NASA releases strange 'music' heard by 1969 astronauts

February 22, 2016
The Apollo 10 command module Charlie Brown piloted by US astronaut John W. Young is seen from the lunar module Snoopy after separation in lunar orbit on May 22, 1969

NASA has made public a recording of strange "music" that astronauts reported hearing in 1969 while on the far side of the Moon, out of radio contact with the Earth.

The story behind these unusual whistling noises was showcased Sunday night in a show on the cable channel Discovery, as part of a series called "NASA's Unexplained Files."

The noises reportedly were heard in May 1969 by the Apollo 10 astronauts as they circled the Moon, months before the first astronauts stepped foot on the on July 21 that same year.

The three on board were Thomas Stafford, John Young and Eugene Cernan.

The sounds, which lasted about an hour, were recorded and transmitted to mission control in Houston.

A transcript of the text was released in 2008, but the actual audio has only just been made public.

"You hear that? That whistling sound?" asks Cernan, describing it as "outer-space-type music."

The trio felt the sounds were so strange that they debated whether or not to tell the chiefs at NASA, for fear they wouldn't be taken seriously and could be dropped from future space missions, according to the Discovery show.

NASA says the sounds could not have been alien music.

An engineer from the US space agency said the noises likely came from interference caused by radios that were close to each other in the and the command module.

Astronaut Al Worden, who flew on Apollo 15, disputed that explanation, saying "logic tells me that if there was something recorded on there, then there's something there," according to the Discovery show.

But Michael Collins, the pilot of Apollo 11, who became the first person to fly around the far side of the Moon by himself while Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong were walking on the surface, said he too heard "an eerie woo-woo sound" but accepted the explanation of .

In fact, he'd been warned ahead of time, he wrote in his book, Carrying the Fire: An Astronaut's Journeys.

"Had I not been warned about it, it would have scared the hell out of me," he wrote.

"Fortunately the radio technicians (rather than the UFO fans) had a ready explanation for it: it was interference between the LM's and Command Module's VHF radios."

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gkam
2.6 / 5 (17) Feb 22, 2016
That is probably because they were picking up the poorly-shielded oscillator of one of the radios. Those radios essentially work on one frequency, usually around 455 kc for military systems in use then. They vary what they pick up by using an oscillator together with an antenna, which produces differential frequencies among others.

Say the IF is tuned to 455kc as the differential frequency. So, if I want to pick up 1455kc (or kHz), my oscillator will be set to 1000 kHz. The dial will read 1445. Those signals can leak out and zero-beat with the other oscillators and signals to produce the changing whine we used to hear as we dialed into popular stations in the old days.

You have to remember these were analog systems.
Uncle Ira
3.2 / 5 (18) Feb 22, 2016
That is probably because they were picking up the poorly-shielded oscillator of one of the radios. Those radios essentially work on one frequency, usually around 455 kc for military systems in use then. They vary what they pick up by using an oscillator together with an antenna, which produces differential frequencies among others.

Say the IF is tuned to 455kc as the differential frequency. So, if I want to pick up 1455kc (or kHz), my oscillator will be set to 1000 kHz. The dial will read 1445. Those signals can leak out and zero-beat with the other oscillators and signals to produce the changing whine we used to hear as we dialed into popular stations in the old days.

You have to remember these were analog systems.


You are tripping over the basics again to try to sound smart. Cher, study up on sum and difference mixing again so you can your "lesson" right.
antigoracle
1.9 / 5 (13) Feb 22, 2016
You have to remember these were analog systems.

Uh huh, and how would a digital system behave differently?
gkam
1.7 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
Did I forget the words "sum and"?

Did it ruin your day? Make it?

I am glad to have such an impression on the folks.
unrealone1
1.8 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
Sounds from the next studio?
gkam
2.1 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
"Uh huh, and how would a digital system behave differently?"
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It is in the frequency synthesis. With analog, one would slew through the frequencies, in digital you step through them. With old home analog sets, one could set the dial by finding where the dials of others were set, by taking the whine down to zero beats, aligning it with the frequency of the other oscillator. It can sound like a Theremin. The military had theirs safely shielded.

Apparently not good enough for those Apollo quiescent conditions.
Uncle Ira
2.7 / 5 (19) Feb 22, 2016
Did I forget the words "sum and"?
Naa, you missed the name of the phenomenon. You was tying to give a lesson on "ghost images". And you got most of it wrong. The real engineers at NASA and ones that work with radio have know about the thing since heterdyning radios have been invented in the early 1900's. Radio TECHNICIANS like you were, hear about it, but don't really work with it, their bosses the real ENGINEERS do the deep thinking on that for them. The "sum" product is usually the one filtered out and the other passed to the amplifier. The engineers who built the Apollo would have know what "ghost image" frequencies to stay away from when picking out an IF frequency for their equipments.

Did it ruin your day? Make it?
Naa, just you being you, non different today.

I am glad to have such an impression on the folks.
So you are glad to play the fool? You like the way you look with that silly looking pointy cap (with the stars and moons on him) on your head?
HannesAlfven
2.4 / 5 (13) Feb 22, 2016
Perhaps we can debate the WHY for why they were heard in that particular spot, but it's not clear to me why the WHAT is so mysterious. Why would we not simply assume, until a better explanation arrives, that these are simply the sounds of whistler waves from nearby plasma activity?

Wikipedia seems to lend the impression that these frequencies must source to lightning, but it's probably more generally plasmas exhibiting typical plasma behaviors.

Is it really so unexpected that plasmas would generate radio and microwave noise? The astronauts likely found themselves near an active double layer or flux tube. The fact that neither of these terms are brought up as candidates seems to me a commentary that people still do not understand the behavior of laboratory plasmas.

A quick reminder for people: We discovered in 1958 w/ the first rockets there that space is not actually just empty.
jeffensley
4.2 / 5 (5) Feb 22, 2016
So why wouldn't they hear that same interference on the Earth side?
gkam
2.2 / 5 (13) Feb 22, 2016
I knew I should not have posted, because Auntie Ego would pounce on it, and find semantic differences, then make a big deal out of it. Sorry. Auntie Ego, but all that was done last century by me, before you were hatched.

