Using new data, US finds no pause in global warming

Using updated data on the Earth's surface temperatures worldwide, US government scientists have found no evidence of a pause in
Using updated data on the Earth's surface temperatures worldwide, US government scientists have found no evidence of a pause in global warming in recent years

Using updated data on the Earth's surface temperatures worldwide, US government scientists have found no evidence of a pause in global warming in recent years, according to research published on Thursday.

The report by scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) was published in the journal Science.

It had been thought that temperatures in the 21st century plateaued.

"The new analysis suggests no discernible decrease in the rate of warming between the second half of the 20th century, a period marked by manmade warming, and the first fifteen years of the 21st century, a period dubbed a global warming 'hiatus,'" the report said.

The study uses "updated and corrected observations taken at thousands of weather observing stations over land and as many commercial ships and buoys at sea," it said.

With that data, there is no evidence that temperatures in the 21st century have in fact plateaued.

"Instead, the rate of warming during the first fifteen years of the is at least as great as that in the last half of the 20th century, suggesting warming is continuing apace," said the study.

Rising temperatures across the planet have set new records, and NOAA has declared 2014 was the hottest year in modern history.

The globe experienced its hottest month of March since record-keeping began in 1880, and the period of January to March was also the warmest on record, NOAA has said.

Using new data, US finds no pause in global warming
A NOAA analysis using updated global surface temperature data disputes the existence of a 21st century global warming slowdown. The new analysis suggests no discernable decrease in the rate of warming between the second half of the 20th century, a period marked by manmade warming, and the first fifteen years of the 21st century, a period dubbed a global warming “hiatus.” According to the researchers, the hiatus was an illusion, an artifact of earlier analyses. Credit: NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information

Scientists warn that fossil fuel burning is pushing more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere, leading to increased temperatures, melting of polar ice and glaciers and rising seas.

Experts said the latest study should address some key uncertainties in global warming projections, which are at the heart of major world climate talks in Paris later this year.

"A whole cottage industry has been built by climate skeptics on the false premise that there is currently a hiatus in global warming," said Mark Maslin, professor of climatology at University College London.

"This important reanalysis suggests there never was a global warming hiatus; if anything, temperatures are warming faster in the last 15 years than in the last 65 years."

Some experts hailed the Science article for using better quality data than the figures used to create the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's 2013 report, which found some evidence of a pause in in recent years.

But others, like Piers Forster, professor of at the University of Leeds, pointed out that the IPCC report relies on numerous sets of data, not just NOAA's.

"Even with the corrections in this study, the observed warming has not been as large as predicted by models. Other global datasets, even when corrected for missing Arctic data, still show a decreased trend since 1998," he said.

"I still don't think this study will be the last word on this complex subject."


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Jun 04, 2015
Well... That sucks.

I suppose the "bright side" will be a stronger reaction by governments.

Jun 04, 2015
Desperate aren't they! So DC and NYC are underwater after all. Someone should apprise them. And snow is now a thing of the past. Woohoo. I can get behind that one.

Jun 04, 2015
Grab the point of the data that best serves your narrative and bend it to fit in and you could claim that we are about to enter an ice age if you wanted to.

Jun 04, 2015
"updated and corrected" is synonym for fudged for political reasons.

Can't trust U.S. government to give us accurate temperature measurements anymore.

Everything is politicized. US is turning into USSSA (Union of Soviet Socialist States of America).

Jun 04, 2015
Deniers are deniers for political reasons.

Jun 04, 2015
Of course the hiatus is over, even if there ever was one - last year hit new peaks.

Also, the arctic ice extent is back to hitting new lows - no it's not recovering.

And even yes, the earth is still not flat and is still over 4 billion years old...

But some questions can never be answered like Why do deniers go to a science site to trash science?

Jun 04, 2015
Its actually funny - you can see the desperation in the wording.

How can this not be called cherry picking when two satellite datasets and other land based sets available on wood for trees all clearly show a slowing of warming or no warming for 20 years? Piers Forster uses nicer words to say the same thing, but apparently its all about fear, not facts.

Jun 04, 2015
Tom, do you think this is a game? Did you choose up sides? Using what criteria? I find most deniers are uneducated on the environmental sciences. Political prejudice is tough to reason with.

Jun 04, 2015
Government sponsored research which legitimizes an increase in government power is every bit as unbiased as tobacco company research showing that tobacco is not harmful to ones health.

Jun 04, 2015
Tom, do you think this is a game? Did you choose up sides? Using what criteria? I find most deniers are uneducated on the environmental sciences. Political prejudice is tough to reason with.

Your credibility was lost when you pointed to political prejudice as being tough to reason with while at the same time demonstrating your own political prejudice with your repeated use of the word denier. The fact is that you're just as much of a political zealot as him and neither of you have any credibility.

I think I'll just listen to the actual scientists debate the issue and listen to them critique each other's positions and hope that I learn something in the process. In the meantime, I think I'll stop reading the comment sections of every article on climate since there doesn't appear to be anything but hypocritical political zealots saying nothing worth reading.

Jun 04, 2015
Well, after 18 years of pause and lies upon lies of where the CO2 manufactured heat is hiding, they have come up with the best of them all. What a surprise this happened when they "corrected".. er..excuse me.."cooked" the temperature.

Jun 04, 2015
"Your credibility was lost when you pointed to political prejudice as being tough to reason with while at the same time demonstrating your own political prejudice with your repeated use of the word denier."
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Yup, we are polarized. I got my own biases from earning a Master of Science in the fields of the Environment and energy use.

I actually urge you to read the science. Look at examples such as Stumpy, who takes the time and effort (and cost), to dig up the actual studies. Do not get synopses of them only, but refer to and read the original works if necessary. Otherwise, good synopses can be found at sciencenews.org and sciencedaily.com as well as others.

Jun 04, 2015
"I could just as much label you a denier because you don't agree with God's Word or don't agree with some of my personal viewpoints."
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Yup, and you would be correct. Put it in big letters.

I also have to admit you are correct, and I got carried away. I got too used to dealing with the crank otto.

I apologize.

ps - which god?


Jun 05, 2015
oh the humanity! somebody got called a denier; how awful. You can call me a denier all you want as well if you are taking about so called "God's word". If you have no interest in Science, what are you doing here?

Jun 05, 2015
gkam, "denier" is not a dirty word, no need to apologize -its just part of the game of faux outrage they teach on right wing media.

Verkle apparently thinks oil is just modern day manna from heaven and forgets that others Christians like the Omish and Quakers took one look at that stuff pumped from deep underground and smelling of sulfur and deemed it the work of the devil. We should of listened to them.

Jun 05, 2015
Delay the long term trend of the ice age coming does not seem a bad thing. I read about the Panama Hypothesis which states that the ice on the North Pole and the Arctic did not appear until after the formation of the isthmus rose changing the salinity of the Atlantic causing fresher Arctic waters that froze at lower temperatures.

Jun 05, 2015
Delay the long term trend of the ice age coming does not seem a bad thing. I read about the Panama Hypothesis which states that the ice on the North Pole and the Arctic did not appear until after the formation of the isthmus rose changing the salinity of the Atlantic causing fresher Arctic waters that froze at lower temperatures.


.........but the problem is a book called Revelation that the Church of the Holy Hockey Stick congregants actually believe in. They're right up front about their theism with their high priest, DarkLordKelvin standing dead in the center of their Pentagram. You'd think he'd have the common sense to dump that handle & find a better way to form public relations.

Jun 05, 2015
Is there a big difference in cred between NOAA and the EPA? Funny how those that think NOAA is spot on contradict the EPA's findings on oil pollution http://phys.org/n...ing.html . Cherry picking data again.

But I'm glad to hear all those that are calling it pure toxins have given up driving. No? Oh, then I guess you're saying NOAA is right, EPA is wrong, and you're pouring toxins into my environment that I should really learn to live without.

I cannot imagine why the cognitively challenged find that confusing. EVERYONE is a denier (pardon the noun fraud- the word isn't offensive; turning a verb phrase into a noun that is coded language for behavioral conformity is). Most all either deny AGW or they deny that they need to act on their beliefs. How much has the trend changed since the first Earth Day? Zero. You've had zero effect in nearly 50 years of "environmental activism". Bigger diff between your parents and you vs you and "deniers".

Jun 05, 2015
I got my own biases from earning a Master of Science in the fields of the Environment and energy use.


Liar liar, pants on fire.

Which college/university?

Jun 05, 2015
Government sponsored research which legitimizes an increase in government power

That can only apply to global warming if you assume that government power is the only way to solve that problem. In other words, you have declared that global warming is the kind of problem that markets can't deal with.

Jun 05, 2015
From antigoracle:
Well, after 18 years of pause

I think it was last year that I offered here a $1000 dollar bet that the average temperature of 2015-2029 would be higher than 1998-2014. No takers from the believers in the pause. I offer the same bet again. Money from both parties in an escrow account or invested such that only the winner can take it in 2030. Will you take it? I want to increase my retirement fund.

Jun 05, 2015
Well, after 18 years of pause and lies upon lies of where the CO2 manufactured heat is hiding, they have come up with the best of them all. What a surprise this happened when they "corrected".. er..excuse me.."cooked" the temperature.


Naaa Emperical evidence shows that the globe is warming (something gorilla monkey is unable to comprehend) his 3 braincells however overcooks everytime he thinks :D

Jun 05, 2015
The study uses "updated and corrected temperature observations taken at thousands of weather observing stations over land and as many commercial ships and buoys at sea," it said.


The new age of science and reason: Got data that disagrees with your theory? No problem. Just change the data!!

Jun 05, 2015
And if the scientists just kept all their findings to themselves, when the climate problems become so bad that no one could deny something is wrong, those in the pockets of Big Oil would be crying "why didn't they tell us this was happening? It's a conspiracy!" It's a no-win situation for the scientists when the opposition is nothing but whiners.

Jun 05, 2015
Since the measured temperatures do not match our projections, we have adjusted the measured temperatures. Isn't that better?

Is there even the appearance of legitimacy in the AGW declarations any more?

Will the emperor's new clothes sell?

Jun 05, 2015
dogfart just can't seem to get any evidence supporting his thumbsucked opinions, aaahh but his good at manning waterprophetclowny and antiscienacgoracle gorilla's puppet accounts creating a 3 tier hustle to prove to the world how dumb they and their superiors are... atta monkey :D

Jun 05, 2015

Your credibility was lost when you pointed to political prejudice as being tough to reason with while at the same time demonstrating your own political prejudice with your repeated use of the word denier. The fact is that you're just as much of a political zealot as him and neither of you have any credibility.

