An electric drive system for the world's largest truck

An electric drive system for the world's largest truck
The world's biggest truck has an electric drive system. Four electric machines with 1,200 kilowatts each from Siemens help the 800 ton gigant moving. Recently, the first truck of the BelAZ 75710 series went into operation in a sibirian mine in the Kuzbass region. The truck is more than 20 meters long, 10 meters wide and has a height of 8 meters. It weighs 360 tons without load and can transport 450 tons of material. This amount is equal to the weight of a fully loaded Airbus A380.

The world's biggest truck is powered by an electric drive system consisting of four electric motors from Siemens, each with an output of 1,200 kilowatts (approximately 1,800 hp), that keep the more than 800-ton GVW vehicle moving on the road. The first BelAZ 75710 model recently began operating at a Siberian mine in the Kuzbass region of Russia. The truck is more than 20 meters long, almost ten meters wide, and eight meters high. It weighs 360 tons when empty and can transport around 450 tons of cargo, a volume that corresponds to a fully loaded Airbus A380 airplane.

The Siemens engineers who designed the drive system faced a major challenge, as the BelAZ truck manufacturer in Belarus wanted this to not only be the biggest truck in the world but also to carry 25 percent more payload than the world's biggest dump truck at the time. Plans also called for a significant reduction of the cost per ton of transported material. The truck has a maximum speed of 64 kilometers per hour when empty.

Underground and open-pit mining companies face increasingly restrictive environmental protection regulations. These companies also want their transport vehicles to be available around the clock so that they can be as productive as possible. With this in mind, Siemens' traction-drive experts in Nuremberg developed a reliable and powerful all-wheel drive system that uses four . The electricity is provided by two generators, each of which is driven by a 16-cylinder diesel engine with an output of approximately 1,700 kilowatts.

Eight tires - each of which can support 100 tons

Unlike previous models, the new truck was to be outfitted with eight tires, because each tire is designed to carry a load of only about 100 tons. An extensively tried and tested drive system was used as the basis of the new truck's drive system, and the engineers also developed a new type of control system. All of the components of the system came from Siemens. This ensured that all the elements would be compatible and would work together perfectly.

The all-wheel drive configuration offered the engineers new possibilities, such as dynamic traction distribution on both of the truck's axles. Moreover, if one of the electric motors were to fail, the truck would still have emergency drive capability, meaning that it could be driven to a service center under its own power - in other words, it wouldn't have to be towed and it wouldn't obstruct other vehicles. The four-wheel drive system and the four-wheel hydraulic steering system ensure that the tires, which are around four meters high, don't get stuck in rough terrain.

Siemens has been developing drive systems for dump trucks for about 20 years, always with the goal of finding ways to make these giants of the mines more efficient. Among the examples are the "trolley trucks," which get their electricity from overhead power lines. This innovation makes it possible for these trucks to almost double their speed, even on steep ramps.


Explore further

Trucks to drive with current collectors on a public road for the first time

Provided by Siemens
Citation: An electric drive system for the world's largest truck (2014, November 14) retrieved 18 June 2019 from https://phys.org/news/2014-11-electric-world-largest-truck.html
This document is subject to copyright. Apart from any fair dealing for the purpose of private study or research, no part may be reproduced without the written permission. The content is provided for information purposes only.
0 shares

Feedback to editors

User comments

Nov 14, 2014
More piss-poor selections by the 'editors' at physorg..

This is an advertisement, not a science article. Siemens has more than enough resources to run their own ads.

Nov 14, 2014
We need big things in Russia so I find the article worthwhile, even while USA needs to downsize because they hollowed out their economy and sold all the gold

Nov 14, 2014
Actually I really appreciated the article, I had no idea that this technology had advanced to this level. This is very encouraging, I thought we'd need rails for massive transport in a carbon free economy. I guess not!

The only thing missing is what's the range on a full charge.

Very cool :)

Nov 14, 2014
If kochevnik has 45 rubles,he can buy one dollar.

Nov 14, 2014
Le Turneau proved this decades ago with their massive earth movers. This is just part of the new power systems we are building. We started it in the West about 35 years ago, and those who do not understand it, keep on screaming the same things over and over, as if they were the only ones who understand power.

In order to save face, they pervert my points to simpletonian concepts.

Nov 14, 2014
@gkam If you held the world's gold reserve like China now does your USA could still be a superpower instead of a paranoid police state afraid of it's own citizens. Even your friend Canada opened a renminbi exchange last week in preparation for your collapse. They want hard currency not worthless notes backed by debt and false-flag bloodshed. Brenton-Woods fixated the planet on your dumb dollar but now everyone is unhinging right under your nose. Do you see Siemens refusing to deliver this truck to Siberia? Already your country is becoming a clown. A terrifying clown

Just an hour ago USD fell. The fall of the rouble is in concert with other currencies which have fallen against the USD. The last time that happened was 2008, which was when Russia pulled out of your mortgage-backed junk and collapsed your real estate market

Nov 14, 2014
Hey, Ivan, this is a thread on electric transportation, not some pathetic Pootie Policies by Vlad the First.

Nov 14, 2014
We had the chance to electrify our postal service in the 1980's. We had converted a fleet of mail vehicles with electric motors and batteries of the old kind. All maintenence, every mile and every electron was tracked for a year in Cupertino, a town with long flats and steep hills.

