Mercury-laden fog swirls over coastal California, scientists find

Mercury-laden fog swirls over coastal California, scientists find
Fog sits over the estuary of the Klamath River along the Pacific Coast. Credit: Wikimedia Commons

What do the roof of a building in a West Coast redwood forest, a bluff in California chaparral, and a research vessel in Monterey Bay have in common?

They're often draped in tendrils of fog. That makes them prime sites for collecting fog water samples. And there's something else that can be found at those sites: , according to atmospheric chemist Peter Weiss-Penzias of the University of California at Santa Cruz (UCSC).

Mercury: rolling in with fog

Sea fog is a significant, but previously overlooked, source of toxic monomethyl mercury deposited in coastal environments, Weiss-Penzias and colleagues reported at the December 2014, American Geophysical Union (AGU) Fall Meeting in San Francisco.

Their research is funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF)'s Chemical Oceanography Program in its Division of Ocean Sciences.

"'Fog drip' could deliver unsafe levels of monomethyl mercury to upland and near-shore ecosystems along the Pacific Coast," Weiss-Penzias says.

Other scientists had previously found high levels of mercury in Monterey Bay during coastal upwelling events—occasions when winds drive surface water offshore and colder water from the deep moves in to replace it. That gave Weiss-Penzias and colleagues the idea to find out whether mercury was somehow stealing ashore in fog.

Mercury is a heavy metal neurotoxin that bioaccumulates and bioconcentrates—primarily as monomethyl mercury—in aquatic food webs. It often reaches high levels in fish and other animals, making them unsafe for human consumption.

The source of monomethyl mercury in aquatic organisms has been debated, says Weiss, "but atmospheric deposition has been implicated as a pathway. Emissions such as coal combustion likely make a significant contribution."

That deposition affects all forms of precipitation: rain, snow and fog.

Weiss-Penzias and other researchers started their search by collecting fog samples by dark of night from June through August 2011.

Mercury-laden fog swirls over coastal California, scientists find
A FogNet station in Big Creek Reserve in California's Big Sur collects fog. Credit: Peter Weiss-Penzias

They worked only in blackness so there would be no decomposition of mercury from sunlight, moving a single fog water collector among four locations near Santa Cruz: the roof of a UCSC building located in a redwood forest; a bluff at UCSC's Long Marine Laboratory; the Moss Landing Marine Labs' research vessel John H. Martin in Moss Landing Harbor; and on offshore spot in Monterey Bay where the John H. Martin was temporarily moored.

FogNet: a dragnet for mercury

The scientists then expanded their goals. Their NSF-funded project, called FogNet, involves sampling fog from seven locations along the California coast, from Eureka to Monterey.

FogNet is a collaborative effort among researchers at UCSC, Moss Landing Marine Labs, California State University-Monterey Bay, Humboldt State University Marine Laboratory, University of California-Davis Bodega Bay Marine Laboratory, San Francisco State University, Pepperwood Preserve and the U.S. Geological Survey.

The project will collect fog water during the summers of 2014 through 2016 for chemical characterization and quantification of fog deposition volume, Weiss-Penzias says.

The new data show elevated monomethyl mercury concentrations, similar to those the team revealed at the December AGU conference, as well as in a paper published in 2012 in the AGU journal Geophysical Research Letters.

"The hypothesis we're now testing," Weiss-Penzias says, "is whether a form of mercury called dimethyl mercury produced in the coastal ocean can be incorporated into cloud droplets, then be deposited in ecosystems on land and become an important, or even dominant, contributor to monomethyl mercury there."

Fog samples are being collected at Marina Airport, Long Marine Laboratory, UCSC, Montara Lighthouse, Bodega Bay, Pepperwood Preserve, and Humboldt State University Marine Laboratory.

Hidden in the mist

Mercury-laden fog swirls over coastal California, scientists find
San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge and Bay Bridge loom above a blanket of fog. Credit: Wikimedia Commons

The average monomethyl mercury concentration in the fog water samples taken in 2011 was five-fold greater than the previously reported highest monomethyl mercury levels in rain water.

"There haven't been reports of monomethyl mercury measurements in fog water in the scientific literature," says Weiss. "But these elevated concentrations suggest that fog could be a significant source in coastal environments."

Could fog be a vector for not only mercury, but other toxic elements?

