A recipe for returning Pluto to full planethood

February 20, 2015 by Tim Reyes, Universe Today
The eight planets of the Solar System and the dwarf planet Pluto. For many astronomers and planetary scientists Pluto’s status remains an open question. Redefining what is a planet could return Pluto to the fold but also open the door for many more. Insets from upper left, clockwise: Clyde Tombaugh, Mike Brown, Alan Stern, Gerard Kuiper – prominent scientists and discoverers that have led to the present definition of planet.Credit: NASA, Judy Schmidt, Björn Jónsson

A storm is brewing, a battle of words and a war of the worlds. The Earth is not at risk. It is mostly a civil dispute, but it has the potential to influence the path of careers. In 2014, a Harvard led debate was undertaken on the question: Is Pluto a planet. The impact of the definition of planet and everything else is far reaching – to the ends of the Universe.

It could mean a count of trillions of planets in our galaxy alone or it means leaving the planet Pluto out of the count – designation, just a dwarf planet. This is a question of how to classify non-stellar objects. What is a planet, asteroid, comet, planetoid or dwarf planet? Does our Solar System have 8 planets or some other number? Even the count of planets in our Milky Way galaxy is at stake.

Not to dwell on the Harvard debate, let it be known that if given their way, the debates outcome would reset the Solar System to nine planets. For over eight years, the has had eight planets. During the period 1807 to 1845, our Solar System had eleven planets. Neptune was discovered in 1846 and astronomers began to discover many more asteroids. They were eliminated from the club. This is very similar to what is now happening to Pluto-like objects – Plutoids. So from 1846 to 1930, there were 8 planets – the ones as defined today.

In 1930, a Kansas farm boy, Clyde Tombaugh, hired by Lowell Observatory discovered Pluto and for 76 years there were 9 planets. In the year 2006, the International Astronomical Union (IAU) took up a debate using a "democratic process" to accept a new definition of planet, define a new type – dwarf planet and then set everything else as "Small Bodies." If your head is spinning with planets, you are not alone.

Two NASA missions were launched immediately before and after the IAU announcement took affect. The Dawn mission suddenly was to be launched to an asteroid and a dwarf planet and the New Horizons had rather embarked on a nine year journey to a planet belittled to a dwarf planet – Pluto. Principal Investigator, Dr. Alan Stern was upset. Furthermore, from the discoveries of the Kuiper mission and other discoveries, we now know that there are hundreds of billions of planets in our Milky Way galaxy; possibly trillions. The present definition excludes hundreds of billions of bodies from planethood status.

There are two main camps with de facto leaders. One camp has Dr. Mike Brown of Caltech and the other, Dr. Stern of the Southwest Research Institute (SWRI) as leading figures. A primary focus of Dr. Brown's research is the study of trans-Neptunian objects while Dr. Sterns's activities are many but specifically, the New Horizons mission which is 6 months away from its flyby of Pluto. Consider first the IAU Resolution 5A that its members approved:

  1. A "planet" is a that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit.
  2. A "dwarf planet" is a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape2, (c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit, and (d) is not a satellite.
  3. All other objects, except satellites, orbiting the Sun shall be referred to collectively as "Small Solar System Bodies".

This is our starting point – planet, dwarf planet, everything else. Consider "everything else". This broad category includes meteoroids, asteroids, comets and planetesimals. Perhaps other small body types will arise as we look more closely at the Universe. Within the category, there is now a question of what is an asteroid and what is a comet. NASA's flybys of comets and now ESA's Rosetta at 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko are making the delineation between the two types difficult. The difference between a meteoroid and an asteroid is simply defined as less than or greater than one meter in size, respectively. So the Chelyabinsk event absolutely involved a small asteroid – about 20 meters in diameter. Planetesimals are small bodies in a solar nebula that are the building blocks of planets but they could lead to the creation of all the other types of small bodies.

Putting aside the question of "Small Bodies" and its sub-classes, what should be the definition of planet and dwarf planet? These are the two terms that demoted Pluto and raised Ceres to dwarf planet. It is also interesting to note how Resolution 5A is meant exclusively for our Solar System. In 2006, there were not thousands of exo-planets but just a few dozen extreme cases but nevertheless, the IAU did not choose to extend the definition to "stars" but rather just in reference to our pretty well known star, the Sun.

Recall Tim Allen's movie, "The Santa Clause". Clauses can cause a heap of trouble. The IAU has such a clause – Clause C which has caused much of the present controversy around the definition of planets. Clause (c) of Resolution 5A: "has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit." This is the Pluto killer-clause which demoted it to dwarf planet status and reduced the number of planets in our solar system to eight. In a sense, the IAU chose to cauterize a wound, a weakness in the definitions, that if left unchanged, would have led to who knows how many planets in our Solar System.

The question of what is Pluto is open for public discussion so armed with enough knowledge to be dangerous, the following is my proposed alternative to the IAU's that are arguably an improvement. The present challenge to Pluto's status lies in the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud. Such belts or clouds are probably not uncommon throughout the galaxy. Plutoids are the 500 lb gorilla in the room.

This year, as touted by the likes of Planetary Society, Universe Today and elsewhere, is the year of the dwarf planet. How remarkable and surprising will the study of Ceres, Pluto and Charon by NASA spacecraft be? There is a strong possibility that after the celestial dust clears and data analysis is published, the IAU will take on the challenge again to better define what is a planet and everything else. It is impossible to imagine that the definitions can remain unchanged for long. Even now, there is sufficient information to independently assess the definitions and weigh in on the approaching debate. Anyone or any group – from grade schools to astronomical societies – can take on the challenge.

“Dawn arising.” The latest image of Ceres – February 12, 2015 – by the Dawn spacecraft from 80,000 km. With icy deposits pock marking its surface, a possible reservoir of water below its surface, is Ceres a planet, dwarf planet, an asteroid or all three? Credit: NASA/Dawn

To encourage a debate and educate the public on the incredible universe that space probes and advanced telescopes are revealing, what follows is one proposed solution to what is a planet and everything else.

planet: is a celestial body that a) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium – nearly round shape, b) has a differentiated interior as a result of its formation c) has insufficient mass to fuse hydrogen in its core, d) does not match the definition of a moon.

minor planet: is a planet with a mass less than one Pluto mass and does not match the definition of a moon.

inter-Stellar (minor) planet: is a (minor) planet that is not gravitationally bound to a stellar object.

binary (minor) planet: is a celestial body that is orbiting another (minor) planet for which the system's barycenter resides above the surface of both bodies.

These definitions solve some hairy dilemmas. For one, planets orbit around the majority of most stars in the Universe, not just the Sun as Resolution 5A was only intended. Planets can also exist gravitationally not bound to a star – the result of it own molecular cloud collapse without a star or expulsion from a stellar system. One could specify gravitational expulsion however, it is possible that explosive events occur that cause the disintegration of a star and its binding gravity or creates such an impulse that a planet is thrusted out of a stellar system. Having an atmosphere certainly doesn't work. Astronomers are already anticipating Mars or Earth-sized objects deep in the Oort cloud that could have no atmosphere – frozen out and also despite their size, not be able to "clear their neighborhood."

The need to create a lower-end limit to what is a planet reached a near fever pitch with the discovery of a Trans-Nepturnian Object (TNO) in 2005 that is bigger than Pluto – Eris. Dr. Michael Brown of Caltech and his team led in the discovery of bright large KBOs. There was not just Eris but many of nearly the same size as Pluto. So without clause (c), one would be left with a definition for planet that could allow the count of planets in our Solar System to rise into the hundreds maybe even thousands. This would become a rather unmanageable problem; the number of planets rising year after year and never settled and with no means to make reasonable comparisons between planetary systems throughout our galaxy and even the Universe.

Two more celestial body types follow that are proposed to round out the set.

moon: is a celestial body that a) orbits a (minor) planet and b) for which the barycenter of its orbit is below the surface of its parent (minor) planet.

Forget about Pluto for a moment. Should Eris be our tenth planet? Like Pluto it has a prominent moon- Dysnomia. Human perception and conceptions of the Universe have shaped our view of the Solar System. The Ptolemaic system (Earth centered), Kepler’s Harmonic Spheres, even the fact that ten digits reside on our hands impact our impression of the Solar System. Credit: NASA/ESA and M. Brown / Caltech

This creates the possibility of a planet-moon system such that its barycenter is above the surface of the larger body. Pluto and Charon are the most prominent case in our Solar System. In such cases, if one body meets the criteria of a (minor)planet, then the other body can also be assessed to determine if it is also a (minor) planet and the pair as binary (minor) planets. If the primary body was a minor planet, it is possible that the barycenter could be above its surface but the secondary body does not meet all the criteria of a minor planet, specifically "differentiated interior".

A recipe for returning pluto to full planethood
All two body systems have a barycenter, the shared point in space around which they orbit. Pluto and Charon’s happens to be between both bodies due to their proximity and similar mass. Credit: NASA/New Horizons

The definition of moon is compounded by the existence of, for example, asteroids with moons. For such objects, the smaller object is defined as a satellite.

Satellite: is a celestial body that a) orbits another celestial body, b) whose parent body is not a (minor) planet.

Another permissible term is "moonlet," which could be used to describe both very small moons such as those found in the Jovian and Saturn systems or a small body orbiting an asteroid or comet. Moonlet could replace satellite.

The discriminator between planet and moon is not mass but simply whether the celestial body orbits a (minor) planet and the barycenter resides inside the larger body. The definition of moon excludes the possibility of a planet orbiting another planet except in the special case of binary (minor) planet.

Three perspectives of a ten planet Solar System. No longer Earth centered, or with harmonic spheres but now with planets outside the ecliptic plane and growing. How many planets would be too many? Credit: Wikimedia, T.Reyes

Defining a lower size limit to "Planet" is necessary to compare stellar systems and classify. A limit based on the body's average surface pressure and temperature or the surface gravity could define a limit. While they could, they are not practical because of the extremes and diverse combinations of conditions. Strange objects would fall through the cracks.

