirs something odd going on in there...:-)
And witchcraft? Just application of alternative technologies and observations...;-)
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (9) May 30, 2016
I noticed language painted on USA trucks stating they will never tolerate "the enemy." So they have psychologically set upon creating these ineffable enemies wherever they go
I think they are talking about russkies. Russkies are totally effable.
Otto_Szucks
2.1 / 5 (7) May 30, 2016
Because of this, they keep a "low profile" out of necessity, and they do, in some ways, resemble homo sapiens
-except theyre like 900 feet tall and have translucent heads, right pussytard? And they lie down a lot.
but not entirely. Some of them did mate with humans in earlier times
-Well if this were true we should expect to see some 450 foot tall hybrids with somewhat opaque heads walking about, yes? But I haven't heard anything about that sort of thing, have you?

I think there are some holes in your theory.
- CrazyOtto

The only holes are in your worm-infested brain.

HEY OTTO
WHEN are you gonna provide the LINK to any comment I ever made claiming to see 900 foot glassy headed martians laying down on Mars. How about if Obama_socks made a comment like what you've been trying to get people to believe? Or how about Pirouette or anyone else saying things about 900 foot martians -- people here in Physorg have been laughing at you all this time, Otto.
Otto_Szucks
1.7 / 5 (6) May 30, 2016
Notice that I said the value term, "SOME" in reference to humans whose ancestors mated with ET? I said nothing about ordinary human abilities and ordinary human traits/characteristics


I am as well. It seems i'm a pure product of ordinary human with no ET trait.
Buuuuut we're still in the domain of theory and, i might add, it strangely derives into witchcraft or so, to me. I mean....aliens mating with humans? Really? Why not, but i'm doubtful, soooo....yep. Purely humans.
- Edenlegaia

There is Witchcraft, of course. The numbers are composed of silly dummies with severe mental issues who think that Satan/Baphomet can give them a better life and make them happy. I noticed that Physorg has a few who comment in many threads. They are dedicated.

The matings took place long ago and many descendants are blessed with abilities, such as ___ and ___ ____. The bloodline flows in me, giving me certain abilities which I only realized recently in the 1990s. It's good to have
Otto_Szucks
1.7 / 5 (6) May 30, 2016
I noticed language painted on USA trucks stating they will never tolerate "the enemy." So they have psychologically set upon creating these ineffable enemies wherever they go. If I were an alien I would send in the Death Star
- kochevnik

I think what you are describing is a preparation for "domestic war" and has nothing to do with the Russian Federation or her policies wrt the US. The current POTUS and his admin is thought to be preparing, as well, and there is much propaganda floating around by the MSM to turn American citizens against those who uphold the Laws of the US Constitution (which the current POTUS chooses to ignore and belittle.) He IS the Death Star.
BTW, I see that your President Putin is a good Christian, and is not just putting on a show for Patriarch Kiril. His past sins may be forgiven, in that case. But that is only an assumption. You know what they say about "once KGB, always KGB".
Otto_Szucks
1.4 / 5 (7) May 30, 2016
@kochevnik
I thought that you might also like to know this little tidbit. The ETs who have been to Earth countless times are our friends whether humans know it or not.
But there are the others who are not friendly to either humans or our ETs. They detected the atomic bomb testing and the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They already KNOW that humans have arrived in the age of nuclear weaponry...and they don't like it.
LOL I don't like it either, but that's not important.
They will come, that is assured. If you don't wish to believe what I say, that is your choice.
Telekinetic
3.9 / 5 (7) May 30, 2016
@O.S.

Can you elaborate on these new abilities you've discovered?

Whydening Gyre
4.3 / 5 (6) May 30, 2016
I noticed language painted on USA trucks stating they will never tolerate "the enemy." So they have psychologically set upon creating these ineffable enemies wherever they go
I think they are talking about russkies. Russkies are totally effable.

Specially the women...
Whydening Gyre
4.5 / 5 (8) May 30, 2016
@O.S.

