I often like to discuss science online and I'm also rather partial to topics that promote lively discussion, such as climate change, crime statistics and (perhaps surprisingly) the big bang. This inevitably brings out the trolls.
"Don't feed the trolls" is sound advice, but I've ignored it on occasion – including on The Conversation and Twitter – and I've been rewarded. Not that I've changed the minds of any trolls, nor have I expected to.
But I have received an education in the tactics many trolls use. These tactics are common not just to trolls but to bloggers, journalists and politicians who attack science, from climate to cancer research.
Some techniques are comically simple. Emotionally charged, yet evidence-free, accusations of scams, fraud and cover-ups are common. While they mostly lack credibility, such accusations may be effective at polarising debate and reducing understanding.
And I wish I had a dollar each time a scientifically incompetent ideologue claimed science is a religion. The chairman of the Prime Minister's Business Advisory Council, Maurice Newman, trotted out that old chestnut in The Australian last week. Australia's Chief Scientist, Ian Chubb, was less than impressed by Newman's use of that tactic.
Unfortunately there are too many tactics to discuss in just one article (sorry Gish Gallop and Strawman), so I will focus on just a few that I've encountered online and in the media recently.
'Experts'
Internet trolls know who their experts are. There are thousands of professors scattered across academia, so it isn't surprising that a few contrarians can be found. In online discussions I've been told of the contrarian views of "respected" professors from Harvard, MIT and Princeton.
Back in The Conversation's early days I even copped abuse for not being at Princeton by someone who was clearly unfamiliar with both science and my employment history. It was a useful lesson that vitriol is often disconnected from knowledge and expertise.
At times expert opinion is totally misrepresented, often with remarkable confidence.
Responding to one of my Conversation articles, the Australian Financial Review's Mark Lawson distorted the findings of CSIRO's John Church on sea levels.
Even after I confirmed with Church that Lawson had the science wrong, Lawson wouldn't back down.
Such distortions aren't limited to online debates. In The Australian, Maurice Newman warned about imminent global cooling and cited Professor Mike Lockwood's research as evidence.
But Lockwood himself stated last year that solar variability this century may reduce warming by:
between 0.06 and 0.1 degrees Celsius, a very small fraction of the warming we're due to experience as a result of human activity.
Newman's claims were debunked, by his expert, before he even wrote his article.
Sometimes experts are quoted correctly, but they happen to disagree with the vast majority of their equally qualified (or more qualified) colleagues. How do the scientifically illiterate select this minority of experts?
I've asked trolls this question a few times and, funnily enough, they cannot provide good answers. To be blunt, they are choosing experts based on agreeable conclusions rather than scientific rigour, and this problem extends well beyond online debates.
Earlier this month, Senator Eric Abetz controversially seemed to link abortions with breast cancer on Channel Ten's The Project.
While Abetz distanced himself from these claims, his media statement doesn't dispute them and talks up the expertise of Dr Angela Lanfranchi, who does link abortions with breast cancer.
Abetz does not have expertise in medical research, so why did he give Dr Lanfranchi's views similar or more weight than those of most doctors, including the Australian Medical Association's president Brian Owler, who say there is no clear link between abortion and breast cancer?
If Abetz cannot evaluate the medical research data and methods, is his choice largely based on Dr Lanfranchi's conclusions? Why won't he accept the views of most medical professionals, who can evaluate the relevant evidence?
Abetz may be doctor shopping, not for a desired diagnosis or drug, but for an desired expert opinion. And just as doctor shopping can result in the wrong diagnosis, doctor shopping for opinions gives you misleading conclusions.
Broken logic
Often attacks on science employ logic so flawed that it would be laughable in everyday life. If I said my car was blue, and thus no cars are red, you would be unimpressed. And yet when non-experts discuss science, such flawed logic is often employed.
Carbon dioxide emissions are leading to rapid climate change now, and gradual natural climate change has also taken place over aeons. There's no reason for natural and anthropogenic climate change to be mutually exclusive, and yet climate change deniers frequently use natural climate change in an attempt to disprove anthropogenic global warming.
Unfortunately our Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, employed similar broken logic after the 2013 bushfires:
Australia has had fires and floods since the beginning of time. We've had much bigger floods and fires than the ones we've recently experienced. You can hardly say they were the result of anthropic [sic] global warming.
Bushfires are a natural part of the Australian environment but that does not exclude climate change altering the frequency and intensity of those fires. Indeed, the Forest Fire Danger Index has been increasing across Australia since the 1970s.
Why the Prime Minister would employ such flawed logic, and contradict scientific research, is puzzling.
Galileo
The Italian scientist and astronomer Galileo Galilei was infamously persecuted by the politically powerful Catholic Church because of his promotion of the sun-centred solar system.
While Galileo suffered house arrest, his views ultimately triumphed because they were supported by observation, while the Church's stance relied on theology.
The Galileo Gambit is a debating technique that perverts this history to defend nonsense. Criticisms by the vast majority of scientists are equated with the opinions of 17th century clergy, while a minority promoting pseudoscience are equated with Galileo.
Ironically, the Galileo Gambit is often employed by those who have no scientific expertise and strong ideological reasons for attacking science. And its use isn't restricted to online debates.
Bizarrely, even the politically powerful and well connected are partial to the Galileo Gambit. Maurice Newman (once again) rejects the consensus view of climate scientists and, when questioned on his rejection of the science, his (perhaps predictable) response was:
Well, Galileo was virtually on his own.
Newman's use of a tactic of trolls and cranks is worthy of criticism. The triumph of Galileo's views were a result of his capacity to develop scientific ideas and test them via observation. Newman, and many of those who attack science, notably lack this ability.
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Michael Brown
4.8 / 5 (24) Aug 20, 2014There are multiple studies of the temperature history of the globe that use a range of methods (e.g., instrumental record, tree rings, boreholes). Trolls, bloggers, journalists and politicians often use a select few studies (or pseudo-studies) and attempt to use these to trump the rest of the literature.
A classic example of this is the abuse of the pioneering Lamb (1982) study. Lamb measured the temperature history for just central England, and his study shows a warm period around 1200, but his approach used educated guess work (at times) and he had no margins of error.
Unsurprisingly, Lamb's pioneering study differs from much of the subsequent literature that has more robust methodology, more data and global/hemisphere coverage. And yet climate deniers frequently select Lamb ahead of other more rigorous and relevant studies.
Michael Brown
4.8 / 5 (23) Aug 20, 2014The Gish Gallop is the rapid presentation of a series of points (including falsehoods and half-truths) during a debate. The Gish Gallop's strength is it takes less time and technical knowhow to present each misleading point than it does rebut them.
One possible counter to the Gish Gallop is forcing the discussion to stay on one point, and refusing to move onto another point until the first point is resolved.
Watebba
Aug 20, 2014Watebba
Aug 20, 2014antialias_physorg
4.5 / 5 (28) Aug 20, 2014That's a good point. The scientifically illiterate cannot make an educated selection of experts. Their choice is more or less random (a bit on the 'less random' side, because - like all uneducated people - they tend to go for what 'pops' instead of what makes sense)
Follow the money. No puzzle there.
One should distinguish between what a person believes and what a person says. If the latter generates profit then it may easily be at odds with the former.
Our local '50 cent'-army representatives (rygg et. al.) are prime examples.
Watebba
Aug 20, 2014Modernmystic
1.7 / 5 (36) Aug 20, 2014Actually scientists have said that it would be impossible for rockets to operate in space, impossible to break the sound barrier, impossible for heavier than air machines to fly, people whose 'views ultimately DID NOT triumph despite the fact that they were supported by observation....'
A little history and perspective along with your egocentric lambasting of other people might ACTUALLY teach you something....
Modernmystic
1.1 / 5 (29) Aug 20, 2014Albert Einstein; Scientific genius and publisher of special and general relativity...
And according to Michael J. I. Brown, a non expert and would be internet troll because he didn't base all his opinions on observation by the "real experts".....either that or secretly a member of the Catholic Church who infiltrated the circles of science in a devious plot to subvert quantum mechanics.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (28) Aug 20, 2014The internet has perhaps made trolling easier but it also offers an eventual solution. The instant access to facts will make it possible for automation to instantly flag bullshit and expose trolls, or to simply preempt them.
This is inevitable because trolls have made it necessary. And AI moderation will signal the ultimate triumph of science over human nature.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (37) Aug 20, 2014No matter. AI mods will deal with them all.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (19) Aug 20, 2014Modernmystic
2 / 5 (23) Aug 20, 2014These are also easy to spot in their lack of maturity and inability to handle rejection of their "argument". Since they aren't really participating in a discussion they get easily frustrated at people who don't simply "see the light" and accept their surrogate opinion that they did a lot of "research" finding and bringing to the world...IOW people who won't engage in fiat acceptance but require discussion. They are a lot like the overly religious in this aspect.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (30) Aug 20, 2014https://gustavus....archive/
I believe it was Eugene Winger who said that if a scientist can't explain his research to a 6th grade student, he did not sufficiently understand the research.
When AGWites can't answer simple questions about their research, they claim 'consensus', 'settled science' so shut up and stop asking questions.
Asking questions is trolling now?
Only if the researchers can't, or don't, have the answers.
supamark23
4.7 / 5 (39) Aug 20, 2014julianpenrod
1.2 / 5 (35) Aug 20, 2014Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (33) Aug 20, 2014You can call me Skippy if you want to Skippy.
You might have to get some other Skippys voting you higher grades Skippy. You can't dilute a "1". And if I were you, I'd be thanking the nice peoples at physorg for not allowing the negative number karma points.
Non Skippy, the bad karma points aren't viciousness, they are for when you say silly things. The comment block is for the viciousness, like where you tell someone like Julie-Skippy he is really stupid.
That must be it. What you say is true so nobody gives you a five. Is that your idea of good scientifical theory thinking? Getting the "1" is because everybody thinks you are right?
Leave the silly looking pointy cap at the door when you leave for the next couyon so he doesn't feel left out.
Modernmystic
1.6 / 5 (30) Aug 20, 2014ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (24) Aug 20, 2014For some the rating systems provides some measure of self-worth based upon how upset some are when they are rated #1.
Sounds like too many students today who expect undeserved 'As'.
Example:
5 / 5 (1) 1 hour ago
Runrig, sorry I downvoted you.
http://phys.org/n...firstCmt
Toiea
1.3 / 5 (19) Aug 20, 2014antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (33) Aug 20, 2014As for who are the trolls, just look at the comment ratings and that becomes evident.
flashgordon
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 20, 2014This 'troll' usage is a social phenomenon much like the 'Slash's daughter/sister' young female rock guitarists have been given recently.
Science is religion is debatable. I got that far.
I'd consider physorgs constant christianising of science, trolling . . .
supamark23
4.5 / 5 (32) Aug 20, 2014Well, considering that your comments are generally among the lowest rated..... and you're definitely a troll here, that last sentence may be the most truthful thing you've ever posted on phys.org.
antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (36) Aug 20, 2014Toiea
1.3 / 5 (24) Aug 20, 2014dtxx
4.6 / 5 (26) Aug 20, 2014This is why all peer reviewed journals employ 6th graders and require their final approval before anything is published. After all, Eugene Winger said so in 1981 at a conference that you personally attended and feel very special about. If that is not a standard we can all agree on for what should be called science, then what is?
supamark23
4.5 / 5 (26) Aug 20, 2014there is nothing progressive, or intelligent, about what antigoricle says - look at the post above yours for a sample of a typical comment.
Toiea
1.4 / 5 (22) Aug 20, 2014Toiea
1.7 / 5 (20) Aug 20, 2014supamark23
4.7 / 5 (25) Aug 20, 20141. They get their jollies posting obvious BS to rile people up. These are also known as "pot stirers"
2. They are paid to post in certain topics (like AGW) that corporations want to influence public opinion on.
For 2 of the lowest rated posters, antigoricle and ryggesgn2, I suspect antig is the 1st and rygge is the 2nd.
I downvote those two reflexively, but also anyone posting what I consider pseudoscience - aether wave theory posts are in that catagory for example because it was disproven about 100 years ago.
baudrunner
1.4 / 5 (20) Aug 20, 2014ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (25) Aug 20, 2014Why bother?
For me, to receive a '1' from AGWite/socialists/'liberals'/'progressives' is badge of honor.
Toiea
1.2 / 5 (24) Aug 20, 2014ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (23) Aug 20, 2014No, they are attracted to power.
""Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. "
http://www.goodre...the-good
Toiea
1.2 / 5 (18) Aug 20, 2014ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (22) Aug 20, 2014"They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals." "
The 'progressives' racist affirmative action programs have kept millions in virtual slavery and we see the results in MO the past few days.
supamark23
4.5 / 5 (25) Aug 20, 2014You know that actually describes social conservatives, right? they're the ones trying to codify the private behavior of people (they're the ones that pass laws against being gay, doing drugs, etc. and demand everyone else live their way).
Toiea
3.1 / 5 (15) Aug 20, 2014ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (21) Aug 20, 2014"No wonder Mann (and his anonymous - but evidently very rich - backers) are fighting so hard to delay the process for as long as possible.
If this ever goes to trial they're all toast.
"
http://www.breitb...is-toast
Toiea
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 20, 2014antigoracle
1.3 / 5 (25) Aug 20, 2014Again, thanks for the insight into the workings (or lack thereof) of a lone neuron.
Jollies and paid eh! You are even more dense than I gave you credit. Do you even read what you write before hitting submit.
ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (23) Aug 20, 2014No, it' the 'progressive'/socialist that supports corporatism.
You don't believe liberty is better than tyranny? Good is better than evil?
supamark23
4.4 / 5 (21) Aug 20, 2014Toiea
3 / 5 (10) Aug 20, 2014Toiea
1.6 / 5 (11) Aug 20, 2014rp142
4.1 / 5 (16) Aug 20, 2014ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (18) Aug 20, 2014Mainstream GOP are not conservatives. They attack conservatives. They fear conservatives.
And no, conservatives don't identify as libertarians as they support the rule of law and defending liberty.
What is 'centralist' about China? It's a communist state that is failing due to its central planning, just as all other socialist states are failing.
China is ideal? China is communist. How is that ideal?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Aug 20, 2014"the government remains an authoritarian one-party state. It places arbitrary curbs on expression, association, assembly, and religion; prohibits independent labor unions and human rights organizations; and maintains Party control over all judicial institutions."
"The government censors the press, the Internet, print publications, and academic research, and justifies human rights abuses as necessary to preserve "social stability." It carries out involuntary population relocation and rehousing on a massive scale, and enforces highly repressive policies in ethnic minority areas in Tibet, Xinjiang, and Inner Mongolia."
http://www.hrw.or...rs/china
TegiriNenashi
2.8 / 5 (9) Aug 20, 2014China is a moderate national-socialist (fascist) state.
ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (19) Aug 20, 2014"Elder mentioned that there is "a whole bunch of crap going on in the inner city as a result of no fathers," which he said "is a result of 50 years of the War on Poverty launched by Lyndon Johnson."
"Today, we vote 95% for the Democratic party, and what's the result? Destroyed families, bad schools, high crime, and then they've gotten us believing that the real enemy is the Tea Party, is John Boehner, is Larry Elder," he stated. "It's unbelievable what they've done to the mentality of black people in this country.""
http://www.breitb...ssed-Off
Benni
3.5 / 5 (17) Aug 20, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (15) Aug 20, 2014How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
All socialist states are the same. The state controls private property. The flavors of socialism are fascism, communism, corporatism, ... All that changes is how the tyrants are chosen and how tyrannical they are.
RobertKarlStonjek
2.6 / 5 (14) Aug 20, 2014He WAS supported by the church and his friend, whom eventually became Pope, was a keen admirer of his work.
He fell into disfavour when he claimed that the sun WAS the centre of the universe rather than just claiming that a sun centred model could better predict the position of heavenly bodies such as planets and especially their moons.
This one point is where the conflict with the church flared up.
Was Galileo right? In fact no, he wasn't. The sun is not the centre of the universe. Neither is the Earth.
But both sun centred AND Earth centred models are still in use. Earth centred models are used to plot the position of Earth satellites both natural (eg the moon) and artificial (eg communication satellites).
Galileo was right about the Earth moving, but the Church was right in that the sun centred model is just a model and does not represent reality (the sun is not the centre of the universe).
strangedays
4.4 / 5 (19) Aug 20, 2014Once again - Ryggy brings up the topic of race - when commenting on an article about science, and trolling. Would you care to make a hateful comment about people from 'turd world countries' while you are at it.
I concurr with supamark - the irony of an article about pseudoscience - bringing out so much pseudoscience....
Toiea
2.1 / 5 (10) Aug 20, 2014TegiriNenashi
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 20, 2014That is hilarious (if it were not so sad in the light of today news)! Look at yourself: your politically corrected mindset doesn't recognize jokes anymore.
