Global citizens 'very concerned' about climate

June 7, 2015
The widest global effort yet to gauge citizens' views on climate change showed 79 percent to be "very concerned" about
The widest global effort yet to gauge citizens' views on climate change showed 79 percent to be "very concerned" about its effects, but less than half support a carbon tax to curb emissions, organisers said

The widest global effort yet to gauge citizens' views on climate change showed 79 percent to be "very concerned" about its effects, but less than half support a carbon tax to curb emissions, organisers said Sunday.

Results of the day-long consultation held in 75 countries on Saturday were posted on the website of the initiative dubbed World Wide Views on Climate and Energy.

Next week, they will be put to climate negotiators meeting in Bonn, Germany ahead of a year-end United Nations conference in Paris, where nations have undertaken to sign a new world pact to curb .

Responses to a multiple-choice questionnaire showed that 71 percent of the 10,000-odd participants believe the UN negotiations process has not done enough to tackle climate change.

Nineteen percent of people said they were "moderately concerned" about the effects of , and fewer than two percent were not at all concerned.

A large 64 percent believes the Paris agreement should "do whatever it takes" to limit global warming to two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) over pre-Industrial Revolution levels—the UN goal.

When it comes to practical measures to halt planet-warming , however, the responses are more nuanced.

Only 16 percent support the introduction of a tax on carbon for all countries, 42 percent for all countries but with rising costs for those not reducing emissions, and 30 percent a tax linked to a country's level of development.

Nearly one in 10 was against a tax, which many green groups consider the best way to turn the tide against fossil fuels.

Forty-five percent of respondents said the world should stop exploring for fossil fuel reserves, but nearly a quarter believed it should continue.

From Senegal to China, Madagascar, Brazil and Japan, 96 debates were held with people from a cross-section of society in 75 countries.

Organisers included the secretariat of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), which gathers 195 nations in negotiations for a new, global pact, and France, the host of December's Conference of Parties.

Scientists warn that on current trends, Earth is on track for double the targeted 2 C limit, or more—a recipe for catastrophic droughts, fiercer storms and other extreme weather events.

The new pact will seek to stop the trend, supported by a roster of national pledges for greenhouse gas cuts.

Sixty-nine percent of participants in the global debate said the final deal should be legally binding on all the world's nations, and 93 percent said countries should agree in Paris to review their commitments every five years.

"I hope that decision-makers will find this initiative an important echo chamber of citizens' concerns, hopes and aspirations for the kind of world they want for themselves and their children," Christiana Figueres, executive director of the UN's Framework Convention on Climate Change, one of the organisers of the event, said Saturday.

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Bongstar420
1.7 / 5 (12) Jun 07, 2015
Putting the word "jesus" into the "global warming" "debate" doesn't do anything but make the "science" look bad.
Vietvet
5 / 5 (10) Jun 07, 2015
"Je suis"= "I am"
Shootist
1.4 / 5 (9) Jun 07, 2015
Global citizens?


"I'm just saying I don't understand it [climate] and neither does anybody else." - Freeman Dyson

Get a freaking clue global citizens. If Freeman Dyson doesn't understand something, you don't either.
richard_f_cronin
1.8 / 5 (5) Jun 08, 2015
Let's see. How goes the "war" on Chlorine and Bromine ? Ohh, the 1978 Montreal Protocol has worked just fine......as long as several signatories have no idea what they're self-reporting about chloro-fluoro-carbons. Freon@R 11 and 12 are still the most widely used refrigerants -- produced in Russia, China. India, and Brazil --- then sold thru Third World nations, who are exempt.

Now we have the "war" on Carbon and Nitrogen ( CO2, methane, N2O ). Good luck with that.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (9) Jun 08, 2015

If Freeman Dyson doesn't understand something, you don't either.

Quoting Freeman Dyson is a bit of a laugh as the man admits himself that he's not an expert.

http://en.wikiped..._warming
Dyson says his views on global warming have been strongly criticized. In reply, he notes that "[m]y objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but it's rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have."[56]

More recently, he has endorsed the now common usage of "global warming" as synonymous with global anthropogenic climate change, referring to "measurements that transformed global warming from a vague theoretical speculation into a precise observational science."[57]
gkam
2.5 / 5 (11) Jun 08, 2015
Freeman Dyson poops his pants.
MikPetter
5 / 5 (9) Jun 08, 2015
Lets put Freeman Dyson's comments in context with this extract from Scientific American Article about his comments "But Dyson's purpose seems to be to throw out "heretical" ideas that can then spur further debate....As he said: "I know a lot about nuclear weapons and nothing about climate change."
source http://blogs.scie...9-04-30/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Jun 08, 2015
Who are 'global citizens'?

