Dark matter map begins to reveal the universe's early history

Dark matter map begins to reveal the universe's early history
Figure 1: A 14 arc minute by 9.5 arc minute section of a Hyper Suprime-Cam image, with contour lines showing the dark matter distribution. A higher resolution images is available by clicking the image. An image with just the background galaxies is available here. There is also a scalable image available in color and black and white. Credit: NAOJ/HSC Project

Researchers from the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan (NAOJ), the University of Tokyo and other institutions have begun a wide-area survey of the distribution of dark matter in the universe using Hyper Suprime-Cam, a new wide-field camera installed on the Subaru Telescope in Hawai'i. Initial results from observations covering an area of 2.3 square degrees on the sky toward the constellation Cancer revealed nine large concentrations of dark matter, each the mass of a galaxy cluster (Movie, Figure 1). Surveying how dark matter is distributed and how the distribution changes over time is essential to understanding the role of dark energy that controls the expansion of the universe. These first results demonstrate that astronomers now have the techniques and tools to understand dark energy. The next step is for the research team to expand the survey to cover a thousand square degrees on the sky, and thereby unravel the mystery of dark energy and the expansion of the universe.

Mapping over a wide region is key to understanding the properties of dark energy, which controls the expansion of the universe. These early results demonstrate that with current research techniques and Hyper Suprime-Cam, the team is now ready to explore how the distribution of dark matter in the universe has changed over time, unravel the mystery of dark energy, and explore the universeʻs expansion history with great detail.

Hyper Suprime-Cam lead developer, Dr. Satoshi Miyazaki, from the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan's Advanced Technology Center and leader of the research team, praised the ability of the HSC for this work. "Now we know we have the both a technique and a tool for understanding dark energy. We are ready to use Hyper Suprime-Cam to create a 1000 square degree dark matter map that will reveal the expansion history of the universe with precise detail."

Using weak lensing by dark matter to study dark energyʻs effects

Ever since 1929, when astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe is expanding, astronomers used a working model that had the rate of expansion slowing down over time. Gravitational attraction, until recently the only known force acting between galaxies, works against expansion. However, in the 1990s, studies of distant supernovae showed that the universe is expanding faster today than it was in the past. This discovery required a dramatic shift in our understanding of physics: either there is some kind of "dark energy" with a repulsive force that forces galaxies apart, or the physics of gravity needs some fundamental revision.

Numerous galaxies from Subaru Telescope's Hyper Suprime-Cam, and a map of dark matter determined by weak lensing analysis. The video is downloadable here (File size approx. 160 MB). Credit: NAOJ/HSC Project

To unravel the mystery of the universe's accelerating expansion, it is helpful to look at the relationship between the rate expansion of the universe and the rate at which astronomical objects form. For example, if the universe is expanding quickly, it will take longer for matter to coalesce and form galaxies. Conversely, if the universe is expanding slowly, it is easier for structures like galaxies to form. In effect, there is a direct link between the history of structure formation in the universe, and the history of the universe's expansion. The challenge in confirming the existence of dark matter and its effect on expansion is that most of the matter in the universe is dark and does not emit light. It cannot be detected directly by telescopes, which are light-collecting machines.

One technique that can overcome this challenge is the detection and analysis of "weak lensing". A concentration of dark matter acts as a lens that bends light coming from even more distant objects. By analyzing how that background light is bent and how the lensing distorts the shapes of the background objects, it is possible to determine how dark matter is distributed in the foreground. This analysis of dark matter and its effects lets astronomers determine how it has assembled over time. The assembly history of dark matter can be related to the expansion history of the universe, and should reveal some of the physical properties of dark energy, its strength and how it has changed over time.

To get a sufficient amount of data, astronomers need to observe galaxies more than a billion light-years away, across an area greater than a thousand square degrees (about one fortieth of the entire sky). The combination of the Subaru telescope, with its 8.2-meter diameter aperture, and Suprime-Cam, Hyper Suprime-Cam's predecessor, with a field of view of a tenth of a square degree (comparable to the size of the full moon), has been one of the most successful tools in the search of faint distant objects over a wide area of sky.

However, even for this powerful combo, surveying a thousand degrees of sky at the necessary depth is not realistic. "This is why we spent 10 years to develop Hyper Suprime-Cam, a camera with the same of better image quality as Suprime-Cam, but with a field of view over seven times larger," said Dr. Satoshi Miyazaki.

Dark matter map begins to reveal the universe's early history
Figure 2: Hyper Suprime-Cam at Subaru telescope's prime focus. Credit: NAOJ/HSC Project

Hyper Suprime-Cam was installed on the Subaru Telescope in 2012. Following test observations, it was made available for open use by the astronomy community in March 2014 (Figure 2). A "strategic" observing program, consisting of more than 300 nights of observing over five years is also underway. The camera, with 870 million pixels, delivers images that cover an area of sky as large as nine full moons in a single exposure, with extremely little distortion, at a fine resolution of seven thousandths of a degree (0.5 arc seconds).

Researchers from NAOJ, the University of Tokyo, and collaborators analyzed test data from Hyper Suprime-Cam's commissioning to see how well it could map dark matter using the weak lensing technique. The data from a two-hour exposure covering 2.3 square degrees revealed crisp images of numerous galaxies. By measuring their individual shapes, the team created a map of the dark matter hiding in the foreground. The result was the discovery of nine clumps of dark matter, each weighing as much a galaxy cluster. The reliability of the weak lensing analysis, and the resulting dark matter maps, have been confirmed by observations with other telescopes that show actual galaxy clusters corresponding to the dark matter clumps discovered by Hyper Suprime-Cam. They utilized the archived Deep Lens Survey (PI: Tony Tyson, LSST Chief Scientist) data for the optical cluster identification.