Can you elaborate on these new abilities you've discovered?


I'm goin' with bad vodka...
Otto_Szucks
1.6 / 5 (7) May 30, 2016
@O.S.

Can you elaborate on these new abilities you've discovered?

- Telekinetic
Yes I could. But do you think that it would be sensible for me to reveal my "gifts" in a Physorg thread where most everyone is a skeptic because they don't share what I and many others are able to do? Would it make it more believable after Thegoatofotto twisted and turned it so that it resembled his constant lies about 900 foot glassy eyed martians (laying down) on Mars?
Theghostofotto lies about myself and others most of the time, so that it wouldn't be in my favor to reveal what I can do.
anti-geoengineering
3.5 / 5 (8) May 30, 2016
Somebody should warn the aliens first. Run! Humans are a bunch of warmongering idiots! That's probably why they avoid us.
Mimath224
3.4 / 5 (5) May 31, 2016
@anti-geoengineering

Somebody should warn the aliens first. Run! Humans are a bunch of warmongering idiots! That's probably why they avoid us.

Not necessarily so. There are those who have published that particular reptilian species exist (and are among us) that provides the stimulus for human to become warlike, nasty etc. Apparently the reason is that such aliens 'feed' on the energy that negative actions emit. I don't want to debate whether these creatures exist or not, that is strictly for the individual to decide by reading the books about this idea. However, while this idea might be very far fetched to most of us, parasitic feeding is well known. This difference is that usually a parasite feeds at the expense of the host so the above idea seems more like a cross between symbiosis and parasitic. In principle, this is not so different from what we do.(cont.)
Mimath224
4 / 5 (4) May 31, 2016
(cont.)To eat we have to kill something, plant or animal, but to ensure there is a supply we have chicken, pig, cattle and fish etc farms. The difference, of course, is the way the 'energy' is consumed but suppose there is a species that have to absorb energy similar to plants needing the Sun's energy to maintain chemical reactions, photosynthesis.
So in principle such ideas are not so extreme but what might be extreme is how such a race could conceal their presence and influence us. This point is a different topic/argument altogether and this is not the place to debate it.
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
Opening the door to sharing advanced technology

A superior species handing you their knowledge is something that you wouldn't wish upon your worst enemy. Think about the ramifications. We'd just stop dead in our tracks with regards to any and all development.

(and 'trading' technology only works if both are technologically on par - or at least close to it. Which is an exceedingly unlikely scenario given that we make noise and they supposedly already have the tech to make a quick stroll down the block to our front door)

Somebody should warn the aliens first. Run!

As long as they can fly through the universe and we don't I don't think they need to 'run' from us. The moment we become uppity they'll just virus-bomb (or asteroid-bomb) us into oblivion.

If we are being noticed before we become spacefaring then only if we are peaceful will be allowed to become so. Aliens may be peaceful - but they aren't stupid.
Mimath224
4.2 / 5 (5) May 31, 2016
@antialias_physor 'A superior species handing you their knowledge is something that you wouldn't wish upon yougr worst enemy. Think about the ramifications. We'd just stop dead in our tracks with regards to any and all development....'
Not to mention what it would do to our society structured around finance. Suddenly a new way to fly...that's it for the many parts of the fuel industry. Hovering too...well that could down the helicopter! In short, it would ruin us. They could leak things out little by little though, eh?
kochevnik
2 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
I noticed language painted on USA trucks stating they will never tolerate "the enemy."

We travel a lot - I have never seen that sort of signage....
It is on USXpress and PRIME truck trailers. I see it is new after the MH17 propaganda campaign, an incident which began when Soros-funded NAZIs were attacking Russians and fired their Buk missile battery at a plane that resembled Putin's. In any case the USA is clearly preparing for WWIII. I do not see how they will prevail. More likely obamaSocks is correct it is part of Big Brothers eternal war against Oceana while he drills newspeak into people's skulls

KGB has bad reputation for doing what NSA does now. I hope reform continues in Russia. So much depends upon so few. Russia has little to fear for friends as fresh drinking water is depleted worldwide and Russia has enough for all Eurasia
Noumenon
2.9 / 5 (15) May 31, 2016
@O.S.