When they proved practical, my mentor went to Washington DC to complete the contract. But meanwhile, Reagan changed Postmaster Generals, and the new one took bribes to give the contract to others, and he was fired.

But it was too late. We lost that opportunity.

Nov 14, 2014
Hey, Ivan, this is a thread on electric transportation, not some pathetic Pootie Policies by Vlad the First.
The truck was designed in Germany, build in White Russia and put to work in Siberia. It seems all that radiation has fuzzed your brain, gkam. And Putin has almost 90% approval while your Obama is about 10%. Speaking of "Pootie" why is your president married to a dude formerly named Michael?

Nov 14, 2014
It was in the 1980s Ivan. The Commies had all of you locked up in your own borders, unable to even come here, . . too SCARED to let your people see us.

I am having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. My former military experience will not let me continue, unless you stick with the topic.

Nov 14, 2014
Actually I really appreciated the article, I had no idea that this technology had advanced to this level. This is very encouraging, I thought we'd need rails for massive transport in a carbon free economy. I guess not!

The only thing missing is what's the range on a full charge.

Very cool :)


You didn't read the ad. The motors are powered by generators on the drive train of two huge diesel engines, burning oil.

Nov 14, 2014
Poco a poco, sapos.

Nov 14, 2014
"The motors are powered by generators on the drive train of two huge diesel engines, burning oil."
---------------------------------------------

And soon it will be renewable oil from algae, stuff which does not increase CO2. We will replace petroleum as a fuel.

Nov 14, 2014
This is an advertisement, not a science article
@Sapo
yeah... i am with you on this one
what is the deal here... especially with regard to the lack of huge advancement
each of which is driven by a 16-cylinder diesel engine
basically a train engine, right?
why not use the train engines for direct drive?
i am not sure that this is that big of a deal.... not saying that it is not really cool, and that a huge dump truck isn't something fun, but it is a huge dump truck that uses train engines to run generators who then transfer the power to electric motors...

that just seems excessively convoluted IMHO

i always thought simplicity would win out over complexity, especially with regard to this type operation with a harsh environment around it

Nov 14, 2014
Poco a poco, sapos.


Yeah, thanks. Call me Sapo. (Toad in Spanish, but you know that...)

Nov 14, 2014
[]basically a train engine, right?
why not use the train engines for direct drive?


That's what they are Captain-Skippy. That's what every train in America have been using since way before I was born. I don't think this is such the big deal as the article makes out. Diesel-Electro is nothing new. It's old. So old that I have been bugging the owners of the company I work for to start getting them in new orders. So far they have bought just one out of 3 or 2 hundred towboats that they own. All the big cruise ships and most of the new freighters use them.

It's more efficient than just the diesel with a gearbox. And has less moving parts to break down. It's even more efficient that the huge marine gas turbines. The navy is going for them too.

Nov 15, 2014
I have been wondering if such a truck could become more efficient by recuperating the enormous amount of energy available when it is both loaded and unloaded. Could super/ultra capacitors do this? Maybe spinning up a flywheel would be better or could it be done hydraulically? The issue of safety using a very high speed flywheel would be much less on a vehicle with so much mass between the mechanism and the driver.

Nov 16, 2014
We need big things in Russia so I find the article worthwhile, even while USA needs to downsize because they hollowed out their economy and sold all the gold

Awkward. Puerile. Pathetic.

Perhaps you express yourself better in another tongue, but in English, you'd best avoid attempting rhetoric.

On topic: the mention of minimizing the prospect of towing a disabled truck to a service center leaves me wondering what might otherwise be used to tow this behemoth?

Nov 16, 2014
We tow disabled trucks with another truck.

The only difference between this truck and other diesel / electric configurations is an extra two wheel motors on the front making it an all wheel drive.
Not sure how you would go down a freshly watered ramp with retarding effort on all four wheels, they have a tendency to go sideways with rear wheel drives but at least the front wheel spin at full speed allowing some steering.

It's also very very rare to have two motors fail at the same time, you can limp back to the shop on one easily enough now. The only situations where you need a tow in is when steer / brake pump, engine or main alternator fails and the disabled truck no longer can steer on it's own. Even then you run auxiliary hoses from the tow truck to the steering circuit of the disabled one so you can steer it under tow.

Le Tourneau make diesel electric front end loaders with a wheel motor for each wheel, they have been for ages.

Nov 16, 2014
When the engines are fueled by algae-derived biodiesel, the game is over for dirty fuels.

Nov 16, 2014
The beauty of electric drives is the wheel which needs the most power gets the most power. No wheel-spinning.

Nov 17, 2014
This is just part of the new power systems we are building. We started it in the West about 35 years ago, and those who do not understand it, keep on screaming the same things over and over, as if they were the only ones who understand power.


You're making such a big deal out of it.

Diesel-electric drivetrains have been a thing since the war and practically all big movers used them because the control systems were built around motor-generator amplifiers.

The basic operation is that the engine turns a generator at constant speed, the generator powers a motor, and a feedback system controls the magnetic excitation of the generator, thus controlling the amount of power put out by the generator, thus controlling the speed and direction of the motor. That permits you to build sophisticated analog control loops without fancy high-tech power semiconductors.

When the engines are fueled by algae-derived biodiesel...


You have to make it first. In volume.

Nov 17, 2014
And soon it will be renewable oil from algae, stuff which does not increase CO2. We will replace petroleum as a fuel.