"We really don't know," says Weiss. "The potentially far-reaching consequences of these results, however, underscore the need to collect fog water in various locations along the coast."

Weiss-Penzias has teamed with UCSC biologist Chris Wilmers for one of the next steps in the research. Wilmers is providing hair and whisker samples from mountain lions that roam the oft-foggy Santa Cruz Mountains and Sierra Nevada foothills, where mercury was used in the Gold Rush era due to its ability to extract the precious metal from other materials.

Mercury-laden fog swirls over coastal California, scientists find
Looking like a traditional Chinese painting, California's coastal mountains are covered in mist. Credit: Wikimedia Commons

Early results show that whiskers from coastal mountain lions contain mercury levels that are, on average, 10 times higher than those of their inland counterparts.

"We're looking at whether the mercury is linked with plants eaten by the mountain lions' main prey—deer," says Weiss-Penzias.

Mercury-laden fog swirls over coastal California, scientists find
The Sutro Tower communication antenna in San Francisco cast a shadow in fog. Credit: Wikimedia Commons

The scientist says he's constantly looking for mercury. When walks down his driveway to pick up the morning paper, he wonders what's in the dew.

"If my feet are wet when I get back in," he says, "I'm thinking: 'it was foggy enough last night to get a good sample.'"


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Aug 27, 2015
The Mercury comes from Chinese coal plants. We MUST rid ourselves of Filthy Fuels.

Aug 27, 2015
The Mercury comes from Chinese coal plants. We MUST rid ourselves of Filthy Fuels.


Why you telling us? It's the scientist-Skippys who wrote the article that are wondering where it comes from.

Aug 27, 2015
"Why you telling us?"

To ease your ignorance.

http://www.global...us-study


Aug 27, 2015
"Why you telling us?"

To ease your ignorance.

http://www.global...us-study


Well that sure looked like a scientifical peer graded paper. Is that where you got your expertise without being the expert? From the new-agey interweb blog places?

Oh yeah, I almost forget. The blog-Skippy did not even mention the word mercury.

Aug 27, 2015
Thank you Phys.org for an explanation for gkams' egotistic madness.
Lets talk about you for a while, shall we? Like we have a choice.

Aug 27, 2015
The Mercury comes from Chinese coal plants. We MUST rid ourselves of Filthy Fuels.

This is the same person that:

Says the US sold nuclear secrets to the North Koreans and Pakistan.
Has been proven to been lying about their education.
Links people to gay websites.
Has at least three different personas on these forums.

Aug 27, 2015
Hey gskam, do your pathological lying self a favour and go ride your bike on the freeway.

Aug 27, 2015
Unable to debate the issue, the lurkers and snipers can only take personal shots.

You are losing.

Aug 27, 2015
estevan/otto lurks until he/she can take a personal shot.

But the issue is Mercury in the atmosphere, and the winds are from China. I know you folk love coal, but even you have to admit this.

Aug 27, 2015
The Mercury comes from Chinese coal plants.

Prove it.

And please, not with links to gay websites.

Aug 27, 2015
estevan/otto lurks until he/she can take a personal shot.

But the issue is Mercury in the atmosphere, and the winds are from China. I know you folk love coal, but even you have to admit this.


Skippy I think you read the wrong article. This one says the mercury is in the fog and comes up out of the sea. It don't say nothing about China, only that they don't know for sure the source but maybe from gold rush mining run off.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. Your link talks about China but does not mention mercury in their pollution. You just made that up and hope nobody would check. That's what you always do. Nothing personal, I am not being the bully, I am not being otto-Skippy, I am just pointing out what you have done from your very first postum here.

Aug 27, 2015
@ gkam
Prove it then. If you think you are smarter than the National Science Foundation please show more proof that just a knee jerk reaction statement.

"Dimethylmercury is more stable in the deep ocean, but we're not quite sure how it forms or where it's coming from," he said. "We found elevated levels in the surface water during upwelling, and it readily evaporates from the surface into the atmosphere, where it decomposes into monomethylmercury and gets into fog droplets."

"In California, mercury mines in the coast ranges produced large amounts of elemental mercury for use in gold mining operations, leading to contamination of watersheds throughout the state. Bacteria in soil and sediments transform elemental mercury into methylmercury compounds that are especially toxic and readily absorbed by organisms."

http://phys.org/n...tml#nRlv

We folk await your response.