Can you elaborate on these new abilities you've discovered?

- Telekinetic
Yes I could. But do you think that it would be sensible for me to reveal my "gifts" in a Physorg thread where most everyone is a skeptic because they don't share what I and many others are able to do?


Well you already let the bulk of the cheshire-cat out of the bag, we just want to see if it's smiling.

Arthur_McBride
4.2 / 5 (5) May 31, 2016
900 foot tall Martians with glass heads? WFT is that about?
Captain Stumpy
3.3 / 5 (7) May 31, 2016
But do you think that it would be sensible for me to reveal my "gifts" in a Physorg thread where most everyone is a skeptic because they don't share what I and many others are able to do?
/b/ Rule 37

@Nou
... if i had socks i would give ya ten more stars
LOL
InterestedAmateur
4.4 / 5 (7) May 31, 2016
wait for it
InterestedAmateur
4.6 / 5 (9) May 31, 2016

I had family on MH17; I hope you die a slow and miserable death you soulless lying prick!
Otto_Szucks
1.5 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
(cont.)To eat we have to kill something, plant or animal, but to ensure there is a supply we have chicken, pig, cattle and fish etc farms. The difference, of course, is the way the 'energy' is consumed but suppose there is a species that have to absorb energy similar to plants needing the Sun's energy to maintain chemical reactions, photosynthesis.
So in principle such ideas are not so extreme but what might be extreme is how such a race could conceal their presence and influence us. This point is a different topic/argument altogether and this is not the place to debate it.
- Mimath224

That is correct. In order for something to live, something else must die.
The species that you mention does exist, and they do absorb energy from life forms (human and animal). They have also transmuted into the human form, but they often assume a "shape-shifter" form that is able to pass through walls and other solid structures. For the most part, they are unseen by the human eye.
Otto_Szucks
1.6 / 5 (7) May 31, 2016
@O.S.

Can you elaborate on these new abilities you've discovered?

- Telekinetic
Yes I could. But do you think that it would be sensible for me to reveal my "gifts" in a Physorg thread where most everyone is a skeptic because they don't share what I and many others are able to do?


Well you already let the bulk of the cheshire-cat out of the bag, we just want to see if it's smiling.

- Noumenon
The Cheshire cat is indeed smiling - quite broadly, in fact. You left out the part wrt Theghostofotto twisting and turning whatever I say into something not even remotely resembling my original post, and then telling lies continuously. Do you recall the argument you had with Otto re "ontology" as philosophy?
This is what Otto does and, possibly, Otto's sole purpose for being on Physorg. With all the atheists in Physorg, Otto sucks up plenty of energy from the ideas and thoughts of those unbelievers.
Do you really expect me to place myself among them?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
HEY OTTO
WHEN are you gonna provide the LINK to any comment I ever made claiming to see 900 foot glassy headed martians laying down on Mars. How about if Obama_socks made a comment like what you've been trying to get people to believe? Or how about Pirouette or anyone else saying things about 900 foot martians -- people here in Physorg have been laughing at you all this time, Otto
Tell you what. Heres a LINK to the last time I reposted an excerpt from the thread wherein your comments about this issue were trashed.
http://phys.org/n...tic.html

-And the next time you ask for it I will post a link to this thread.

And so on and so forth.