You don't seem to understand how big a task that actually is.

The US of A burns through 3 million cubic meters of petroleum a day for road fuel.

You need 200,000 square miles of land/water to replace just the diesel fuel with algae derived biodiesel. That's bigger than the entire state of California and could just about fit in Texas.

The environmental impact of setting up California-sized algae farms, either on land or in the sea, even if broken up into smaller units, would be disasterous. Harvesting all of it at sea would be implausible at best, impossible at worst, and setting it up in pools on land would require ridiculous amounts of water.

Nov 17, 2014

I agree with your conclusions. Biofuels are not an alternative, because their production on an industrial scale has the potential to destroy the fragile bio balance in nature.


Inevitability rather than potential.

The scale of production would require covering all the coastal waters of the US with algae farms. It would outright destroy the ecosystems.

Nov 17, 2014
All maintenence, every mile and every electron was tracked for a year in Cupertino, a town with long flats and steep hills.


I'm getting the impression that not everything was being tracked.

The Finnish post office ran a similiar experiment in the late 80's early 90's and pledged to replaced 10% of their delivery van fleet with electrics. A test fleet of 61 purpose-built electric vans based on a Subaru chassis proved that the electric vans were about 30% more expensive to run than the regular vans, so the project was scrapped.


Nov 17, 2014
Moreover, if one of the electric motors were to fail, the truck would still have emergency drive capability, meaning that it could be driven to a service center under its own power

Seems sensible. I'd like to see the tow truck that could tow that sucker.

I thought we'd need rails for massive transport in a carbon free economy

It's for mining. I'm not sure when last I saw railways leading down mine shafts.

And Putin has almost 90% approval while your Obama is about 10%

Yeah, but Putin tends to put his opposition in jail...and 'freedom of the press' isn't exactly widespread in Russia (nor in the US, but there is still a bit of a difference). So I wouldn't rely too much on such numbers.

Nov 17, 2014
It's more efficient than just the diesel with a gearbox. And has less moving parts to break down. It's even more efficient that the huge marine gas turbines. The navy is going for them too.
@Uncle Ira
Thanks for pointing that out... interesting information!

Nov 17, 2014
All maintenence, every mile and every electron was tracked for a year in Cupertino, a town with long flats and steep hills.


I'm getting the impression that not everything was being tracked.

The Finnish post office ran a similiar experiment in the late 80's early 90's and pledged to replaced 10% of their delivery van fleet with electrics. A test fleet of 61 purpose-built electric vans based on a Subaru chassis proved that the electric vans were about 30% more expensive to run than the regular vans, so the project was scrapped.


Sure... in the '80s when batteries were killer expensive and gas was 30 cent's/gallon I'm sure that was the case.

In the early '80s when computers were so slow it was usually easier to do complex math calculation on paper.

The world has changed since the '80s

Nov 17, 2014
The beauty of electric drives is the wheel which needs the most power gets the most power. No wheel-spinning.


One of many beauties.

Another is that a wheel at 0RPM can be provided maximum torque with minimal wear on the drive system. An electric drive has the same torque regardless of the speed.

A direct drive system requires the engine at optimum RPM, then transfer all those hundreds of HP to the axel using some form of a slip differential like a clutch. All that power wears at the clutch plate until it finally grabs and transfers the power to the wheels.


Nov 17, 2014
"The world has changed since the '80s"
-------------------------------------------------

Motor drives have not changed much except for PWM. Al least for topologies. The innerds have traded SCRs for IGBTs, and better solid state devices, though.

Nov 17, 2014
And your impression that everything was not tracked is wrong. This was a serious study, one which could have changed us. Politics undid it. The irony was Reagan was a hero to my mentor, the person who did the tests for over a year, and took them to the Postmaster General.

Nov 17, 2014
Yeah, but Putin tends to put his opposition in jail...and 'freedom of the press' isn't exactly widespread in Russia (nor in the US, but there is still a bit of a difference). So I wouldn't rely too much on such numbers.
Do you think Guantanamo is constitutional? These freedoms are largely irrelevant in Russia. Russia needs to keep it's borders intact and protect Russians abroad from terrorism, including US-funded terrorists. For example an ISIS terrorist threatened Russia and within a week he was dead. That's freedom. Also being able to travel without the stigma of a USA passport is just one of a hundred real freedoms we enjoy. USA is a fake country with faked history. Sign a form there and notice the threats of prison etc. Americans are so brainwashed they just conform because independent thought is stigmatized there. What price can one put on not living with hiveminds with more in common from "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" than Galileo and Newton?

Nov 17, 2014
" Also being able to travel without the stigma of a USA passport is just one of a hundred real freedoms we enjoy."
------------------------------------

You folk put up the Berlin Wall to keep your folk imprisoned. Where are you going to travel, . . . inside Russia?

Nov 17, 2014
Sure... in the '80s when batteries were killer expensive and gas was 30 cent's/gallon I'm sure that was the case.


Batteries are still killer expensive and car fuel economy has improved. Those mail vans had 14 kWh battery systems, which alone would still cost you the price of an entire new van, such as a Renault/Dacia Dokker. They were only affordable then because they used lead-acid.

The test was run through the 90's at least up unitl 1999, and the price of gasoline in Finland in the late 90s was the third highest in Europe. For the information I can find, they were paying the equivalent of $5.80 per gallon in today's dollars.