I think I'll just listen to the actual scientists debate the issue and listen to them critique each other's positions and hope that I learn something in the process. In the meantime, I think I'll stop reading the comment sections of every article on climate since there doesn't appear to be anything but hypocritical political zealots saying nothing worth reading.


Wait. you think "scientists" can't be compromised by political factions? Disciplined Minds? ring a bell?

Jun 05, 2015
I just wonder, if they will publish the temperature data and methods how they corrected it, or it will be marked as top secret as usual to avoid disturbances in cashing in grants for research of Global warming.

Jun 05, 2015
The study uses "updated and corrected temperature observations taken at thousands of weather observing stations over land and as many commercial ships and buoys at sea," it said.


The new age of science and reason: Got data that disagrees with your theory? No problem. Just change the data!!


This is 100% true science sold out to the devil. I would guess that 50% of all peer reviewed studies are JUNK.

Jun 05, 2015
Naaa big oil will just run another campaign bribing to fake scientific results, the usual and only way of business they know.

Jun 05, 2015
Yup, we are polarized. I got my own biases from earning a Master of Science in the fields of the Environment and energy use
.........you must be one of those "scientists" that master DarkLordKelvin must be referring to?

Look at examples such as Stumpy
.......another one of DarkLordKelvin's scientists who's never seen a Differential Equation he could solve.
Do not get synopses of them only, but refer to and read the original works if necessary. Otherwise, good synopses can be found at sciencenews.org and sciencedaily.com as well as others.
Ok then, go to Nature & read this if you think 400ppm of CO2 is such an evil commodity:

http://www.nature...664.html

Jun 05, 2015
"Deniers are deniers for political reasons". Proponents have a profit motive. Which motive is dominant in humankind?

Jun 05, 2015
Personally I think humans have the right to burn hundreds of millions of years worth of fossil fuel in the span of 100 years and expect that nothing bad will happen. It's just irrational to assume a paltry 7B people, and 100B cattle, can mess anything up. Where did all the forests go you say? Well you don't need that much forest anyway, the plankton will make up for it. Oh wait all that CO2 is turning the ocean into vinegar? That's ok we'll just invent some machines that produce oxygen for us. Who needs bees when we have tiny little drones to fertilize plants. We set off a few volcanic eruptions using nukes to increase the ash content in the atmosphere to cool things down if things get really ugly. No need to worry...

Jun 05, 2015
Tiny minds think the planet is too huge to contemplate, and that human activity is too insignificant to affect it. "The tide comes in, the tide goes out; you can't explain it" -- billo

Jun 05, 2015
Tiny minds indeed,

Jun 05, 2015
AGW = Intellectual Dishonesty

It will be a great day when this fraud is finally exposed in such a way that it can't wriggle out.

Jun 05, 2015
It will be a great day when this fraud is finally exposed in such a way that it can't wriggle out.
If only the global temperature would cooperate, huh?

Jun 05, 2015
A First Look at 'Possible artifacts of data biases in the recent global surface warming hiatus' by Karl et al., Science 4 June 2015

http://wattsupwit...ne-2015/

"It ain't what you don't know that'll hurt you- it's what you know that ain't so."

Jun 05, 2015

"It ain't what you don't know that'll hurt you- it's what you know that ain't so."

That is a quotation of Ronald Wilson Reagan, old 666, who also said he was in D-Day, and helped liberate Nazi Death Camps, to the astonishment of those who knew he spent the entire war at Hal Roach Studios.

So it was nice of him to elucidate it for us.

Jun 05, 2015
AGW = Intellectual Dishonesty

It will be a great day when this fraud is finally exposed in such a way that it can't wriggle out.


Then read this:
http://www.nature...664.html

Anyone who would think that 400 ppm of CO2 is such an evil commodity during a 17 year hiatus of global warming are only those who are self-deluded neophytes who've never seen a Rate of Reaction Equation they could understand much less solve. What cogent thinking person would link the present 400 ppm of CO2 to a global warming effect when the beneficial effects of 400 ppm of a 0.04% trace gas can have this beneficial effect with a 17 year hiatus on "warming"? The simple answer is that they can't, but they don't care that they can't & that they don't have enough of a background in science to come up with cogent arguments to the contrary.


Jun 05, 2015
. Oh wait all that CO2 is turning the ocean into vinegar?


CO2 makes up only 3.6% of the greenhouse gases and the fact is that the atmospheric concentration has changed only 0.0065% since recent warming began in 1978


Jun 05, 2015
That is a quotation of Ronald Wilson Reagan


Wrong. Its commonly attributed to Mark Twain, but was probably made by a contemporary of Twain's... the name escapes me.

old 666

I think you're choosing the wrong way to gain credibility.

who also said he was in D-Day, and helped liberate Nazi Death Camps

Reference please

So it was nice of him to elucidate it for us.

Excuse me, your ridiculously prejudiced liberalism is showing.

Jun 05, 2015
I will be kind and include only the report by one of his apologists, trying to excuse it. If you look it up, you can find the others.
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"In the spring of 1945, Capt. Reagan, as the FMPU's intelligence officer, spent weeks processing raw color footage from the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps. The images so burned into his brain that later in life - quite understandably - he imagined he had been there at Ohrdruf and Buchenwald."

Jun 05, 2015
Yeah, "quite understandably" he lived in a fantasy world, as we told you long ago. Reagan believed whatever somebody told him, and it became reality. Later, he made up the stuff himself. His son said he had never had a real conversation of any meaning with Ronnie, (perhaps he may have been incapable). But to the conservatives he was SMART.

And he probably was, . . compared to them.

Jun 05, 2015
I will be kind and include only the report by one of his apologists, trying to excuse it. If you look it up, you can find the others.
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"In the spring of 1945, Capt. Reagan, as the FMPU's intelligence officer, spent weeks processing raw color footage from the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps. The images so burned into his brain that later in life - quite understandably - he imagined he had been there at Ohrdruf and Buchenwald."

No reference directly attributing it to Reagan = no ticky = no laundry.

Besides, this thread is about the NOAA lying, not Reagan lying.

Jun 05, 2015
Yeah, "quite understandably" he lived in a fantasy world, as we told you long ago. Reagan believed whatever somebody told him, and it became reality. Later, he made up the stuff himself.


........in the meantime you are living in a fantasy world of a 17 year hiatus in global warming with ppm of CO2 having increased from 300 to 400 ppm but creating no warming effects as your side of political persuasion has been adamant would have almost immediate effects. The reason you don't think there's anything wrong with your science & your calculus is because you keep quoting politicians, and how many of those have ever seen a Rate of Reaction Equation they could solve?


Jun 05, 2015
"and how many of those have ever seen a Rate of Reaction Equation they could solve? "
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Benni, the commenters here like Stumpy and many others rare REAL. The mathematics of which you so enamored are the beginnings of the criteria required for their professions. I do not know where you got the idea nobody else has had Algebra and Calculus, but I suggest you get into the Real World.

Jun 05, 2015
the commenters here like Stumpy and many others rare (sic) REAL


Oh, that's rich! 9/10

Jun 05, 2015
You may continue to get your science from the Bible, but the rest of us trust researchers, thanks.

Jun 05, 2015
You may continue to get your science from the Bible, but the rest of us trust researchers, thanks.


In psychology and logic, rationalization or rationalisation (also known as making excuses) is a defense mechanism in which controversial behaviors or feelings are justified and explained in a seemingly rational or logical manner to avoid the true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable – or even admirable and superior – by plausible means. It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.

Rationalisation happens in two steps:

1 - A decision, action, judgement is made for a given reason, or no (known) reason at all (in cases for instance of dogmatic judgement or normal behaviour).
2 - A rationalisation is performed, constructing a seemingly good or logical reason, as an attempt to justify the act after the fact (for oneself or others).

Jun 05, 2015
"Rationalisation happens in two steps:

1 - A decision, action, judgement is made for a given reason, or no (known) reason at all (in cases for instance of dogmatic judgement or normal behaviour).
2 - A rationalisation is performed, constructing a seemingly good or logical reason, as an attempt to justify the act after the fact (for oneself or others)."
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Sounds like a case of conservatives screaming "WMD!" and "Bring 'em on!".

Jun 05, 2015
AGW = Intellectual Dishonesty = Al Gore's World

Jun 05, 2015
"and how many of those have ever seen a Rate of Reaction Equation they could solve? "


Benni, the commenters here like Stumpy and many others rare REAL. The mathematics of which you so enamored are the beginnings of the criteria required for their professions. I do not know where you got the idea nobody else has had Algebra and Calculus,


Ex-firefighter Stumpy is indeed real & living in Texas on a pension he earned as a firefighter & whose only college education is a psychology course he took at a local community college in Texas.

I'm enamored by the calculus of someone's background because it is the single biggest clue as to how deeply someone has actually studied science & not suddenly adopted it as a retirement hobby because they have nothing else to do, as the case is with Stumpy, VietVet, Ira, etc. have done. This bunch resents my challenging their proficiency in math because it is the single biggest intimidating factor they're unable to confront.


Jun 05, 2015
No reference directly attributing it to Reagan
This does, and names two people to whom he told the story, Yitzhak Shamir and Simon Wiesenthal: http://www.salon....problem/

Jun 05, 2015
Benni keeps referring to the mathematics all of us have had. Why is that?

How about some general knowledge, Benni? How about some specific knowledge of science Benni?

How about some ties to the Real World?

Jun 05, 2015
Benni keeps referring to the mathematics all of us have had.
Stumpy?

How about some general knowledge, Benni? How about some specific knowledge of science Benni?


How about some ties to the Real World?

....obviously you don't recognize "specific knowledge of science" when you read it in my above postings, so that tells me a lot about your claims.

You, like the rest of the "science hobbyists" living on this site, are just so hoodwinked by hucksters with axes to grind that you're unable to explain to me why there has been a 17 year warming hiatus from the onset of CO2 ppm from 300 in the 1998 Hockey Stick to 400 today with no increase in global temperature.

Did you read the Nature article I've twice linked to? Just how offensive to science do you find it that increasing CO2 at the periphery of the Sahara has reversed the drought trend there, but hasn't brought increased temperatures, only increased vegetation. Don't like that kind of science do you?

Jun 05, 2015
Ex-firefighter Stumpy is indeed real & living in Texas on a pension he earned as a firefighter & whose only college education is a psychology course he took at a local community college in Texas
@benni-TROLL
no, i don't live in texas
personally, i hate the place
also, my psyche classes were from MIT, U of Michigan and the U of Miami
at least i can demonstrate logical thought and mathematical ability, unlike you
you can't do basic math: http://phys.org/n...als.html
(a galactic year equal to milankovitch cycles? really?)
nor can you demonstrate ability with differential equations
http://phys.org/n...ood.html

but you are going to claim you are a nuclear engineer again?