Happy? Or just delirious?
Otto_Szucks
1.5 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
900 foot tall Martians with glass heads? WFT is that about?
- Arthur_McBride

That was something that Theghostofotto1923 thought up and decided to attribute that lie to the lady whose nickname is/was Pirouette, who posted the web address to her photos of life forms on Mars, as well as interesting geological formations. Otto, it seems, did not like a female researcher of Mars screwing up Otto's gig in Physorg which he considers his own turf. So he went about trying to destroy Pirouette to detract from, and invalidate her discovery of living creatures of Mars. After she no longer posted on Physorg, Theghostofotto searched for her and then attributed Pirouette's persona to innocent newcomers who didn't seem to understand what was going on.
Theghostootto also attributed Pirouette's persona to me after I registered on this site in 2012, and has been accusing me of having a website with Martian pictures in it.
Theghostofotto is a liar.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT, LUCI?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (9) May 31, 2016
@Otto_Szucks as I have mentioned on another similar thread, I was a member of a UFO investigator group a long time ago. I spent a great deal of time talking to witlessness, examining vehicles from v Interference reports and so on. It was the latter that was most interesting. And yes, I came across those where it was difficult to keep a straight face. Of witness reports most were explained by natural phenomena (looking at the planet Venus with bad quality binoculars) but there were about 3% just just could not be explained. Until it became classified, I was a member of a team that examined a burned out car engine where the geiger counter went off the scale
On a related note
http://oppositelo...89151816

-Notice any yellow dust in the vicinity of this engine? Was Randi along to help you out?
Otto_Szucks
1.5 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
HEY OTTO
WHEN are you gonna provide the LINK to any comment I ever made claiming to see 900 foot glassy headed martians laying down on Mars. How about if Obama_socks made a comment like what you've been trying to get people to believe? Or how about Pirouette or anyone else saying things about 900 foot martians -- people here in Physorg have been laughing at you all this time, Otto
Tell you what. Heres a LINK to the last time I reposted an excerpt from the thread wherein your comments about this issue were trashed.
http://phys.org/n...tic.html

-And the next time you ask for it I will post a link to this thread.

And so on and so forth.

Happy? Or just delirious?
- Otto
Nope. Excerpts are invalid.
GIVE US THE ORIGINAL POST LINK WHERE PIROUETTE OR ANYONE ELSE MENTIONED BELIEF IN YOUR IMAGINARY 900 FOOT TALL GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS (LAYING DOWN). YOU CAN'T DO IT B/C IT DOES NOT EXIST, SINCE IT WAS YOU WHO MADE IT UP.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (9) May 31, 2016
That was something that Theghostofotto1923 thought up and decided to attribute that lie to the lady whose nickname is/was Pirouette
-which is/was you
Theghostootto also attributed Pirouette's persona to me
-And now I suppose now youre going to deny you were obamasocks. You do this every time you get banned.

Please try to remember youre the dumfuck here, not us.
Nope. Excerpts are invalid
Sorry I don't jump through hoops for dumfucks.
do you think that it would be sensible for me to reveal my "gifts" in a Physorg thread where most everyone is a skeptic
Would your newfound powers involve being able to dump excerpts into google in order to read them in context?

Most of us are born with powers such as this. Most of us can pry our asses off the couch once in awhile.

Can you unstick that fat sweaty ass of yours off the couch pussytard or are you permanently affixed?
Otto_Szucks
1.8 / 5 (10) May 31, 2016

I had family on MH17; I hope you die a slow and miserable death you soulless lying prick!

- InterestedAmateur
I'm sorry to hear of your loss of your loved ones, but it's of no use to hit out at someone who had no part in the downing of MH17. He is a Nationalist, as most humans are.
I don't think that he meant anything nasty by it.
Otto_Szucks
1.5 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
That was something that Theghostofotto1923 thought up and decided to attribute that lie to the lady whose nickname is/was Pirouette
-which is/was you
Theghostootto also attributed Pirouette's persona to me
-And now I suppose now youre going to deny you were obamasocks. You do this every time you get banned.