The company that made the cars ended production in 2002 for a lack of sales, and is now manufacturing golf carts.

And your impression that everything was not tracked is wrong.


I'm still not convinced. It sounds just like any other "who killed the electric car" story that is based on exaggeration and omission of information.

Nov 17, 2014
Though I have no doubt that one could make electric cars marginally economical in California in the 70-80's, given that you don't load them with too many batteries, or drive fast, or expect them to carry a lot of load.

Cold climates cause a 25-50% penalty to EV driving range due to higher aerodynamic drag and higher rolling resistance on snow and in rain, and the need for defrosting the windshield and running headlights etc. so again what works in CA may fail miserably in NY or Washington.


Nov 17, 2014
Gosh, Eikka is that all you could find? And why are you still trying to bad mouth alternative energy? After you folk learn how to do it, it will be much cheaper, and your health care costs will drop.

Nov 17, 2014
Motor drives have not changed much except for PWM. Al least for topologies.


Actually, companies like Tesla are using high speed 3-phase induction motors with variable frequency drive, which is a new development.

Multiphase inverters were prohibitively expensive to make, too large and too feeble for a lack of suitable power semiconductors back in the day, so they used DC motors and PWM drive instead.

Before transistorization, aside for the rotary amplifiers used in large movers, electric cars used to switch the field coils into different configurations to change the kV factor of the motor to make it run at different speeds. Kinda like having the throttle stuck on full, and simply changing gears.

Nov 17, 2014
Gosh, Eikka is that all you could find? And why are you still trying to bad mouth alternative energy?


I'm not badmouthing alternative energy.

I'm calling you out on spinning tall tales and spreading unwarranted hype.

If you think telling things how they are is "badmouthing", you really should take a reality check.

Nov 17, 2014
" . . . change the kV factor of the motor, . . "
-----------------------------------------------

Electric cars do not not run on kiloVolts.

Want me to send you my seminar on electric motor drives?

You may find the techniques for translating drive power into PWM interesting.

Nov 17, 2014
Electric cars do not not run on kiloVolts.


What kind of electrical engineer are you? Kv is the velocity constant of an electric motor that effectively defines its top speed.

And technically, they do. The Tesla Model S runs on 0.4 kV if you want to be a smart-alec.

Want me to send you my seminar on electric motor drives?


Sure. Pass the link so we can all take a look.

Nov 17, 2014
You have to give me an address. Maybe I'll send just a page or so, so you do not steal it.

And it is "kV", not "Kv". Worked with it at all?

Those of us in the business call 0.4 kV as 400 Volts.

Nov 17, 2014
"Kv is the velocity constant of an electric motor that effectively defines its top speed. "
-----------------------------------

Where did you get THAT?

The frequency of rotation is determined by the frequency of the power in AC drives. In DC it usually depends upon the topology and the relationship between power input and load.

Nov 17, 2014
Hold on, I thought this was the worlds biggest truck.

"Built by Marion Power Shovel Company of Marion, Ohio, the crawlers are 131 feet (39.92 m) long, 113 feet (34.44 m) wide and stand 20-26 feet (6.09-7.92 m) high. Weighing in at 2,495 tonne (2,750 ton) unladen, they required a specially designed road to handle the weight and ensure that no sparks (which don't go well with rocket fuel) are generated as the metal treads roll over it. These giant treads are made of 456 steel shoes 7.5 feet (2.28 m) long, 1.5 feet (0.45 m) wide and weigh 0.9 tonne (1.1 ton) each.

"In all, this makes the crawlers the world's largest self-powered land vehicle and at the time it entered service, it was the largest land vehicle on Earth."
http://www.gizmag...e/24054/
What kind of electrical engineer are you?
Hes no kind of engineer. He just likes to lie about being one.
You have to give me an address
Post it here you liar, along with some proof of authorship.

Nov 17, 2014
" Also being able to travel without the stigma of a USA passport is just one of a hundred real freedoms we enjoy."
------------------------------------

You folk put up the Berlin Wall to keep your folk imprisoned. Where are you going to travel, . . . inside Russia?
Unfortunately NATO requires a much bigger wall. USA is the third wheel. The guy who will not disappear when neighbors want to be close. If we don't give them a piece of the action, they sanction, bomb, invade. They're like a stalker hunting down Hollywood actresses, but there is not prision built to hold them yet so USA keeps killing. Then you play the third wheel, inviting yourself ot our private gatherings demanding we pay everything in US dollars despite never having been in USA. Your government is the ultimate terrorist. No wonder ISIS and Bin Laden, Vladimir Lenin and Svoboda Ukrainian NAZIS came to your government for technical support and funding. The latter you supported with $10billion

Nov 17, 2014
At least otto stopped screaming "liar". Now he only mentions it. What turns people into these cowardly malcontents?

But his foul mouth and attitude have earned him an ignore, joining the company of ryg and joe.

Nov 18, 2014
Where did you get THAT?

The frequency of rotation is determined by the frequency of the power in AC drives. In DC it usually depends upon the topology and the relationship between power input and load.


Basic physics.

DC motors are limited in top speed to where their back-EMF, or the reverse induced voltage equals that of the supply voltage due to the rotor spinning in a magnetic field. The velocity constant signifies this relationship, so it's basically a measure of how fast the motor will turn given some arbitrary voltage. Turn the motor faster, and it reverses current towards the supply.

