Atom smasher achieves 'Big Bang' collisions (Update)

Mar 30, 2010
Scientists at the world's biggest atom smasher at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) near Geneva celebrate after making protons collide at record power, mimicking conditions close to the Big Bang that created the universe.

Scientists at the world's biggest atom smasher on Tuesday started colliding particles at record energy levels, opening a new era in the quest for the universe's deepest secrets.

The European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) said it had unleashed the unprecedented bursts of energy on the third attempt, as beams of protons thrust around the 27-kilometre (16.8-mile) accelerator collided at close to the speed of light.

"This is physics in the making, the beginning of a new era, we have collisions at 7 TeV (teralectronvolts)," said Paola Catapano, a CERN scientist and spokeswoman, referring to the record energy levels achieved.

CERN Director General Rolf Heuer could barely contain his excitement by video conference from Japan: "It is a fantastic moment for science."

Within an hour, physicists from dozens of countries around the world were marvelling at their initial observations, rendered graphically as colourful bursts of energy.

"What we saw within the detector was really a firework, a lot of energy, something completely different from what we have seen until now," said Fabiola Gianotti, spokeswoman for one of the biggest parts of the experiment.

The success came after a faltering start at the giant 3.9 billion euro (5.2 billion dollar) machine under the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva, which is aimed at unravelling some of the outstanding secrets of the universe.

But collisions among the 20 billion protons emerged in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at 1:06 pm (1106 GMT), creating powerful but microscopic bursts of energy mimicking conditions close to the Big Bang that created the universe.

"We're within a billionth of a second of the Big Bang," CERN spokesman James Gillies told AFP.

Cheers and applause erupted in separate control rooms as the detectors recorded the collisions of sub atomic particles on computer screen graphs.

"We're certainly going to do the same thing several times over the coming week and hundreds of times over the year," said Steve Myers, CERN's Director for Accelerators and Technology.

Myers had likened the attempt to firing needles from either side of the Atlantic and getting them to collide half way, while the particles sped around the ring more than 5,000 times a second.

The new stage, dubbed "First Physics", marks only the beginning of an initial 18- to 24-month series of billions of such collisions.

Scientists around the world will sift through and analyse huge quantities of data on a giant computer network, searching for evidence of a theorised missing link called the Higgs Boson, commonly called the "God Particle".

"Internationally we sent out data at the rate of one DVD every two seconds," CERN computing chief David Foster said after Tuesday's first steps, illustrating the vast volume of data generated by the atom smasher.

Physicist Despiona Hatzifotiadu said much of the observation of new phenomena would rely on number crunching.

"It will give us a clue of how we were created in the beginning."

The experiment also aims to shed light on "dark matter" and subsequently "dark energy", invisible matter or forces that are thought to account together for some 96 percent of the cosmos.

At this stage the LHC is still running on only partial power. It is designed to run collisions at twice the energy -- 14 TeV, equivalent to 99.99 percent of the speed of light.

CERN is aiming to cross that threshold with the giant, cryogenically-cooled machine, which straddles the French-Swiss border near Geneva, after 2011.

At full power the detectors in cathedral sized chambers should capture some 600 million collisions every second among trillions of protons racing around the LHC 11,245 times a second.

The decades-long attempt by CERN to observe and understand mysterious forces has inspired in recent years the fictional Hollywood blockbuster "Angels and Demons".

The venture has also attracted sceptics who claim that the organisation is tampering with forces that might suck the world into a black hole.


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Bloodoflamb
4.1 / 5 (14) Mar 30, 2010
Has the earth been destroyed yet? Someone please send me a PM when it happens.
thematrix606
4.7 / 5 (12) Mar 30, 2010
Let's ask our magical genie for help:

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
random
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 30, 2010
That's odd. I could have sworn I had a pair of pants on a minute ago...
Sazzle
3 / 5 (4) Mar 30, 2010
So what did it "Smash" Atoms or Protons? and how long does it take for the black hole to grow big enough to swallow the earth again? Is it instant or does it take a few billion years? Hmmm, I think am I still here? or maybe we all just got sucked into another set of dimensions? Is the moon still there or did that come with us? Please can some of the experts here advise?
frajo
4 / 5 (12) Mar 30, 2010
The doomsday experts are missing here. Where have they gone?
Digi
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 30, 2010
How exciting.. I look forward to the preliminary results whenever they will be!
Skeptic_Heretic
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 30, 2010
So what did it "Smash" Atoms or Protons?

