An intelligent battery for industrial production

December 29, 2015

Energy consumption can be one of the most critical cost factors in manufacturing, especially for processes requiring a continuous and intensive use of energy. IK4-IKERLAN, a Spanish technology centre based in the Basque Country, is busy engineering integrated tools for battery packs used in industry with innovative energy efficiency features. These tools can contribute to control strategies aimed at providing energy when it is most needed, in step with market price peaks.

The principle is simple. "Battery-based electric energy storage, or ESS, is a key feature in helping to integrate renewables into productive processes," explains Bakartxo Egilegor, a specialist in thermal processes. "The problem we wanted to tackle was the intrinsic variability of renewable sources and the need to adapt through intelligent shifts, reducing consumption when energy is at a higher price and thus offering a backup service to part of the factory power supply. This is why we talk of optimised control energy, which if implemented on a large scale, may offer significant reductions in costs."

Researchers therefore concentrated on delivering a battery pack sizing toolto optimise the up-front cost of the electrical storage system. "To develop it, several variables had to be taken into account, such as the application power profiles, the energy management strategy used by the factory, the battery performance and also the ageing of the battery itself, for which specific models have been produced. In the end, the tool performs an economic profitability study of the system, and also considers application and cost aspects, as these are important constraints for the sizing of the battery pack," says Egilegor. A simplified version of the sizing tool is being integrated into a more complex software tool engineered by Irish company IES in the REEMAIN project.

Furthermore, IK4-Ikerlan has also designed and developed an innovative compact and scalable system based on lithium ion technology, which operates under thermal and energy management systems designed to ensure its safe operation and best performance. Egilegor says, "The management systems have been developed while bearing in mind that the solution should be scalable to applications with higher demand. For example, the thermal management system is able to keep cells in the range of 20°C to 30°C to maximise their lifetime in environmental temperatures between -15°C and 45°C."

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gkam
1.5 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2015
If folk wonder how this could save money, they should look into Demand Charges. When I was with the foundry and its multi-Megawatt-loads, my demand charges (kW), were higher than the cost of the power we used (kWh).
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2015
I see I got a one rating from someone who lives in the swamp. Just wait until they get electricity.

Back to the batteries. in the 1970's my power bill for the induction furnaces was between $20,000 and $30,000/month, and only about 40% was for the power we used. The rest was for the time we used it. Batteries would pay off today in that scenario.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2015
I see I got a one rating from someone who lives in the swamp. Just wait until they get electricity.


At least he knows about electricity like glam-Skippy does not. Especially when he says things like,,,,,,,,

Back to the batteries. in the 1970's my power bill for the induction furnaces was between $20,000 and $30,000/month, and only about 40% was for the power we used. The rest was for the time we used it.


Another made up lie that you think would make you sound like you know what you are talking about. Hooyeei, you are on the roll today. Yeah, calling BS again Cher, you never learn the easy lessons. Some peoples actually look up the things you say that don't make sense (which is just about every thing you post, eh?)
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2015
Back to the batteries. in the 1970's my power bill for the induction furnaces was between $20,000 and $30,000/month, and only about 40% was for the power we used. The rest was for the time we used it. Batteries would pay off today in that scenario.


Okayeei, Mr Senior Engineer,,,, please tell this ol ignorant swamper how you are going to square that up there,,,,, with this down here?

Demand charges have more than tripled in PG&E territory in the last 10 years, driving 25-40% of the bill from one day of usage.


Back in the 70's it was only a 10% surcharge per kWh, and no where near 60% of somebody's total bill.

Skippy you got to quite making things up as you go along. That's how everybody on the physorg knows you are lying all the time. (And why you can't find a tribe to accept you except for the trolls like Bennie-Skippy, JVK-Skippy, Really-Skippy, and Cantdrive-the NAZI-Skippy and Returnering-Skippy and all the Zephir-Skippys.)
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2015
Well, gosh, I see one of the outsiders is smarter than the folk who did it for a living. Figure it out: We had 3.4 MW of induction furnace for melts of about ten hours. Not all of the time is full-on, because it has to get past the Curie Point before we can get good coupling, and at the end, it is maintained for a while to let the other constituents in the melt stabilize, so it is not full-on all the ten hours.

Look up your present industrial rates from Gulf Power or wherever, and assume on-peak overlap of about four hours.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2015
Well, gosh, I see one of the outsiders is smarter than the folk who did it for a living. Figure it out: We had 3.4 MW of induction furnace for melts of about ten hours. Not all of the time is full-on, because it has to get past the Curie Point before we can get good coupling, and at the end, it is maintained for a while to let the other constituents in the melt stabilize, so it is not full-on all the ten hours.


