Three gravitational wave projects unveiled in China

Gravitational waves are direct evidence of ripples in the fabric of space-time, and their first-ever observation was announced b
Gravitational waves are direct evidence of ripples in the fabric of space-time, and their first-ever observation was announced by US scientists last week

Chinese scientists have unveiled three separate projects to investigate gravitational waves, state media said Wednesday, days after earthshaking US discoveries that confirmed Einstein's century-old predictions.

Space officials said such research would give China—which has an ambitious, military-run, multi-billion-dollar space programme that Beijing sees as symbolising the country's progress—an opportunity to become a "world leader" in the field.

Gravitational waves are direct evidence of ripples in the fabric of space-time, and their first-ever observation was announced by US scientists last week.

The Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) rolled out a proposal for a space-based gravitational wave detection project, the official Xinhua news agency reported.

The proposed Taiji programme, named after the "supreme ultimate" of Chinese philosophy symbolised by the yin-yang sign, would send satellites of its own into orbit or share equipment with the European Space Agency's eLISA initiative.

Separately, Sun Yat-sen University in Guangzhou also proposed to launch satellites into , while the Institute of High Energy Physics at CAS suggested a land-based scheme in Tibet.

All three projects have yet to obtain government approval, state media said.

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Grapihc explaining what gravitational waves are and how they can be detected

But Chinese physicist Hu Wenrui told the People's Daily newspaper, the official mouthpiece of the Communist party: "If we launch our own satellites, we will have a chance to be a world leader" in gravitational wave research.

Success "depends on the decision-makers' resolution and the country's investment", he added.

On a verified social media account the Chinese Academy of Science said: "If we can participate in these sorts of extremely precise technological projects then in a short time it will give a huge boost to our country's manufacturing industries."

Last week, scientists with the US-based Large Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) said they had detected waves resulting from the collision of two black holes 1.3 billion years ago.

The executive director of the laboratory hailed the discovery as being comparable to Galileo's use of the telescope four centuries ago to open the era of modern astronomy.


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Feb 17, 2016
Not directly related to this article, and in the realms of fringe science but humour me. Now if WARP drive propulsion is real, and assume aliens are too and using WARP drive, then I wonder if Gravitational Wave Detectors would pick them up? Wouldn't it be a surprise if when we get better detectors and more of them, that we find the universe lights up with Warp bubbles everywhere!!!

Rob
Feb 17, 2016
I love how China is going to turn hard core, big money science into a pissing contest. It is important for national pride and it is good for science to have them throwing some serious resources at fundamental science. Hopefully this will escalate with the west countering on similarly enormous undertakings.

Feb 17, 2016
Just like the LIGO team predict. A whole new field of study has been created.....
Someone please save science!

Feb 17, 2016
I love how China is going to turn hard core, big money science into a pissing contest.

Unfortunately large nations have a habit of abandoning such projects on short notice if it looks like there's no political gain (Tevatron, anyone?).

I do hope they go through with it.

X0r
Feb 17, 2016
Enough with arms races.. let's have a science race!


Feb 17, 2016
a pissing contest
The more observatories we have the better. I'm sure Chinese scientists will be more than willing to cooperate and share with the rest of the world whether theirs is bigger than ours or not.

Feb 17, 2016
"Amazing that with all the tech on earth and in orbit MORE sensitive to motion than LIGO, it was the only thing to react....no millisecond glitch in any atomic clock eh? No anomalous readings between the multi satellite missions that rely on continuous contact. Was the Hubbell mirror off when the wave passed?"

Read what you wrote again, and then try to realise how utterly stupid you've just made yourself look!

Thinking of going into science? Hint: don't, you're not very good at it.

Feb 17, 2016
Not sold on idea that grav waves having a limit of ds='c'. Whole other medium. whole other force. Need really goooood detectors to pick up small signals like WARP signatures. Probably have to mount these in space and away from strong attractors, like above the orbital plane and away from planets, an array.

Feb 17, 2016
oh bschott. Proclaiming your misunderstandings again.

I would have thought China smarter than that.,,


Or they realize something you haven't

....no millisecond glitch in any atomic clock eh? No anomalous readings between the multi satellite missions that rely on continuous contact. Was the Hubbell mirror off when the wave passed?


Errrr... are you intentionally picking the dumbest examples possible? Tell me: are those systems sensitive to strains around 1e-18 m? No? Ohhhh so that explains it......... man that was hard. The effect would be completely negligible, even in the ESA link you just gave.

If you want to actually pick a functional counter example, find a system that has to be accurate to that small of scale. I'm guessing you can't find a single one, with the exception of LIGO.


Feb 17, 2016
Before you get started: If you think a system such as this:

http://www.esa.in...er_light

would be immune to an effect that LIGO could detect, I would steer clear of science


Do tell though, exactly HOW precisely those satellites had to aim? Why would you expect to measure a strain of 1e-18 m? I assume by announcing this, you have actual facts to back yourself up?

"Oh, we are off by .000000000000000001m, better make an adjustment!"

Feb 17, 2016
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Feb 17, 2016
BS said
"Before you get started: If you think a system such as this:

http://www.esa.in...er_light

would be immune to an effect that LIGO could detect, I would steer clear of science...you won't be very good at it."
Quote from article,
"Last night, for the first time, a data link between satellites was established using a laser beam as signal carrier."

This means the light was able to be used to transmit data, not measuring anything.
[cntd]

Feb 17, 2016
"test data were transmitted from SPOT 4 to the ground via Artemis at a rate of 50 000 000 bits per second (50 Mbps)"
This means an appropriate handshaking occurred, and data was exchanged according to an arranged protocol, no doubt with some form of error correction.

I think you think a data connection would lose bits from a GW passing through, it wouldn't.

Feb 18, 2016
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Feb 18, 2016
using WARP drive,

Warp drive (I'm assuming you mean the Alcubierre type) would be a constant field - not a time variable one (which is what you need for a wave).

What you would get is a gravitational influence moving accross the sky. But it would be very small compared to other sources. Theoretically you could detect the change in lensing of the background as the bubble moves. But again: the effect would be really miniscule unless it was very close.

Feb 18, 2016
"if the LIGO lasers registered a gravitational wave,"
Individually, they didn't, it took an interferometer in the middle to do that. Don't think the comms system tested by ESA had one of those...
Again, data links are robust things, unaffected by any tiny variation in latency that may be caused by a GW.

Feb 18, 2016
"... the data converter would act as the measuring instrument with the bits as the units of measure. "
I'm sorry, this makes no sense, care to explain what "data converter" means, and how "bits as the units of measure." would work?

Really, trying to conflate LIGO with laser based network coms is just silly. One's a ruler, the other is a telephone.
Oh, and https://en.wikipe...iki/LIGO

Feb 18, 2016
Re atomic clocks...
"Using Atomic Clocks to Detect Gravitational Waves"
http://arxiv.org/...01.00996

Feb 18, 2016
...every laser based data transmission system on earth could be used to validate this claim if they all experienced an anomalous chirp in the bit transmission rate at the same time ...
@bs
does this take into consideration:
noise? other effects? atmospheric distortion? temperature and humidity? radiation? external movements? accidents? etc?
how would you segregate the noise from the signal to insure it is the GW? and do the sat's have said ability to segregate the noise like LIGO?
but when you understand how things work
and yet you still ignore the function of one vs another?
as Dog points out: purpose means a LOT when you are using technology
so do you comprehend the purpose of LIGO vs Communications sat's?
If that happened I would STFU about this and make a lot of you happy
yeah, because you have a history of accepting evidence over your speculations...
gotcha

Feb 18, 2016
Sigh, coms lasers do not have the instrumentation, ie interferometer. LIGO is not capable of digital data transmissions. They both use lasers. That is all they have in common.
Forget the data rate, without knowledge of the protocols used or the network stack, it's just a number.
And please re-read the LIGO link I provided, particularly https://en.wikipe...peration

Feb 18, 2016
"@tehDog - Your link says exactly what I said in my post, thanks."
You said;
"A network of atomic clocks all tuned to the same time (these already exist, and at distances much further apart than the 2 LIGO facilities)"
No mention of such a network being as wide as Earth's orbit.

"Question is, did the clocks pick it up?"
Of course not, no such network exists yet.

Feb 18, 2016
"... kept synchronized to an accuracy of ..."
Synchronised over a network, not a light speed LOS link.
Probably using https://en.wikipe...Protocol

"or are we now going to say ONLY LIGO's lasers were effected"
LIGO's lasers were/are the only lasers with the instruments needed to detect GW's. Why is that so hard to understand?

Feb 18, 2016
...the filtering process...far more difficult for LIGO than it is for laser based satellite communication
@bsTROLL
that was one of my points, BTW
it is more difficult for the communication system to do it
WTF? it's not even designed for it... let alone capable of registering said minuscule disturbance, troll boy

my point is:
1- 1e-18 m
2- the communication system is not designed to register the gravity wave and also holds multiple redundancies for communication- none of which are capable of registering said disturbance with the accuracy required like LIGO (I guess you missed the posts from Matt, Dog or AA_P?)

I noticed that you've not been able to actually demonstrate your points with evidence. ever wonder why? /rhetorical

So much for the "if that happened I would STFU about this" comment, eh?

so i guess i can close this with your own words:
your posts are a "clear demonstration of exactly what you do understand....zero"

Feb 18, 2016
Why is it so hard for you to understand that if gravitational waves have "an effect" on "a laser", that they must have the same effect on EVERY laser?


So, Bschott, why is LIGO unique? Why are they looking for gravitational waves there, and not say, with the space based array you are suggesting? Are you that much smarter, or are you missing something?

Feb 18, 2016
Hopefully my last comment in this thread...

"How they are synchronized doesn't really matter anyways,"
Priceless, words fail me.

" if a GW passed by an atomic clock it should have measurably slowed or quickened based on the frequencies at which they operate"

And what would do the measuring? Another atomic clock perhaps...?

Feb 19, 2016

Why is it so hard for you to understand that if gravitational waves have "an effect" on "a laser", that they must have the same effect on EVERY laser?

They do. But it only shows up in TWO lasers of SAME wavelength which are affected DIFFERENTLY (due to taking different paths) and then SUPERPOSED to interfere.

That is not a usual occurence in data transmission, because you don't have that superposition of lasers nor the different paths of equal length (nor do you have the hyperstable conditions that are present at LIGO.) Normal data transmission lines are designed to be robust to noise, because they actually are meant to transmit data (Duh). But the effect is so small that it is way below anything that would show up in current, commmercial data transmission hardware. That is way too crude for that.

Feb 19, 2016
If you think disrupting a laser that is transmitting data isn't visible in the data you are as dumb as...
@bsTROLL
ROTFLMFAO
Right... but because you are the jeenyus here, we all have to accept everything you say as infallible then, right?
no one can refute your claims because you're perfect and have evidence (none of which is actually referenced or linked above... of course)

before you continue with your general stupidity, perhaps you should learn about LIGO from some experts: here is a good link, and relevant... and the reason why your "stupidity" above is refuted by Matt, Dog or AA_P !

http://www.huffin...010.html

let me know if you still don't get it... maybe we can get Carroll or Tyson to use small words to explain it to you
Definitely mine kids.
yeah, just like you to make your "proclamations" without evidence but then start running away when someone proves you wrong
ROTFLMFAO

Feb 19, 2016
If you think disrupting a laser that is transmitting data isn't visible in the data


You have yet to establish this is even possible, given a 1e-18m strain.

Feb 19, 2016
Ok, one more...
bschott, you seem to to think every single bit sent is received. It isn't, not even over wired/fibre links. Bits will be lost or flipped for many reasons, and this is expected.
https://en.wikipe...ror_rate

Data (and voice these days) transmission is packet based.
A packet consists of a series of bytes, each containing a number of bits.
So, the connection is packet based, and the loss of a bit within a packet will not cause the loss of the data that packet represents.
All that happens is that that packets checksum doesn't match it's contents and a re-send request is sent.
Placing a time value on the instant a single bit is either dropped or flipped simply cannot happen.

https://en.wikipe...nication

I tried to find technical details on the EDRS recently spacetested, perhaps unsurprisingly I couldn't :]

Feb 19, 2016
bschott, you seem to to think every single bit sent is received
@Dog
Yeah... that is exactly what he is saying. i thought, being such an educated person as he has always proclaimed, he would know that isn't the case
BUT you can't teach a religious acolyte the truth

- you can lead a fanatic to knowledge but you can't make them think

Feb 19, 2016
CS,
"you can lead a fanatic to knowledge but you can't make them think"
If I believed that I wouldn't have bothered to contribute to this thread :)
I know bschott has some unorthodox ideas, but his questions here were worth answering, No idea if he liked those answers though :(

Feb 20, 2016
If I believed that I wouldn't have bothered to contribute to this thread
@Dog
I think you may have misunderstood what i meant...

Yes, the questions ARE worth answering. absolutely!
BUT...
it is not the fanatic that you are feeding information to but rather those who actually are seeking to understand the world around them.

those who do not understand have questions... they seek answers, right?
they see what BS writes & question what is real- which is where you came in and did a great job

however, it doesn't actually reach the fanatical bs at all... hence the phrase!

