Study discovers a confused nation crippled by choice

Aug 03, 2010
Study discovers a confused nation crippled by choice

The UK is a nation overwhelmed by too much choice and information according to a study based on the views of 6,000 people, revealing that modern life has created a generation of people incapable of making decisions.

The research has led to the coining of the term "the Indeciders", to collectively describe "a group of individuals suffering high levels of whilst displaying an inability to be decisive, leading in some cases to depression".

The University of Bristol conducted a series of focus groups with young adult women, young adult men, mothers and older people, who were asked how they felt about life and how they coped with modern demands.

Almost half of those questioned (47%) said they felt unable to make decisions about every day life, while politics baffled 65% of people, and 69% struggled to understand bankers’ bonuses and interest rates.  Terms such as ‘smart/casual,’ predictive text and flat pack furniture were also identified as key areas of confusion in the UK.

Findings from the report will inform a new website www.confusednation.co.uk aimed at providing real-life problem solving advice, launched by the price comparison site Confused.com, with whom the study was developed.

Professor Harriet Bradley from Bristol University’s Sociology department said: “With a constant stream of new media, daily technological advancements and aggressive multimedia advertising, it’s no wonder that over half of Britain thinks life is more confusing for them than it is for their parents.  We really are becoming a nation of ‘indeciders.’”

The South East region was the second most confused nation in the UK (82%) according to the study, after Wales (84%), while Northern Ireland was the least (73%).  Eighty-four per cent of the women involved reported being confused compared with 72% of men.

The report showed that confusion decreases with age as people gain experience and confidence. Young people were more confused about priorities and major life issues; nearly half of those aged 18-24 said they lay awake agonising over choices, compared to 34% of those aged 55-64.

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russcelt
5 / 5 (2) Aug 04, 2010
Yup, just as the nobility has known all along. A totalitarian system where most of us are treated like domesticated animals would be better. Except, 'power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

"Indeed, it has been said that democracy (choice) is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Could it be, that in conditioning our children to be be 'good' lawful subjects. By banning many things that, used unwisely, are dangerous. We have failed to prepare them for a world full of risk and choice?

Do not let the oligarchy define which is cause and which is effect. For they have a long record of making choices in their best interest.
MustaI
1 / 5 (5) Aug 04, 2010
.The UK is a nation overwhelmed by too much choice and information according to a study based on the views of 6,000 people, revealing that modern life has created a generation of people incapable of making decisions...
The science, physics in particular suffers with informational explosion, too - which makes it extremely conservative and fragmented at the same moment.

The main difference is, physicists enjoys this situation, as it enables them to promote more theories and to ask for more grants at the same moment. Former president of APS Prof. Dr. Robert Wilson expressed this stance in Physics Today in pregnant way:

"Just suppose.. that some smart aleck came up with a simple self-evident, closed theory of everything. I---and so many others---have had a perfectly wonderful life pursuing the will-o'-the-wisp of unification. I have dreamed of my children, their children and their children's children all having this same beautiful experience.

All that would end..."
MustaI
1 / 5 (5) Aug 04, 2010
And this troll (..actually the boss of whole USA physics of his time) continued:

"..APS membership would drop precipitously. Fellow members, could we afford this catastrophe? We must prepare a crisis-management plan for this eventuality, however remote. First we must voice a hearty denial. Then we should ostracize the culprit and hold up for years any publication by the use of our well-practiced referees. Just to be safe, we should put the paper on our Index---I mean in our index--- where it can be lost for centuries..."

This memo just illustrates the less or more hidden stance of mainstream science regarding confusion.

http://www.ibibli...e10.html
Skeptic_Heretic
4 / 5 (4) Aug 04, 2010
I'd recommend you read the rest of Dr. Meno's paper and realize why he was told to piss off.