Please try to remember youre the dumfuck here, not us.
- Otto (the ghost of a dead Nazi)
LMAO
Everyone knows that my other nick is Obama_socks, and I have never tried to hide it or pretend otherwise.
Why are you still here in Physorg, Otto. Don't you think it's time to give up the human that you're occupying and go find a new one?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
A superior species handing you their knowledge is something that you wouldn't wish upon your worst enemy. Think about the ramifications. We'd just stop dead in our tracks with regards to any and all development
-Worked for the French when they gave the Huron muskets and horses.
Otto_Szucks
1 / 5 (9) May 31, 2016
I'm still waiting for that link, Otto (ghost of Otto Skorzeny the Nazi in WWII)

Give us the proof that I or anyone else ever claimed belief in 900 foot tall glassy headed martians (laying down) that YOU made up in your own worm-infested brain to detract from Pirouette's discovering of living creatures on Mars.
You HATED her for it, didn't you, and you decided to get even.
Now tell the truth, Otto...it was YOU who made up that lie to hurt Pirouette's offer of science in a science website.

For all who are interested, Pirouette science webpages is"

www.marscritters.blogspot.com

She was an amateur researcher and it's reflected in her descriptions of the life forms in her NASA pictures. I doubt that she will ever come back to Physorg while Theghostofotto1923 is still posting in these threads.
Otto_Szucks
1.5 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
@antialias_physor 'A superior species handing you their knowledge is something that you wouldn't wish upon yougr worst enemy. Think about the ramifications. We'd just stop dead in our tracks with regards to any and all development....'
Not to mention what it would do to our society structured around finance. Suddenly a new way to fly...that's it for the many parts of the fuel industry. Hovering too...well that could down the helicopter! In short, it would ruin us. They could leak things out little by little though, eh?
- Mimath224
Finance is strictly human in its attributes. Do you REALLY BELIEVE that humans have all done it on their own, especially in the fields of tactical weaponry/technology? Humans are, and have been, helped along by friendly ETs. Why?
I suppose I shouldn't try to explain it, and you are likely to reject it anyway, but they are preparing humans for the ultimate war. This planet will go the way of the dodo bird otherwise in terms of human occupation.
Otto_Szucks
1.5 / 5 (8) May 31, 2016
HEY OTTO (the disciple of the WWII Nazi, Otto Skorzeny)
Like I said before, your excerpts are invalid. They are not proof of what you claim.
GIVE US THE ORIGINAL POST LINK WHERE PIROUETTE OR ANYONE ELSE MENTIONED BELIEF IN YOUR IMAGINARY 900 FOOT TALL GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS (LAYING DOWN). YOU CAN'T DO IT B/C IT DOES NOT EXIST, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? SINCE IT WAS YOU WHO MADE IT UP.
So prove your innocence, Otto. Try to be like a real human.
Mimath224
4.2 / 5 (5) May 31, 2016
@Otto_Szucks 'Finance is strictly human in its attributes. Do you REALLY BELIEVE that humans have all done it on their own, especially in the fields of tactical weaponry/technology? Humans are, and have been, helped along by friendly ETs. Why?
... and you are likely to reject it anyway, but they are preparing humans for the ultimate war. This planet will go the way of the dodo bird otherwise in terms of human occupation.'
I intimated these in my post and yes I have been aware of such ideas for a long time (and other types of claimed alien interaction) But I did say that this was not the place to debate such claims and I'm not going to give my position on these topics. Again, it would inappropriate here. Also, there are also those who claim there are other aliens who are ENEMIES of the reptilians and will prevent the content of your last sentence from happening.