TegiriNenashi
1.6 / 5 (14) Aug 20, 2014Your assertion that me (or anyone, for that matter) being "somewhat biased" is vacuous. Besides, this is not just my opinion (China fitting into fascist category) -- I have seen it on some discussion board a while ago. It stroke me how accurate that observation was.
strangedays
4.4 / 5 (21) Aug 20, 2014What news might that be that would justify a racist comment about people from poor countries in other parts of the world? The old "it was just a joke - so lighten up" does not make you look too smart Tegir.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (17) Aug 20, 2014It's just example of the failure of the 'progressives'.
It's an accurate definition and is supported by data.
Bias occurs with those who like socialism and try to hide its failures. Just as AGWites do.
strangedays
4.5 / 5 (22) Aug 20, 2014It was just an example of your hateful world view - it is never too far from the surface is it?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (19) Aug 20, 2014JULIEN! WE KNOW YOUR GOD DOESNT EXIST BECAUSE HIS BOOK IS FULL OF LIES ABOUT THINGS THAT DIDNT HAPPEN! AND YOUR GODMAN AND HIS MOM WERE DESIGNED AS GAY PEOPLE!
There that oughta do it.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (21) Aug 20, 2014rp142
4.6 / 5 (12) Aug 20, 2014I'm sure some of them don't realise they have become trolls but many of them do. Some go online with the intent to troll because they enjoy it, not out of frustration over a closely held view point. They do not set out to convince the audience that their perspective is the correct one.
They have been a 'causes' that I've supported over the years, only to be put off completely by expressions of extreme views that mean I no longer wish to be associated with the segment of the community.
strangedays
4.4 / 5 (23) Aug 20, 2014I don't insist on you thinking highly about any specific group. I called Ryggy out for posting a racist comment. You now follow up - and dig the hole deeper.
The discussion of race - and issues like the high percentage of different ethnic groups in our prison system - is a highly complex discussion. This is not the place for that discussion. BUT - innapropriate racist comments - like using the term 'turd world countries' should be called out. You want to dig the hole deeper - and exhibit your racism on top of Ryggy's - have at it.
TegiriNenashi
1.7 / 5 (17) Aug 20, 2014Captain Stumpy
4.6 / 5 (15) Aug 20, 2014no, what you are experiencing is people who are well versed in science (or at least more well versed than you are) downvoting you because all you offer is unproven conjecture or debunked pseudoscienceDEBUNKED: http://arxiv.org/...1284.pdf , http://exphy.uni-...2009.pdf
just like Baud, ryg, antiG and the others of your ilk above, NO EMPIRICAL evidence means PSEUDOSCIENCE
Captain Stumpy
4.6 / 5 (18) Aug 20, 2014if that "observation" is not backed up by hard evidence, empirical evidence, and proof that is supported by more than just the "few people" you see posting in a comments section, and there is no statistical evidence helping...
Then you can say YES, it is racist...
SCIENCE uses a method for a reason... so that personal conjecture and beliefs do not taint the system... that is why the former RACIST beliefs have fallen away... NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE -things like: blacks are genetically lazy and not able to comprehend complex physics or machines (like during the days of the Tuskegee Airmen) were proven WRONG with empirical data
the claim MUST be supported by PROOF
strangedays
4.2 / 5 (19) Aug 20, 2014Right - so throwing around hateful terms like 'turd world country', and bringing up race - when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand (trolling, and pseudoscience) are not OK.
Here in the U.S. - the issue of race is a very sensitive one. We have hundreds of years of slavery, segretation, social/economic disparity etc. Definitely a subject to be careful around. You talk of science - and then use words like 'backwards'. What is 'backwards?' Are you saying that all African Americans are backwards? Maybe you should do some reading on the poverty trap, and scoi-economic disparities - brought about by economic factors. Nothing to do with 'backwards' - lots to do with a system that makes it very tough to climb out of poverty. Yes Tegiri - you and Ryggy have advertised your racism.
mooster75
4 / 5 (12) Aug 21, 2014Well, allow me to present to you...
Michael Brown
5 / 5 (20) Aug 21, 2014An interesting variation of the selective use of experts is to take quotes of a few famous scientists from the past who were wrong, and then assume their attitudes applied to all scientists of the time.
The claim that scientists believed rockets couldn't operate in a vacuum would be an example of this. Perhaps some scientists believed this (references please), but the most famous promotion of this idea was a New York Times editorial from 13 January 1920 which was finally "corrected on 17 July 1969. One can compare the style of the 1920 editorial with some of the editorials attacking climate science in 2014.
Captain Stumpy
4.7 / 5 (18) Aug 21, 2014It is good to see an author take time out for responses on a public site like this. THANKS.
With a site like this, it also does no good to even report the post and get the people banned/deleted from the site.
Take the poster above called Toiea. Toiea is also known as Zephir and runs his own pseudoscience page elsewhere (I think on reddit). He has had AT LEAST 18 different profiles here just since (i think) jan... as soon as they ban him, he creates another profile and starts in again.
we know that zephir will never be able to accept reality or empirical evidence (especially anything that debunks his faith)
At least there are articles like this to reference showing newbies how to spot the trolls. It also teaches people how to think critically and get evidence before accepting a post/comment/etc. as true or real.
again... thanks!
Michael Brown
5 / 5 (18) Aug 21, 2014While Einstein was working in a patent office in 1905, this was also the year he received his PhD in physics. Einstein's ideas were motivated by observations by professional scientists (Hertz, Michelson, Morley), were published in scientific journals, were evaluated by professional scientists and accepted by the scientific community relatively rapidly (Einstein winning the Nobel Prize in 1921).
It took longer for Einstein's ideas to be accepted by people outside the physics community. Many non-physicists had strong ideas about Einstein's theories, even though they couldn't critically evaluate their content. This is very similar to current debates about science.
The Physics Today article "Science controversies past and present" by Steve Sherwood discusses this issue in some detail.
antigoracle
1.2 / 5 (21) Aug 21, 2014I got to hand it to Michael Brown, he has taken trolling to a new level with this drivel that has no place on a science site. So it's no surprise he has succeeded in doing exactly what he accuses trolls of doing
marcush
4.4 / 5 (20) Aug 21, 2014antialias_physorg
4.8 / 5 (17) Aug 21, 2014Agree with everything you say about Einstein not being an amateur.
Small correction: He didn't win the Nobel Prize for Realtivity but for his work on the photoelectric effect. And according to the Noble Prize website he was awarded the prize in 1922 as two prizes were given out that year and none in 1921 (in case no work is worthy the prize - as was judged in 1921 - it can be reserved for the following year)...he is therefore always listed as the winner of the 1921 prize.
ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (19) Aug 21, 2014African Americans are saying this.
Many of them.
But those who support keeping blacks voting for their own bondage attack blacks like Bill Cosby, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, Allen West.
If any black person wants to judge by the content of his character, join the tea party movement. Become a conservative and you will no longer be considered black by 'liberals'.
Watebba
Aug 21, 2014Mayor__Dooley
4.8 / 5 (19) Aug 21, 2014Their knee-jerk reaction is amusing and ironic, the same lame methods and as ever devoid of wit.
I doubt that some could even pass the Turing test.
Trolls also have martyr tactic, as recently used by Rygg. It is a mark of desperation, where their normal methods are faltering.
By maintaining a willful ignorance that is designed to insult, they try to invite mockery from those who see through their inane assertions. Once they get such a bite, they then cower and cry, claiming that this persecution makes them somehow more valid.
We can see a variant of this here, where it invites people to downrate its posts. But this includes another flawed assertion, that to disagree with anything it says will turn you into a 'liberal'.
Watebba
Aug 21, 2014ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (19) Aug 21, 2014African blacks seem to fit in and prosper in Europe and the US.
Even blacks from former slave countries like Haiti and Jamaica prosper in the US. Mia Love's parents are from Haiti. She is running for US Congress in Utah and is viciously attacked by 'progressives'.
ryggesogn2
1.1 / 5 (18) Aug 21, 2014Compare and contrast Popper with Kuhn, for example?
The AGWites seem to be following Kuhn's science. Rejecting all data that won't support their theory.
Popper was motivated to falsification by the Marxists and Freudians. Theirs was not considered science, although they claimed their philosophies to be scientific. Popper singled out Einstein for proposing falsifiable theories and then conducting the experiments. To Popper, this was real science.
Then there is Billy Koen, "A Discussion of the Method". Science is just another heuristic.
ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (19) Aug 21, 2014In reference to Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Carson said , "It's become politically incorrect to actually put your finger on the real problem. And you look in some of these cities like Chicago, Why don't we talk about their failed gun laws? And why don't we talk about what is their mayor doing? Why are things getting so bad? Because he's a friend of the secular progressives."
http://www.breitb...-Talk-Ab
Michael Brown
5 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014Watebba
Aug 21, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (19) Aug 21, 2014That was the eugenicist Sanger's intent when founding Planned Parenthood. Murder as many inferior humans as possible before birth.
Not just Sanger....
"Dawkins later added, "Learn to think in non-essentialist ways. The question is not 'is it human'?' but 'can it suffer?'"
When InYourFaceNewYorker tweeted, "I honestly don't know what I would do if I were pregnant with a kid with Down's syndrome. Real ethical dilemma," Dawkins returned, "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice.""
http://www.breitb...he-World
Watebba
Aug 21, 2014JohnGee
4.8 / 5 (20) Aug 21, 2014Watebba
Aug 21, 2014Watebba
Aug 21, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
4.6 / 5 (21) Aug 21, 2014"Yes, it is very civilised," Dawkins responded. "These are foetuses, diagnosed before they have human feelings."
-which is absolutely correct. And further, many religionists would resist any attempts to prevent prenatal birth defects, considering the womb 'gods black box' which we should be forbidden from tampering with. Birth defects are a judgement from god, not a medical condition, according to them.
"That's it in a nutshell. I want children with disabilities to be born, and I want their parents to be confident the children will receive the lifelong care they need."
-Because without suffering, who needs Jesus?
antigoracle
1.5 / 5 (22) Aug 21, 2014trol.li.cle
n.
An article (story, fabrication) that's trolling.
SaulAlinsky
4.5 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014One is only 'human' when one has 'human' feelings?
Babies in the womb are human.
Babies have feelings in the womb.
Babies have human feelings in the womb.
Watebba
Aug 21, 2014Benni
1.5 / 5 (17) Aug 21, 2014........hey there Michael, I have news for you you as a Nuclear/Electrical Engineer, this is still the case today & is consistently & amply demonstrated right here on this site. There is hardly a single person posting comments on a high frequency basis at this site who believes Einstein was scientifically accurate when he stated in his thesis on General Relativity that the Universe is a "quasi-spherical" structure, instead they believe it is "flat & infinite" in size.
I can see how those who've never seen a differential equation they could solve could be duped into the "flat infinite" concept, simply because the study of "entropy" involves differential equations but Einstein knew how to do the math.
ryggesogn2
1.1 / 5 (17) Aug 21, 2014This skepticism is a central pillar in right-of-center thought. It was the conservative patriarch Edmund Burke who mused that "we are afraid to put men to live and trade each on his own private stock of reason, because we suspect that this stock in each man is small." It was the libertarian hero Friedrich Hayek who insisted that we recognize "the insuperable limits to [man's] knowledge" and favor organic social arrangements over clever schemes of our own design. And today, it is not progressives but leading center-right voices like Jim Manzi and Nassim Taleb who eloquently remind us that things are almost always more complicated than they seem.
The theoretical physicist Richard Feynman once quipped that "the first principle" of science is "that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.""
http://thefederal...-has-abs
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014So it's acceptable to cut them to pieces and crush their skulls? After all, they only feel pain.
How does anyone know what a baby feels in the womb?
"He says his work has been able to show for the first time that the unborn baby engages in complex behaviour from an early stage of its development."
http://www.michae...s658.htm
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.6 / 5 (21) Aug 21, 2014"Chemotaxis is movement of an organism in response to a chemical stimulus. Somatic cells, bacteria, and other single-cell or multicellular organisms direct their movements according to certain chemicals in their environment. This is important for bacteria to find food by swimming toward the highest concentration of food molecules, or to flee from poisons. In multicellular organisms, chemotaxis is critical to early development (e.g., movement of sperm towards the egg during fertilization) and subsequent phases of development (e.g., migration of neurons or lymphocytes) as well as in normal function."
-Consider this next time you are touching yourself and thinking of st theresa.
http://en.wikiped...t_Teresa
Modernmystic
2.3 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014It does seem to fly in the face of what I believe, but observations seem to be telling us it is indeed flat...
http://map.gsfc.n...ape.html
Or at the very least much, much larger than we think.
Modernmystic
1.4 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014While I sympathize and generally agree with your point of view...you're not really speaking to his question at all. The best one can infer is that you're saying two wrongs make a "right".
IOW are you suggesting that since gut bacteria do respond to positive and negative stimuli we should ignore the fact that human beings do too?
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014It is claimed Dawkins is a biologist.
His assertion has no basis in science.
freethinking
1.4 / 5 (19) Aug 21, 2014They both like to crush skulls and dismember innocent babies.
Even their justifications are similar:
1. Infidels are a threat to our way of life. vs. this unborn baby is a threat to our economic (or other) way of life.
2. Infidels are not human they are subhuman dogs vs. this unborn baby is not human, it is something else, subhuman.
Benni
3.4 / 5 (12) Aug 21, 2014........only because you & the those from whom you quote do not know how to follow the differential equations in courses of Thermodynamics in the study of Entropy & why that math proves an infinite universe cannot exist.
@ Modern, prove to me you have the same intellectual capacity as Einstein, show us your math disproving his thesis, show us your differential equations proving "flat & infinite", otherwise you fall right into Michael Brown's heretofore above stated authorship as a "troll" unable to "critically evaluate their content". You can't do this? You're a "troll".
Maggnus
4.8 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014"These are foetuses, diagnosed before they have human feelings."
I know you religionists would rather them grow into teenagers so you can send them off to fight other religionists, but the world considers this uncivilized.
"The United Nations has declared the highest level of humanitarian emergency in Iraq and has accused Islamic State militants of carrying out "barbaric" acts of sexual violence against women and teenage boys and girls belonging to Iraqi minorities"
"So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan."
Eikka
4.1 / 5 (15) Aug 21, 2014Trolls are intentionally wrong. They're not trying to sell you anything, change your opinions or change the world; they're in it to make you angry and then laugh at you. They know they're misrepresenting the issue at hand and use various rhetorical tactics towards that end to proverbially pull your nose and kick you on the shin.
When you're doing it for any other end, it's not trolling. The person may be a crank, a fool, a paid shill, ignorant, stupid, anything - but not a troll.
So the big flaw in categorically labeling anyone who persistently disagrees and argues with you trolls is that you're implying they know they're wrong and you are right. That is actually a fallacy known as begging the question, because by "arguing against trolls" you are in fact defining yourself and your own point of view the correct one by default.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (18) Aug 21, 20149 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks." psm137Many trolls here might start out with sincere though misguided opinions, but get upset when they are proven wrong and so degenerate into trolling because they feel it is the only way to win.
Modernmystic
2.1 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014LOL. My god your ego is really tied up in this one isn't it?
First of all it isn't "MY" thesis, or "MY" math. That would be the people at the NASA. If you feel the need to continue to show an immature inability to discuss a topic like this then find someone else.....because I have absolutely no interest in doing that with you. Go throw your tantrum at the folks at NASA and others who do espouse the theory.
Can YOU show us the math that PROVES the Universe isn't flat? Proof mind you, do you have any observations that bear out your position? No? Well the WMAP data seems to. Which is more valid, math/theory or observation?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (14) Aug 21, 2014"18.. but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed." john3
"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant... served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon... Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die." deut17
-Your books ALL demand exactly the same things.
Modernmystic
2 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014^^ Spot on!
Toiea
1.6 / 5 (14) Aug 21, 2014Benni
2.8 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014......because you don't know how to do the math.
Yes, Einstein's thesis on General Relativity. Ever try following some of it? Or is it your level of math skills preventing it?
......and "the WMAP data which seems to", is your best dodge around your dismal math skills. I know far better than you what the WMAP is.
Eikka
4.6 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014There is no such thing as unintentional trolling. That's just called "being annoying".
Trolling has just taken a much wider meaning in the public discourse than what it really means. Anyone who doesn't agree with you, makes you annoyed, or people who you simply don't like are now "trolls".
Modernmystic
2.8 / 5 (6) Aug 21, 2014I don't know how to do the math, but that's not the reason I have no interest in playing out some emotional need you have to engage in pissing contests over the shape of the universe. Find a therapist for that one...
Post the relevant portion of the theory including the math then, or kindly shut up.