Dark matter map begins to reveal the universe's early history
Figure 3: The data show a clear excess of dark matter concentrations over the current best theoretical model. Right: A schematic showing the dark matter concentrations discovered in the Hyper Suprime-Cam data. Left: A schematic showing predictions from current theoretical models. Credit: NAOJ/HSC Project

The number of galaxy clusters found by Hyper Suprime-Cam exceeds predictions from current models of the universe's early history (Figure 3). As the research team expands the dark matter map to their goal of a thousand square degrees, the data should reveal whether this excess is real or just a statistical fluke. If the excess is real, it suggests that there was not as much as expected in the past, which allows the universe to expand gently and stars and galaxies to form quickly.

Using weak lensing to map dark matter distribution is a way to discover astronomical objects using their mass, to learn that something exists and how much it weighs at the same time. It gives a direct measurement of mass that is typically unavailable when using other methods of discovery. Therefore, mass maps of dark matter are an essential tool for understanding the expansion history of the precisely and accurately.


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Jul 02, 2015
Re DM statistics of the early universe, and if the early survey isn't just a fluke*, another article today say that the number of small early galaxies have been overestimated 1-2 oom by earlier models. So the DM total can be pretty much correct anyway.

*Which it likely is. It is a teaser when they find something that doesn't fit the models with scarce statistics, but it will happen.

"Hyper Suprime-Cam".

Cosmology is really into inflation. That is even worse than the "Embiggened Extremely Large Telescope"! [EELT; https://en.wikipe...elescope ]

Jul 02, 2015
The notions of dark matter and the dark matter particle are incorrect. The mass which fills 'empty' space is beginning to be referred to as the 'dark mass' in order to distinguish it from the baggage associated with dark matter.

'Dark Energy/Dark Mass: The Slient Truth'
https://tienzengo...t-truth/

"That is, all that we are certain about [is] the dark mass, not dark matter, let alone to say about the dark 'particle'."

Particles of matter move through and displace the dark mass, including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters.

The Milky Way moves through and displaces the dark mass.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass.

The Milky Way moves through and curves spacetime.

The Milky Way's halo is curved spacetime.

The state of displacement of the dark mass *is* curved spacetime.

Jul 02, 2015
The mass which fills 'empty' space is beginning to be referred to as the 'dark mass'
By whom?
The Milky Way moves through and displaces the dark mass.
Not according to observations of various galaxy mergers, which show in a variety of ways that dark matter sloshes through visible (baryonic) matter without interacting at all, with either the visible matter or even itself, other than gravitationally. Baryonic matter does not displace dark matter, and doesn't appear to interact with it in any way that we've been able to detect or discern.

Jul 03, 2015
By whom?


By those capable of understanding the notion dark matter is a clump of stuff traveling with the matter is incorrect.

'Cosmologists at Penn Weigh Cosmic Filaments and Voids'
http://www.upenn....nd-voids

"Dark matter ... permeate[s] all the way to the center of the voids."

'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space'
http://www.dailyg...ce-.html

"A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter."

'Dark matter' which fills 'empty' space is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

Jul 03, 2015
Not according to observations of various galaxy mergers, which show in a variety of ways that dark matter sloshes through visible (baryonic) matter without interacting at all.


'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the Universe'
http://www.wired....k-force/

"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies. Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something — perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself in a completely new an unexpected way, a "dark force" that affects only dark matter."

It's not a new force. It's the dark mass displaced by each of the galaxy clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which pass by each other.

Jul 03, 2015
Not according to observations of various galaxy mergers, which show in a variety of ways that dark matter sloshes through visible (baryonic) matter without interacting at all, with either the visible matter or even itself, other than gravitationally.


The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is caused by an interaction.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.g...ure.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

The 'pond' consists of dark mass. The galaxy clusters are moving through and displacing the dark mass. The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is a wave in the dark mass.

Jul 03, 2015
Dark matter' which fills 'empty' space is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.
No, dark matter filling space says nothing about how it interacts. For baryonic matter to displace dark matter, it would have to collide with it. But not even light collides with it. It doesn't even collide with itself (so far as we've been able to detect -- a rotating black hole may provide such evidence if it exhibits a bright enough bulge in gamma rays...)

Jul 03, 2015
The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is a wave in the dark mass.
No, that's not what the article reports that the scientists said. They said other research indicated a merger event 1 - 2 billion years ago, so it appears that the dark matter fell towards the center, and then sloshed back out forming the ring -- showing it didn't even collide with itself, much less any of the baryonic matter of two merged galaxies.

Jul 03, 2015
It doesn't even collide with itself (so far as we've been able to detect --


'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the Universe'
http://www.wired....k-force/

"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies. Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something — perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself in a completely new an unexpected way, a "dark force" that affects only dark matter."

It's not a new force. It's the dark mass displaced by each of the galaxy clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which pass by each other.

Jul 03, 2015
The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is a wave in the dark mass.
No, that's not what the article reports that the scientists said. They said other research indicated a merger event 1 - 2 billion years ago, so it appears that the dark matter fell towards the center, and then sloshed back out forming the ring -- showing it didn't even collide with itself, much less any of the baryonic matter of two merged galaxies.


It fell toward the center and then sloshed back out analogous to the bow waves of two boats which pass by each other closely. The bow waves fall toward the center and then slosh back out. The falling toward the center and the sloshing back out is caused by the boats moving through and displacing the water.

The galaxy clusters are moving through and displacing the dark mass.

Jul 03, 2015
....other than gravitationally


Baryonic matter does not displace dark matter, and doesn't appear to interact with it in any way that we've been able to detect or discern.


.....first you say, "other than gravitationally". Then you say , "in any way we've been able to detect or discern".

So just explain to this Electrical/Nuclear Engineer how these two forms of matter seem never able to mix?

Are we now dealing with "flavors of gravity" as we have flavors of matter as has been postulated for quarks?

You must think "flavors of gravity fields" are able to distinctly disassociate DM from Baryonic? How does this work? Contrived clumpiness?

So how about you & JT get together & come up with the Field Equations for these two distinct flavors of gravity for your new theories of General Relativity, write a paper, get it peer previewed then reviewed, then get it published so we can better comprehend why you think you're so much smarter than Einstein.

Jul 03, 2015
The vacuum of space [has] physical structure which determine[s] the interaction between elementary particles.


'Empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

I use the term 'dark mass' to describe the mass which fills 'empty' space.