Given that the common DC motor achieves full power output at half its theoretical top speed, it also gives you an indication of your usable speed range where the motor is self-regulating to increasing loads.

AC motors experience rather a similiar effect, where increasing the drive frequency does not allow you to drive it arbitrarily fast, but the same constant is not used.

Nov 18, 2014
You have to give me an address. Maybe I'll send just a page or so, so you do not steal it.


Just upload it to some filehost and share the link here. I'm not giving you any personal addresses, lest you start harrassing me or give it to third parties who would - you seem like the kind of person who would.

In my time I've seen many people who simply can't agree to disagree in a civil way.


And it is "kV", not "Kv". Worked with it at all?

Those of us in the business call 0.4 kV as 400 Volts.


Seems like the point flew over your head completely, or you're just intentionally acting dumb.

Nov 18, 2014
Also:

The frequency of rotation is determined by the frequency of the power in AC drives.


Technically only in synchronous AC motors.

In asynchronous motors like induction motors, shaded pole motors, and universal motors such as those found in vacuum cleaners and power tools, that work on both AC and DC, there is no fixed speed. It depends on the load and there's always a slip from the AC line frequency.

When driving AC motors over their design frequency, it's not the back-EMF that increases, but the reactance of the motor coils, which means given a fixed input voltage the torque of the motor decreases until a point where it cannot overcome its own bearing friction, and that is the top speed the motor can take.


Nov 18, 2014
But his foul mouth and attitude have earned him an ignore, joining the company of ryg and joe.


Using the ignore function against people who simply disagree with you is a very childish act, and ultimately counterproductive because now he can spout any trash and you won't be seeing it to rectify any false accusations.

Reality and all the bad things in it won't go away by not looking at it.

At least otto stopped screaming "liar". Now he only mentions it. What turns people into these cowardly malcontents?


Frankly? Your attitude.

It genuinely seems like you don't know what you're talking about half the time, like you were a simple utility lineman out of trade school pretending to be a professor in EE because they let you watch while the real professionals went about their business.


Nov 18, 2014
Gkam, the problem is this:

By your own admission you've been a nuclear engineer, a test pilot, a soldier, a renewables consultant or researcher, grid engineer, and you've done seminars on power electronics and motor drives...

The list of your achievements is growing by the day, and yet you seem to get confused over high school physics that are directly relevant to your area of expertise.

It is exactly as if you were a pathological liar.

Nov 18, 2014
Now you are on the bandwagon, too? I offered you proof, but none of you wanted to check it out. I was an electronics tech at Edwards, and for the Electronic Battlefield. Coming home, I worked with industrial lasers and electron beams at millions of Volts. Then was an Electronic Engineer for National Semiconductor, then ran a plastics company, then was Plant Engineer for a large Iron foundry, then was a Research Engineer, then was hired by PG&E, where I rose to become Senior Engineer in Technical Services. What is so hard about that?

Look me up, silly.

BTW I found my name in the thank you list at the ARIA, a very special aircraft I worked with decades ago, . . it was my coming-of-age experience, and the story was sold to Smithsonian Air and Space Magazine for eventual publication. I only got $500 for it but would have paid them that much to print it.

I guess those of you who cannot debate properly have to stoop to personal attacks.

Nov 18, 2014
If anybody wants the stories of what is really like to send folk into space in rocket-powered aircraft, send me a place to email it. Edwards was a magic place back then, and like living in a movie. Amazing experience for me.

Nov 18, 2014
Eikka, it is not sufficient to read, you must also DO, if you are to really make it intuitive and part of your life experience, as much as possible. Spouting Wiki back at us is not understanding.

And look folk up before you start calling them liars, please. I worked very hard all my life, and actually did all that, not knowing it was so unusual. I was just going through life.

My gosh, I have yet to get into the 20 years I worked for myself as a consultant to electric utilities. I stopped counting at 33,000 attendees to my one to three day seminars on electrical power. What will you say about that?

Nov 18, 2014
I offered you proof
Proof was when gkam admitted he had no formal engineer education. Proof would be when gkam posts his PE number and the state it was issued in. Proof would be gkam providing a reference for plutonium raining down on Idaho, or any of his other bullshit comments.
What will you say about that?
Id say that per your performance here, it is utter bullshit. But such qualifications have no bearing on your arguments re nukes. The fact that you think they do, says lots about your character.

Anybody remember pussycat eyes the fake engineer? This could be another iteration by the same demented idiot.
earned him an ignore
?? I'm not writing for you, dimwit. I'll continue to expose your outrageous bullshit for the people here who read it. You just won't be able to defend yourself.

Nov 18, 2014
Eikka, it is not sufficient to read, you must also DO


Not sure what argument you're trying to make here, but as far as I'm concerned, what you do or what you know won't change what actually is.

I worked with industrial lasers and electron beams at millions of Volts


Ah, so now you're a particle physicist as well? As I said, the list keeps getting longer and more incredible by the day.

Now you are on the bandwagon, too? I offered you proof, but none of you wanted to check it out.


Where?

If all this is public information, then you won't mind posting it right here. I'm not going to scour around trying to prove your stories for you, because if I come back empty handed you'll just say I'm refusing to believe it.

My prediction is that the moment you publicize the name of the person who you claim to be, someone will contact them and they'll confirm that you aren't - so you won't and this little charade will never end. I've seen that pattern before.