Throwing in the jargon don't square with the numbers you made up off the top of your head. They don't add up. In other words, YOU LIED. AGAIN.

Look up your present industrial rates from Gulf Power or wherever, and assume on-peak overlap of about four hours.


But this is not the 70s and the rates are no where near the same, that's comparing apples and pineapples. Nice try glam-the-goober-Skippy. But the quote I postumed up there is from PG and the E. Talking about the last decade. Which makes what you wrote about the 70s a GREAT BIG LIE.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Dec 30, 2015
Yeah, some swamp goober knows. Our furnaces were two 1500kW,six-ton induction units and one 400kw, four-ton unit. We also had two cupolas, used occasionally, and the only hand-charged ones left in the country, I think.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 30, 2015
Yeah, some swamp goober knows. Our furnaces were two 1500kW,six-ton induction units and one 400kw, four-ton unit. We also had two cupolas, used occasionally, and the only hand-charged ones left in the country, I think.


Which don't have anything to do with the lie you made up about your "rates" in 70s. Why you still think changing the discussion keeps peoples from noticing the silly lies you tell when you make stuffs up?

Our furnaces were two 1500kW,


Tinker toys Cher. I drive two 4,000kW MAN engines day and night for weeks on end me. (With another 2,500kW EMD engine for bulk liquid transfer.) But what that has to do with the lie you make up about your rates back in the 70s? (Other than trying to take attention away from you getting caught again I mean.)

gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
Oooooo!

Are you really serious about the rates? Will you apologize if I can prove it?

Ber careful, Toots. I proved my other assertions, . . remember?
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
"Tinker toys Cher. I drive two 4,000kW MAN engines day and night for weeks on end me. (With another 2,500kW EMD engine for bulk liquid transfer.)"
---------------------------------

Okay, you have big toys.

But I was not urinating for distance, I was giving you the specifications so you could try to disprove my assertions. You changed it to some kind of "mine is bigger" silliness.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
Ber careful, Toots. I proved my other assertions, . . remember?


Yeah, I remember your proofs that were not proofs. They were really big fun. I am just going by what the peoples at PG and the E are saying about their rates, and what they say is a lot different than what you say.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
But I was not urinating for distance,


Well I don't know what is the better way of putting Cher.

I was giving you the specifications so you could try to disprove my assertions.


No, you were throwing in some buzzy words and jargon words hoping you would sound like you knew what you were talking and trying to cover up getting caught again making up stuffs.

You changed it to some kind of "mine is bigger" silliness.


How I change it when you started it? You made up some "facts" with "numbers" and got caught again. You should try to learn from your mistakes and either stop doing that and check first. Or if you got to make up stuffs out thin air, at least make up reasonable ones that don't beg to get checked and are so easy to check.
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
When I prove the rates will you apologize?

To what do you object? Demand charges?

Completely ignorant of the industrial rate structure of PG&E, you scream LIAR?

That tells more about you than it does about PG&E rate structures.
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
To what do you object? Demand charges?


I don't object Skippy. I was only pointing out you make up numbers out of thin air without bothering to ponder if they make sense. Like when you said,

in the 1970's my power bill for the induction furnaces was between $20,000 and $30,000/month, and only about 40% was for the power we used.


That is not true Cher. Not even close to true.

Completely ignorant of the industrial rate structure of PG&E, you scream LIAR?


Read what you wrote and then what PG and the E says, not what I say, what THEY say about their rates,

Demand charges have more than tripled in PG&E territory in the last 10 years, driving 25-40% of the bill


You say "70s" and "40% was for the power we used" and notice again what PG and the E says "last 10 years" and "driving 25-40% of the bill". In the 70s you say demand charges was 60% of your bill, in 2015 PG and the E says it is 25-40%. I trust their word not yours.
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
You trust whatever makes you feel better. Your challenge was completely out of ignorance and the need to get even with someone who is exactly who he said he is. Meanwhile, you continue to hide behind pseudonyms making silly accusations.

I am telling you demand charges were the biggest part of my electric power bill for the 14kV service powering the electric furnaces and their balance-of-plant. I suggest you prove me wrong by looking up those rate schedules from 1977. The foundry is closed now, so I can't get the information from them.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 03, 2016
P.S. for you glam-Skippy. You should learn to quit digging Cher. It only draws more attention to the blurts and blahs you make without thinking about what you are writing. But if you got to get all mad and prickly. Don't get mad at me for looking it up. Get made at Google-Skippy for finding it. Or get mad at PG and the E for giving out the wrong numbers.

This stuffs might work for you down at the Starbuck's or the pub patio with the new-agey hippie types who don't have a computer to check your blurts and blahs. I am sure they are bamboozled by your "Senior Engineer I know stuffs blahs", but this ain't there.