A moving particle has an associated wave in the dark mass.

Q. Why is the particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment?
A. The particle always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the dark mass which passes through both.

The wave of wave-particle duality is a wave in the dark mass.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the dark mass.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality; both are waves in the dark mass.

Dark mass displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Jul 03, 2015
But they do! They interact via gravity ...


Dark mass is displaced by matter.

The state of displacement of the dark mass is curved spacetime.

The state of displacement of the dark mass *is* gravity.

Jul 03, 2015
'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the Universe'
http://www.wired....k-force/
Your link doesn't work, try this one:
http://www.wired....er-core/

It's not a new force. It's the dark mass displaced by each of the galaxy clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which pass by each other.
Wrong, self-interaction was listed as a possibility, followed by, "But this goes against many other observations, which suggest that clumps of dark matter pass through each other with very little interaction." Also, the dark matter core may contain additional galaxies too faint for Hubble to detect. Also, the merger of 3 - 4 giant galaxies may have been complex enough to "plausibly leave behind a lone dark matter core." The scientists mentioned a way to figure out which possibility is more likely...

Cont'd >

Jul 03, 2015
> Cont'd

The scientists mentioned, "Astronomers are now building computer simulations to see if this could account for the dark matter's behavior."

And here are some results from Kahlhoefer et al. who used observations of the 'Bullet Cluster', Abell 520, and the 'Musket Ball Cluster' along with numerical simulations to find, "Our central observation is that the momentum transfer cross section sigma_T of DM self-interactions is insufficient to completely characterize the behavior of the system and the properties of the separation." See http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.3419

Jul 03, 2015
"Our central observation is that the momentum transfer cross section sigma_T of DM self-interactions is insufficient to completely characterize the behavior of the system and the properties of the separation." See http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.3419


Correct. It's not just the self-interactions which are causing the observed behaviors. The dark mass is also being displaced by the galaxy clusters.

Two boats are moving through and displacing the water. The boats pass by each other closely. The bow waves fall together and then slosh back out. The bow waves falling together and then sloshing back out is caused by the water being displaced by the boats.

The galaxy clusters are moving through and displacing the dark mass. The galaxy clusters pass by each other. The dark mass falls together and then sloshes back out. The dark mass falling together and then sloshing back out is caused by the galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the dark mass.

Jul 03, 2015
... the Protoplasmix quote is in error; I suspect she typed too quickly, and omitted "other":

"Baryonic matter does not displace dark matter, and doesn't appear to interact with it in any OTHER way that we've been able to detect or discern."
Not quite enough caffeine for too early in the morning, thanks for the correction.

Jul 03, 2015
The dark mass is also being displaced by the galaxy clusters.
No, considering all observations and analyses (that I'm aware of), dark matter doesn't appear to interact sufficiently enough to be displaced by baryonic matter or even by itself (with respect to things like viscosity, compressibility, collisions, etc.). You need to revise your thinking and put some numbers in...

Jul 03, 2015
Not quite enough caffeine for too early in the morning, thanks for the correction.


Which isn't correct by your very own post.

"Our central observation is that the momentum transfer cross section sigma_T of DM self-interactions is insufficient to completely characterize the behavior of the system and the properties of the separation." See http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.3419


Meaning, there is more interacting than just the self-interacting.

The galaxy clusters are moving through and displacing the dark mass. The galaxy clusters pass by each other. The dark mass falls together and then sloshes back out. The dark mass falling together and then sloshing back out is caused by the galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the dark mass.

Jul 03, 2015
The dark mass is also being displaced by the galaxy clusters.
No, considering all observations and analyses (that I'm aware of), dark matter doesn't appear to interact sufficiently enough to be displaced by baryonic matter or even by itself (with respect to things like viscosity, compressibility, collisions, etc.).


It's interaction with matter is what causes it to ripple.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.g...ure.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

The 'pond' consists of dark mass. The galaxy clusters are moving through and displacing the dark mass. The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is a wave in the dark mass.

Jul 03, 2015
There is evidence of the dark mass every time a double slit experiment is performed; it's what waves.

Jul 03, 2015
Which isn't correct by your very own post
You need to revise your thinking, put some numbers in, and work on reading comprehension...

Meaning, there is more interacting than just the self-interacting.
No, meaning separation/distribution of dark matter can't be explained with self-interaction (if there even is any - no one has detected or observed any), and "there is more interacting than just self-interacting" is obviously (and, it appears, only) a gravitational interaction.

Jul 03, 2015
Late edit -
(if there even is any - no one has detected or observed any [interaction {other than gravitational} involving collisions, displacement, or momentum transfer, e.g., via electromagnetic, weak or strong forces] )

Jul 03, 2015
I think my mouse wheel just broke. Like I was reading the same text again and again..
I only wished to know how the boats story ended? sorry, got dizzy..

Jul 03, 2015
Dark Matter is just extradimensional. The gravity leaks between dimensions.

Jul 03, 2015
I think my mouse wheel just broke. Like I was reading the same text again and again..
I only wished to know how the boats story ended? sorry, got dizzy..
As an analogy, the boat story sinks, because the waves propagate outwards but the water doesn't. Liquid has now posted both the "ghostly ring of dark matter" link, and "galactic pile up" link twice in the same thread. Liquid seems to think that reposting, while ignoring crucial content in the linked articles, and instead applying circular logic in capital letters with asterisks, is the way to do science...

Jul 03, 2015
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Jul 03, 2015
"You are confusing dimensions with plumbing. Perhaps you should stick to plumbing."
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The words and concept are not mine, but those of cosmologists.

Perhaps you should stick to Disney.

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Jul 03, 2015
So how about you & JT get together & come up with the Field Equations for these two distinct flavors of gravity for your new theories of General Relativity


There's only one 'flavor' of gravity, so the project you recommend would be fantasy, not science


how these two forms of matter seem never able to mix?


But they do! They interact via gravity ... the Protoplasmix quote is in error; I suspect she typed too quickly, and omitted "other"
......if the two forms of matter are so gravitationally interacting, why is it so isolated from our small corner of the Universe where all the gravity in our little solar system is 100% accounted for by the visible masses contained herein? Conveniently clumpy stuff if you ask me.