NONE of this changes observed data which has shown increased temps from the 80's despite antig's, benni's or any other person like deng's claims

Jun 05, 2015
@benni cont'd
This bunch resents my challenging their proficiency in math because it is the single biggest intimidating factor they're unable to confront.
how can we resent something you have YET to demonstrate?

those links above show that you are STILL lying about your abilities

but that is beside the point
the data above simply represents what i've been posting for two years now:

last three decades temps: http://www.woodfo...60/trend

it says the same thing

temps going up

it also shows that benni cannot read and is illiterate
show me ONE place where i said i was from texas ROTFLMFAO

still reaching, eh b?

just because i lived there once, doesn't mean i still do
how about that differential equation link above?

Jun 05, 2015
here is some OOPS data for benniTROLL
Direct from the RESULTS of the study!
As shown in Fig. 1, there is no discernable (statistical or otherwise) decrease in the rate of warming between the second half of the 20th century and the first 15 years of the 21st century. Our new analysis now shows the trend over the period 1950-1999, a time widely agreed as having significant anthropogenic global warming (1), is 0.113°C dec−1, which is virtually indistinguishable with the trend over the period 2000-2014 (0.116°C dec−1). Even starting a trend calculation with 1998, the extremely warm El Niño year that is often used as the beginning of the "hiatus", our global temperature trend (1998-2014) is 0.106°C dec−1 – and we know that is an underestimate due to incomplete coverage over the Arctic.
Science trumps your personal conjectures once again, benniTROLL

how are those math classes coming along B?
got past basic calc yet?

& i get paid by the military & gov't
not the FD

Jun 05, 2015
This is all so boring.The fact is that even when AGW is disproved the people in charge of the governments of the world will just find another way to enslave ALL of us. There will always be another crisis that requires our tax money and relinquishing our freedoms.

Jun 05, 2015
So stumpy, according to your quote, prior to 1950 AGW was insignificant. Yet the warming is indistinguishable from that blamed on AGW.
http://wattsupwit...re-data/

Jun 05, 2015
I think 166 is confused: It was "WMD!" which was disproved, not AGW.

Jun 05, 2015
This is truly depressing. A government agency is rewriting past data and climate science thinks nothing of it. This is truly another case which proves that the end justifies the means in the progressive world. The truth is of little value if it harms the cause. A real scientist who take the profession seriously would be up in arms and foaming at the mouth upon hearing of this travesty. It seems that ethics are as passe as marriage and 2 parent families.

Jun 05, 2015
"Even with the corrections in this study, the observed warming has not been as large as predicted by models. Other global datasets, even when corrected for missing Arctic data, still show a decreased trend since 1998," he said.


No one should be surprised if this "announcement" is doubted.

Jun 05, 2015
" A real scientist who take the profession seriously would be up in arms and foaming at the mouth upon hearing of this travesty."
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Do you know one?

Ask him.

Jun 05, 2015
donglish/gorilacle monkey puppet quoting monkeyscience, keep us smiling, we like to play with monkeys, those 1 out of 5 votings really standing out bright and brilliant, you earned your bannanas today, but tomorrow you will need to up the posts, that 200 mark is still a ways off, but you're almost there... :D

Jun 05, 2015
cmon monkeys c'mon monkeys..more..more.more......

Jun 05, 2015
The fact is that even when AGW is disproved the people in charge of the governments of the world will just find another way to enslave ALL of us
@mr
then by all means just an-hero now and save yourself and keep the darwin award winning progeny of yours from spreading obfuscation and blatant fallacies

So stumpy, according to your quote, prior to 1950 AGW was insignificant.
@antiG
by all means, please copy and paste that quote from the above so i can see where it says that

and don't bother with those links
if it aint a journal with reputable science and studies, i aint using it

because i can show that anthony watts is NOT a reputable climate scientists with reputable studies published in journals which refute any studies i linked...

and you have YET to provide any reputable study from ANYONE that refutes a single one of the studies i linked... ANYWHERE on this site

oh, and you are TROLLING, too

Jun 05, 2015
Lieing about education is shameful.

Jun 05, 2015
Lieing about education is shameful.
@deng
first off, it is "lying", not "lieing" [sic]

2nd- i can agree with that
i gave you 5 stars

that is why most people (including the site rules and mods) require you to present validated empirical evidence and links/proof supporting a claim

the only reason benni etc gets away with his trolling is because the site is not moderated

of course - that is also why zephir, cantdrive, water/ALCHIE et al, antiG and all the rest still are able to post here


Jun 05, 2015
A government agency is rewriting past data and climate science thinks nothing of it.
What are you taliking about: "and climate science thinks nothing of it"? There are no "climate" scientists posting on this site, just a bunch of congregants from the Church of the Holy Hockey Stick with high school math skills.

The truth is of little value if it harms the cause.
Actually, the lack of truth & honesty is what enhances zealots for their AGW cause.
A real scientist who take the profession seriously would be up in arms and foaming at the mouth upon hearing of this travesty.
You're a trespasser on this site if you proclaim your proficiency in advanced math skills & work in a science based profession

It seems that ethics are as passe as marriage and 2 parent families.
Very likely you just made an accurate depiction of the lifestyles of ALL those who are about to give this post 1 Star votes, most of them have probably been divorced multiple times.

Jun 05, 2015
This sort of manipulation just goes to prove that you can never be too paranoid when it comes to trusting the US government. In the last 20 years or so the government of the people has been usurped by the people of the government.

Jun 05, 2015
Lieing about education is shameful.
@deng
first off, it is "lying", not "lieing" [sic]


Ooops! Guesss who I caught! Wasn't even any bait on the hook! Just looking for someone who *may* have a reason to defend themselves! OUCH!

Tell us more about MIT...hahahah


Jun 05, 2015
You're a trespasser on this site if you proclaim your proficiency in advanced math skills & work in a science based profession
and you are a complete idiot if you denigrate others while touting your own skill but then when challenged to produce a result, lie about it or simply ignore it and fail to prove your ability
like benni did with his oft-repeated battle cry of differential equations here:

http://phys.org/n...ood.html

that isn't even mentioning the inability to take 3 seconds and look up a basic term!
which he them attributes to HIMSELF even though there is no post showing he knows what he is talking about

so what is your excuse for that benniTROLL?

typo?
Tell us more about MIT...hahahah
@deng
try it yourself
it's FREE

http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

ROTFLMFAO

by, you just never learn!
I've been using this link for 2 years
been going to the site for longer
LMFAO

Jun 05, 2015
@deng
try it yourself
it's FREE

http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

ROTFLMFAO

by, you just never learn!
I've been using this link for 2 years
been going to the site for longer
LMFAO



You really are a POS, aren't ya? Name drop like you're credentialed, and you got nothing! NOTHING!

Shameful.

Jun 05, 2015
The worst crime in science it tampering with the data.

Jun 05, 2015
"You really are a POS, aren't ya? Name drop like you're credentialed, and you got nothing! NOTHING!"
----------------------------------

Do you work for HR? Another buzzword-matcher?

Good performing people often do not have the "appropriate" degrees, says Bill Gates.

What Stumpy has is an understanding of the science, great curiosity to learn more, and the guts to do it.

Jun 05, 2015
"The worst crime in science it tampering with the data. "
----------------------------------

In any important field.

Look up Deibold and "rob georgia", or Doug Feith and the Office of Special Plans.

They sure got to you.

Jun 05, 2015
You really are a POS, aren't ya? Name drop like you're credentialed, and you got nothing!
@dung
awww... poor thing

get your feelings hurt because i've been using this link for two years and trying to get pseudoscience idiots like yourself to actually learn why they're wrong about physics?

Why the sudden butt-hurt, dung?

jealous?

tell you what: google the MIT link and my profile with Phys.org and actually SEE how many times i shared it... ROTFLMFAO

maybe you will learn something then?

personally, i think you should use the link and learn something

but i will not get my hopes up, given you don't WANT to learn: you want to simply denigrate others and spread obfuscation and lies

sorry, dung, the only shameful anything here is posters like you and benni and those who ignore science for a personal delusion, whatever it is

Jun 05, 2015
Mr 166 says:
The worst crime in science it tampering with the data.


I assume you are implying that the article above deals with data that were "tampered" with. That is a serious accusation and requires serious references. Don't give us blog posts that are not peer reviewed, show us a serious paper that demonstrates the "tampering." All data are transformed from raw form to usable form. There are many ways to do that and they are well accepted means for making the results more robust. Please show us why you think this was "tampering" instead of analysis?

Jun 05, 2015
If I had to place a time of demise of the US citizen I would guess it started under Bush 1. He basically gave Iraq the green light to invade Kuwait. He then invaded Iraq and when it was over stated that "This is the start of a new world order"

The US has been accelerating down hill ever since.

Jun 05, 2015
" Please show us why you think this was "tampering" instead of analysis?"
I will leave that to the experts and history.

Jun 05, 2015
"Look up Deibold and "rob georgia"," I did and am not sure what was compromised other than poor security. Anywho, I am totally against any sort of internet or smartphone voting since the possibilities for voter fraud are immense.

Jun 05, 2015
Well, after 18 years of pause ...

Read the freaking article and repeat after me... There was now pause, there was no pause... there was no pause.

It's amazing how much the stupid rightwing deniers twits will concoct. They are exactly like the tobacco industry. So now they can't even say there was a pause. All of the lame, statistically invalid graphs from the forest-from-the-trees website for the last 15 years is now officially BS. How will the deniers deal with it without their heads exploding again?

To be honest, I've been very skeptical of the lull because what I've seen is nothing but a continual exponential rise in temps.

and lies upon lies of where the CO2 manufactured heat is hiding, they have come up with the best of them all. What a surprise this happened when they "corrected".. er..excuse me.."cooked" the temperature.
Are you really surprised when someone finally corrects your wrong assumptions and misstatements about the data.


Jun 05, 2015
MR166 observes
The US has been accelerating down hill ever since
Indeed. its primarily a republican issue ideologically driven to put all responsibility for all thing as much as possible on people with as little as possible effort/consideration by government to support an enlightened society whilst pandering to business to extract as much wealth as possible eg NRA, Health Insurance etc

This can be circumvented by:-
Science education, especially Physics. Maths & especially psychology.

Why doesnt MR166 make a start ?

That way he can become immune to all politically driven propaganda by knowing the fundamentals.

Is that TOO simple ?