Aug 27, 2015
In other news, Boy George is hurriedly making another phys.org account.

Aug 27, 2015
The issue is mercury in fog.
Your OPINION is that it blows from China.
My "side" in this is that you need to prove what you state, rather than just blowhard your way through. I have no love for coal power at all. I have PV, some solar hot water, and a wind turbine on my property.

Do you? Google maps says no.

You should practice what you preach. And preach. And preach. And preach.

http://www.oregon...nfo.aspx

Nice link you have there - but do you know the difference between ozone and mercury?

I suppose not posting 30 times a day is lurking for you, but some folk still work for a living.

The mercury comes from deep ocean wellings, we must rid ourselves of these Filthy Oceans.
The mercury comes from old mining activity, we must rid ourselves of Filthy Fortyniners.

Next time read the article instead of making a new bumpersticker.

Aug 27, 2015
Estevan/otto, thanks for the good words.

Two yolks in one egg.

Aug 27, 2015
Well, I guess I'll have to let denglish and Estevan/otto make fools out of themselves. Ira is not worth the trouble.

Here is a start:
http://www.natura...ury.html

Aug 27, 2015
Next time read the article instead of making a new bumpersticker.

hahahaha classic.

The Mercury comes from Chinese coal plants.

Prove it.

And please, not with links to gay websites.

I did find this, showing wind patterns. Those Chinese sure are crafty!

https://en.wikipe...arth.png


Aug 27, 2015
What is your fixation on gay websites? It is starting be be telling.
Do you have a confession?

We don't care where you put your Willie.

Aug 27, 2015
What is your fixation on gay websites?

That you sent me to one trying to make a point on the forums. I don't care what you do there, but it ain't my thing.

You don't even know how old I am. You are very careless. How many children have you sent to gay websites?

Now:

The Mercury comes from Chinese coal plants.

Prove it.

And please, not with links to gay websites.

Aug 27, 2015
Back on "Ignore".

Sorry, denglish, but between your frightful nastiness and silly opinions, you are not worth the trouble.

Bye-bye.

Aug 27, 2015
The Mercury comes from Chinese coal plants.

Prove it.

And please, not with links to gay websites.

Aug 28, 2015
Gkam "frightful nastines and silly opinions." The pan calling the kettle black.
The article is saying that here we found another source of mercury that does not seem to have been considered - the water settling out of sea spray. The story about mercury from Chinese coal is not this story. That story may indeed be true, or not. But it is not relevant to the story about mercury welling up from deep oceans and somehow getting into water caught from our roofs.

Aug 28, 2015
Nice source gkam. Here are other articles by the same author:

http://www.shiftf...d-years/

https://lucas2012...ry-2015/

http://mysciencea...esearch/

After reading ALL the sources of the article you presented I saw No reference to mercury in fog or even over the United States.

Really now, an anti vaccinator as a source?

Looks like Fortyniners after all. But we have Seahawks to get rid of those pesky things.

And to clarify: I don't care if the source is China or not, I just want the bumpersticker outburst to be backed up by at least common knowledge, if not real scientific study.

If you can't tell the difference between Otto and I, then you are just stupid.


Aug 28, 2015
"If you can't tell the difference between Otto and I, then you are just stupid."
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By your actions are you known.

Aug 28, 2015
By your actions are you known.


Then you got to appreciate how much you look like Sarah Palin pretending to be a new agey liberal.

Aug 28, 2015
" the water settling out of sea spray. The story about mercury from Chinese coal is not this story. That story may indeed be true, or not. But it is not relevant to the story about mercury welling up from deep oceans and somehow getting into water caught from our roofs."
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From where does that Mercury arise? How do you think that Mercury gets into the pacific? Did you not see the citation it travels across the seas and also dumps in Japan? Know which way the winds blow?

Did you not see how we are getting the Fukushima nastiness on the West Coast now? And nobody said the "whole United States", as you allege.

I have yet to get the report regarding the information, because if I did, one of the anonymous lurkers, denglish or otto would misrepresent it than attack on the basis of the misrepresentation, like above.