A proton is a hydrogen ion so technically, both.

Funny how no one is here crying about blackholes and aether theory.
danman5000
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 30, 2010
Funny how no one is here crying about blackholes and aether theory.

Maybe the fact that we aren't dead yet scared them away? That's probably too much to hope for. I bet every time they ramp up to higher energies the doomsayers will resurface and say "OK _this_ time it'll kill us. No, really!"
broglia
1 / 5 (10) Mar 30, 2010
Tevatron can collide protons at 1.96 TeV. The LHC's 2x 3.45 TeV is not so huge drop in collisions energy for to expect disaster right today. But if there nonzero probability exists, we can expect it for sure - no matter, how small it really is.

For example the probability of cold fusion by existing theories is less then 10-74 per second - but cold fusion still routinelly occurs with high yields.

http://www.icenes.../Session 15C/TUNNELING.pdf
jrtucker511
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 30, 2010
It's a complete shame people fear what they do not understand, or they embrace it. Whatever's good for Deepak Chopra. 13.9 billion a year on Alternative Medicine in America, yet cuts to NASA.
fuzz54
4.6 / 5 (5) Mar 30, 2010
I can see this discussion happening again and again each time we increase the energy level of the collisions.
Skeptic_Heretic
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 30, 2010
For example the probability of cold fusion by existing theories is less then 10-74 per second - but cold fusion still routinelly occurs with high yields.

Any proof of high yield LENR or are you just passing more ignorance off as fact?
Onnosf
3 / 5 (4) Mar 30, 2010
Yea but can it make better twinkies?
TrustTheONE
1 / 5 (11) Mar 30, 2010
Just Hype! Is there any news? Any discovery? They just pumped more watts in the coffe machine!
S_Bilderback
not rated yet Mar 30, 2010
Maybe it is all new news to them - now they're trapped in a reciprocating wormhole.
LKD
1.3 / 5 (6) Mar 30, 2010
How do they use the headline they do, when no one has a clue what the Big Bang was?

As fascinating as this project is, weren't they trying to find the fundamentals of atomic structure not reproduce a universe creating phenomenon?
panorama
5 / 5 (4) Mar 30, 2010
@LKD Good science rarely equates to good sciene reporting...
jlantrip
4.7 / 5 (3) Mar 30, 2010
We don't understand what caused the big bang, but we understand the theory quite well within a certain amount of time after the big bang, this event re created the energies and forces that occurred very close to the big bag, as was said to within a billionth of a second. At the same time this allows them to find the fundamental structure of the universe to a greater extent because at that time and those energies particles existed that do not naturally exist today and instead rapidly decay into other particles, the electron, the up and down quarks and the electron neutrino mostly. The experiment is not creating a universe, rather just pulling ours apart and looking at all the possible constituents and how they interact, the question of why is still pressing.
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (12) Mar 30, 2010
These people know it might be dangerous, yet they continue anyway!

From Wikipedia: Mad Scientist:
...Mad scientists also, whilst definitely being intelligent, if not necessarily brilliant, usually fail to think things through to their conclusion...

Some excerpts from the LSAG (CERN safety committee) summary report:
Collisions at the LHC differ from cosmic-ray collisions with astronomical bodies like the Earth in that new particles produced in LHC collisions tend to move more slowly than those produced by cosmic rays. Stable black holes could be either electrically charged or neutral.

If stable microscopic black holes had no electric charge, their interactions with the Earth would be very weak. Those produced by cosmic rays would pass harmlessly through the Earth into space, whereas those produced by the LHC could remain on Earth.
... So just what do they think stable, neutral black holes, which remain on Earth, might do next?
baudrunner
3 / 5 (6) Mar 30, 2010
It'll take more than the energy of 7 flying mosquitos to impress me, let alone create a black hole.
Skeptic_Heretic
4 / 5 (4) Mar 30, 2010
Some excerpts from the LSAG (CERN safety committee) summary report:
Truncated
... So just what do they think stable, neutral black holes, which remain on Earth, might do next?

I don't know, why don't you find the one we jsut formed at the energy stated in your paper and tell us what it's doing.