The presently known largest trans-Neptunian objects (TSO) – are likely to be surpassed by future discoveries. Which of these trans-Neptunian objects (TSO) would you call planets and which “dwarf planets”? Credit: Larry McNish, M.Brown

Removing clause (c) – "has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit" – will avoid a future conflict such as a very low mass star with a plutoid-sized object or smaller, in a close orbit that has cleared its neighborhood.

Additionally, choosing to declare that Pluto becomes the "standard weight" that differentiates minor planet from planet sets a precedent. In an era in which computers measure and tally the state of our existence, setting this limit to include Pluto and return it as the ninth planet of our Solar System, is, in a small but significant way, a re-declaration of our humanity. Soon we will be challenged by artificial intelligence greater than ours; we are already have. Where will we stand our ground?

The consequences of this proposed set of definitions, makes Ceres a and no longer an asteroid. Many trans-Neptunian objects discovered in this century become minor planets. Of the known TNOs only Pluto and Eris meets the criteria of planet.The dwarf planet Eris would become the tenth planet. Makemake, Sedna, Quaoar, Orcus, Haumea would be minor planets. By keeping Pluto a planet and defining it as the standard bearer, only one new planet must be declared. Surely, more will be found, very distant, in odd elliptical and tilted orbits. The count of in our solar system could rise by 10, 20 maybe 50 and perhaps this would make the definition untenable but maybe not. So be it. New Horizons will fly by a in July but this should mark the beginning of the end of the present set of definitions.

This set of definitions defines a set of celestial bodies that consistently covers the spectrum of known bodies. There is the potential of exotic celestial objects that are spawned from cataclysmic events or from the unique conditions during the early epochs of the Universe or from remnants of old or dying stellar objects. Their discovery will likely trigger new or revised definitions but these definitions are a good working set for the time being. Ultimately, it is the decision of the IAU but the sharing of knowledge and the democratic processes that we cherish permits anyone to question and evaluate such definitions or proclamations.To all that share an interest in Pluto as or as not a planet raise your hand and be heard.

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Shakescene21
2 / 5 (4) Feb 20, 2015
Tim Reyes glosses over the Achilles heel of his proposal: namely that this scheme could eventually add "10, 20 maybe 50" to the current list of eight planets. There aren't enough significant Roman gods to name 50 more planets.
antialias_physorg
4.5 / 5 (16) Feb 20, 2015
Oh man...if ever there was a dead horse being flogged it is the ongoing debate after the decision about Pluto being a planet or not.

Who. Cares.

The solar system doesn't look one cubic millimeter different whether we use definition a) or b). The only thing here is convenience in terms of publishing papers - i.e. so that when people use the word 'planet' in a paper they don't have to go on a 5 page excursion of what they mean by it.
(Also it was a good idea to 'demote' Pluto because otherwise you have to rewrite school textbooks every year. The number of 'planets' would up quite frequently in our solar system, otherwise.)
Science Officer
3.4 / 5 (5) Feb 20, 2015
I have no problem accepting Pluto as a Planet, and belonging to a larger group of other Trans-Neputune objects that are classified as something else. The IAU lost sight of the historical significance Pluto has had in our human experience. A significance which the asteroid Ceres does not hold in our memories. A sterile, precise definition of a Planet may be a more reasoned and scientific description of a place in which to exist. But it makes the Solar System a smaller place in which to live.
Moebius
1.1 / 5 (7) Feb 20, 2015
As far as I'm concerned there was 9 planets and there still is and there shouldn't be any more or less (barring a capture).

We define things and then delude ourselves into thinking those definitions are the living embodiment of ultimate truth. For instance, the definition of a prime number is contrived and incorrect. Yet that definition goes unchallenged as if it were written by god. 2 is not prime, any more than any other even number. It's only considered prime because of a definition that's incomplete. The definition could easily be rewritten to eliminate all even numbers as it should be.

Another example is infinity. We came up with that concept in our minds and have given it a life as if it really exists. It probably only exists in our mind. Maybe it's just -1/12

Or time. Everything we think we know about time is probably wrong.
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (12) Feb 20, 2015
IAU allowed less than 500 members of it's nearly10,000 membership body to decide the Pluto issue.
The IAU was asked to also open their organization up to at least some non professionals to have some input to the decision on Pluto's status but IAU refused. Also it must be noted that the IAU had been asked for years to open it organization up to other non Professionals and has turn a deaf hear to such request.
Also there was a clear undercurrent of anti- American sentiment from some members who voted on the Pluto issue. It was not about the science but the distaste that an object had been given planet status which had been discovered by an American.
Also there were calls inside and outside the IAU to wait on a decision until New Horizon reach Pluto so a better understand of the issue could be had. Once again the IAU refused to listen to common sense and reason.
For others and myself the behaviors of the IAU on the issue pretty much has made this deaf elitist body irrelevant.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (19) Feb 20, 2015
@ Tim Reyes-Skippy. How you are Cher? I'm good thanks for asking.

Your opinion of your self sounds like Returnering-Skippy's opinion of his self.

the following is my proposed alternative to the IAU's that are arguably an improvement


But if you just want to argue about it, you sure came to the right place. I will argue that your idea is not so much the improvement.

1. It makes too many planets.

2. It changes the exoplanets into planets and it will be a while before anybody know enough about them to put them equal to the eight planets we got here in our solar system.

4. Pluto is weird and not like the eight regular planets.

5. Your plan to win a date with the Pluto-lady-Skippette is something you should not do on the physorg. If you got the crush on her, why you take it out on us?

There are my arguments. You want the silly looking pointy cap now?

TechnoCreed
4.7 / 5 (14) Feb 20, 2015
Also there was a clear undercurrent of anti- American sentiment from some members who voted on the Pluto issue. It was not about the science but the distaste that an object had been given planet status which had been discovered by an American.
Since you could not refrain from bringing forth this kind of paranoia, I could not hold back my urge to give you a 1. Welcome to Phys.org comment columns; an international forum.
ManintheMoon
1.4 / 5 (10) Feb 20, 2015
TechnoCreed
If fact has now became charges of paranoia then it speaks volumes about those that support the IAU and the log in the eye of some of it's members and supporters.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (15) Feb 20, 2015
Also there was a clear undercurrent of anti- American sentiment from some members who voted on the Pluto issue. It was not about the science but the distaste that an object had been given planet status which had been discovered by an American.
Since you could not refrain from bringing forth this kind of paranoia, I could not hold back my urge to give you a 1. Welcome to Phys.org comment columns; an international forum.


@ Techno-Skippy, yeah, that is pretty stupid isn't. They was mad at America so they took out on Pluto. It do lead to the question though, just how the American Astro-Skippys voted? Isn't the Mike-Brown-Skippy an American? Changing the definition was his idea in the first (or maybe second) place.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (13) Feb 20, 2015
TechnoCreed
If fact has now became charges of paranoia then it speaks volumes about those that support the IAU and the log in the eye of some of it's members and supporters.


It is not fact, it's not even paranoia. What it is is the made up reason to try win some argument. It was also a silly reason to make up. It was too easy to check out just how the Americans on the IAU voted and the fact it was the American that first started the idea of giving Pluto the planetary boot.
ManintheMoon
1.7 / 5 (7) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
The majority vote on the issues were not Americans. Remember the facts do show that less than 500 members voted on issues. Getting your facts straight would help.
Also it is a fact that others ask to a have a place at the table in deciding the Pluto issue and were refused by the IAU. Then again such facts others and you seems to have missed or maybe it's just revisionary history on your part and others at work. Then again truths has now became a label of "Paranoia" when it does not fit the sanitized narrative of some in the IAU and it's supporters.
Also the fact that IAU has been asked to open it's ranks to others for years is a fact.
In addition there was a call from many to allow the New Horizon mission to take place before a decision was made on the issue. This is a fact.
The fact is a small numbers of members of the IAU rammed this throw against the calls for restrain and reason.
ManintheMoon
1.6 / 5 (7) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira and TechnoCreed
If the IAU had such over whelming support from it's membership to the Pluto issue pleased do enlighten us bumpkins out here to why they couldn't even muster 25% of it membership, much less a majority, to vote on the issue. Speaks volume to a organization that has pretty much shown that it has disenfranchised the majority of it's own membership.

Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (17) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
The majority vote on the issues were not Americans.


Why should Americans get more votes than anybody else?

Remember the facts do show that less than 500 members voted on issues. Getting your facts straight would help.


Skippy, I got my facts straight. Do all the peoples who sit out the elections get chime in later about they don't like the President and get a do-over?

Also it is a fact that others ask to a have a place at the table in deciding the Pluto issue and were refused by the IAU.


Well I don't like what the Skippys up in Texas do, and they don't invite me to dinner at their table either, boo-hoo for both of us.

Then again such facts others and you seems to have missed or maybe it's just revisionary history on your part and others at work.


I am sure you think that sounds all lawyery and smart. But it is silly, so you get a brand new shiny silly looking pointy cap, just for trying that line out on me.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (17) Feb 20, 2015
P.S. for you Moon-Skippy because I run out of letters spaces on the other one.

Then again truths has now became a label of "Paranoia" when it does not fit the sanitized narrative of some in the IAU and it's supporters.


Where you learn to talk like that? As far as I know the IAU is a private club. If I was them I wouldn't let you in either, you sound to emotional to be a good scientist.

Also the fact that IAU has been asked to open it's ranks to others for years is a fact.


I know how you feel Cher, I been asking the doctor and lawyer clubs to let me in for years too. It is a fact, they keep telling me that I probably don't have anything they need or want.

In addition there was a call from many to allow the New Horizon mission to take place before a decision was made on the issue. This is a fact.


I called for a lot things all my life too. Now I'm calling on you to sit down and shut up. Let's see how well that works.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (17) Feb 20, 2015
P.S. for you Moon-Skippy again because I run out of letters spaces on the other one again.