It wasn't the memo, it was his blatant ignorance of plate tectonics and crustal subduction. It also has nothing to do with that memo, which isn't found anywhere outside of his little booklet, and is probably forged for attention.
http://www.ibibli...ge7.html
The link that I saw today, under "What's New", prompted me to comment (see: bttp://www.ibiblio.org/meno/ ). I am a geologist, and having spent so much time studying such a breadth of material, I was somewhat alarmed to find what is being purported to be a work in geological science presented without some disclaimer.

http://www.ibibli...ge6.html
Those that might be interested in some new ideas about formation and physics of galaxies are invited to visit
http://www.aetherpress.com

Yep, that explains it.
Skeptic_Heretic
4 / 5 (4) Aug 04, 2010
Are you Frank Meno?

Frank M. Meno (1991): "I can therefore be hoped that physics could again be pursued in the manner that Newton and Maxwell envisioned, without the occultism that is currently in vogue"


You are, aren't you? How has getting kicked off the Univ of Pittsburgh teaching staff for pseudoscience affected your career?

MustaI
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 04, 2010
Are we talking about speech of the head of USA physics, a former president of the American Physical Society prof. Robert Wilson - which was published in 1986 in the July issue of peer-reviewed journal Physics Today, 39, 26?

http://en.wikiped...._Wilson
MustaI
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 04, 2010
Are we talking about speech of the head of USA physics, a former president of the American Physical Society prof. Robert Wilson - which was published in 1986 in the July issue of peer-reviewed journal Physics Today, 39, 26?

http://en.wikiped...._Wilson
http://dx.doi.org...1.881034
marjon
1.4 / 5 (5) Aug 04, 2010
"We really are becoming a nation of ‘indeciders.’”"
How many decisions do they really need to make? Their nanny state takes care of most important decisions.
If the authors were really worried about this situation, their proposed solution would be to shift more real, critical decision making to the subjects.
People know how to make choices, but there needs to be defined differences.
Many in the USA now regret their choice of Obama as he has clearing distinguished himself from what most people believe.
Skeptic_Heretic
3.7 / 5 (6) Aug 04, 2010
Are we talking about speech of the head of USA physics, a former president of the American Physical Society prof. Robert Wilson - which was published in 1986 in the July issue of peer-reviewed journal Physics Today, 39, 26?

No, we're talking about you and your crank work. Are you Frank Meno?
MustaI
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 04, 2010
Why not, if it will make you happy.
Skeptic_Heretic
4.5 / 5 (8) Aug 04, 2010
Why not, if it will make you happy.

The day you stop posting nonsense and actually learn the subject will be the day I'm happy. I'd much prefer to hold a conversation with you on these topics rather than have a constant need to correct your inaccurate descriptions for the benefit of those people who are actually trying to learn.
marjon
1 / 5 (5) Aug 04, 2010
"Freedom stands ready to endure as we embrace responsibility alongside of liberty. Individual responsibility, family responsibility, community responsibility, governmental responsibility, corporate responsibility, institutional responsibility - all these segments of society need a massive visual reminder of the role that responsibility plays in maintaining our freedom."
http://www.sorfou...equation
So many choices are the direct result of liberty. In the west, the baby-boom generation reveled in their 'liberty' while eschewing responsibility.
Instead of complaining about the quantity of liberty, take responsibility to preserve your freedom or some government agency or your busy-body neighbor will gladly make those choices for you.
Ethelred
3.6 / 5 (5) Aug 05, 2010
Why not, if it will make you happy.


So you would pretend yet another person? Another known crank at that.

That geology was just plain ignorant overall. For one thing the Earth's crust is NOT as single spherical shell. It is made up of many plates and the thinest and therefor most flexible parts are NOT where the mountains are.

It was just plain stupid. Almost as bad as the Hydroplate Nonsense from Dr. Brown. Bad science all around.

Ethelred
MustaI
1 / 5 (9) Aug 05, 2010
It's entertaining to watch, how proponents of mainstream physics are trying to cover their mafia leaders by changing of subject... :-)

My point wasn't about geology at all - but about intentional and organized confusion of layman public by leaders of physics in an effort to provide prolonged safe jobs for scientists.

Why do you think, proponents of Holy Church did fight for geocentric model? Because they liked epicycle model so much? Come on...
Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (1) Aug 05, 2010
My point wasn't about geology at all - but about intentional and organized confusion of layman public by leaders of physics in an effort to provide prolonged safe jobs for scientists.
But you evidenced your point poorly. We're not changing the substance, we've overturned your evidence showing that your stance is without merit.