Ha! seems to me with all the aliens roaming around humans are a ethnic minority on this planet. LOL
Otto_Szucks
1.6 / 5 (10) May 31, 2016
@Mimath
It's basically and foremost the shape of the human eye that inhibits visual detection of that which is there in plain sight. Ever notice how cats will stare at what seems to be empty space and then follow whatever it is around your room as though something was walking around? You think, "there's nothing there. What is he looking at. Maybe it's a flying insect.?" But you don't see an insect.
Animals have greater visual acuity than humans, but cats are the best at detecting a shapeless mass that is moving around in places. These creatures may be lost; can't find their way and are wandering around aimlessly. Or it is possible that they haven't yet acquired a mortal form...maybe waiting for one.
These are not "ghost" stories, by the way. We are talking ETs/aliens, not spooks.
Otto_Szucks
1.6 / 5 (10) May 31, 2016
@Mimath
As far as Reptilians, I tend to discount that kind of alien. I have never seen one, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. There are stories that you can tell a Reptilian by the eyes where the sclera and cornea of the eye occasionally shifts and uncovers the true Reptilian eye before covering it over again. I think the pupil of the eye would be vertically elongated if I'm not mistaken, like a cat's eye. That should be a dead-giveaway if you happen to catch the eye shifting at the right moment. Then you would know exactly who or what you are dealing with.
The age of the Universe itself is so much older than the Solar System. Life has found a way to traverse whole galaxies to gain knowledge and look to see "what's on the other side of the mountain". Well why not. Why else would life exist, not matter what its appearance and level of intelligence and sense of morality.
There is a danger that one can become too obsessive wrt ETs and make fatal mistakes wrt them.
Otto_Szucks
1.4 / 5 (9) May 31, 2016
This has been an excellent and informative discussion so I will check back later.
Mimath224
4 / 5 (4) Jun 01, 2016
@TheGhostofOtto1923 '...-Notice any yellow dust in the vicinity of this engine? Was Randi along to help you out?'
Bit more complicated than that. Some metal parts under the bonnet were fused together while non metallic items appeared unaffected. This perhaps hints at the photoelectric effect on metals. But there are many V.I.R. particularly in the USA and Europe that are weird to say the least and not close to any KNOWN gov installation. Having said that there are also many reports where there are no unusual effects at all.
Yellowcake? As I understand it this is mostly U-238 and has the longest half-life of the U isotopes and therefore lower rate of decay. However, I doubt whether the instrument used in the case I mentioned could have distinguished differences.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.8 / 5 (10) Jun 01, 2016
HEY OTTO (the disciple of the WWII Nazi, Otto Skorzeny)
Like I said before, your excerpts are invalid. They are not proof of what you claim.
GIVE US THE ORIGINAL POST LINK WHERE PIROUETTE OR ANYONE ELSE MENTIONED BELIEF IN YOUR IMAGINARY 900 FOOT TALL GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS (LAYING DOWN). YOU CAN'T DO IT B/C IT DOES NOT EXIST, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? SINCE IT WAS YOU WHO MADE IT UP.
So prove your innocence, Otto. Try to be like a real human.
Naw I prefer excerpts. Maybe your alien friends could show you how to copy/paste?

I bet they've engineered mental illness right out of their gene pool.

Oh and cross-posting is against physorg guidelines.
Otto_Szucks
1.5 / 5 (8) Jun 02, 2016
@Theghostofotto
All of your "excerpts" are cross-posting. Now give us your proof that you haven't been lying about me all these years when you told LIES that I had claimed to have seen 900 foot tall glassy headed martians (laying down) in Pirouette's Mars photos from NASA.
WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO SEE THAT PROOF WITH EITHER OF MY TWO NICKS AND NOT JUST EXCERPTS OF THE LIES YOU TOLD ABOUT OBAMA_SOCKS OR ANYONE ELSE.

I WILL GIVE YOU ONE WEEK FROM TODAY, OTTO. TODAY IS JUNE 2, 2016. IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE US WITH THE LINK OR LINKS THAT WOULD PROVE YOUR ASSERTIONS WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, THEN I WILL LET YOU OFF THE HOOK.
YOU HAVE UNTIL THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2016 TO FIND YOUR PROOF AND POST IT HERE ON PHYSORG. SHOW EVERYONE THAT YOU DIDN'T TELL A LIE THAT I CLAIMED TO SEE 900 FOOT TALL GLASSY EYED MARTIANS IN PIROUETTE'S PHOTOS OF MARS. IT IS EVIDENT THAT PIROUETTE NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO THAT EFFECT EITHER AND THAT YOU ARE A LYING PIECE OF POND SCUM, OTTO/LUCI.
Estevan57
4.1 / 5 (9) Jun 02, 2016
HEY OTTO (the disciple of the WWII Nazi, Otto Skorzeny)
Like I said before, your excerpts are invalid. They are not proof of what you claim.
GIVE US THE ORIGINAL POST LINK WHERE PIROUETTE OR ANYONE ELSE MENTIONED BELIEF IN YOUR IMAGINARY 900 FOOT TALL GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS (LAYING DOWN). YOU CAN'T DO IT B/C IT DOES NOT EXIST, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? SINCE IT WAS YOU WHO MADE IT UP.
So prove your innocence, Otto. Try to be like a real human.


http://phys.org/n...und.html

Now will you please just shut the hell up about it? Next time just look it up.