"So why wouldn't they hear that same interference on the Earth side?"
because of the loud background from zillions rf sources on Earth, which are blocked by the Moon. That is why it would make such a good place for a radio antenna, on the back side.
Uncle Ira
3.2 / 5 (13) Feb 22, 2016
"Uh huh, and how would a digital system behave differently?"
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It is in the frequency synthesis. With analog, one would slew through the frequencies, in digital you step through them. With old home analog sets, one could set the dial by finding where the dials of others were set, by taking the whine down to zero beats, aligning it with the frequency of the other oscillator. It can sound like a Theremin. The military had theirs safely shielded.
Do you write stuffs to intentionally show you don't really know what you are taking about? Cher, it does not have anything to with digital/analog. It is the nature of AM or SSB radios. The Apollo up and down links were probably FM where this does not come into effect.

Apparently not good enough for those Apollo quiescent conditions.
Maybe they should have come to your lectures where you taught 33,000 real engineers everything they missed in school.
gkam
2.4 / 5 (14) Feb 22, 2016
No, Ira, you were not alive then, and I worked with the military communications systems of the period, although not that particular one.

Not having heard the sounds from Apollo, I cannot say for certain, but only speculate.

Ira, it seems you learned enough memorizing stuff, but are not familiar with it sufficiently.
gkam
1.7 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
" It is the nature of AM or SSB radios."
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Yeah, like yours with cheap or sloppy shielding. That whine is from other oscillators.
Uncle Ira
2.8 / 5 (13) Feb 22, 2016
I knew I should not have posted, because Auntie Ego would pounce on it, and find semantic differences, then make a big deal out of it
Yeah, that is what you always say when you get caught making up stuffs.

Sorry. Auntie Ego, but all that was done last century by me, before you were hatched.
I would not brag about that Cher. It seems I learned a lot more about it than you never did.

"So why wouldn't they hear that same interference on the Earth side?"
because of the loud background from zillions rf sources on Earth, which are blocked by the Moon.
Cher, you are one of the most stupid peoples who ever put silly stuffs up on the physorg, and that ain't no little feat. You want to rethink that? Or double down again?

That is why it would make such a good place for a radio antenna, on the back side.
Hooyeei if you keep saying stuffs like this you are going to get peoples thinking you are the Ira-Sock-Puppet-Skippy I use to make my self look good.
Uncle Ira
2.7 / 5 (14) Feb 22, 2016
Ira, it seems you learned enough memorizing stuff, but are not familiar with it sufficiently.
Then why are you getting it all wrong and I am getting it right?

" It is the nature of AM or SSB radios."
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Yeah, like yours with cheap or sloppy shielding. That whine is from other oscillators.

It is not a problem with my radio. It is a problem on radios where there was poor "engineering" when choosing the IF frequency for the set.

Shielding has nothing to do with "ghost images" That comes from the design choices. Just like the "digital/analog" guess you blurted, you are guessing and getting it wrong.

So you have thrown out how many guesses now? Ghost images, Analog/Digital equipments, the other side of the moon, and now poor shielding by the NASA engineers. So far they are all wrong and a half way decent tech would know better, so what does that say for a six different kind of senior engineer?
gkam
1.8 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
Ira, give it up. You challenged me a long time ago, and I proved my reality. You could not stand it, so you follow me around, trying to denigrate whatever I post.

Just outgrow it.
gkam
2.1 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
"Ghost images"? On a radio? You cannot explain it, so you parrot some name for video quality aberrations, usually caused by reflections from metal structures in the real world, poorly set-up antennae, or other interference.

From where do we get these "Ghost images" on the far side of the Moon?
antigoracle
1 / 5 (7) Feb 22, 2016
"Uh huh, and how would a digital system behave differently?"
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It is in the frequency synthesis. With analog, one would slew through the frequencies, in digital you step through them. With old home analog sets, one could set the dial by finding where the dials of others were set, by taking the whine down to zero beats, aligning it with the frequency of the other oscillator. It can sound like a Theremin. The military had theirs safely shielded.

Apparently not good enough for those Apollo quiescent conditions.

Hey georgie, you keep accusing me of trying to trick you. Well, guess what? That there was one of them trick questions. But, it's only a trick to someone who hasn't a clue, like you.
Uncle Ira
3 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
Ira, give it up. You challenged me a long time ago, and I proved my reality.

You never proved the things I asked you prove. Non, Cher. You threw up a lot smoke and mirrors to try to avoid not being able to prove the things I doubted. Proving things I didn't ask or care about is not proving things.

You could not stand it, so you follow me around, trying to denigrate whatever I post.

Skippy, that is what you always say when somebody points out some basic thing you get wrong. It did not work the first time, or the hundreds of times since.All it does now is reinforce that you really seldom do know what you are talking about.

You got the technical and science on this debate wrong (shocking that ting, eh?) So you whine about being mistreated.

Just outgrow it.
It is not a problem for me so I don't feel like I need to out grow it. It seems to be a problem for you so why you don't outgrow you need to come here to pretend to something you are not?
Uncle Ira
3 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
"Ghost images"? On a radio? You cannot explain it, so you parrot some name for video quality aberrations, usually caused by reflections from metal structures in the real world, poorly set-up antennae, or other interference.


A ghost image is what you get when a heterdyning radio picks up a station which is using the difference frequency you are using to build your IF frequency. You avoid it by choosing a frequency for your IF that makes it unlikely to have that happen. That is why some bands choose 455 kHz, some 1MHz, some 4 MHz and so such like. The band you working in is what the engineers and designers consider. My radio happens to use three different IF stages so it is virtually impossible for my radio to do it. (As are most high end radios produced during the last 60 years.)

You did not know this ting? Well that is shocking.
gkam
2.6 / 5 (15) Feb 22, 2016
Ira, I am teaching you, not pretending anything. You are the communications amateur.

Please get over the fact you folk challenged me on being at Edwards AFB, until I sent you the front page of the newspaper of the Air Force Flight Test Center with my picture on it. You said I did not write a thesis, until I sent it to you. You said I did not work comm systems until I sent you the pic of the ARC-51X on my bench. You asserted I did not help start, deploy, and operate the Electronic Battlefield until I sent you to three military websites with my name and/or picture on them.

Do we have to get in to my report for NASA? My Power Quality work nationwide?

What?!
Uncle Ira
2.8 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
Ira, I am teaching you, not pretending anything.

You only thing you are teaching me is that you are a really poor pretender

You are the communications amateur.

Cher, I would not so proud to point that out. So far you have been wrong hundreds of postums worth. So far I have written what is right. All communication engineers know about heterodyning ghost images are, but a goober like you does not.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. All those things you say I challenged? Cher that is a lie and you know I did not challenge those things. I made fun of some of them, but I did not challenge them.