Aug 28, 2015
I have yet to get the report regarding the information,


Hooyeei Skippy. You finally tell the trut there.

because if I did, one of the anonymous lurkers,


Would ask you to back up your report with something other than buzzy words and bumper sticker slogans.

would misrepresent it than attack on the basis of the misrepresentation, like above.


Pointing to your pretending and making up "facts" off the top of your head is not misrepresentioningof you Skippy. It's just letting you know that you came to the wrong place to try to pretend you really know what you are talking about. You should have just stuck with the new-agey blog places.

Aug 28, 2015
The Mercury comes from Chinese coal plants.

Prove it.

And please, not with links to gay websites.

Peter Gabriel:
I'd rather trust a man who doesn't shout what he's found,
There's no need to sell if you're homeward bound.
If I chose a side,
He won't take me for a ride.

Aug 28, 2015
Gosh, Ira, who would trust you with information now? I sent you the front page of the Base Newspaper of the Air force Flight Test Center with the story of how I earned Airman of the Month there, and you said it was about me talking to the Rotary Club. Nice misrepresentation, and a glimpse into your little ego.

So your other half, otto, used that to claim I was lying. Nice work, toots.

You understand no science, so why are you here instead of watching Hee-Haw on re-runs?

Aug 28, 2015
Gosh, Ira, who would trust you with information now?


Somebody who knows what they are talking about without tripping over the buzzy words like you do.

I sent you the front page of the Base Newspaper of the Air force Flight Test Center with the story of how I earned Airman of the Month there,


When I ask for proof of your master degrees and junior diplomas and six different kinds of senior engineers that's all I got.

and you said it was about me talking to the Rotary Club.


Another GREAT BIG LIE. I never said that. I said the Rotary Club give to you a free meal, just like the newsletter said. You lie, I do not.

Aug 28, 2015
"Another GREAT BIG LIE. I never said that. I said the Rotary Club give to you a free meal, just like the newsletter said."
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It was no newsletter, it was the front page for the paper of the Air Force Flight Test Center, during its famous years of X-planes and hypersonic flight.. The Air Force Flight Test Center includes all of Edwards, Test Pilot School, NASA, all the special projects, U-2s, blackbirds, Mach Three intercontinental bombers,and rocket planes we used to train Apollo astronauts.

It also included our other lakebeds, such as Cuddeback, Mud Lake, and Groom Lake, what the goobers call Area 51. Yup, it is an auxiliary airfield of Edwards.

No Ira, I will not let your misrepresentations stand. I am sorry you have such an uninteresting life. Mine has been interesting and fruitful.

Aug 28, 2015
When will the scare mongering stop. Give us more grant money or you all will die. Ban Coal! Ban Fossil Energy! Ban Pesticides! In short ban everything that has increased mankind's life span by leaps and bounds over the past hundred years. Please put us in charge, It's for the children!!!!!

Aug 28, 2015
No Ira, I will not let your misrepresentations stand.


Yes glam-Skippy you will. Because I type out the whole entirely article word for word (even the misspelling words) without leaving any word out and without putting any extra words in. It said exactly what I said it said.

I am sorry you have such an uninteresting life.


I ain't complaining, life has been good to me. (Probably better than I deserve if I had to tell the trut.)

Mine has been interesting and fruitful.


Sure it has, that's why you have to spend so much time trying relive the glory days.

If that was true you wouldn't be so frantic and silly about trying to convince peoples you did all those things It would be enough just know you had done them and not worry about whether the "goobers" were fooled by your tall tales of having the expertise without being the expert at anything..

Aug 28, 2015
"Ban Coal! Ban Fossil Energy! Ban Pesticides!"
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Suck up coal fumes! Take your Mercury like a man!

Are you afraid of radionuclides lodging in your lungs? Coward!

I think the rest of us will have very different reactions, 166.

Aug 28, 2015
"Suck up coal fumes! Take your Mercury like a man!
Are you afraid of radionuclides lodging in your lungs? Coward!
I think the rest of us will have very different reactions, 166."

Yup Gkam the next time you see fog be sure to put on your gas mask. I hope it does not ruin your tinfoil hat.

Aug 28, 2015
When in doubt talk about yourself. And you sure are in doubt.
Now you say ol' IRA is Otto. If you can't tell Ira from Otto... Mad as a hatter I say.

I did not " allege" anything about the "whole United States". I reported that your article and sources of your article (written by an anti vaccination zealot!) did not mention fog or the United States at all.