Nov 18, 2014
My gosh,


So you rose to the top in the ARIS plane electronics. Then moved on and rose to the top at the National Semiconductor. Then moved on and rose to the top at the laser-Volts institute. Then left there and made it to the top at the plastics company. But that was not enough for you so then took over the Pacific Gas and Electric Company.

I must say WOW Skippy, you must really think everybody here at the physorg is really dumb.

I have yet to get into the 20 years I worked for myself as a consultant to electric utilities.I stopped counting at 33,000 attendees to my one to three day seminars on electrical power. What will you say about that?


What will I say about that? Well how old you are Skippy? About 150 or 140 years old? You are like a Bennie-Skippy, a returnering-Skippy and a Really-Skippy all rolled up into one Skippy.

Nov 18, 2014
What is so hard about that?


It's hard to believe that a senior engineer, a particle physicist, an engineer in National Semiconductors, a secret electronic warfare operator, a test pilot, a factory owner and a generally all around nice guy would be so incompetent when it comes to the basic stuff that they didn't recognize a motor velocity constant for what it is.

So here's a little test.

Take an ordinary mechanically commutated DC motor, like one found in a hairdryer, or perhaps in a rotary converter of an army radio truck, and tell me why does it run better in one direction instead of the other, and why is that a good thing?


Nov 18, 2014
Eikka,apparently you do not know the uses for electron beams. Ever use heat-shrink plastics? Apparently you do not know we extrude these materials, then beam them at 500kV to 3.0 MeV to crosslink the monomers into longer chain polymers, giving it elasticity at temperature. Then we expand it and cool it, and you buy it.

We also beamed the wire for spacecraft at Raychem. The first one to not use it burned on the launchpad. What do you want? The beams were by Radiation Dynamics Inc., GE, and High Voltage Engineering, and another I forgot.

Do you folk really think I am lying or is what you want to believe? I want you to look it up so I can rub your nose in it.

Nov 18, 2014
Eikka,apparently you do not know the uses for electron beams.


It's irrelevant what the uses of electron beams are. The point here is that you're feeding us so much yarn that it's becoming ridiculous.

Do you folk really think I am lying or is what you want to believe? I want you to look it up so I can rub your nose in it.


You could just prove yourself and then rub our noses in it, but you won't because you got nothing to show.

Again, its your burden of proof, because if anybody comes back to say they didn't find anything, you'll just claim they didn't look hard enough and send them back. You're playing a game where the rules are that you always win.

That might as well be the definition of "trolling".

Nov 18, 2014
It's hard to believe that a senior engineer, a particle physicist, an engineer in National Semiconductors, a secret electronic warfare operator, a test pilot, a factory owner and a generally all around nice guy would be so incompetent when it comes to the basic stuff that they didn't recognize a motor velocity constant for what it is.


I'm not a scientist like he isn't either, and even I knew what Kv was.

Nov 18, 2014
Eikka calls me names, then says he does not trust ME? I gave him sources for my name and photo, references to other positions, but he/she is too afraid to follow them up. It is easier to bad-mouth.

I gave you my personal information. Who are you? What have you done? What is your education and experience? All I see is cut and paste from Wiki.

Look me up, or shut up. Did you find my name on the ARIA page? Know what that special aircraft did? Find me in the 553 Recon Wing? In the front page of the newspaper from the Air Force Flight Test Center? No?

It is easier for liars to accuse others of being afflicted with the same character deficit. I did not accuse you of lying? Why would assume I would, without looking me up?

You have displayed your character by your personal attacks.

You do not like my message, so it is so easy to dismiss it, not having any experience of your own.

Nov 18, 2014
Let us look YOU up, Eikka!


Nov 18, 2014
Let us look YOU up, Eikka!


Why?

Eikka calls me names, then says he does not trust ME? I gave him sources for my name and photo, references to other positions, but he/she is too afraid to follow them up. It is easier to bad-mouth.


I gave you my personal information.


Again, I have recieved nothing of substance. It's not my job to prove who you are.

What have you done? What is your education and experience? All I see is cut and paste from Wiki.


Ad-hominems and appeals to authority and expertise get you nowhere. Even if you turn out to be Richard Feynman, you still have to justify and prove your claims with hard facts.

You have displayed your character by your personal attacks.


Who is it that I'm personally attacking, when you refuse to assume any clear identity in the first place?

Nov 18, 2014
Look me up, or shut up.


I look you up. There is not any gkam Skippys listed any of those places.

Did you find my name on the ARIA page?


I just told you that there is not any gkam Skippys on there.

Find me in the 553 Recon Wing?


If you is looking for a gkam Skippy nobody will find you in there.

Why would assume I would, without looking me up?


If all we got to work with is gkam Skippy nobody can look you up. Why you think everybody is too stupid to notice that?

You have displayed your character by your personal attacks.


You have displayed your own characters by pretending to be the Skippy you are not. And by thinking everybody is so stupid they would fall for it.


Nov 18, 2014
It is easier for liars to accuse others of being afflicted with the same character deficit. I did not accuse you of lying? Why would assume I would, without looking me up?


I assume you're a liar because you refuse to give straight answers to simple questions and instead play these evasive mind games, falling back to rhetoric and irrelevant diversions whenever your veracity is questioned.

Furthermore, you generally argue with hyperbole and little factual information.

You behave like a liar, so you probably are.