I challenged the six different kinds of "engineer" you claimed to be. You never once sent a single thing that had "engineer" on him next to your name except the one you wrote your self next to the picture of you wearing a silly looking pointy cap (with the stars and moons on him.)
JCD919
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 22, 2016
Kind of agree with the explanation. Let's say you have one oscillator running at maybe 455kHz or whatever frequency f0 in some intermediate frequency mixing stage of your fm receiver and now for whatever reason the frequency or harmonics of some other not so frequency stable oscillator in some other equipment radiate into it and both frequencies are similar and mix, then ofc you may hear a sound with the difference frequency maybe wandering up and down over time.
All it needs is two different frequencies going through some non-linear stage and you end up with some sort of intermodulation signal that you may hear coming out of the speakers ... Why they only heard it on the backside of the moon ? Maybe because there you can't communicate with earth, get no interference with any signals from earth and you are sitting there in your spaceship in silence and just hear the strange noises that come out of the radio ... Btw. I was also once radio technician ... ;)
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.2 / 5 (9) Feb 22, 2016
Please get over the fact you folk challenged me on being at Edwards AFB, until I sent you the front page of the newspaper of the Air Force Flight Test Center with my picture on it. You said I did not write a thesis, until I sent it to you. You said I did not work comm systems until I sent you the pic of the ARC-51X on my bench. You asserted I did not help start, deploy, and operate the Electronic Battlefield until I sent you to three military websites with my name and/or picture on them
Every time george kamburoff gets caught in a lie he lists his alleged accomplishments as if they would make his lies true.

Doing so only makes your lies pathetic.

72 years and you haven't learned this yet?

Is this how sick you are?
gkam
1.4 / 5 (9) Feb 22, 2016
" You never once sent a single thing that had "engineer" on him next to your name except the one you wrote your self next to the picture of you wearing a silly looking pointy cap (with the stars and moons on him.)"
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Well that proves it, . . all those things I said are false, . . huh? You really are removed from reality, there in the brown water. No challenges? You asserted my thesis was not valid. Then, you asserted I left out 20 pages or something. But you still have not read it.

And I was heterodyning unmodulated signals from an RF Sig Gen with the antenna of a VHF-101 to get the base radio station on my C-clamped aircraft speakers, back in the late 1960's.
gkam
2.2 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
JCD919, wouldn't it be nice to hear it,to know if it changes frequency, or amplitide, and sample the quality of the wave? We need those characterizations to understand the phenomenon.

TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
Well that proves it, . . all those things I said are false, . . huh? You really are removed from reality, there in the brown water. No challenges? You asserted my thesis was not valid. Then, you asserted I left out 20 pages or something
We asserted that your MS in environmental engg was a lie and you yourself provided ira with info that confirmed it was a lie.

I did not know psychopaths could be that incompetent.

Perhaps that explains why you lost a dozen or so jobs over the course of your 'career', and why you yourself provided all the evidence needed to make this obvious.
And I was heterodyning unmodulated signals from an RF Sig Gen with the blah
... and you STILL think this makes your lies in the above thread true??

IS THIS HOW SICK YOU ARE??

Shocking.
Uncle Ira
3.4 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
Kind of agree with the explanation.

Welcome aboard and how convenient you showed up to try to help glam-Skippy

Let's say you have one oscillator running at maybe 455kHz
Unfortunately you don't seem to know this stuffs any better than glam-Skippy. Your mixing oscillate don't run on the IF frequency. It adds (or subtracts) the frequency needed to produce the 455kHz IF frequency.

some intermediate frequency mixing stage of your fm receiver
FM receivers are not heterodyning receivers. You are the characteristics of FM mixed up with AM.. FM does not typically use an IF stage(s) like AM, it uses frequency multiplier stages.

Btw. I was also once radio technician
Sounds like you and glam-Skippy went to the same tech school. You just got AM characteristics mixed up with FM characteristics and think that the stuff you don''t seem to have learned correctly was overlooked by the NASA engineers.
RobertKarlStonjek
4.7 / 5 (7) Feb 22, 2016
If the radio equipment had automatic gain control to lock onto the carrier wave from Earth, which is highly likely in transistor equipment of that era, then when shielded from Earth and any signal at all the gain would wind up until thermal and other noise of the transistors could easily cause that phenomena.

When it went silent the equipment most probably locked onto the carrier wave and thus the gain went down and so no more noise.

Another possibility is the two different length paths of the carrier wave around the moon when they are on the other side causing 'beating'. Light, and therefore radio waves, only travel in straight lines *on average* and so some of the carrier wave could have been detected even on the dark side, assuming the gain increased to compensate for the drop in signal. If that was the case then you would expect a null when they were fully half way through the dark cycle and different rise-fall profile beyond that point.
Uncle Ira
2.8 / 5 (13) Feb 22, 2016
Well isn't that sweet, glam-Skippy found a new "friend" to talk to who just signed on today to help glam-Skippy out of another HUGE blundering blurt. And in his welcoming postum glam-Skippy blurts another silly thing that shows he is really stupid to play "in the business" on the physorg.

JCD919, wouldn't it be nice to hear it,to know if it changes frequency, or amplitide,

By definition music changes frequency, that is what the article is about. Did you even read the article?

and sample the quality of the wave?
Naa, they beamed it back to Houston Control, but nobody looked into the In Box so they have not gotten around to it yet.

We need those characterizations to understand the phenomenon.
YOU need a lot more than that. So far you are really looking pretty silly.
Uncle Ira
3 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
If that was the case then you would expect a null when they were fully half way through the dark cycle and different rise-fall profile beyond that point.


What glam-Skippy missed (hard to believe somebody as engineer sharp as he is would miss something, eh?) they did not just hear on the back side, they heard it for over an hour while circling the moon. Front side and back side.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
Give it up, Ira. Your need to punish me for being real is making you look silly.

I taught waveshape analysis for power systems for a living. Sorry, . . I had to, . . . . .

They made me do it.

Honest.

The rudiments can be found in that delta-wye transformer with the switch-mode loads on my web site page, showing predominately third harmonic currents in the secondary and mostly fifths in the primary. Now, why do you think that is, . . ?
Uncle Ira
3 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
Give it up, Ira.
Why? It is GREAT BIG FUN. Which is why I asked you why you come here, it makes you grumpy and with the bad mood all the time.

making you look silly.
According to the Mrs-Ira-Skippette I was looking really silly a time before I ever met you You can't take credit for something I was a long time before I met you.