Uncle Ira and TechnoCreed
If the IAU had such over whelming support from it's membership to the Pluto issue pleased do enlighten us bumpkins out here to why they couldn't even muster 25% of it membership, much less a majority, to vote on the issue.


You aren't very smart are you Cher. That is too easy. It means that for 75% of the member-Skippys it was not very important and they just didn't care about it one way or the other.

Speaks volume to a organization that has pretty much shown that it has disenfranchised the majority of it's own membership.


That's why you won the permanent right to a personalized silly looking pointy to cap to wear at the physorg. Let them disenfranchised-Skippys speak for them selfs. They didn't let you in the club, so your opinion don't count.
ManintheMoon
2.3 / 5 (8) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
Your post show your level of ability to hold any intelligent discourse on a issue and can only stoop to the shallow base of name calling.
Let you know I never ask to be part of the IAU or would I want too.
I never posted that Americans should get more votes. Yep this shows your poor attempt to side step the issue. In addition to try to promote, back handed, a lie to what was posted.
At least if you are going to attempt a lie be forthright about!
The IAU is allowed to set standard and criteria for "everyone on the Planet" in the field of Astronomy.
Saying it is a private club is like a whites only club that gets to set standards for all others. Yep your post help supports my claim to the arrogant elitism of some in the IAU. Thanks!
"It means that for 75% of the member-Skippys it was not very important and they just didn't care about it one way or the other."
Nope you have zero proof to support such statement. Go stand with your nose in corner for lying.
ManintheMoon
1.6 / 5 (7) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
"If I was them I wouldn't let you in either, you sound to emotional to be a good scientist."
Let this statement also apply to you since plainly your emotions have gotten the better of you since you had to stoop to childish name calling and poor attempts at lying. So this makes you not a good scientist either! Let us see! Newton, Galileo, Brahe, Copernicus, Hubble, just to name a few, that could get just a little on the emotional side to what they supported and believed so surely by your statement they also were not good scientists either.
In addition if your going to be the grammar and spelling police you may just want to check yourself before passing judgment on others postings I believe that should be "If I were them".
In addition you posted :That's why you won the permanent right to a personalized silly looking pointy to cap to wear at the physorg." I believe that should have been "pointy cap to wear".
So you get to wear the pointy cap to with anal retentive on it.

Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (16) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
Your post show your level of ability to hold any intelligent discourse on a issue and can only stoop to the shallow base of name calling.


Well okay, apology accepted.

Let you know I never ask to be part of the IAU or would I want too.


You were the one boo-hooing about not being invited to eat at the dinner table after asking if you could come to dinner.

I never posted that Americans should get more votes.


No, you said the Americans got ganged up on and out voted and it was not fair.

Yep this shows your poor attempt to side step the issue. In addition to try to promote, back handed, a lie to what was posted.


Don't be telling the lies like you did and I won't back-hand you anymore Cher.

At least if you are going to attempt a lie be forthright about!


That doesn't make any sense. You want a do over with that one?

I'll P.S. to you for the rest Skippy.

Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (10) Feb 20, 2015
Hi, all Just back from Miami...
There were a few dwarves at the show we did there . Still people, just smaller...
Pluto is still a planet. Just dwarf planet.

Ira - makin' new friends, I see...:-)
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (17) Feb 20, 2015
P.S. for you Moon-Skippy

The IAU is allowed to set standard and criteria for "everyone on the Planet" in the field of Astronomy.


As far as I know there aren't any rules or laws that says you have to go with their opinions. Start your own club and make up your own definitions. If yours are better then everybody will change over to yours and then the IAU can be ones littering up the physorg whining.

Saying it is a private club is like a whites only club that gets to set standards for all others. Yep your post help supports my claim to the arrogant elitism of some in the IAU. Thanks!


It is not a whites only club Skippy. It's a astro-scientist-Skippy only club. They probably limit the memberships to peoples who went to the astro-science schools. Otherwise it would have a bunch of silly peoples like you making them the misere all the time.

Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (16) Feb 20, 2015
Another P.S. for you Moon-Skippy

"It means that for 75% of the member-Skippys it was not very important and they just didn't care about it one way or the other."

Nope you have zero proof to support such statement.


Except the vote being open to all the IAU members who wanted to vote. The ones who didn't vote did seem to think it was important enough to go to the polls. P'tit boug, you are a really stupid couyon.

Go stand with your nose in corner for lying.


That was not the lie, you are a really stupid couyon.

Have you had enough of me yet? Non? Laissez les bons temps rouler Skippy (That's coonass for: "Skippy, you don't have a chance, I live for this.")

Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (13) Feb 20, 2015
Hi, all Just back from Miami...
There were a few dwarves at the show we did there . Still people, just smaller...
Pluto is still a planet. Just dwarf planet.

Ira - makin' new friends, I see...:-)


Just another couyon like the others, you know, that never changes around here. How you are Whydening-Skippy? Haven't seen you around for awhile. Hope everything is good with you podna.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (13) Feb 20, 2015
Let this statement also apply to you since plainly your emotions have gotten the better of you since you had to stoop to childish name calling and poor attempts at lying


You ain't heard nothing yet Cher.

So this makes you not a good scientist either!


You're new so you probably don't know it yet, I'm the only one on the whole physorg who never claims to be the scientist. I am the one who never pretends to be the scientist. I am the on here who never tells the real scientists how they should do the science stuffs.

In addition if your going to be the grammar and spelling police you may just want to check yourself before passing judgment on others postings I believe that should be "If I were them"


That must have been for somebody else. Ol Ira-Skippy can't help you keep your grammar in line. I am the silly and stupid police, and you just got a ticket.
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (8) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
Once again a poor attempt at dancing around and skirting the issues. Also the post you claim wasn't yours was in fact posted at least under your screen name. Plainly you cannot keep up with your own subterfuge. I have a life but I will return to spank you some more. Now put that nose back in the corner!
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (14) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
Once again a poor attempt at dancing around and skirting the issues.


Skippy, I am not dancing with or with out issues. But I am sure that saying that is some kind arguing tool that you think will make everything I said go away. Sorry, but after 3 or 2 minutes I can't make it go away. It's there forever Cher.

Also the post you claim wasn't yours was in fact posted at least under your screen name.


What the heck are you talking about? Do you have the mental condition too?

Plainly you cannot keep up with your own subterfuge.


So we got lies, and subterfuges, and conspiracies against America, and rigged voting, Maybe you need a silly looking pointy cap made from aluminum wrap?

I have a life but I will return to spank you some more. Now put that nose back in the corner!


Laissez les bons temps rouler Skippy (That's the way a coonass says: "You must not have heard about ol Ira-Skippy yet?")

ManintheMoon
1.9 / 5 (9) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
It is clear your post have been allowed to be edited and altered. Did you really think that no one would catch on? So Uncle Ira this more than shows once again that you can't take ownership to what you post especially when someone corners you. Speaks volumes! Yep, just another keyboard coward.
I was not the one to ask to be allowed a seat at the table I would not waste my time since I knew how passed requests had been handled by to the IAU.
"I am the silly and stupid police, and you just got a ticket" Yep, you need to write a few dozen to yourself.
To get to the point of the article how about a straight forward classification system based on measured size and composition. Seems that the IAU classification system is some what subjective. For example "(c) has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit". Nope not even close for the Earth there is still at least one large body still in it's orbit and at least one other small body in it's neighborhood.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (14) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
It is clear your post have been allowed to be edited and altered.


Skippy, you have the mental condition, the one that the Techno-Skippy said. Paranoia, I did not change anything I wrote. That is not allowed on the physorg. Sometimes the moderators take down whole postums but the writers can not do after 3 minutes So either you don't read to good, or you have that mental conditions.

Did you really think that no one would catch on?


You are one weird couyon I gar-ron-tee.Well Skippy just what is ti you think you saw that I wrote and took down?

So Uncle Ira this more than shows once again that you can't take ownership to what you post especially when someone corners you.


Ask anybody who has been around here more than a day or so.I always own what I say. I am usually really proud of what I say and will repeat it if you asked for me to.

Speaks volumes! Yep, just another keyboard coward


Non Cher, ask anybody I like this.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (13) Feb 20, 2015
I was not the one to ask to be allowed a seat at the table I would not waste my time since I knew how passed requests had been handled by to the IAU.


You know that do you Skippy? Well tell us how.

"I am the silly and stupid police, and you just got a ticket" Yep, you need to write a few dozen to yourself.


Hooyeei, you sure got me with that one Cher.Hooyeei, choot 'em before he gets away.

To get to the point of the article how about a straight forward classification system based on measured size and composition. Seems that the IAU classification system is some what subjective


Seems like that is their business, not mine, not yours either.

For example "(c) has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit".Nope not even close for the Earth there is still at least one large body still in it's orbit and at least one other small body in it's neighborhood


I am sure somebody at the IAU should know that. Why you not write them tell them?
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (14) Feb 20, 2015
@ Moon-Skippy. I just get the email on you. You are another one of those Pluto-lady-Skippette groupies, eh? You know you don't have the chance with her, right? There are about 400 or 300 other couyons stalking and sucking up to her also for your competition. (And she really ain't so much to look at either.) What was her name again? Laurie or Lorry something. I just call her the Pluto-lady-Skippette.
ManintheMoon
1.6 / 5 (7) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
What ever e-mail you got is wrong your not even close and know zero about me. Do not know who the Pluto lady is. Then again plainly from your several post about her she makes you get emotional and gets your panties in wad. Come on Uncle Ira it is ok to say that you have a closet crush on her. ;0)
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (14) Feb 20, 2015
@ Moon-Skippy. How you are again Cher? I am still good again, thanks for asking.

Uncle Ira
What ever e-mail you got is wrong your not even close and know zero about me. Do not know who the Pluto lady is. Then again plainly from your several post about her she makes you get emotional and gets your panties in wad. Come on Uncle Ira it is ok to say that you have a closet crush on her. ;0)


Why would I say that? She is the couyonette like you are too. And she is not exactly a looker, if you know what I mean. Not one you would want to look at more than once I mean.

