Don't freak if you can't solve a math problem that's gone viral

June 25, 2015 by Kevin Knudson, The Conversation
Are you smarter than a third grader in Vietnam? Credit: www.shutterstock.com

It's been quite a year for mathematics problems on the internet. In the last few months, three questions have been online everywhere, causing consternation and head-scratching and blowing the minds of adults worldwide as examples of what kids are expected to know these days.

As a mathematician, I suppose I should subscribe to the "no such thing as bad publicity" theory, except that problems of this ilk a) usually aren't that difficult once you get the trick, b) sometimes aren't even math problems and c) fuel the defeatist "I'm not good at math" fire that pervades American culture. The inability to solve such a problem quickly is certainly not indicative of a person's overall math skill, nor should it prompt a crisis of confidence about the state of American math aptitude.

When is Cheryl's birthday?

In April, the internet erupted with shock that 10-year-olds in Singapore were asked to answer the following question on an exam.

The logic puzzle from the Singapore and Asian Math Olympiads.

Except that it wasn't for elementary school students at all; rather it appeared on an Asian Olympiad exam designed for mathematically talented . What's more, this isn't even a , but a logic problem. It's true that students tend to learn formal logic via (plane geometry in particular), so it is common to see problems of this type in mathematics competitions. When I was in junior high, we spent a good deal of time on these puzzles in my language arts class, and I met them again when taking the GRE prior to entering graduate school (the test contains a whole section of them).

If you're stumped, check out a solution to the problem.

Vietnamese eight-year-olds do arithmetic

A month later, we heard about a third grade teacher in Vietnam who set the following puzzle for his students. Place the digits from 1 to 9 in this grid, using each only once (the : represents division).

A puzzle for Vietnamese children. Credit: VN Express

This reminds me of the (probably apocraphyl) story of one of the greatest mathematicians in history, Carl Friedrich Gauss. Legend has it that when Gauss was seven or eight, his teacher, wanting to occupy his students for a while, told the class to add up the numbers from 1 to 100. Gauss thought about it for 30 seconds or so and wrote the correct answer, 5,050, on his slate and turned it in.

The puzzle above has a similar feel. It's really a question about knowing the order of arithmetic operations (multiplication/division, addition/subtraction, in that order). Beyond that, it just takes trial and error; that is, it's kind of just busy work. Someone who knows some algebra might be able to generate some equations to gain insight into how you might find a solution.

Another approach would be to open up a spreadsheet program and just try all the possibilities. Since there are nine choices for the first box, then eight choices for the second, and so on, there are only (9)(8)(7)(6)(5)(4)(3)(2)(1) = 362,880 possible configurations, of which only a few will give a valid equation. This can be programmed with very little effort.

Hannah's sweets

Just a couple of weeks ago, students in the UK vented their frustration via social media about a problem on the Edexcel GCSE (General Certificates of Secondary Education) mathematics exam. It is a probability question: Hannah has a bag containing n candies, six of which are orange and the rest of which are yellow. She takes two candies out of the bag and eats them. The probability that she ate two orange candies is 1/3. Given this, show that nĀ² - n - 90 = 0. The students' complaint? It's too difficult.


I've taught math long enough to recognize the pitfalls of setting this problem. The students actually have the knowledge to do it, if they know basic probability, but it is unlike problems they would have practiced. A typical question would indicate the total number of candies in the bag and ask to compute the probability of a certain outcome. This question gives the probability and asks for a condition on the number of candies. It's just algebra. You may read the solution (and some humorous memes about the question) here.

A nation at risk?

Mathematicians dread cocktail parties because we inevitably have to endure the response we receive when asked what we do: "Oh, I hated (or am terrible at) math." No other subject in school receives such scorn, nor would we find it acceptable for an adult to admit they are terrible at reading or writing. So when these "unsolvable" problems pop up, they simply reinforce our culture's math anxiety.

And that's a real shame, because everyone likes math when they're young. We all like to count. We like playing with blocks and shapes. We all use math daily whether we realize it or not ā€“ reading maps, planning routes, calculating tips. I once had a flooring installer tell me he was bad at math while I watched him lay tile. It's a myth that all these people can't do math. When people say they are "bad at math," they usually mean that they had trouble with algebra, although if you corner them and ask the right questions you can usually make them realize that they use algebra all the time without noticing it. This leads to valid criticisms of how we teach math, but it doesn't mean we're a nation of idiots.