This is just like explaining transitional fossils, biology, the Lenski experiments, physics of boat building, animal dispersion, evolution, plate tectonics or how a pine tree debunks ken ham still doesn't make him accept reality over his delusional beliefs
(anyone ever wonder if ken ham is kosher? LOL!)

Feb 21, 2016
Hi TehDog, bschott. :)

LIGO 'measures' only sudden appearance of light at detector if locked-in destructive interference DEFAULT state is upset by distance changing between mirrors if gravitational wave passes through its 'legs'.

From my reading of bschott, his proposition basically is:

Could there be some incidental TIMING correlation with LIGO 'event' buried in other unrelated systems timing data re unusual glitches 'happening' around that time.

Then the question is:

What would those 'teltale' glitches be, if the same gravitational wave went through them at approximately the time it went through LIGO?

Well:

- Atomic Clocks might show transient 'synchrony loss' along series of A-clocks around globe.

- Satellite communication laser system might have been receiving slightly out of 'bit separation' interval expectation in unusual 'hiccup'.

Such 'coincidences' might indicate 'something' happened which affected more than just LIGO.

Interesting discussion. :)

Feb 22, 2016
Could there be some incidental TIMING correlation with LIGO 'event' buried in other unrelated systems timing data re unusual glitches

They have two LIGO systems. A timing glitch would show up all the time in both (and be easily corrected for) - not just during a real signal.

Atomic Clocks might show transient 'synchrony loss' along series of A-clocks around globe.

How would you detect such a loss of synchronization? You'd need to send synch-signal between the two and compare them. A laser perhaps that is superposed and shows a signal when it interferes to show that the two clocks are out of synch?
Bingo.
(Hint: for this scheme to work you don't need atomic clocks at all because the exact time is irrelevant. Only the difference is relevant. That is why LIGO does not need to use atomic clocks)

Satellite communication laser system might have been receiving slightly out of 'bit separation' interval

They are MUCH too crude to register this.

Feb 22, 2016

How would you detect such a loss of synchronization? You'd need to send synch-signal between the two and compare them. A laser perhaps that is superposed and shows a signal when it interferes to show that the two clocks are out of synch?
Bingo.


All they are really measuring is a phase shift in very long beam with a standing wave. Gravity is not the only thing that cause a phase shift in a beam of light.

This could have been an EMP. a rise in the neutrino flux, proton flux, a magnetic wave, polarization density wave. a high frequency seismic tremor,The only thing anyone can really is say is this. The laser of a specific frequency experienced interference.

Nothing is known about the cause.


Feb 22, 2016
All they are really measuring is a phase shift in very long beam with a standing wave. Gravity is not the only thing that cause a phase shift in a beam of light.

Correct. That is why any change is correlated with the second LIGO system. If a disturbance shows up in both systems AND has the same waveform characteristics (that match simulations of gravity waves) AND shows up at a time difference that indicates that the signal was travelling at the speed of light THEN you get a positive indication that what you see is actually a gravitational wave.

This could have been an EMP.

No. An EMP (and all the other stuff you mentioned except for the made-up gobbeldy-gook ones) does not have the same wave characteristic. I.e. increasing frequency and amplitude as the signal progresses followed by a ringdown. These others have a strong signal at the beginning that tapers off and a constand frequency or just a single spike.

Feb 22, 2016
http://phys.org/n...ity.html

Did a gamma ray burst accompany LIGO's gravity wave detection?

Herp derp, dumbkoffs


Feb 24, 2016
Hi antialias. :)
They have two LIGO systems.
Yes, we all realize that LIGO is not dependent on Clocks for the detection method per se (as per my description of the LIGO method in the very first sentence of the post you are responding to).

(Hint:...Only the difference is relevant. That is why LIGO does not need to use atomic clocks)
Yes. Please see above. However, aren't some clocks used for synchronizing / timing BETWEEN LIGOs?

They are MUCH too crude to register this.
Perhaps sufficiently sensitive/self-monitoring MilitaryScientific/GPS/Other precision laser/clock systems may have been affected enough to indicate 'something' happened? Even if 'crude', if all data collected/compared/correlated across many systems/events it may show pattern of transients indicating something happened all over, not just in LIGOs?

As I read bschott's point: not only clocks etc in LIGO but around globe (ground/satellites) may have been affected; and worth collating/checking?

Feb 24, 2016
Hi CapS! :)

Since you downvoted my above post without comment, I thought I'd take this opportunity to address you directly just to say....

Glad to see you're still alive, mate. For a while there I thought you may have gone to Oregon for your 'vacation'...and been shot dead by the police there. Glad (sincerely) to see you back, anyway, CapS. So, what were you doing while you were away? When I asked Vietvet he went out of his way to imply it was something he could not let us know about, and made a great mystery of it all. Can you clear up that mystery and tell us what you were up to that Vietvet was so 'hush hush' about? Back tomorrow to check your reply. Thanks. Welcome (sincerely) back, CapS....I actually missed you, you ol' son-of-gun you! Cheers. :)

Feb 24, 2016
Since you downvoted my above post without comment
mostly because you are missing the entire argument point above
there is a big difference between a purpose built system that is designed to make a measurement that will be the size of a freakin' proton vs a communication satellite etc
so your post is not only feeding a troll but allows said idiot to actually justify a circular argument of conspiracist ideation that holds no evidence to support the claim
point being: he has no evidence supporting his POV, but somehow this is evidence that it must be correct?
and been shot dead by the police there
ROTFLMFAO
yeah, you sincerely missed me

i think i would prefer penguin head, myself
made a great mystery of it
maybe because he respects me and knows it was not only irrelevant but no one's business?
he is a friend

EDIT: also still awaiting feedback from a comsat designer to repost

Feb 24, 2016
Hi CapS.:)
mostly because you are missing the entire argument point above
there is a big difference between a purpose built system that is designed to make a measurement that will be the size of a freakin' proton vs a communication satellite etc
Mate, you are missing bschott's point. We all know what LIGOs do/measure. That is NOT what bschott was on about; rather, the possibility of coincidences in other clock/laser systems around the globe/in space, and what THEY would have shown if some disturbance affected them in THEIR operations. It is the possible 'coincidences' of such disturbances in THEIR operation which measures things THEY measure in THEIR way, not LIGO's way/things. Correlation, not comparison. See? :)
ROTFLMFAO
yeah, you sincerely missed me
Strange, but true. :)
maybe because he respects me and knows it was not only irrelevant but no one's business?
Good to have friends. But he said he might have something to tell us 'soon'. Why so 'mysterious'? :)

Feb 24, 2016
you are missing bschott's point
No, i didn't
just because you and he both don't understand what i said or how satellites and communications work in relation to the subject doesn't mean i missed the point

are you also reading all the other posts from matt, Dog, AA_P etc?
tell you what... re-read them and address every part of what they posted, then get back with me on it, ok?
But he said he might have something to tell us 'soon'. Why so 'mysterious'?
1- was he specifically referring to you in the "us" comment or was it a general post to certain other of our friends here?
did you ask him to clarify that one?
it would have been relevant, IMHO

2- it wasn't mysterious, just not relevant or necessary

Feb 24, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

As TehDog, linked, there is a proposal to (in future) deposit a series of atomic clocks along Earth's orbital as an alternative system for detecting gravitatiinal waves. So 'sensitivity' level isn't a problem. :)

BUT in any case, bschott was pondering (current) situation where many clock/laser systems exist around globe/space for many reasons NOT directly to do with detecting grav-waves per se.

bschott suggested THOSE OTHER systems may have been affected BY (not actually measured A) gravitational wave, and shown up as some disturbance in those systems operations (just as they would in proposed clocks system linked by TehDog).

See? bschott is only suggesting we collate disturbances of ANY kind to existing clock/laser systems around globe/space at the time; and check for any pattern of disturbances which 'coincide' with each other and LIGO around the relevant time. That's all.

PS: I just wanted Vietvet to assure me/us all that you were OK. That's all. :)

Feb 24, 2016
As TehDog, linked,... series of atomic clocks along Earth's orbital as an alternative system for detecting gravitatiinal waves. So 'sensitivity' level isn't a problem
of course, there is also a proposal to use existing radio telescopes monitoring pulsars too:
http://www.jpl.na...2016-049

See?
just because you and he both don't understand what i said or how satellites and communications work in relation to the subject doesn't mean i missed the point
I just wanted Vietvet to assure me/us all that you were OK. That's all
Why?
why is it important?
feel free to elaborate on this, as it is very important to comprehending state of mind and more
this will go far as it will either validate or debunk certain predicted diagnosis used in the study... honesty is important

if you feel that you can't do this here, perhaps you should post an additional page on your site?
or e-mail me

Feb 24, 2016
Hi CapS. :)
of course, there is also a proposal to use existing radio telescopes monitoring pulsars too:
So what's your beef with bschott's suggestion re checking existing systems which may have been affected by a grav-wave in a way peculiar to the systems in question even though nott created FOR grav-wave 'detection' per se?
just because you and he both don't understand what i said or how satellites and communications work in relation to the subject doesn't mean i missed the point
Not relevant in the context; because whatever way they 'work' they are subject to disturbances which may be correllated as to time they occurred, REGARDLESS of 'cause' of said disturbances. That was his point.
PS: I just wanted Vietvet to assure me/us all that you were OK. That's all
Why?
why is it important?
It was purely a 'humanity' thing, out of concern for your welfare after your sudden 'disappearance'; not because of any 'important or not' in the scheme of things. :)

Feb 24, 2016
So what's your beef with bschott's suggestion re checking existing systems which may have been affected by a grav-wave

Because it would be like checking whether someone added a drop of water to the pacific ocean by measuring the height of it with a bit of string during a hurricane?

I don't think you appreciate the difference in orders of magnitude in sensitivity we're dealing with, here

Feb 24, 2016
So what's your beef
you know... this has always been an issue between us: your intentional misinterpretations of what is being written... try rereading for comprehension. thanks
Not relevant in the context
i disagree. this is the same problem we have in MOST of our "discussions"
you interpret things based upon your personal bias and thus misunderstand regardless of how clear or concise a comment may be
there is plenty of evidence of this (and not just IMHO, but also from many other posters)
It was purely a 'humanity' thing
was it?
out of concern for your welfare after your sudden 'disappearance'
but this is also a frequent thing, so why now, all the sudden?

IMHO - it doesn't make sense to feel a "loss" (ie: humanity thing), considering
That is why i require honest feedback WRT your emotional and mental status

Feb 24, 2016
PS: Anyhow, CapS, I really have to go now. I'll try to come in again tomorrow. Meanwhile, take it easy and just accept that some people (eg, me) are genuine in my concern for your welfare; and in my use of 'smilies' to indicate no rancor or personal ill will. Cheers till we speak again, mate. Take care. :)

Feb 24, 2016
Because it would be like checking whether someone added a drop of water to the pacific ocean by measuring the height of it with a bit of string during a hurricane?

I don't think you appreciate the difference in orders of magnitude in sensitivity we're dealing with, here
@AA_P
of course, that is mentioned above
this is an issue of seeking validation of belief and being "right" because all of "mainstream physicists and theorists" are wrong and have no evidence supporting MS theories
as noted here
But Mainstream theoretical astrophysics and the accompanying math make up half of the largest section titled "humerously absurd"
http://phys.org/n...rse.html

it's not about anything else except that one person demonstrates that they believe themselves to be superior to the rest

Feb 24, 2016
Meanwhile, take it easy and just accept that some people (eg, me) are genuine in my concern for your welfare; and in my use of 'smilies' to indicate no rancor or personal ill will
1- i never stated you weren't attempting to be genuine or anything else about rancor, or ill will...
please don't start making assumptions, "mate"

2- that still doesn't answer me: i want to know the WHY

especially considering history here and elsewhere

it is IMPORTANT to know as well


Feb 24, 2016
just accept that some people (eg, me) are genuine in my concern for your welfare; and in my use of 'smilies' to indicate no rancor or personal ill will

Beware of smiling snakes. Not that I'm calling you a snake, but you are genuinely something.

Feb 24, 2016
Me;- "Data (and voice these days) transmission is packet based. A packet consists of a series of bytes, each containing a number of bits."

bs;- "The LIGO signal was .2 seconds in duration. That's a 10,000,000 bit disruption if its laser is affected."

You didn't read the link I provided, https://en.wikipe...nication
"The reliability of FSO units has always been a problem for commercial telecommunications. Consistently, studies find too many dropped packets and signal errors over small ranges (400 to 500 meters)."
And https://en.wikipe...nication#Extending_the_useful_distance
[cntd]

Feb 24, 2016
[cntd]
From the LIGO link I posted before,
"After an equivalent of approximately 75 trips down the 4 km length to the far mirrors and back again, the two separate beams leave the arms and recombine at the beam splitter."
This is why no terrestrial comms laser array could possibly register any effect. None have a LOS of 4Km let alone 300Km.
Lastly, a few links covering packet size.
https://en.wikipe...rnet_Mix
Old but relevant https://www.caida...aphs.xml
And a highly technical thread http://stackoverf...nnection

Feb 24, 2016
Now, given all the numbers in those links, explain with some maths how;-

"...coincidences in other clock/laser systems around the globe/in space, and what THEY would have shown if some disturbance affected them in THEIR operations..."

would appear. Take another look at the waveform of the event, it's profile is relevant here.