People are citizens of nation-states, if they exist.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (6) Jun 09, 2015
Who are 'global citizens'?

It's the people who think that being ruled by an arbitrary/traditional system based on which patch of dirt your born on is sort of hysterically absurd notion - especially if one takes a bit larger view than "humans being the center and sole purpose of the universe"

It's those people that know that the universe (and Earth) doesn't care whether the species lives or goes extinct. And that if we don't want to go extinct we actually have to take care of stuff ourselves.

Artificial borders are not going to help us survive. That's for sure.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (6) Jun 09, 2015
Artificial borders are not going to help us survive.

They do if it contains the socialists that want to destroy individual liberty, prosperity and property rights.

Prosperous and free individuals have demonstrated the ingenuity and creativity to do more with less.

It's those people that know that the universe (and Earth) doesn't care whether the species lives or goes extinct.


Why do 'those people' believe they must be the saviors of the species? Why can't 'those people' support saving and promoting each individual of the species thereby saving all?
Answer: some of those individuals might have to be sacrificed for the 'greater good' if they don't want to follow the orders of the 'global citizen'.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (8) Jun 09, 2015
They do if it contains the socialists that want to destroy individual liberty,

You are aware that the kind of "liberty" you are defending is just socialism for the rich? You are a class socialist through and through.

Why do 'those people' believe they must be the saviors of the species?

Because no one else is doing it. And for some strange reason people have an aversion to death. (And some people are also 'social'. I know - that's a word you don't like. It's too close to 'socialist'. But as pointed out: you should get comfortable with that word, since you are one)

gkam
3.4 / 5 (10) Jun 09, 2015
Ryggy, selfishness is NOT a virtue, no matter what Ayn Rand bleated. She gave away her money so she could PARASITE off the rest of us, dying on welfare as a "millionaire".

Where is the honor in that?
runrig
4.4 / 5 (7) Jun 10, 2015
Ryggy, selfishness is NOT a virtue, no matter what Ayn Rand bleated. She gave away her money so she could PARASITE off the rest of us, dying on welfare as a "millionaire".

Where is the honor in that?

Exactly so gkam:
As I've said to him, selfishness, is arguably the worst of human traits .... because from that can spring many evils.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (6) Jun 10, 2015
As I've said to him, selfishness, is arguably the worst of human traits

I'd see it in a bit more differentiated way.
With altruism you're also trying to achieve an environment in which you yourself are comfortable/safe (i.e. hoping that by altruist deeds others may learn from your example and and maybe even help you in the future when you're in need). Altruism is not the same as blind servility. It is, partially, a long-term selfish motive.

However, as to the kind of selfishness rygg is espousing: I fully agree. That is just short-term egoism destined to shoot itself in the foot in the long-term (planned/willful long-term failure). It only works because he counts on others to clean up the mess/pay the bill so that he can shoot himself in the foot again.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (4) Jun 10, 2015
Like the church before them, the AGW Cult are desperate for converts...er... excuse me.. victims.
casualjoe
5 / 5 (6) Jun 10, 2015
Ryggs never read about Japan, Korea and Taiwan during 1958 to 1982? Heavily socialised yet still grew faster than the US, and then after that the US went even more neo libertarian, and grew slower still.

Plus, Finlands welfare state, 1.5 times larger as a % of GDP than the US and has grown almost 1.5 times faster over the last 40 years, it is therefore shown to be possible to design a good system which provides some security in an unpredictable world.

Security is good for investment and taking risks as the old saying goes 'Secure people dare..' Do you think it's better to create businesses out of fear of loosing everything, having to win at any cost? or because you are doing great and want to create a business to help people? Which businesses would be better to run/work for/buy from/live with out of these scenarios?
gkam
2.3 / 5 (6) Jun 10, 2015
I used to envy a friend of my dad's, an "independent" type, who needed nobody through life, except to use. Instead of being "independent:", his life left him with no family, no real friends, and he died with every important person in his life right there with him: He died all alone.