I guess I just have to believe the real scientists after all.

Aug 28, 2015
You must be a very lonely man to come to a site where 6 people tell you you are a twit and you still don't get the message. Do you really need this?

Aug 28, 2015
"After reading ALL the sources of the article you presented I saw No reference to mercury in fog or even over the United States."

and "I guess I just have to believe the real scientists after all."
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Thanks for waking up!

Aug 28, 2015
You must be a very lonely man to come to a site where 6 people tell you you are a twit and you still don't get the message


And 60 members of his own tribe don't seem to think he is honest enough to defend.

Aug 28, 2015
"You must be a very lonely man to come to a site where 6 people tell you you are a twit and you still don't get the message."
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Este, you do not get it. You folk think you can wiki yourself into an education?

This is fun, dealing with the less-than-honest, ego-driven goobers. I am real, you are not. It matters not what you post, you are just an anonymous lurker, a sniper hiding behind a phony name.

Sooner or later you will accidentally see I am correct, really had that life, and you did not. That's enough for me.

Aug 28, 2015
I'm still trying to figure out how Chinese winds get here.

https://en.wikipe...arth.png

Aug 28, 2015
"You folk think you can wiki yourself into an education?" - Actually, noone thinks that but you.
I went to college for mine, and graduated with a real degree. No you can't see it. And I don't see any Wiki links on the page, do you?

So whats less than honest? If you think that posting personal info on the web makes you more "real" than someone else then you are either naive, delusional or both. I respond to the name I have given to myself, just like you do.

I don't know why you call people snipers, and lurkers, we all are here at different times according to our individual schedules. Perhaps it is your age. You can't conceive that the person that answers to a name is a person.

Why I have to prove I have a life is beyond me, you don't seem to have much of one if you have to tell everyone about it.

Can't find anything abut the fog and China, can you?

Denglish your map is too simple, wind patterns occasionally carry pollution from China to the US.

Aug 28, 2015
OOps, sorry Mr. Ira, I hit the wrong star button. Meant to 5 it.

Aug 28, 2015
"I don't know why you call people snipers, and lurkers,"
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Because you use a phony name and refuse to take responsibility for your arguments. It is like hiding in some Undisclosed Location screaming "Bring 'em on!".

You know who I am,. and I am not afraid to tell you. The rest of you may have good reasons for hiding, I am open.

Why do you lurk and automatically give otto ones? Afraid to tell him/her who you are? Are you afraid of otto, the sniper?

Not me. Those snipers and lurkers are personal cowards.

Aug 28, 2015
"And 60 members of his own tribe don't seem to think he is honest enough to defend."
---------------------------------

Been sucking up too much gas from the anaerobic digestion of vegetation in the swamps? I have no "tribe" let alone count them. The only tribes I saw in your area were the hordes of huge roaches! Immense roaches, the State Insect!

Aug 28, 2015
OOps, sorry Mr. Ira, I hit the wrong star button. Meant to 5 it.


Non problem at all Cher.

I don't come here to give my life some kind of meaning. Or trying to get peoples going ooh and aaah, over all my expertise while I am not claiming to be the expert at the same time I am claiming to be the master degree and junior diploma and six kinds of senior engineer with the Air Forces newsletter saying I dropped out of (three) colleges and won the $25 prize for being in air plane radio school.

I like just being a regular Skippy who enjoys his life and what he's got out of it. I don't feel the need to make peoples think I am anything more than that.

Aug 28, 2015
I have no "tribe" let alone count them.


Skippy, every man has a tribe. It's part of what makes us humans.

The only tribes I saw in your area were the hordes of huge roaches!


So you are the racist on top of being a blow-hard and braggart? Any of the New Orleans Tribes would make you poop your pants if you ever seen one of the Wildmans (day time or night time). Choot, the Flag-boy would make you cry. Glad you tripped up and showed your true colors.

Aug 28, 2015
"I like just being a regular Skippy who enjoys his life and " hides behind a phony name to take shots at folk who have done what you did not.

Aug 28, 2015
So gkam, posting under my real name and saying you were a senile dumbass would be taking responsibility for my words and actions, but posting under Estevan57 and saying you were a fine gentleman would be lurking and sniping?

Please clarify this for me.