You got caught again so just move along and try again. (And I got non doubts about you trying again to sound like you are In-The-Know and the True-Expert. You can not help yourself, it is some sort of mental condition that makes you do it.)
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
Oh, gosh, . . you swamp goobers have got us over-edjicated new-agey folk figgered out. We is couyons and them other names you got for folk who are smarter than you, and have actually done things.

You are dodging the question again:

If I prove it to you, will you apologize? And without weasel words?
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
If I prove it to you, will you apologize?


So far your "prove"'s have been pretty lame and weak. Mostly smoke and mirrors. So far the only person "prove"d anything to is you. That's why you going around strutting and puffing about "beat you at your own game", "I won so you", and such foolishment as that. Cher if you been winning anything, I sure would hate to be you be you when you was losing. How many peoples here have caught you making things up? Just about everybody who did look one of your blurts and blahs up.

And without weasel words?


Well my source was PG and the E them selfs from their own interweb place. What you got that is better than that?
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
Oh, gosh, . . you swamp goobers have got us with the mental conditions figured out,,,,,


You make it really easy. If a goober can see you got the tall tale mental condition, what that say about your, eh?

new-agey folk figgered out.


Since all you ever postum here is new-agey slogans and such like, that was not the great feat non.

We is couyons and them other names you got for folk who are more stupid than you, and have never actually done things.


You sell your self short Cher. You have done a lot great things here on the physorg with you imaginations.

You are dodging the question again


You keep the straight face with that one again? Skippy you really are not very good at this stuffs. Do you ever get tired of getting the bad moods all the time? You think if you tell one more, just one more lie that it will do the trick and it will all go away?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Jan 03, 2016
Let's start here:
http://www.sec.go...0493.txt

Look up "The CPUC requires"
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
Better yet, give it up. You will not apologize because you do not have the character to do it. You chose to misrepresent the proof I sent to you, and tried to discredit it or refuse it, or whatever made you feel better. This will just be like the front page of the newspaper of the Air Force Flight Test Center with my picture on it as Airman of the Month, or the copy of my degree, or the body, even, of my thesis. You will denigrate it, or try to ridicule what you cannot achieve.

I sent you to three military websites with my name and/or picture on them, and the government listings of reports showing my name on the one regarding the test for NASA of graphitic fiber materials in combustion.

Forget it.

Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
Look up "The CPUC requires"


Skippy are really so lame that you think that link proves your blurts and blahs about what "you" paid for "demand charges" in the "70s"? Let me refresh your elderly memory,,, you said that only 40% of your electric bill was for the power used.

So you got a 500 or 400 page report from the 1998's that don't say nothing like what you said and you think you are going to be able to bamboozle somebody?

Non Cher, it does not work that way. After all this time I would have thought anybody except peoples with mental conditions would realize that doesn't work here.

I called BS on this,,,,,,,
in the 1970's my power bill for the induction furnaces was between $20,000 and $30,000/month, and only about 40% was for the power we used.


Anything else is just more BS and smoke and mirrors. I posted up what PG and the E said about for the last decade which makes what you said about the 70s a GREAT BIG LIE.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 03, 2016
Better yet, give it up.


That's all on you Cher.

I sent you to three military websites with my name and/or picture on them, and the government listings of reports showing my name on the one regarding the test for NASA of graphitic fiber materials in combustion.


None of them said anything about Electronic Engineer. Or Research Engineer. Or Environmental Engineer. Or Senior Engineer. Or any other kind of Engineer. Nada, zip, zilch, zero, NOTHING. Smoke and mirrors and dodging.Choot your "Master Degree" did not even have "Engineer" or "Environment" or "Management" on him any where, eh? The only thing you prove is you were in the Air Forces and went to radio school (and you don't seem to have taken in much of that.)

Forget it


You make that really hard to do, which is why I suspect you have a really serious mental conditions. But that is on you entire Cher. (Why I have my doubts you will ever learn that you really are very not good at this?)
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2016
Ira, your own technical ignorance makes you unfit for this forum. Please take your silly personal attacks to facebook or wherever you kids play these days.

Your adolescent comments cannot compete with proof. Did you go see my name and picture on the websites? Where are YOURS?

Did you see my name in the catalog of NASA reports? Where is YOURS?

Did you see my picture as Airman of the Month of the Air Force Flight Test Center? Where is YOURS?

Did you see my MS diploma? Where is YOURS?

Sorry, but you silly folk here to play your games should go elsewhere.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2016
Ira, your own technical ignorance makes you unfit for this forum.


Skippy, sorry to ruin your day, but somebody has to be the one to tell you. I was here BEFORE you came in, and will be long AFTER you go out.