Oh wait, THERE ISN'T ONE!
AndyGordon
4.4 / 5 (9) Mar 30, 2010
Who gives a shit - if a black hole forms and we all get sucked into it, we won't care anyways because we'll be too busy looking for something to grab onto, and by then it'll be all over. Enjoy it while your still alive, heck, they might even discover something incredible. This is the next step of action into future discovery. We either move on, or stop here because it's too dangerous. And if we stop here, then whats the point of living anyways? Wake up everyday, drive to the office, drink your coffee.. thats it. nothing else. We need to move forward. We've been moving forward for 6 billion years.
Bonkers
5 / 5 (3) Mar 30, 2010
its nice to know that as they crank up the energy there are a couple of webcams monitoring the action.
the first is in the main ATLAS hall, the second, bizarrely, points out of one of the lab windows into a field full of sheep.
check out CERN in real-time................

http://www.cyriak...ams.html
Mayday
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 30, 2010
What is the current going price of a microscopic black hole on eBay, anyway?
poof
5 / 5 (2) Mar 30, 2010
Can i store my healing potions in this black hole?
Sciencebee
5 / 5 (4) Mar 30, 2010
Who gives a shit - if a black hole forms and we all get sucked into it, we won't care anyways because we'll be too busy looking for something to grab onto, and by then it'll be all over. Enjoy it while your still alive, heck, they might even discover something incredible. This is the next step of action into future discovery. We either move on, or stop here because it's too dangerous. And if we stop here, then whats the point of living anyways? Wake up everyday, drive to the office, drink your coffee.. thats it. nothing else. We need to move forward. We've been moving forward for 6 billion years.

This is pretty much it in my opinion too. We didn't know what would happen when we set off the first a-bomb. We didn't know what would happen when we broke the sound barrier. We have to move forward...or someone else will and they might not be nice.
panda
5 / 5 (1) Mar 30, 2010
So just what do they think stable, neutral black holes, which remain on Earth, might do next?


Something different from a stable, neutral MICRO-black hole presumably?
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (11) Mar 30, 2010
Who gives a shit - if a black hole forms and we all get sucked into it, we won't care anyways because we'll be too busy looking for something to grab onto, and by then it'll be all over. Enjoy it while your still alive, heck, they might even discover something incredible. This is the next step of action into future discovery. We either move on, or stop here because it's too dangerous. And if we stop here, then whats the point of living anyways? Wake up everyday, drive to the office, drink your coffee.. thats it. nothing else. We need to move forward. We've been moving forward for 6 billion years.
This just serves to show that LHC proponents really don't care about life.
ubavontuba
1.6 / 5 (12) Mar 30, 2010
This is pretty much it in my opinion too. We didn't know what would happen when we set off the first a-bomb.
Actually, we did (generally speaking).
We didn't know what would happen when we broke the sound barrier.
Again, not true.
We have to move forward...or someone else will and they might not be nice.
Oh brother. Like anyone else is even close to building another LHC.
Rynox77
4.3 / 5 (3) Mar 30, 2010
Dude, they amped the big machine up and we're all still here. What does that mean? It means the crazy talk about getting sucked up into a black hole was just plain wrong.
bugmenot23
5 / 5 (1) Mar 31, 2010
I suffer from low self esteem and a high sense of self loathing. Personally, I'm rooting for the black hole.
PhysicsLver21
5 / 5 (2) Mar 31, 2010
Where are all the skeptics, conspiracy bluffs and where are all the pissed off people who thought the world was gonna get sucked into a black hole and the world as we know it will be destroyed? hmmm... I sure hope we don't get Fckd up by strangelets... go visit lhcdefense.org (citizens against lhc).. read the risks, and tell me you don't wanna open a beer and point and laugh. Come on people how dumb do you have to be to believe that sh** lol
Fekarah
1 / 5 (6) Mar 31, 2010
Hmm... the LHC will run at 14TeV sometime after 2011... so... 2012.

Hmm... Mayans and the new age of man.

In all seriousness, I think the entire universe, based on every action having an equal and opposite reaction, is a black hole, which explains the big bang to begin with. I think we're going to see our endpoint being the same as our startpoint when this goes down.
Laumes
1 / 5 (5) Mar 31, 2010
...I'm honestly not sure where the idea of black holes comes from, besides high energy states and everything, or why it's on everyone's agenda.