Jun 05, 2015
" I did and am not sure what was compromised other than poor security. "
-------------------------------------

It got a cheater into the Senate.

Did you look up the Office of Special Plans? Lt. Col Kwiatkowski, who blew the whilstle on them? No? Are you aware many of us knew of it long BEFORE the Dubya Invasion?

We tried and tried to tell those of you who were fooled, but you folk really needed that mass killing to feel powerful.

Jun 05, 2015
"Deniers are deniers for political reasons". Proponents have a profit motive. Which motive is dominant in humankind?


Political of course. Money is a means to power, and power is political.


Jun 05, 2015
@dung

Stopped there.

Insult is the last refuge of an exhausted intellect.

What kind of POS steals the honor of acedemia?

Jun 05, 2015
To most of us, POS means point-of-sale, a term both in business and equipment. What does it mean to your kind of folk?

And what is "acedemia"? Sounds like a skin condition.

Jun 05, 2015
El Stumpo,

I'm almost tempted to reset the Ignore button on you just to see what kind of mindless bilge you've been up to lately. But what would be the point? You know so little science & are so way more challenged in the math department that I'd be better stimulated engaging in a conversation with my six year old who already knows more than you in both of those departments. And hey, I should tell you, I have a ten year old who has just started learning calculus......these days Boolean Algebra is just so yesterday for him........How you doin' in those departments? Probably still imagining that Copy & Pasting is an enhanced computer skill, gkam must think so too.

Jun 05, 2015
MR166 observes
The US has been accelerating down hill ever since
Indeed. its primarily a republican issue ideologically driven to put all responsibility for all thing as much as possible on people with as little as possible effort/consideration by government to support an enlightened society whilst pandering to business to extract as much wealth as possible eg NRA, Health Insurance etc

This can be circumvented by:-
Science education, especially Physics. Maths & especially psychology.

Why doesnt MR166 make a start ?

That way he can become immune to all politically driven propaganda by knowing the fundamentals.

Is that TOO simple ?

Mike you seem to know math science etc. but despite this you are still a political illiterate.

Jun 05, 2015
AGW = Intellectual Dishonesty

It will be a great day when this fraud is finally exposed in such a way that it can't wriggle out.


But someone as idiotic as you? Actual dishonesty. The lie of misinformation is your crime.

Jun 05, 2015
Insult is the last refuge of an exhausted intellect.

In your one dried out pig eye you POS. As Stephen Hawking said "We are in danger of destroying ourselves by our greed and stupidity. We cannot remain looking inwards at ourselves on a small and increasingly polluted and overcrowded planet."
So quit being an ass holding the world back with your BS republican talking point crap!


Jun 05, 2015
"And hey, I should tell you, I have a ten year old who has just started learning calculus......these days Boolean Algebra is just so yesterday for him........"
----------------------------------

But haven't you shown us common sense and character do not come from math?

Jun 05, 2015
The 1% investing in these lies will extract trillions of dollars from the poor in this evil global warming scam.

Jun 05, 2015
Those of us with Master of Science degrees in this topic are even less than 1%.

We think you Deniers are just following political prejudice, rather then the science.

Jun 05, 2015
Oops, sorry about the than/then typo.

Jun 05, 2015
But someone as idiotic as you? Actual dishonesty. The lie of misinformation is your crime.

Do you write North Korean propaganda?

So quit being an ass holding the world back with your BS republican talking point crap!

Excuse me, your prejudiced liberalism is showing.

Those of us with Master of Science degrees in this topic are even less than 1%.

Great. Another one lying about their education.

We think you Deniers are just following political prejudice, rather then the science.

For the discerning observer looking for Anti-Tax, Terrorize and Wreck facts and data:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

http://www.drroyspencer.com/


Jun 05, 2015
"Deniers are deniers for political reasons". Proponents have a profit motive. Which motive is dominant in humankind?


Political of course. Money is a means to power, and power is political.


No. Profit is the primary driver. Look at the way some of the liberal voting US states are being raped right now due to global warming laws. California is the one I live in.

A lot of money going into General Funds, jobs being lost, special interests getting filthy rich.

Jun 05, 2015
"Deniers are deniers for political reasons". Proponents have a profit motive. Which motive is dominant in humankind?


Political of course. Money is a means to power, and power is political.


No. Profit is the primary driver. Look at the way some of the liberal voting US states are being raped right now due to global warming laws. California is the one I live in.

A lot of money going into General Funds, jobs being lost, special interests getting filthy rich.


Jobs being lost?

http://www.latime...ory.html

Jun 05, 2015


A lot of money going into General Funds, jobs being lost, special interests getting filthy rich.


@denglsh

As a fellow Californian it's embarrassing you have no idea how general funds are spent It is not a slush fund.

http://www.sco.ca...ing.html


Jun 05, 2015
In other words, you have declared that global warming is the kind of problem that markets can't deal with.
Huh? You mean the "stock" type markets where the 15-20 oil producing entities and their (in)security forces use some of their wealth to buy controlling interest in Boardwalk, Park Place, etc., cram the rest of us onto Baltic Ave., own everything from intellectual property to politicians, and have "Too big to fail" and "Don't even go to jail in the first place" cards? Or a stock type market with a "carbon" tax? Or NAFTA markets? TPP, TTIP markets maybe? Perhaps a "private bank charges the people's government interest to create its own money and then the banksters trickle down on the problem" type market?

Jun 06, 2015
Whoohooo yes i like, monkey donglish not holding back, heeding the call throwing all his toys out of the kot... crying like a little baby monkey... a....a....aaaaah....i warned ya not to mess with Captain and Mike, they always win... :D

So keep poking the giant, we got lots of bannanas for you

more...more monkey.... :D

Jun 06, 2015
but you need to man up your antiscience goracle gorilla account as well, go puppet it now we want to have some more fun this saturday... :D

Jun 06, 2015
The NOAA data is confined to U.S. land measurements. They ignore the more important sea buoy data. Recall that the land heats up more than the ocean's waters. Even worse, they select temperature monitoring stations located near heated air conditioner exhausts and asphalt parking lots.

Jun 06, 2015
The NOAA data is confined to U.S. land measurements. They ignore the more important sea buoy data. Recall that the land heats up more than the ocean's waters. Even worse, they select temperature monitoring stations located near heated air conditioner exhausts and asphalt parking lots.


Just plain wrong

https://www.ncdc....lies.php

Jun 06, 2015
"And hey, I should tell you, I have a ten year old who has just started learning calculus......these days Boolean Algebra is just so yesterday for him"


But haven't you shown us common sense and character do not come from math?


....and you've got it completely backwards, it is math that can bring common sense to issues of debate. Before Einstein's publication of Special Relativity, the debate surrounding Energy was a hotly debated topic in the world of Physics in the early 20th century, but Einstein brought all that to an end with his Mass/Energy Equivalence Principle in the form of E=mc*2, which today only the foolhardy think they're smart enough to contend is wrong, and once in awhile they show up here.

Ten years later Einstein ended the debate about the structure of the Universe when he published General Relativity with his Field Equations for gravity.

So you still think mathematical proficiency has no role in bringing common sense to issues of debate?

Jun 06, 2015


A lot of money going into General Funds, jobs being lost, special interests getting filthy rich.


@denglsh

As a fellow Californian it's embarrassing you have no idea how general funds are spent It is not a slush fund.

http://www.sco.ca...ing.html


Vet, if you believe that, you're only listening to the government mouthpieces...like the LA Times.

http://www.articl...e-912923


Jun 06, 2015
philstacy9 claims
The 1% investing in these lies will extract trillions of dollars from the poor .
Do the poor have these trillions to start with ?

philstacy9 with anti-science claims
in this evil global warming scam
What evidence is there to support your idiot notion of a scam, answer this:-

"How can adding billions of tonnes of CO2, with proven & irrefutable thermal properties, to the atmosphere somehow NOT increase thermal resistivity ?"

The key & core issue absolutely settled by physics/maths/experiment is radiative forcing but, many just CANNOT understand it because they missed out on an education, maybe not their fault, so why do they want to maintain ignorance, would that be a form of immense stupidity ?
http://en.wikiped..._forcing
based upon
https://en.wikipe...transfer

Logic is clear, if AGW deniers refuse to gain education in physics knowing its experimentally proven then they must be STUPID or PAID ?

Jun 06, 2015
MR166 states
Mike you seem to know math science etc. but despite this you are still a political illiterate.
Ah so you accept the settled Physics of
http://en.wikiped..._forcing
based upon
https://en.wikipe...transfer

Now you just have to deal with probability & statistics so you can make sense of how to manage measurement data & in respect of climate periods etc Also helps to have an understanding of
https://en.wikipe...periment

such as exploited to verify the specific effects of all greenhouse gases

In respect of politics, evidence is against you, unless you accept the key difference between republicans & democrats, the former enact legislation to to acquire wealth for commercial partners, eg Health Insurance. Whilst the latter promote social programs, lower cost health care etc

Issue with Health care is settled. In USA its expensive even with insurance, in UK is free, haven't you seen Moore's doco "Sicko" ?

Jun 06, 2015
deng, do you live in the Unites States?

Jun 06, 2015
"n respect of politics, evidence is against you, unless you accept the key difference between republicans & democrats, the former enact legislation to to acquire wealth for commercial partners, eg Health Insurance. Whilst the latter promote social programs, lower cost health care etc"

My God! You really don't know what is going on do you? To think that the Democrats are not connected to big business also, and to the same degree, is ludicrous.

The military/industrial complex owns the US government.

Jun 06, 2015
Want more environmental statistics? Check these out:

http://www.politi...t-000015

Jun 06, 2015
MR166,
Here:
http://www.politi...hp=b1_c1

I agree.

Jun 06, 2015
Insult is the last refuge of an exhausted intellect
@deng
you mean like
What kind of POS steals the honor of acedemia?
Or how about
You really are a POS, aren't ya? Name drop like you're credentialed, and you got nothing! Shameful.
better yet
I wonder if you came off as an entitled, victimized cunt.
found here: http://phys.org/n...ian.html

by all means, please: keep sharing and giving us all plenty demonstrations of your hypocrisy

i fully believed you would simply "ignore" me
what you are doing is simply arguing because you CHOSE a path of employment that is now being threatened
anyone with any logical skills could see that this was inevitable due to past threats to oil/etc (70's ring a bell?)

you have ZERO science and argue from debunked political/other perspectives
you don't CARE about the science

you are no different than a new Zephir sock

i only reply to you to share science over debunked politics

Jun 06, 2015
You know so little science & are so way more challenged in the math department
@benni
that why you are not able to refute the PROOF supplied above which you yourself demonstrate absolutely NO science or math skills?