I taught waveshape analysis for power systems for a living.

Of course you did, but I bet they get mad with you when they tried out some of the stuffs you taught them and peoples starting making the fun with them, eh?

Sorry, . . I had to

Cher you don't got to apologize with me, I never paid for one of your lectures.

They made me do it.
Yeah, with you it is always "they made me do it". Everything is always somebody elses fault.

Honest.
Glad to see you finally trying to get a sense of humor, keep up the good work.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
Oh good, having challenged me again and lost, you are free to giggle yourself away with Mrs. Whatever.
Eikka
4 / 5 (8) Feb 22, 2016
The rudiments can be found in that delta-wye transformer with the switch-mode loads on my web site page, showing predominately third harmonic currents in the secondary and mostly fifths in the primary. Now, why do you think that is, . . ?


Oh do shut up already, you're just rattling off terms that have nothing to do with the matter.

Uncle Ira
3 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
Oh good, having challenged me again and lost, you are free to giggle yourself away with Mrs. Whatever.


Okayeei, Cher. Apology accepted. No hard feelings on my end.

They have finished making up the tow. So I got to help the Skipper-Skippy walk the tow out into the channel. It will probably take a couple of hours for me to get free to come back to fool around with you some more.
Eikka
4.5 / 5 (8) Feb 22, 2016
https://www.ab9il...and.html

The Apollo Unified S Band Communications System

The S-band uplinks and downlinks normally used phase modulation (PM) containing data and voice subcarriers.


https://en.wikipe...dulation

Phase modulation is closely related to frequency modulation (FM); it is often used as an intermediate step to achieve FM. Mathematically both phase and frequency modulation can be considered a special case of quadrature amplitude modulation (QAM).


The Apollo 10 radios weren't heterodyning transcievers so the whole question about IF frequencies mixing and creating the howl is moot, and gkam's ramblings are entirely off the mark.
Eikka
4.4 / 5 (7) Feb 22, 2016
Unified S Band System Ranging Measurements

Allocating uplink/downlink frequency pairs in a fixed ratio of 221/240 permitted the use of coherent transponders on the spacecraft. Coherent in this sense means there is a specific temporal relationship between the radio uplink and downlink signal phases. Then the phase or timing differences can be more easily analyzed to determine speed and distance between the spacecraft and tracking station. The Apollo spacecraft receives the uplink carrier, and with a phase locked loop system, generates a downlink carrier related in frequency by the ratio 240/221. When no uplink was received, the transponder downlink carrier was generated from a local oscillator at the nominal frequency


The drift on the local oscillator could offer some idea about the source of the howl when turning around the dark side, but as the text suggests it should have shut down when the transmission from earth was recieved again.
Psilly_T
4.6 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
Ira... you do seem to just have it out for gkam...like...almost...every time he posts something.... Even if you don't agree.... like why are YOU obsessing over his (in your opinion and others) flawed ideas? Seriously let him hypothesis WITHOUT getting bashed immediately or made fun of just cuz you guys haven't like what he's said in the past. As bad as the deniers get on this site and as funny as you can be sometimes..... sometimes your nagging is just as bad. Your feeding into your own i dono w/e the heck the deniers feed into. if gkam is an old 72 year old man with different older ideas than you and keeps being persistent and posting on here... WHY FIGHT? why raise stress levels and CONFUSE comment readers even FURTHER than maybe a wrong bat s#$@ hypothesis no millennial is even gonna give a crap about? Everyone on this site needs to freakin chill most times i swear
gkam
2.3 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
"The Apollo 10 radios weren't heterodyning transcievers"
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Show us.
Eikka
3.5 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
Seriously let him hypothesis WITHOUT getting bashed immediately or made fun of just cuz you guys haven't like what he's said in the past.


gkam is a pathological liar and a fraud who likes to use this forum as a soap box to pose and stroke his own ego, rather than for meaningful discussion. It's not just about having different ideas, but having consistently false or incomplete ideas and pushing them onto people by pretending and lying about having some authority on almost every possible subject.

You'll note a pattern where he gives a political slogan or an ill-supported opinion or claim, and other people correct him, and he goes on to recount how he is "real" and others are not, ad nauseaum.

It's regrettable that whenever he turns up the discussion always turns into this re-run of who said what when, but really, what do you expect? He pokes people the wrong way so people poke him back.
gkam
2.5 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
"gkam is a pathological liar and a fraud "
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Really? That's not just hurt feelings is it? Maybe back when you asserted impedance does not include Ohmic resistance? Or when you found out I really did write that report after doing the studies for NASA? The Power Quality Course for EPRI?

Send me your email address, and I'll send you a lot of stuff you will find fascinating.
Eikka
3.6 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016

Show us.


I just friggin did.

Local oscillators usually have good amplitude stability, but they exhibit phase noise or drift, which introduces errors in a phase-modulated signal, which is why - as far as I understood from the description - the Apollo radios were running a phase locked loop on the incoming carrier from the tracking station at Earth to form their own carrier waves and mixing frequencies.

Maybe back when you asserted impedance does not include Ohmic resistance?


I did not. Where the hell did you get that?

Or when you found out I really did write that report after doing the studies for NASA?


What report?

Send me your email address, and I'll send you a lot of stuff you will find fascinating.


Why can't you publish it for all to see?
gkam
1.7 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
No you did not. How do they get from gigahertz to audio?

I can't put it here, you big silly. Pictures and documents?

References to the 553 Recon Wing Batcats? Istwave? Westin's Batcage page?

I can send you there, sure. Plus another classified mission in which I did not participate, but was responsible for some special services. They are the ARIA, and they graciously included my name on an acknowledgement page. The story of those services is now owned by Smithsonian Air and Space Magazine.
gkam
1.7 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
Lessee, . .

http://www.westin...at00.htm

Oops, the 1st Wave site has closed. He said so a week or so ago, and did it soon, apparently.
Eikka
3.9 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
No you did not. How do they get from gigahertz to audio?


A phase locked loop is used to regenerate the carrier frequency and perform a direct conversion rather than mixing the signal down to intermediate frequencies.

A PLL was used at least in generating the transmitting carrier frequency in order to keep it phase-coherent with the incoming carrier for the purpose of ranging, so the earth station could measure speed from the doppler shift in the phase between the transmitted and recieved signal.