What worries me more is that it will be...another big bang. Sooo...either, there would be a universe inside of the collider, or it would blow the earth up as another universe expands inside our current one. Either way, I kinda like life. I can live my life without knowing either way how the universe was formed. I'm not sure how it would affect anyone if they knew...
Kedas
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 31, 2010
Anyone wondering if this could attract the attention of some other intelligent life forms.
(assuming there is something very special happening at these 'high' energy levels)

ubavontuba
1 / 5 (6) Mar 31, 2010
Dude, they amped the big machine up and we're all still here. What does that mean? It means the crazy talk about getting sucked up into a black hole was just plain wrong.
Oh brother. No one with any knowledge said it could be an instant disaster. The quickest estimates are about five years. I doubt any danger might be apparent in my lifetime.
MPZ
Mar 31, 2010
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Skeptic_Heretic
3.3 / 5 (3) Mar 31, 2010
Hmm... the LHC will run at 14TeV sometime after 2011... so... 2012.

Hmm... Mayans and the new age of man.

In all seriousness, I think the entire universe, based on every action having an equal and opposite reaction, is a black hole, which explains the big bang to begin with. I think we're going to see our endpoint being the same as our startpoint when this goes down.

Mayan calendar predicts an age of great enlightenment, not destruction. A little research into your proposed doomsday date would serve you well.
lengould100
1 / 5 (1) Mar 31, 2010
"I don't know the same things you don't know" used to be the common bond of everyone in simpler times. in these days of widespread access to virtually unlimited information, it's changed to "The things I know are not the same things you know" which is fracturing us into tiny societies of one.
shockr
1 / 5 (2) Mar 31, 2010
Mayan calendar predicts an age of great enlightenment, not destruction. A little research into your proposed doomsday date would serve you well.


Skeptic, I don't think Fekarah was foretelling 'doomsday'. In fact, "New age of man" sounds a bit opposite to me.

I personally think we're going to see Kurzweil's Technological Singularity start to take off around this time.
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Mar 31, 2010
Skeptic, I don't think Fekarah was foretelling 'doomsday'. In fact, "New age of man" sounds a bit opposite to me.

I personally think we're going to see Kurzweil's Technological Singularity start to take off around this time.

So you missed the point where he said our end would be due to this, did you?
jevchance
not rated yet Mar 31, 2010
Honestly, do you think a physics web site is the best place to find naysayers and skeptics?
shockr
not rated yet Mar 31, 2010
Exactly my point jevchance. I took Fekarah's comment about the endpoint being the same as the startpoint; as being a sort of ouroborus statement.

Maybe the fractal nature of the universe?
kraisar
5 / 5 (2) Mar 31, 2010
Hmm... the LHC will run at 14TeV sometime after 2011... so... 2012.

Hmm... Mayans and the new age of man.

In all seriousness, I think the entire universe, based on every action having an equal and opposite reaction, is a black hole, which explains the big bang to begin with. I think we're going to see our endpoint being the same as our startpoint when this goes down.


Ignoring the fact that nothing earth-shattering will happen in 2012, the LHC is going to be offline that year to finish some upgrades and it won't be up until 2013.
kenrichards64
not rated yet Mar 31, 2010
Well now were locked in the branch of parallel universes that have performed the 7TEV collision, Lets roll the dice quick at 14TEV so we know the final answer again. and to all you party poopers:Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who.
JayK
1 / 5 (1) Mar 31, 2010
I believe this link is appropriate here: http://thepoorman...warming/
So far this thread is only two firefoxes. Better get cracking to get higher than that on an awesomeness scale.
Mercury_01
1 / 5 (5) Mar 31, 2010
You dorks are all gloating, but I dont remember anyone saying that a black hole would destroy the earth THE DAY ITS CREATED! Bunch of children in here...
Fekarah
1 / 5 (2) Mar 31, 2010
I've done quite a bit of research. This one of many prophecies states that new age of man is brought on by enlightenment through ether -- the unseen. I never mentioned anything of destruction. Merely a great cyclical end and the start point at a new zero.

Mayan calendar predicts an age of great enlightenment, not destruction. A little research into your proposed doomsday date would serve you well.