No you don't, because you don't need complex math to get the principle they're employing to show the geometry. It's all right here.
http://map.gsfc.n...eom.html
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying I tend to trust their conclusion more than yours...mainly because they're capable of expressing it, and expressing it in a manner that clearly isn't emotional....
Psilly_T
2.3 / 5 (13) Aug 21, 2014Someone called toiea was the most sensible in responses (except the author) in this comment section, and he was pretty much ignored and "1" posted cuz he's Zephir. Not cause his comments were incorrect they were near spot on. Keep on arguing/yelling guys please you're accomplishing soo much for the world. Great example all of you. :(
cabhanlistis
2.1 / 5 (7) Aug 21, 2014freethinking
1.3 / 5 (14) Aug 21, 2014What we need is to prize Integrity again. We need to prize justice.
When scientists purposely falsify data to prove what they think they know, when they link unrelated fields of study to AGW to get headlines or to get money, when scientists demean those that don't agree with what they believe, society and science suffer.
supamark23
4.5 / 5 (15) Aug 21, 2014Your first paragraph says we should get back to telling the truth, then your second paragraph is filled with lies... good job.
Modernmystic
1.8 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014Then this gem...
Finally this...
Is the irony lost on you Phyllis?
supamark23
4.6 / 5 (9) Aug 21, 2014Toiea
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014His comments are incorrect.
Why should scientists be concerned about opinion?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (12) Aug 21, 2014"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
-As to intent:
"Popular recognition of the existence (and prevalence) of non-deliberate, "accidental trolls", has been documented widely"
-People who never learn how to argue can think troll behavior is normal.
freethinking
1 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014How this relates to this article. How about insisting on truth from all people including scientists, community leaders, politicians even yourself, if you know if something is false don't keep repeating it. Truth matters! Justice Matters! Take a step back to see if you are nothing but a member of a lynch mob promoting your pet ideas.
Toiea
1 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014Niels Bohr: "An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field".
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (15) Aug 21, 2014there is actually much truth in that... except /b/ is funnier
@Psilly_T
actually, he was downvoted in many posts for spouting nonsense... both as Toiea AND as wataba
especially for comments like thisthe REASON that aether is "never seriously considered with mainstream science" is that it was DEBUNKED and thus science has moved on to bigger and better things
you don't keep used tampons as cherished parts of your loved one...
you throw them away
likewise awt
he does have a FEW valid points up there, but it is intermixed with bs...
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014"A troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.It doesnt.-So why dont you go back there? And stay there?
Toiea
1 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014Toiea
1.4 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014tadchem
1.8 / 5 (5) Aug 21, 2014In college as a student of Epistemology, I discovered and demonstrated (to the professor's chagrin) that many key fundamental arguments in philosophy are founded in equivocation and fought with rhetoric, albeit at the highest levels I have seen before or since.
In spite of their flaw to the logical thinker, the numerous Fallacies of Informal Logic (such as ad hominem attacks, straw man arguments, appeal to authority, and the like) continue to be used because they are effective. Illogical but emotional people seem to enjoy the rhetorical 'Kool-Aid'.
baudrunner
1 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014Regarding those Nazca lines, my last post was a book list relating to the topic on that page. Some of those books were written by an individual who dedicated 60 years of his life to the translation of the cuneiform script on relatively recently discovered ancient Sumerian kiln-fired clay tablets belonging to a culture that far predates contributors to biblical text, which in at least in the case of the creation story in Genesis, can easily be construed as a synopsis of the Enuma Elish (Read the Attestation of Endubsar https://sites.goo...dubsar). He proposes, not avers, the existence of ancient astronauts. Pseudoscience?
Benni
3.2 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014....of course it's the reason, or you'd do it.
........it's too long, but is is all over the internet, several pages of it, give it a try & come back & tell us how your WMAP skills proved Einstein's math is wrong.
......oh yes I do, because I'm the Engineer with the math/physics skills outnumbered by the general population from which you come & proclaim bright nodes on interstellar gas clouds prove an infinitely flat universe.
....and this premise should supercede the premise of Einstein's GR?
Toiea
1 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014"A troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
It doesnt. Idiot troll.
Modernmystic
1.4 / 5 (9) Aug 21, 2014No, not knowing calculus isn't the reason I don't want to get into a shouting match with a two year old. It's EXACTLY the same situation with you...but you do seem to be calming down a bit...
So, you can't really explain it then? Even though you said you could?
The one who says he can prove NASA's interpretation of WMAP data is wrong, but really can't do it at all?
Observation always supersedes theory. If you have a different take on the DATA then share it.
Toiea
1.2 / 5 (13) Aug 21, 2014Vietvet
4.6 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014Everything you post is pseudoscience, fantasy and wishful thinking.
Toiea
1 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014Also, as I already explained above, even the statistical analysis of data may be a subject of bias. The zero occurrence of ball lightning doesn't mean very much, if it was deduced from statistical analysis, which zeroed some occasional observations. Therefore the DATA concept is not so straightforward, as one may think.
freethinking
1 / 5 (13) Aug 21, 2014To make a conservative angry, Tell them a lie.
To make a progressive angry, Tell them the truth.
Toiea
1.8 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014The conservatives just tend to believe in opinions already established by tradition (which are usually well proven, but sometimes not). Progressive have false sense of uniqueness, conservatives have a false sense of consensus.
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 21, 2014However that said, let's take a look at some general Conservative ideals, with a caveat that if you are a conservative and someone who says they are a conservative violates those ideals, they should be called out and compare them with Progressive ideals,
Conservative: Honesty, Integrity, ends do not justify the means, people are equal in value, people are smart enough to make their own decisions.
Progressive ideals are, uniformity of the masses, ends justify the means, people need to be lead by enlightened leaders.
So who would you trust more with something you value very much? Someone whom you have seen leading the conservative lifestyle, or someone whom you have observed leading the progressive lifestyle?
Toiea
1 / 5 (9) Aug 21, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (14) Aug 21, 2014freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Aug 21, 2014NOM
4.9 / 5 (13) Aug 21, 2014I (mostly) disagree with your statement:
By your definition Zephir (Toiea... whatever) is just a crank, or stupid. While he is both of those, his number of banned accounts are now well into triple figures. That's troll behaviour.
By your definition ryggesogn2 is just stupid. Again true, but his willful ignorance and use of most the tactics detailed in the article define him as the troll he is.
However, your definition does work for Uncle Ira who is neither stupid nor a crank, but does occasionally behave like a troll (albeit on the side of light).
Toiea
1.3 / 5 (13) Aug 21, 2014NOM
4.6 / 5 (14) Aug 21, 2014Since when have you ever remained "on topic"?
Do you genually think that you aren't a troll?
Toiea
2.7 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014NOM
4.5 / 5 (12) Aug 21, 2014On ratings. The physorg ratings system has spawned its own version of trolls.
The worst example of this was Noumenon. On the surface he merely fitted Eikka's category of "ignorant". But he was eventually caught out with (and eventually admitted to) having at least 50 sockpuppets that he used to uprate everything he posted and to downrate people he disagreed with.
Benni
3.6 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014I'll admit, I was a little more than 2 yrs old when took my first calculus course.
Why do you think you need me to explain it? You're having a problem with Einstein explaining it? Go to a Relativity website & get busy, you don't need to lean on me as the crutch for you're inability to understand General Relativity.
Einstein put forth his GR thesis before the first galaxy was observed beyond our own. His math proved expansion of the universe should exist, also the existence of black holes, at first even he questioned his own premises, today GR is the premise of gravity & energy.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (14) Aug 21, 2014Yes it does.
Especially when AGWites accuse those who are skeptical are in they employ of some corporation.
While the AGWite professionals are employed by the govt and are able to use the power of the state to plunder and coerce, aka 'progressivism'.
Benni
2.7 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014@Modern......and it is this statement by Brown right at the outset that goes to the heart of your premise that WMAP data has been "observed" to prove the universe is "flat & infinite", an oxymoron term which by definition is completely incongruous in etymology, but of course with your math skills you wouldn't know what I'm even talking about, however with your abundance of malicious trolling company on this site, I have no doubt how comfortable you feel denying the language of science.
Do you recognize an "oxymoron" terminology when you read it? Look it up, then come back & try explaining why "flat infinite universe" is not an oxymoron term & troll that around to the praise of so many of the rest of the "hate science" trolls who dominate this site.
Bart R
4.4 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014Look what they did with "Global Dying" within an hour. Galileo, Newton, Feynman are all subverted by the people you're trying to identify. "Propagandist", they turn on its head. They even call what they do "Science". Their tools are lampoon and spoof, Big Lie repetition and their conditions are projection and Dunning-Krueger syndrome.
The term you're searching for is "Nescient". The nescient are attracted to the idea of doubt, uncertainty, one-sided skepticism, feigned hypotheses they then 'confirm' by cherry-picking the data most likely to reflect well on their invalid case, and using fallacious reasoning to bolster their claims. They'll poke holes in better arguments with irrelevancies and focus on noise and the least-good forms of data, in forums stacked to favour their own cheerleaders.
"Nescient".
NOM
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014Da Schneib
3.7 / 5 (12) Aug 22, 2014Benni
1.9 / 5 (17) Aug 22, 2014....another true but colossal blunder you have made on this social networking site dominated by the likes of Modernmystic, Stumpy/Ira, Vietvet, and the rest of the "downvoting science trolls" who outnumber those of us who've seen a lot of differential equations we know how to solve.
.... "cherry picked data" by this bunch all over the place along with threats made by them to ping, hack & phish ISP accounts to shout & shut down the premises of those with a demonstrable background in the most challenging fields of scientific endeavors, to shut down those who would dare raise a dispute with them over their ability to come to a science site & use the language of science but who instead use the language vulgarity & ping hacking threats to shut down scientific discourse.
Modernmystic
2 / 5 (8) Aug 22, 2014It's unfortunate you never took a course in social skills.
I must have incorrectly assumed you apply the same standards to yourself as you do to me. If you don't need to explain it then why all the drama? People like you CAUSE drama because they DO need to prove a point. If it wasn't a big deal you wouldn't have said anything to begin with....but you did.
What this has to do with observation superseding theory I don't know. It was observation that confirmed GR the robustness of GR. It's observation that can show its weakness too, after all it's not religious dogma is it.
(cont.)
Modernmystic
2.6 / 5 (10) Aug 22, 2014And here is where we part ways. You don't want to discuss, you want to bully, call names, and cajole until someone agrees with you without you ever presenting a single argument or giving a single cogent explanation of your position.
Find someone else to work out your issues with. It's very obvious your identity and emotions are inured in this subject and you're over the top intense and defensive about it. I have no time for this level of immaturity. Good luck finding someone who will :)
Modernmystic
1.4 / 5 (10) Aug 22, 2014Patently false.
http://en.wikiped...uthority
"Fallacious examples of using the appeal include any appeal to authority used in the context of logical reasoning, and appealing to the position of an authority or authorities to dismiss evidence,[2][3][4][5] as, while authorities can be correct in judgments related to their area of expertise more often than laypersons, they can still come to the wrong judgments through error, bias, dishonesty, or falling prey to groupthink. Thus, the appeal to authority is not a generally reliable argument for establishing facts.[6]"
It doesn't matter what authority we're talking about at all. It's totally irrelevant to the fallacy.
This is why DISCUSSION and constant re-evaluation is necessary....unless of course you're a cult leader...
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (10) Aug 22, 2014Comments about race from Ben Carson, are I believe, from an expert, and I agree with him for what he says.
It seems to be the 'liberals' who quickly attack any reasonable, or unreasonable, critique of AGWism as not from a 'climate scientist' and when that fails, he/she is a paid shill.
Noam Chomsky is a professional linguist. Why does anyone listen to him as a expert on any other endeavor? They agree with his politics.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (13) Aug 22, 2014you are welcome
i know you don't... but did you read Brown's replies to your posts? did you understand what he wrote?and exactly HOW is that?tl;dr
AND it is off topic... go back to the Nazca thread and troll this comment there
@benni-haha
are you STILL mad about being taught the differences between the PM function and the comment link at the bottom of every page?
you sure do hold a grudge... and usually i include links for proof, unlike a lot of your posts. that is not cherry picking, that is PROVING a point... sorry you can't read or get that. and that you don't know how to combat phishing and read links before you use them
maybe taking some computer classes will help
If you will notice, i upvote LEGIT comments, even from YOU
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Aug 22, 2014actually, some of those "AGWites" as you call them are or were skeptics themselves, for one
for two, you are NOT a skeptic if you IGNORE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, you are a moron, a troll and being blatantly stupid
and lastly, we've been able to PROVE that anti-global warming groups are being employed and paid to sow FUD and try to undermine the science with scientific studies! http://www.drexel...nge.ashx
where is your PROOF, with empirical data showing otherwise? and blogs and opinion sites don't count... conspiracy sites are a dime a dozen... and you are the worst troll ever about THAT crap. all irrelevant links and NO EMPIRICAL DATA
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Aug 22, 2014first off, there is Captain Stumpy, and there is Ira... two separate people.
and it can be proved. but you would rather listen to TROLLS than empirical evidence regarding that... your choice
secondly... you are making claims above without proof or empirical evidence, so that comment is TROLLING, because you cannot prove ANY of it
lastly, I am here for the SCIENCE
i don't care about popularity, only that it is correct and can be proven. I admit when I make mistakes, and i will ridicule people like YOU when you make stupid mistakes but try to blame them on everyone else except yourself (the originator of the mistake)
I will UPVOTE a post based on what I believe it to be> accurate or not.
I've upvoted even you, uba, zephir, and other trolls when I thought it was correct... sorry benni
that post FAILED
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (13) Aug 22, 2014Like DaSchneib said...ALSO... regarding some comments you made about that... appeal to authority is often accused when the person uses a link with studies and empirical data... what then?
especially regarding THIS part I am appealing to the EVIDENCE, not the authority of the link when i use a link. there is a HUGE difference.
so whining about appeal to authority when proved wrong on a subject is only the TROLL or idiots way of backpedaling and trying to save face... deal with it and accept defeat and learn.
baudrunner
1.4 / 5 (11) Aug 22, 2014It's pretty tough to satisfy the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE freaks when they insist there isn't any even after providing link after link, and material evidence after material evidence, and book lists for their reading revelations (they seem to have all the time in the world so why don't they give those books a chance?).
So, what to their minds would constitute EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE of ancient astronauts short of having them land on their roofs and giving them a ride in a flying saucer? Honestly, I would like to know. Doesn't archeological evidence count as EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE?
I swear, the worst trolls here are the people who continue to disparage, critique, and basically lambast the ideas of others. You know who you are.
baudrunner
1.4 / 5 (11) Aug 22, 2014I never get mad at anyone who posts, no matter what they say, merely amused at the enthusiasm with which they respond to what they consider to be off-the-wall ideas. Sure, we can get pretty wacky, it takes all kinds. I'm pretty sure that someday the nay-sayers will eat their hats when E.T. comes a-knockin', mark my words.
Toiea
1 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014When all the media is biased towards AGWism, the only solution are web logs.
After Martin Luther posted his 95 theses and the Bible was printed in a language people could read and understand, the power of the Catholic church dimmed.
With the internet, gatekeeping journals with 'pal' review can, and are being bypassed.
Toiea
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 22, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 22, 2014The govt lies, empirical data:
"TSA Admits Lying About Illegal Aliens Flying Without Proper ID"
http://www.breitb...ar-Forms
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (12) Aug 22, 2014no... the worst trolls are the ones like YOU and zeph that post things that are CONJECTURE and expect others to accept it as proven fact.
no evidence is NO EVIDENCE
if there is no empirical evidence then there is no decision to be made. it is an OPEN question, moron... not PROOF that aliens are here. PERIOD
that is the FALLACY right there... the assumption that given no proof AGAINST something, it MUST be real.
@rygtard
yep. the whole world is biased and out to get you
NSA just messaged us the other day to keep you posting so it is easier to track you
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (12) Aug 22, 2014Wow...
just wow
there is only one problem with that...
when we argue with you about AGW, we use SCIENCE, STUDIES and EMPIRICAL DATA... not government links, sites, or government pronouncements
guess that sinks your conspiracy theory right there...
By the way... NSA told me to tell you to stop posting naked... the girl analysts are getting sick
baudrunner
1 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014http://en.wikiped...roglyphs
Toiea
1 / 5 (8) Aug 22, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014All 'peer' reviewed by those who have stated they will keep dissenting work from being published.
M&M weren't allowed to be published for their critique of Mann.
A US senator forced the NAS to listen to the M&M and NAS agreed with much of their work.
What's great about science is one factual observation can destroy centuries of dogma.
Modernmystic
1 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014Pretending that because they know more than a layman that they are infallible absolutely is a fallacy. I'm honestly (no sarcasm) not understanding how someone who is obviously intelligent can not get such a simple concept. This is non controversial, logical, and widely accepted.