Rename yourself to Ignorance-suckz.
Estevan57
4 / 5 (8) Jun 02, 2016
Pirouette

1.2 / 5 (17) Nov 02, 2011
"This website URL below displays an area of Mars where a liquid is flowing and spurting out of a hillside. Please notice the darker areas where the ground material is wet, as opposed to the lighter areas that are dry. Also, in some of the pictures, the liquid is flowing as in a creek and spurts out in "drops" through what appears to be an embankment. This is geology.

Further down on the same page are pictures providing proof of large life forms that are semi-transparent. Those are NOT geology and are not a trick of light and shadow. Mars has life.

www.marscritters.blogspot.com"

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (9) Jun 03, 2016
HEY OTTO blah blah blah blah shouting blah
So prove your innocence, Otto. Try to be like a real human.
http://phys.org/news/2011-11-clays-watery-mars-underground.html

Now will you please just shut the hell up about it? Next time just look it up.

Rename yourself to Ignorance-suckz.
it never ceases to amaze me how the socks think it's impossible to dig up their past mistakes with a simple google search...

it's as if they think "i can't do it, therefore no one can do it"

almost like saying that because they can't cook bacon like, say, Martha Stewart, then no one can cook bacon at all...

100 stars to Estevan57 for the epic win
Estevan57
4.2 / 5 (10) Jun 04, 2016
Thanks, Captain S. I wish that those two would learn to ignore each other a bit better.
Yelling in caps diminishes the true oddity of this particular thread. Or not...

Example:
Reptilians?!!
"worm-infested brain" "There is a danger that one can become too obsessive wrt ETs and make fatal mistakes wrt them."
Even Otto is funny. "I think they are talking about russkies. Russkies are totally effable."
"Specially the women..." " I'm goin' with bad vodka..." etc.

I'm surprised noone has mentioned building a wall to keep the "aliens" out. Just as well.

Good stuff, gotta save this one.
Otto_Szucks
1.6 / 5 (7) Jun 05, 2016
HEY OTTO (the disciple of the WWII Nazi, Otto Skorzeny)
Like I said before, your excerpts are invalid. They are not proof of what you claim.
GIVE US THE ORIGINAL POST LINK WHERE PIROUETTE OR ANYONE ELSE MENTIONED BELIEF IN YOUR IMAGINARY 900 FOOT TALL GLASSY HEADED MARTIANS (LAYING DOWN). YOU CAN'T DO IT B/C IT DOES NOT EXIST, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? SINCE IT WAS YOU WHO MADE IT UP.
So prove your innocence, Otto. Try to be like a real human.


http://phys.org/n...und.html

Now will you please just shut the hell up about it? Next time just look it up.

Rename yourself to Ignorance-suckz.
- Estevan57
Well, I looked all over that thread you gave, and nowhere did I find either of my two nicks - Obama_socks OR Otto_Szucks. Did you happen to see either one? Do you think that I missed it?
I did notice that some nutcase with the nick Skulltch tried to convince Pirouette that she suffered from pareidolia. Do you think she does?
Otto_Szucks
1.6 / 5 (7) Jun 05, 2016

Skultch
not rated yet
Nov 08, 2011
I'm only trying to understand why the two of us come to different conclusions of the same evidence. I thought it was clear that I was speculating. Of course I think you're irrational; we all are. The alternative would be my own error. I have considered the possibility that I am wrong, again, and I still think that is unlikely. So, what would you have me do? Increase doubt in everything I think I know so I can incorporate your humanoid martian theory? Would you do that in my position?