Did you go see my name and picture on the websites?


You mean the ones that don't say anything about being any kind of Engineer? Yeah I see them.

Did you see my name in the catalog of NASA reports?


You mean the one that don't say who or what are or what you did? Yeah, I see him too. I see your name on the physorg too, so what?

Did you see my picture as Airman of the Month of the Air Force Flight Test Center?


The one where he says you are the college drop-out? Yeah, I see him, but it don't say nothing about being the Engineer.

Did you see my MS diploma?


The one that does not have the word Engineer or Environment or Management on him? Yeah I see him too but you know you got him not from the Engineer School, eh?.

gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2016
Please go back to facebook or the High School Forum, where this kind of silly personal attack is de rigeur.

You have failed to out me as anything but the person I really am, with the experiences and education I related to you. I know, living your entire life in one little place makes you think you understand the world, but you are in over your head here.

Yup, them old grapes sure is sour, . . . to those who never had good wine. The entire world is not made of mud, brown water and rotting vegetation. And many of us who bounced around in it are nothing like the folk you live with. Envy and resentment are not the makings of a good citizen.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2016
You have failed to out me as anything but the person I really am
-So why is it that most everyone here who has read your posts for any length of time, reached the conclusion that you are a compulsive liar and fact fabricator and manipulator of the worst and most transparent sort?

And that because of this behavior there is something very, very wrong with you?

Why is that george?

Are you really that sick?
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2016
Envy and resentment are not the makings of a good citizen.


Well I suppose you are trying to say that I envy you, eh Cher? Why would anybody envy you?

I mean you are grumpy all day every day. Everybody thinks you are really lame and goofy with your sloganeering. Everybody seems to think you are the troll just here to brag and bluster. You got a near 100% track record of postum up the stuffs off the top of your head and get caught with 30 seconds of Google-Skippy checking. Your karma points are in the toilet. Everybody that pays attention thinks you are the liar. And nobody takes you serious at all.

Sure I envy you and want all that stuffs for my self me. And I really must resent not being thought of just like you, eh? Answer me this Cher, would rather be all those things I just listed? Or like me, happy with his lot in life, without feeling the irresistible need to brag and lie? Envy and resentment, hooyeei, is that the best you could come up with?

gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2016
The issue is battery production. Why are you do hung up on someone who beat you at your own silly game of "gotcha"?

You folk probably thought you owned this forum, using bullying tactics and personal attacks to scare off the Decent Folk.
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2016
The issue here is intelligent battery production. Those unable to discuss it can stay with personal attacks.

This topic will change the world, and help get us off the Filthy Fuel bandwagon, including the disgusting and deadly nukes. With new power storage entrants into the field, the days of coal and nukes are over. We are seeing the last gasps of nukes now, with the Hinckley and Vogtle boondoggles, which will triple power costs for their customers versus renewables.

And they want to run these costly disasters for 50 to 60 years, to pay them off, by burdening their customers with their poor decisions.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2016
Why are you do hung up on someone who beat you at your own silly game of "gotcha"?


If you are winning Cher, I sure would hate to be you win you were losing. Choot, I don't even think it would be much fun to be you winning. You sure seem to be in a grumpy mood all the time and never have seem to have much fun.

You folk probably thought you owned this forum, using bullying tactics and personal attacks to scare off the Decent Folk.


Except for the fact that you showed up on day one flinging insults and challenging peoples. And every time somebody tried to "debate" you on the silly slogans you fling out, you got mad and started the name calling first. And telling them they were stupid and ignorant and goobers and "not in the business (like you were not either)". When your bragging did not impress them, you started baby crying and complaining about the way you were getting your feelings hurt.

Go back and look for your self. You insult first. Every time.
gkam
1 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2016
By next year, I hope to add batteries to the home system, since technology is available and cost-effective in certain circumstances. The solar'/;battery combination is not cheap, but is affordable, and provides security from disturbances such as these:
http://www.aol.co...1289793/
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 04, 2016
Those unable to discuss it can stay with personal attacks
I for one think that lying and making up your own facts are a particularly offensive form of personal attack on all the good and decent and honest people who post here.

Too bad if they are calling you on it. Does it hurt georgie to be so exposed for what you really are? Not fair is it?

I do understand that in that twisted little mind of yours you should be able to do these things unmolested because of the champion you are and of all the wonderous things you did.

Sorry but thats not gonna happen.

Boo hoo hoo.
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Jan 04, 2016
Did you used to have even a little life of your own before you got your pathetic fixations on others?

And that continual set of references to "psychopathy", the personal cry for help, is going to the wrong forum. Go to a psychology forum. They would love the example.

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