So, anyone trying to sidestep this fallacy is left with two choices;
Either accept that the authorities on logical argument have it correct and your argument is fallacious...using your own premise mind you.
Or that the authorities on logical argument have it wrong and that proves the fallacy correct...and your argument is still fallacious.
Authority (ANY authority) qua authority does not make an opinion a fact, no matter how you look at it.
(cont)...
Modernmystic
1 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014Empirical data is not authority. Interpretation of empirical data by authority can absolutely give a fallacious conclusion. Can it not?
Now, TRY your level damnedest not to get defensive about this. I'm NOT talking about AGW, I'm talking about premises here. This is not personal...
Indeed, if you are appealing to raw evidence I agree. If you're referring to an interpretation then you're not referring to a fact. I think most reasonable people give more weight to such interpretations than not, but anyone who confers the status of FACT to such interpretations is another HUGE difference.
(cont)
Modernmystic
1 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014Nothing is proved by authority. You seem to think of this as more of an argument rather than a discussion and look at it in terms of winning and losing. Quite honestly that's a less mature way of looking at it than other ways. People don't learn by "accepting defeat", you have to convince them, and if you can't well...so what? Does that change reality or your feelings on the issue? If not, then why use such abrasive, defensive, and confrontational terms. Doing so tends to mean that you yourself aren't convinced of your argument and need agreement for reassurance.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 22, 2014You assume AGW is personal? If so, why?
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (16) Aug 22, 2014You keep telling everybody that you are the nuclear-engineer-Skippy as if that means they got to take your word for every thing you say. But you don't say the things like a real nuclear-engineer-Skippy would say. You don't sound like a nuclear-engineer-Skippy.
You keep telling everybody that your ideas are the same as Einstein's like that means your ideas got to be right. Even the not scientist-Skippy like me knows that don't mean much because even the Einstein-Skippy admitted he got a lot stuffs wrong.
Saying the different equations over and over don't mean you really know what they mean or how to do them.
You sound like you are pretending because of what you don't say to go along with what you do say.
mikep608
1 / 5 (7) Aug 22, 2014Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (14) Aug 22, 2014Non Skippy, don't worry about sounding arrogant Cher. But you do sound like you are begging for a silly looking pointy cap to wear.
mikep608
1 / 5 (8) Aug 22, 2014mikep608
1 / 5 (8) Aug 22, 2014most of the "experts" are not experts.
Michael Brown
5 / 5 (12) Aug 22, 2014One interesting misreading of this article (and others I've written) that I've seen online is that I'm claiming amateurs cannot contribute to science, which isn't true. A recent example of amateurs contributing to science is the detection of novae, which I have written about previously for The Conversation. Amateurs can certainly contribute to mainstream science.
What one has to be suspicious of is people with minimal science competency (certain trolls, journalists and politicians) shopping for a small minority of experts whose conclusions happen to suit a particular agenda. If those people cannot evaluate the data and methods, why are they selecting that minority of experts?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014Like, who?
And you have no agenda?
Michael Brown
4.4 / 5 (14) Aug 22, 2014People have their agendas (myself included). I want the most robust science to inform policy.
As noted above, one has to be suspicious of those who cannot evaluate the data and methods, and yet select a tiny minority of experts over a larger number of equally (or more) qualified experts.
Benni
2.3 / 5 (9) Aug 22, 2014.....and what frequently occurs on this site is that those who have evaluated the data(eq, Einstein's GR), found it to be precise (Einstein's GR), are impuned to the point of being threatened by a loud & vulgar gaggle of groupies who can't solve a trigonometric function much less an exercise in calculus.......now this is a group "to be suspicious of".
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Aug 22, 2014What policy?
Do you choose a policy and find the 'science' to support it, or, should quality science determine the facts independent of any policy?
IPCC was created to use 'science' to support policy.
NOM
4.4 / 5 (13) Aug 23, 2014Do you have some sort of reading disorder?
Were you repeatedly dropped on your head as a child?
Have you forgotten to take your meds again?
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (11) Aug 23, 2014not taking anything personal. and I understand your statement, and there is truth to it...
I just don't think that you can assume that the information is incorrect unless you can PROVE it is incorrect. and THAT is the essence of my post.
MANY people argue that links to empirical studies/ etc are not proof, and that the subject is not correct (see zephir argue against daw when i posted links proving aether wrong for proof of that statement) but nowhere is there any evidence of a like type, subjected to the same rigors of the scientific method refuting this either.
THEREIN lies the problem that I have with the comment
UNTIL there is refuting evidence from a like source, empirical and reviewed with the same rigor and using the same processes as the study, then it is simply conjecture and therefore irrelevant as proof.
Captain Stumpy
4.6 / 5 (10) Aug 23, 2014no, i think of it as presenting science and empirical evidence and then everything else. the biggest problem with certain TROLLS is that they cannot recognize empirical evidence in their face (try looking at the Nazca lines story here on PO for proof of that: http://phys.org/n...orm.html )They learn by accepting reality. But anyone who refuses to accept reality deserves scorn and ridicule, IMHO. there is no argument that WILL get through to these people... so at that point, like the Nazca point, it comes down to what can be proven. and links to empirical data can be proven... conjecture and delusional beliefs cannot
and as for some trolls... most of my comments are carefully crafted to elicit a response for my study
its fun
mikep608
1 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014https://www.youtu...ydkWLIkk
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014"So says environmental activist Deirdre Smith of left-wing pressure group 350.org. In an editorial written for Common Dreams ("Breaking News and Views for the Progressive Community"), she claims that it "isn't hard" to link the current tensions in Ferguson, Missouri with global warming.
She writes:
When crisis hits, the underlying racism in our society comes to the surface in very clear ways. Climate change is bringing nothing if not clarity to the persistent and overlapping crises of our time.
"http://www.breitb...nk-again
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014It's a subtle but important point.
Govt funded science gets the answers the govt wants to hear, if they want more funding.
The science behind the Keystone pipeline informed the state to proceed.
"Former Energy Secretary Steven Chu said Monday the decision to approve the Keystone XL oil pipeline is a political one, and not one founded in science."
"Chu served as Obama's Energy secretary from 2009 to last April. He's now a physics professor at Stanford University in California. He won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1997. "
http://thehill.co...olitical
strangedays
4 / 5 (12) Aug 23, 2014It is informative that Ryggy does not understand what the article is saying - and presents it as some kind of example of the evil 'liberal'. To me - it is pretty intuitive to see the connection the author is making. Poor communities are going to have the hardest time responding to natural disasters. Look hard at hurricane Katrina - and see which community felt that impact. So - IF climate change causes an increase in severe weather events - it is surely accurate to understand that minority communities will have the most difficulty responding - due to the established link in the U.S. of poverty and race. The author also makes a good point - in recognizing that there is under representation in the environmental movement of minority groups (I see this myself) - so a neat bit of self evaluation.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014Right.
Why are they poor?
How does forcing the cost of energy higher, which AGWites are doing, make those poor communities less poor?
Increased wealth enables adaptability to climate, earthquakes, floods, ....
Why do AGWites want to make everyone poor?
strangedays
3.7 / 5 (12) Aug 23, 2014Do you ask that question because you really want to know?
Have you done any reading on the issue of institutionalized racism - and the effects it has on poor communities of color? Of course that is only a part of the question - but it would be a good place for you to start - if you were interested in addressing your own bigotry.
strangedays
3.8 / 5 (13) Aug 23, 2014Keep showing your ignorance ryggy. I could give you a thousand links - showing you that renewable energy is going to provide cheap - sustainable energy for our world.
Let me give you a few to start.
http://cleantechn...es-2017/
http://www.greent...att-Hour
http://cleantechn...per-kwh/
http://phys.org/n...oal.html
http://www.triple...7-times/
http://www.fastco...ountries
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014Who has institutionalized racism? 'Liberals'.
Toiea
1 / 5 (5) Aug 23, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014Those who call them 'liberals': democrats, 'progressives', socialists, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, CNN, MSNBC, ...
strangedays
3.5 / 5 (11) Aug 23, 2014I don't see racism as something that either liberals - or conservatives, or any other group are exclusively responsible for. Do you have a lifetime to study imperialism, segregation, economic disparity, slavery, poverty, educational disparity etc? I am not an expert - and don't wish to take up band width on this one. I think your blaming 'liberals' for an issue as complex as institutionalized racism is ridiculous and obvious. Guess you never heard of Strom Thurmond.
I think the solution - which is what I am interested in - lies in bringing economic opportunity to the world. Check out this video to see what is possible - if we can put our childish name calling aside - and bring clean, cheap energy to everyone in the world.
http://www.engine...omy.aspx
You Ryggy are clearly part of the problem - not the solution.
Benni
2.5 / 5 (11) Aug 23, 2014.....and who resort to this manner of commentary when challenged to prove their proficiency in the language of science, below quote from Stumpy:
"ROTFLMFAO
you DO REALISE that if I wanted to steal your info, I would just ping your server and get your internet IP which would give me the ability to go right to your doorstep? Easy since I KNOW your login here AND when you are on
you don't have anything of value to me.
and AGAIN! MORE PROOF that you are not an electrical engineer! LOL
YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT about computers!"
.......even going so far as to make threats to hack another persons IP account, steal personal information for the purpose of phishing. This above quote from C Stumpy & his language is precisely the problem that rules the discourse here at PhysOrg.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014Who supports Affirmative Action (institutional racism)?
Ever hear of Robert Byrd? 'Liberal' senator from WV who was a Grand Dragon in the KKK.
"The Republican base that Steve Israel says is animated by racism, nominated me -- an American of African descent and a great grandson of slaves -- for Lt. Governor of Virginia. They embraced me warmly, treated me respectfully and supported me enthusiastically. The liberal media on the other hand set out to destroy me. My white Democrat opponent was even caught on camera refusing to shake my hand. The new racism is very different in style from the old, but the same in substance. The old racists liked blacks who knew their place and stayed in it. The new racists behave exactly the same, but define our "place" as the Democrat liberal camp."
http://americanthinker.com/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014by E.W. Jackson is the former Republican Nominee for Lt. Governor of Virginia. He is a Marine Corps Veteran, graduate of Harvard Law School, President of STAND, Bishop of The Called Church and Senior Fellow of the Family Research Council.
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (11) Aug 23, 2014you really should add the rest of the conversation into the mix... show people the WHOLE conversation.
I was making a POINT that you are computer illiterate, as well as insignificant and irrelevant.
when you do NOT have the ability to share linguistic verbiage and technical information which is widely available regarding a technical or scientific subject, it is very obvious to those who DO have the ability, as you so repeatedly like to point out regarding differential equations. my comment was pretty much saying to you: "you don't know squat about computers" and anyone who IS computer literate recognizes your illiteracy and inabilities.
IOW - go take some freaking classes and stop being an idiot
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (11) Aug 23, 2014and if you will notice... this is not a threat... this is telling you that you don't know computers...and telling you that it is far easier to get your personal info than you think.
it also pretty much says you are not worth it because you are not able to post legitimate information about a subject that has widely disseminated information that can be EASILY GOOGLED... which makes you look even stupider. that is why it saysand
you really DON'T KNOW SQUAT about computers, and should refrain from trying to make people think you DO know something
again: you cherry pick a quote without context... TROLLING just like the article says above.
benni the TROLL?
Benni
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 23, 2014.......quoted it exactly as you wrote it.
The problem is your mindset, if you're thinking those things, you're wishing you could do them, and you would if you could. You brag that with your computer skills you could do it if you wanted to. The problem is that your braggadocio is not congruent with your computer skills or you'd know that "pinging" ISP's cannot result in the end result you wished you could get, hacking IP accounts. You don't have the computer engineering skills for that, in lieu of which you resort to trolling.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (11) Aug 23, 2014but you left out the context... like i said... present the WHOLE argument... show how stupid you were beingActually, I CAN do them, but why would I bother with you? THAT was my point above, sparky.Pinging is talking to an ISP to establish it is there and then you can establish availability of connection and it can give you a host of information including transfer speed etc...TRAP/TRACE is a method of securing IP addresses, which CAN, in certain circumstances, track to your address (in MY circumstance, you will end up about 80 miles from my laptop IF you get my current IP addy that is used for connection. I have a dynamic IP and I also choose to use other masking agents like TOR to hide my IP from idiots on-line because I know what IS out there
as long as you know a profile and time on line, you can secure its IP
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (10) Aug 23, 2014and this is typical trolling comment trying to entice me into doing what?
snatch your IP address? hack your system? what?
by the way, mr electrical engineer... if you are that good at computers, how come you couldn't tell the difference between a PM on this site and the CONTACT link at the bottom of the page... which is likely where you posted the above conversation from.
Why not post the ENTIRE CONVERSATION showing your own weaknesses? or is that too hard on your ego?
at least I can admit when I make mistakes, benni
all you do is throw around words like "differential equations" like it means something important... it only means that you are mathematically inclined ...so what?
now, given that you still want to play... why NOT PM me at sciforums and/or another site?
take your chance... you are an EE I can't be a threat to YOU
per your "wisdom" above
benni=TROLL
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (10) Aug 23, 2014and just because i wrote it in the same line does NOT mean that it is the same function... now THIS is something that I would expect from someone who does NOT know computers. ASSUMPTIONS about pinging and getting an IP address without knowing what is what and what each function is capable of...
if you will remember, I've also said that I can use trap/trace to get your IP before in another conversation.
and THIS is just what I meant by "YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT ABOUT COMPUTERS"
you know, your local community center or Jr. college has free classes for stupid folk like you to take lessons on the computer and learn a little...
perhaps you should join some classes?
you might just learn something important... like about how to use a firewall? anti-virus?online protection? Symantec?
go LEARN
strangedays
3.3 / 5 (9) Aug 23, 2014Yep - and in his early days he held a position in the KKK. He filibustered the 64 Civil Rights Act, and opposed the 65 Voting Rights Act. Later in life he got a 100% rating from the NAACP.
So- in other words - when younger - he was a conservative, racist bigot - who worked hard to institutionalize racism. Later he became more nuanced - and was seen as more liberal, and friendly towards civil rights.
Thanks Ryggy.
baudrunner
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014AHA! Gotcha. Proof that Cap'n Stumpy is a troll, for baiting the trolls is a violation of posting rules on this forum.
Well, so what. He's right. It *is* fun. I can get him right riled up.
Incidentally, no-one here need fear anybody finding out their IP address. Reboot your machine or click your connection off and back on again, and you get a new IP address automatically. The only computers vulnerable to this type of hacking are the ones that are left on 24/7.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014when he went on national television and repeatedly used the n-word, one
of the most vicious racial slurs in existence, in an appearance on national
television. Byrd uttered the slur on Fox News Sunday with Tony Snow on
March 5, 2001. Despite the appalling nature of the remark, it went largely
ignored by the mainstream media and the self appointed "civil rights" leadership.
Whereas a similar remark by anyone other than a leading Democrat Senator
would assuredly prompt the likes of Jesse Jackson to assemble protest rallies
demanding resignations, the Jackson crowd was eerily quiet following Byrd's
remarks, issuing only low key suggestions that Byrd should avoid making
such bigoted remarks."
Read more at http://www.livele...1Vrhd.99
'Liberals' tolerate racists if they are 'liberal'.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014"Hymies.' 'Hymietown.' -- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail. "
"1) "(Obama's) a nice person, he's very articulate this is what's been used against him, but he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic." -- Dan Rather"
"8) "Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." -- Mary Frances Berry, former Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights"
"11) "Let me see one of you adopt one of those ugly black babies." -- Abortionist Ashutosh Ron Virmani"
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 201421) "I give interracial couples a look. Daggers. They get uncomfortable when they see me on the street." -- Spike Lee"
"23) "We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops. They ought to go." -- Marion Barry"
"Liberals need racist foes to vanquish. Most of the time they have to resort to finding them where they obviously aren't there."
"Most incredible to liberals, however, is our claim that good economic policy (especially when combined with a well-ordered social structure) is actually good for everyone. We're not all jockeying for the same pot of goods. It isn't a zero-sum game. More opportunity for me can mean more prosperity for you, and vice-versa. We can all win."
http://thefederal...-racist/
baudrunner
1 / 5 (4) Aug 23, 2014In fact, racism is fairly new in our history, and its roots lie largely in the Americas. My maternal grandmother's grandfather was black, and she was of stout Dutch stock. Black princes and nobles mingled freely in European culture among the elite before, and during the slave trade era.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 23, 2014"For the first time in American history during a supposed economic expansion, real after tax income fell by -5.9%. "
"Following the supposed recovery beginning in June 2009, real household income for African-American households was worse at -7.7% than the national average. But holders of college two-year Associates Degree have been crushed with real household income down -9.8%. The only households to experience an increase in real income during the period were those 65 and older, who saw an average gain of +5.8%."