I don't think collisions will cause a black hole that will destroy Earth. We'd have to be using a lot more energy to get something theoretical like that to happen.

I do theorize that our big bang is the result of another dimension's black hole, and our entire dimension is the result of that. Therefor, we are product of a great universal cycle.

You dorks are all gloating, but I dont remember anyone saying that a black hole would destroy the earth THE DAY ITS CREATED! Bunch of children in here...

Fekarah
not rated yet Mar 31, 2010
Thanks for getting to what I was alluding.

Exactly my point jevchance. I took Fekarah's comment about the endpoint being the same as the startpoint; as being a sort of ouroborus statement.

Maybe the fractal nature of the universe?

Ant
not rated yet Mar 31, 2010
maybe a future black hole or disaster could be called overconfidence.
bernards
4.5 / 5 (2) Apr 01, 2010
from bernards to AndyGordon:

We must be very concerned if a black hole is created by the CERN collider. Look what happened to Stephen Hawking! I suspect he is in the process of being sucked into the black hole he has created himself. It would be terrible if that happens to me, or you, or Swiss citizens. Don't you think so?

AndyGordon (3/30):
Who gives a shit - if a black hole forms and we all get sucked into it, we won't care anyways because we'll be too busy looking for something to grab onto, and by then it'll be all over. Enjoy it while your still alive, heck, they might even discover something incredible. This is the next step of action into future discovery. We either move on, or stop here because it's too dangerous. And if we stop here, then whats the point of living anyways? Wake up everyday, drive to the office, drink your coffee.. thats it. nothing else. We need to move forward. We've been moving forward for 6 billion years
Bloodoflamb
5 / 5 (4) Apr 01, 2010
Well now were locked in the branch of parallel universes that have performed the 7TEV collision, Lets roll the dice quick at 14TEV so we know the final answer again. and to all you party poopers:Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who.

Oh my. Wasn't expecting to see a Monty Python reference, haha.
physpuppy
5 / 5 (3) Apr 01, 2010
@Bloodoflamb: well nobody expects the LHC Inquisition either!
Caliban
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 01, 2010
@bonkers,
A crack up. Thanks. Glad I went without my usual hyperstrength coffee today.
brant
Apr 02, 2010
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hudres
1 / 5 (1) Apr 02, 2010
Hey PHYSORG COPYREADERS: the correct spelling is
"teraelectronvolts"
gort
not rated yet Apr 03, 2010
whats interesting is we still don't know what the universe is. something from nothing? a pos/neg "disturbance" which also equals nothing, is it all something from nothing? and ,,, where exactly is this nothing?
k_m
1.6 / 5 (7) Apr 03, 2010
The black hole has been created. It expanded and engulfed our universe instantaneously. We look into deep space and the cosmic bacground radiation is the event horizon.
"Everything is moving away from us" is not entirely true: in fact, we are at the center and are being pulled away from everything else. But since we are the center, it appears that everything is receeding from us.

Or at least that's what happened here, nearly 14 billion years ago.
Szkeptik
1 / 5 (3) Apr 03, 2010
If this machine is working with energies that were present at the Big Bang wouldn't it be awesome if we accidentally created a universe? I think that would be sweet. Becoming God sounds cool.
Caliban
Apr 03, 2010
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High_Evolutionary
5 / 5 (1) Apr 03, 2010
Fear of the unknown again causes irrationality as researching the origins can produce enlightenment. I welcome the unknown because I overcame my fear of enlightenment...
eric_in_chicago
not rated yet Apr 03, 2010
Personally, I am looking forward to our being sucked into a black hole. Didn't you guys see the movie? Jeez...
rjhuntington
not rated yet Apr 04, 2010
There's no black hole! It's just lots of fun to smash things together to see what happens. Boys experiment this way all the time. Girls enjoy it too. It's fun!
fhtmguy
3 / 5 (4) Apr 04, 2010
This could be the 3rd or 4th or 100th time a civilization has ramped up power on an atom smasher that then created another universe. Maybe that's why we haven't been contacted by aliens because they blew themselves up and we are just an outcome of their experiment. Or maybe aliens are watching us and will swoop in when we get to close to blowing up the universe. Or maybe we should just relax and let science do some great work! I like living too but I like technology and the advancement of the human race. Remember, our existance is actually the universe becoming aware of itself. we must continue to ask questions and find the answers or life as we know it has already died anyway. Grab a Mich Ultra and enjoy the spring!
BobK
2 / 5 (4) Apr 05, 2010
Here is the Psycology of the issue...
Prehistoric man played with fire - he got burnt.