Maybe you don't know her and maybe you do. I'll go with you do know her really good. Why? Well since you ask why I will tell you true. You have written word for word what she always writes when she is boo-hooing about how mean the IAU is and how poor Pluto got the bum deal by getting the planetary boot.
adave
not rated yet Feb 20, 2015
I would hate for future generations to look back on the IAU and find them lacking in scientific foresight. Scientific focus is destroyed by misplaced emotion. How does history look at Kelvin when he encountered Faraday?
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (8) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
Nope! Typical post by you making assertions you have no proof of and cannot support. In addition you are plainly left with nothing more than making false allegations, a clear sign of your weak and shaky position.
As to my last post the Earth has not cleared at least three documented meteoroid debris streams in Earth's orbit and which have been laid down by an unknown comet and asteroids. So plainly the Earth has not met criteria C. So what are we left with "Round" and "orbits the Sun" which both Earth and Pluto meet criteria A and B to meet a definition of a planet. This example shows how poorly the IAU Classification system is and how poor in construct from those claiming such professional expertise.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (15) Feb 20, 2015
Typical post by you making assertions you have no proof of and cannot support. In addition you are plainly left with nothing more than making false allegations,.


I don't make any accusations or assertions. You are the one who brought up conspiracies against Americans, shady dealings of the IAU, ballot stuffing and unfair votes. I didn't mention any of that stuffs.

As to my last post the Earth has not cleared at least three documented meteoroid debris streams in Earth's orbit and which have been laid down by an unknown comet and asteroids.


Uh huh. Well I am not the scientist like you are not either. Which goes to show you that when you say stuff like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

This example shows how poorly the IAU Classification system is and how poor in construct from those claiming such professional expertise.


,,,, you look kind of silly. But don't feel lonely. There a lot Skippys on the physorg that want to tell the real scientists how to do things.

Whydening Gyre
4.2 / 5 (10) Feb 20, 2015
Hi, all Just back from Miami...
There were a few dwarves at the show we did there . Still people, just smaller...
Pluto is still a planet. Just dwarf planet.

Ira - makin' new friends, I see...:-)


Just another couyon like the others, you know, that never changes around here. How you are Whydening-Skippy? Haven't seen you around for awhile. Hope everything is good with you podna.

All is good... Was just out of town at an Art show in Miami...
Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (13) Feb 20, 2015
Hi, all Just back from Miami...
There were a few dwarves at the show we did there . Still people, just smaller...
Pluto is still a planet. Just dwarf planet.

Ira - makin' new friends, I see...:-)


Just another couyon like the others, you know, that never changes around here. How you are Whydening-Skippy? Haven't seen you around for awhile. Hope everything is good with you podna.

All is good... Was just out of town at an Art show in Miami...


Well if you were selling I hope everything costs a lot. If you were buying I hope everything was going really cheap.
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (8) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
"I don't make any accusations or assertions."
Yes you did here it is.
" I just get the email on you. You are another one of those Pluto-lady-Skippette groupies, eh?"
Uncle Ira only 4% voted that show a well functioning organization. Also an equal number of Professional astronomer from around the world sign a formal petition opposing the IAU decision which was ignored by the IAU.

As to my last post the Earth has not cleared at least three documented meteoroid debris streams in Earth's orbit and which have been laid down by an unknown comet and asteroids.

Uh huh. Well I am not the scientist like you are not either. Which goes to show you that when you say stuff like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
This example shows how poorly the IAU Classification system is and how poor in construct from those claiming such professional expertise."
Shows how informative your e-mail was about me. I have taught astronomy and solar astronomy. Will continue next post.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (14) Feb 20, 2015
I did get the email. It said I was being laurelized. That is not allegation or accusation, it's just the email I got.

Will continue next post.


Well I hope it's better than this one. You keep saying the same thing over and over.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. The Pluto-lady-Skippy does that too. Saying the same thing over and over I mean. Are you sure you weren't laurelized your own self?
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (12) Feb 20, 2015
I have taught astronomy and solar astronomy.


Skippy, I know you are new here, so I'll give you some friendly advice. Saying stuffs like never works around here. Ask Bennie-Skippy if you don't believe me. Or the glam-Skippy, he tried too and doesn't realize the proofs he put up made him look even more silly. Somebody is going to ask you something to prove it, and you won't be able to give the good answer, and they they are going to make the fun with you for being silly.

Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (12) Feb 20, 2015
@ Moon-Skippy. I waited around for 12 minutes for your P.S. to me. You need to write quicker if you want to keep my attentions.

I don't have all night to play around with you. I've got work to do around the engine room and want to get on my new radio that Mrs-Ira-Skippette (it said it was from Santa, but I think she got it for me) gave me for Christmas.
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (8) Feb 20, 2015
In addition have done field reports and scientific observations. So plainly I am a bumpkin to the field of astronomy. To the bodies and meteoroid streams cited the IAU was fully aware of these facts and these facts were more than pointed out.
Common basic knowledge to any one who has studied solar system astronomy. The two Moons of Earth. Since you are so knowledgeable on the subject then you know this fact. The Northern/Southern Apex and the Antihelion meteoroid streams which produce meteor active year round on Earth.
I always like the joke that many in the astronomy community made about the IAU on it's Pluto decision calling the IAU "The irrelevant Astronomical Union".
So about all you can muster on the issue is subterfuge.
subterfuge deception by artifice or strategem in order to conceal, escape, or evade.
ManintheMoon
1.6 / 5 (7) Feb 20, 2015
Uncle Ira
Hey your the one that posted what a tough guy you are and can rock on with no sweat. I post at my own speed plus for me this is just play and entertainment. In addition I am doing other things at the same time I am pulling your chain, so no sweat for me.
Let me guess a rag chewing ham! ;0 )
ManintheMoon
1.5 / 5 (8) Feb 20, 2015
"Skippy, I know you are new here, so I'll give you some friendly advice. Saying stuffs like never works around here. Ask Bennie-Skippy if you don't believe me. Or the glam-Skippy, he tried too and doesn't realize the proofs he put up made him look even more silly. Somebody is going to ask you something to prove it, and you won't be able to give the good answer, and they they are going to make the fun with you for being silly."
Yep, please do let them step up to the plate. Seems all you can get your circle buddies to do is give you stars to massage your little ego.
I am still out here out but seems you had to take a powered and go hide. Yep, if you want to come back out an play let me know. I'm going satellite tracking for while but have the computer set to give notice if you post.

ManintheMoon
1.8 / 5 (10) Feb 21, 2015
Uncle Ira
After all your bellowing, snorting, chest beating, tough guy I can hang posturing, smoke blowing, I'm the cock of the walk, in the end you had to go get back up on the porch with the other puppies. Ended up being no more than a typical internet bully! I kept checking back until 6 UT to see if you came back but you had to slink back under your rock. The owner if this website must be proud in that an open civil discourse can't be had with parties of opposing views with out the resident troll coming out from under his rock and attacking for nothing more than for the sake of starting an argument and demean others of opposing views .
PhotonX
4.8 / 5 (4) Feb 21, 2015
Shakescene21: "There aren't enough significant Roman gods to name 50 more planets." One thing humankind is good at is inventing gods. We'll just use another bunch--aren't the Norse gods available?
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ManintheMoon: "It was not about the science but the distaste that an object had been given planet status which had been discovered by an American." I'm an American, and I've never seen it that way. "IAU allowed less than 500 members of it's nearly 10,000 membership body to decide the Pluto issue." No, not "allowed"--that's just how many people stuck around to vote at the end of the session, versus catching an early flight home. It wasn't some underhanded deal. Mike Brown (who is indeed American) explained this in his book--did you bother to read it before your tiresome newbie crusade here? I wish Ira would just give up it, but you could kindly STFU yourself now.
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Maybe we should just grandfather Pluto in as an honorary planet for historic reasons and be done with it.
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ManintheMoon
1.8 / 5 (5) Feb 21, 2015
PhotonX
Back at you with all the love ,hugs and kisses. Change the channel if you do not like the programing. It's an open public site and from the message sent to me I was welcome.
So some body wrote a book defending a bad decision big deal.
Yep, many left the conference early believing that the IAU committee recommendation on planets definition would be the only definition voted on but at the last a small group hijacked the process. 4% of the IAU body voted on the issue the vast majority weren't even planetary scientists.
Yep, I was also at the time was receiving e-mail out of people at the conference so I know just a little on what took place. Yep, also know about the sanitized narrative by some in the IAU to the decision that was made.As to Ira after all his blustering he had to go get up on the porch with the other puppies. Close the site so only CJ crowed can post that will fix the problem!
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (10) Feb 21, 2015
In addition have done field reports and scientific observations. So plainly I am a bumpkin to the field of astronomy


Field reports and scientific observations, eh? Well that sounds scientifical.

Common basic knowledge to any one who has studied solar system astronomy.


So far you seem to have missed a class or three.

The two Moons of Earth.


Uh huh.

Since you are so knowledgeable on the subject then you know this fact.


Couyons is my subject. So yeah, I got your number.

The Northern/Southern Apex and the Antihelion meteoroid streams which produce meteor active year round on Earth.


Well golly gee, the space is full stuffs, you should tell the IAU-Skippys.

So about all you can muster on the issue is subterfuge.
subterfuge deception by artifice or strategem in order to conceal, escape, or evade.


Subterfuge? Skippy you sure are the weird one, must be all that science training you had.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
Yep, please do let them step up to the plate. Seems all you can get your circle buddies to do is give you stars to massage your little ego.


What the heck does that mean? Is it something to do with the two moons?

I am still out here out but seems you had to take a powered and go hide.


What does that mean? I never hide, ask anybody, most people complain because I don't hide.

Yep, if you want to come back out an play let me know.


Okay, but you have to put more wit and effort into it.