" From this analysis, Americans have lost real income gains during an economic recovery for the first time in American history. The worst impacted during the Obama Administration have been his key constituencies of those who are single, with some college education, and African-Americans. "
http://www.breitb...er-Obama
ItsThatGuy
4.3 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014Toiea
1 / 5 (5) Aug 23, 2014Benni
1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 23, 2014You made the threat with this quote:
"I would just ping your server and get your internet IP which would give me the ability to go right to your doorstep?"
No, the "doorstep" rant is about your malicious mindset. The context of your braggadocio is concluded to give the impression you can find my residence. This kind of trolling rhetoric may even be an actionable offense.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 23, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014"
Shortly after the [1992 Los Angeles] riot, I appeared on a radio talk show with Clark Kissinger, a former president of SDS. Kissinger had created a new organization in South Central, Refuse and Resist, to promote the idea that local Crip gangs were revolutionaries battling an oppressive state. On the air, Kissinger was adamant that the looters and burners were social rebels, and that anyone doubting this was a 'racist.'"
Horowitz wrote of the riot that "Two thousand Korean businesses were burned, and fifty-seven people killed – many of them targeted, like the businesses destroyed, simply because they were not black." "
http://www.breitb...nd-riots
strangedays
3.2 / 5 (9) Aug 23, 2014Here - read this quote
"All of this might be of interest only to historians if Strom Thurmond's Republican Party had nothing in common with today's. But it does. When Newt Gingrich calls Obama a "food-stamp president," he is maintaining his party's post-1960s appeals to racism. "
From - http://www.thedai...acy.html
You are not the only one who can quote mine - and my quotes are not ahistorical.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014Why is this racist? Obama has bee pushing to sign up anyone he can on food stamps.
"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- More than one in seven Americans are on food stamps, but the federal government wants even more people to sign up for the safety net program.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture has been running radio ads for the past four months encouraging those eligible to enroll. The campaign is targeted at the elderly, working poor, the unemployed and Hispanics."
http://money.cnn....mps-ads/
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (10) Aug 23, 2014then you are far more illiterate than I supposed. Try re-reading that again in context with everything
BETTER YET, why not provide the WHOLE conversation
BY ALL MEANS... show the WHOLE CONVERSATION IN CONTEXT benni! show everyone EVERYTHING.. or are you afraid of looking bad?
it's not like it isn't easy to find someone on the net... just ask ANYONE with ANY half-way ability... and that means it isn't a threat, moron, it is TRUTHI can see where you would be offended by someone requiring you to produce evidence of your conjecture.
YEP... that is TOTALLY malicious.
that bad ol' Captain making people actually PROVE something...
so flog me
or flog off
or, to coin a phrase from RC
DO BETTER
LOL
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 23, 2014"Commerce is real. . . . Aid is just a stop-gap. Commerce, entrepreneurial capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid. Of course, we know that.
Inquisitr.com reports how Bono followed up:
In dealing with poverty here and around the world, welfare and foreign aid are a Band-Aid. Free enterprise is a cure.
Entrepreneurship is the most sure way of development."
"Bono's organization targets poverty and disease in Africa, but Bono notes that the biggest killer in Africa is the things that allows these to perpetuate: political corruption. "
http://americanvi...italism/
strangedays
3.4 / 5 (10) Aug 23, 2014Because the number of people on food stamps increased more under Bush than it did under Obama. Did you hear Gingrich calling Bush 'the food stamp president?' No you did not - because just like you Ryggy - Gingrich is a member of the racist party.
And under Obama, the increase so far has been 14.2 million. To be exact, the program has so far grown by 444,574 fewer recipients during Obama's time in office than during Bush's.
http://www.factch...p-claim/
Keep dancing troll.
strangedays
3.7 / 5 (9) Aug 23, 2014I agree with Bono - which is why I advocated above for the deployment of renewable energy programs that will bring economic activity to countries around the world.
Of course there is another side to Bono
"Bono, a long-time advocate for the poor, will argue that U.S. government-funded schemes that support life-saving treatments for HIV/AIDS sufferers, nutrition programs for malnourished children, and emergency food aid make up just 1 percent of the U.S. government budget but are helping to save tens of millions of lives in impoverished nations."
Which do you like Ryggy - the free market Bono - or the government intervention Bono? Or perhaps life is complex - and there could be room for both.
http://www.reuter...20121112
Boy what a one dimensional thinker you are.
mikep608
2.6 / 5 (5) Aug 24, 2014thermodynamics
4.6 / 5 (9) Aug 24, 2014First, I agree with you. Second, I just want to be clear that even though I have been through a university (university of Illinois Urbana) major in physics, minors in math and chemical engineering and graduate work in ME (PE) I find a lot of value in Wikipedia. I just want to be sure that your issue is with those who don't value formal education. Not those who look for information in new forms.
For instance, I can use Google as well as Wolfram Alpha to get excellent papers and information. I can use Wikipedia. However, it is my responsibility to make sure they are right.
Toiea
1 / 5 (5) Aug 24, 2014Toiea
1 / 5 (5) Aug 24, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014If a 'liberal' rag would have published the same date, you would have accepted it?
The data:
"Median Household Incomes after the Great Recession: Household Types and Educational Attainment"
http://www.adviso...rt-2.php
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 24, 2014ANY criticism of BHO is because of race?
How racist of you!
It can't be about his narcissism? His incompetence? His unlawful actions?
I judge BHO on the content of his character, not his skin color, like you are.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014"The Sacramento Bee reported that the non-partisan Legislative Analyst's Office calculated that the cap and trade surtax will tack on another 13 to 20 cents in cost for every a gallon of gasoline purchased in the state. "
http://www.breitb...-Auction
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014"The Pentagon broke the law when it swapped Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, a prisoner in Afghanistan for five years, for five Taliban leaders, congressional investigators said Thursday."
http://www.npr.or...ated-law
strangedays
4.2 / 5 (12) Aug 24, 2014The critique was not mine - so stop being stupid. The critique said that when Gingrich called President Obama 'the food stamp president', Gingrich was actually calling up the old racist GOP tactics. I happen to agree with that critique. The support for that critique - was that at the time of the comment - the food stamp program had expanded more under President Bush, than under Obama - but of course Gingrich had not called Bush 'the food stamp president'. That is sound reasoning. Your attempt at excusing your own racism is transparent.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014No it is not. You are racist.
There are many other differences between Bush and Obama besides skin color. Why did you reject all those differences?
BTW, CNN agreed that BHO is pushing food stamps. Are they racist?
strangedays
3.8 / 5 (11) Aug 24, 2014I did not reject any differences. The author of the critique (in my view correctly) asserted that Gingrich was resorting to the old GOP racist language - when calling President Obama 'the food stamp president' This is clearly a dog whistle - and it is not racist of the author of the article to point it out.
Your attempt at excusing your own racism is transparent.
Captain Stumpy
4.9 / 5 (7) Aug 24, 2014I can't answer FOR Strange, but I can answer FOR ME...
NO!
NO RAG is a viable source of information unless you are compiling a database of quotes, and even then I would suggest you stick to the more reputable sources.
even a newspaper (like NYTIMES) is not a source of info regarding SCIENCE
-UNLESS it posts/publishes links/references to a peer reviewed study with empirical evidence from a reputable journal with an impact in the subject matter!
UNTIL it does that, it is NOT proof of anything other than quote mining or irrelevant linking
you know, like YOU do @Strange
that is how a pseudoscience TROLL works
give him the opportunity to post and they will link irrelevant unprovable conjecture from biased sources which are NOT science and claim it proof
and rygtard is the worst at that
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 24, 2014Right.....
Racist 'liberals' need to see racism everywhere and when they can't see it they look for codes. Sounds just like AGWites that see CO2 and the problem for everything.
I provided a nice reference pointing out how 'liberals' hear 'dog whistles'.
" they actually believe that ethnic hatred is an important motivator for conservatives. Some even get frustrated that conservatives have gotten so clever about "coding" our racist messages, hiding them in subtle subtexts that liberal journalists can't easily expose "
http://thefederal...-racist/
Calling BHO the food stamp president is not racist just as calling BHO a socialist is not racist.
Except for racist 'liberals' who excuse BHO because of his race.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 24, 2014http://www.ocregi...dog.html
strangedays
3.6 / 5 (7) Aug 24, 2014I disagree - there is a very clear dog whistle in that kind of language. Many others understand the situation the same way. David Gregory called Gingrich on it - and Gingrich of course pleaded innocent to ever saying anything racist - which Salon points out is patently false.
http://www.salon....esident/
Keep dancing Ryggy.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 24, 2014http://www.ocregi...dog.html
This is the same Steyn being sued by Mann for slander.
Why is Mann so defensive?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 24, 2014Prove it.
"Time's Mark Halperin wrote this week that "Obama can't win if he can't swing the conversation away from the economy." That's a pretty amazing admission. The economy is the No. 1 issue on the minds of voters, and, beyond that, the central reality of Obama's America. But to win the President has to steer clear. That doesn't leave a lot else. Hence, the racism of golf, the war on women, the carcinogenic properties of Mitt Romney. "
strangedays
3.8 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014Can you prove that there is a soul? I am not interested in playing your childish games. The issue of Gingrich's racism has been discussed at length - you draw your own conclusions. It is enough for me that Gingrich used the term for Obama - and not for Bush - despite the fact that the program expanded more under Bush. You draw your own conclusions.
Keep dancing Ryggy.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 24, 2014"What Clinton insisted on, what conservatives they are insisting on, and what Obama is overturning is the work first requirement. That's the heart of it."
http://newsbuster...was-clin
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 24, 2014Not very scientific of you.
Lex Talonis
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 24, 2014I think he and his 12 boyfriends would tend to disagree about the fictional elements of this study.
strangedays
3.3 / 5 (7) Aug 24, 2014We are not doing a science experiment are we? I am very comfortable with the reasoning presented on the issue - this is an issue where there is clearly disagreement - again - it is not a science experiment.
Keep dancing Ryggy.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014Yes, we are.
Dowd is now a racist by 'liberal' logic.
"far-left author Maureen Dowd catches up to a fact shouted by conservative media for years—that President Barack Obama cares more for his own leisure and entertainment than governing the nation or facing difficult issues."
http://www.breitb...-Golfing
Toiea
1 / 5 (4) Aug 24, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014Toiea
1 / 5 (5) Aug 24, 2014strangedays
3.5 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014No we are not - we are discussing a speech made by Gingrich - that is not a scientific experiment - it is very much about opinion. He was called out by many for what were considered racists comments - and others defended him. So NO Ryggy - this is not a scientific experiment. As for your point about Dowd - it is stupid. No one said that if you criticize the president - you are a racist. What is being said is that using terms like 'food stamp president' is using dog whistle language. The food stamp program expanded more under Bush than it did under Obama - but no one called Bush the food stamp president. In my view - Gingrich was using dog whistle language - and many agree with me. There is no doubt that the GOP has a history of poor race relations - and has often used dog whistle language. How is this in any way a scientific experiment?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 24, 2014Yes, that is exactly what 'liberals' are saying.
Lincoln, the first Republican president, was assassinated by a racist.
GOP supported the Civil Rights Act.
"a full 80 percent of the Republican caucus supported it"
"61 percent of Democratic lawmakers voted for the bill "
"two-thirds of Senate Democrats supported the measure "
"an even stronger 82 percent of Republicans supported "
http://www.politi...lls-196/
It demonstrates your irrational racism.
strangedays
3.7 / 5 (9) Aug 24, 2014No one on this board is saying that. YOU were saying that Maureen Dowd must be a racist because she criticized the President. I have never implied that simply criticizing the president equals racism. That is stupid of you to raise the issue. I was very clear - over and over - that calling the President the 'food stamp president' is what was using dog whistle language. The fact that Gingrich never used that term for Bush - who expanded food stamps more than Obama - reinforces the understanding of the dog whistle racism.
strangedays
4.3 / 5 (12) Aug 24, 2014Just grow up Ryggy - just grow up. You throw around a racist term like 'turd world country'. You bring up the issue of race over and over - when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Others call you on your hateful tactics - and now you turn around calling others racist.
Just grow up.
James Love
1 / 5 (6) Aug 24, 2014http://tinyurl.com/mjqktnv http://tinyurl.com/orktnd2
NOM
4.3 / 5 (6) Aug 24, 2014Accusations of cover-ups:
Misquoting experts:
Broken logic:
AGW = progressive
progressive = racist
... actually, nearly everything he posts is an example of broken logic
The Galileo Gambit
I don't think he has pulled this one on this thread yet. Though his whole "racist" attack is getting pretty close.
Rygtard is a textbook troll. So do we nail him down as a classic example, or vivisect him to see why his brain is so messed up?
Urgelt
4.2 / 5 (10) Aug 25, 2014Gotta love the profusion of straw man arguments and broken logic.
Funny, the way cranks and trolls thrive on a site attempting to promote, report on and teach actual science.
Science is having a real hard time reaching out to the public, which is largely (not quite entirely) hostile to the whole thing.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Aug 25, 2014and you learned nothing that wasn't already public knowledge and available with a half-assed search anyway.
it's not like I've ever tried to hide who I was
nothing to hide and i am not afraid of trolls
no TROLL from here has what it takes to visit my place
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 25, 2014there is no relationship. there is no place in science for religion other than to study as a social/cultural construct used for controlling people
RELIGION is about a set of dogmatic rules for controlling people of a certain FAITH... and FAITH is the belief in something WITHOUT PROOF
SCIENCE is the search for knowledge based upon the scientific method, which requires empirical data, repeatable experiments and proven predictions, etc...
there is NO proof in a faith, which is the basis of a religion
there can be NO SCIENCE without proof/empirical evidence
there is a huge difference between the two. so for those "who sincerely seek truth and reasoned inquiry" there can be ONLY SCIENCE as a faith would require the suspension of logic, reason and proof
johanfprins
1 / 5 (7) Aug 25, 2014Guess who stated:
"you are not reasoning but is only being logical"?
"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you do not understand it"
"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real".
Is the latter not flawed logic? Yes it is not just flawed but INSANE logic! And it was uttered by Niels Bohr, who is considered to be THE EXPERT on the interpretation of quantum mechanics: He is obviously believed by the "mainstream experts" since he "he does not understand quantum mechanics"
What amazes me is that mainstream physicists who embrace this absurd logic, are arrogant enough to call other people trolls! The worst trolls I have experienced on the internet have been the self-appointed, so-called "mainstream experts".
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Aug 25, 2014Documentation of AGW cover-ups are readily available.
AGWites and the 'progressive' movement intersect. AGWites chose to use a world govt agency to push their 'science'.
'Progressives'/'liberals' are racists by first promoting and defending institutional racism, Affirmative Action, and by the actions of 'progressives' like Obama and his fellow travelers fanning racial hatred flames.
I will pull the Galileo thread to say he was not an example of an anti-science Church. Also, Galileo is a fine example of how one individual observation can overturn centuries of 'consensus'.
You fear to post your Lat/Long. How can one visit?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 25, 2014"Marohasy has analysed the physical temperature records from more than 30 stations included in the BoM set that determines the official national temperature record.
And she remains disturbed by a pattern whereby homogenisation exaggerates, or even produces, a record of steady warming against a steady or cooling trend in the raw data.
Marohasy says the clearly stated intent of homogenisation is to correct for changes in equipment, siting, and/or other factors that conceivably can introduce non-climatic factors into the temperature record.
"The bureau, however, is applying the algorithms subjectively and without supporting metadata, in such a way that the temperature record is completely altered, despite the absence of evidence that there were any changes in siting, equipment, or any other factor which could have conceivably introduced a non-climatic discontinuity,'' she says."
http://www.thegwp...re-recor
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (9) Aug 25, 2014Ahaahaaahaaa
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 25, 2014"Perhaps this is because this administration and many Democrats in Congress, including Rep. Nancy Pelosi, have told Americans that welfare benefits are a stimulus to the economy (sic). Apparently, the left believes that if every family were on food stamps, the economy would return to its glory days."
"Putting all these programs together, a family can get a package of benefits equivalent to a $35,000 a year job in 11 states, and in Hawaii the benefits can exceed what a $60,000 a year job would offer, according to a Cato Institute analysis."
The feds have also created outreach programs — including radio and TV ads in multiple languages — to encourage people to sign up for the dole because, as one ad put it, this "helps the local community.""
http://news.inves....htm?p=2
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Aug 25, 2014"Surplus wealth is a sacred trust which its possessor is bound to administer in his lifetime for the good of the community." Andrew carnegie
-Of course he didn't mean just giving it to them did he ryggy? No, they had to earn it just like everybody else.
supamark23
3.9 / 5 (7) Aug 25, 2014krauthammer is a worthless lying piece of shit, just like you - no wonder you quote him.