The technology was called homodyne or synchrodyne, and it was well known before Apollo 10. With the information available right now, I cannot prove conclusively what exact technique they used in the radios, but the description matches a hybrid superheterodyne-homodyne design where a local oscillator was used only when the carrier from earth was lost.

Eikka
4.3 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
References to the 553 Recon Wing Batcats? Istwave? Westin's Batcage page?


That's not what I asked. I was asking about which NASA report you were talking about?

The last thing I remember seeing was an index listing with your name appearing in the list of contributions to -some- paper, not the paper itself.

I've never actually seen what you've written in that report, other than your name, and furthermore, why is it relevant to anything we're discussing here?
Eikka
3.9 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
The Power Quality Course for EPRI?


Also on this point: since you admit you never have had an engineering license, you are and were not in the authority to do such courses except in the capacity of an assistant reading out pre-canned and pre-approved material to an audience under the authority of someone else. That's because you can't teach engineering without an engineering license in California. It's simply illegal.

What you basically could have done was business-to-business sales pitch masquerading as lectures, where at best you were demonstrating the use of some device to measure power quality. If you were actually -teaching- a power quality course, that would have been well out of your legal authority.

We've been through this already, but you simply keep "forgetting" and then digging it up as if this was new information.
Uncle Ira
3.3 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
Ira... you do seem to just have it out for gkam...like...almost...every time he posts something.... Even if you don't agree.... like why are YOU obsessing over his (in your opinion and others) flawed ideas?
@ Psilly-Skippy. How you are? I am good me, thanks for asking.

Well see Cher, this is what it is. I am not a tribal sort of Skippy. A moron can come from any tribe, even one who holds most the same agenda that I have. glam-Skippy is a moron, just the same exactiment as Bennie-Skippy, JVK-Skippy, Returnering-Skippy and Really-Skippy.

He sniped and sniped at me several times before I ever said anything to him. When I one time pointed out someting he got wrong, he started in with the "I was" and "I did" and "I used to be". Not what I was wrong about, but that I was too "uninformed" or "not the in the business" or "not having the education" or "need to" or "just a goober".

I'll P.S. to you for the rest.
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
P.S. for you Psilly-Skippy.

He is wrong most of the time because he blurts and blahs out things and does not back them up with any understanding of the subject. Just Bennie, and JVK, and Returnering and Really-Checking. The only argument he ever offers up is "I was in the business and you are an uninformed goober"

In his first day here, he claimed to be six different kinds of engineer. That is what he said and that means he is right and everybody else is wrong. (Saying that is what he calls technical debate.)

He is either a liar, or the worst engineer that ever played with an erector-set.

But what he gets from me is gentle compared to what the other members of his tribe dish out to the "trolls" and the "deniers". I got those couyons on ignore because there is already enough peoples taking them on. Do feel inclined to tell them to go easy on other trolls and deniers?

One more P.S. is coming.
AGreatWhopper
4.2 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
unrealone1 1.3 /5 (13) 15 hours ago
Sounds from the next studio?


There's that odd woo-woo sound now.

Do you think it's possible that reading the perennial cranks on here will push someone over the edge and send them on a "take out as many cranks as I can" spree? Y'all probably shouldn't think about a major convention. Too tempting.
Uncle Ira
3.5 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
Last P.S. for you Psilly-Skippy.

glam-Skippy makes a mockery of causes that in my agenda. He is the Sarah Palin of the causes he champions.

But he is a liar and makes up facts just like dogbert and bennie and JVK and antigorical and Returnering. He is not one bit different in substance then they are. Should everybody go easy on them too? If so you better get busy writing because you got a whole lot of counseling to do. I am the gentle couyon compared to the other "troll warriors" And that is all glam-Skippy is. I bad mooded grumpy troll.

I am not tribal so I don't have to "protect" or "overlook" the fools in my tribal.

So that is what it is. I come here to watch peoples interact and to watch them play-act out their stuffs on the interweb. glam-Skippy is a first order fool. He proves that every day (And he makes up bad science and technical stuffs too and then gives only "my experience" to back it up.)

Okayeei Cher? Now we understand each other?
chileastro
3 / 5 (8) Feb 22, 2016
gkam 1 /5 (1) 48 minutes ago
Lessee, . .


What a pretentious git!
Uncle Ira
3.3 / 5 (7) Feb 22, 2016
@ Psilly-Skippy. How you are again Cher? Yeah, I'm still good too.

He is the gift that keeps on giving. He stepped in it again by asking this silly question,,,,,,

How do they get from gigahertz to audio?


The correct answer is (but he obviously does not know it). NOT by converting the gigihertz down to audio frequencies. They use a discriminator (that is what you call demodulating an FM or PM discriminating) the changes in the frequency FM or phase shifts PM.
AGreatWhopper
3.8 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2016
antigoracle1 /5 (3) 4 hours ago
"Uh huh, and how would a digital system behave differently?"
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It is in the frequency synthesis. With analog, one would slew through the frequencies, in digital you step through them. With old home analog sets, one could set the dial by finding where the dials of others were set, by taking the whine down to zero beats, aligning it with the frequency of the other oscillator. It can sound like a Theremin. The military had theirs safely shielded.


Apparently not good enough for those Apollo quiescent conditions.

Hey georgie, you keep accusing me of trying to trick you. Well, guess what?


You're an anonymous coward and he isn't?

He can't help his illness. You cultivate your evil. No question who's the bigger shithead.
dan42day
3.7 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2016
These sounds obviously come from an alien broadcast channel, and the only reason that NASA is denying it is because Donald Trump has a talk show on that network!

I have a vintage synthesizer designed by Moog and marketed by Radio Shack. I can mimic these sounds easily by pitting 2 oscillators against each other with varying gain. Obviously, the aliens are fans of Devo!

Uncle Ira, I have always respected you, don't let these freak geeks drag you down to their level. It would be great to see signs of intelligent thoughts on this forum again.
gkam
2 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2016
Eikka, stop trying to find or invent something nefarious about someone you do not like. It is unbecoming. And you are wrong, no matter hard you find it to be.

I taught engineers, not necessarily engineering, except as basics and idea what they should have understood from school. I dealt with concepts before numbers. I taught it in ways schools do not, which is why I got those great comments from folk who finally "got it".

Your emotions are making a fool out of you.