If you have more evidence please provide it so we can evaluate it as well. You might have a point, don't give up so easily.
Why do you think, proponents of Holy Church did fight for geocentric model? Because they liked epicycle model so much? Come on...
Because their primary opponenets, the greeks, advocated heliocentrism due to their schools of philosophy and reason. Showing that the Earth wasn't the center of reality significantly dampened the statements of the church's validity and as such pushed rational and wealthy people away from the church.
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Aug 05, 2010
Your point was badly served then. If you can only make a point by quoting cranks that deserve to be called cranks then you don't really have point.

Because they liked epicycle model so much?


They did like it. However by the time of Galileo they had begun to understand that it was wrong. It would have helped Galileo if he hadn't been such a pain in the ass that his strawman Simplicio, or whatever the name was, was suspected of being a dig at the Pope.

He really would have been better off if he had scarpered off to the Netherlands before publishing. Which is not an excuse for what the Church did. Just an observation of the reality of the time.

Ethelred
MustaI
1 / 5 (7) Aug 05, 2010
If you can only make a point by quoting cranks that deserve to be called cranks then you don't really have point
I'm quoting the peer-reviewed journal. It's not my problem, mainstream physics mafia is hiding its internal guidelines behind firewall of payed service (...from good reasons apparently..) - where it remains unreachable for layman public - despite the publicity pays most of this propaganda from its own taxes...

The worse for mafia. Anyway, the Wilson's scandalous memo is publicly available at many other sites on the web, for example here:

http://www.datapa...IC~1.HTM
Ethelred
4.5 / 5 (4) Aug 06, 2010
I'm quoting the peer-reviewed journal.
And I was referring to your UN-supporting link to a crank.

In what way is ibiblio.org a peer reviewed journal? Is it somehow similar to The way of Don Juan by Carlos Casteneda?
It's not my problem, mainstream physics mafia is hiding its internal guidelines behind firewall of payed service
You mean the scientific method of peer review is somehow killing people that don't follow the way of Wise Guys?
where it remains unreachable for layman public
Maybe in the Chek Republic but not in the US. I can go to a public library and read many journals. Not all of course unless I go to a college library.

Besides I don't see anything scandalous about a joke that you didn't get.

More jokes for the humorless coming
Ethelred
4 / 5 (4) Aug 06, 2010
for example here:
I see, Meno's site. He also has no sense of humor. Cranks rarely do. Look at Oliver K Manuel.
Namely, my aether model automatically accounts for all known force fields by means of pressure gradients generated by various dynamic states in this anisotropic fluid.
Is that where you get the crap you write? He couldn't manage the math either so I suppose that is why you refuse to try.

Sad you didn't find the retirement story as funny as I do. And it wasn't a memo it was a speech which was not peer reviewed because it was a joke. If you can't even get that simple an idea right how the heck are you going to get a TOE based on ad hoc nonsense?

On another point I notice that you have PARTIALLY behaving yourself for at least 24 hours. You still posted under two names but you didn't rank yourself nor did you use more than one vote to rank others.

As a reward I didn't give your silly response a one. Of course if you relapse.

Ethelred
MustaI
1 / 5 (6) Aug 06, 2010
Maybe in the Chek Republic but not in the US.
You see - you could read there, how exact name of our country appears. But you didn't - why? Because such visit costs your time and money in the same way, like in our republic (which is relatively educated, btw). People simply have no time to verify every claim - they're collecting money, feeding families, playing with their hobbies, etc..

As the number of information increases, the relative amount of information, which we are forced to believe actually increases - which explains, why people are becoming more religious gradually - it's just the categorical and parenting mentor approach of mainstream science, which provides increasing number of information and learns them such stance.

Statistical evidence, that science turns authoritarian.

http://www.americ...ritarian
MustaI
1 / 5 (6) Aug 06, 2010
In what way is ibiblio.org a peer reviewed journal?
LOL, your library is not peer-reviewed source of information as well - it just collects the articles from other sources...:-) Why do you believe informations at PhysOrg, if it's not peer-reviewed journal?