So, the next time one of these outrageous problems comes along, instead of giving in to anxiety, why not think about it for a few minutes and try to find a solution? You might be surprised how satisfying it can be.

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antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (4) Jun 25, 2015
I shouldn't be, but am, surprized that this was written by a mathematician. The first question, is NOT math but logic.

Hmm..says right in the article:
What's more, this isn't even a math problem, but a logic problem.


RobertKarlStonjek
not rated yet Jun 26, 2015
The answer can not be derived from the information given without making assumptions of method common to logic study.

We are told that Albert is told the month but not the state of Bernard's knowledge: he does not know which day or month or both that Bernard was told so he can not know the state of Bernard's knowledge.

How does he know that Bernard does not know? Neither the question nor the given answer say what Albert's state of knowledge is or how he acquired it.

Likewise Bernard has no way of knowing what Albert knows or whether he was telling the truth when he made his statement. We are also not told if, when Albert and Bernard stated they knew the date of the birthday, they were actually correct, that they actually knew.

In other words, numerous assumptions must be made and magical abilities to acquire knowledge must be assumed in order to 'solve' the problem.

These assumptions can be anticipated only if it is known that one's logic ability alone is being tested.
RobertKarlStonjek
not rated yet Jun 26, 2015
PS Note that if the same question was asked in a psychology exam the correct answer would be that the birthday can not be determined because there is no way of verifying the honesty of Albert, Bernard or Cheryl, that teasing, for instance, is a normal human behaviour.

In a Physics exam the answer would be that the birthday can not be determined because there is no physical mechanism by which Albert and Bernard can acquire actual knowledge of the state of each other's mind (they can not 'know' something based on the unstated knowledge of the other person).

Thus without knowing the correct context the question is unanswerable or, there is more than one correct answer depending on the context of the question.
docile
Jun 26, 2015
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antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (3) Jun 26, 2015
Few 3rd graders are going to be able to do this, although I'm sure some can.

The point of the exercise is not to get the right answer (or a right answer as there are many). The point is to get kids to play around with numbers.

With one excercise the teacher accomplished what some textbooks need a whole pages of individual equations to do. And in the process kids learn that there are numbers which 'work' for certain types of situations and others that don't (common factors in this case).
Also it forces kids to apply the multiplication/division priorities over some 'optical glitz' the snakelike form seems to convey.

A pretty good trick from a paedagogic point of view.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (3) Jun 26, 2015
PS Note that if the same question was asked in a psychology exam the correct answer would be that the birthday can not be determined because there is no way of verifying the honesty of Albert, Bernard or Cheryl, that teasing, for instance, is a normal human behaviour.

These are pointless quibbles, because you can always put everything in question.
10+10= ?
Well, I can argue that I don't know whether '+', here, is the '+' of mathematical convention or a placeholder for some other information carrying entity (as for that matter I could argue that "10" doesn't mean ten but could mean two because I don't know in what base we are operating).

There are conventions in word problems, and one of the conventions is that the stated facts are true (unless specifically stated that they may not be). And that the definitions are the ones we commonly use (base ten instead of another one). Otherwise you need to start from basic axioms for every problem.
unskilledmathlover
not rated yet Jun 27, 2015
These kinds of problems play right into an American identity of math ignorance. They have little to do with practical work, nor with the beauty of math, and everything to do with portraying math as an arbitrary jumble of esoteric procedures and rules. It's all made worse because too many people had unsuitable math teaching. Math is tricky to teach well.
antigoracle
not rated yet Jun 28, 2015
Seriously!
They complained about that simple GCSE question?
Those eight year old Vietnamese kids must be laughing at you Brits.
Noumenon
not rated yet Jun 28, 2015
@Robert,.... It was logically implied that Albert knows that Bernard was told the day, and that Bernard knows that Albert was told the month,.... that and their three statements is all that is needed,....

Albert would not have been able to state that "Bernard did not know", had Albert been told may or june, because of the possibility that Bernard had been told "18" or "19".

From this Bernard ruled out May and June which told him the full date, and from Alberts perspective Bernard would not have been able to state that he "now knows" had the day been "14" since the month still could have been July or August.

Since "14" was ruled out and since Bernard states "he knows", Albert could not now state he knows if Albert was told August, because of there being two remaining possibilities, so the date must be July 16.
antigoracle
not rated yet Jun 28, 2015
Nope. June 18
Noumenon
not rated yet Jun 28, 2015
Nope. June 18


Explain the logical steps.

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