WOW

then by all means, keep the ignore button on
just like dung: you offer nothing to the argument
the ONLY reason i am posting to you is to point out that you offer NOTHING to the argument and also share that your debunked arguments are political/religious/conspiratorial etc and you argue from ignorance
(actually, in both your cases, it is argument from blatant stupidity because most of the arguments have been DEBUNKED and pointed out to you)

So please: show us all the results of the differential equation challenge from this link where you were called out:
http://phys.org/n...ood.html

Jun 06, 2015
The NOAA data is confined to U.S. land measurements. They ignore the more important sea buoy data
@richard_f_cronin
from the study linked
First, several studies have examined the differences between buoy- and ship-based data, noting that the ship data are systematically warmer than the buoy data (15–17). This is particularly important, as much of the sea surface is now sampled by both observing systems, and surface-drifting and moored buoys have increased the overall global coverage by up to 15% (see supplemental material for details).... involved calculating the average difference between collocated buoy and ship SSTs. The average difference globally was −0.12°C
as you can see, the buoy data is included and even referenced so this claim is false
plus, you are making assumptions about parking lots/heated A/C units - care to share the link which supports that claim?
(no blogs or propaganda sites like watts or drroy, please)

Jun 06, 2015
If all I have to do is lie and make up all that BS, then I want to sign up to write a study debunking AGW. I could use the money, and I have as good an imagination as some of the Denier monkeys.

Jun 06, 2015
MR166 states
.. To think that the Democrats are not connected to big business also, and to the same degree, is ludicrous
No, never stated that. Focus on what I write not on what you imagine I think, thats one problem of many of those lacking education, they get angry with what they imagine not with clear incontrovertible evidence

All political parties have potential for connections with business at many levels, some are rather more unabashed at such connections Eg Republicans re medication bill as per the "Sicko" doco, have you seen it ?

Point is, which party has greater good for the 'people' as a whole, evidence sits with Democrats at present, might well change but, so far prevailing attempt at overt static control structures that do not favour healthy environmental management is with Republicans

MR166 states
The military/industrial complex owns the US government
To a degree & the case at various levels, which party however favours greater distancing ?

Jun 06, 2015
i only reply to you to share science over debunked politics


Tell us more about your university degrees.

deng, do you live in the Unites States?

No, I live in California.

Jun 06, 2015
The UKMO HadNMAT2 data are not available online so that the public can easily verify the NOAA ERSST.v4 results.

A preliminary investigation of the UKMO dataset suggests that the HadNMAT2 data do not support NOAA's claims of no slowdown in global surface warming. In other words, the HadNMAT2 data have a much lower warming rate than the new NOAA "pause buster" ERSST.v4 data since 1998.

When the HadNMAT2 data are finally published online by the UKMO, that reference data for the NOAA ERSST.v4 data will very likely put NOAA and the publishers of the Huang et al. (2015), Liu et al. (2015) and Karl et al. (2015) papers in very awkward positions. Time will tell.

I wonder if FIFA and NOAA officials take vacations together.

Jun 06, 2015
deng, do you live in the Unites States?

donglish lives inside a silkwormybox, fearing his oilboss silkwormymasters, and only say the dumb things they tell him to say, kind of like all the sockpuppets his puppeting.

He is trying at mental school to gain some perspective of reality, but progress is slow.

Jun 06, 2015
I wonder if FIFA and NOAA officials take vacations together.
Nope, but you, and the cockh brothers do.. and we all know what you naughty monkeys will be up to when left all by yourselves alone in the dark.. ;) :D

Jun 06, 2015
deng, do you live in the Unites States?

donglish lives inside a silkwormybox, fearing his oilboss silkwormymasters, and only say the dumb things they tell him to say, kind of like all the sockpuppets his puppeting.

He is trying at mental school to gain some perspective of reality, but progress is slow.

Do you expect to be taken seriously?

Jun 06, 2015
"No, I live in California."
---------------------------------------

Have you looked into Hayden Lake, Idaho? Lots of your folk there.

Jun 06, 2015
Back on topic, here is some more interesting reading re: NOAA adjustments:

https://stevengod...ess.com/

Jun 06, 2015
Have you looked into Hayden Lake, Idaho? Lots of your folk there.


No, I live in California.

What does where someone live have to do with NOAA data adjustments, and the question of the veracity of such actions?

Oh wait, I see... the suggestion that I am a racist is supposed to move us away from the topic!

In that case:

Red Herring: something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion.

Looking upwards in the thread, I am discovering lots and lots of red herrings! But...only from the AGW side.

Why does the side that is so overwhelmingly right choose red herrings as the foundation of their position?


Jun 06, 2015
It was a joke. That is a place with a lot of very conservative folk.

Jun 06, 2015
It was a joke. That is a place with a lot of very conservative folk.


Accusing someone of being a white supremacist is not a joke.

Have you considered that your target may be a German Jew by birth?

Jun 06, 2015
There are decent conservatives there, too. Why didn't you think I was speaking of them?

But, again, we see there was no warming "hiatus", and we are in for it.

We want to thank the denier folk for setting us back so many years in our effort to save the Earth.

Jun 06, 2015
Mike you seem to know math science etc. but despite this you are still a political illiterate.

You could not be referring to Muttering Mike. So now he's pretending to know politics.
Muttering Mike could not tell his arse from his mouth. Then again, I could not blame him, since they both spew the same thing.

Jun 06, 2015
If all I have to do is lie and make up all that BS, then I want to sign up to write a study debunking AGW. I could use the money, and I have as good an imagination as some of the Denier monkeys.
@jimee
heck, why not just take the posts from these threads, re-word them and then try to justify it as science and use PO as a reference, like the rest of the scientifically illiterate do here!

you could get a grant from the koch bro's to do it... i am sure they would support it!

great post! made me laugh!


Do you expect to be taken seriously?
@dung
nope
he is ridiculing you for your ignorance and blatant choices to utilize known fallacious arguments for the sake of supporting personal conjecture and religious like delusional beliefs

by all means, please keep posting
you are a rich source of data which can be later mined for proving the intentional refusal of trolls to accept known facts over personal beliefs

i love it

Jun 06, 2015
But, again, we see there was no warming "hiatus", and we are in for it.


The UKMO HadNMAT2 data are not available online so that the public can easily verify the NOAA ERSST.v4 results.

A preliminary investigation of the UKMO dataset suggests that the HadNMAT2 data do not support NOAA's claims of no slowdown in global surface warming. In other words, the HadNMAT2 data have a much lower warming rate than the new NOAA "pause buster" ERSST.v4 data since 1998.

When the HadNMAT2 data are finally published online by the UKMO, that reference data for the NOAA ERSST.v4 data will very likely put NOAA and the publishers of the Huang et al. (2015), Liu et al. (2015) and Karl et al. (2015) papers in very awkward positions. Time will tell.


Jun 06, 2015

you are a rich source of data which can be later mined for proving the intentional refusal of trolls to accept known facts over personal beliefs
i love it


Tell us more about your college degrees.

http://www.drroys...MIP5.png

Jun 06, 2015
Mike you seem to know math science etc. but despite this you are still a political illiterate.

You could not be referring to Muttering Mike. So now he's pretending to know politics.
Muttering Mike could not tell his arse from his mouth. Then again, I could not blame him, since they both spew the same thing.


If you want to know Muttering Mike's proficiency in math it's real easy to find out. He's a retired meteorologist living in the UK. Next you Google the universities in UK which provide majors in Meteorology, then you bring up the curriculum data for two or three of the largest institutions in the UK for which you've found a curriculum in Meteorology.

You only need to examine two or three of these UK institutions because all the smaller ones must copy the larger ones. I did this once a few months ago after I challenged MM on his proficiency in Calculus, specifically Differential Equations after he claimed to know how to do them,(what else could he say).

Jun 06, 2015
I am discovering lots and lots of red herrings! But...only from the AGW side
@deng
you mean like this one?
The NOAA data is confined to U.S. land measurements. They ignore the more important sea buoy data
by richard?
or perhaps this one
What kind of POS steals the honor of acedemia?
Or how about
You really are a POS, aren't ya?
better yet
It will be a great day when this fraud is finally exposed in such a way that it can't wriggle out
or
Lieing about education is shameful
[sic]
in all the above posts you've made, you've argued politics, personal conjecture and religious/conspiratorial ideation
but not once have you given ANYTHING like a scientific argument or even demonstrated a scientific literacy above the grade school level

but you think denigrations are the way to successful argument, as long as they are not directed at you- then it is
Insult is the last refuge of an exhausted intellect
you are a proven hypocrite and liar


Jun 06, 2015

you are a rich source of data which can be later mined for proving the intentional refusal of trolls to accept known facts over personal beliefs
i love it


Tell us more about your college degrees
not sure you would understand it... it would require a literacy above the 7th grade

perhaps you would like to link some more fallacious arguments that are debunked?

keep linking dr roy... that is always a good one for you
especially since even though he makes a lot of conjecture, none of it is published in reputable science journals

kinda like your own diatribes!
LOL

why not try another red herring?

if you can find a way to interpret any studies i've ever linked then please show us the rebuttal and scientific evidence
THANKS

Jun 06, 2015
Next you Google the universities in UK which provide majors
@benji-TROLL
funny:
you couldn't google "galactic year" or "Milankovitch Cycle" or "Chandler wobble" as demonstrated here:

http://phys.org/n...als.html

that shows you can't google OR do basic math, but you want to disparage another person who is bi-lingual?

what about being challenged to do differential equations here:

http://phys.org/n...ood.html

you couldn't even follow the terminology which everyone else seemed to understand just fine

why is that, mr NOOclear engineer?

was your google broke that day?

Jun 06, 2015
you are a proven hypocrite and liar

Tell us more about your college degrees.

if you can find a way to interpret any studies i've [sic] ever linked then please show us the rebuttal and scientific evidence


See the red highlighted part:
https://bobtisdal...le-1.png

Jun 06, 2015
See the red highlighted part:
https://bobtisdal...le-1.png
so how is a random table linked to a BLOG that is already proven and known to support pseudoscience somehow justification or refutation of the studies... ANY studies.... i linked?

better yet: how does this BLOG actually refute the linked study above?

there is no empirical evidence
there is no peer review
there is no link to a reputable journal
the blog author is known as a watts publisher and has been repeatedly debunked in the past

http://www.realsc...-armour/

but i digress... lets look at his journal entries or studies published which demonstrate at least a passing knowledge of physics or climate science

where are they?
https://scholar.g...as_sdtp=

not ONE peer reviewed journal on climate or physics

so- why the link to his site?
where is the SCIENCE?