Because it cites them.

I actually quoted a citation of Physics Today, not the ibiblio.org - if you cannot distinguish it, then the regular visits of public library will not help you anyway.
frajo
5 / 5 (3) Aug 06, 2010
Maybe in the Chek Republic but not in the US.
You see - you could read there, how exact name of our country appears.
When I told you that "bellow" is not the correct English translation for the Czech preposition "pod" you didn't take notice.
Other users told you more than [!] once that "then" is not the correct English conjunction in comparisons. You never took notice.
Thus your remark is quite funny.
MustaI
1 / 5 (6) Aug 06, 2010
Thus your remark is quite funny.
It just serves as another evidence, people have no time to visit library to verify every sentence. The availability of such library is therefore demagogic and fringe argument.

BTW I could argument easily, it's not my problem, whole mainstream physics confused the aether concept - because dense aether model was proposed correctly with Oliver Lodge already in 1904. All these guys had chance to visit library, read about it and to understand, why this model doesn't predict positive result of Michelson-Morley experiment. These people are wasting our money for it - not just theirs.

It's estimated, roughly sixty percent of scientific results are never used - they're revealed again and again, because scientists are payed for articles, not for their originality.
MustaI
1 / 5 (5) Aug 06, 2010
The things often appear differently when they're observed from inside or from outside - but they're still describing the same stuff. This is one of reasons, why I'm promoting aether model here - because it enables us to navigate us through fast growing landscape of various theories, which often differ just with their observational perspectives.

In this way, the wider acceptation of duality of intrinsic and extrinsic perspectives would remove a substantial portion of the increased confusion, existing in interpretation of various scientific theories. For scientists is advantageous to maintain such confusion, because it enables them to promote more particular theories individually - but from long-term/extrinsic perspective such approach makes them less trustful as a whole in the eyes of public.

It means, physicists will need some simple, but comprehensive model of reality soon or later - despite they want it or not by now.
Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (3) Aug 06, 2010
As the number of information increases, the relative amount of information, which we are forced to believe actually increases - which explains, why people are becoming more religious gradually - it's just the categorical and parenting mentor approach of mainstream science, which provides increasing number of information and learns them such stance.
Having a lazy mind is your own fault, not the fault of society.
MustaI
1 / 5 (6) Aug 06, 2010
The ability to think independently is always an evolutionary advantage, but like every particular approach has its own limits - especially when facing the fact, volume of scientific information doubles every two years or so. You cannot spend whole your life just with sieving of informations and with thinking about them.

When number of information elements (bits, ideas, theories) increases, we can expect the formation of chaotic mixture (a sort of "boson condensate"), from which new generation of metatheories will emerge in analogy to condensation of foamy density fluctuations (strings, branes, loops, whatever...) inside of dense supercritical fluid.

http://www.basic....rate.gif

In this way, aether theory describes/predicts its own formation.
MustaI
1 / 5 (5) Aug 06, 2010
This concept is well known in informational technologies as a concept of subroutines and API functions during programming. Currently we can still develop Windows program in machine code or assembly language "directly" or via dedicated functions (so called Win API and kernel functions) - but most of programmers even doesn't use WinAPI, but high level libraries, like Java/.NET for development of common routine tasks. In similar way, most of web developers aren't writing HTML or even HTTP messages by hand, they're using a specialized HTML generators for it by coding.

Please note, such meta-theory or library should always provide the way, in which it can be seamlessly binded with language at lower level - but it cannot deal with too many details - or it would lost its meaning. The solving of such details is still task for specialized theories at lower level.
Javinator
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 06, 2010
aether theory describes/predicts its own formation.


That's textbook circular logic.
frajo
4 / 5 (4) Aug 06, 2010
(About language mistakes:)
Thus your remark is quite funny.
It just serves as another evidence, people have no time to visit library to verify every sentence.
You don't have an English dictionary on your shelf?
You don't know http://translate.google.com . Why?