Jul 03, 2015
if the two forms of matter are so gravitationally interacting, why is it so isolated from our small corner of the Universe where all the gravity in our little solar system is 100% accounted for by the visible masses contained herein? Conveniently clumpy stuff if you ask me


It isn't (100%, nor isolated).

If CDM per astronomical observations - from the CMB to lensing to rotation curves to - then its space density is very low
....according to you DM is 99% of the entire Universe & I'm still waiting to hear somebody has a single test tube of this stuff.

if the total mass of the solar system were evenly distributed over a cubic parsec, how much would be in a cubic metre? In our part of the MW,1 star per pc^3 is typical. Now if CDM:baryonic matter = 3:1, how much CDM would you expect in the solar system?
...not if CDM is 99% of the Universe that you made such a big production of that you went so far as to alter a post of mine from 90 to 99-..... 99% isn't 3:1

Jul 03, 2015
No, meaning separation/distribution of dark matter can't be explained with self-interaction (if there even is any - no one has detected or observed any) ...


It's observed every time a double slit experiment is performed; it's what waves.

Jul 03, 2015
I think my mouse wheel just broke. Like I was reading the same text again and again..
I only wished to know how the boats story ended? sorry, got dizzy..


This is like trying to convince the 'boat and water experts' who insist the water is moving with the boat like a clump of stuff analogous to how the steering wheel does that boats move through and displace the water.

Jul 03, 2015
There is evidence of the dark mass every time a double slit experiment is performed; it's what waves.

Prove it.


Every time a double slit experiment is performed and detectors are placed in the slits the particle is always detected traveling through a single slit. This is evidence the particle always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the dark mass that passes through both.

Jul 03, 2015
If you know anything about hydrodynamics ...


'Slosh' is not hydrodynamical?

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Jul 03, 2015
"Do you have a source, please?"
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WHAT? I am doubted?

I'll l try to find it, JT. It was quite some time ago.

Jul 03, 2015
"No. I'm just curious to read about it,"
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Yeah, I'm just harassing you, . . .

Let's see, . . . Perhaps here http://www.pbs.or...rse.html

or here:
http://www.nbcnew...cz_ltGGk

or here:
http://www.dailyg...rse.html

Jul 03, 2015
@Benni:
..according to you DM is 99% of the entire Universe
I do not recall making such an assertion; perhaps I was too terse? or you misunderstood what I wrote?
No wonder you have such a cloistered 5 Star voting clique, what you say one day is not what you mean the next, here it is on Jun 28:

@Benni:
the LCDM model postulates outcomes resulting in *~99%* of Universe composed of contrived models claiming more gravity exists in the Universe than can be accounted for by visible matter
Fixed that for you ... most of the ordinary (a.k.a. baryonic) matter in the universe is not 'visible'
& QT Theorists does YES or NO exist in the realm of Quantum Theory
Just so that I don't misunderstand you, are you claiming - albeit not directly - that the Standard Model (of particle physics), say, and QED are not consistent with the results of a very wide range of experiments?


Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp


Jul 03, 2015
@JT
... (but I think there are far better 'beyond GR' ideas re the nature of gravity and CDM already in the running)


So JT, better ideas beyond GR? Something for which there is no evidence of it's existence is already in the running? Straight off the plantation of Funny Farm Science. Your own words I quoted you above, that you plainly stated 99% of the Universe is missing. I guess "terse" is the new Funny Farm Science?

Jul 03, 2015
Jean, how close are the other six dimensions to our four? I contend those tiny spaces curled around us are not the sizes of the dimensions, but our contact with them. Get through that, and you will find a new world.

The gravitational interaction is high because they are so close to us.

Want proof?

Me too.

Jul 04, 2015
how close are the other six dimensions to our four?
How close are our 3d+1 to the 2d+1 of, say, graphene?
Get through that, and you will find a new world.
Doesn't look like JT hasn't "gotten through it", and that's my conjecture on conjecture. Anyway, you'll likely appreciate this--
"3d stereogram of a Calabi-Yau manifold":
http://www.youtub...xshvzK6s
Note for viewing in 3d, use the "parallel" (not the "crossed") method.

@liquidspacetime - can you make use of a Calabi-Yau manifold to explain your conjecture, since it involves both general relativity and quantum mechanics? It helps to know everything (physics) when producing a theory of everything.

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can you make use of a Calabi-Yau manifold to explain your conjecture, since it involves both general relativity and quantum mechanics? It helps to know everything (physics) when producing a theory of everything.


Let's start with the basics. Are you able to understand Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, that both are waves in the dark mass?

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Let's start with the basics. Are you able to understand Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, that both are waves in the dark mass?
I understand your assertion. And I can follow the maths - do you have any?

Specifically, gravitational waves don't scatter off intervening matter, while I'm guessing a "pilot wave" necessarily interacts with everything. Show me how you reconcile that difference, and then I have a similar question about polarization, although with the two polarizations of gravitational wave radiation, maybe it's a bit beyond the basics ...

Jul 04, 2015
It's properties differ quite a lot from naive fluid models.


'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether."

'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking Entropy'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible fluid"

''Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.4758

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the universe using superfluid aether is compatible."

Jul 04, 2015
Let's start with the basics. Are you able to understand Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, that both are waves in the dark mass?

No I can not. The mere possibility goes against observation. Also how could a tiny density of 0.3 GeV/cm3 of NON_INTERACTING DM control the behaviour of typically 10^23 atoms /cm3.
You have absolutely nothing and you'd better stick with "mainstream physics" if you ever hope to make sense.


What is incorrect in mainstream physics is the notion the dark mass does not interact with matter. It does interact with matter. The dark mass is displaced by the matter.

There is evidence of the dark mass every time a double slit experiment is performed; it's what waves.

Jul 04, 2015
Specifically, gravitational waves don't scatter off intervening matter, while I'm guessing a "pilot wave" necessarily interacts with everything. Show me how you reconcile that difference, and then I have a similar question about polarization, although with the two polarizations of gravitational wave radiation, maybe it's a bit beyond the basics ...