Jun 06, 2015

Tell us more about your college degrees
@dung
ok, i will tell you and give you personal information as long as you go first

start by contacting me at SciForums and giving me a functional e-mail address: i will reply with my e-mail address (even though anyone with any logical or computer skills can get it right off the PO comments section)

then we can validate that we are who we say we are...

we can also do that publicly if you like:
it is not hard to find me as i've been called Truck Captain Stumpy for about 2 decades

let me know when you contact me that it is you (put your name in the header so that it can be validated)
we will move on from there

is that ok with you?

Jun 06, 2015
so how is a random table linked to a BLOG that is already proven and known to support pseudoscience

Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest. If one deflects criticism of a friend or ally simply because they are a friend or ally, that is intellectually dishonest.

is that ok with you?

A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue.

@dung
ok, i will tell you and give you personal information as long as you go first

Tell us more about your college degrees.


Jun 06, 2015
a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation
@d
so you are saying that any and all blog's are equivalent to empirical evidence produced by observation, experimentation and published with the strict controls by the scientific method and double checked by peer review?

HUH!
who would have thought!
If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest
but i provided links and evidence that take you to reputable sites (excluding the blog i linked, which is equivalent to your own link and thus produces a stalemate of equivalent evidence)
the ScienceMag study linked above is empirical as well as peer reviewed
the google scholar shows that bob is not a regularly published scientist and you've not provided justification for his graph and why it should be taken as an empirical study...

so far:
i've linked studies and peer reviewed data

you are still making emotional, political, conspiratorial and red herring arguments

Jun 06, 2015
A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue
@dung
yep
got that with your above posts, like
Tell us more about your college degrees
or
Lieing about education is shameful
&
What kind of POS steals the honor of acedemia?
or
You really are a POS
perhaps this is more your speed?
It will be a great day when this fraud is finally exposed in such a way that it can't wriggle out
basically, you have used the red herring (over used?) through out the entire argument

you are not substantiating ANY conjectures with reputable evidence

whereas, per my own criteria, i am giving proof either in your own words repeated or by links/studies
plus demonstrating that there is no reputable science being drawn upon by you (or your bob or roy links, either)

prove that AGW doesn't exist with science using the scientific method

Jun 06, 2015
Benni claims
If you want to know Muttering Mike's proficiency in math it's real easy to find out
Why ?
Benni claims
He's a retired meteorologist living in the UK. Next you Google the universities in UK which provide majors in Meteorology, then you bring up the curriculum data for two or three of the largest institutions in the UK for which you've found a curriculum in Meteorology
No. You are confused & can't read my posts & confused with runrig's. I'm in Perth, Western Australia, not retired, I design products, my credentials
http://www.niche..../physorg

Benni claimed to be an "Engineer", later "Nuclear Engineer" why won't he post his credentials ?

Benni claims
... few months ago after I challenged MM on his proficiency in Calculus, specifically Differential Equations (DE) after he claimed to know how to do them,(what else could he say)
No. Benni is very confused he 'tried' to challenge runrig not me

Benni often claims to do DE's, why ?

Jun 06, 2015
@d
one last point
Intellectual dishonesty ... If one judges ...
my criteria for evidence is as follows:
it must be reputable peer reviewed studies linked to a reputable journal (not pseudoscience like vixra or ieee publications for astrophysics)

it must demonstrate that something is validated (via studies or simply by showing that the opposite argument is fallacious, like posting your own words to show your own hypocrisy and "intellectual dishonesty" as well as blatant lies)

validation must be by 2nd party sources (as in studies etc, not claims like Mills hydrino BS)

i use these same criteria for links/proof

http://www.nature...65a.html

http://rspb.royal...20141856

http://www.scienc...abstract

http://marine.rut..._pub.pdf

judging your posts
you've not been able to disprove ANYTHING

i've proven MY points

Jun 06, 2015
antigoracle FAILs again in his claim
You could not be referring to Muttering Mike. So now he's pretending to know politics
No. I observe evidence & make decisions on that basis. I'm not currently interested in politics, especially US

Anyone can check congress' records re legislation & who benefits in terms of path of least resistance re correlation with commercial lobby groups over what periods, some of that offered in the documentary "Sicko" by Michael Moore. I stand by opinion as posted here :-)

antigoracle insults
Muttering Mike could not tell his arse from his mouth. Then again, I could not blame him, since they both spew the same thing
This is antigoracle to a Tee - exposing himself for all to see; a sad redneck who is angry with himself for not getting an education in Physics when he had the chance & now spews out evidence of his jealously of those that went further

Sad, antigoracle has been here since 2009 but, still hasn't gained Physics education

Jun 06, 2015
........ever notice that MM always demands of the other person "as long as you go first"? Actually, he doesn't need to submit personal information for us to discover his proficiency skills in Calculus.

I was just visiting the site of a Meteorology school in the US for curriculum content. I keyed in on the math pre-requisite courses & looked at the content of Calculus for Meteorology majors compared to the Calculus course content I took as an Engineering major, the content & scope of the math is not the same, talk about watered down math for Meteorology majors.

Now you understand why Muttering Mike wants you to go first, he either neither intends to keep up his end of the deal, or he's going to equivocate whatever you put up so that he doesn't look diminished in the eyes of the faithful congregants. And by the way, when MM took his Meteorology courses in the UK a hundred years ago, there very possibly was not a Calculus requirement.

Jun 06, 2015
you are still making emotional, political, conspiratorial and red herring arguments


http://www.nature...65a.html

To read this story in full you will need to login or make a payment

Tell us more about your college degrees.

Jun 06, 2015
not rated yet just added
Enightening email exchange between Anthony Watts and Dr Thomas Peterson:

http://www.ncdc.n...matology

Here.....
http://blog.hotwh...15801072

And reposted by me here....

http://judithcurr...t-709136

Jun 06, 2015
There goes Muttering Mike again pretending to know science -
No. I observe evidence & make decisions on that basis


I'm still waiting for him to give me the science behind this blabbering -
you do know US is only 2% of the globe so you must appreciate its stupid to rely on US as its adjacent to large ice masses ie Canada & North Pole


Jun 06, 2015
Sad, antigoracle has been here since 2009 but, still hasn't gained Physics education


.......and your Physics courses as a Meteorology major were grossly watered down by comparison to what Engineering majors need to take. The Calculus courses a present day Meteorology major takes are also pathetically watered down by comparison to what I took as an Engineering major.

So, Muttering Mike, the presumed positional superiority you proclaim for yourself is worshiped only by the likes of Stumpy & that gang of foul mouthed profanity prone neophytes who can only come up with you & DarkLordKelvin as the ministers of this decrepit theism called AGW & the Church of the Holy Hockey Stick.

Jun 06, 2015
To read this story in full you will need to login or make a payment
then i tell you what: stick to the ScienceMag articles

if there are any that you need, contact me at SciForums and get my e-mail and i will provide you the FULL study for your perusal, ok?

while you are at it - even though it doesn't give you the full details, you CAN still look for refuting evidence from reputable sources
there will be studies published in journals that directly refute it and will usually state so in the abstract, name, or specifically in the contents which ARE free

normally, you can look at google scholar for those references (google tracks your usage and thus will tailor what you see based upon history- so politics breeds more politics, not science)
Tell us ...
ROTFLMFAO
still with the red herrings?
really?
Ok.... as soon as you provide empirical evidence and reputable studies which refute the above and then link your own degree's
THANKS

Jun 06, 2015
MM always demands of the other person "as long as you go first"?
not only are you mixing your posters up due to age-related dementia (or illiteracy) but you are also TROLLING
Actually, he doesn't need to submit personal information for us to discover his proficiency skills in Calculus.
just like we don't need to see your own credentials since you've PROVEN that you can't do MATH
be it basic math:

http://phys.org/n...als.html

OR calculus (or differential equations)

http://phys.org/n...ood.html

To read this story in full you will need to login or make a payment
@d
the others are not restricted (except the Science Mag one, and there are free copies of it already floating around, so you CAN get that one if you simply look for it)

or you can contact me for a copy

show the valid scientific proof that those studies are wrong

THANKS

Jun 06, 2015
THANKS

Tell us more about your college degrees.

Jun 06, 2015
Here.....
http://blog.hotwh...15801072

This one is interesting. The moderators delete posts that disagree.

Ah, proof through censorship.

Smells like...progressiveness.

Jun 06, 2015
Tell us
@dung
sure
follow the above requirements and i will freely give you all my personal info

also
RED HERRING
intentional distraction from argument

where is that evidence which refutes those links?

where is the "intellectual honesty" which you so desperately crave but somehow cannot actually accomplish for yourself?

links/proof?
evidence?

i gave you plenty of evidence refuting your personal stance on AGW... where is your refute?

Jun 06, 2015
i [sic] gave you plenty of evidence refuting your personal stance on AGW... where is your refute?

Tell us more about your college degrees.

Jun 06, 2015
Hey there El Stumpo,

I still haven't reset my Ignore setting on you, so I don't know what you're saying, but wow, just look at all those postings you've submitted as you work so hard pretending to be relevant. I don't even wonder what you're saying. Been back to the fire station lately to climb aboard a truck to pretend you're still a Captain?

Jun 06, 2015
LOL He's a fire captain as well as a MIT graduate?

Oh man...the internet...

Jun 06, 2015
LOL He's a fire captain as well as a MIT graduate?

Oh man...the internet...

Hey, there are bios on this guy all over the place. Just plug "Captain Stumpy" into Google like I did a few months ago after he made a cyberthreat on me to commit ID Theft & bodily harm after he finds his way to my "doorstep". Yep, "doorstep" is his quote. I'll look it up for you & republish his quote, it was last July & I think the date was the 25th or 27th of 2014. I'll Search it tonight after the horserace & publish it. Look for it in a couple of hours.

Jun 06, 2015
Benni states
........ever notice that MM always demands of the other person "as long as you go first"? Actually, he doesn't need to submit personal information for us to discover his proficiency skills in Calculus
Prove it see link below.

Not relevant never asked to demo Calculus here, only use it sporadically in product design re passive component choices, probably need practice but, like riding a bike :-)

You write as if you've just discovered value of Calculus but, still don't write like an Engineer. Your preoccupation with claiming others can't do DE's when its not relevant betrays you !

Benni claimed
I keyed in on the math pre-requisite courses & looked at the content of Calculus for Meteorology majors compared to the Calculus course content I took as an Engineering major, the content & scope of the math is not the same, talk about watered down math for Meteorology majors
So what, never claimed to be Meteorologist, can't you read my link below ?