Dug
1 / 5 (6) Aug 25, 2014NOM
4.3 / 5 (6) Aug 25, 2014NOM
5 / 5 (8) Aug 25, 2014Well done johan, an excelent example of both misquoting experts and "broken logic
Toiea
1 / 5 (7) Aug 25, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Aug 25, 2014What a temper!
But, typical when a 'liberal' has no rational reply to the truth.
Not much respect for someone who earned a MD, while paralyzed, at Harvard.
Krauthammer is quite qualified to discuss 'liberal' dog whistles as he was trained as a psychiatrist.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (8) Aug 25, 2014http://www.e-catw...etitive/
-As to em motors thats just hooey.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (8) Aug 25, 2014https://www.youtu...82zEedWw
-The hip break is at 0:39
Toiea
1 / 5 (5) Aug 25, 2014strangedays
3.7 / 5 (9) Aug 25, 2014Now Otto - you promised us over a year ago that Rossi would be revealing the secret sauce in just a few months.
That's OK - November is coming up fast - and then we will have the secret sauce from Dr. Mills - I can't wait...
Boy will I have egg on my face if he really does come through...
Aligo
Aug 25, 2014Aligo
Aug 25, 2014NOM
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 25, 2014There won't be anyone here (except trolls like rygtard, but they never counted anyway) who wouldn't be happy to admit they were wrong. Provided there was some scientifically verified proof.
The same goes for AWT, ESP, god, aliens, Elvis, or even AGW being false.
That's how science works. It takes proof. Real, verifyable, repeatable proof.
But sadly, show the proof and there will be trolls that say it's a coverup, misquote experts, use broken logic and use the Galileo Gambit to deny this proof.
Aligo
Aug 25, 2014NOM
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 25, 2014Aligo
Aug 25, 2014NOM
4.5 / 5 (8) Aug 25, 2014thermodynamics
4.5 / 5 (8) Aug 25, 2014Just to be consistent with my down voting of cold fusion, EU, AWT, and other unsuported pseudoscience, I also down vote Magic.
Michael Brown
5 / 5 (7) Aug 26, 2014No. The relevant documentation from the 17th century shows that interpretation of the bible was central to Galileo's prosecution. Galileo's confrontational style didn't help, but wasn't the main reason for his prosecution by the 17th century Catholic Church. Galileo had a number of pieces of evidence for the heliocentric model during the 1610s, including retrograde motion and the phases of Venus.
A number of books provide translations of the relevant 17th century documents (e.g., The Essential Galileo). A useful introduction is also available from the Vatican Observatory http://vaticanobs...o-affair
antialias_physorg
4.6 / 5 (11) Aug 26, 2014Post an article about it and get handed enough reserach material for 5 more.
Well played, sir. Well played.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 26, 2014Science is best at disproving, not proving.
Jixo
Aug 26, 2014antialias_physorg
4.4 / 5 (9) Aug 26, 2014Well, Zeph: Supported by someone is not the same as supported by evidence. The latter trumps the former. And currently no one has a working demonstrator open for peer review for any of these.
LQG is a theory (among several). They don't claim it to be true or proven. The people working on it are in the stage of trying to figure out how it might be tested. That's the scientific method.
The other crew that is pushing the pseudoscience crap are saying that it IS true anmd has already been tested (without anyone having a workable demonstrator)
The distinction between science and pseudoscience is quite easy.
You just have to map it onto snake-oil salesman.
Does someone make an unsupported claim that something is proven? Pseudoscience.
Does someone put forth a hypothesis and a way it may be tested? Science.
Jixo
Aug 26, 2014Jixo
Aug 26, 2014Jixo
Aug 26, 2014antialias_physorg
4.2 / 5 (10) Aug 26, 2014Such as?
Some things make good predictions and those predictions have been verified. Those things are useful (until a better theory comes along...which may or may not change the usefulness of the former theory. Newtonian gravity theory is still pretty useful in many areas even though it has been supplanted by Einsteinian gravity).
There is no 'belief' in abstract stuff like LQG. It's just one interesting avenue of research because it is internally consistent and will be testable. If it fails it will be discarded. So what? Cold fusion was 'mainstream' for a while. It failed and got discarded. Happens all the time in science.
Funny how no demonstrators exist, though, isn't it? The claim of "repeatedly confirmed" isn't quite true. To be exact: it's completely false.
Whydening Gyre
3.9 / 5 (7) Aug 26, 2014Anybody see The Schneib's version of this in another thread? About the unfortunate use of certain names in his writings that pissed off the pope...
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.2 / 5 (10) Aug 26, 2014Jixo
Aug 26, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
2.4 / 5 (10) Aug 26, 2014And just at the time when we might need decentralized power and new energy sources that can power tech like VASIMR and robotics, these alternatives suddenly show promise again. And they ARE showing promise which is obvious to those who are not too afraid or too self-absorbed to look.
'There is a proper Time for everything under the sun.' No tech before it's Time. The People who run this world are not stupid you know.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 26, 2014"The National Science Foundation is financing the creation of a web service that will monitor "suspicious memes" and what it considers "false and misleading ideas," with a major focus on political activity online."
http://freebeacon...twitter/
antialias_physorg
4.5 / 5 (10) Aug 26, 2014Yeah - you just link to the sites that make the claims and voice agreement. Much better, that.
If it gets funding it's mainstream. It got quite well funded for a number of years because it was rather interesting/promising at the time. Didn't work out. End of story. Next.
What has the need to do with whether a tech is real or not? We need fiary dust, too. Doesn't mnake it any more real.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 26, 2014""Truthy" claims to be non-partisan. However, the project's lead investigator Filippo Menczer proclaims his support for numerous progressive advocacy groups, including President Barack Obama's Organizing for Action, Moveon.org, Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Amnesty International, and True Majority."
Jixo
Aug 26, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (9) Aug 26, 2014"Remote viewing was popularized in the 1990s upon the declassification of certain documents related to the Stargate Project, a $20 million research program that had started in 1975 and was sponsored by the U.S. government, in an attempt to determine any potential military application of psychic phenomena. The program was terminated in 1995 after it failed to produce any useful intelligence information..."Disruptive tech has the potential to affect national security will not be allowed to proliferate. This is he reason for agencies such as:
"The Disruptive Technology Office (DTO) was a funding agency within the United States Intelligence Community."
Captain Stumpy
4.6 / 5 (9) Aug 26, 2014nope.
if it is proven with empirical data and repeated experimentation and then VERIFIED by a second party experimentation producing the same results before it can be "accepted"
BIG DIFFERENCEfallacy and not logical, this is YOUR PERSONAL opinion and not supported by FACTSagain, YOUR PERSONAL OPINION based upon conspiracy and fallacious arguments
antialias_physorg
4.6 / 5 (10) Aug 26, 2014No. That doesn't follow. Even things that get funded need to show that they pan out. There are several (mutually exclusive) theories out there in a number of fields. That they get all researched doesn't mean they all will be accepted.
Current knowledge isn't complete (far from it), so there is plenty of room for internally consistent - yet competing - theories.
The US doesn't control world research. If the US government wants to keep its citizen under control then that's their business. US citizens seem quite happy with this approach.
However, until the US enacts a travel ban on researchers their chance of actually pull this off - even on domestic science endeavours - is nil.
Aligo
Aug 26, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Aug 26, 2014The academic community is an international community. The economic community is an international community. Funding will not be provided for the development of tech which would endanger global economic stability. Nothing is going to be allowed to cause this civilization to collapse.
The superpowers were created specifically to control the development of dangerous tech - nukes for one.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (9) Aug 26, 2014We could use our imagination to speculate what might have happened if celestial navigation and related tech had been used to establish independent trade with the mesoamerican civilizations; and we might then speculate that this tech was suppressed by the church during the middle ages until the tech needed to destroy these civilizations was developed.
Michael Brown
4.5 / 5 (8) Aug 26, 2014"Simplicio" definitely didn't help Galileo's cause, but that character was invented for "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems" which was published well after Galileo's first trial.
A entertaining introduction to the Galileo affair is online at
http://www.newyor...moon-man
Aligo
Aug 26, 2014strangedays
4 / 5 (11) Aug 26, 2014Oh you did too Otto. There was a big discussion on the e-cat - it was a year ago in April I think - and you said something like 'we will know within 2 or 3 months for sure if Rossi has something or not.
What is the projected date now on being able to buy an e-cat?
That is OK though. We are on to Mill's hydrinos - and we will know by November. I am waiting with great anticipation.....
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 27, 2014Still, despite historic levels of Americans now dependent on welfare, and with the middle class poorer now than it was in 1984, Obama continues to claim that his economic policies have made things better. "
http://www.breitb...In-a-Row
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.9 / 5 (9) Aug 27, 2014For instance you can't claim that they can't answer questions they've already answered, whether their answers are valid or not. You've got to review their answers and address them. And no I'm not going to copy/paste them here for you. Why should I?Im sure it's on his website somewhere. You can also check this site for info
http://www.e-catworld.com
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 27, 2014"Science advisers are ultimately creatures of politics. They serve at the pleasure of politicians. As part of government they are responsible for supporting policy implementation, just like any political appointee or civil servant. By virtue of their position, they do not have free rein to opine."
"In theory, advisory bodies that sit further from government, like the National Research Council and the Royal Society, could play a role as a fair-minded arbiter of scientific questions, or even as honest brokers of policy options. But in recent years, such bodies have too often chosen to participate as advocates in political debates, seeking to throw the weight of their authority behind one side or another."
http://www.thegua...-brokers
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 27, 2014{EXCEPT for AGW, of course}
And when we find they are — even if it's just a single piece of evidence that points the way — whole new fields of research can open up."
https://medium.co...361f89fc
johanfprins
1 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2014thermodynamics
4.1 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2014So, you are equating "fudging" with "renormalization." Can you please provide a peer reviewed paper that says that renormalization is the same as fudging?
Since we don't understand quantum space-time we are constrained to making sense out of infinities. Renormalization allows us to do that. Just because you don't understand it does not make it wrong. In the future it might be replaced with a more complete approach, but in the mean time, it allows us to make meaningful and experimentally verified calculations in both QM and QCD.
Jixo
Aug 28, 2014Jixo
Aug 28, 2014Jixo
Aug 28, 2014johanfprins
1 / 5 (8) Aug 28, 2014ONLY a certifiable idiot will try and make "sense" out of infinites. When you strike infinities it is mathematics telling you that your theory and/or model is WRONG!!! This has always been the case.
You just stated that YOU also do not understand it: In fact, nobody with a sane mind will even contemplate to follow this absurd route!
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (10) Aug 28, 2014"Hot on the heels of the Father Flannery affair (silenced for denying the priesthood) comes the next strange story involving an Irish priest. Now it's the turn of Fr Thomas Brodie, who has taken unorthodoxy a step further by suggesting that Jesus never existed, and has resigned as director of the Dominican Biblical Institute in Limerick, which he helped set up. Whether voluntarily or otherwise, isn't clear."
johanfprins
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 28, 2014johanfprins
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 28, 2014And the church's journals allowed them to publish this after peer review?? He asked for a peer reviewed manuscript, not whether such people exist!
Jixo
Aug 28, 2014NOM
4.5 / 5 (8) Aug 28, 2014From the wikipedia article on the current ebola outbreak:
NOM
4 / 5 (4) Aug 28, 2014Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 28, 2014one more reason to keep up the fight here and get rid of the idiot trolls!
WOW!
that was some read!
THANKS for the post NOM
SCARY... I can see some of the idiot trolls here supporting the morons "freeing patients" ...
because even their unsupported non-empirical debunked view deserves to be heard and they should be considered every bit as relevant as empirical science...
right Zeph?
right cd?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 28, 2014"The Christ myth theory is the proposition that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, or if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity and the accounts in the gospels. Many proponents use a three-fold argument first developed in the 19th century that the New Testament has no historical value, there are no non-Christian references to Jesus Christ from the first century, and that Christianity had pagan and/or mythical roots.
"In recent years, there have been a number of books and documentaries on this subject. Some "mythicists" concede the possibility that Jesus may have been a real person, but that the biblical accounts of him are almost entirely fiction"
http://en.wikiped...h_theory
-Lots of theologians listed.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.3 / 5 (9) Aug 28, 2014"In parallel with these 'common experience' definitions based on the study of peer review as a pre-constructed process, there are a few scientific understandings of peer review that do not look at peer review as pre-constructed. Hirschauer proposed that journal peer review can be understood as reciprocal accountability of judgements among peers. Gaudet proposed that journal peer review could be understood as a social form of boundary judgement - determining what can be considered as scientific (or not) set against an overarching knowledge system, and following predecessor forms of inquisition and censorship..."
http://en.wikiped...r_review
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.8 / 5 (13) Aug 28, 2014-Yeah they did this with the polio outbreak as well. But I have a theory about this particular break-in... Fundy terrorists want to strike a blow against their western enemies. They think that ebola can be effective if introduced at multiple entry points on US soil.
And so they break into this clinic in search of blood samples, or actual patients, whom they can use to infect jihadis who would then board flights from neutral countries and land at various airports around the US.
They might plan to meet up with domestic terrorists who would then infect themselves and head for large sporting events, transportation hubs, etc to spread the message of allah through death and disease.
So does this make me a troll?
NOM
4.7 / 5 (7) Aug 28, 2014Captain Stumpy
4.9 / 5 (8) Aug 29, 2014nope.
this makes you smart and shows that you can think like a terrorist does...
I can see terrorists trying this, too. They have already tried to steal the virus as well as kidnap people capable of making it (& also trying to educate some of their own to make it or turn others capable of making it)
and again, just like you point out... it is religion pushing this issue.
very cogent post, Ghost
you should work for Homeland
johanfprins
1 / 5 (8) Aug 29, 2014You are again missing the point as you usually do with your low IQ. Show me a publication on this topic that was PEER-REVIEWED and allowed through by the theologian's peers who are in charge of accepted Christian churches.
johanfprins
1 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2014The latter is so damn obvious that it is mind-boggling that anonymous reviewing is allowed. Any system that can be abused WILL BE ABUSED! Anonymous "peer"-review is designed to be abused and IS being abused.
strangedays
4.2 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2014No scientific evidence is given to support any connection between this virus outbreak - and 'illegal aliens'. The fact that the closest border is around 800 miles is not mentioned.
The attempt here is clearly to whip up bad feeling towards 'aliens' - or in other words people of color.
Nice example of trolling of the worst kind - very germane - and instructive for us. Thanks Ryggy.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2014"The Obama Administration remains tight-lipped about the location of illegal immigrant children it has moved around the country.
Last week, the Department of Defense released information about three locations being used to house the children coming across the border. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has begun using Naval Base Ventura County, Calif., Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland, Texas, and Fort Sill, Oklahoma, to house the "unaccompanied alien children,""
"The Education Department said it is investigating 14 schools or districts for possible violations since 2011. They are in Arizona, Colorado, the District of Columbia, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina and Virginia. There were four complaints against Kansas City, Kansas, Unified School District 500."
http://www.sandus.../5613486
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (11) Aug 29, 2014http://youtu.be/O_j9uKBmUEk
I would rather be good than original. I only offer a scenario of how it might happen today, and some possible evidence that includes real-world events.
Don't worry - if it's inevitable then it cannot be allowed to happen by itself. Any such attack would necessarily be Planned and Orchestrated so that it does not endanger critical infrastructure. It would necessarily be Constructive rather than destructive; simply because it CAN be, and so it must.
Bin laden was a western Operative. ISIS is obediently herding large numbers of hapless young hotheads into collection areas for disposal, in similar fashion.
Hail Empire.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 29, 2014"It is enterovirus 68. The doctor says it's well-known around the world, but cases have not been seen in Kansas City before."
http://fox4kc.com...ro-kids/
strangedays
4.3 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2014The key point was very obvious. There is no scientific evidence presented in your Fox News article at all. The connections between people coming across the US border - and this respiratory outbreak are NONEXISTENT. The key point was a blatant example of trolling. No scientific evidence presented whatsoever. Pure racist scaremongery. Nice job Ryggy.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2014The catholic doctrines of the real presence of Christ at the Eucharist, payment for indulgences, and the idea that god has a mother, have failed to pass peer review in most Protestant churches. The rejection process led to a reduction in the population of germany by 1/3 in the 1600s.