Nov 18, 2014
Eikka, I gave the reference to the official USAF site with my name and picture on it, but will not do it again. The rabid Deniers and bystanders in life are malicious.

Find some way for me to send it to you, and I will include the story now owned by Smithsonian Air and Space. It is ridiculous, . . but absolutely true. I had no idea something I did decades ago would have such consequences. Cool stuff, actually, . . . Cold War stuff.

Nov 18, 2014
Eikka, I gave the reference to the official USAF site with my name and picture on it, but will not do it again. The rabid Deniers and bystanders in life are malicious.


All anyone is asking is just to know who you are, so they can verify that you really did everything you claim. None of this hide and seek game.

If all that is public information anyways, you should have no issues posting it right here.

Nov 18, 2014
"You behave like a liar, so you probably are."
------------------------------

Please stop this malicious nonsense. I do not make personal attacks against you. And I just ignore the others here in political prejudice. I thought you might be different.

Send me a way for you to get it. Put up a temporary email account, then close it.

Nov 18, 2014
Eikka, I gave the reference to the official USAF site with my name and picture on it, but will not do it again. The rabid Deniers and bystanders in life are malicious.

Find some way for me to send it to you, and I will include the story now owned by Smithsonian Air and Space. It is ridiculous, . . but absolutely true. I had no idea something I did decades ago would have such consequences. Cool stuff, actually, . . . Cold War stuff.


Are you the Obama-man-Skippy who used to post here a lot and say nothing about anything except all the stuff you didn't really do?

Nov 18, 2014
Please stop this malicious nonsense. I do not make personal attacks against you. And I just ignore the others here in political prejudice. I thought you might be different.


I'm not being malicious. I'm simply demanding you to put your money where your mouth is.

Calling that malicious is the same thing as admitting that the truth would harm your case.

Send me a way for you to get it. Put up a temporary email account, then close it.


This is beyond me personally. You made public claims, you prove them publicly.

If you don't want to expose yourself publicly, stop boasting with your personal achievements and start making your arguments on facts like any other intellectually honest person.

Nov 18, 2014
Eikka is SCARED to get the information. Having done nothing himself, he is against the wall. He knows I dare not advertise my email to the Deniers and other malicious crazies and foul-mouths in these threads.

Go back to Wiki. You can cut and paste.


Nov 18, 2014
Eikka is SCARED to get the information.


No. I'm simply waiting for it.

Still waiting.

He knows I dare not advertise my email to the Deniers and other malicious crazies and foul-mouths in these threads.


If the leads you claim to have given were truly sufficient and reliable to verify your claims, any of the people you're afraid of could follow the same. You have no excuse.

And nobody is asking for your email anyhow.
he is against the wall


Look, I know you can't get out of this without looking like a fool even if everything you say was true. All I'm asking is for you to tone down on the hyperbole and we can leave everything at that. As long as you're not making spurious claims about how you did everything back in the 70's, nobody needs to question you.


Nov 18, 2014
Eikka, your poor little ego will not let you check me out. I guess you were a really smart guy in school, and with the wiki think you can figure anything out. Typical sophomore error.

Well, I am 70 years old, and already learned my lessons, and did so without calling others who did more than me "liars". It only displays character for all to see. Go back and read my work history. Then tell me what YOU have done. Okay?

Nov 18, 2014
USAF site with my name and picture on it
Well we've already established that you were a mechanic of some sort. So what? And also a

UTILITY ENGINEER
(IUOE Local 39 Salary Range 40)

Incumbents of this class perform semi-skilled work involving minor repair and maintenance of building systems, including plumbing, electrical fixtures, carpentry, door and window hardware, painting plus pool operation and cleaning responsibilities.

General knowledge of applicable laws regulating the safe operating and repair practices for building mechanical systems including building codes, construction standards, environmental agency requirements and life safety standards.
Knowledge of basic operations, tools, and terms used in building operations and maintenance.
Possession of or ability to obtain current Certified Pool Operator's License.
Possession of any or all of the following certificates:
– Blood Borne Pathogen Training Certificate
– Lead Paint Awareness Certificate

Nov 18, 2014
Another irrelevant and probably nasty comment from otto - thanks to ignore, I do not see them.

But we will continue to see increased electrification of our society. Better get used to ideas newer than those of James Watt.

Meanwhile, many of you folk act like crabby nay-sayers, imprisoned in your political prejudice, enabled by your lack of appropriate technical education and experience, screaming nasty words at those who have done what you have not. It threatens your cherished misunderstandings, so you attack the messenger.

But grow up.

Nov 18, 2014
Meanwhile, many of you folk act like crabby nay-sayers, imprisoned in your political prejudice, enabled by your lack of appropriate technical education and experience, screaming nasty words at those who have done what you have not. It threatens your cherished misunderstandings, so you attack the messenger
Naw, its just that we find senile old bullshit artists like you offensive. But I bet you got tired of hearing that down at the VFW and thats why youre here.

Nov 18, 2014
Again, when these monsters run on algae-derived biodiesel, the circle is closed. We grow our fuels and have no carbon added. No need for all those naval Carrier Groups to protect the oil lanes between us and our suppliers who hate us.

When we continue to electrify the roads, we can save the nasty petroleum for feedstocks. Burning it for transportation fuels has been really cool, (great energy density with liquids), but we cannot do it for much longer and still breathe.