Jun 06, 2015
Benni claims
Now you understand why Muttering Mike wants you to go first, he either neither intends to keep up his end of the deal, or he's going to equivocate whatever you put up so that he doesn't look diminished in the eyes of the faithful congregants
No, you are wrong & its so easy to prove.

Evidence is clear, years ago ryggeson2 asked me my quals, I asked him to do same, I gave mine, he refused to prove his, mine still on phys.org try google
http://www.niche..../physorg
You can see I'm NOT a meteorologist & don't live in UK, can you read Benni ?

Benni goes on with
And by the way, when MM took his Meteorology courses in the UK a hundred years ago, there very possibly was not a Calculus requirement
Benni appears to write claims without reading posts preceding which directly address his claims

Benni are you ill, or pretending to be stupid, you seem to be like antigoracle, going to the trouble to show up your witless cognitive deficits often !

Jun 06, 2015
antigoracle claims
There goes Muttering Mike again pretending to know science
No pretense, evidence in my posts for yrs, I often comment on scientific method & prevailing theories which of course have immense evidence base

antigoracle claims
I'm still waiting for him to give me the science behind this blabbering -
you do know US is only 2% of the globe so you must appreciate its stupid to rely on US as its adjacent to large ice masses ie Canada & North Pole
Its geography antigoracle, I offered the fact to address your flakey question about a small part of the world

antigoracle by obfuscating Science you come across as paid flunky & refuse to get an education in Science which is essential to progressing, if at least from a Science-Engineering perspective, there are immense commercial opportunities to advance power generation & improve health/standards of living in the 3rd world, as I have Eg
http://members.ii...us/Power

:-)

Jun 06, 2015
Mike says....
You can see I'm NOT a meteorologist & don't live in UK, can you read Benni ?


AFAIK I am the only Meteorologist regularly posting here.
I am indeed in the UK and worked 32 yrs for the UKMO.
Qualifications required Maths, Stats and Physics and Computing up to HND standard along with the requisite longevity of service with UKMO.

Jun 06, 2015
LOL He's a fire captain as well as a MIT graduate?

Oh man...the internet...

Hey, there are bios on this guy all over the place. Just plug "Captain Stumpy" into Google like I did a few months ago after he made a cyberthreat on me to commit ID Theft & bodily harm after he finds his way to my "doorstep". Yep, "doorstep" is his quote. I'll look it up for you & republish his quote, it was last July & I think the date was the 25th or 27th of 2014. I'll Search it tonight after the horserace & publish it. Look for it in a couple of hours.

Well, that's why god invented .38s.

No need, I can tell by that person's writing style that they're a moron.

AFAIK I am the only Meteorologist regularly posting here.

Oh gawd...another one.

Jun 06, 2015
Been back to the fire station lately to climb aboard a truck to pretend you're still a Captain?
@benji_TROLL
learned how to do differential equations yet, you geriatric farce?
he made a cyberthreat on me to commit ID Theft & bodily harm
well, if you could prove that,then i would have been cited or arrested, as it is ILLEGAL in my state to threaten, make terroristic or cyber threats or in otherwise commit assault with the internet

all you gotta do is have me arrested, benniTROLL
ROTFLMFAO
by all means, share the link
ACTUALLY READ IT while you are at it, ok?
LMFAO
He's a fire captain as well as a MIT graduate?
@Dung
i never claimed to be an MIT grad, i said i took classes via the link provided above!

RED HERRING and distraction because you still have ZERO evidence

and i am not just a fire captain, i am a TRUCK Captain
any decent firefighter would know the difference between an Engine Capt and a Truck Capt.

maybe you could GOOGLE it!
LMFAO

Jun 06, 2015
and i am not just a fire captain, i am a TRUCK Captain

The internet.

This site rules as the great exposer of the AGW believers.

Jun 06, 2015
Well, that's why god invented .38s
@d
i can give you my address if you're game
i'm game...

better bring something a mite bigger than the .38 though
i'm already immune to those: already had my vaccination
ROTFLMFAO
I can tell by that person's writing style that they're a moron
Insult is the last refuge of an exhausted intellect

you are also being intellectually dishonest

Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion.

(yep, that is you all right... is that why you posted it dung? warning us all?)

where is that evidence against AGW?
why do you keep making the same RED HERRING argument?
why keep repeating the same STRAWMAN?

why do you keep trying to distract away from the facts or the lack of evidence on your part?


Jun 06, 2015
Insult is the last refuge of an exhausted intellect

you are also being intellectually dishonest

Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion.

better bring something a mite bigger than the .38 though
i'm already immune to those: already had my vaccination


omg that person's been shot too. *And*, they're looking for a gunfight.

AGW...whiskey tango foxtrot

Jesus..the internet...what next?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Truck captain...MIT grad (via internet) hahahahaha

Jun 06, 2015
Holy mackerel that person is reeling.

Jun 06, 2015
Oh gawd...another one.

No, as I said. The only one on here.

Jun 06, 2015
Oh gawd...another one.

No, as I said. The only one on here.


If you associate yourself with these people, I say you're lying.


Jun 06, 2015
So I google Captain Stumpy, and this is what I get:

http://www.amazon...7138908X

hahahaha

Jun 06, 2015
"Well, that's why god invented .38s."
----------------------------------

Another adolescent macho-mouth? How long would he last in a serious business, Stumpy?

Fact is, he would not be allowed in one.

Jun 06, 2015
@ denglish: As I promised you a couple hours ago, I've reproduced below between the hash marks Comments El Stumpo made to me when he got so mad at discovering that he had been called out by me on his braggadocio of his computer skills. He got so bent out of shape that you can see by his own words that he was sending me the message that unless I ceased challenging him that he would use his vast computer skills to cyber-terrorize me via ID Theft by which he could also find his way to my very doorstep.

More at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

Jun 06, 2015
From Stumpy: July 27, 2014

ROTFLMFAO
you DO REALISE that if I wanted to steal your info, I would just ping your server and get your internet IP which would give me the ability to go right to your doorstep? Easy since I KNOW your login here AND when you are on

you don't have anything of value to me.

and AGAIN! MORE PROOF that you are not an electrical engineer! LOL
YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT about computers!

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

Jun 06, 2015
Gruber science.

Jun 06, 2015
Sorry, benni, all I read was you bragging about math and Einstein, and Stumpy putting you straight. There was no threat.

Did you really claim to be a Nuclear Engineer? If so, we can have a wonderful discussion.

Jun 06, 2015
Sorry, benni, all I read was you bragging about math and Einstein, and Stumpy putting you straight. There was no threat.


.......but you're not my Attorney.

Jun 06, 2015
Did you really claim to be a Nuclear Engineer? If so, we can have a wonderful discussion.


....no we could never have "a wonderful discussion", not when you would make light of terroristic messages from posters on this forum to another.

Jun 06, 2015


Instead you should understand that God and science go hand-in-hand. They are NOT mutually exclusive, but rather mutually inclusive.



Which god, there are thousands?

Jun 07, 2015
I think it was last year that I offered here a $1000 dollar bet that the average temperature of 2015-2029 would be higher than 1998-2014. No takers from the believers in the pause. I offer the same bet again. Money from both parties in an escrow account or invested such that only the winner can take it in 2030. Will you take it? I want to increase my retirement fund.


This is the most ridiculous strawman that I have ever seen. Assume that the worshipers at the Church of AGW are correct. You win by default. Assume that the temperatures go down but the worshipers pull cheap stunts like this one? You would claim to win. Assume that there is no relationship between increasing CO2 levels and global warming, and that in thirty years those cooking the books have give up? Then and only then do you have a 50/50 chance of losing. Because if there is no long term global warming and no fudging of data, then it really is a coin flip.

Jun 07, 2015
If you associate yourself with these people, I say you're lying
@dung
well... of course you do
that is how TROLLING works!
We PROVE you are a liar, hypocrite and TROLL, so you simply call us names and say we are all LYING!
ROTFLMFAO
So I google Captain Stumpy, and this is what I get
TROLLING
and you can't even differentiate between a book and a person!
WOW
ROTFLMFAO

@dungDong

TROLL SOME MORE

it only substantiates my claims that you have absolutely NO evidence or science supporting your conjectures

i love how you've now turned all your personal animosity and jealousy into a direct attack on myself and anyone associated with me 9or who even claims to be educated)

why is that?
is there a failed attempt at college in your closet?

kicked out for failure like jvk?

or simply not able to get in?

let us all know

and thanks for all the "evidence" you linked
BLOGS ARE NOT SCIENCE

Jun 07, 2015
but you're not my Attorney
@benni
hey
speaking of attourney's and litigation

HOW COME i haven't heard from yours, the internet police, the FBI, my local sheriff or anyone else about your claims of "threatening you" or all that crap you are making up above?

even in your quoting of my posts, it stated " if I wanted to "

it isn't rocket surgery benni
and being a "nuclear engineer" like you claim, surely you know what 3rd party cookies can do...
Surely you know how computers talk to each other...
Surely you know that pinging a computer will let me know if you are ON or not

so...

when can i expect my subpoena?

I would LOVE to get you on the stand...

MOST IMPORTANTLY.... you have contributed absolutely NOTHING but TROLLING to this thread
and mostly TROLLING and stupidity to the site...

WHERE is your scientific evidence, credible papers or proof that AGW isn't real?
Where is your refute of my above links?

LMFAO

yall have me laughing HARD tonight!

Jun 07, 2015
. Assume that the temperatures go down but the worshipers pull cheap stunts like this one?
@eachus
here is a link that accesses data that is NOT from the above study which proves unequivocally that the temp rose AND that you are wrong...
http://www.woodfo...60/trend

that is data from BEFORE the study above which is only enhanced by the study... making a stronger correlation between the warming and data due to inclusions of Buoy data...

so, where is the "wrong" part?

you are making plenty of conjecture and absolutely NO evidence supporting your claim

where is your evidence supporting the inference to AGW being wrong?

you are another one TROLLING with NO evidence

Jun 07, 2015
I am talking about the God of Kepler and of Pascal and of Newton. There is only One.
@verkle
no, there isn't "only one"
There is Allah
there is Wakan Tanka

My Wakinyan Tanka (different from Wakan Tanka) say that you are wrong too... and i've proof that they exist that far outweighs your own conjecture or holy "comic"

the Wakinyan Tanka live in the clouds and atop the sacred Paha Sapa and manifest as the violent winds (AKA Tornado's) with lightning being the power of their glance...

that is far more empirical than your weakling sky faerie who only talks and never shows its face ...
it is also physical and measurable, not like your book which has been proven false

the Wakinyan also never died ... you still see them today
(worse, in fact- see AGW)

so for religious reasons, you are proven absolutely wrong about there being only one god

(satirical sarcasm)


Jun 07, 2015
Did you really claim to be a Nuclear Engineer? If so, we can have a wonderful discussion.