NON-LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS by LOUIS DE BROGLIE

"Since 1954, when this passage was written, I have come to support wholeheartedly an hypothesis proposed by Bohm and Vigier. According to this hypothesis, the random perturbations to which the particle would be constantly subjected, and which would have the probability of presence in terms of [the wave-function wave], arise from the interaction of the particle with a "subquantic medium" which escapes our observation and is entirely chaotic, and which is everywhere present in what we call "empty space"."

The "subquantic medium" is the dark mass.

Jul 04, 2015
That last assertion is yours, not De Broglie's.


"a "subquantic medium" ... which is everywhere present in what we call "empty space""

In other words, 'empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it

... and is what waves in a duoble slit experiment.

I do not see any relation between such a concept and Dark Matter.


Of course you don't. You would have to realize the notion of dark matter is incorrect. You would have to realize the notion of the dark matter moving with the Milky Way as a clump of stuff is incorrect.

You do understand the water is not moving with the boat as a clump of stuff, correct?

You do realize the boat is moving through and displacing the water, correct?

If/when you are able to understand the Milky Way is moving through and displacing the mass which fills 'empty' space then you will correctly understand what occurs physically in nature.

Jul 04, 2015
benji -
I'm still waiting ...test tube of this stuff
JeanTate replied with
When you do, you'll know that what they have is not CDM! ...(as I'm sure you know full well)
@JeanT
i am not so sure about that: Benni is here to show the world how profound her intelligence is- not to be accurate. take for instance his claims about "earth wobbles" here: year http://phys.org/n...als.html

she states on Jan 21, 2014
Interestingly enough, the wobble cycle of Earth's rotational axis seems to correlate closely with the time required for our solar system to complete a full orbital passage around the galactic core of the Milky Way
never mind that neither the Chandler wobbles nor the Milankovitch cycle matches this description (something easily checked by google) but then she takes credit for everyone knowing about it further in the thread! LOL

you should see her attempts at Differential equations!

Jul 04, 2015
What is incorrect in mainstream physics is the notion the dark mass does not interact with matter


I've gotten the impression that's what JT & the DM Enthusiasts think, which for that to happen there needs to be two different types (flavors) of gravity so mixing cannot occur. JT says "no" because he knows there is science beyond Einstein's GR.

It does interact with matter.
.....this contradicts what you wrote immediately below.

The dark mass is displaced by the matter.
.....this contradicts what you wrote immediately above.


Jul 04, 2015
Holy flying spaghetti monster...!
@mytwocts
you do know that docile is just (yet) another sock puppet for Zephir, right?
the aether wave/dense aether wave acolyte who ignores empirical evidence for the sake of his religious like belief of his own pseudoscience...

that is why he promotes a "cold fusion" argument as well as intimates Evolution theory and the biologists who study it are stupid & could be replaced by... how did he put that? ...
We could replace them with blind experimenters with the same result. Or maybe better, as the history of cold fusion research indicates
Considering the work by Lenski and so many more, this is simply a crackpot clinging to a religious like belief in a delusion that's been debunked for over a century

Zephir in a nutshell. read this :
http://www.ploson...tion=PDF

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Jul 04, 2015
I never used the conspiracy for explanation of pluralistic ignorance of mainstream physics -
@docile/ZEPHIR
wanna try that again?
every argument you've given for "pluralistic ignorance" is more like conspiracy against crackpot pseudoscience... the only reason you think it is "pluralistic ignorance" is because you are not capable of admitting evidence which refutes your claims or destroys your world view (in this case, it is your religion as you preach it repeatedly regardless of the evidence against it, making it your faith, as you believe even in the absence of proof)
given those descriptors, then all your arguments re: cold fusion and evolution, and more... all of them are conspiracy ideation and based upon your religious beliefs

again, see: http://www.ploson...tion=PDF

if you understand the study, you will see your arguments in it...

science follows the evidence

Jul 04, 2015
with compare to conspiracy, which is organized action
@ZEPHIR
conspiracy doesn't have to be organized OR action, it is simply a belief system much like a religion, whereas you accept things and intentionally use lack of proof to justify your perceptions. another example of this is here http://phys.org/n...ies.html

just because you don't use the word, doesn't mean you aint following in the same argumentative footsteps and making the same fallacious connections/justifications
The opponents of mainstream (like me) are also attracted to forums about new findings of mainstream physics - in this sense we "crackpots", our ideas and findings are representing the dark matter for mainstream proponents, their ideas and findings. These analogies may help the understanding of both social, both physical systems
this is a perfect example of conspiracy theory, religion and pseudoscience all in one!
2Bcont'd

Jul 04, 2015
ZEPHIR cont'd
These analogies may help the understanding of both social, both physical systems
not only will these "findings" never be considered science, they're all based solely upon PSEUDOSCIENCE and fallacious belief systems which cannot, be definition, be considered as evidence because there IS NO EVIDENCE. therefore, it will never affect science as it cannot be proven or reproduced. (the only thing it can affect is philosophy, but that is NOT a hard evidence fact based science- it is subjective)

also- your findings and claims are nothing more than musings and opinion. until you can give evidence which can be replicated and validated (science) then you can't make a claim that has ANY credibility...

your entire post there was Dunning-Kruger in it's most narcissistic egotistical promotional way

read those links Z
they're you in a nutshell (or nutcase, however you choose to interpret that)

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Jul 04, 2015
It does interact with matter.
.....this contradicts what you wrote immediately below.

The dark mass is displaced by the matter.
.....this contradicts what you wrote immediately above.



When a boat moves through and displaces the water it is interacting with the water.

When the Milky Way moves through and displaces the dark mass it is interacting with the dark mass.

Jul 04, 2015
Of course I don't. They are totally unrelated. The halo of the milky way not in a million Hubble times could explain QM. Why you bring up QM is a mystery.


The Milky Way moves through and displaces the dark mass. The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass.

The particle in a double slit experiment moves through and displaces the dark mass. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the dark mass passes through both.