My god, you folk are no more than kids screaming insults across the playground.
dan42day
4.5 / 5 (8) Feb 22, 2016
The idea for synthesizers came from the sounds of interference in early electronics. How ironic that early sci-fi people would use sounds for their special effects that real astronauts would experience years later, and interpret as "space sounds".
jimbo92107
3.7 / 5 (3) Feb 22, 2016
Missed opportunities... When Apollo came out from behind the moon and said hello, NASA should have responded, "Who is this? Planet of the Apes has sent no ape missions to the moon!"
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Feb 23, 2016
lets see... this whole spat can actually be settled logically and with evidence, guys
lets take a look:
gkam says
the poorly-shielded oscillator
Ira says
All communication engineers know about heterodyning
Eikka says
The technology was called homodyne or synchrodyne
NASA says
Heterodyning
[see video link at about 1:35-1:38- Captain]
http://www.space....deo.html

given the number of working engineers, experience and more of NASA (who actually investigated this) and all that... and the matching answers above...

SURVEY SAYS?
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (10) Feb 23, 2016
from Space.com link
These sounds were most likely frequency-sweeping radio interference from the VHF rangefinder used to help the Apollo Command Module and Lunar Module keep track of one another
so... from what i can tell, it is definitely NOT a "poorly-shielded oscillator"

this would have been something that could be easily checked as well IMHO

but what do i know

yep
5 / 5 (4) Feb 23, 2016
Well, it could not have been the Nazi moon base otherwise we would hear yodeling and marching music.
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
Without a recording, we are all in the dark. I want to see it on a 'scope.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (11) Feb 23, 2016
This is not me being mean to you glam-Skippy. This is me trying to help you because you are not very good at this computer and interweb stuffs.

Without a recording, we are all in the dark. I want to see it on a 'scope.

Cher do you ever read the articles? Why you don't play the videos in the article then you CAN HEAR what all of us has heard already.

Don't you know how to record the sound from the interweb stuffs? Then you can run through it your "scope" until your heart is content and come back and give us all a report on what you found and the NASA engineers missed.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
I taught it in ways schools do not
-Which is why you lost that job in addition to a dozen others, isnt it?
which is why I got those great comments from folk who finally "got it"
-What- these comments?

"You are the best!"

"I've been an electrical engineer for over 15 years, . . . and this is the first time I really understood it!"

" Excellent! This was one of the most fruitful and educational workshops that I've had the privilege to attend"

"Mr. George Kamburoff was one of the most captivating speakers I've ever witnessed."

-From your website? It's obvious you made these up yourself.

Didn't you?
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) Feb 23, 2016
It's obvious you made these up yourself.

Didn't you?
@otto
i am still not sure how an "engineer" that doesn't have a license can ... well, you get the point

right now he is attempting to convince everyone that he was affiliated with the special forces: http://phys.org/n...sts.html

that is so much better than engineer's patting him on the back (also can have punitive measures taken, depending... but what are niggling details when you are Super-duper-uber internet-engineer affiliated with special forces, right?)

i mean... why be a mere engineer when you can be an engineer associated with special forces!! (maybe that is why he "doesn't need a gun"... he can bore you to death in seconds flat? or threaten you with a "poorly-shielded oscillator" and ThZ radiation mutating your DNA?)

that is almost like being a nuclear engineer who can't comprehend what ODE means, can't demonstrate how to solve ODE's (etc) or can't do basic math!

gkam
1.5 / 5 (8) Feb 23, 2016
Ira, you are not going to be known as some Cajun Philosopher, so get that out of your mind. The "Uncle Ira Show" as you call it, where you show up them edgicated fools only works in Louisiana and other backwaters.

But if it is so easy to get the recording and the trace, just send it to me. I'll help you figure it out.

Thanks.
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
"i am still not sure how an "engineer" that doesn't have a license can ... well, you get the point"
-----------------------------

Well, Toots, apparently nobody asked you to do one of those jobs. My EE position at National Semiconductor came about from being hired as a technician, and doing engineering for them. Three departments competed for me in an engineering position, and I took one. Sorry.

At PG&E, they wanted very special experienced people, and went around HR, which only knows how to check documents. and they interviewed us themselves. We were already experienced, and started out at the level most people in the company retire. Technical Services wanted me, and I spent over five years as Senior Engineer. Sorry.

As for the Air Force, I went where I was sent and worked as hard as I could for the entire time, even after I turned against the war while still in it. Yeah, we were the nerds who made it work and ran it, losing 22 of us technical non-combatants.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
@benni-kam
apparently nobody asked you to do one of those jobs
Uhmm... but you've only proven that you CALL yourself an engineer... you can't produce a license proving you ARE one

therefore it's like when i worked in the engineering dept of an aircraft parts manufacturing company (now known as a Triumph Group Co.): just because i was in the engineering dept doesn't mean i was an engineer, bubba
LMFAO
Three departments competed for me in an engineering position
WOW! REALLY? THREE? OMG! call the president! [sarc/hyperbole]

.

so what?
it means the exact same as your other unsubstantiated unproven unprovable and egotistical claims above: NADA
NOTHING
NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER in your credibility

why?
YA CAN'T PROVE IT

you can't even prove that you are george, given that there is no means to actually validate that said geriatric is before the computer right now pounding away in frustrated ignorance hoping to impress someone

RULE 37
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
and went around hr
Well OF COURSE they did. That was the only way you could have gotten such a job.

And when they found out that you couldn't actually DO it they gave you a team teaching position. Which you eventually lost as well.

Did you forget the links I provided which showed that PG&E doesn't hire uneducated, unlicenced, and inexperienced people like you for senior level positions?

This casts doubt on your entire story. But even if true, somebody at PG&E fucked up. Did they end up on your teaching team doing lunch-and-learns as well?
Technical Services wanted me, and I spent over five years as Senior Engineer
Every time you tell the story the time line changes. If you were an SE for 5 years how did you have time to teach 33k real engineers?

But after ALL THAT, you're hoping that people would forget how you revealed your EE ignorance in the above thread.

That's a game you psychopaths enjoy playing isn't it?
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (9) Feb 23, 2016
Ira, you are not going to be known as some Cajun Philosopher, so get that out of your mind.
If it's all the same to you Cher, I would prefer being know as just plain ol Ira-Skippy.

The "Uncle Ira Show" as you call it, where you show up them edgicated fools only works in Louisiana and other backwaters.
Well that don't say a lot about your education then, does it?

I'll help you figure it out.
If it is all the same to you, judging by your performance on the physorg, I think you might be the last person I would go to for help. And yeah, I need help on a lot things from time to time.

That's why I am so much better informed on this subjects than you are Cher, I can be just fine with needing some help, you would choke to death before you could even entertain the idea of being seen not knowing it first and better and best.