Ethelred
3 / 5 (2) Aug 07, 2010
how exact name of our country appears.
Which I don't really care about because I can't type it.

However if you want to rant about spelling I will happy to start in on you.
People simply have no time to verify every claim - they're collecting money, feeding families, playing with their hobbies, etc
In what way is this the fault of scientific publishing?
which explains, why people are becoming more religious gradually
I think the year 2000 had a lot to do with that. Same thing happened in some places prior to 1000. Iceland, for instance, voted to go Christian at the first Allthing in 999.
Statistical evidence, that science turns authoritarian
What statistics? You posted a snowscreen and then blamed it on science. It is not the fault of the Science organizations that so many people CHOOSE to be ignorant.
LOL, your library is not peer-reviewed source of information as well
Irrelevant. Wrong too. Libraries CARRY peer-reviewed sources.

Trolling down a river
Ethelred
3 / 5 (2) Aug 07, 2010
of Cranky nonsense
Why do you believe informations at PhysOrg, if it's not peer-reviewed journal?
Excuse me? When the heck did I do that? The answer is never. I come here for the forum. The articles are not exactly well written much of the time. You are the person that quotes Physorg.com not me.
Because it cites them.
Sometimes, often it posts pure advertising.
I actually quoted a citation of Physics Today, not the ibiblio.org
Really, then where did I get that from? Oh yes it WAS from you. Keep track of the stuff you post.
if you cannot distinguish it, then the regular visits of public library will not help you anyway.
Clearly they haven't helped you. You are now denying that you posted that link to the crank.

Ethelred
frajo
3 / 5 (2) Aug 07, 2010
On another point I notice that you have PARTIALLY behaving yourself for at least 24 hours. You still posted under two names but you didn't rank yourself nor did you use more than one vote to rank others.
It didn't last for long. Jigga is very present on MustaI's activity page again.
As a reward I didn't give your silly response a one. Of course if you relapse.
I followed that pattern. But obviously, he's not able to change his bad manners.
Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (1) Aug 07, 2010
I followed that pattern. But obviously, he's not able to change his bad manners.
Well, I can say from personal experience, the bad habits are the hardest ones to break.
getgoa
1 / 5 (1) Aug 07, 2010
the obvious is difficult for many to understand--Confusion.

Let's say we are falsifying and everyone knows where they are going just not to exactly when the person is asking--meaning asking your pet to outside and pee yet not really knowing they have to pee yet when you bring your pet out it pees.

The person bringing out the pet never really knew all along if the pet really had to pee yet when the pet pees it is as if all observations are truths.

The same when all these young people were asked the question--it was not the question that was confusion but the encounter, the interruption up until when the question was asked, and so the response or this article shows confusing results among young adults.

Please don't "misunderstand" the results because they were confusing.
bottomlesssoul
3.7 / 5 (3) Aug 08, 2010
I get it. I'm 48 years old, hold 2 PhDs, have had several publications, traveled half the world and speak a half dozen languages. In fact many people who read this might have used robots today I made 15 years ago.

Yet all I can say reliably is being nice to people, brushing your teeth and washing hands before eating is about all the advice I have to give. That and get as much of an education you can stomach and keep yourself busy trying to be productive.

Ask me about big screen TVs all I can say is maybe I understand how it works. Whether you should own one is an impossible mystery for me. I'm the same about football and war.

Maybe that's all there is. I'm too confused to know.
patnclaire
1 / 5 (1) Aug 08, 2010
Anytime anyone begins exhorting an end to freedom of choice, I grab my wallet and run for the hills. This sort of thing creeps, you know. First, the authorities will restrict your choices to 3 or 4. Then to 1 or 2. Then it will be like the American movie, The Magnificent Seven. In it, the character Calvara told the captured gunfighters who had tried to help the local farmers to defend themselves, "...You force them to make too many decisions. With me there is only one decision. Do what I say!..." Well, soon that will be your only choice. Dumb-down your schools another notch or two and you won't even know the difference. Like the frog in luke-warm water on the stove. Some Do-gooder comes along and turns up the heat gradually and the frog gets boiled and never even knows it. Good luck with INGSOC.

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