Selfishness is its own reward.
Mike_Massen
3.7 / 5 (6) Jun 10, 2015
antigoracle FAILs as an obviously paid flunky ignoring Physics with
Like the church before them, the AGW Cult are desperate for converts...er... excuse me.. victims.
You have been told MANY times you are not just wrong but show yourself up as completely stupid or a paid flunky or both !

antigoracle ignoramus, has been shown Physics of AGW is settled, no church only clear evidence
https://en.wikipe...transfer

which leads substantively to
http://en.wikiped..._forcing

Which is experimentally proven and known for several decades, millions of physics students unleashed on labs over the world have not refuted it as is the case with AGW deniers who focus on politics.

So why is antigoracle completely stupid; Easy, he ignores evidence, refuses to get an education in the core Physics, panders to political propaganda and the worst attempts to obfuscate Science !

Admins please ban antigoracle ?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (3) Jun 10, 2015
Japan, Korea and Taiwan were rebuilding economies after total devastation.
They are all homogenous societies and have had their share of corruption.
Italy and Germany did the same before WWII. It is called fascism, which is what we now have in the USA, too.
The USSR collapsed because top down central planning can't efficiently allocate resources and eventually you run out of other people's money.
The watermelons talk about sustainable ecologies. Socialism, fascism, ...are not sustainable as top down, central planning coercion is required perpetuate and maintain.
howhot2
5 / 5 (3) Jun 10, 2015
@R2 says
The watermelons talk about sustainable ecologies. Socialism, fascism, ..
Which is meaningless rightwing drivel.

@goreacle says
Like the church before them, the AGW Cult are desperate for converts...er... excuse me.. victims.

Also meaningless rightwing drivel.

@R2 says
They do if it contains the socialists that want to destroy individual liberty, prosperity and property rights.

Of course his rightwing views mask the social considerations for greed and property.

@ichard_f_cronin says
How goes the "war" on Chlorine and Bromine ?

Did some rightwing troll say there was a WAR on Chloride and Bromine? Thats new.

@shootit says
"I'm just saying I don't understand it [climate] and neither does anybody else." - Freeman Dyson

Of course loosing one's mind is a terrible waste. But to abuse this old man's ramblings is a shameful trick that only the rightwing trolls use.

So far the rightwing toadies seems pretty weak.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (4) Jun 11, 2015
I used to envy a friend of my dad's, an "independent" type, who needed nobody through life, except to use. Instead of being "independent:", his life left him with no family, no real friends, and he died with every important person in his life right there with him: He died all alone.

Selfishness is its own reward.
Is this your epitaph?
gkam
3 / 5 (6) Jun 11, 2015
"Admins please ban antigoracle ?"
------------------------------

We are not going to get rid of the cranks. Not the political toadies such as goricle, or the cut and paste fanatics such as Ryggy, nor the petulant snipers such as otto, since these are their pathetic lives.

Look at the boilerplate paragraphs from ryggy and Willie, all regurgitated bile from others who got it wrong. Look at the screaming-across-the-playground posts of otto, if he is still doing it.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (3) Jun 11, 2015
Who are 'global citizens'?

The ignorant who have fallen for the GloBULL Warming lies. Luckily they are few.
Mike_Massen
2.6 / 5 (5) Jun 11, 2015
antigoracle FAILs in his claim
Who are 'global citizens'?
The ignorant who have fallen for the GloBULL Warming lies. Luckily they are few.
Ignorant of what precisely ?

antigoracle has already demonstrated way too many times his ignorance of Physics, especially so
the experimentally proven formula of radiative heat transfer which shows definitively CO2's effect
https://en.wikipe...transfer

leads to
http://en.wikiped..._forcing

So when antigoracle states "The ignorant" he really means the various paid flunkys & rednecks like him who have NIL understanding of Physics & who FAIL at Science Communication !

Ans it is NOT the few who accept AGW, it is by far the majority as the FACTs are millions of Physics students for many decades who have been unleashed at university laboratories have not been able to refute the foundations of AGW and also no denier has either !

antigoracle the crank

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