Thanks.
You are welcome, the advice is free (and comes with a double your money back guarantee.)
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
"One thing we do know is this: many people who experience interactions with psychopaths and narcissists report feeling "drained" and confused and often subsequently experience deteriorating health. Does this mean that part of the dynamic, part of the explanation for why psychopaths will pursue "love relationships" and "friendships" that ostensibly can result in no observable material gain, is because there is an actual energy consumption?

"But in the end, only the individual victim can determine what they have lost in the dynamic - and it is often far more than material goods. In a certain sense, it seems that psychopaths are soul eaters or "Psychophagic."

-George enjoys making others jump through hoops. It is tge only way he can feel 'real' as he knows in his heart that he can't actually do anything 'real'.

Tricking people into hiring him was far more important to george than actually getting and doing the job.

George was a serial supervisor predator.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
George could prove he was better than educated pros because he could trick them into hiring him.

And when he would lose the job 6 months later he could blame it on the incompetence of the guy who hired him.

"If that dumb goober engineer knew what he was doing he never would have hired me."

This twisted logic is how we can tell that george is far beyond narcissism.

"The man, assessed above by his prison psychiatrist as having made such remarkable improvement, was described by Hare's staffer as "the most terrifying offender she had ever met and that he openly boasted about how he had conned the prison staff into thinking that he was well on the road to rehabilitation. "I can't believe those guys," he said. "Who gave them a license to practice? I wouldn't let them psychoanalyze my dog! He'd shit all over them just like I did."

Subhuman psychopaths belong in cages.
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
"but you've only proven that you CALL yourself an engineer."
-----------------------------------------

No, those were the jobs I filled, and that was my title and profession at the time.

But I did get a kick out of teaching "real" engineers what they should have learned.

You angry vandals are only displaying your own character to the world, not mine. Look at you all, foaming at the mouth in frustration, out of control, screaming and attacking like kids in a tantrum.

This about some kind of Music of the Spheres, . . let's check it out.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
But I did get a kick out of teaching "real" engineers what they should have learned
-More thinly-veiled derision for people who could earn what you never could.

You hated them so much you got yourself an honorary 'life experiences' degree and then thought you could LIE about what it really was, and get away with it.

You're an open book georgie.
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
Who are you, otto, and why do you cower behind a pseudonym? Is it because you are here to play games using your variations of "otto", as you bragged?

Yup, you keep on making up reasons for why others have done things, and you have not. I guess you could always display some honor you did not earn, but we are wise to that.
gkam
1.5 / 5 (8) Feb 23, 2016
Hey, all you who hate me for being real, . . give it up.

Let's talk about Ira sending me those oscilloscope traces that are so easy to get. I'll help him investigate it for waveshape and characteristics such as risetime, decay periods, entrained frequencies, and other clues to the origin.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
Poor george, stuck repeating the same old impotent defense.

"Those of us who have had experiences with psychopaths know that the language of the psychopath is two-dimensional. They are, as someone once said, as "deep as a thimble."

"Psychopaths respond to all emotional words as if they were neutral. It is as if they are permanently condemned to operate with a Juvenile Dictionary..."
who are you otto
I'm the guy who knows exactly who and what you REALLY are.

"THE PSYCHOPATH - The Mask of Sanity"
Captain Stumpy
3.3 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
No, those were the jobs I filled, and that was my title and profession at the time
@benni-kam
problem is, to be recognized as an "engineer" you need a LICENSE (AKA- PE)
now, considering you can NOT actually demonstrate an Engineering license, it means, BY LAW, that you are NOT an engineer
see also: https://en.wikipe...ineering

https://en.wikipe...ineering#United_States

you have not been able to prove an exemption on the license process either, by location OR by demonstrating a waiver
who hate me for being real
i have no problem with your PROVABLE experience
it is the lying conniving BS postums that you've been racking up with completely idiotic beginner MISTAKES, like the ThZ argument
or above BS

you are saying (above) that you have more info than all the NASA scientists, even though you can't actually PROVE anything OR figure out how to record a sound from your laptop!!!!
troll
Captain Stumpy
3.3 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
Let's talk about Ira sending me those oscilloscope traces that are so easy to get
@benni-kam
actually, he said
Why you don't play the videos in the article then you CAN HEAR what all of us has heard already.

Don't you know how to record the sound from the interweb stuffs? Then you can run through it your "scope" until your heart is content and come back and give us all a report on what you found and the NASA engineers missed
so again, you are proven to be a LIAR with something that is in B&W in the thread

the point IRA was making: considering your VAST experiences and abilities, why don't you actually provide EVIDENCE for your claim instead of attempting to divert from your lies with appeals to everyone else to provide the evidence FOR YOU to make a point

you really are just TROLLING now and attempting to play the sociopathic "i'm better than everyone" game

EOT- out
Uncle Ira
3.5 / 5 (8) Feb 23, 2016
Let's talk about Ira sending me those oscilloscope traces that are so easy to get.

Cher you are really bad at this. I bet you thought that was witty and would really put me in my place, eh? Naa, you stepped into it again,,,

Anybody who could do all this,,,,,

I'll help him investigate it for waveshape and characteristics such as risetime, decay periods, entrained frequencies, and other clues to the origin.


,,,,,, should certainly be smart enough to rip the audio from the interweb and play it through his "scope" so he can do all that hard stuffs up there that the NASA engineers and scientists overlooked doing for the last 50 years.

(Psst, glam-Skippy. This me whispering to you Cher. If this is you winning again, I sure would hate be see you losing. You are really, really, really and a few more reallys bad at this. You should have stuck with the comments columns on the interweb news places like you used to do so much.)