Academic peer review is somewhat more reserved. I provided you a ref which is full of this sort of review, which is the only kind that matters.
strangedays
3.5 / 5 (11) Aug 29, 2014"The six clusters of respiratory illness associated with HEV68 described in this report occurred in Asia, Europe, and the United States during 2008–2010."
http://www.medsca...e/751032
Oh - but let's blame the 'aliens' coming across our southern border - with NO scientific evidence.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2014http://www.ncbi.n...5166761/
"In summary, these cases represent a potential infectious disease hazard of illegal immigration."
strangedays
3.7 / 5 (12) Aug 29, 2014Do you see the words "this respiratory outbreak" Otto. Shit - to paraphrase your own words - you say some stupid things. Your article did not say which country it was looking at. It was about - viral myocarditis. Shit Otto - it can be depressing to see the level of scientific ignorance displayed here sometimes. Ryggy was talking about HEV - 68 in Kansas City, MO. And you respond with an article about viral myocarditis, - in an unamed location.
Want to advertise your stupidity and scientific illiteracy any further?
johanfprins
1 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2014Academic review of modern physics is at the moment more dogmatic and absurd than any religious review has EVER been At least in the churches the peers did not hide behind anonymity when they screwed other people.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 29, 2014It's easy since NO one is screening illegal immigrants. No evidence because no one is looking. A very convenient excuse.
AGWites claim precaution to justify their call for more 'govt action', but with thousands of unscreened illegal aliens streaming across the borders, from all over the world, AGWite 'liberals' are not worried. 'Liberalism' must be a mental disorder.
Immigrants at Ellis Island were screened for disease and many sent back.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Aug 29, 2014"government-contracted security force is threatening to arrest medical personnel at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, if they reveal information about the rampant disease among the illegal migrants at the facility. "
"The counselor reports that measles, chicken pox, strep throat, lice, and scabies are pandemic in the camp; moreover, she warns that many of the children and young people have severe psychological and emotional problems.
Yet it gets even worse. A former camp nurse told Starnes that the facility was being inundated with migrants to an extent where it was impossible to control the disease."
http://www.thenew...-to-jail
barakn
4.1 / 5 (11) Aug 29, 2014First isolated in California in 1962. It's an American virus, asshole. Go take your racist rants to some other forum.
SaulAlinsky
4.2 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2014I showed you an example of professionals who have documented at least one example of contagion spread by illegal immigrants. Why do you consider it so far-fetched that ryggys disease (no not dementia) could have entered this country in a similar fashion?
And save your vitriol for when I actually say something stupid. Which is never.They dont know the origin. It is identical to eurasian strains.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2014"This has created a "severe and dangerous" crisis, says the Georgia lawmaker, Phil Gingrey. Most of the Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) are coming from Central America and they're importing infectious diseases considered to be largely eradicated in this country. Additionally, many of the migrants lack basic vaccinations such as those to prevent chicken pox or measles, leaving America's young children and the elderly particularly susceptible, Gingrey reveals."
"The administration has worked hard to keep that information secret, though some of it is slowly leaking out. One major news station reports that tuberculosis is spreading at the camps..."
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 29, 2014"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error"
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2014What is racist about controlling borders?
Obama is racist, by that definition, as his regime wants to keep businesses, like Burger King, from escaping high US corp tax rates. Borders, rule of law, etc. DO matter to 'liberals' when anyone tries to leave to avoid being 'raped' and plunder by the Obama regime.
johanfprins
1 / 5 (8) Aug 29, 2014And in modern physics we have that Peter's name has become Niels Bohr!
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (11) Aug 29, 2014"Intelligence officials have picked up radio talk and chatter indicating that the terrorist groups are going to "carry out an attack on the border," according to one JW source. "It's coming very soon," according to this high-level source, who clearly identified the groups planning the plots as "ISIS and Al Qaeda." An attack is so imminent that the commanding general at Ft. Bliss, the U.S. Army post in El Paso, is being briefed, another source confirms. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) did not respond to multiple inquiries from Judicial Watch, both telephonic and in writing, about this information."
http://www.nation...southern
"Democrats are more afraid of global warming than the threat posed by the Islamic State terrorists, according to a new Pew Research Center poll."
http://www.breitb...han-ISIS
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (11) Aug 29, 2014http://www.breitb...han-ISIS
" The information on the laptop makes clear that its owner is a Tunisian national named Muhammed S. who joined ISIS in Syria and who studied chemistry and physics at two universities in Tunisia's northeast. Even more disturbing is how he planned to use that education:
The ISIS laptop contains a 19-page document in Arabic on how to develop biological weapons and how to weaponize the bubonic plague from infected animals.
The ISIS laptop contains a 19-page document in Arabic on how to develop biological weapons and how to weaponize the bubonic plague from infected animals.
"The advantage of biological weapons is that they do not cost a lot of money, while the human casualties can be huge," the document states. "
www.foreignpolicy.com
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 29, 2014"Mexico has recently launched its largest crackdown of illegal migration in decades, and it is yielding major results. Reports say their efforts have dramatically cut down the number of children and families making it across the border."
http://www.breitb...migrants
Mexicans are racist?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2014freethinking
1 / 5 (12) Aug 29, 2014So many are on here are parroting nothing more than Democrats talking points and they all seem to be in lock step from post to post.
strangedays
4.2 / 5 (12) Aug 29, 2014You are a racist. No one has said we should not control the border. Your racism is in dropping a clearly racist little post - that has nothing to do with the topic of this article. You posted an article about a viral outbreak (HEV 68) in Missouri - and then tried tying that outbreak to 'illegal immigrants' crossing the border. It is clearly to scientific for you to understand that in order to make THAT connection - one would need to have data.
Once again - you go totally off topic - to expose your underbelly of racism. Others noticed also. Why don't you wise up - and keep that garbage to yourself.
strangedays
3.8 / 5 (12) Aug 29, 2014So I think that you are saying that it is a democratic talking point to oppose blatantly racist trolling. Interesting perspective there.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2014How is this racist?
Illegal aliens from all over the world, including Muslims from ISIS, are crossing the southern border, with the permission of the Obama regime and his fellow travelers.
But when anyone demands the border be controlled, 'liberals' like strange cry 'racist'.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2014Is this why 'liberals' cry racist so often?
"A care worker, who worked at children's homes from 2003-2007, told the BBC men would arrive almost "every night" to collect girls, who escaped using a range of methods and were then usually driven off in taxis.
The carer, who wished to remain anonymous, claimed staff were reluctant to intervene in some cases for fear of being classed as "racist"."
"The inquiry team noted some council staff feared being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men"
http://www.bbc.co...28974336
strangedays
4 / 5 (12) Aug 29, 2014Perhaps you really are that dumb, as well as racist - so I will play along anyway.
This thread was about trolls. Out of the blue - you post a comment about a virus outbreak in Missouri. There is no earthly reason why you would have posted that comment - other than to stir up discord. That comment was totally off topic. The racist part of it - was that the article then goes on to try to connect the virus outbreak - with 'illegal aliens' (code for brown people) coming across our southern border. Well - there was no connection at all to be made between these two events - which makes the article racist scaremongery - and therefore your posting of that article - in such an off topic way - exaclty that. Why don't you keep that garbage to yourself.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Aug 30, 2014"the appalling revelations from Rotherham, a drab town in South Yorkshire in which over the course of a decade and a half some 1,400 girls (as young as 11) were "groomed", drugged, raped, traded and, occasionally, doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight. All the while, the entire apparatus of the state, from the political class to the police to the "child protection" agencies, looked the other way - for fear of appearing "racist" or "Islamophobic". "http://www.steyno...-manners
Not my code. YOUR code. If it's YOUR code, that's racist.
Illegal aliens crossing the US southern border are from all over the world and is well documented. For example,Chinese are smuggled across and wind up working in Chinese restaurants.
johanfprins
1 / 5 (8) Aug 30, 2014No you are the failure who cannot see that when a system can be abused it will be abused. That is human nature; no matter what your religion is!
Just as anonymity on these internet-forums is being abused on a daily basis by people like you!
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Aug 30, 2014'Liberal' AGWites are so worried about climate change, but totally stupid of the many other risks that will kill them much faster.
I say stupid because they choose to stay ignorant and not address more immediate risks and mitigation of those risks. And what's worse, the apparent motivation for such stupidity is the fantasy of political power.
Stupid 'liberals' in South Yorkshire enabled the rape and abuse of hundreds of girls.
Stupid 'liberals' refuse to control the US borders allowing the diseased, the violent and the criminal to create mayhem. All to build a perceived political underclass for 'liberals' to control.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014"KS Wyandotte County 53"
http://www.acf.hh...y-county
"Hospitals first saw unseasonal breathing difficulties, coughing, wheezing and fever in children in early to-mid August. They have since linked the symptoms to the enterovirus 68. "
http://kcur.org/p...ity-kids
For the 'liberal' it's politically incorrect to even consider doing a study to determine if the virus is from illegal immigrants.
Anyone who points out the correlation is 'racist'.
Not very scientific.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014"College students from West Africa may be subject to extra health checks when they arrive to study in the United States as administrators try to insulate campuses from the worst Ebola outbreak in history."
http://www.breitb...3fd8d7c9
strangedays
4 / 5 (12) Aug 30, 2014Just shut up - the only reason you posted an article about a viral outbreak in MO, on a thread about trolling was to stir up discord. YOUR tactics are totally transparent, and you have engaged in this kind of racist trolling multiple times. Now you spam the thread with other comments - that basically are saying - 'look, I'm not racist - see - they are racist'.
No Ryggy - YOU are racist. That is your business - but we can at least ask you to keep that garbage to yourself - or people will call you out on it.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Aug 30, 2014No.
It is an example of using science. I observed the story about an unusual virus affecting children in KC and observed how the govt is not screening children crossing the border and are actively dispersing those children all over the USA. Including in KC.
Communicable disease is a real threat that those who claim to love science don't seem to care about, Especially if it is politically incorrect.
It is also an experiment to see how Pavlovian the 'liberals' are on this site. Results: Pavlovian.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014SaulAlinsky
5 / 5 (10) Aug 30, 2014strangedays
4.3 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014No it is not. You provided no support for the claim that there is any relationship between people coming across the border - and an outbreak of a respiratory virus in MO. Science is not done by conjecture - it uses evidence. However - the bigger point is that your comment was totally off topic. It was an example of trolling. Dropping an inflammatory off topic comment out of nowhere. That is trolling - not science. Making it a comment that is designed to stir up racist sentiment makes it even worse.
Look at how many people recognize the racism of your strategy. Keep that garbage to yourself.
Oh - now you are a researcher - trying to identify the liberals - on a science web site. Keep that garbage to yourself too - that is also called trolling.
ryggesogn2
1.1 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014That's how science begins. Making observations and correlations.
Another data point demonstrating the Pavlovian nature of 'liberals'.
Science is not mob rule.
You and other 'liberals' cry 'racism' with no basis for such an assertion. Except this is the default 'liberal' response.
The mayor of Lynn, MA , a 'liberal' is being accused or racism for wondering how the taxpayer can support dozens of illegal alien children dumped into their school system.
"Undocumented immigrants from Guatemala pretending to be children to enroll in Massachusetts public schools: mayor "
http://www.nydail....1921185
strangedays
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014Oh - but you just happened to forget the next bit right? The development of experimentation, and data to validate your hypothesis. That is what takes conjecture - and turns it into science. You just participated in race baiting conjecture. 'Oh look - there is an outbreak of a respiratory virus in MO - I wonder if that could be related to 'illegal immigration' of those brown people coming across our southern border (nudge nudge wink wink).
I think maybe you are right Ryggy. Maybe liberals are more likely to point out racism when they see it than Conservatives are. Maybe liberals do respect civil and human rights more than Conservatives - and demand certain standards of all people. Not too many liberals at Westboro Baptist are there Ryggy? http://www.bet.co...rch.html
strangedays
4.2 / 5 (10) Aug 30, 2014The basis of the assertion - on this thread - has been explained very clearly. The fact that you choose to ignore that basis - is of course predictable.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Aug 30, 2014Kennedy also claimed the cost of educating the overage students was putting serious strain on Lynn's public purse.
And, with federal government not revealing whether they will be reimbursed for the increased outlay, she said it was hitting the blue-collar factory town of 90,000 people hard."
http://www.nydail....1921185
I missed it.
strangedays
3.9 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014I know you did. The rest of us did not.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014How is it racist to want illegal immigrants to be deported and for legal immigrants to be screened for communicable disease?
strangedays
3.8 / 5 (10) Aug 30, 2014Nobody said it is. The explanation of how what YOU did is racist - is above. Count back about 7 comments - and stay on topic - it is about how your off topic troll baiting comment is racist - nothing else. I am sure you will miss it yet again - and try to keep moving the goal post.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2014Again, how is speculating that illegal immigrants could have introduced EV-68 to KC racist?
It is obvious the federal govt will not dare associate any communicable diseases with illegal immigration. And have even threatened doctors if they discuss it.
We see what happened in England to those who witnessed abuse of teen girls by 'Asians' and were afraid to speak out for fear of being called racist.
Is 'liberalism' a suicide pact?
strangedays
3.8 / 5 (10) Aug 30, 2014Already explained 100 times Ryggy - just stop playing dumb. No evidence whatsoever was presented to link the two events. EV-68 is a respiratory virus - that was found in Europe, and Asia - not South America. KC is 800 miles away from the Mexican border. It is pure race baiting speculation. "Oh - I wonder if the viral infection in KC could be linked to poor brown people coming across our border with Mexico. wink wink.' Again - NO scientific connection was made between the two events. How many times does one have to answer the same question? What you engaged in was purely speculative - non scientific - race baiting. Now just stop it.
strangedays
3.8 / 5 (10) Aug 30, 2014http://www.msnbc....ring-not
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014Illegal immigrants walking across the souther border are from all over the world.
"Border Patrol union officials in the Rio Grande Valley Sector tell National Review Online that they've noticed a recent uptick in the number of Chinese border crossers. "
""hundreds" of OTM illegal aliens from special interest countries from countries including Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan, Cuba, Brazil, Ecuador, China, Russia, Yemen, Albania, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan have been apprehended in the South Texas region alone since September 11, 2001. "
http://usgovinfo....iens.htm
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014http://www.judici...ine-flu/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014""I would also like information on what is being done to protect border patrol agents who come in contact with these diseases, what decontamination efforts are taking place, and what is included in medical screenings of the children."
The administration has worked hard to keep that information secret, though some of it is slowly leaking out. "
http://www.judici...ine-flu/
You mean ding-ding?
That's the sound of Pavlov's bell which triggers 'the racist drool' from 'liberals'.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014"The Border Patrol is being threatened with lawsuits and firing if they disclose this," he said. "Congressmen are being turned away from the border as they go to investigate this surge of infected illegal aliens being thrown across the border at us."
Speaking to his critics, Savage pointed to his academic qualifications.
"It's easy for you to say I'm simply an alarmist or a racist, I'm a this-ist or a that-ist," he said. "Well you've got it all wrong. The only "ist" I am is an epidemiologist. I am not a racist. I am not an alarmist. I am an epidemiologist by training.""
Read more at http://www.wnd.co...LkXhS.99
strangedays
4 / 5 (8) Aug 31, 2014strangedays
4.1 / 5 (9) Aug 31, 2014No - I mean wink wink - slap slap - that is the sound of the racist hatemongers - who are slapping each other on the back - because they have succeeded in demonizing little children - and stirring up racist scaremongery.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014How?
The topic is debating science and troll, like strange who resort to invective instead of discussing the topic.
1) The US govt is allowing and enabling thousands of illegal immigrants from all over the world to enter the country with no medical screening.
2) The US govt threatens doctors and border patrol agents if they discuss the medical conditions of the illegal immigrants.
3) If EV-68 is the result of illegal immigrants, the govt will not likely release that information and doctors will fear to even look.
4) Political fear motivated responsible authorities to ignore the rape and abuse of children in UK by Muslims.
Maybe EV-68 is not from illegal immigrants, but if it is, there is no motivation on the part of the state, or science, to know, motivation for science to hear no evil and see no evil.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 31, 2014"In one study of fairly affluent kids in an Ohio suburb, Riley reports that researcher John Ogbu, a Nigerian-born anthropologist and Berkeley professor before his death in 2003, found that "black kids readily admitted that they didn't work as hard as whites, took easier classes, watched more TV and read fewer books."
But, of course, the major problem in the black community that accounts for so much of the disparity in achievement and criminal behavior is that more than seven in 10 black children are born to single women and will spend much of their lives with no father present.
If we want to have an honest conversation about race, we need to begin here. Riley is not afraid to confront this issue or any other. "
http://nypost.com...on-race/
What do 'liberals' fear?
Aligo
Aug 31, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (8) Aug 31, 2014"Found: The Islamic State's Terror Laptop Of Doom
http://www.foreignpolicy.com 08/28/14 06:06 PM ET
Buried in a Dell computer captured in Syria are lessons for making bubonic plague bombs and missives on using weapons of mass destruction."