I'm going satellite tracking for while but have the computer set to give notice if you post.


Tracking the satellites? Wow, how does that work? You sit and watch them go across your computer screen over and over and over and over? I guess somebody has to do it to make sure the computers are getting it right.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
After all your bellowing, snorting, chest beating, tough guy I can hang posturing, smoke blowing, I'm the cock of the walk, in the end you had to go get back up on the porch with the other puppies.


Well golly gee, how can I compete with that? What you going to kill me with the weird talk?

Ended up being no more than a typical internet bully! I kept checking back until 6 UT to see if you came back but you had to slink back under your rock.


Are you getting ready to add the "victim" foolishment to your act like you couyons usually do?

The owner if this website must be proud in that an open civil discourse can't be had with parties of opposing views with out the resident troll coming out from under his rock and attacking for nothing more than for the sake of starting an argument and demean others of opposing views .


Right on schedule. You guys are so predictable and a dime for the dozen.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
Yep, I was also at the time was receiving e-mail out of people at the conference so I know just a little on what took place. Yep, also know about the sanitized narrative by some in the IAU to the decision that was made.As to Ira after all his blustering he had to go get up on the porch with the other puppies. Close the site so only CJ crowed can post that will fix the problem!


Skippy that is the same lie we have heard dozens and dozens of times every time there is the article about Pluto. That's why everybody is giving you the hard time. All your ideas and claims have been made over and over and over in almost your exact words. It's like you are reading from a script.

You think your recycled lies and whines and conspiracies and pretend science is new to us? It's a science site Skippy, we heard it all before, peoples using EXACTLY the same words you rehearsed and used.
ManintheMoon
2.6 / 5 (5) Feb 21, 2015
Uncle Ira
Your the one who punk out after all the I can hang non sense. Yep, your a bumble! The problem you have with me is I will not be bully and will not run away! As to my satellite observing I do just a little more than you do since you sit behind your computer and play with yourself. How about I believe we should take this off site. I believe you can find my e-mail address since you know so much about me and your CJ buddies will not have to whine. Come play!
ManintheMoon
2.6 / 5 (5) Feb 21, 2015
Bumble Ira
Yep, you and your CJ buddies talked a lot of non-sense but you or any others where unable to make a argument against my proposed classification system or my critique of the IAU definition for a planet. The best you could muster was calling names, blowing bad breath and being a bumble. Once again come play off site!
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (11) Feb 21, 2015
Yep, your a bumble! The problem you have with me is I will not be bully and will not run away!


I don't have a problem with you, you are the no problem couyon.

As to my satellite observing I do just a little more than you do since you sit behind your computer and play with yourself. How about I believe we should take this off site. I believe you can find my e-mail address since you know so much about me and your CJ buddies will not have to whine.


Skippy, you have the mental condition. Either get more witty and original or try to get somebody else interested. All you done so far is call me the names of the things you are getting ready to do.

Why will I want to email you? How am I to even know what your email place is?

Oh yeah, I almost forget. While you observing the satellites do they do anything interesting? Like do any double back-flip-overs and loopy-looping?

Oh yeah again. What is the CJ buddies?
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
Yep, you and your CJ buddies talked a lot of non-sense but you or any others where unable to make a argument against my proposed classification system or my critique of the IAU definition for a planet. The best you could muster was calling names, blowing bad breath and being a bumble. Once again come play off site!


What is your proposed classification systems? If you write him down, I will make the argument just like I did for the article writing-Skippy.

Your critique of the IAU has been posted here (and every where else too) over and over and over in almost the same words for 9 or 8 years now.

Go look up the Pluto-lady-Skippette's blog and since you don't know her prepare your self to be embarrassed because you didn't change your arguments enough to not look like the snip and glue from her blog place.
ManintheMoon
2.3 / 5 (6) Feb 21, 2015
Ira
No very bright are you. Think about! "CJ buddies"
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (10) Feb 21, 2015
Ira
No very bright are you. Think about! "CJ buddies"


So you don't know either? Well when you find out what the CJ buddies are let me know. Choot, the Google-Skippy don't even know what the CJ buddies is.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (10) Feb 21, 2015
@ Moon-Skippy

I got to get some work done for a while or my Skipper-Skippy is going to get mad with me,,,, so I am going to run away, hide, crawl back up on the porch, cower with the puppies and hide my head is shame for few hours. So you win by default and forfeit.
ManintheMoon
1.8 / 5 (5) Feb 21, 2015
Ira
Once more time around since your are so dim witted. I do not know this person or have I ever heard of Pluto Lady. Seems you have a hard on for her though. If you have found posting by me on Pluto they have to circa 2006. Once again your not very bright!
ManintheMoon
2.3 / 5 (6) Feb 21, 2015
Ira
No I win because you couldn't bully me and I wouldn't run away. Also for all your bluster you have shown not to be able to hang as you claimed. So go take you medication and get back on the porch with the puppies.
Whydening Gyre
4.3 / 5 (6) Feb 21, 2015
Well if you were selling I hope everything costs a lot. If you were buying I hope everything was going really cheap.

I'm an artist tryin to sell...
My stuff doesn't cost a lot and it still wasn't selling...:-)
Maybe better luck in Dallas and Houston, next month....
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
Ira
No very bright are you. Think about! "CJ buddies"
If we are CJs (computer junkies), than you are a PJ fish. Ol' Ira knows how to get those kind of fishes really tired and real them in slowly. Then he unhook and throws them back for the next time as any sporty fisherman does.
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (4) Feb 21, 2015
One of Era CJ crowed came out and did a reach around on him. No I had Era on the hook and landed him a couple a dozen time. He is now what I call a grooved lipped porgy fish. He has been hooked so many times he has permanent groove in his lip. TechnoCreed would you like a grooved lip too? Are maybe you just groove on Era with those lips to fan his little ego.
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
One of Era CJ crowed came out and did a reach around on him.
Ha! No, I was just enjoying Ira's classy style. But since you've tried to poke at others, I had to let you know how badly bruised you look. As for Ira, do not worry he will not let you off the hook until some bigger fish comes around. You are just a dwarf fish here; as dwarf as Pluto.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (11) Feb 21, 2015
One of Era CJ crowed came out and did a reach around on him. No I had Era on the hook and landed him a couple a dozen time.


Well Skippy, I have given plenty of opportunities to get witty and entertaining. Repeating over and over that you won is boring so this fish got away from you. Now I don't get to see your devastating withering crushing woe and awe causing stuffs anymore.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. The reason we know you are the liar, is you claim to be so independent and knowledgeable about the Pluto getting the planetary boot, yet you claim not to know about the laurie Pluto-lady-Skippy. Nobody on the planet who has heard of Pluto has not heard of her.

She is the ugly fat red&purple haired weirdo but always tries to put up the 25 year ago pictures to get her groupies like you all hot and interested. Everything you wrote here about Pluto & IAU you stole from her blog, even the part about you getting emails from insiders at the Pluto gets the planetary boot.
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (12) Feb 21, 2015
@ Everybody.

This is who the Moon-Skippy steals all his material from,,,,,

https://www.youtu...IKNZhBxI
https://www.youtu...Eq6QF7mE
https://www.youtu...LLnXzkx0

You can also check out her Pluto got the Planetary Boot Boo-Hoo Blog too. That's where you find all the stuffs that Moon-Skippy stole to write here. It's called the Laurel Kornfeld Pluto Blog or something like that,, Google-Skippy has him. She's even got the part about getting the insider emails from IAU club members getting treated unfair while the meeting was going on.
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (4) Feb 21, 2015
Hey era (aka grooved lipped porgy fish )
Since you got such a hard on for this person maybe post a link to the website or blog so I can at least have some context to what your talking about . I will go look, check it out and let her know you haven't forgot her also let here know you send your love, kisses and hugs.
Now what professional group could one have sat in on and received mail from this conference in 2006? I Know of at least two!

ManintheMoon
2.3 / 5 (6) Feb 21, 2015
Hey Groove none of your links work.
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (4) Feb 21, 2015
Nope groove no one listed under the name of Pluto Lady on the U Tube.
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (4) Feb 21, 2015
Hey Uncle Groove
After doing just a little research on the Laurel Kornfeld what total morons and idiots you guys in calling her a liar and she no nothing about astronomy much less what goes on at the IAU.
She hold an on-line degree in a astronomy. You freaken morons she has written for the IAU General Assembly newspaper. Here's the damn proof. I guess in your haste to throw rocks at the lady Era you missed this fact.
http://www.iau.or...0803.pdf
Go to page 45 and who do we find as an author? Damn doesn't suck when you've been shown to be blow hard moron with no chops of your own beyond being internet troll. She also as been featured at Astronomy magazine, just the largest selling astronomy magazine in the world.
What next Groove lipped Era she doesn't have a PHD? As an friend with a PHA in astronomy once said to me "Pile it Higher and Deeper"!
ManintheMoon
2 / 5 (4) Feb 21, 2015
What wrong Uncle Groove?
No taste for cold crow? Remember you are the one who forced the issue..
Hey phys.org watch me pull a rabbit out of my pointy cap!
Oh no Uncle Groove!
Nothing up my sleeve!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Planet Pluto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to get me a new pointy cap!
Uncle Grooooove!!!!!!!!
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (13) Feb 21, 2015
What wrong Uncle Groove?
No taste for cold crow? !


Crow? Sure why not, I'll try anything once.

I guess in your haste to throw rocks at the lady Era you missed this fact.
http://www.iau.or...0803.pdf
Go to page 45 and who do we find as an author?


I don't know who we find. Not Laurel the Pluto-lady-Skippette.

She also as been featured at Astronomy magazine, just the largest selling astronomy magazine in the world.


That's why I didn't believe you when you said you didn't know who I was talking about. You can not be a Pluto crankpot without knowing her.

What next Groove lipped Era she doesn't have a PHD?


As a matter of the fact, non she doesn't.

As an friend with a PHA in astronomy once said to me "Pile it Higher and Deeper"!