It's very telling how the mere suggestion that you aren't thinking clearly elicits such a negative emotional response.

See, people affect my life, so I study people. Do martians affect your life?

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

Skulltch says, "Of course I think you're irrational; we all are."
Skulltch partakes in hallucinogenic mushrooms...which is why he thinks EVERYONE is irrational.
BongThePuffin
Jun 07, 2016
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john berry_hobbes
2.2 / 5 (10) Jun 07, 2016
Telekinetic 4.2 /5 (5) May 30, 2016
@O.S.

Can you elaborate on these new abilities you've discovered?


He's the first in his family to learn to wipe his ass after crapping without then licking his fingers.

The thing I don't get about Deep South Republicants is if they hate Dems so much why they bray like a donkey and act like a jackass. Surely with their always accusing them of big gov they must have problems being the elephant. They're against big gov so their symbol is an elephant. Right. Surely that's backwards.

Of course, being incredible cretins, they conveniently forget that they were all Dems before 1980...because they hate Lincoln. Who they now quote. I mean, that's their black and white approach to the world. 1860-1980. Hate Lincoln. 1980-2016. "The Party of Lincoln".

Bottom line: "ability" can refer to the smallest most vulgar behavior. "Vulgar" in the literal Latin sense the word...
john berry_hobbes
1.9 / 5 (9) Jun 07, 2016
rderkis 2.8 /5 (6) May 27, 2016
Perhaps one of those crazy UFO conspiracy theorists would enlighten us as to why NASA would cover up the biggest funding opportunity ever presented.


AFOSI's compulsive creating incidents that can be debunked to cover the very, very few that can't, trumps NASA. The USAF doesn't just believe it is in charge of all space and airspace but that you pose a clear and present threat if you even bring that hegemony into question. As UFOs do. Only thing they hate worse is Hollywood and a President from the Navy. Which is why they went, basically, insane as an institution when Jimmy Carter became President, ET was released...and that Navy President said he'd seen an UFO.

Conspiracy theories have become how the US covers things up. Get the nutter fringe involved and no serious person will discuss it. Worked with bin Laden's assassination and 9/11!
AGreatWhopper
1.5 / 5 (8) Jun 07, 2016
That would explain why so many sightings are at Naval Air Stations compared to air bases.
AlbertPierrepointOBE
2.3 / 5 (9) Jun 07, 2016
Otto_Szucks

1 /5 (5) May 29, 2016

Once their expedition was complete they likely departed. But similar thought systems were left scattered across the planed, despite peoples being geographically separated for millenia to the extent their physical appearances diverged

- kochevnik

No, they did not all depart, I assure you. ---in some ways, resemble homo sapiens, but not entirely. Some of them did mate with humans in earlier times,---


This is where the looney fringe, particularly those with political dogmas to preach like this turd, need to be dealt with as dangers to life and limb. Murder statutes are based on a naive assumption of "human". It wouldn't be a crime to kill an alien. Are you twisted enough to decide that Obummer is at least partly one and that means he's fair game? Your neighbor you don't like? And we know you own a gun.

Consider that next time you think it's OK to respond to that POS.
AlbertPierrepointOBE
2.3 / 5 (9) Jun 07, 2016
Think that's too heavy handed? Did you notice the operative phrase?
I assure you.


No doubts. Private evidence that we don't understand. If you think arguing with that crazy is harmless fun, then I guess you're the kind of person that goes to a construction site and yells anti-Latino slogans at the workers hoping that they'll go home and beat their wife. This is where the video game generation has gotten it very wrong. Conceptions have consequences. You cannot go around in your own little non-veridical universe and think it will not affect you and society.

And who does care? Narcissists like TheBoastofBlotto! Who are jealous, basically, that they've had to restrain themselves in some way and become zealots making sure no one else is doing it. And adopt the same methods they accuse the others of using. Means justifiy the ends and I am right. Just like the xtians.

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