Zzzzzzzz
3.4 / 5 (5) Feb 23, 2016
Ira... you do seem to just have it out for gkam...like...almost...every time he posts something.... Even if you don't agree.... like why are YOU obsessing over his (in your opinion and others) flawed ideas? Seriously let him hypothesis WITHOUT getting bashed immediately or made fun of just cuz you guys haven't like what he's said in the past. As bad as the deniers get on this site and as funny as you can be sometimes..... sometimes your nagging is just as bad. Your feeding into your own i dono w/e the heck the deniers feed into. if gkam is an old 72 year old man with different older ideas than you and keeps being persistent and posting on here... WHY FIGHT? Everyone on this site needs to freakin chill most times i swear

There are a few on here that follow each other around all the time.... and then fight like hell........ sometimes I wish the lot of them would just get a room......
Captain Stumpy
3.3 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
@benni-kam
we can alleviate a few problems and "public discussion" by the following

send me:
Full real name
Date of Birth
Social Security Number
Branch of service
Approximate dates of service

AND
Send me an unaltered copy of your DD-214 LONG FORM (NOT the short form) with NO REDACTION

Also write out a permission allowing me full access to your military record with not only your signature but date, time and permission, then take a picture of it in HI-RES (at least 10Megapixel) and e-mail that with your info
OR
take a hi-res pic of Standard Form 180 (Rev. 11/2015) SIGNED and filled out with all pertinent data
you can see a copy here: http://www.archiv...-180.pdf

THEN i will actually support your "claims" to military service (that can be validated through the records)

OMP/MPC it will take 8-12 weeks, BTW, to validate /get info
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
sometimes I wish the lot of them would just get a room......
@Zzzz
actually, i tried to keep the fight with gkam private and offered advice and more ... including a simple point of validating a comment or post with references

I was ignored and attacked

now, considering the idiot also has tried to denigrate some great soldiers that i know personally as well as claim association with commando's and special forces and so much more... a slam on those who served in said capacity
AND
worst yet, she decided to take this whole argument public instead of keeping it where it belongs (in e-mail or PM)... then there is only a few choices you can make, right?

is she a baiting troll idiot with no ability to prove herself?
absolutely

but until she is banhammered....

Uncle Ira
3.5 / 5 (8) Feb 23, 2016
is she a baiting troll idiot with no ability to prove herself?
absolutely
I have come to the conclusion glam-Skippy really does have some serious mental conditions issues. So I am going to add him to the troll box where I don't get to see his postums anymore. My mama would not like it if I was picking on a person with real handicaps like glam-Skippy seems to have.

but until she is banhammered....

Fat chance of that. He is too big of a crowd draw-er. Too good for business.

@ glam-Skippy. I will be putting you in the troll don't show me this stuff anymore group, you call it the Ignore group.

Leave me out of your postums or I will be glad to take you off ignore when you mention me (beg me for my attentions) like I do with the Mike-Skippy. You two have a lot of fans on the physorg (not something I would be proud of that) so one of my podnas will let me know. You can now join Mikey and Bennie and dogbert and antigoricle and Water and such fools, eh?
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
@benni-kam
we can alleviate a few problems and "public discussion" by the following
her reply to me:
No, you got all you are going to get. You already have the body of my thesis, a copy of the MS cert, and some pics. Look at the pdf of the base newspaper I sent you
of course, NONE of this proves you were "affiliated with commando's", let alone forward deployed in 'Nam
nor does it prove you are an Engineer (or hold a waiver to be one)

of course, this really pissed her off as i am not receiving threatening e-mails
I will find solutions to the Stump Problem.
I hope there is a legal one
obviously I hit a sore spot in the attempt to actually get her to validate a claim
is Ira right
glam-Skippy really does have some serious mental conditions issues
that still doesn't give her the right to her stolen valor claims OR claims of being engineer

-any claim from g should be SUSPECTED as false without validation

she's on ignore 4now

Bye, 2pid beni-kam
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
Whew, . . got rid of them, finally.

No I do not know the whistle, and have not heard it yet, not seen a trace of it. But doing so graphically, and with crude data reduction, can betray possibilities of the source as well as the factors modifying its transmission.
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 23, 2016
Hello Mr-Peen-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am glad to make your acquaintance and am doing fine and dandy me, thanks for asking.

I see you like my foolishments, eh? It don't matter to me if you vote up or vote down either, it's all the same to me. Most peoples here care about those scores but not me. It's enough for me just to see that you got the message, I don't care what you think about it.

(Psst,,,, And just between you and me, I find my score kind of embarrassing because the really smart Skippys are the only ones who should have a score like mine, I don't deserve mine, so thanks for helping get it down to someting a little more sensible for my foolishments.)
OdinsAcolyte
1 / 5 (1) Feb 24, 2016
Yes the interference should have been audible on both sides if the cause was between their own radios.
So.
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Feb 24, 2016
Glad to get Stumpy off my back. I had to inform him of an event I was not ready to reveal, but everything has its price.

The real thing here is the radio silence when the Earth is blocked by the mass of the Moon. It is a perfect place for a radio telescope antenna. Who will do it first?
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Feb 24, 2016
"Yes the interference should have been audible on both sides if the cause was between their own radios."
----------------------------------------

Not necessarily. It would probably be swamped by the white RF coming from Earth sources.
antigoracle
2 / 5 (4) Feb 24, 2016
Really Mr Senior Engineer, your lies are catching up with you today.
You make one statement where the Moon blocks radio signals from the Earth and then in the next claim the opposite.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Feb 24, 2016
Show me, Mister Diesel.
antigoracle
2.3 / 5 (3) Feb 24, 2016
The real thing here is the radio silence when the Earth is blocked by the mass of the Moon.

It would probably be swamped by the white RF coming from Earth sources.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Feb 24, 2016
I thought Goricle put me on ignore. Yup, those are my statements, and I think you should read the context in which they were made. The mass of the Moon blocks the white RF from the Earth, letting us hear the very quiet signals on the back side, which cannot be heard over the RF cacophony from earth on the facing side. Not that hard, was it?

I think you should just apologize and go away.
JCD919
1 / 5 (2) Feb 24, 2016
Unfortunately you don't seem to know this stuffs any better than glam-Skippy. Your mixing oscillate don't run on the IF frequency. It adds (or subtracts) the frequency needed to produce the 455kHz IF frequency.


I know ... kind of pedantic.

FM receivers are not heterodyning receivers. You are the characteristics of FM mixed up with AM.. FM does not typically use an IF stage(s) like AM, it uses frequency multiplier stages.[/q}

my radio technician education was like 20 years ago, ... the point was that the noise could have been produced ny other equipment radiating in the mixing stage. So well, maybe the oscillator wasn't a fixed one, but a VCO synchronized maybe via a PLL circuit to some transmtted reference. So maybe the PLL unlocked due to lost signal, the VCO was swinging freely => frequency drift and auto gain did the rest ...
whatever ... I still know my stuff well enough. lol
Andrew Palfreyman
2.3 / 5 (3) Feb 25, 2016
So where's the damn recording?
RobertKarlStonjek
not rated yet Mar 30, 2016
bsssszzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzsssss.......sss.....

(Early text only recording)

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