What is the PHA? Is that a certificate you get from the "University of Crankpots & Not Really Scientists"? I told you that you guys always slip up, and you were extra quick about it too.

Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
What wrong Uncle Groove?
No taste for cold crow? Remember you are the one who forced the issue..
Hey phys.org watch me pull a rabbit out of my pointy cap!
Oh no Uncle Groove!
Nothing up my sleeve!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Planet Pluto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to get me a new pointy cap!
Uncle Grooooove!!!!!!!!

"I ain't drunk - I'm just drinkin'..!"
A little early in the day for that, isn't it?
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (12) Feb 21, 2015
What wrong Uncle Groove?
No taste for cold crow? Remember you are the one who forced the issue..
Hey phys.org watch me pull a rabbit out of my pointy cap!
Oh no Uncle Groove!
Nothing up my sleeve!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Planet Pluto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to get me a new pointy cap!
Uncle Grooooove!!!!!!!!

"I ain't drunk - I'm just drinkin'..!"
A little early in the day for that, isn't it?


That couyon been up over 24 hrs on drugs. That's why he thinks his extra stupid stuffs is somehow really smart. You would think that somebody who thinks they are winning would double check what he writes before pushing the "Postum" button and letting 3 or 2 minutes get by so the foolishment becomes permanent.
TechnoCreed
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
What wrong Uncle Groove?
No taste for cold crow? Remember you are the one who forced the issue..
Hey phys.org watch me pull a rabbit out of my pointy cap!
Oh no Uncle Groove!
Nothing up my sleeve!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Planet Pluto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to get me a new pointy cap!
Uncle Grooooove!!!!!!!!

"I ain't drunk - I'm just drinkin'..!"
A little early in the day for that, isn't it?

Eeek! I am pretty sure it sounds as out of tune as LK videos.
Shakescene21
not rated yet Feb 21, 2015
@PhotonX
Shakescene21: "There aren't enough significant Roman gods to name 50 more planets." One thing humankind is good at is inventing gods. We'll just use another bunch--aren't the Norse gods available?".
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I was just kidding. This is obviously not about hard science.
Shakescene21
4.7 / 5 (3) Feb 21, 2015
@PhotonX
Maybe we should just grandfather Pluto in as an honorary planet for historic reasons and be done with it.
.

That's a reasonable compromise, but I don't think that would be accepted. Instead, I support the recommendation to use the term "Plutoids" to describe planet-like objects in the outer reaches of the Solar System. There are probably dozens of plutoids out there, and they will probably become more important to us than we realize today.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.6 / 5 (7) Feb 21, 2015
Hi, all Just back from Miami...
There were a few dwarves at the show we did there . Still people, just smaller...
Pluto is still a planet. Just dwarf planet.

Ira - makin' new friends, I see...:-)
And so... just how do you define dwarf people and how do you differentiate between them and otherwise normal people who are uncommonly short? Do the fields overlap?
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (4) Feb 21, 2015
Hi, all Just back from Miami...
There were a few dwarves at the show we did there . Still people, just smaller...
Pluto is still a planet. Just dwarf planet.

Ira - makin' new friends, I see...:-)
And so... just how do you define dwarf people and how do you differentiate between them and otherwise normal people who are uncommonly short? Do the fields overlap?
It does not matter Dix, their size does not make them any less important. Just the small minds think otherwise; I think that it was the point that WG was trying to make.
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (8) Feb 21, 2015
I support the recommendation to use the term "Plutoids" to describe planet-like objects in the outer reaches of the Solar System. There are probably dozens of plutoids out there, and they will probably become more important to us than we realize today.
Slanted perspective opening crawl ;-)
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (6) Feb 21, 2015
I support the recommendation to use the term "Plutoids" to describe planet-like objects in the outer reaches of the Solar System. There are probably dozens of plutoids out there, and they will probably become more important to us than we realize today.
Slanted perspective opening crawl ;-)
Sorry! I forgot to start the sound track :-D https://www.youtu...SJDLM8ZE
xstos
5 / 5 (2) Feb 21, 2015
Give them a prefix. giga,mega,kilo, milli, micro, nano - planet based on the order of magnitude of their mass and/or radius or whatever.
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (6) Feb 21, 2015
Give them a prefix. giga,mega,kilo, milli, micro, nano - planet based on the order of magnitude of their mass and/or radius or whatever.

Exactly my thought! Any planetoids that do not meet the yotta scale are dwarves, unless they are visible to the naked eyes. A clean way to include Mars and Mercury who have been deified by the gods themselves anyway.
Benni
3 / 5 (10) Feb 21, 2015
What wrong Uncle Groove?
No taste for cold crow? Remember you are the one who forced the issue..
Hey phys.org watch me pull a rabbit out of my pointy cap!
Oh no Uncle Groove!
Nothing up my sleeve!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Planet Pluto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to get me a new pointy cap!
Uncle Grooooove!!!!!!!!


Hey, if you want to really get Ira going, ask him if he can do Differential Equations.
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (5) Feb 21, 2015
Uncle Groove
I did not know her name until you posted it.
So I made a typo like you haven't?
No I do not drink or do drugs or have I change my life style on your account.
Once again a poor attempt at a lie.
You are not a bit narcissistic are you? Maybe it's time for your meds again.
I still have not found this person's blog or website. I have only found repost of articles by her.
Once again it would be nice to give a link and one that works since you find this person so important to you.
"I don't know who we find. Not Laurel the Pluto-lady-Skippette"
You are so dense that an actual fact alludes you.
Petty much you have shown yourself as a POS. Since others and you here like using acronyms there's one for you
You can keep up your none sense all day and night I will not go away. I here to stay because it makes you crazy. Let the games begin!

Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (12) Feb 21, 2015
Hey, if you want to really get Ira going, ask him if he can do Differential Equations.


@ Hey Bennie-Skippy, where you at Cher? I'm good thanks. Sure I can do them, watch this podna,

Differential Equations, Differential Equations, Differential Equations.

See, I know how to do them just as good you don't either.

Benni
2.5 / 5 (11) Feb 21, 2015
What wrong Uncle Groove?
No taste for cold crow? Remember you are the one who forced the issue..
Hey phys.org watch me pull a rabbit out of my pointy cap!
Oh no Uncle Groove!
Nothing up my sleeve!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Planet Pluto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to get me a new pointy cap!
Uncle Grooooove!!!!!!!!


Hey, if you want to really get Ira going, ask him if he can do Differential Equations.

Yeah, see there, ManinMoon, look how fast Ira was to post that 1 Star vote on me so forget the other stuff, go after him on the math.
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (5) Feb 21, 2015
Uncle Groove
If your so sure Benni can't do Differential Equations post one.
Benni Uncle Groove is trapped in his own delusion world massage on by his CJ buddies out here.
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (14) Feb 21, 2015
No I do not drink or do drugs or have I change my life style on your account.


Then I must have been right with my first guess. You got the mental conditions.

Once again a poor attempt at a lie.


What lie Cher? You keep saying that, but can't seem to find them.

You are not a bit narcissistic are you?


Non Cher not me. I'm the ugliest man in Louisiana.

I still have not found this person's blog or website. I have only found repost of articles by her.


You must be channeling it through Zephir-Skippy's aether. You knew she was not the PhD. That she got her astronomy schooling on the interweb. For someone you don't know, you sure know a lot of things about her that I didn't tell. She didn't write the article on page 45 you put in your link like you said she did.

Dense, sure Cher, that's why I still want to know what the PHA in astronomy is like your friend has? You sure are not very good at this, so back to the "Don't Show Me This" you go.
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
y_2'=2y_1-2y_2+\sin(t)
What nomenclature (type) of DE?
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (13) Feb 21, 2015
Uncle Groove
If your so sure Benni can't do Differential Equations post one.
Benni Uncle Groove is trapped in his own delusion world massage on by his CJ buddies out here.


I am sure he can't because "Differential Equations" is as far as he has ever gotten. See Cher, this is what it is. I don't claim to be the scientist or the great mathematician You are new around here so you wouldn't know that. But that is what makes me different from the regular couyons who want to pretend to be scientists and engineers on the physorg interweb page.

So maybe you could help me by showing how those Differential Equations work? EVERYBODY here has been asking Bennie-Skippy to show them one for years and he hasn't been able to learn enough about them in all that time to show us. He's gotten stuck at "Differential Equations", choot, I got that far, that is not so very impressive.

But I also don't have the PHA in astronomy, so I don't care if you show me one of them or not.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (11) Feb 21, 2015
y_2'=2y_1-2y_2+\sin(t)
What nomenclature (type) of DE?


Ain't there supposed to be some deltas in there somewhere? Or is it sigmas?

How about it Bennie-Skippy? Is the Whydening-Skippy on the right track?
ManintheMoon
1.7 / 5 (6) Feb 21, 2015
Uncle Groove
I found a Bio with one of her repost articles. Not a big leap to do a search on what was posted. As for the IAU I simply did a search with her name IAU General assembly newspaper. Try it I'm sure it will work for you. I knew you were ugly but your a blemish on the great State of Louisiana. I have lived in Louisiana and still have family there so your Coonass shtick doesn't impress me. Your not one of those that went to the family reunion looking for a date and ended up marrying your sister are you? Once a again the PHA was a typo like you haven't made one. Try again!
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (5) Feb 21, 2015
Uncle Groove
Since you claim such intellectual prowess Differential Equations should be child's play for you. Are you so sure haven't been around here?
Benni
2.8 / 5 (9) Feb 21, 2015
Uncle Groove
Since you claim such intellectual prowess Differential Equations should be child's play for you. Are you so sure haven't been around here?


Something you should know, Ira is an ROC, Retired Old Codger. A lot of them around here. Have you noticed all those Star votes that are a mirror of his? Same thing, all ROCs who live on this site because they have nothing else to do. They're also an extraordinary cranky bunch, due mostly to the fact they've been through a bad divorce. There isn't a single Differential Equation in Einstein's GR they could solve, but they've got Ira Special Class Education which in their opinions supercedes the need for anything else.
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (11) Feb 21, 2015
y_2'=2y_1-2y_2+\sin(t)
What nomenclature (type) of DE?