Nov 18, 2014
you folk do not understand technology is simplifying things for us. We will not have to be PG&E to generate power and sell it. most folk are completely unaware where the sources for power lie.

The first is efficiency and conservation. When working for PG&E, I went into colleges and university campuses and put together energy management teams, taught them how their systems worked, and took them around as we did complete energy analyses of their facilities and systems. My little group saved our customers 20% of their power costs with little or no cost to the customer. That was 1980-82, before I went into Technical Services.

Nov 19, 2014
Well, I am 70 years old, and already learned my lessons, and did so without calling others who did more than me "liars". It only displays character for all to see. Go back and read my work history. Then tell me what YOU have done. Okay?


Your continued avoidance merely confirms my point.

I cannot read your work history when you refuse to identify who you are, and your work history is irrelevant anyhow because it is an ad-hominem - an appeal to authority - which is a logical fallacy in a discussion about facts.

Who you are or what you did doesn't change what works and what doesn't.

again, when these monsters run on algae-derived biodiesel, the circle is closed.


Again, making algae-derived biodiesel for all the movers out there would cover an area the size of Texas, which would cause untold environmental ruin. Making only limited amounts for limited use would make it very expensive due to demand.

Be realistic.

Nov 19, 2014
Meanwhile, many of you folk act like crabby nay-sayers, imprisoned in your political prejudice, enabled by your lack of appropriate technical education and experience, screaming nasty words at those who have done what you have not. It threatens your cherished misunderstandings, so you attack the messenger.


Now you're just being histrionic and hypocritical.

You don't provide ANY substance to ANY of your claims and continue to make sweeping generalizations and hyperbole on all subjects, spreading obvious false information while posing as an expert in everything, appealing to your own authority as your only justification while minimizing all conflicting information as "wikipedia knowledge", and accuse others of being political pundits and shills when someone points out how factually wrong you are.

I think I've made my point sufficiently clear: You sir, are a crank and a troll.

Nov 19, 2014
My personal assertions have brought out the true character of Eikka and the other Deniers, who are here because of political prejudice, having nothing to do with science.

Thanks, Eikka, for the revelations.

Nov 19, 2014
Okay, Eikka, go here: AFTC.HO.Workflow@us.af.mil

and ask for

Edwards AFB Desert Wings-10211966 page one.

Then you can apologize for your abuse. No excuses, I want an apology which I will never get.

I do not understand how you folk could get so caught up in your own ignorance that you abuse others.

Nov 19, 2014
Okay, Eikka, go here: AFTC.HO.Workflow@us.af.mil

and ask for

Edwards AFB Desert Wings-10211966 page one.

Then you can apologize for your abuse. No excuses, I want an apology which I will never get.

I do not understand how you folk could get so caught up in your own ignorance that you abuse others.


Skippy, nice try Cher. But you still not bamboozle us with posting up something you already know will not work. That is the email address and you can't check nothing on there. How about you post up linkums for us to check out or quit with no proof proofs.

Nov 19, 2014
It seems Ira hunts me down so he/she can vote me down. I had no idea I was so important to her.

Fortunately, it is irrelevant.

Nov 19, 2014
The above reference cannot be used. Send me an email account and I will send the documents.

Then, you can reveal who YOU really are, . . .

Nov 19, 2014
Then, you can reveal who YOU really are


I'm not the one claiming to be a spy, combat veteran, semiconductor engineer, plastics engineer, test pilot, Pacific Gas & the Electric super chief engineer, 20 years teaching 33.000 students at time in my seminars, million volt laser engineer, gone to five different colleges, and helping everybody to cut their electric bills by 50% one house at a time.

In just the last day and half a day, you done claimed about 200 years worth of climbing to the top spot in ten different fields and trying to pass your silly self off as 70 years as if that might give you enough time to cram all those lies into one life time.

It's like for the last two days you been on some kind of meth-drugs and can't stop adding in one lie after the other to make up for the last one.


Nov 19, 2014
What I'm saying Cher is,,, you have over played your hand this time, again Cher.

We all know you are the Obama-fan-Socks with a new game to argue with.

OBAMA-FAN-SOCKS again.

OBAMA-FAN-SOCKS again.

OBAMA-FAN-SOCKS again.

OBAMA-FAN-SOCKS again.

OBAMA-FAN-SOCKS again.

You over played the hand again Skippy. You always do that. Now next time you can come back again as a Republican-Tea-Party-Foolish-Skippy to argue some more. Then you can come back again as the liberal-environmental-hippie-Skippy and then come back again as the religious-cult-Skippy and again and again.

Nov 19, 2014
I'm not the one claiming to be a spy, combat veteran, semiconductor engineer, plastics engineer, test pilot, Pacific Gas & the Electric super chief engineer, 20 years teaching 33.000 students at time in my seminars, million volt laser engineer, gone to five different colleges, and helping everybody to cut their electric bills by 50% one house at a time.

In just the last day and half a day, you done claimed about 200 years worth of climbing to the top spot in ten different fields and trying to pass your silly self off as 70 years as if that might give you enough time to cram all those lies into one life time.

It's like for the last two days you been on some kind of meth-drugs and can't stop adding in one lie after the other to make up for the last one.
Disturbing to be face to face with genuine clinical insanity isnt it?
The above reference cannot be used
So why did you post it? Did you think the people here wouldnt know?

Please sign in to add a comment. Registration is free, and takes less than a minute. Read more