Ira, I like that you are a regular unpretentious guy. You may be the most opposite person from gkam on the site. The radio hobby is most cool and interesting. If Obama rides your boat say hi for me.

Aug 28, 2015
" Any of the New Orleans Tribes would make you poop your pants "
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Because you did? With what are you threatening me?

No, I do not need to be protected by your tribes. Banding together for survival is not necessary in more advanced societies.

Aug 28, 2015
" Any of the New Orleans Tribes would make you poop your pants "
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Because you did? With what are you threatening me?


Non Cher. I can go any where in Louisiana I want to go. Not because I am a bad man or tuff. Because I know how to conduct my self. Part of that is not feeling the urge to refer to the New Orleans Indians as cock-roaches. I got less affinity for racists then I do for lying braggarts and blow-hards Skippy

No, I do not need to be protected by your tribes.


Non, maybe not by my tribe. But you do need to be protected by your tribe.

Banding together for survival is not necessary in more advanced societies.


I am sure you think that means something. But it is another empty slogans. ALL peoples have to belong to a "tribe". It's part of being human and you can't separate human from the tribe without him losing his humanness.

Aug 28, 2015
" refer to the New Orleans Indians as cock-roaches"
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Stop it! I did not. I was talking of the REAL roaches consuming the gulf states.

We are all people, none better than others. In fact, the best engineers with whom I worked were there. Your silly game of playing the barefoot goober matters not to me.

Perhaps your ego will not allow you to see what the words mean?

Aug 28, 2015
Here is my view of your land and people, and we must do something to save it. You can denigrate my Master of Science, but it will be one of us who helps you out.

http://www.bbc.co...34053365


Aug 28, 2015
Here is my view of your land and people, and we must do something to save it.


Non Cher, WE need to do something to save it.

You can denigrate my Master of Science,


How can I denigrate something I don't believe you have? I asked you 50 or 49 times to send me a picture of it. The only thing you sent was the newsletter from the Air Forces about you winning a prize.

You don't have a picture of your degrees? All this "I am real, and not afraid to tell you who I am" foolishment and you can not name the schools what give to you the degrees and diplomas? Did they give to you the master degrees and then swear you to secrecy? Well, actually if I gave you one, I would not want word to get around either.

but it will be one of us who helps you out.


I can gar-ran-tee you Skippy it won't be some couyon on the interweb writing silly slogans that helps us. Non, non, non Cher. I feel pretty sure it won't be you.

Aug 28, 2015
Hey, Goober, I am not going to send you anything else. You lied about the NASA set of reports I sent, and misrepresented the front page of the Air Force newspaper. You saw pictures of us in uniform in the war, and could only opine about the "funny hats".

You don't get to see it. Question it all you want.

Go ask your dad if he wore a "funny hat" in Vietnam.

Aug 28, 2015
You don't get to see it.


I do not get to see him? Well Skippy I am shocked, I just knew that it was going to get shown to somebody. You let me down and disappoint me, you should be ashamed of your self for changing your mind at this last minute, eh?

Question it all you want.


Since you say so, I think I might do that me.

Go ask your dad if he wore a "funny hat" in Vietnam.


Non, don't need to ask him. I seen the pictures of them too. He was a tattered and dirty and ragged thing he called a "boonie hat". His hat he looked manly and warrior like.

Choot, those things you had on in the picture didn't look like they had been within a hundred miles of a war. Matter the fact, they look like they just came off the hat factory shelf, how you keep him so clean and stiff while fighting the war anyway?

Aug 28, 2015
Some of us were deemed too valuable to be used as bullet-stops. They sent me to technical school for a long time, and I was very valuable to them, helping out in technical fields. You "forget" I enlisted, because of the schools, and worked as hard as I could. It paid off.

You didn't see my hat from the swamps in the Gulf where we tested the equipment in those disgusting mosquito and roach-infested conditions for the month of July, 1967. It probably smelled like yours.

Aug 28, 2015
Hey, Goober, I am not going to send you anything else. You lied about the NASA set of reports I sent, and misrepresented the front page of the Air Force newspaper. You saw pictures of us in uniform in the war, and could only opine about the "funny hats"
Ira didnt lie, YOU did. What you sent said nothing about what you claim to know.