Feb 25, 2016
...explain with some maths how
@TehDog
WRT bs postings above -
Runrig posted a link in another thread that is very relevant to this particular conversation
it essentially boils down to this

EITHER:
1- research scientists are all incompetent
2- research scientists are all in a conspiracy to deceive you
3- research scientists know something you don't
-potholer54

https://www.youtu...dYvz0VwQ

I loved the vid, which is long, but totally worth it
(if you haven't seen it, take a gander)

it really does define the problem with those who "refute mainstream science" with claims
the actual point of the video.... it doesn't just apply to "atheists", per the title... it is more about being irrational in the face of evidence

Feb 25, 2016
Hi antialias, TehDog, Caps. :)

You still fail to appreciate subtle distinctions: between (LIGO) situation/argument you are basing your objections on, and (A-Clock/Laser-Comm) situations/arguments which bschott (and also mainstream science) are considering.

As I explained, LIGO set-up/readout is an "all or nothing" method which involves lock-in and homodyne/heterodyne feedbacks to produce necessary sensitivity/robustness of the default state of total destructive interference which obtains until a g-wave upsets that default state and laser light hits the detectors because the total interference is no longer happening.

That is a totally different from the clock tick-interval rates/laser bit-separation-rate etc situations which many LIGO-unrelated systems around the world involve. Chalk-Cheese re setups/expectations/readouts; so your assertion that g-wave transient disturbances 'not discernible' in any commercial/scientific/military clock/laser is non-sequitur.

cont...

Feb 25, 2016
...cont

I am trying to be impartial to all 'sides'. To that end, I ask you to consider two links supporting bschott's case:

http://arxiv.org/...01.00996

http://phys.org/n...nal.html

The links demonstrate that clock timing, laser comm (or other E-M signal rate situation such as micro-second pulsars) system 'sensitivity' is not an issue (especially when we consider the military grade systems) since they are NOT the all or nothing setups as in LIGO. The clock/laser don't have to give destructive/constructive interference type of 'readout'; rather they need only show some transient blips/delays in tick/bit/pulse rates. No more; no less. Totally different from LIGO 'demands' and 'expectations' for THEIR all-or-nothing setups/sensitivity/method.

So, less kneejerking based on chalk-cheese cross-over of arguments/expectations/limitations; and more objective constructive consideration of all the subtle distinctions, hey? :)


Feb 25, 2016
You still fail to appreciate subtle distinctions
Uhmm... no, i didn't

please, re-read my last post to @TehDog
As I explained
and if you're not actually going to read the above posts then there really is no reason to actually discuss this with you, is there?

the entire argument from BS =
1- he doesn't believe in MS theory
2- he thinks he is more capable/experienced
3- he doesn't have evidence
so... re-read the post i made to Dog and watch the video linked
thanks
I am trying to be impartial to all 'sides'
then you should be reading the above evidence- especially Dog, Matt, etc

you can't compare purpose built with general purpose, for starters, unless you are aware of the tech (see Dog's post, etc)

but i am repeating myself
again
still

it's not kneejerking
it is EVIDENCE


Feb 25, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

I was intrigued when I came across recent discussion between others/Vietvet re what happened to you. Vietvet implied he knew but not at liberty to say. When I read that, I too became concerned over your apparent 'disappearance'; which Vietvet implied knew about but chose not to allay concerns. I then made my own concerns known: I asked Vietvet if you by any chance had gone to Oregon? He still declined to allay humane concerns over your 'disappearance' so suddenly and without the usual heads-up (that you would be traveling/otherwise engaged etc). I then asked if Vietvet, even if he couldn't say whether or not you had gone to Oregon, could at least tell us you were OK and merely busy with life/work matters, so that we all could be assured you were OK and wish you well in your life/work matters. :)

My record shows I hold no grudges/ill will. I only respond in self-defense if attacked/misrepresented.

It's NEW YEAR of discovery, reconciliation. A 'refresh' year. :)

Feb 25, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Did you catch my "cont..." before responding? If you didn't, that would explain why you still fail to see the subtle distinctions missed by the arguments against bschott's suggestion. Read the two links I provided before again commenting. Thanks. :)
the entire argument from BS =
1- he doesn't believe in MS theory
2- he thinks he is more capable/experienced
3- he doesn't have evidence
Being impartial in the discussion, I make no judgements about a person's 'motives', only the science comments made and possible merits/otherwise of same. I suggest you drop the 'personal history/motives' angle and just address the science points scientifically.
you can't compare purpose built with general purpose, for starters, unless you are aware of the tech (see Dog's post, etc)
Mate, read back and see where I made clear that...
Correlation, not comparison. See? :)
So you are kneejerking from your own missings/constructions rather than what bschott/I saying. :)

Feb 25, 2016
Did you catch my "cont..." before responding?
did you catch my "if you're not actually going to read the above posts then there really is no reason to actually discuss this with you, is there"??
Being impartial in the discussion, I make no judgements about a person's 'motives
being scientifically literate and able to think critically, i CAN judge the fact that there is NO evidence supporting the poster's claims, so it makes me consider his motives: hence the three questions and link above
I suggest you drop the 'personal history/motives' angle and just address the science points scientifically
after you!
i won't even bother to ask bs as that would require "evidence"
read back and see where I ...
you mean like you've read over all the evidence??
like where you actually address Matt/AA_P/Dog's points??
Oh, wait... LMFAO!
silly me!

and that is NOT "kneejerking" or my "missings/constructions"
you've NOT read the evidence

Feb 25, 2016
I was intrigued when I came across recent discussion between others/Vietvet re what happened to you
WHY????
I asked Vietvet if you by any chance had gone to Oregon?
what makes you think i don't live there? And why Oregon, of all the states? especially when i prefer the wild untamed.. like Alaska?
fishing? LOL
My record shows I hold no grudges/ill will
didn't say you did
I only respond in self-defense if attacked/misrepresented
OR when proven wrong... forgot that one
you don't like to admit that one either...
i don't know why... it's like saying you never take a sh*t...
It's NEW YEAR of discovery, reconciliation. A 'refresh' year
i am still waiting for the results of past promises, so is this a way of saying you aint gonna deliver on them????

..... if we actually go by historical behaviour...
Hmm?

Feb 25, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Mate, take it easy; we not getting any younger; life too short for perpetuating past animosities/misunderstandings. :)

Because I did read properly, I could point out where miscommunication is arising because you not reading/comprehending the subtle distinctions involved.

I explained that while other unrelated clock/laser devices may NOT have been 'specifically designed FOR g-wave detection', they nevertheless could be checked for indications that something might have transiently affected them around globe/space which coincided with LIGO 'event'. Got that ok? :)

And what "evidence" are you demanding?

bschott merely suggested a *proposed line of research* (which mainstream also pursuing/proposing in various ways: read the two links in my last-but-one post).

Evidence will be found/not found ONLY IF his suggestion to LOOK for it is taken up. Got that ok? :)

And again, A-clocks/Laser-comm systems not same LIGO 'sensitivity/effects' requirements. ok? :)

Feb 25, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Re your recent absence: I was naturally concerned when I read initial discussion between others/Vietvet re your sudden unforeshadowed absence. In the past you have given indication you may be traveling etc etc and would not be posting. In this instance you gave no such indication, so naturally people were curious as to what happened to you. On my part, I became not only curious but also concerned that something untoward may have happened to you (I even had thoughts that you may have got involved in that Oregon Occupation incident in some way, and had been hurt or whatever). I asked Vietvet to confirm at least you hadn't gone to Oregon (I knew from your past posts that you lived in Eastern/SouthEastern/Gulf states, nowhere near Oregon). When Vietvet wouldn't say anything to allay my concern, I naturally assumed something untoward may have happened to you which he was not at liberty to discuss publicly. Believe or not, I was worried for you, a fellow PO member. :)

Feb 25, 2016
take it easy
i am uber chilled with a healthy sexual afterglow and a pint, bub
life too short for perpetuating past animosities/misunderstandings
character and reliability, right along with reputability of source all rely upon past performance: if you have a history of being a crackpot, you sure can't just ask everyone to forget it and assume you will never post anything outrageous again
you will be checked and unless you can provide evidence supporting a claim... well, you get the point, right?
this is critical thinking 101, bubba... right up there with always use source material
it is also one of the criteria for establishing credibility (and not just for court, mind you)

so... if you post something that can be validated, then i am always willing to accept evidence with reputable source material...
but simply making a claim?
with no evidence?
and without actually reading the evidence above and responding to said points?

really?
... you should know me better

Feb 25, 2016
@rc
And what "evidence" are you demanding?
you know... that comment right there is proof you are not reading the above, cavalry boy! so whe you say
Because I did read properly, I could point out where miscommunication is arising
while entirely missing posts that presented evidence that you are ignoring...
you really should know me better than that, sam! shame on you
bschott merely suggested a *proposed line of research*
you are not reading the same posts I did then... or did you miss this gem
Amazing that with all the tech on earth and in orbit MORE sensitive to motion than LIGO, it was the only thing to react
i know i didn't "misinterpret" that... nor did Matt, AA_P or Dog...
wanna re-read the above again, for clarity this time?
'cause that was an intentional slam, especially considering the beginning of the post-which was
Science is just fine. As long as you ignore the untestable
maybe you should start over?

Feb 25, 2016
Re your recent absence: I was naturally concerned when I read initial discussion between others/Vietvet re your sudden unforeshadowed absence
but you still aren't saying why... and it is important for the study
quit re-explaining the situation and WHAT happened... i already know that part
to get a more accurate diagnosis, you wouldn't re-tell the doctor that you got hurt. because the method of injury would suggest to the doc probable cause and testing that might not happen without justification.
so: WHY?
I knew from your past posts that you lived in Eastern/SouthEastern/Gulf states
actually, no i don't... i lived there in my youth, but not now. sorry
Believe or not, I was worried for you
i really appreciate the concern... but i really would like to have an honest WHY
as i said: it would help the study
TIA

Feb 25, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

I ignore the usual argy-bargy 'noise' from both 'sides'. I just pick out any interesting scientific points to impartially consider/comment on. Which is why I ignored the 'noise' coming not only from bschott but also from others, and just concentrated on the points raised and the suggestion raised by bschott which is not altogether out of step with the mainstream suggestions now being proposed/pursued variously: again, did you read the two links I posted for you?...they should be taken as a general guide as to the possible suitable clock/laser/pulsar 'sensitivities/processes' (different from LIGO setup/requirements) involved which may make them useful 'alternative indicators' systems to detect transient disturbances from g-waves (or other causes) which may be correlated as to timing with any LIGO 'event' timing. That's all that I am interested in. All the argy-bargy 'noise' is just that, noise, and dismissed in order to concentrate on the science involved. :)

Feb 25, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Are you saying you live in/near Oregon? If so, my mistake; I gathered form past posts that you were still living at the other end of the country!

So, were you involved in that Oregon Occupation incident in any way?

I was just worried you might be, because of your 'live free or die' approach re gun ownership and other 'rights' which you feel your US constitution gives you and you will protect and fight for etc etc. That is my impression of you gained over past posts from you in discussions on those issues. I had visions of you being either for/against whatever was happening out in Oregon; and that you may have been hurt or caught up legally somehow in it all. Glad to see you back and alright, mate! :)

WHY I was worried? What can I say? I'm like that; I don't hold grudges; I have concern for my neighbor and my fellow human beings. It came naturally to me to be first curious, then concerned, when Vietvet could not say anything that would allay that concern. :)

Feb 25, 2016
Can't stay any longer today. Will be back tomorrow/next day if I can. Cheers. all. :)

Feb 25, 2016
I ignore the usual argy-bargy 'noise' from both 'sides'. I just pick out any interesting scientific points to impartially consider/comment on
i know that! h*ll, i SAID as much!LOL that is why i kept repeating "if you're not actually going to read the above posts then there really is no reason to actually discuss this with you, is there"??
just concentrated on the points raised
except that the points were not in context... context is important, you know
random selection of a point and regurgitation of facts surrounding it are irrelevant... and as for your Pulsar link, i posted that yesterday
All the argy-bargy 'noise' is just that, noise
no, it isn't
it is context
for starters: bs claimed that all our space comsat's should have registered the wave

...which was the POINT of the above conversation, BTW... before you got confused, that is
See also Matt, AA_P, Dog, etc
that "noise" was the refute of bs, which was based on evidence, not talk

Feb 25, 2016
Are you saying you live in/near Oregon?
NOPE. i HAVE lived there in the past. but that is irrelevant... and fishing won't help. i can send you my physical address and you still wouldn't be able to get within 15 miles of my house (and that is assuming you get the correct MAP... most of them show my location 30plus miles away from actual location- and not always in the state i am in! even my IP is dynamic, and shows me in states i am nowhere near! LOL)
So, were you involved in that Oregon Occupation incident in any way?
NOPE
in fact, i don't even know what you are talking about. we don't get TV or radio here: the hollow is too deep and bounces radio over us. we even have to pipe our SW transmitter to a tower for internet

Feb 26, 2016
I was just worried you might be, because of your 'live free or die' approach re gun ownership and other 'rights' which you feel your US constitution gives you and you will protect and fight for etc etc.
doesn't mean i will be STUPID... don't ever forget that part
you may have been hurt or caught up legally somehow
LMFAO you forget about my experiences? LMFAO

it still is not rational BTW... even if you don't hold grudges, you can't rationally state some sympathetic link when you actually don't know anything about me

vietvet? sapo? Thermo? Rug? AA_P? Axe? QStar? Maggnus? Anon9001? ...they know a-plenty 'nuff big chief news data! LMFAO

but you really don't know anything except what i intentionally write here, which is not a true representation of me
it lacks (ready for this?) context
Kinda like the above... context is important

Feb 26, 2016
@RC

The first mention of Captain Stumpy's inactivity on PO was a gloating claim by Bennie or bscott,
I don't remember which, they're both jerks, that he had been banned. That claim bogus claim was repeated with glee. I responded, and this is verbatim: "It's all about priorities. Dealing with cranks and jerks isn't very important to Captain Stumpy right now."