-Bubonic plague is easy to treat. Bombs are easy to detect. Ebola and other infections are untreatable and people infected with them are often hard to detect. I'm sure that ISIS is not too stupid to know this. They are also wealthy enough to set up labs for tinkering with germs to make them even worse.
Plenty of human bombs out there willing to stroll across our porous borders with Allah in their hearts and pandemic in their guts.
strangedays
4.1 / 5 (9) Aug 31, 2014Correct. The topic is not immigrants coming across the border - and assertions that they caused an outbreak of HEV-68 in Missouri.
How can you not understand that simple concept? Dropping racist little troll bait like that on a science thread - tells everyone you are a troll, and a racist one at that. See Aligo (and numerous others) comment above. Just stop it.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014You are way more than two-faced jigga.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 31, 2014Not just the USA.
Australia, Mexico, EU, UK are all having problems with illegal immigration and people who are concerned being called 'racist'.
I said nothing about race.
It was the racist troll, strange, who asserted racism.
If the topic of the article is trolling, how can I be off topic?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014http://www.thehin...812.ece"
"Home Office accessing NHS records to help track down illegal immigrants"
http://www.thegua...migrants
At least some countries are making efforts to deport illegal immigrants.
strangedays
4.2 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2014You didn't have to. That is what is called dog whistling. Why else would you have dropped a post about a viral infection in Missouri - and linked it to 'illegal immigratio'. As YOU point out - this thread was about science and trolling. Why on earth would you have raised THAT topic - on this thread. There is no other reason - than you wanted to bait. You wanted to raise the topic of race - of course without actually saying the word. That is the whole game. Just stop it - you racist troll.
Aligo
Aug 31, 2014TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (11) Aug 31, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014Because it just might be linked to illegal immigration.
So you think several hundred children in hospital in Kansas City with a rare virus is normal?
I said nothing about race until Strange accused me of racism, which I point out is a common from 'liberals' who refuse to address reality and how such tactics of intimidation can lead to rape and torture of teenage girls in UK.
strangedays
4.2 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2014So what? The topic of this thread is science and trolling - not illegal immigration and viral infections. You dropped that little bomb on this thread - as a total troll baiting fishing expedition.
And I was totally justified in doing so - especially given your history of dropping little racist baits - like 'turd world country', and others in the past.
If you want to understand the connection between the comments you made - and racism - take a read of this article that I have already cited - http://www.msnbc....ring-not
Understand something Ryggy - you can try calling others racist all you want, you can wriggle and squirm as much as you want - the facts are there for all to see. You should just shut up - and keep your garbage to yourself. Otherwise - understand that others will call you out.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2014Which you could have ignored.
What does this have to do with race?
Ever been to a third world country?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 31, 2014http://www.thegua...un-chief
"Sunita's family in the north Indian village of Mukimpur were given their first toilet in February, one of millions being installed by the government to combat disease. She can't remember the last time anyone used it. "
"When nature calls, the 26-year-old single mother and her four children head toward the jungle next to their farm of red and pink roses, to a field of tall grass, flecked with petals, where the 7,000 people of her village go to defecate and exchange gossip. "
http://www.bloomb...hem.html
And don't forget all the cattle roaming around India with no diapers.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (6) Aug 31, 2014http://www.toilet...itation/
AGWites must love the 'turd' world as their economic polices make everyone poor.
strangedays
4.1 / 5 (9) Aug 31, 2014And I chose not to - I chose to show you up for you nasty troll baiting - my choice.
It is an insulting - derogatory term - used by people wanting to denigrate poor countries around the world - and poor countries are of course predominantly made up of people of color. So what do you think is behind using the term 'turd world' ryggy. Are you trying to be hateful to poor people of colour? Denigrate their country? Call them pieces of shit?
Here take a look at what some of your brothers mean when the talk about 'turd world'
https://www.youtu...4SMKbafo
Filthy racist.
ogg_ogg
1 / 5 (9) Aug 31, 2014ogg_ogg
1 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2014NOM
4.7 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2014This is the only thing you have ever posted that I agree with. When the subject is trolling, you rygtard can never be off topic.
strangedays
3.8 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2014Technically not true - see rule 1 on the comments guidelines.
http://phys.org/help/comments/
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2014Why are they poor?
Indians are now 'people of color'?
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2014"I heard directly from victims and their families. Their horrifying stories left me deeply troubled and I shared their anger at how they'd been treated by police and social services. Their pain was made worse by senior officers who told me that children who'd been routinely raped by gangs of men were making "lifestyle choices"."
" A group of senior managers held a dominant view that couldn't be challenged by anyone. In their minds political correctness and cultural sensitivity was more important than shocking criminal behavior. They were more interested in ticking boxes in diversity training than protecting children."
http://www.breitb...anczukMP
strangedays
3.5 / 5 (11) Aug 31, 2014No - they are white........
"As an Indian immigrant, calling myself a person of color enabled me to identify with African Americans, Latinos and Native Americans."
http://inamerica....f-color/
You really don't know these things do you? You really do live under a rock.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2014"We're looking at 90 million litres of untreated sewage that flows into the ocean every day [from gaza] because there is no electricity to treat it. Ninety percent of the drinking water is not fit for human consumption."
-Not to mention that people like mother Teresa thrive on the very poverty and misery that the church creates with its policies forbidding birth control.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Sep 01, 2014"
One of the biggest ironies of this story is that an identity wholly crafted by members of the bureaucracy is being foisted on people who may or may not be ready to accept it but who certainly did not initiate the effort. Generally, it is assimilation and integration as an American that are popularly derided as coercing immigrants into "losing their identity." Apparently no one has thought that forcing people to accept an identity they had never thought of—as Hispanics—also may be coercive.
The knowledge-making elites in the academy, the culture, and the media—always the handmaidens to the federal bureaucracy in liberal endeavors—have strongly nurtured the panethnic group identity. The Spanish-language media are one such strong force, working to create a Hispanic or Latino identity fit for a people who would vie for power not as individuals but as an ethnic group."
http://thefederal...latinos/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Sep 01, 2014"Most contemporary anthropologists classify Indians as belonging to one of four major ethno-racial groups, which often overlap with each other because of a continuous process of racial admixture: Caucasoids, Mongoloids and Negritos. Mongoloids are largely confined to the Northeastern region of the country and for the most part, speak Tibeto-Burman languages; and Negritos are found on the Andaman Islands located on the southeastern side of the country. These speak a group of languages known as Andamanese and Ongan languages, linguistic isolates not related to any known languages. And finally, Austro-Asiatic languages are spoken by only tribals or Adivasis, who can be of either Australoid or Mongoloid racial stock.[10]"
http://en.wikiped...in_India
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014Because they track discrimination. Officials from the Office of Management and Budget, which is responsible for maintaining the nation's racial-classification system, have always admitted that the categories have no scientific or anthropological basis. "
http://www.slate....ay_.html
Racism is created by a 'liberal' state for control.
If there is no basis in science for race, why does strange, who claims to worship science, promote racism?
strangedays
3.9 / 5 (11) Sep 01, 2014I don't promote racism - you do. I simply called you out on making racist posts. However - there is a basis for talking about race. Do you think that black people - who were being hung from a tree by the KKK - and killed because of the color of their skin - would agree with you that there is no basis for talking about racism?
"Though the biological basis for race is questionable, race and racism are real both socially and culturally."
http://www.sott.n...onstruct
strangedays
4.3 / 5 (11) Sep 01, 2014That's right - it was the liberal state that dictated that only white males could vote.
It was courageous civil rights activists - many of whom lost their lives - who fought for the equal rights amendment - and overcame slavery and segregation. No thanks to racists like you Ryggy - who fought the process the whole way. If people like you ran the world - we would still have slaves living in wooden shacks in our yards. Good job there were courageous folks willing to give their lives to overcome attitudes like yours.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014Like Republican Lincoln and many Republicans in the 60s.
'Liberal' socialists are the ones that NEED to perpetuate racism to keep 'the oppressed' voting for them.
Attitudes like mine are shared by conservatives like Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams and Allen Wes who respect the property rights of individuals.
'Liberals' like strange judge people by the color of their skin, not the content of their character. His condescension of the 'brown' people is quite typical. Excusing their character because of their skin color. How racist!
If people like me ran the world, slavery would never have been institutionalized by the state and the state could not plunder anyone.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (9) Sep 01, 2014Perhaps you don't know what race means. Perhaps spitting bile anonymously gives you a thrill, makes you feel empowered. Either/or. Not very respectable.The KKK was a religious organization inspired by the bibles endorsement of slavery. In actuality it was a demographic Tool used to move blacks about the country and preventing the establishment of a separate culture in the south.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014Murder is murder regardless of intent.
Why does the state treat the murder of Muslim women by their families different than any other murder?
'Hate' crimes excuse the criminal's intent.
"The liberal critics of George Bush did not become outraged when Horton dismembered his victim and left him to bleed to death horribly in a dumpster. They did not become outraged when then-Governor Dukakis released this convicted murderer on a furlough. They did not become outraged when Horton beat and raped a Maryland woman while her husband was tied up and forced to watch. They only became outraged when this ad brought Dukakis' bad judgment to light."
http://www.solarg...d-crime/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014http://www.rightw...things-y
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014http://www.rightw...america/
People like me agree with Booker T. Washington and Larry Elder.
People like strange agree with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014Eight months ago, Donna ISD School board president Alfredo Lugo hanged himself after federal agents arrested another group of politiqueras for buying votes using cash, beer and cigarettes and the school board was mentioned.
One of the public figures to be exposed in recent years is former Hidalgo County Sheriff, Lupe Trevino, who is preparing to serve a 5-year-prison term for taking money from a Mexican drug lord and depositing the cash into his campaign funds. "
http://www.breitb...uy-Votes
strangedays
4 / 5 (8) Sep 01, 2014This from the commenter who recently called someone 'penis breath'. Yes sir - you are so respectful. No - you are a hypocrite.
When pointing out that someone has said something racist - I don't see what being respectful has to do with anything - it is simply factual. I don't see that people who throw around hateful and derogatory terms such as 'turd world country' deserve any respect. Disagree as you wish - my mind is made up on that one otto.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014Now it's not racist?
It is a descriptive, factual term, as noted by the lack of toilet facilities.
Isn't 'third' world derogatory?
SaulAlinsky
4.1 / 5 (9) Sep 01, 2014If you weren't such an ignorant racist you might have known that.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Sep 01, 2014Yes, it does.
Why are communists and other socialist tyrannies less than the first world?
Why do so many from the 'turd' world want to escape to the first world? They are tired of the corrupt, socialist crap.
Unfortunately for them, the socialists in the US want to use them to expand socialism in the US. They want to make them instant citizens so they will vote more plunder for themselves.
Trouble is, too many 'liberals' who escape high tax states and countries continue to vote for the parasites who recreate the socialist mess they escaped from.
SaulAlinsky
4.3 / 5 (11) Sep 01, 2014Only in your frightened, racist mind.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.1 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014"Due to the complex history of evolving meanings and contexts, there is no clear or agreed upon definition of the Third World. Some countries in the Communist Bloc, such as Cuba, were often regarded as "Third World". Because many Third World countries were extremely poor, and non-industrialized, it became a stereotype to refer to poor countries as "third world countries"
"has been used interchangeably with the Less Developed Countries, Global South and Developing Countries to describe poorer countries that have struggled to attain steady economic development"
-The def has evolved. Guess you haven't kept up?Bitch slap. Was it good for you?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Sep 01, 2014http://www.urband...=2399060
http://sophia.smi...rld.html
strangedays
4.6 / 5 (10) Sep 01, 2014Yeah - it is still racist.
strangedays
4.1 / 5 (9) Sep 01, 2014No - that's OK Otto. You kind of sound like Ryggy and Modernmystic. When caught in a contradiction - you say - 'oh it was just a joke'. Senility and schizoid personality probably both apply pretty well to me.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (9) Sep 01, 2014"Vice President Joe Biden staked his claim to the labor vote by declaring that "it's time to take back America" in order to ensure that the middle class gets an "equal share" of prosperity in the country."
"Biden's comments come shortly after Attorney General Eric Holder said that such language is racist.
"There's a certain level of vehemence, it seems to me, that's directed at me [and] directed at the president," Holder told ABC last month, per the Hill. "You know, people talking about taking their country back. . . . There's a certain racial component to this for some people. "
http://www.nation...l-gehrke
NOM
5 / 5 (8) Sep 01, 2014Noone else did. You haven't an original idea of your own. All we expect from you is spamming of quotes and links of other bigots and idiots.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (9) Sep 02, 2014ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (9) Sep 02, 2014All I expect from you and your kind is invective spam.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Sep 02, 2014"I didn't want the story to be true because it made me deeply uncomfortable. The suggestion that men from a minority ethnic background were committing sex crimes against white children was always going to be the far right's fantasy story come true. Innocent white victims, evil dark-skinned abusers. Liberal angst kicked instinctively into top gear."
The thing that disturbs me is this: that Norfolk was apparently less discomfited by the enormity of the crime itself than he was by the spectre of the "far right's" likely response."
"But the fact that he even raised the issue speaks volumes about the mentality of the liberal-left: so great is its fear of the Far Right Bogeyman that it will do almost anything avoid incurring its wrath - even, in some cases, if it means turning a blind eye to rape, fraud and worse."
http://www.breitb...ar-Right
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Sep 02, 2014That's because in perfervid, warped, paranoid imagination of the liberal-left, the "far right" is like Lord Voldemort. Or one of those Indian graveyards you shouldn't build on top of, or one of those Egyptian tombs you shouldn't open: his spectre is so threatening, so ominous, so ne plus ultra of terror-like that almost anything would be preferable to his actually appearing within our midst - up to and including the industrial rape of thousands of white teenagers."
http://www.breitb...ar-Right
NOM
4.4 / 5 (7) Sep 02, 2014So why do you think these trolls come to science sites to post their garbage?
Are they so lonely that pointless arguments give them some form of human contact?
Is it a mental disorder, where they are driven to humiliate themselves or thrive on abuse?
I suspect rygesogn is a strawman sockpuppet trying to make conservatives look bad, which he certainly does.
Zephyr is clearly brain damaged.
Psychotic disorders explain fundies like johanfprins.
But what about the climate change deniers? Is this low IQ or a lack of science education?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (7) Sep 02, 2014http://news.yahoo...273.html
Another bad thing that happens in the third world and when the first world opens its doors to the third world, with unguarded borders, the first world will soon join the third world.
strangedays
3.5 / 5 (11) Sep 02, 2014So is calling someone penis breath, or calling me a bigot - not name calling? I think I presented a very substantive argument for calling Rygg a racist. I think that this is a pattern on Ryggs part. I never 'lumped people togeher'. I consistently kept my comments directed at one individual. Yes - Otto - I tore in to you yesterday unfairly - and for that I apologize. I want to leave this thread with a quote that Ryggy often quotes.
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"
The dilema being - what if speaking up against racism - does no good - because evil people don't care about the words.
After this post - I will be deleting my account for good - try to put my energy into other constructive actions.
thermodynamics
5 / 5 (6) Sep 02, 2014Strange, I am sorry to hear you are moving on. Your input will be missed on the forum.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Sep 02, 2014Because the people, like strange and Jesse Jackson, the Obama regime, speaking the words, are using racism to promote their evil.
Even worse, by labeling EVERYTHING as being racism, by hearing 'dog whistles' and crying 'racism', diminishes REAL racism and enables crimes like the rapes and abuse in the UK and forces people out of business.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.3 / 5 (7) Sep 02, 2014And no, wanting to restrict illegal access to our borders does NOT make one a racist. Ryggy might be one but his OT argument in this thread gives no indication of that.
http://youtu.be/QaWUaboCIrM
NOM
5 / 5 (6) Sep 04, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Sep 08, 2014Now, there's a companion story. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. There isn't a companion story, except that I know there is, but there isn't. The companion story is Obama will not tell anybody where all of the children that have crossed the border in the last four months have been relocated to. I"
"Now, are the two stories related or are they not? Does this sweeping mysterious virus that's multiplying across the Midwest, does it have anything to do with that or not? We don't know. That's the answer. We just don't know. But some people think there may be some kind of a connection. "
http://www.rushli...ere_sent
Who is asking the question?
Vietvet
5 / 5 (5) Sep 08, 2014ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Sep 08, 2014Note the CDC has not stated the illegal immigrants are not the cause.
Why?
Vietvet
5 / 5 (7) Sep 08, 2014The CDC is not stated that pixie dust is not the cause. Why?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (5) Sep 08, 2014If you are really a Vietnam vet, why do you trust a socialist govt that lies to you?
Didn't you have enough of that with Johnson and Ted Kennedy?
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (4) Sep 12, 2014Some crank is hacking Wikipedia again.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (4) Sep 12, 2014This is called the "Straw man fallacy." http://www.nizkor...man.html