It only indicated that you are impressed by being one of hundreds of 'airmen of the month'. And it revealed that you are a dropout who couldnt have earned a degree.
Here is my view of your land and people, and we must do something to save it
You really think that a lying, raving posturer like you can do anything to benefit your cause? You just provide good reasons why any cause you support must be concocted by frothing lloonies just like you.
You can denigrate my Master of Science, but it will be one of us who helps you out
You have no MS. Period.

Aug 28, 2015
Back on "Ignore".

Sorry, denglish, but between your frightful nastiness and silly opinions, you are not worth the trouble.

Bye-bye.
Thats ok. He isnt posting for you. He is posting for all the people here who need to know just what you are.

2.2 george. Your detractors are having the right effect.

Aug 28, 2015
Some of us were deemed too valuable to be used as bullet-stops. They sent me to technical school for a long time, and I was very valuable to them, helping out in technical fields.

He did a lot of secret stuff too. Just ask, he'll tell you all about it.


Aug 28, 2015
I guess I will have to send Ira a picture of my tech bench at Korat. It won't look like your radio. Perhaps you will understand why cleanliness, even in disgusting conditions is important in technology.

My hands were clean, too. That's because oils from hands and fingers can oxidize to acids, creating an electrical offset between the leads and the socket conductors, if the leads are touched. That played hell with our Wilcox 807 VHF Transceivers before corrected it.

Aug 28, 2015
You can denigrate my Master of Science
--gskam
Yep, you got a Masters just like those solar panels on your roof...oh wait...you don't.

Aug 28, 2015
I guess I will have to send Ira a picture of my tech bench at Korat. It won't look like your radio. Perhaps you will understand why cleanliness, even in disgusting conditions is important in technology.

My hands were clean too. That's because oils from hands and fingers can oxidize to acids, creating an electrical offset between the leads and the socket conductors, if the leads are touched. That played hell with our Wilcox 807 VHF Transceivers before corrected it


Well okayeei. Boy that round of buzzy words sure brought me on board glam-Skippy. Why you did not talk like you knew something before? Now that I see that you really know what the heck you are talking because of what you said right there I am going let you be the winner for the rest of the day.

Of course I can only speak for me Ira-Skippy. Somebody else might come along and tell how that sounds just like somebody pulled a bunch of words off the interweb. Yeah, you sound like real Skippy to me.

Aug 28, 2015
Yeah, you sound like real Skippy to me.

LOL

Boy George shits on another thread.

Aug 28, 2015
I just sent Ira a pic of my workbench at Korat with an ARC-51BX on it. Got no pics of all the other systems, but you can look up Igloo White to see the development of the entire system, including our huge computer center in Nahkon Phanom (NKP).

I had previously sent him the story of the development of the Electronic Battlefield and how we did it, but he ignores it.

Aug 28, 2015
Why the hell would you do that? Ira doesn't want it.

Only a 4 year enlistment and out, in the middle of a war? You probably shouldn't call other people cowards.

That mercury is really taking its toll. Remember mercury? Of course not.

Aug 29, 2015
I just sent Ira a pic of my workbench at Korat with an ARC-51BX on it. Got no pics of all the other systems, but you can look up Igloo White to see the development of the entire system, including our huge computer center in Nahkon Phanom (NKP).

I had previously sent him the story of the development of the Electronic Battlefield and how we did it, but he ignores it.


Well he is the pretty picture. I tried to blow him up real big so I could make out your name on the cover of the notebook but it was too little.

Why you don't send the picture of the degrees and diplomas with your name on him? You always sent the silly stuffs that don't prove anything.

Why you can not even name the school that give to you the degrees and diplomas? Are you ashamed of the school you went to? Was it one of those interweb places that give out the degree for $25?

Aug 29, 2015
"Notebook"? Those were the Technical Orders. To you folk they are the very technical descriptions of the architecture, operation and maintenance of the complex system.

Shall I identify the test equipment for you? Can you separate the RF Signal Generator from the Audio Sig Gen? The HP oscilloscope from the VTVM? How many Tektronix scopes? Wonder what the hemostats are for?

What kind of radio do you use? You are not even a diddy-bop, but more like "Breaker! Breaker!"?

See, we can both play your silly game of personal insults, and I have yet to start.

Aug 29, 2015
Shall I identify the test equipment for you?