I'll take me a while but I'll find the threads and link to them.

Feb 26, 2016
Hi Vietvet. :)

Thanks for that. All I recall is, I came in one day and saw your response to whomever raised CapS' sudden and unexplained/continuing absence. When I asked if he'd gone to Oregon, I just wanted to know he didn't, and was ok. When you didn't say anything about him being ok, I naturally became even more concerned for his wellbeing. I just wanted you to assure me that he was just absent for personal life/work matters, regarding which I just wanted to wish him well. Lack of any assurances from you about him being ok only increased my concern. I still can't figure out why you didn't just assure me there was nothing untoward about his absence because he was just busy on private business. That's all I was wanting. I know it may seem strange to some, but I am like that. Just because someone has been at odds with me it doesn't follow I hold personal grudges or ill will against them. I even made reinforcing that attitude one of my NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS. Cheers. :)

Feb 26, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Yes, I read the posts; then I just ignored/dismissed any personal argy-bargy 'noise' and addressed the science bits. Just because I dismiss the noise doesn't mean I didn't read the posts containing the noise.

So, since you read the links, do you now get the point that their operations are not like LIGO insofar as sensitivity/readouts are concerned? Also, that mainstream are also considering/pursuing many 'alternative' methods for g-wave detection using A-clocks/Laser-comm systems in space and around globe? So sensitivity/precision in those alternative systems is not an issue, because they are not just all-or-nothing signal like in LIGO, but have continuity-rates 'signal/tick stream' parameters which may be transiently interrupted and may be discerned if looked at to identify any coincidences pattern which may correlate (not compare!) with the timing of any LIGO 'event'.

bschott's suggestion is not so out of order when mainstream are considering similarly. :)

Feb 26, 2016
Hi again, CapS. :)

I wasn't 'fishing' for anything, mate. I don't know your address, nor do I want to. I don't stalk people like some here have done in the past. That should be obvious because I have no idea where you live except for a general out-of-date impression I had based on what your past posts informed everyone as to where you live(d). I'm not interested in personal issues or person's affairs/information, even after much provocation from certain others who didn't have that same compunction. :)

As for you not having radio/TV reception and unaware of that Oregon Occupation incident going on while you were absent, it is difficult for me to accept that you, with INTERNET access which makes posting on PO possible, didn't have access to the ON-LINE news sites which were full of that incident at the time, especially when that poor sod got himself shot dead after a vehicular pursuit.

Anyway, I trust we can now move on in this NEW YEAR of discovery/reconciliation. Cheers. :)

Mar 05, 2016
So, since you read the links, do you now get the point that their operations are not like LIGO insofar as sensitivity/readouts are concerned?
@rc
man... just READ the freakin posts above... it will take 10 minutes
I don't know your address, nor do I want to
woulnd't do you any good if you did... the maps that show it point nowhere near where i live
past posts informed everyone as to where you live(d)
i've lived all over the world. literally
it is difficult for me to accept that you, with INTERNET
1- i do NOT read the news. only when the wife points out something specific or it's on Sapo's ... period

2- i follow SCIENCE, not politics, religion etc

3- i intentionally ignore local/regional/national/world news

4- the closest i come to "news" is the weather (noaa, Wunderground), which is very important to me

its not that i am apathetic to the world, it's just that i don't care

Mar 05, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

You don't care about what's happening in the world? That's what apathy means. :)

Your wife is 'gatekeeper' determining what news about your country and its happenings you get? Interesting 'system' for one who claims to be well informed when challenging others. Your choice, though. Good luck with that.

You've stalked others (including me) over the internet to find out where they lived; and you made mistakes leading to you making threats against innocent bystanders. Now you boast about how you 'cover your tracks' to hide your identity? Why? I haven't stalked you. So your own stalking to identify others/their address etc makes your 'hiding and boasting' more than a little hypocritical.

CapS, try asap to start afresh in this NEW YEAR of discovery and reconciliation; instead of continuing along the same old ego-tripping frequently uninformed/incorrect/hypocritical path you have been on for far too long than is healthy for you/your objectivity/psyche. Cheers. :)


Mar 05, 2016
You don't care about what's happening in the world? That's what apathy means
look up the word: hyperbole
then look up the word: Humour
Your wife is 'gatekeeper' determining what news about your country and its happenings you get?
nope
i follow what i deem important: SCIENCE, SAILBOATS, KNIVES..around my house that is called MAN-porn (even by my grandkids)
and i don't claim to be well informed unless it is a subject in SCIENCE SAILBOATS OR KNIVES
you should learn to read, rc... your literacy skills are failing
You've stalked others (including me)
proving you are a liar is not the same thing as stalking
if you could prove i stalked you, you could file a complaint and take me to court, which i would suggest you do
of course, that also opens you to further counter-litigation as well... which would make everything you have open to subpoena and review by professionals

by all means, if you want to, GO FOR IT
just like i told beni-kam

Mar 05, 2016
Now you boast about how you 'cover your tracks' to hide your identity? Why?
are you stupid? I AM NOT ANONYMOUS...
and i am not the one who put my address miles from my home
that was 911A, moron! i have NO control over that LOL

and just because the idiot gkam said i was "hiding and stalking" doesn't make it true... do you NEVER do ANY HOMEWORK and at least attempt to validate a claim? you take everything as legit? LOL

THAT IS PART OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD, by the way...

the rest of your post is all CRAP and based upon a delusion

i don't ask for anything but evidence that can be validated... and i don't care if you are Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson - if YOU MAKE A CLAIM that is WRONG or against the scientific evidence, then i will make a stand against your comment

which is why we've always fought in the past, BTW

Mar 06, 2016
CapS. You tried all those diversionary tactics in previous years. It didn't work then; it doesn't work now in this new year. Give it up and just learn from past mistakes and change character from disruptive to constructive in this new year of discovery and reconciliation. The world of science and humanity cannot any longer afford such self indulgence. Move on into a new year and leave the old years behind where they belong. You're smart; use those smarts for good instead of personal animosity and twisting everything to fit your personal ego agendas. Let it go, mate.

Mar 06, 2016
You tried all those diversionary tactics
so... requesting evidence to support your claims is a diversionary tactic?
wow...

at least now i can just ignore you and report all your BS, right?
since you can't actually provide EVIDENCE ...

PS - i never changed, nor will i allow you to continue to post false claims or something that can't be backed by evidence
if you had evidence, you could actually put it here to prove yourself
you never had it, you likely will not, because, like gkam, you want to argue from authority (whether you are correct or not)

and i will continue to remind people WHY you got banned from other sites... for exactly what you are trying here: baiting, trolling, pseudoscience and lies

you know... like when you got tossed TWICE (realitycheck AND undefined) and then several times more as a SOCK trying to cry foul about being a troll?

http://www.scifor...banlist/


Mar 07, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

The record shows I have been correct on the science and you and other self-appointed science defenders wrong to troll me and my posts. Also, my internet experiments vindicated me by proving beyond all doubt the long-admitted moderator-troll collusions which abused site rules and scientific discourse in order to frame me for banning. That has also been on the record long since. Give up your past half-truth and outright misrepresentations tactics; and move on into this new year of discovery and reconciliation. Don't let your past mistakes rule and ruin your future constructive potential, CapS. Let it go, mate. :)

Mar 08, 2016
The record shows I have been correct on the science
@rcTROLL
if you could actually prove this, you would have been linking that evidence all over POn(and gloating about it)... and since you are NOT linking it, we can conclude you are full of sh*t
IOW- your argument is thus:
I am correct, and i can prove i am correct becuase i said it.
See here, i just said it and thus, you can't prove me wrong because i must be right ... i can repeat it and prove i'm right because i just said i was right. SEE right there! i said i was right, therefore you are wrong and by extrapolation i must be correct, thus i won, because i said i was right.

TL;DR the rest of the above crap

Science is about evidence
to date, you've given none
the above only demonstrates that you have NO EVIDENCE

it aint rocket surgery!

Mar 08, 2016
CapS. Why should I gloat? Whenever you/others start trolling me and my posts, all I have to do is remind you/others of the past recorded fact that I was proven correct and you/others wrong. That is the best way to counter your/others off-topic personal attacks and trolls which waste everybody's time and disrupt the on-topic science discourse. Give it up, CapS. Let it go, mate. :)

PS: How about commenting on-topic about the science reported in the above article, CapS? If you have no on-topic comment regarding that article, then please leave the thread to others who may have but may be put off doing so because of all your personal 'noise' posts. Thanks. :)

Mar 11, 2016
Why should I gloat?
@lyingPOSrc
because you would FINALLY be able to actually prove something with evidence?
remind you/others of the past recorded fact that I was proven correct
then why can't you actually LINK EVIDENCE here?
LMFAO

IF you have evidence then it should be easy enough for you to validate your claim and link that evidence here and show:
1- the 4 fatal flaws
2- 4 other flaws
3- and that "you won" that argument - which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know

:-)
but you don't, so we see you are a chronic liar!

the ONLY reason you keep bot-posting the exact same thing is because you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no evidence and that i was correct

this is why:
-you got booted from Sciforums - TWICE
-they wouldn't let you back in with your multiple SOCKS
-you got heaved from Sapo's
-you are considered a trolling backwards lying POS here

Mar 11, 2016
Hush, child.

Mar 11, 2016
Hush, child.
@unrealityPOS
as soon as you post your EVIDENCE of the 4 fatal flaws and 4 other flaws you claimed to have spotted immediately

what i wonder is: if it is SO obvious, and it is clearly something you can prove, why have you posted more than 2000 posts without ever posting the flaws, ever posting any links to evidence or making even a single claim that can be corroborated with links/evidence here on PO?

you keep saying you "won that argument".... where is the evidence you claim is in black and white everywhere?

why can't you link any?

LMFAO

maybe because IT AINT THERE?

Mar 11, 2016
Hush, child.

Mar 11, 2016
Hush, child.
@geriatric alzheimers check
so, what you are saying is: "YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE"

thanks for proving my point and showing everyone here that you can't substantiate your claims with evidence
(you can't even prove your claims about being right in past posts!)

LMFAO

Mar 11, 2016
It's all there. Has been for years. Even of late too. Just because you make an art form out of missing and denying to your heart's content in order to justify to your mega-ego your continued childish noise and bot/troll-gang-voting silliness, it's not my problem. It's your problem, child. Hush.

Mar 11, 2016
It's all there. Has been for years.
@chronicLYINGgeriatricCHECK
then why can't you prove it?
why can't you actually link something that validates your claims?
(because not only does it not exist, but because it proves you a chronic liar!)
Just because you make an art form out of missing and denying to your heart's content in order to justify to your mega-ego
well then... as you well know, there is only one way to stop this:

you must crush my ego and hurt me with all that evidence you claim exists!
that is the only thing that will stop me from pointing out your lies

otherwise you prove that you're a chronic liar and can't supply proof or evidence to validate your claim

it aint rocket surgery, it's logic

the reason you refuse to link evidence is because there is NO evidence to link

that's why you keep going back to just CLAIMING it exists while not linking it

claiming it exist don't make it real any more than standing in a garage makes you Ricky Martin

Mar 11, 2016
You're losing it again, CapS. Watch your blood pressure and your tongue. I don't want to "crush" anybody. The record is there for all to see who want to see. That obviously does not include you or your gang of bot-voting angry childish denialists. You've lost all credibility because of downvoting even science-correct posts just because of your spleen and stupidity in the face of being shown wrong all too often over the years and recently too. Now, you've made your noise posts quota for the day, child. Hush now.