Jul 05, 2015
What if the black hole has a distributed mass.
If we assume that the black hole mass is equal to the mass of the dark matter and it is distributed at the event horizon of the black hole and inside of the black hole there are nothing or almost nothing that could explain most of the phenomenon of the dark matter..

Jul 05, 2015
'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking Entropy'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible fluid"
This relates to a possible phase of matter (from the string landscape) near the event horizon, and doesn't explain your assertions a bit, and actually refutes them insofar as such conditions wouldn't be measured or observed anywhere except possibly as a microscopic layer near the event horizon.

Jul 05, 2015
''Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.4758

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the universe using superfluid aether is compatible."
The quote you've listed does not come from the paper. You also misquoted the title; it's "Unified Dark Energy–Dark Matter model with Inverse Quintessence" – you haven't mentioned dark energy at all in your displacement assertions.

And this model is also based on strings and branes, so at least you're sort of trying to make use of a Calabi-Yau manifold. Good for you.

Jul 05, 2015
One of these years all the DM Enthusiasts will finally cave-in & admit that all of you are chasing the old aether hypotheses that Einstein & a few others turned into mythology long ago with General Relativity.

This Cosmic Fairy Dust you Enthusiasts keep touting has been endowed with such magical flavors of gravity that it has uniquely found a way to be excluded from within our solar system, our Sun is not missing any mass based on it's measured gravity, but that's unimportant, you still believe 90-99% of the Universe is missing.

The only narrative of importance to DM Enthusiasts is that we should just believe DM has an inherent quality of hiding itself in an envelope surrounding every galaxy in the Universe, & its magical qualities just sort of keeps all the galaxies from flying apart due to imagined forces of gravity that can never be measured. Any of you Enthusiasts ever seen a Differential Equation in Einstein's GR you know how to follow?


Jul 05, 2015
"The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible fluid"
and actually refutes them insofar as such conditions wouldn't be measured or observed anywhere except possibly as a microscopic layer near the event horizon.


The "gravitational aether" is measured gravitationally.

The state of displacement of the aether is curved spacetime.

The state of displacement of the aether *is* gravity.


Jul 05, 2015
The quote you've listed does not come from the paper.


'Singular-Turbulent Structure Formation in the Universe and the Essence of Dark Matter I. Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/.../0610135

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the universe using superfluid aether is compatible."

you haven't mentioned dark energy at all in your displacement assertions.


'Unified Dark Energy-Dark Matter model with Inverse Quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.4758

"An interacting dark energy/dark matter scenario can be obtained by introducing ..."

Our Universe is a larger version of a galactic polar jet.

Dark energy is dark mass continuously emitted into the Universal jet.

Jul 05, 2015
'Unified Dark Energy-Dark Matter model with Inverse Quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.4758

"An interacting dark energy/dark matter scenario can be obtained by introducing ..."

Our Universe is a larger version of a galactic polar jet.

Dark energy is dark mass continuously emitted into the Universal jet.
"... obtained by introducing another scalar [field] ... " No mention of jets anywhere in the paper. I think even in the context of a multiverse you're pushing the limits. I think you lost my mind with that one.

Jul 05, 2015
"Scientists using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope have discovered that the immense halo of gas enveloping the Andromeda galaxy, our nearest massive galactic neighbor, is about six times larger and 1,000 times more massive than previously measured. The dark, nearly invisible halo stretches about a million light-years from its host galaxy, halfway to our own Milky Way galaxy. This finding promises to tell astronomers more about the evolution and structure of majestic giant spirals, one of the most common types of galaxies in the universe."

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

For DM Enthusiasts, this article of the halo enveloping the Andromeda galaxy should make the cogent minded a bit skeptical that DM & Baryonic matter do not mix. The DM Hypothesis being that galaxies are held together within an envelope of DM which does not mix with Baryonic. How does this happen when Andromeda's Baryonic halo stretches halfway to us in MW?

Jul 05, 2015
"... obtained by introducing another scalar [field] ... " No mention of jets anywhere in the paper. I think even in the context of a multiverse you're pushing the limits. I think you lost my mind with that one.


The following is an artists image of a galactic polar jet.

http://discoverma...3015.jpg

Our Universe is a larger version of the above.

Jul 05, 2015
"Scientists using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope have discovered that the immense halo of gas enveloping the Andromeda galaxy, our nearest massive galactic neighbor, is about six times larger and 1,000 times more massive than previously measured. The dark, nearly invisible halo stretches about a million light-years from its host galaxy, halfway to our own Milky Way galaxy. ..."

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

... How does this happen when Andromeda's Baryonic halo stretches halfway to us in MW?


Andromeda's halo is not a clump of stuff traveling along with the galaxy. Andromeda is moving through and displacing the dark mass. Andromeda's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass.

Jul 05, 2015
Andromeda's halo is not a clump of stuff traveling along with the galaxy. Andromeda is moving through and displacing the dark mass. Andromeda's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass.


Clarification:

Andromeda's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the galaxy. Andromeda is moving through and displacing the dark mass. Andromeda's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass.

The state of displacement of Andromeda's dark mass *is* curved spacetime.

The gas exists within Andromeda's dark mass halo.

Jul 06, 2015
Andromeda's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the galaxy. Andromeda is moving through and displacing the dark mass. Andromeda's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass.


.............your above statement contradicts your below statement.......

The gas exists within Andromeda's dark mass halo.


First you state Andromeda's halo displaces "dark mass", then you state "the gas (baryonic) exists within Andromeda's dark mass". Now which is it? You're becoming like JT, when you come to a fork in the pathway & you don't know which path to follow......you take the fork.

It'll be interesting how JT's "beyond GR" explains Andromeda's baryonic halo extending halfway to the MW but never mixes with the DM that keeps it's rotation rate from causing it to self destruct. I guess he must believe as you do, that the baryonic simply pushes the DM out of the way via some manner of opposing gravity forces (anti-gravity?).

Jul 06, 2015
First you state Andromeda's halo displaces "dark mass"


I did not say Andromeda's halo displaces "dark mass".