Nobody has answered my question...
Whydening Gyre
4.7 / 5 (12) Feb 21, 2015
Something you should know, Ira is an ROC, Retired Old Codger. A lot of them around here. Have you noticed all those Star votes that are a mirror of his? Same thing, all ROCs who live on this site because they have nothing else to do.

YOu seem to also spend an inordinate amount of time here...
They're also an extraordinary cranky bunch, due mostly to the fact they've been through a bad divorce.

Mine was fairly easy...
There isn't a single Differential Equation in Einstein's GR they could solve, but they've got Ira Special Class Education which in their opinions supercedes the need for anything else.

And you still haven't answered my earlier question about an ODE...
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (11) Feb 21, 2015
y_2'=2y_1-2y_2+\sin(t)
What nomenclature (type) of DE?

Nobody has answered my question...

Hum! It pretty much looks like a cut and paste turned bad, but nonetheless, I can answer your question. Sadly though, the person who is addressed to, the affable and humble Benni, is silent. I wonder why this young man does no show his mighty wits. Might it be that he is stumped?
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 22, 2015
y_2'=2y_1-2y_2+\sin(t)
What nomenclature (type) of DE?

Nobody has answered my question...

Hum! It pretty much looks like a cut and paste turned bad, but nonetheless, I can answer your question. Sadly though, the person who is addressed to, the affable and humble Benni, is silent. I wonder why this young man does no show his mighty wits. Might it be that he is stumped?

Ok. Ya busted me...:-)
But - ya saw where I was going with it...:-)
mooster75
4.5 / 5 (8) Feb 22, 2015
That. was. brutal.
ManintheMoon, I'd just pick another user name and start over...
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (4) Feb 22, 2015
mooster75
No more brutal than unwarranted attack by Uncle Groove. What just because Uncle Groove has been posting here longer than others gives him the right to call others names, make up lies, make false accusations against others and others have to take the bullying, abuse just because a few others here think it's OK and it's cool. Then even after Uncle Groove had been shown to have his facts wrong the abuse and bulling continues with support from a few others here. No that's not right! I have no problem with others taking an opposing view but civil dialogue can be kept. I'm an old retired Geeze do I get a special free pass too? I don't think so! No it was expected, since Uncle Groove decreed it, that I was suppose to run away and not stand my ground just because some here thinks only one sanitized narrative on the issue should be heard. Well it did not work.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2015
YOu seem to also spend an inordinate amount of time here...


MiM, above quote from WG is a perfect example of the discourse at this site. WG is the perfect example of a cadre of ROCs so bad at math they're unable to even follow the numbers on a calendar. I only have time to post here mostly on weekends, very occasionally a couple times during the week, if WG were as proficient in the simplest use of numbers as he'd like to have viewers believe he is, he would have avoided bumbling around with that kind of statement.

Again, look at the mirror voting patterns here, the mathematically challeged ROCs are all bunched up in one corner, probably all former Trekkies from the 60's & 70's who never passed a high school chemistry course. But one day a neighborhood housewife taught them how to Copy & Paste & voila, now they imagine they've become science geniuses without the necessity to comprehend the real tools of science, advanced math.
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2015
Yo Benni!
You are not over it. My comment was pointing out to the fact that it is impossible to properly format this equation here; the comment column does not handle its symbolic, so any attempt to do anything else than simple algebraic is pretty much moot. In WG equation, the derivation order mark and the indices are not properly positioned but since I can make it out, so should you. His question is still valid: how do you properly designate this equation? The answer can be formulated in a few simple words, so answer it.
ManintheMoon
1.7 / 5 (6) Feb 22, 2015
Benni
I did get e-mail out of the 2006 IAU conference in Prague from attending members.For Uncle Groove this can't be true since he was no privy to such communications directly himself. How ignorant and juvenile is that to support a argument?
Also if one had been following this IAU conference one would know what minority group basically hijacked the meeting at the last of it and did away with the IAU committee recommendations for definition of a Planet and put in their own with out any vetting of it before the members. Then once again this cannot be true since Uncle Groove was not there and did not see it happen.
Benni if you go back and look at my post I put forth classification by measured size and composition. Nope none of the Uncle Grove crowd could even mount an argument against it. Much less an argument against my criticism of the definition the IAU adopted. This best Uncle Groove could come up with is it's the IAU business for an organization that decides for all.
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (4) Feb 22, 2015
TechoCreed
It has been years since I last worked a Differential Equations and I'm some what foggy on the issue(old age) but the format does not seem right. Also what I see could very well could be call in away a trick question to what is being asked but I'm not sure! I'm not going to take a refresh course just prove non sense here but If I do have the time I may send it to a friend who is a mathematician and see what he thinks.
Benni
2.8 / 5 (9) Feb 22, 2015
Yo Benni!
You are not over it. My comment was pointing out to the fact that it is impossible to properly format this equation here; the comment column does not handle its symbolic, so any attempt to do anything else than simple algebraic is pretty much moot. In WG equation, the derivation order mark and the indices are not properly positioned but since I can make it out, so should you. His question is still valid: how do you properly designate this equation? The answer can be formulated in a few simple words, so answer it.


.....and "Yo" to you Techno: Look, I don't have the time to parse through somebody else's inability to properly format their math to make it intelligible, besides I don't even know what it is you & WG are even talking about, something about ODE whatever that is?
Benni
2.8 / 5 (9) Feb 22, 2015
Benni if you go back and look at my post I put forth classification by measured size and composition. Nope none of the Uncle Grove crowd could even mount an argument against it. Much less an argument against my criticism of the definition the IAU adopted. This best Uncle Groove could come up with is it's the IAU business for an organization that decides for all.


I have looked back on your posts & I see many of your points. As for me, I'm not an astro-physicist but rather an Electrical/Nuclear Engineer who is an amateur astronomer & a member of an astronomy club.

You seem to be one far more into the Astro-physics than I am. But now you see firsthand what goes on when psychobabble enters the scientific discourse, yeah, you get Ira.

For this weekend I am at the limit of time I have to support your efforts to bring "science" into the Commentary discourse on this site, so good luck, science always overides t's detractors Galileo proved it can happen.

Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (13) Feb 22, 2015
something about ODE whatever that is?


@ Bennie-Skippy. You don't want to let peoples see ol Ira-Skippy helping you out on this stuffs. They might make fun with you.

ODE is the Ordinary Differential Equation.
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2015
@Moony
This is a desperate attempt to help the now defamed Benni who is supposed to be an expert at calculus. Primo, do not rephrase what I have properly stated and secundo, this is not a tricked question. As for your offer to have this checked out by a third party, go right ahead, this is very kind of you. But please do not bring it out of context; show him the discussion.
something about ODE whatever that is?

@Benni
Ho, you are up to a good start! But you did not tell about its order and its form; what about them?
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (4) Feb 22, 2015
Creepy
Key words foggy and not sure. Maybe read to comprehension instead of a need for a "I gotcha" would be in order by you!
Benni is a big boy I sure he can stand on his on and plainly he see the issue I do also you do too. No desperate attempt here but plainly a desperate attempt by you to put some one in a bad light which is just juvenile on you part.
No if I do ask my friend I will post just the equation as it was posted without biases from anyone much less me.
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2015
@Moony
Might I have to remind you that Benni was the one who proposed to obfuscate Ira (or Groove if you prefer, I am sure he does not mind) with differential equations that is an old trick that he use to nag him.
As for Benni and me, we always had polite discussions in the past and this will not change a thing. Get over it.
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (4) Feb 22, 2015
Creepy
If what you have posted about Benni is your definition of polite discussion then you have a severely warped understanding of the concept of being polite. Plus I never posted any thing about your off handed diminishing and disparaging comments against Benni . Yep others get your intent. I'm sure Benni has really felt the love and respect from the Creepy!
Creepy if a claim of obfuscation of Groove are going to be thrown out against Benni then claims of obfuscation, of others, should be leveled against Uncle Groove equally too. Then again you won't!
TechnoCreed
5 / 5 (11) Feb 22, 2015
@Moony
Ha! If you think it was not polite, prepare yourself to spit your dentures a few times a week (if you decide to hang around). I suspect that Phys.org's moderators have their working areas filled with nitrous oxide. Just one suggestion to you; put some of your ego in the bottom drawer before you sit in front of your computer screen, after all it is only entertainment.
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2015
@Benni
something about ODE whatever that is?


Ho, you are up to a good start! But you did not tell about its order and its form; what about them?
he's gonna need the week to look it up...
...after all it is only entertainment.

Most of the time, anyway...;-)
Benni
3 / 5 (10) Feb 22, 2015
Thought I would check back at least one more time today after finishing getting the trails groomed from the last snowfall & moving some dry firewood to the inside.

ODE: with so few people here who understand calculus, I simply thought somebody was making an anachronism. Then there is PDE, LPDE, NLPDE, a few more. Einstein used a lot of PDE in his GR.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2015
Thought I would check back at least one more time today after finishing getting the trails groomed from the last snowfall & moving some dry firewood to the inside.


Well ol Ira is impressed with that thing Skippy.

ODE: with so few people here who understand calculus, I simply thought somebody was making an anachronism. Then there is PDE, LPDE, NLPDE, a few more. Einstein used a lot of PDE in his GR.