Mar 11, 2016
The record is there for all to see who want to see
@LIARrc
so you keep saying... so if it is there, why can't you prove it and link it?

i will tell you why: because you're a liar

this is the whole point of my argument and request for you to prove your statement

i don't care about your feelings... i only care about what can be proven
you can't actually substantiate your claims with any evidence, thus it is a FALSE CLAIM, and this means, be definition, it is a LIE

every time you refuse to link the evidence you validate my claim that you are a chronic liar

it doesn't matter how many times you say "there record is there for all to see" because the only record that matters is what can be proven and validated

so i will say it again:

because you CAN'T actually link evidence, this proves you are a chronic lying pseudoscience troll poster

PERIOD

Mar 12, 2016
Been there done that too many times. You just keep on lying and denying. Other genuine observers over the last few years know the proven record. No need for rehash. It's a waste of time with a lying screaming bot-voting specimen troll like you. Now hush, child.

Mar 12, 2016
Been there done that too many times
@POS liar-rc
is that why you can't even prove it ONCE?
LMFAO
keep on lying and denying
you can't prove this, either LOL
No need for rehash
you can't "RE"hash something that hasn't been actually "hashed" to begin with

and not only can you NOT PROVE you "hashed this out"... you can't even prove this was REHASHED because that would mean proving evidence was given supporting your claim!
LMFAO

and again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are a chronic liar, troll and that you have no credibility

no evidence, no cred's=chronic liar

it is why you were banned from SciForum and Sapo, it is why you will never publish in a peer reviewed journal

i can provide evidence of your lies, from your "cavalry" gonna save us all to more...

you can't actually provide anything but a FALSE CLAIM
(AKA - LIE)

thanks for validating my claim ONCE AGAIN!

:-)

Mar 12, 2016
Whatever you say, child. We all heard your rant the first umpteen times. Now hush your noise and stop cluttering up threads and annoying the forum. Go be "professional" somewhere else where your kind of "professional" behavior in internet stalking, bot-voting, lying and denying is appreciated, CapS.

Mar 12, 2016
@POS ToE-jam & lying trolling geriatric with no sense of reality
We all heard...
then why aren't you posting the EVIDENCE you claim to have? where is the links/references and proof of your "win" and "BICEP 4 fatal flaws"

no evidence = no credibility = chronic liar

.

and THANKS because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are a chronic liar, troll and that you have no credibility

no evidence = no credibility = chronic liar

it is why you were banned from SciForum and Sapo

it is why you will never publish in a peer reviewed journal

i can provide evidence of your lies, you can't even provide evidence that you were telling the truth!

you can't actually provide anything but a FALSE CLAIM
(AKA - LIE)

thanks for validating my claim ONCE AGAIN!

:-)

Mar 12, 2016
Hush now. Dream on, "professional" child.

Mar 12, 2016
you can't find evidence, so now you will do what the rest of pseudoscience idiots do:simply keep repeating until you get the last word?
LMFAO
Hush
@Still-can't-find-evidence-or-reality

Sure, as soon as you can produce the evidence supporting your claims of 4 fatal flaws in BICEP as well as the proof that you have posted this in the past "proving" yourself!

until then:
no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = pseudoscience idiot

.

and THANKS
because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are a chronic liar, you have no evidence, you're troll and that you have no credibility

:-P

Mar 12, 2016
Hush, child.

Mar 12, 2016
@sam-you-am-a-LIAR
TL;DR
reported for baiting, trolling, spamming, and crossposting

also note:

no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = pseudoscience idiot

.

and THANKS
because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, in your own words and publicly in black and white, that you are a chronic liar, you have no evidence, you're troll and that you have no credibility

:-P

Mar 12, 2016
CapS, concentrate on the on-topic science discussion. Any on-topic science comments in the context of the discussion on same? Thanks.

Mar 12, 2016
concentrate on the on-topic science discussion
@pseudoscience sam
i was trying until you started posting Feb 24
that is when you derailed the thread into pseudoscience and false claims

there is ONE valid point i kept repeating though, that you should remember:
there are different levels of evidence... and when you make a claim that can't be substantiated, it is NOT SCIENCE, it is pseudoscience or a false claim (AKA- lie)

This is cogent because of the initial discussion re: LIGO

NOW - if you would have read the initial posts instead of commenting out of context, you would have learned that

this is a serious ongoing problem with you as well... this and hypocrisy
you want people to take things in context, then you should also consider context

you want to stay on topic, STOP DERAILING THREADS with claims that can't be substantiated or proven with links or evidence

Mar 12, 2016
Feel better now, mate? Can we all now concentrate on the on-topic science discussion. Any on-topic science comments in the context of the discussion on same? Thanks.

Mar 12, 2016
Feel better now, mate? Can we all now concentrate on the on-topic science discussion. Any on-topic science comments in the context of the discussion on same? Thanks.
@pseudoscience sam
that was on topic


Mar 13, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Just putting the word "LIGO" in that didn't make it on-topic, since it was all about your opinion of me and what I allegedly am/did. Your posts addressed others as TROLLS etc. My first on-topic post was regarding bschott's perfectly reasonable scientific suggestion re alternative systems for gleaning corroborative indications of timing/coincident 'events' at time of a-LIGO 'event'. My second on-topic post was to antialias in response to his. When you bot-voted that your usual '1' I realized you were returned from your long sudden absence, so I took the opportunity to note that and welcome you back after we were all concerned about what had happened to you. It all went troppo when you insisted on calling others TROLL etc and making it personal while ignoring bachott's suggestion was valid and similar to what mainstream are also considering for alternative corroboration systems to complement LIGO efforts.

Now, any substantive on-topic comments? Thanks. :)

Mar 13, 2016
didn't make it on-topic
@idiot illiterate out of context troll

1- context is important. learn to read
apparently you still fail at that simple task

2- Feel better now, mate? Can we all now concentrate on the on-topic science discussion. Any on-topic science comments in the context of the discussion on same? Thanks [RealityCheck 20160312]

3- TL;DR
OT and not LIGO or related to your link *or* substantiated by evidence (ie- false claim)
reported


Mar 13, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Your 'context' was an 'personal off-topic' context; so your 'personal on-topic' posts in 'personal off-topic context' makes those posts 'personal off-topic' still. I was on-topic with the science suggestion by bschott. Mainstream also considering such suggestions seriously. Your personal opinion is neither here nor there in that mainstream science context wherein mainstream considering similar alternative avenues as suggested by bschott's. Your refusal to acknowledge that self-evident fact makes your continued denial of same appear personal off-topic, not scientific on-topic.

Please stick to on-topic science discussion and eschew further off-topic personal denials/insults etc. Thanks. :)

PS: Your 'TL;DR', 'Troll', 'Reported' tactics demonstrate you think 1000 character texts Too Long and Don't Read them. That says you ignore, deny and default to mindless '1' downvoting while making a nuisance of yourself with 'reports' to PO Admin. Give it a rest, CapS. :)

Mar 13, 2016
H
@still can't read troll

1- context is important. learn to read
apparently you still fail at that simple task

2- you should actually read your own words
Feel better now, mate? Can we all now concentrate on the on-topic science discussion. Any on-topic science comments in the context of the discussion on same? Thanks
[RealityCheck 20160312]

3- TL;DR
OT
and not LIGO
*or* related to your link
*or* substantiated by evidence (ie- false claim - see this link for details: http://www.auburn...ion.html )

reported

Mar 13, 2016
Feel better now, mate? Any on-topic science comments? Thanks.

PS: Your 'TL;DR', 'Troll', 'Reported' tactics demonstrate you think 1000 character texts Too Long and Don't Read them. That says you ignore, deny and default to mindless '1' downvoting while making a nuisance of yourself with 'reports' to PO Admin. Give it a rest, CapS. :)

Mar 13, 2016
Feel better now, mate?
@illiterateSAM
yep
but i felt great before too... so there really is no change
Any on-topic science comments?
already gave them... you just keep ignoring them (see above)

feel free to actually address them when you learn to read!

they are till above in black and white (again, see above)

Thanks
Thanks
you're welcome
demonstrate you think 1000 character texts Too Long and Don't Read them
no, just that you tend to be repetitious and you aren't actually addressing any science, therefore it is pointless to read it

case in point... 90% of your above posts
mindless '1' downvoting
as opposed to your mindless trolling pseudoscience?
LMFAO

Mar 13, 2016
@pseudoscienceSAM the illiterate cont'd
demonstrate ...blah blah bullsh*t blah ... making a nuisance of yourself
hypocrite

how many posts have you posted saying not to post personal sh*t while posting personal sh*t to explain why we shouldn't be posting personal sh*t or to support your personal sh*t while defending a personal opinion that IS sh*t because it has no evidence while ignoring the science that you are sh*tting on?

worse still
look above!
you "demonstrate you think 1000 character texts Too Long and Don't Read them" by ignoring the context and discussion to pop off with your personal opinion about something you didn't understand while attempting to tell us what to think and be like you

then you "you ignore, deny and default to mindless" posts sans evidence or content which is "making a nuisance of yourself"

LMFAO

context is important. learn to read
apparently you still fail at that simple task
LOL

Mar 13, 2016
Take it easy, mate; watch your blood pressure. Your TL;DR etc tactics make the point about who is doing what. No more comment from me needed. Chill. Any FURTHER on-topic science comments to offer the thread? Hopefully without the usual gratuitous TL;DR and "troll" addressing etc off-topic and personal/insulting tactics? Thanks.

Mar 13, 2016
Tak
@illiterateSammie
TL;DR
OT and not LIGO
*or* related to your link
*or* substantiated by evidence (ie- false claim - see this link for details: http://www.auburn...ion.html )

reported

Mar 13, 2016
CapS. So, you had no FURTHER on-topic comments? Ok.

Allow me, then: Do you now understand that what bschott suggested was not out of line; because mainstream is also considering alternative indicators/experiments along similar lines, as the links about 'alternative' methods/experiments made clear? Thanks. :)

Mar 14, 2016
Do you now understand that what bschott suggested was
@sam still can't read troll
i will say it once more, because you seem to either be insanely stupid, intentionally willfully stupid, or genuinely ignorant and just refusing to read the above conversations between bs, myself and the others... or is it laziness?

if you're not going to read the initial conversations and actually try to understand the whole conversation, context etc... then STFU and go away or go find another idiot to troll, because i am going to continue to point out that you are being stupid

context is important. learn to read
apparently you still fail at that simple task

I don't care how lazy you want to be, but at this point, you are simply trolling and baiting into a fight

do i need to really keep telling you this?

Mar 14, 2016
Don't be like that, CapS. I only asked if you now understood what I said about bschott's suggestion not being beyond the pale science wise, in view of those referenced mainstream alternatives in a similar vein being considered. Just your yes/no---OR---a recap of what you found wrong with it, would have sufficed. No need to go ballistic on me for asking. If you don't want to answer either of those two ways, then don't answer at all; and I'll assume you don't want to say any more than you have already, and we'll leave it at that. Whatever works for you. Thanks.

Mar 14, 2016
I only asked if you now understood what I said about bschott's suggestion
@still-being-an-illiterate-dumbass-sam
you know, if you actually READ the posts above you would have your answer, you know

i will say it once more, because you seem to either be insanely stupid, intentionally willfully stupid, or genuinely ignorant and just refusing to read the above conversations between bs, myself and the others...

if you're not going to read the initial conversations and actually try to understand the whole conversation, context etc... then STFU and go away or go find another idiot to troll, because i am going to continue to point out that you are being stupid

context is important. learn to read
apparently you still fail at that simple task
No need to go ballistic on me for asking
YES, there is, because it's been answered

why is this so hard for you to comprehend?


Mar 14, 2016
If you don't want to answer either of those two ways, then don't answer at all
@idiot-sam
this right here is the reason you are ridiculed so often
you want everyone to obey your rules, but you are hypocritically never able to obey simple rules yourself, including such common decency rules of communication like:
READING THE F-ing POSTS

you don't care about anything other than getting attention

how pathetic is your real life that your highlight is to come to PO and be ridiculed because you can't actually take a few seconds to READ A POST and understand what is going on before commenting?

you want to know the answer to the above "if you now understood what I said"??

question is, will you actually read it now, even though it is already above?

context is important. learn to read

Mar 14, 2016
Ok, mate. We'll leave it at that. Thanks.

Good luck, good thinking and good discoursing in science, to you and everyone, CapS. Cheers.

Mar 14, 2016
Ok, mate. We'll leave it at that. Thanks
@rc
you're welcome
Good luck, good thinking and good discoursing in science, to you and everyone, CapS. Cheers.
so....wait...
does that mean you aren't going to actually read the above conversation so we can talk the points you missed and ignored?

Mar 14, 2016
I'll leave you with that last word on it. Let's now agree to drop it, leave it there for the sake of the thread/discussion. Good luck. :)

Mar 14, 2016
I'll leave you with that last word on it
@rc
Well thanks!
Let's now agree to drop it, leave it there for the sake of the thread/discussion
right!
dropping.... what?
on which part, the part you didn't read or the part you kept asking about?

just trying to figure out exactly what you're talking about, since you've gone cryptic

does that mean you really aren't going to actually read the above conversation so we can talk the points you missed and ignored?

or is that the part you want to drop and talk about something else?