I said Andromeda's halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass.

A submarine moves through and displaces the water.

The submarine's halo is the state of displacement of the water.

the baryonic simply pushes the DM out of the way via some manner of opposing gravity forces (anti-gravity?).


"Anti-gravity" is an incorrect way to describe the interaction. Andromeda's halo does not push matter away from Andromeda.

Andromeda displaces the dark mass.

The displaced dark mass pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward Andromeda.

The displaced dark mass pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward Andromeda *is* gravity.

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Jul 06, 2015
The analogy of all above effects exist at the water surface too. If we imagine the massive bodies like the islands at the sea, then the coastal waves lead into increased turbulence


@ Zephir-Skippy. You left out the best part about the electron ducks bobbing and spiders walking on the water.

ABOVE water surface and gravitational lensing of it in their neighborhood.


Oh I see now, the electron ducks took to flight above the water surface and you don't have the shoot gun?

But the underwater waves are also attenuated -


That sounds about right.

just with larger distance from coast


I got the goose gun for the larger away distances.

and they do manifest with area of attenuated underwater currents and turbulence BELLOW water surface.


Yeah, I know what you mean. I would bellow too me if somebody was chooting at me with the shoot gun.


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Jul 06, 2015
@Benni:
For DM Enthusiasts, this article of the halo enveloping the Andromeda galaxy should make the cogent minded a bit skeptical that DM & Baryonic matter do not mix
Where did you get the idea that baryonic matter and CDM 'do not mix', may I ask?
The DM Hypothesis being that galaxies are held together within an envelope of DM which does not mix with Baryonic
Nope, that bears little resemblance to 'the DM hypothesis' (whatever that is)


Maybe I'm confusing you with LST, too much likeness in so many ways.

OK, you postulate that DM & Baryonic mix, so explain why the gravity field of the Sun matches so perfectly with it's visible mass? Subtract the rate of transformation of matter to energy to account for photons carrying away that portion of gravity & there is perfect accounting of all our Sun's mass versus the measured gravity field.

Jul 06, 2015
@ Bennie-Skippy. How you are too Cher? I am fine and dandy, thanks for asking.

Skippy that has been explained to you several dozens of times and several more too. Pretending that nobody explained it is starting to make you look as silly as you writing different equations over and over.

Techno-Skippy, IMP-Skippy, Barakan-Skippy, xyz-Skippy, Fleet-Skippy, Q-Skippy and a whole bunch more real scientist-engineer-Skippys have answered that over and over and some more overs.

Now put your silly looking pointy cap back on and pipe down.

Jul 06, 2015
I told you already, that the problem of your analogies is, the dark matter density ...


I told you already, what you mistake for the density of the dark matter is the state of displacement of the dark mass.

The Andromeda is moving toward us, yet its hallo is symmetric.


If Andromeda is moving toward us then it makes sense that it's halo would be symmetric. You're under water. A submarine is moving directly toward you. The water displaced by the submarine would be symmetric.

You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights is a submarine. The submarine is moving from left to right across your field of vision of the lights. The water displaced by the submarine is asymmetric.

Jul 06, 2015
Which testable prediction follow from assumption that the "halo is the state of displacement of the dark mass"?


I predict the Milky Way's halo will be lopsided as the Milky Way is moving through and displacing the dark mass.

'The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided'
http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3802

"the emerging picture of the dark matter halo of the Milky Way is dominantly lopsided in nature."

I predict there will be an offset between the light lensing through the space neighboring galaxy clusters and the galaxy clusters themselves as the galaxy clusters are moving through and displacing the dark mass.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.1475

"the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."

Jul 06, 2015
Therefore the physically realistic analogy of dark matter force at small scales is the Casimir and strong nuclear force - not quantum entanglement or deBroglie wave, as @liquidspace insists.


The Casimir Effect is evidence of the chaotic nature of the dark mass.

'Water wave analogue of the Casimir effect'
https://upload.wi...fect.ogv

NON-LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS A CAUSAL INTERPRETATION by LOUIS DE BROGLIE

"interaction of the particle with a "subquantic medium" which escapes our observation and is entirely chaotic"

'Fluid mechanics suggests alternative to quantum orthodoxy'
http://newsoffice...ics-0912

"The fluidic pilot-wave system is also chaotic."

'When Fluid Dynamics Mimic Quantum Mechanics'
http://www.scienc...1934.htm

"and is what we call ... 'chaotic,'"

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Jul 06, 2015
BTW What the "dark mass" is supposed to mean?


I use the term 'dark mass' to distinguish it from the baggage associated with dark matter. Dark matter is hypothesized to be a clump of stuff traveling along with the Milky Way. This is incorrect. The Milky Way is moving through and displacing the dark mass, analogous to a submarine moving through and displacing the water.

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Jul 06, 2015
so explain why the gravity field of the Sun matches so perfectly with it's visible mass?


I already did that, twice ; I'm not going to do it again.
No you didn't, you simply put up meaningless explanations so far beyond GR as to make GR meaningless, your usual tact.

However, here's a question for you: what is the density (mass per unit volume) of the solar system, plus its surrounding ISM, expressed as an average, in a chunk of space that's a sphere with radius 1.5 light-years, centered on the Sun?

It's pretty straight-forward to calculate. Now if CDM:baryonic matter is 3:1, and the CDM is distributed evenly throughout the sphere, how much of it (mass) is there in the solar system? The Sun?
Just imagine any conundrum you like, but you apparently don't comprehend NASA only needs the calculate only the Inverse Square Law of Newtonian Gravity to launch & land their craft all over the solar system. So where is the DM in all that?

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Jul 06, 2015
@Benni: I think you said you were once some kind of scientist?
It's in the Profile

So where is the DM in all that?


Just where it has always been, in amounts that are far smaller than the 'rounding errors' in the equations, and smaller than the 'rounding error' in estimates of the Sun's mass
But you've been quoted as stating it makes up 99% of the Universe, if you ask me as an engineer, I'd say 99% is one dandy of a rounding error.