Couple of crazy guys get in a flying machine - they get killed and a few on the ground.

Nuclear reactor blow up? - couple thousand people get killed.

CERN blows up (figuratively) humanity gets killed.

The scope of science has expanded at a frightening pace. From Genetic corn that won't produce seeds (to keep the company rolling in bucks) to accelerators that "could" suck the earth into a black hole.

I have no initials after my name but I can see how society is reacting and perhaps it is time we all took a deep breath and re-think some of our choices?

Fools rush in where angles fear to tread!
Cheerio
5 / 5 (1) Apr 05, 2010
You know what's going to happen, in 2012? Neither do I, but here's what I *think* will happen: a lot of people are going to get scared, due to media hype, misinformation, and the works of the *fiction* author Zecharia Sitchin, and the nonsensical ramblings of Nancy Lieder.

These poor sods will get all worked up, and might even congregate somewhere, but really? The only cataclysm that will happen will be a result of either war, or the collective idiocy of these gullible sheeple.

In short, NOTHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2012! I doubt there will even be anything significant at *all*.

Can your desk calendar predict the future? Neither can mine. Thank you for playing, but you're delusional.
El_Nose
not rated yet Apr 05, 2010
well you could always think of it like this -- the calendar in general if based on the birth of Christ is already about 4 years off to the positive... at least what i learned in grade school -- so 2012 was really a couple years ago and as scared as we all were at Isreal bombing Lebanon a nuclear war did not happen.
seneca
1 / 5 (3) Apr 05, 2010
.. a lot of people are going to get scared, due to media hype, misinformation..
Nope, due the LHC experiments. All the rest is just a consequence of it. Now the question is, whether people are willing to pay for to be scared, if they don't get any progress? LHC experiments will not have usage in another fifty years, if we have no usage for any particle from colliders, prepared during last seventy years. In another way, we are paying by fear for useless experiments, done only for few irresponsible scientists, wanting to keep their jobs.

Let me compute pros & negs for a while...
Skeptic_Heretic
3 / 5 (2) Apr 05, 2010
Nope, due the LHC experiments. All the rest is just a consequence of it. Now the question is, if people are willing to pay to be scared, if they don't get any progress. LHC experiments will not have usage in another fifty years, if we have no usage for any particle from colliders, prepared during last seventy years. In another way, we are paying by fear for useless experiments, done only for few irresponsible scientists, wanting to keep their jobs.

Let me count for a while...

Utter nonsense. We're already reaping reward from collisions performed at the RHIC last year. We've developed new methods of thought and new hypotheses based on low energy LHC collisions.

In short, what are you on?
seneca
1 / 5 (3) Apr 05, 2010
"You" developed anything useful. I developed hundreds of ideas during last five years without single experiment and aditional cost expressed in money - just by combining previous knowledge.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 05, 2010
The only people creating fear are those that are misusing science and telling people to be afraid of LHC.

By the way, aren't you supposed to be out carrying a sign in front of CERN, seneca? Why are you wasting time posting when you could be protesting?
Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (2) Apr 05, 2010
"You" developed anything useful. I developed hundreds of ideas during last five years without single experiment and aditional cost expressed in money - just by combining previous knowledge.

The spork was invented before you came up with the idea.
mayan
1 / 5 (2) Apr 06, 2010
The faulty start up of the LHC and failure of the tokamac type fusion experiment @ someother place is due to the use of Indian equipment , they mug-up and practice the subject model papers and write IIT and IIM entrance exams and the competition is very dirty and unhealthy.
seneca
1 / 5 (2) Apr 09, 2010
Why are you wasting time posting when you could be protesting?

I do prefer to spread arguments against LHC safety, rather the blind protests.
brant
1 / 5 (2) Apr 26, 2010
If anybody has read the story of John Titor, the time traveler, you would know that one of the predictions from the future, is that mini blackholes from the LHC experiment are what makes time travel possible.

If this happens then his story is true.