Why would I want you to do that? I might even know what every one of those things are. But you probably will try to get it in anyway even if you get it wrong.

Can you separate the RF Signal Generator from the Audio Sig Gen?


Yes I can as the matter of the fact. RF top on the left and AF is top on the right.

The HP oscilloscope from the VTVM?


Since a VTVM does not have a CRT why you think I can't do that?

How many Tektronix scopes?


Uh? None?

Wonder what the hemostats are for?


Uh? Heat sink so glam-Skippy don't mess up and over heat the stuffs while he is soldering stuffs?

Shall I identify the test equipment for you?


That won't be necessary but it would really nice if you would identify the the school that gave you the master degree and junior diplomas.

Aug 29, 2015
That's pretty good. You found the VTVM,but missed the small Tektronix scope (our HP scopes are flat, for rack-mounting). They go from L-R on the top rack, partial shot of audio sig gen, RF Sig Gen, Tektronix scope, RF Wattmeter, VTVM, and something I do not remember. On the bench is a special test set made for the ARC-51.

No, you blew your chance to see the degree.

Aug 29, 2015
No, you blew your chance to see the degree.


Cher, I am shocked to hear that. I just knew that you were going to send it to me soon.

Since you like naming things that you think make you sound smart, did the school that give you the degree and diploma have a name? Did they swear you to keep it secret because they didn't want to look foolish for giving glam-Skippy the degree?

Aug 29, 2015
Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

Aug 29, 2015
Show me yours and I'll show you mine.


How I going to show you master degrees when I never got one? You are the one who keeps saying he is the master degree guy and the real guy who is not hiding and is brave and courageous and fears neither man or beast either. Why you ashamed to even name the school which give him to you?

Aug 29, 2015
My hands were clean, too. That's because oils from hands and fingers can oxidize to acids, creating an electrical offset between the leads and the socket conductors, if the leads are touched. That played hell with our Wilcox 807 VHF Transceivers before corrected it
Interesting that you mention hand washing even though it has nothing to do with the topic.

"Most people with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) fall into one of the following categories:

"Washers are afraid of contamination. They usually have cleaning or hand-washing compulsions."

-There is a definite connection between OCD and psychopathy.

Are you being treated for OCD down at the VA psycho ward?

Aug 29, 2015
Show me yours and I'll show you mine.
- gkam
It's always about you, isn't it George.

I think your wife would be ashamed of the abuse that you have heaped on you every day.

What would she say about the fact that you have annoyed everyone you come in contact with on this site? She would tell you to get a new hobby.

Really now, sending someone a picture of a workbench full of radio equipment is just pathetic.
Especially when he asked for something else that you don't have.

Aug 29, 2015
Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

You are getting confused gskam. This is physorg not one of those gay sites you frequent.

Aug 29, 2015
ottovan57 is hilarious.

Aug 30, 2015
From where does that Mercury arise? How do you think that Mercury gets into the pacific?


There's plenty of mercury in the sea already. While the Chinese/Asian coal power is responsible for about 2/3rd the world atmospheric mercury emission, it really dilutes to such a huge volume of water that blaming them specifically for contaminating the Californian coast is just pure homeopathy. There are 187 quintillion gallons of water in the Pacific ocean to dilute into, and the atmospheric mercury emission are in the thousands of tons per year.

That's why the mercury cannot be from distant diffuse sources like China, and has to come from more concentrated localized sources nearer to home. If you pick a gallon of water near the US coast, you'd be lucky to find a handful of atoms of mercury that came from China.

The mercury in California actually comes from natural deposits, toxic waste dumping over the last 100 years, and local coal power.

Aug 30, 2015
For reference, if you took the US coal power mercury emissions and diluted them into the top 100 feet of water of the Pacific Ocean, it would come out as roughly 0.00000000016 grams of mercury per gallon, or 0.16 nanograms per gallon per year. Most of it just sediments down to the ocean floor, because elemental mercury doesn't take part in biological activity.

The concentration of course is higher nearer to the source and lower further away, so you'd be lucky to find femtograms of US mercury in waters near the Chinese coast, and vice versa.

That's also the reason why things Cesium emissions from Fukushima etc. are really just an academic concern rather than a real practical hazard for people. There's already more radioactive materials in the Californian coastal waters from local industrial and natural sources such as erosion than what ever washes ashore from Japan.


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