Tesla's Musk: fracking threatens electric cars

Elon Musk, co-founder and CEO of Tesla Motors, speaks at the 2015 Automotive News World Congress on January 13, 2015 in Detroit,
Elon Musk, co-founder and CEO of Tesla Motors, speaks at the 2015 Automotive News World Congress on January 13, 2015 in Detroit, Michigan

Tesla founder Elon Musk warned Tuesday that the fracking boom is a deep threat to the nascent electric car industry, because of its impact lowering gasoline prices.

Musk, who has blazed a trail for all-electric cars with his expensive but popular Teslas, said the oil and that fracking could potentially release could be 10 times the current available hydrocarbons worldwide.

That could spell low prices for generations.

"The potential harm to the climate is much greater than it was before," he said in Detroit.

Musk said it was now "more urgent" that mainstream automakers step up investment in electrics as low oil prices prove an incentive to buyers of conventional cars.

"I think we are really going to regret the amount of carbon we are putting in the oceans and atmosphere," he said.

"If we can maybe go electric sooner, that would be much better for the world."


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Jan 14, 2015
But if the nat gas boom lowers electricity costs then the electric car will get a higher mpge so it will still be competitive.

Jan 14, 2015
Elon Musk is railing against natural gas because it offers hydrogen fuel cell vehicles with an abundant source of fuel, which is what actually threatens his electric cars. Gasoline powered internal combustion engines are going out as obsolete anyhow because fuel cells are twice as efficient.

He knows full well that the renewable energy revolution too requires the production of hydrogen and synthetic methane to store large quantities of energy cheaply, so these fuels would be available and necessary anyhow.

It's the same race as 100 years ago: electric batteries versus chemical fuels, and the chemical fuels won for being cheaper and carrying more energy more conveniently. That's why Mr. Musk has nothing to bring to the fight, so he's trying to win through politics.


Jan 14, 2015
But if the nat gas boom lowers electricity costs then the electric car will get a higher mpge so it will still be competitive.


Electricity price doesn't affect the MPGe of a vehicle. That's a completely unrelated metric.

And it has diminishing effects on the cost of driving an electric car, because batteries still wear out and need to be replaced, imposing a cost per kWh even if the electricity was free; such costs simply don't apply to a tank of gas because the cost of the containment vessel is neglible and it doesn't become smaller in use.


Jan 14, 2015
Fascist Musk.
Demands the state protect his business.

Jan 15, 2015
Not that Musk is facist but this preoccupation with political ideology is completely insane. We are talking about the future of the planet.

Jan 15, 2015
Fascist Musk.
Demands the state protect his business.

The state has a responsibility to protect property rights. By releasing the waste of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere, property rights are being violated. The purchaser of a product is responsible for that product and the proper disposal of any waste.

Jan 15, 2015
Elon is not in this for the money: He has all he needs. He is worried about the sabotage of the industry by artificially-low prices for oil-based fuels.

And those of you with bets on Dirty Fuels will not see success over alternatives. Bring up all the little negatives you wish, they are already known and compensated for in advance of system development. You are crying last century's whine.

Jan 15, 2015
Not that Musk is facist but this preoccupation with political ideology is completely insane. We are talking about the future of the planet.


Socialist/fascist/communist polices have been proven to destroy the planet.

Why do so many here have so much faith in the use of force to 'save the planet'?

And why do so many here want to stick their head up their arse and ignore the failures of the state?

Jan 15, 2015
World English Dictionary
fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm)
— n
1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

2. any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc

Fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm)
— n
the political movement, doctrine, system, or regime of Benito Mussolini in Italy, which encouraged militarism and nationalism, organizing the country along hierarchical authoritarian lines

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Jan 16, 2015
And why do so many here want to stick their head up their arse and ignore the failures of the state?

The state has failed to protect people from the dumping of carbon dioxide waste onto the property of it's citizens. Levels of carbon dioxide continue to rise. The state has a responsibility to protect the property rights of its citizens.

Jan 16, 2015
Levels of carbon dioxide continue to rise

So?
Since the citizens are exhaling CO2 onto their own property, what kind of compensation can a citizen expect from polluters, like himself?

Jan 16, 2015
Levels of carbon dioxide continue to rise

So?
Since the citizens are exhaling CO2 onto their own property, what kind of compensation can a citizen expect from polluters, like himself?

Ownership of trees and crops negates any exhaled carbon dioxide. The carbon in my breath comes from the food I consume, and is renewed with every new crop I grow. I can be carbon neutral, whereas hydrocarbons don't renew and are not neutral. However, the carbon can be captured and stored underground, this would not pollute my property and violate my rights.

Jan 17, 2015
Just hang on, making enough so that the electric vehicle survives. In 100 years, the oil will be gone, along with all the stupid fuckers.

Jan 17, 2015
It's the same race as 100 years ago: electric batteries versus chemical fuels, and the chemical fuels won for being cheaper and carrying more energy more conveniently.
Then why don't you drive a nuclear-powered auto?

Jan 18, 2015
why store carbon underground when trees sequester carbon just fine. And the amazing thing is, the more carbon in the air, the faster plants will grow. You don't need a computer model to test this, just add co2 to a green house and plants grow faster. it's pretty much a fact.

Human's can adapt to anything, even sea level rises of 1 meter per 100 years. (OMG run for the hills!!!)

We owe everything we have to "dirty fuel", like it or not. Show some respect for the only substance capable of fueling mankind's meteoric technological rise.

The world of tomorrow wasn't powered by sunshine and cool breezes, it's been powered by OIL.

"watts up with that" separates the truth from propaganda. sorry but it does.

Jan 18, 2015
Then why don't you drive a nuclear-powered auto?


What does that have to do with anything?

None exist.

Jan 18, 2015
Elon is not in this for the money: He has all he needs.


Not for long if he keeps on spending it on unprofitable projects.

Furthermore, if Tesla can't make money selling cars, there's no future for electric cars on the market no matter who makes them. You can't force people to buy them, and by all rights you shouldn't even try to.

A Tesla car carries 85 kWh of usable energy in a packet that weighs 1000 lbs and costs tens of thousands of dollars.

The same amount of usable energy can be stored in 25 lbs of pressurized methane or liquefied propane gas, in a composite tank that costs hundreds of dollars. There's no question which option is more useful in cars.


Jan 18, 2015
Human's can adapt to anything, even sea level rises of 1 meter per 100 years. (OMG run for the hills!!!)


Humans are certainly in no danger of extinction even in the worst case scenario. The worry is that the economies and livelihoods of billions will be badly impacted. Climate wars could break out. Humans will survive, but with a significantly lower standard of living.

Jan 18, 2015
Tesla's Musk: fracking threatens electric cars


the great crony capitalist Musk, out rent seeking. What a maroon.


Jan 18, 2015
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Jan 19, 2015
Tesla's Musk: fracking threatens electric cars
I'd say not - the total cost of ownership of electric cars is higher, because they simply require more energy - this energy is required for production of batteries, lithium, neodymium for motors, etc.. Under situation, when most of energy is still produced from fossil fuels, the electric cars http://en.wikinew...y_finds, not decrease it. It's as easy as it is: the more luxurious and expensive also means more environmentally demanding. And increased mining of fossil fuels enable the production of dirty expensive environmental nonsenses, like the electric cars. Without cheap oil due to fracking Elen Musk could never realize his dreams..

Shouldn't that say most likely from, or probably, or could be from fossil fuels because you really haven't proven anything with facts.

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