Mar 14, 2016
@ Captain-Skippy. How you are? I am good and will be home tomorrow. Now I got to stay alert, because I would hate to miss Really-Skippy really letting you (or anybody else) get the last word, ever. Hooyeei, that will be something to see, eh?

But I really suspect he will Really-Skippy skip back in to defend his dishonor to scientists and humans. Last words are really important to the guys that have that Passive-Aggressive mental conditions like his.

Choot, got to run, he just postumed on the other article and I got to do my diligent duty and make sure the real scientists and humans don't have to be distracted with his foolishment if they keep their karma setting at 2.5 or lower.

Mar 15, 2016
Hi Ira. Thanks. Apology accepted.

Hi CapS. Have moved on to other PO items/discussions. Good luck in your future discourses on-science and on-topic.

Mar 15, 2016
@ Really-Skippy. How you are? I am good and just got home a little while ago. Got a few projects to tinker with for the next few day, so life is really, really and maybe one more really good.

Hi Ira. Thanks.
De rien Cher, think nothing of it.

Apology accepted.
That's a relief. Now life is even another really good.

Mar 16, 2016
Have moved on to other PO items/discussions
in other words, you can't answer and refuse to actually read the conversation so that you can actually learn the context and content of the conversation,

...so you will instead go pester others and be a sanctimonious proselytizing troll?

gotcha
thanks for finally admitting that you don't have evidence and can't actually support your claims

it's taken a while, but at least you now can admit to your flaws...

sort of...

.

.

Really-Skippy really letting you (or anybody else) get the last word, ever.
@Ira
well, as you can see... he would never let that happen!
LMFAO

Mar 17, 2016
Hi Ira, CapS. :)

@Ira. Glad to hear everything is hunky dory with you and yours. Stay safe. :)

@ CapS. Moving on from a fruitless exchange is the intelligent man's prerogative. Try it sometime. By the way, I will be posting a long listing of links to Phys1 tomorrow in the Dark Matter thread. Stand ready by your pump until then, mate. Stay safe. :)

Mar 17, 2016
Moving on from a fruitless exchange is the intelligent man's prerogative
@rc
sorry... this is crap
it was "fruitless" because you are stupid and illiterate
you are moving on because you can't actually validate your claims, which is a running trend with you everywhere you post

case in point: above argument

so... how is that "intelligence" or argument from evidence?
you have YET to provide either
I will be posting a long listing of links
... i'll believe it when i see it
Stand ready by your pump until then
is that anything like you standing ready to bring the cavalry to save us all at the next climate change conference?

http://phys.org/n...fic.html

or were you attempting to make a Fire Department joke reference while not comprehending the manpower, jobs or CofC of a Truck (or Engine), it's station or it's personnel??

Only the Engineer needs to stand near the pump, moron

Mar 17, 2016
Hi Phys1. See how the atmosphere has become so poisonous for many years now? How can one 'side' be expected to behave courteously when the other 'side' has only juvenile name-calling, taunts, insults and tactics to 'offer' here.

Since you are a reasonable sort, I will ask you straight: Look at my feedback pages here:

https://sciencex....k/?v=act

Can you tell me how science/humanity is served by someone who downvotes '1' to posts even when I've been correct on science/logic?

The record shows this to be the case for years now. The mentality hasn't grown any more fairminded/reasonable. I tried many times offering olive branches but ego/malice seems to ignore any such offering in order to continue whatever personal nightmares his juvenile ego and unprofessional big mouth has ensnared himself in and apparently cannot extricate himself from.

Compare you two:

You don't downvote me just because we disagree.

He does; and with such venom! Sad. :(

Mar 18, 2016
Can you tell me how science/humanity is served by someone who downvotes '1' to posts even when I've been correct on science/logic?
@rc-LIAR
the scientific method requires you to present evidence for claims, not just proclaim you are correct

therefore, you are downrated because your refusal to actually prove your point, support your claim and b/c you constantly attempt to butt into conversations and proselytize while ignoring content and context
You don't downvote me just because we disagree
He does
i used to give you the benefit of the doubt, but when you started denigrating science without evidence i found out you aren't here for anything other than self aggrandizement and because you got kicked off of every moderated site

i downrate you because you are *wrong* and being stupid - as i have uprated you for being correct

i proved you wrong, and i provide evidence of that

THAT IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS

Mar 18, 2016
@illiterate-rc cont'd
I tried many times offering olive branches but ego/malice cry while blah...
and *again* you are wrong
i will be peaceful when and only when you adopt the mindset of actual science which you attempt to proselytize about
IOW- if you link evidence of your claims and support your conclusions with references, we can all get along fine
Otto said it best here
This is a science site where fact is prized. Ignoring flooding trolls like pussytard and george kamburoff/gkam means that their lies and fabrications can stand unopposed.

Exposing them for what they are is a community service. It's also illuminating for those unfamiliar with psychosis and psychopathy.
http://phys.org/n...tic.html

when you continue to LIE and post pseudoscience or unsubstantiated claims as "reality" then you can only expect scorn and derision

you are refuted and downrated b/c of hypocrisy & failure to comprehend the scientific method

Mar 18, 2016
Demonstrated again above: Implacable ego, denial and dishonesty under the guise of demanding evidence which he has ignored again and again. It's all on the record over the last few years. No need to rehash it all again. Phys1/Forum: I rest my case. Good luck, good thinking and good discussing, all. :)

Mar 18, 2016
under the guise of demanding evidence which he has ignored again and again
@illiterateMORON
what evidence?
you haven't produced ANY evidence of your claims
in fact, you STILL haven't produced the BICEP evidence you claimed you have... nor have you posted the evidence from your above arguments

in fact, the whole reason you are still posting here is to get attention, NOT to prove anything, because you have yet to actually post evidence proving something at all

so, your lying hypocritical illiteracy is demonstrated ONCE AGAIN

LMFAO

Mar 18, 2016
the whole reason you are still posting here is to get attention, NOT to prove anything, because you have yet to actually post evidence proving something at all


@ Captain-Skippy. How you are? I am good as I have a right be. So that experiment he was doing was just yanking our chain? Choot, if he was running a fake experiment on the physorg, I vote for him to get the boot-a-roo for lying to us.

@ Really-Skippy. How you are too? Just dandy me, thanks for asking. Okayeei, Skippy. No more fake experiments from you Cher. We don't have time for you disrupting and disrespecting the humans and scientists. DO/BETTER/DILIGENCE/Matey, Start a new year not like the last year (or the last 10 or 9 years). ::(;;)

Mar 18, 2016
So that experiment he was doing was just yanking our chain?
@Ira
I'm wondering... she tried to do an "experiment" (per her claims) on SciForums too... where she made about 20 sock puppets and tried to get back on the site as a sock puppet but the MODS caught her and locked him out
She called that an "experiment" too... i call it proof that moderation keeps the trolls out!
LMFAO

but since she had so many socks, they deleted them from the ban list - all it has now is the "undefined" and "realitycheck" socks she got BOOTED with
http://www.scifor...?page=34

I vote for him to get the boot-a-roo for lying to us.
Yeah, but the site won't ban her from here
makes people think there are a lot of posters interested, makes them $$

Plus, there are no IP bans, so she would pull a zeph and jump back on as one of her socks

Mar 18, 2016
In garrulous denial/insult mode; and in a childish downvoting gang. What more proof needed, Phys1/Forum?

Mar 18, 2016
In garrulous denial/insult mode; and in a childish downvoting gang. What more proof needed, Phys1/Forum?


I will tell you one thing true Cher. I don't downvote in a gang. I come in here alone, and will leave alone. I decide how I vote, not you, not a gang, not a bots, not a mod, not a mafia. Me all by my self.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. I insult/garrul/deny all by my self too. I don't need any help in that department either.

So no more lying about ol Ira-Skippy. DO/BETTER/DILIGENCE for humans and scientists this NEW year not like last OLD year. (;;)

Mar 18, 2016
Nice try, Ira. :)

But it's backfired, mate. That is why you should stop and reflect more when typing; so you can 'hear yourself' and maybe stop yourself posting it. Eg: You just admitted why you're here:
Oh yeah, I almost forget. I insult/garrul/deny all by my self too. I don't need any help in that department either.
You're also in denial about being in a gang of admitted 'friends' who upvote each other '5' irrespective; and downvote your mutual targets '1' irrespective:
Me all by my self.
Go on, mate, pull the other one! :)

PS: Isn't it time you and your 'friends' grew up and actually did good for science and humanity rather than play juvenile games which make you look and sound too silly for words? Be a good chap. Be nice. Be constructive. Stop the childish downvoting. Be a good objective scientist or be a good courteous human. Either will do. But both would be very nice! Good luck, Ira. :)

Mar 18, 2016
But it's backfired, mate. That is why you should stop and reflect more when typing; so you can 'hear yourself' and maybe stop yourself posting it.
Why is that again?

You just admitted why you're here:
Oh yeah, I almost forget. I insult/garrul/deny all by my self too. I don't need any help in that department either.
Cher, you are slow on the comprehension you. Have I ever pretended anything different? This is a comment section on a news letters. Why is anybody really here? Serious science stuffs gets done in laboratory and schools and conferences and such like.

Stop the childish downvoting.
I don't have time to check with you every time I vote. So it is what it is Cher. If my vote is wrong, it is me being wrong. You just going to have to get over that.

Be a good objective scientist or be a good courteous human. Either will do. But both would be very nice!
I am not a scientist Cher. I am a good human. What you think don't matter to me.

Mar 18, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

Yes, we all knew long ago you were not a scientist. You didn't have to claim otherwise.

And you think that your treating this Science Discussion site as your personal games denial//downvoting/insults 'toilet' is being a good human?

Mar 18, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

Yes, we all knew long ago you were not a scientist. You didn't have to claim otherwise.

And you think that your treating this Science Discussion site as your personal games denial//downvoting/insults 'toilet' is being a good human?

Psst, Really-Skippy, this is me whispering to you Cher. You sure are wasting a lot of your science problems solving letters and spaces and time on me. And looking pretty silly doing it too.

Mar 18, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

Are you implying you are not worth my time engaging you in order to help you be better scientist and human being? Didn't you read my post to others where I said I try not to ignore anybody because one never knows what new and better ideas/effects may come from not ignoring people just because they disagree? You are just as important as anyone, mate. That you said elsewhere that you have learned things here at PO is most gratifying to everyone concerned for the betterment of dialogue in science and humanity. Anyhow, I am already on-line researching, and it doesn't take that much extra time to break and post to you. I am also waiting for more consumables for some of my experiments to be delivered, so I also have some free time from those as well. And it's good to take a break once in a while from all those 'heavy' projects. And no one can look silly if they're helping another person who needs it badly, mate; so don't worry yourself what I 'look' like helping you. :)

Mar 19, 2016
In garrulous denial/insult mode
@illiterate lying POS rc
at least you can now admit what mode you operate in - thanks for admitting it publicly to the forum
I try not to ignore anybody
except for all those relevant posts on the topic of discussion like above, right?

you know, the ones which actually answered your questions, discussed the stupidity you tried to interject with and made you look really stupid to those who can actually read?
LOL

...so much for "I'll leave you with that last word on it" eh? LMFAO

50 posts!
50 posts in this thread alone and not one link to evidence proving ANY science
imagine that

no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = trolling lying POS pseudoscience idiot

and THANKS
because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, in your own words and publicly in black and white, that you are a chronic liar, you have no evidence, you're troll and that you have no credibility

Mar 19, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Language! Tone it down, mate. :)

This is not a 'peer review journal', CapS. It's a discussion site. If you don't want to take my prudent cautions and comments re SOME mainstream science items/claims (which, as the record shows, I have been correct on and you wrong too often to count), then don't take it. I'm not fussed either way. It's about the science related discourse to discuss issues not 'publish papers' here. And it's not about the persons. Ok?

Is that it, now? Can you move on like everyone else is trying to do? Give it a go. It'll help your blood pressure (and hopefully your language). Good luck, mate. :)

Mar 20, 2016
Language!
@gobshite illiterate lying POS rc
you're a vaginal bloodfart
as the record shows, I have been correct on
if you could prove this, you would be able to link evidence
where is it?
AH! that's right!
ya got nothing!

so... where are those 4 fatal flaws you found in BICEP2?
yeah, i thought so, liar-girl
Is that it, now?
NOPE
so long as you continue to be a chronic liar, i will continue to make sure everyone knows it

.