Your approach seems to be that rounding numbers don't matter; not strange for someone with your dubious background. Your responses are as contradictory as LST's. First you say DM is 99% of the Universe, then you suggest it is an almost miniscule rounding error. Next I expect you to state the miniscule rounding error makes up most of the gravity in the Universe? Just how does that math work when you can't find any DM (other than by rounding error) in our solar system?

Jul 06, 2015
but you missed the Casimir effect analogy. You should always validate your ideas with actual observations - even these qualitative ones.


The actual observation is a hydrodynamical representation of the Casimir Effect represents the chaotic nature of the dark mass.

'Water wave analogue of Casimir effect'
https://www.youtu...Lbq2VYIk

Jul 06, 2015
It's in the Profile
@benjiTROLL
no, it isn't.
not on phys.org - read that for yourself: https://sciencex....r/Benni/
if you can figure out how to go there, that is

@JeanTate
Benni has proclaimed himself to be:
a Nuclear Engineer
An electrical Engineer
both claims found May 09 here: http://phys.org/n...axy.html

or: http://phys.org/n...tum.html

as well as amateur astronomer and a few other things, despite his inability to follow math in climate threads, ignorance with astrophysics or complete inability to find the "contact" link at the bottom of every page on PO

he also thought that if the PO private message function was down, the site admin/Mods & contact link also couldn't work!
and that admin/mods couldn't contact the individual posters & we couldn't send stuff to the site admin (via the contact link)

meh

Jul 06, 2015
There is no dark mass.


There is evidence of the dark mass every time a double slit experiment is performed; it's what waves.

Jul 07, 2015
It's in the Profile
@benjiTROLL
no, it isn't.
not on phys.org - read that for yourself: https://sciencex....r/Benni/

as well as amateur astronomer and a few other things, despite his inability to follow math in climate threads, ignorance with astrophysics or complete inability to find the "contact" link at the bottom of every page on PO

he also thought that if the PO private message function was down, the site admin/Mods & contact link also couldn't work!
and that admin/mods couldn't contact the individual posters & we couldn't send stuff to the site admin (via the contact link)

meh


This post is not science. Phys.Org is not facebook, nor is it the Jerry-Springer show.

Please read the comment guidelines and use the scientific method next time, thank you.

Jul 07, 2015
This post is not science
@nou
1- it answers a relevant question during the discourse of the above topic

2- goes to intent

3- discusses abilities of the poster and the reasons for inability to comprehend basics

4- explains the shortcomings in the appeal to self-authority argument used by benji (or philosophers)

it also demonstrates, using links (which include examples by benni herself as well as comments posted by benni), why the "nuclear/electrical engineer" can't comprehend the physics/astrophysics and math, thus (as it is related to the article and discourse) allows JeanTate to re-word or simplify her argument for clarity as well as precision

Trolling comments like yours, however, are simply trolling comments and baiting


Jul 07, 2015
@CaptainStumpy,

The post that was quoted contains no science, nor evidence of any sort,... only your own conjecture, not supported by scientific evidence. Please read the comment guideline next time. Thank you.

[You see, you're not entitled to critique others Form Of Argument as opposed to their Substance Of Argument, all the while bickering with non-scientific style of argument yourself. If you wish to continent to object to my posts merely on the basis that they're interpretations of QM (philosophy of physics), even though my posts can reference preeminent physicists, then you're not entitled to make infinitely less scientific posts]

Jul 07, 2015
@Nou
they're interpretations of QM (philosophy of physics), even though my posts can reference preeminent physicists
and as i stated (as well as Otto and many others) a "subjective interpretation", no matter WHO it comes from, is still a subjective interpretation and not empirical evidence nor anything other than personal conjecture, regardless of the appeal to authority argument you placed with it
IOW- philosophy is subjective to the individual regardless of how many "eye-witnesses" you have (se also: religious argument)

you are on ignore again, philo double-speaking argument from ignorance/authority and strawman boy
Do not 'feed' the trolls: ...Do not engage with trolls in the comment threads (see internet troll).
Trolling comments like yours are simply trolling comments and baiting


Jul 07, 2015
This not physics no matter how many times you repeat it.


The mass which fills 'empty' space is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it, whether you choose to understand it, or not.

Jul 07, 2015
a "subjective interpretation", no matter WHO it comes from, is still a subjective interpretation and not empirical evidence nor anything other than personal conjecture, regardless of the appeal to authority argument you placed with it


The statements I make wrt physics are based on empirical evidence. You have not referenced any particular statement made by me, ....so your "objection" is actually a fraud, completely devoid of substance.

Jul 08, 2015
The statements I make wrt physics are based on empirical evidence
@nTROLL
uh-huh. right
...I feel that Kantian epistemology is fundamentally important to science, in particular modern physics. I have posted many times here to that effect.
IMO, the non-intuitive nature of QM is a physical confirmation of Kant's core philosophy...
Abraham Pais, once proclaimed Niels Bohr to be the natural successor to Immanuel Kant, in reference to Copenhagen Interpretation
... there is a sense in which Kant was wrong; we can in fact acquire valid predictive knowledge despite that that knowledge is non-intuitive...
The epistemological truth uncovered by Hume and Kant, does not logically imply idealism, nor an anti-science position...
...if one is a Realist, they may interpret GR as implying...
http://phys.org/news/2015-06-nasa-missions-black-hole.html

subjective opinion is not evidence unless you're on "springer"

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The statements I make wrt physics are based on empirical evidence
@nTROLL
uh-huh. right
...IMO, the non-intuitive nature of QM is a physical confirmation of Kant's core philosophy...
Abraham Pais, once proclaimed Niels Bohr to be the natural successor to Immanuel Kant, in reference to Copenhagen Interpretation
... there is a sense in which Kant was wrong; we can in fact acquire valid predictive knowledge despite that that knowledge is non-intuitive...
The epistemological truth uncovered by Hume and Kant, does not logically imply idealism, nor an anti-science position...
...if one is a Realist, they may interpret GR as implying...


subjective opinion is not evidence unless you're on "springer"


If you're capable of articulating a specific objection, then do so. Otherwise it's not possible for me to respond to your "accusation" style bs.

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