@ Bennie-Skippy. You sure are having a bad day today Cher. Anachronism? All them things are acronyms, not anachronisms. You nuclear engineers that didn't go to the engineer school are supposed to know abut acronyms.
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (4) Feb 22, 2015
Creepy
Maybe you misused the word polite and do not understand the concept of the word.
Polite: having or showing good manners or respect for other people :marked by an appearance of consideration, tact, deference, or courtesy.
Maybe this will help you understand what being polite really means.
Are you so sure that I have never been to Phys.org?. Once again assumption based zero facts.
Your so good at giving advice how about you take your own advice and stow your ego too. in addition you did not give the same advice to Groove, PhotonX. I wonder why!
Nope the issue here is that a few others and you got pissed off that someone, who you think is new to the site, did not bow down to some with over blown egos and bluster and that held an opposing view. So bad behavior adds to the depth of the discourse here?. The owners and moderators must be proud to the base level that phys.org comment section has been allowed to degrade too.
Shootist
1 / 5 (3) Feb 22, 2015

4. Pluto is weird and not like the eight regular planets.



Mercury is as strange and doesn't belong in its orbit.
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 22, 2015

4. Pluto is weird and not like the eight regular planets.



Mercury is as strange and doesn't belong in its orbit.

For that matter, EARTH is strange and not like the other planets....
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (12) Feb 22, 2015
Mercury is as strange and doesn't belong in its orbit.


Well gee wiz Skippy. Maybe you should tell the astro-Skippys that Mercury is out of place so they can put him back where he should be. Why he doesn't belong there anyway? Where does he belong? (This ought to be a good one.)
vlaaing peerd
4.9 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2015
Since Pluto was the first to stir this debate, I vote for "Pluto-like bodies". I know this whole semantic debate is about classification and therefore valid, but it isn't a subject to debate on for years on end, so please give it a name and get on with it.
Maggnus
5 / 5 (5) Feb 23, 2015
Since Pluto was the first to stir this debate, I vote for "Pluto-like bodies". I know this whole semantic debate is about classification and therefore valid, but it isn't a subject to debate on for years on end, so please give it a name and get on with it.


Seems to me that on another, similar, article the word "plutoid" was tossed around. I think it would be better than "dwarf-planet" even though Ceres is in the asteroid belt.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2015
Since Pluto was the first to stir this debate, I vote for "Pluto-like bodies". I know this whole semantic debate is about classification and therefore valid, but it isn't a subject to debate on for years on end, so please give it a name and get on with it.


Seems to me that on another, similar, article the word "plutoid" was tossed around. I think it would be better than "dwarf-planet" even though Ceres is in the asteroid belt.

How bout Planetoid? (Planet-like)
Or Planet"ish"...:-)
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (10) Feb 23, 2015
Thought I would check back at least one more time today after finishing getting the trails groomed from the last snowfall & moving some dry firewood to the inside.

ODE: with so few people here who understand calculus, I simply thought somebody was making an anachronism. Then there is PDE, LPDE, NLPDE, a few more. Einstein used a lot of PDE in his GR.

Wow...
I would almost give Benni a 5, just cuz that answer was so f***ing funny!
But - no...:-)
For Benni, PDE is an "anachronism" for Pretty Dumb Explanation...
PhotonX
4.4 / 5 (7) Feb 24, 2015
OFF TOPIC:
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ManintheMoon: "I was also at the time was receiving e-mail out of people at the conference" Nice of them to accommodate a ten year old. I didn't say you weren't welcome, why are you being so defensive? Your diatribe here is of the "I'm going to hold my breath and turn blue if everyone doesn't agree with me!" type. And since you didn't recognize who wrote the book I referenced you don't know what you're talking about, no matter how many emails you were sent. In the end I actually pretty much agreed with you, and you're still acting like a prissy, name-calling third grader. Quit acting childishly and maybe you'll get some respect. I'll take your advice--onto the Ignore User list you go.
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Shakescene21: Oh, no worries, I didn't take it strongly one way or the other, and I hope you didn't take what I said as undue criticism (unlike what's his name up there.) Thanks for not resorting to name calling and acting like a total prick (like...well, you know).
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Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (7) Feb 25, 2015
Uncle ...the right to call others names
@manmoon
no, what Ira does VERY, very well is spot the trolls and liars, though

take this conversation thread with benni, for instance:
benni has gone on and on for more than a year about how he is a nuclear engineer and amateur astronomer, and how he is so smart and knows about Einstein and can understand the math in relativity, etc.
he likes to say he knows how to do differential equations too... and that everyone else is an idiot
Now, the best way to demonstrate is usually to link corroborating evidence or prove ones self
whereas beni has done nothing but rant
plus he gets seriously easy math very wrong, claiming the "earth wobbles" are timed to the galactic year http://phys.org/n...als.html
beni also says that anyone who links/paste's evidence is stupid
the evidence is against ben

i am definitely saving this thread as proof that beni lies about his maths skills, too
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (7) Feb 25, 2015
but plainly a desperate attempt by you to put some one in a bad light
@Manmoon
no, it is not
It's giving benni his just reward

you will see beni get all bent out of shape now that i am posting here
he will even post stuff out of context because he can't read

What you don't understand is that beni has been parading around here for a LONG time making fun of EVERYONE saying that we are all idiots or "roc"'s
IRA is not retired, I am (he can't even get that one straight)

and again, when someone from an astronomy club confuses Chandler wobbles with Milankovitch cycles etc, then claims that they are timed with the galactic year ... THAT is bad math! (see link above)
he call anyone who links studies and evidence supporting their position an idiot or stupid and not able to do math

NOW he is demonstrating that he is not only not capable of doing the math, but can't understand simple terminology (that is Google-able)

he's been called out and failed to prove himself
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Feb 25, 2015
... understand calculus... anachronism
@benniTROLL
Dunning-Kruger
is this anything like the earth wobbles?
the wobble cycle of Earth's rotational axis seems to correlate closely with the time required for our solar system to complete a full orbital passage around the galactic core of the Milky Way
http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
you did a lot of backpedaling in that thread too, especially after being called out

is this a glasses issue or just simple ignorance?

the math/reading fail above suggest ignorance
no wonder you can't find links to support you

P.S. It's ACRONYM
anachronism = The representation of someone as existing or something as happening in other than chronological, proper, or historical order [Wordnik]
that is also Google-able, nuke-boy

benji the pseudoscience poster
http://www.ploson...tion=PDF
ManintheMoon
1.7 / 5 (6) Feb 25, 2015
PhotonX
I did not start any attack on any one here. If you had told Uncle Groove to "STFU" to then you would not have been shown having a double standard. Then again you did not. Photon X I have no problems with opposing view, than I do not run away when attacked just because someone does not like my views. Yep, I can get as nasty as others if they want to play that game and it is a game.
Yep what I said about the conference was supported by others who were there that did not like what took place either. PhotonX it was underhanded by any measure for a group that wants to claim such moral and ethical high ground. Also my complaint about the IAU ,from inside and out. has been going on longer than you've been alive if you were only 10 years old in 2006. Nothing new on that one.
PhotonX there are some class A amateurs that do outstanding work in the field but the IAU excludes them too. Yep they are good enough to proved observations and data but can't sit at the IAU table.
Uncle Ira
4.7 / 5 (12) Feb 26, 2015
Seems there are more and more really messed up people - and we have to keep adding to the list of 'ignored. maninthemoon has no problem being a total jerk - pulling you down the rabbit hole - and then laughing and thinking it all funny. Here is his last post - before I ignored.


Yeah, I got him the "Don't Show Me This Couyon's Stuffs" list too. He is not very interesting him.

I love physorg - wish there was more robust moderation - but not a deal breaker - just have to ignore a lot. Cheers....


There are a lot of really smart Skippys here, and the not-smart Skippys are sometimes funny.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (11) Feb 26, 2015
There are a lot of smart skippys - including you uncle ira. I wish I had your patients - maybe that slow southern take on life keeps your blood pressure in check - mine gets too high.

Cheers - and keep posting.


Well thank you very much for the kind words to me.

I just don't take myself too serious and think it is funny when other people do take me too serious. They are double the fun if they take their selfs serious while they are taking me serious, that hardly ever ends good for them. I've even tried to explain that to a couple of them, but they can't seem to understand what I'm saying. The less mad I get, the more mad they get, and you don't got to be the Rocket-Doctor-Skippy to figure that out.
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (4) Feb 26, 2015
greenonions
Had to go cry to your Uncle Groove because of the mean old ManintheMoon. Seems Uncle Groove gave you the strokes you needed and patted your little head.So do you feel better now or does your booboo's still hurt?
Uncle Groove are you off your meds? So you have escaped the home again and your trying to terrorize the community?Geeze!
mooster75
4.5 / 5 (8) Feb 26, 2015
PhotonX
I did not start any attack on any one here. If you had told Uncle Groove to "STFU" to then you would not have been shown having a double standard.

Why would anyone tell Uncle Ira to STFU? You posted something incredibly stupid, and he took you to task for it. This is a science site; pointing out that something is unscientific is not an "unwarranted attack".
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (3) Feb 27, 2015
monster75
So your a suck buddy of Groove what's new? That always is the claim it unscientific but what was spewed by Groove and his crowed was opinion nothing more. Even when Groove was proven some of his facts were wrong it was over looked by the Groove supporters. It is not about science it is about wanting to argue for the sake of arguing with the Groove crowd. Nothing more than little egos and puffery.
mooster75
4.3 / 5 (6) Feb 28, 2015
Okay, I'll add "homophobic" to your previous description of 'ignorant moron and total tool".
ManintheMoon
1 / 5 (2) Feb 28, 2015
mooster75
It's cool if you have a thing for Groove. Your both grown adults.
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 01, 2015
Benni asked
Hey, if you want to really get Ira going, ask him if he can do Differential Equations.(DE)
Y this singular focus on DEs, they are everywhere in highschool & uni.

Since U are so focused on them, please suggest (at least) how to craft a DE which can determine CO2's thermal resistivity in Watts per sq m from CO2's concentration in ppm.

Just the general procedure, eg this link might help you:-
http://www.chem.a.../sim/gh/

Would you start with probability of absorbance directional vector or emission instead & how would you account for collisions during & after emission restarting the cycle ?

Or r your DE's ONLY in relation to astrophysical phenomena ?

Care to share one completed DE that you exclusively crafted ?

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