51 posts!
51 posts in this thread alone and not one link to evidence proving ANY science
imagine that

no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = trolling lying POS pseudoscience idiot

and THANKS
because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, in your own words and publicly in black and white, that you are a chronic liar, you have no evidence, you're troll and that you have no credibility

Mar 20, 2016
Language! Ego! Not good, CapS. See to it please. Thanks. :)

Mar 21, 2016
Language!
@POS vaginal bloodfart rc
i prefer to call it accuracy in descriptive labeling of known illiterate trolls
Ego!
nope. i can prove you're stupid and you lie
that isn't ego on my part as i can provide evidence... it is only on your part in that you continue to assert that it isn't true despite the evidence already provided (see above for links/evidence)

so, you can't actually provide evidence and you continue to lie, but you want those of us who prove you wrong to stop proving you wrong?
LMFAO

52 posts in this thread alone and not one link to evidence proving ANY science
imagine that

no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = trolling lying POS pseudoscience idiot

and THANKS
because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, in your own words and publicly in black and white, that you are a chronic liar, you have no evidence, you're troll and that you have no credibility

Mar 21, 2016
CapS. Language! There are young readers here! Cool it, mate. :)

Mar 21, 2016
There are young readers here! Cool it
@POS lying trolling idiot rc
Yeah there are young readers here also trying to learn how to think critically... do you think you've actually taught them any of that?

have you taught any of them:
- how to validate a claim?
NOPE
- how to present evidence for SCIENCE?
NOPE
- how to use the scientific method?
NOPE

so... they've heard far worse in their schools, but you want to admonish everyone else because you can't control us and you can't seem to actually prove your claims...

how is that logical or good for young readers?

at least i am teaching them how to spot PSEUDOSCIENCE liars like you!

no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = trolling lying POS pseudoscience idiot

and THANKS
because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, in your own words and publicly in black and white, that you are a chronic liar, you have no evidence, you're troll and that you have no credibility

Mar 22, 2016
@lying gobshite rc cont'd
young readers
Oh!
i think i just got what you are trying to say!

so long as you watch your language it is OK to:
-make false claims and just SAY you're supported by evidence even if you can't prove or link it, just as long as you say there IS evidence

-forget about the scientific method as long as you can claim you're working on a ToE and you don't want to be plagiarized or have someone steal your idea

-forget all about predictability

-ignore math because you're writing a new ToE/Science/etc

-ignore actual content in a conversation (especially true if you come in to the middle of a conversation and you don't want to read any prior content, but you think you have a great way to interrupt!)

-believe you don't need to be published in a peer reviewed journal and have evidence

-say you will save the world as long as you mean well! ... and no one can prove you weren't trying

is that about it?
did i miss anything?

Mar 22, 2016
CapS. :)

Take it easy, mate. There is enough hatred and poison in the world already. Don't bring even more. Especially not to a science site. Cool it. :)

Mar 22, 2016
There is enough hatred and poison in the world already. Don't bring even more. Especially not to a science site
@insipid retarded illiterate POS trolling rc

there is also plenty of pseudoscience, delusional behavior, D-K, narcissism sociopathic losers and idiocy.... so why are you still posting lies and refusing to post science?

this is your own HYPOCRISY
you want to stop the BS, then start validating your claims and post SCIENCE

you have your own web page filled with pseudoscience, why are you posting your opinion here when it has no basis in reality?
go post it to your own web-page and quit spreading your poo here

you want the kids to learn how to think critically, then stop posting pseudoscience!

so, in your own words

There is enough [pseudoscience] and [stupidity] in the world already. Don't bring even more. Especially not to a science site. Cool it

Mar 22, 2016
CapS. :)

Please tone it down, mate. See if you can leave it at that for the sake of the thread/readers. Thanks.

Mar 22, 2016
See if you can leave it at that for the sake of the thread/readers
@insipid retarded illiterate POS trolling rc
Sure... just stop posting and go away.

I fight against pseudoscience and liars, so... it is an easy fix

i will not post anything after this unless you post something

that good enough?

Mar 22, 2016
Yes. Thanks.

Mar 22, 2016
@insipid retarded illiterate POS trolling rc
really? all you had to do was leave it be. not post!
LMFAO

but you always have to have the last word, don't you?

and you still wonder why you are ridiculed?
( i mean, besides your pseudoscience crap)

so, lets try this again

consider this my absolute last post (unless you just have to have the last word - again)

like i said, just go away. do not post again and i will not

if you post again here, all bets are off

Mar 22, 2016
CapS. You asked me a polite question and I gave a polite "yes" in answer. I also thanked you for that gesture. Nothing more. You had the last word on whatever it was you were on about. You still have the last word on that. Ok? Thanks.

Mar 23, 2016
You asked me a polite question and I gave a polite "yes" in answer
@insipid retarded illiterate POS trolling rc
No, i was answering your post
you said
See if you can leave it at that for the sake of the thread/readers
so i replied
i will not post anything after this unless you post something

that good enough?
but i also know you better than you think, pseudoscience troll-girl

i know you have a pathological problem and because of your need for attention you also feel a need to have the last word

this is directly related to your Dunning-Kruger and failures in life - those same failures are the ones that drive you to make claims like: reality cavalry coming to the rescue ( http://phys.org/n...fic.html ) or your stupidity about the 4 fatal flaws without being able to actually prove yourself

it leads you to make comments without actually knowing the context like above

EPIC FAIL

Apr 08, 2016
Back on-topic and science discussion.

Hi bschott. :)

I see from recent PO articles that mainstream has given further consideration to your suggestion about clocks and communications systems operating at relevant frequencies having 'searchable' data/transmission-string capacities/monitoring/correction records might be useful in finding corroborating 'event' timing/coincidence information which could be compared/correlated with a-LIGO 'events' timings/correlations? Recent suggestion by mainstream is using a network of millisecond-second pulsars to detect any coincidental glitches' whose timing correlated to a-LIGO events. Well done, bschott! Keep the good ideas coming! :)

Apr 09, 2016
Back on-topic and science
@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck
no, it's not, because you are ignoring context, content above and actual physics and science
millisecond-second pulsars
1- the pulsar clock (linked below in #3) is not the same thing as the bs clock
2- NANOGrav is a collaboration whose goal is detecting low-frequency gravitational waves, just like LIGO just did for high-frequency gravitational waves
3- Low-frequency gravitational waves are very difficult to detect, with wavelengths spanning light-years
http://phys.org/n...ers.html

lastly
if you read the comments above as well as in that thread i linked (#3), you will see that there are still major problems from bs comments

but don't let actual validated physics get in the way of your beliefs!
you never do ...just like you still failed to actually read the content above to comment yet again

imagine that

epic fail... again

Apr 09, 2016
"@POS lying trolling idiot rc"

"@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck"
------------------------

Can we get rid of this crude and hateful Stumpy Troll?

Apr 09, 2016
"@POS lying trolling idiot rc"

"@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck"
------------------------

Can we get rid of this crude and hateful Stumpy Troll?


How many times you ask that same silly question? Just about every day since you been here. Sometime five or four times a day. The emails and notes to the management never worked (but everybody thought they were big fun), so you think somebody out here can help you?

Apr 09, 2016
Can we get rid of this crude and hateful
@liar-kam
1- the moniker is taken verbatim from rc's own words in his own post started in another thread where he, like you, posted non-validated information and tried to indicate it was argument from science instead of self-percieved authority

2- if you don't like being outed as a liar & repeatedly proven to be such, i suggest either:
changing your argument to one of evidence and providing links
-or-
going elsewhere so you can lie with impunity about evidence you know nothing about

demonstrations of your lies:
http://phys.org/n...ess.html

http://phys.org/n...age.html

http://phys.org/n...ich.html

some evidence proving you're a liar
http://physics.ke...re15.pdf

https://www.youtu...yv9arXqU

https://www.youtu...xY-wOrI8

Apr 09, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

It's about the alternative methods of various means/setups, not just about one. Also, do you understand that the only 'task' of those many alternatives using various clocks/comm/pulsar networks is to 'find a pattern' of glitches etc, and NOT to analyse the signals like a-LIGO can? The latter has a modeled 'chirp shape' and other specifically designed techniques of analysis for identifying such things in the data set. Whereas the alternative clock/comms/pulsar type networks need only provide CORROBORATING data as to COINCIDENTAL TIMINGS/PATTERNS correlating to an a-LIGO 'event' observation at a specific date/time.

Please understand difference. Also variety of alternative/complementary (to a-LIGO) efforts which bschott's suggestions can be expanded to apply to.

Look at the bigger picture re 'alternative setups/efforts'; and at the subtle differences between what can be got from these alternatives and from a-LIGO setups.

Please try to stay on-science/on-topic.

Apr 10, 2016
Also, do you understand ...using various clocks/comm/pulsar networks is...NOT to analyse the signals like a-LIGO can
@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck
idiot. i posted the link to you and gave you the information
of course i understood it... that is why i posted it
did you not even read my post?
no.. of course you didn't ... that would mean posting content that would betray your ignorance
which bschott's suggestions
ok, which ones?
the ones where he didn't understand com-sats?
the one where he doesn't understand the LIGO?
or the magical super-duper cancer magnetism machine that can't get FDA approval even though you can get FDA approval for toxic chemicals?
be very specific please, because he's made a lot of "suggestions" lately... most of which are pseudoscience, like your bs earthling page

Please try to stay on-science and or on-topic because you're being stupid again and not actually reading what is posted

thanks
mIn

Apr 10, 2016
Hi CapS. :)
bschott's suggestions

ok, which ones?
The ones you pooh-poohed with kneejerk reactions, preconceived bias. His suggestion to search glitch data and correction logs in any number of modern scientific accurate high-frequency clocks and laser-communications bit-streams to check whether a pattern of glitches/corrections incidents can be correlated to the date/time of a-LIGO event.

But NOW you find that mainstream is ALSO proposing to do all that and more, including millisecond-pulsar network monitoring of their accurately reliable clock-like 'tick' pulses, looking for just the sort of 'glitches' pattern bschott suggested for any clock/light signal behavior.

So you have been shown up as a kneejerker from personality bias, ignoring the (now mainstream) scientific merit in his suggestion, and you don't like it. So you keep spewing malice and ego at every opportunity trying to save face against the reality of your self-inflicted irrelevance. Stop it. Chill.

Apr 10, 2016
"@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck idiot."
----------------------------------------

Sgt Trumpy, will you ever outgrow your nastiness? You are not the cop here, and you lie like a Bush. Your need to abuse others says more about you than your posts.

No wonder you have to HIDE from the Real World.

Apr 10, 2016
The ones you pooh-poohed with kneejerk reactions, preconceived bias
@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck
there were none of those. each refute to bs was researched and proven, unlike all your claims
check the conversation again and follow the links and references...

oh wait, that would entail actually reading the comments and links!
I forgot who i was talking to
So you keep spewing malice and ego at every opportunity trying to save face against the reality of your self-inflicted irrelevance.
Stop it.
Chill.
and quit posting pseudoscience
LOL

.

.

.

@liar-kam
OT
TL;DR

Apr 10, 2016
Poor Grumpy has to hide in the woods because he is SCARED of something or somebody. I do not.

He tries to make up for it by being the cop here, threatening others with dirty language and character assassination.

Apr 10, 2016
has to hide in the woods because he is SCARED of something or somebody. I do not.
@liar-kam
Prove it!
you made this claim, now prove both parts of it!
LOL

because
1- if we know that you're a chronic liar
and
2- we can prove you are a chronic liar with just a couple of links like this
http://phys.org/n...ess.html

http://www.nspe.o.../what-pe

http://www.bpelsg..._eng.pdf

http://phys.org/n...age.html

http://physics.ke...re15.pdf

https://www.youtu...yv9arXqU

https://www.youtu...xY-wOrI8

https://www.youtu...rcdMiIGs

https://www.youtu...Zm8XO7Zc

then
3- we can state, with all probability, that you're most likely lying whenever you post

this is proven
see above links

follow me around more, groupie
it helps me prove my point

Apr 10, 2016
LOL
PDQ
LSMFT
23 SKIDOO

I guess I really told him off!

That adolescent stuff is just silly.

Now, let us see his proof of having done anything.

Apr 10, 2016
LOL
PDQ
LSMFT
23 SKIDOO

I guess I really told him off!

That adolescent stuff is just silly.


Yeah, I know what you mean about that. I wonder if he postumed up anything like,,,

Thang kew.

Apr 10, 2016
CapS. :)
bschott's suggestions
ok, which ones?
The ones you pooh-poohed with kneejerk reactions, preconceived bias. His suggestion to search glitch data and correction logs in any number of modern scientific accurate high-frequency clocks and laser-communications bit-streams to check whether a pattern of glitches/corrections incidents can be correlated to the date/time of a-LIGO event.

But NOW you find that mainstream is ALSO proposing to do all that and more, including millisecond-pulsar network monitoring of their accurately reliable clock-like 'tick' pulses, looking for just the sort of 'glitches' pattern bschott suggested for any clock/light signal behavior.
@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck
there were none of those. each refute to bs was researched and proven,..
In your Dunning-Kruger version of reality, mate! All you've done is link/insult without realizing he was scientifically valid all along and you just biased/floundering. :(

Apr 10, 2016
@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck the insipid retard
All you've done is link/insult without realizing
This coming from the idiot who didn't read the freakin' argument to begin with?
ROTFLMFAO

so... how do you know?
did your magic 8-ball tell you?