....no we could never have "a wonderful discussion", not when you would make light of terroristic messages from posters on this forum to another.
@benni
you also claimed to be an Electrical Engineer, which i can prove false by your own posts in this thread and your links you gave to the other thread

My daughter is an Electrical Engineer and knows more about coding and programming than most IT people... it tends to come with the job and degree

yet you don't comprehend the basics
Just more belly laughs about benniTROLL

Instead you should understand that God and science go hand-in-hand.
@verkle
based upon your comment and argument

this is the God of the Gaps argument
https://www.youtu...kg4hMRjs

epic fail

Jun 07, 2015
eachus claims
Assume that the worshipers at the Church of AGW are correct
The Physics, Maths & experimental evidence supports the proposition ie Rising CO2, CO2's thermal properties well known for >100yrs, proven not refuted, it is settled Physics !

eachus suggests
Assume that there is no relationship between increasing CO2 levels and global warming, and that in thirty years those cooking the books have give up?
No. Millions of Physics students around the world have studied radiative heat transfer for decades & unleashed on laboratories to examine/test the formulae/physics from lectures/tutorials - none found fault with:-
https://en.wikipe...transfer
leads to
http://en.wikiped..._forcing

eachus
"How can adding billions of tonnes of CO2, with proven thermal properties - to the atmosphere each year & having it accumulate, somehow NOT increase thermal resistivity ?"

Physics capisce' ?

Jun 07, 2015
verkle claims & doesnt understand
.. to remind you, I am talking about the God of Kepler and of Pascal and of Newton
No. Not the 'god of...', history of those times shows clearly if there was even a vague implication you didn't toe the line re god & church you were; ostracised, abused, bullied & allowed to be murdered - its clear bible's so called commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is wrong, phrasing should be "Thou shalt not Murder", that is, its acceptable to KILL if you deem you have a good (legal enough) reason Eg stoning etc

Your god is a capricious killer, Eg Samuel, the claimed deity KILLED 50,000 for looking in a box !

verkle claims
There is only One
Evidence from your own idolised book is abundantly clear, deity punishes all innocents & for EVER because deityt set up a young woman by planting (literally & figuratively) temptation deity KNEW ahead would fail (ie. Nil education in Guile) !

Its 'entrapment' ?

How does your deity/Devil communicate ?

Jun 07, 2015
phrasing should be "Thou shalt not Murder", that is, its acceptable to KILL if you deem you have a good (legal enough) reason Eg stoning etc
@Mike
actually, this is incorrect as well
not "legal".. just if you FELL like it

the bible might state that killing/murder is bad, but it actually supports it, even for like minded members!

as otto has pointed out time and again: it is tribalism at its finest
it is also violent and anyone who deems it justifiable to kill PERIOD is ok by god, according to the religion

case in point:
ALL xtian religions stem from the jewiswh AND muslim books (known as the old testament)
and yet, the xtians condone killing jewish, muslims AND EVEN other xtians as long as they are not their specific flavor (baptist, methodist, etc)
This means everyone, reading from the exact same texts, simply justifies murder and killing as OK as long as it feels good to them!

talk about promoting sociopathic antisocial behavior!

WOW, right?

Jun 07, 2015
Captain Stumpy offered
phrasing should be "Thou shalt not Murder", that is, its acceptable to KILL if you deem you have a good (legal enough) reason Eg stoning etc
@Mike
actually, this is incorrect as well
not "legal".. just if you FELL like it
Mostly yeah sure, I added the brackets as 'artistic license' only :-)

NB brackets aren't used in bible original greek/aramaic obtuse renditions etc. Been studying comparative religion since I came of age many moons ago circa 1980, do a bit of yoga & buddhist meditation nowadays, wrote a paper about 24 yrs back on the common issues re all religions and immense problem of certitude attachment re emotional hypnosis, some extracts I post on here occasionally, have lost interest since so many are so attached to notion there has to be a (human oriented) deity the addage "Its easier to fool someone straight up than educate them they have already been fooled"...

Applies to so many of all religions, even conglomerates

Jun 07, 2015
deng, do you live in the Unites States?

donglish lives inside a silkwormybox, fearing his oilboss silkwormymasters, and only say the dumb things they tell him to say, kind of like all the sockpuppets his puppeting.

He is trying at mental school to gain some perspective of reality, but progress is slow.

Do you expect to be taken seriously?


Judged by the support and my rankings vs yours, it's a no brainer... ;) of course, we're still trying to grow you one, but the size of the skull make's it difficult to squeeze in those extra braincells. :D

Jun 07, 2015
I am discovering lots and lots of red herrings! But...only from the AGW side @deng
you mean like this one? The NOAA data is confined to U.S. land measurements. They ignore the more important sea buoy data by richard?
in all the above posts you've made, you've argued politics, personal conjecture and religious/conspiratorial ideation
but not once have you given ANYTHING like a scientific argument or even demonstrated a scientific literacy above the grade school level


Oooohh... and another insult rubbed into donglish's face...they keep getting better :D

Jun 07, 2015
@donglish
you are still making emotional, political, conspiratorial and red herring arguments


Well said Captain, (he's still confined to the silkwormbox) so becomes very emotional when facing the real world even worse when faced with real scientific evidence... it's scary to him... ;)

Jun 07, 2015
you are a proven hypocrite and liar

Tell us more about your college degrees.

if you can find a way to interpret any studies i've [sic] ever linked then please show us the rebuttal and scientific evidence


See the red highlighted part:
https://bobtisdal...le-1.png


Donglish/antisciencegorilla finding it hard to pass mental school, but he'll be proud one day when showing his certificate to the world so he could apply for kindergarden, don't worry monkey we'll be proud of you too, and reward you with the bannanas you seek :D

Jun 07, 2015
Next you Google the universities in UK which provide majors
@benji-TROLL
funny:
you couldn't google "galactic year" or "Milankovitch Cycle" or "Chandler wobble" as demonstrated here:

http://phys.org/n...als.html

you couldn't even follow the terminology which everyone else seemed to understand just fine

why is that, mr NOOclear engineer?

was your google broke that day?


OOOOOHHHHH...... that is a show stopper well said Captain, benni/donglish gotta spank themselves harder to get out of this one (but i'm afraid as usual they'll just dig themselves in deeper with the next post) lol...

Jun 07, 2015
If you associate yourself with these people, I say you're lying.


You are a monkey, and monkey's get 1s out of 5's meaning their opinions means less than 0, that's why we are having so much fun with you... ;)

Jun 07, 2015
All in all a good show with the monkeys manning all their puppets, can it get even better... lol... i doubt it, they dug themsleves in real deep, almost at the 200 goal i set for them, atta monkeys, but i'm always open to some more surprizes... :D

Well done Captain, Mike,Gkam,Runrig,Maggnus for slapping the monkeys back in their cages everytime. :)

Jun 07, 2015
Judged by the support and my rankings vs yours, it's a no brainer of course, we're still trying to grow you one, but the size of the skull make's it difficult to squeeze in those extra braincells.


.....but your rankings come from those who would never recognize a Differential Equation when placed in front of their eyeballs.

Cyber threats, name calling & profanity sums up the voting block you identify yourself with. So why do you & the voting block you identify yourself with congregate on a science website?

You imagine you're some kind of "new scientist" because you've learned the technique of Copy & Paste, then when you employ Copy & Paste at a science site you imagine you are now just as smart as someone who has spent 4-7 years in a science based curriculum of higher education. All the name calling, the "monkey" stuff, etc, simply reveals the level of education you have. People use the language of what they know best, & we know your language isn't based in science.

Jun 07, 2015
It's good to have Captain Stumpy back in full flight, hopefully a little less extreme.

Otherwise not worth reading any of the very long comments

It's all been said many times previously.


Jun 07, 2015
It's good to have Captain Stumpy back in full flight, hopefully a little less extreme.

Otherwise not worth reading any of the very long comments

It's all been said many times previously.


.............you're known by the company you keep.

Jun 07, 2015
In other words, you have declared that global warming is the kind of problem that markets can't deal with.
You mean the "stock" type markets where the 15-20 oil producing entities and their (in)security forces use some of their wealth to buy controlling interest in Boardwalk, Park Place ...

Doesn't matter. Every time people advance the "global warming is a plot to extend the reach of government" argument, they admit that regulation is a better tool to deal with global warming than market-based alternatives. If they believed that market-based approaches were as good or better, they would argue for that alternative solution, instead of denying the problem. Every time they use that argument, they tell everyone of the limit of markets, but rarely get called on it. I think it's a case of solution aversion (http://psycnet.ap...ode=pa), and they get so focused on their dislike of the state that they don't notice what they imply about markets

Jun 07, 2015
You imagine you're some kind of "new scientist" because you've learned the technique of Copy & Paste, then when you employ Copy & Paste at a science site you imagine you are now just as smart as someone who has spent 4-7 years in a science based curriculum of higher education.


I know what you mean Bennie-Skippy. Like this couyon does,,,,,

http://phys.org/n...firstCmt

Man that couyon had to go to yahoo answers the question to find something to snip and glue,,,,

https://answers.y...9AAPuFyU

Oopsidaisy, that was Bennie-Skippy who snip and glued from the yahoo answers the questions. Well oh my golly gee, and it was the easy math stuff he had to snip and glue from the yahoo answers the question place. I guess that 7 years of studying different equations didn't take to good.

Bennie-Skippy, shame on you. (Everybody can bookmark the place for later, eh?)

Jun 07, 2015
".....but your rankings come from those who would never recognize a Differential Equation when placed in front of their eyeballs."
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Benni, your one accomplishment does not tell you about the Real World. And most of us can do it, too.

Jun 07, 2015
People use the language of what they know best, & we know your language isn't based in science.


This defines all of the above.

Its weird...these people present themselves as somethings, but express themselves as nothings. When the going gets tough, they digress from the topic and devolve into insult, threat, and demeaning innuendo. That tactic works against children, but when applied against discerning adults it is nonsense.

The AGW war has been lost on this site...a casualty of friendly fire.

Jun 07, 2015
Every time people advance the "global warming is a plot to extend the reach of government" argument, they admit that regulation is a better tool to deal with global warming than market-based alternatives.


AGW is absolutely a plot to extend the reach of government.

There is no "way" to deal with global warming. Humans cannot possibly hope to impact what the Earth decides to do. Thinking or suggesting that we can somehow influence nature is either naive, arrogant, or evil.

Jun 07, 2015