ROTFLMFAO

that isn't even ironic so much as it is blatant displays of abject stupidity with illiteracy
it's right there, in black and white, fodera-head

nice try, sammie-girl - maybe you should go back to the top of this thread and start from scratch!
LOL

thanks for the laugh... that is the funniest thing i've seen today...
I mean, you even described yourself to a perfect "t" with ... "your Dunning-Kruger version of reality" and "All you've done is link/insult without realizing" any of the science posted before you jumped in, so you're "just biased/floundering"!
LMFAO

man, that is just too epic funny not to share on the Joint!


Apr 11, 2016
Poor CapS. Runs off to his mates at the joint because he needs reassurance from his cronies, telling them his 'version' of the reality. Maybe exchanging gun-drugs-and-booze stories, not realizing his reputation on the net has grown to be more 'Dunning-Kruger' than all those against whom he keeps invoking it against practically every unwanted and unwarranted intrusion of his into on-topic and on-science discussions between other PO members. Poor CapS.

Apr 11, 2016
ROTFLMFAO
--------------------

There, . . I told him off.

High-school communications. His level.

Apr 11, 2016
ROTFLMFAO
--------------------

There, . . I told him off.

High-school communications. His level.


I know what you mean Cher. Next he'll be saying something like,,,,,

Thang kew

Apr 11, 2016
Hooeieia! did I do that? talk like a goober?

Oh my, cypress-chere, (Yeah I know it's feminine), did I make fun of you folk with that?

Apr 11, 2016
Hooeieia! did I do that? talk like a goober?

Oh my, cypress-chere, (Yeah I know it's feminine), did I make fun of you folk with that?


Non, you used it on one of the members of your tribe for saying something nice to you. Before you were the total outcast from the tribe.

But that's non problem is it Cher? You got the new tribe to take you in, obama-fan-Skippy, Bennie-Skippy and Really-Skippy. I guess Really-Skippy is the Big Chief, and Bennie-Skippy is the Flag-Boy, and obama-fan-Skippy is the Wildman, so what you are? You the Spy-Boy? Maybe you are the First-Queen?

Apr 11, 2016
Tribe?

The rest of us do not have to band together to survive.

And you forgot "Skippy to my lou, my darlin'".


Apr 11, 2016
"ROTFLMFAO"
----------------------

That is the all-time bad thing to say to young goobers.

You can tell by who uses it a lot.

Apr 11, 2016
That is the all-time bad thing to say to young goobers
@liar-kam

in other words... you don't know what it means so you will run it down

nice

at least you're consistent

there is a lot of science, from nukes to THz that you don't understand that you run down
now we have a point of reference to demonstrate your ignorance and inability to comprehend how to seek information

we already know you can't validate your claims, but i thought that was because you were just a chronic liar

now we can see it's because you're an "technologically inept" chronic liar

thanks

Apr 11, 2016
Oh, my, do we have to go through the "ideal airman" quotations from my performance reviews at the Air Force Flight Test Center? You have them, read them again.

Then, you can send me yours.

Do you need to see my reviews from my Power Quality seminars?

Do I have to send you to those three military websites with my name and/or picture on them again? So far, I am real, and you are still too SCARED to come out of the woods.

Apr 11, 2016
do we have to go through the "ideal airman" quotations
@liar-kam
would it prove nukes or THz or ROTLMFAO is unsafe?
no?
there is your answer
Then, you can send me yours
would it prove nukes or THz or ROTLMFAO is unsafe?
no?
there is your answer
Do you need to see my reviews from my Power Quality seminars?
there is enough fake sh*t on the net... so
would it prove nukes or THz or ROTLMFAO is unsafe?
no?
there is your answer
Do I have to send you to those three military websites
would it prove nukes or THz or ROTLMFAO is unsafe?
no?
there is your answer

your BS "reviews" from your "engineering" site:
http://www.bpelsg..._eng.pdf

http://www.nspe.o.../what-pe

you can't even talk about engineering with an engineer (see: http://phys.org/n...age.html ) so why continue that lie?
https://www.psych...ttle-ego

Apr 11, 2016
Did you go to the site? Did you understand how delta-wye transformers can change the harmonic content of both voltage and current?

Notice how each current pulse can be seen in the Neutral in inverse? That is the current going both ways, in from the line, and back in the Neutral. I can probably teach you how to identify waveshapes and tell us not just what caused them, but how far away the disturbance was.

That was the fun part, and why it was necessary to teach the field effects stuff we went through earlier.

Something with a little more substance than "ROTLMFAO".

Apr 11, 2016
Did you go
@Liar-kam
1- i don't visit spamming phishing sites
2- would it prove nukes or THz or ROTLMFAO is unsafe?
no?
there is your answer
Something with a little more substance
1- does it prove nukes or THz or ROTLMFAO is unsafe?
no?

so you got confused where to post your diatribe that is irrelevant?
alzheimers? or just dementia?

lets rehash: you don't know engineering
http://phys.org/n...age.html

you don't know nukes
http://physics.ke...re15.pdf

https://www.youtu...yv9arXqU

https://www.youtu...xY-wOrI8

you don't know CA law
http://www.bpelsg..._eng.pdf

you don't know THz
http://phys.org/n...ess.html

you don't know jack, do you?
but you want to teach without evidence?

epic fail

Apr 11, 2016
Wow. Then how did Ido all those things? You saw the Edwards AFB stuff, the NASA catalog, the references to me and 7X24Exchange, my website, my very own first performance reports in the Air Force. Also my diploma, and you had access to my thesis itself.

What have you done?

Tell us!!

You pretend to be the cop here, demanding proof, but you have NONE yourself, just a nasty attitude.

Tell us, mister critic. What have YOU done, and who are you to speak up, anyway?

Apr 11, 2016
Tell us!!


As long as we are doing the telling and asking stuffs. I got a request.

glam-Skippy. We know about the proton engine company and the "consulting" company where you wear the silly looking pointy cap with the stars and moons on him.

But the one I want to know about is the mo ants company. What the heck was that all about? Was you selling ant farms? Was it part of your Senior Chicken Inspector job or different from that one?

Apr 11, 2016
You have a real fixation there, Toots.

I would get it looked into.


Apr 11, 2016
You have a real fixation there, Toots.

I would get it looked into.



Does that mean you are not going to tell us about the mo ants thing?

Apr 11, 2016
It will always be a big mystery to you.

Don't you have a life of your own? Why do you live in the lives of others?

Go get your own life.

Apr 11, 2016
It will always be a big mystery to you.

Don't you have a life of your own? Why do you live in the lives of others?

Go get your own life.


Well if you don't want to talk about the moants, how about the agrimess thing? Was the the cow-poo power business or the Chicken Plant business?

Apr 11, 2016
It will always be a big mystery, won't it?

Have you done anything?

No?

Apr 11, 2016
It will always be a big mystery, won't it?
Yeah, since you don't want to talk about I guess it will be.

It must have been extra goofy because you usually like to talk and talk and such like about all your "experiences", but the mo ants company and the agri mess company you going to keep secret, eh?

Have you done anything?
You mean like all the stuffs you didn't do? Non Cher, I did not do all those stuffs either. But the stuffs I done are good enough for me.

No?
Yeah?

Apr 11, 2016
What have you done?
@liar-kam the old hag
It will always be a big mystery to you.
Don't you have a life of your own? Why do you live in the lives of others?
Go get your own life.

You have a real fixation there, Toots.
I would get it looked into
who are you to speak up, anyway?
i am the person who tried to help you argue from evidence, but you hate because i can and do argue from evidence

unlike you, who can only dream about past inadequacies and delusional D-K beliefs

that is who i am
that is why you will always fail epically when arguing
evidence
period

.

.

now... if you aint gonna post about something that can be validated, i am gonna ignore you
and downrate you

- maybe even report all your posts where you lie blatantly, like above

why?
because you can't actually validate your claims with evidence

:-D
have a nice night, liar-kam

Apr 12, 2016
CapS, Ira.

I tried for months now to be nice and forgiving to you in this New Year, but you two seem incorrigible. I had hoped that you would have grown up enough by now to realize this New Year and the next few had all the promise of being exciting new years of discovery and reconciliation. But you two seem determined to dwell in the old years of stupidity and malice.

Don't you realize your reputation on the net is now one of moronity and cowardice beyond the guise of 'fun' or 'sanity'?

End your delusional personality clutterings of the on-topic and on-science discussions; post *proofs* of your own identity and qualifications/experience; as gkam did when you demanded it.

Now it's your turn. Do it now, without further evasions; or be forever branded psychoanalytically and officially *Two Internet Idiots* who are too stupid to realize the hypocritical and cowardly position they've placed themselves in.

Don't cower behind anonymity. Deliver now. Or be confirmed dolts.

Apr 12, 2016
CapS, Ira. Blah, Blah and some Really-Skippy Blahs that Really-Skippy already postumed on the other article like the trolls do.


Skippy, you already wrote that on the other article. It's just as stupid the second time around as it was the first. Maybe more stupid since you repeated him again without realizing it was stupid the first time.

I am not going to deliver you the answer here again so you will have to go pick him up at the other article.

Apr 12, 2016
Hi Ira.
Skippy, you already wrote that on the other article. It's just as stupid the second time around as it was the first. Maybe more stupid since you repeated him again without realizing it was stupid the first time.

I am not going to deliver you the answer here again so you will have to go pick him up at the other article.
You repeat your hypocritcal trolling idiocy and cowardice all over the place here at PO.

Now you whine and whinge when the truth of that is pointed out in the two threads where your idiocy and cowardice has been most lately egregiously on display more than usual.

What a wimpery noise issuing from the Ira Podna-Skippy who insults and calls it 'funs', then turns around and complains because he can't take 'funs' in return!

Seriously, Ira Podna-Skippy, you've proved to be nothing more than the butt-end half of a double-act on the internet: Dimwitted Cowards of the worst Dunning-Kruger type.

And you two poor Net Loser sods don't even realize it.

Apr 12, 2016
Hi Ira.You repeat your hypocritcal trolling idiocy and cowardice all over the place here at PO.

Now you whine and whinge when the truth of that is pointed out in the two threads where your idiocy and cowardice has been most lately egregiously on display more than usual.

What a wimpery noise issuing from the Ira Podna-Skippy who insults and calls it 'funs', then turns around and complains because he can't take 'funs' in return!

Seriously, Ira Podna-Skippy, you've proved to be nothing more than the butt-end half of a double-act on the internet: Dimwitted Cowards of the worst Dunning-Kruger type.

And you two poor Net Loser sods don't even realize it.


I am not whining Cher, I was trying to help you be more efficient with your postums. Choot, if it means that much to you, we can fool around on four or three different articles if you want to do. I thought it would be easier if we didn't have to keep jumping around to say the same thing to the same peoples.

Apr 12, 2016
It bears repeating in your egregious case, Ira Podna-Skippy: Poor whining hypocritical dimwitted cowardly Ira in denial.

Apr 12, 2016
It bears repeating in your egregious case, Ira Podna-Skippy: Poor whining hypocritical dimwitted cowardly Ira in denial.


Well I can bear you repeating it Skippy. It does not matter to me. So unless you got something remarkably stupid to say that is really Really-Skippy entertaining, I am going to let you repeat it to your self because after you start repeating the same thing over and over (which is usually after your 2nd comment) it gets pretty boring.

Apr 12, 2016
Thanks, Ira; don't mind if I do! Repetition is often a necessary device for getting through industrial strength insensibility such you present almost daily here. So...

...Podna-Skippy: Poor whining hypocritical dimwitted cowardly Ira in denial.

You poor dumb Internet Loser.


Apr 12, 2016
I tried for months now to be nice and forgiving to you
@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck the insipid retard
i've tried for years to get you to post scientific references and links to validate your claims... so you got some catchin' up to do, lucy...
http://www.sherv....-off.gif

incorrigible
it's called inflexible
you see, the scientific method requires evidence for claims like yours. so when it isn't met, its called bullsh*t... although it is couched in nice PC terms like "pseudoscience"

lets be perfectly clear: you're an idiot for telling the world where you live
i aint making it any easier for you... and i aint anonymous, so it should be easy, unless you have the IQ of a wilted carrot rotting in the anus of a cadaver in a hot july down in Miami

if you're inept, it aint my fault
if you're stupid, it aint my fault
if you're a pseudoscience idiot who can't substantiate claims... get it yet?

ROTFLMFAO

Apr 13, 2016
"@pain-in-the-ass-nincompoop-RepulsivityCheck the insipid retard"
------------------------------------

All that is getting old, Grumpy.

Outgrow it.

Apr 13, 2016
@liar-kam
1- you do know that part of that is a direct quote from the idiot rc herself, right?

2- it is posted to demonstrate that you can't get away from your own ignorant rants, especially the hypocritical stupidity ones

... kinda like when i re-post your own rants that were proven incorrect about THz or nuke safety

and... just for the record... gonna be gone tomorrow

so now is your chance to flood with more of your slognaeering pseudoscience to get caught up for the program you wanted to start (that you mentioned earlier today here: