Federal oil, gas leases stall over bird concerns in US West

March 26, 2016 by Matthew Brown
Federal oil, gas leases stall over bird concerns in US West
In this Monday, Feb. 9, 2015, file photo, sage grouse gather on the prairie near Pinedale, Wyo. Concerns over a bird ranging across the American West continue to delay federal oil and gas lease sales five months after officials said they'd found a way to balance drilling and conservation. The Interior Department said it will defer the sale of almost 60,000 acres of leases in Montana as it works on policies to protect the habitat of greater sage grouse. That work is expected to take several more months. (Alan Rogers/The Casper Star-Tribune via AP, File)

Concerns over a bird that ranges across the American West continue to delay federal oil and gas lease sales, five months after Interior Secretary Sally Jewell proclaimed the Obama administration had found a way to balance drilling and conservation.

The Interior Department said it will defer the sale of almost 60,000 acres of leases that were nominated by companies in eastern Montana as the agency works on new policies for greater sage grouse.

More than 8 million acres of leases previously were deferred in Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming. It remains unclear when those will be freed up for sales or removed from consideration.

Jewell said in September that Endangered Species Act protections were not needed for the grouse, a chicken-sized bird that inhabits sage brush ecosystems spread across 11 Western states. Grouse numbers declined significantly over the past several decades because of the loss of habitat.

Officials said the decision to forgo protections avoided the need for draconian restrictions on drilling, livestock grazing and other activities that help drive the region's economy.

It followed a sweeping overhaul of federal public plans to limit drilling near grouse breeding areas and allowing oil and gas exploration to proceed elsewhere.

Federal oil, gas leases stall over bird concerns in US West
In this April 22, 2015, file photo, a male sage grouse struts in the early morning hours on a leak outside Baggs, Wyo. Concerns over a bird ranging across the American West continue to delay federal oil and gas lease sales five months after officials said they'd found a way to balance drilling and conservation. The Interior Department said it will defer the sale of almost 60,000 acres of leases in Montana as it works on policies to protect the habitat of greater sage grouse. That work is expected to take several more months. (Dan Cepeda/The Casper Star-Tribune via AP, File)

The U.S. Bureau of Land Management still is crafting policies to put those plans into effect, agency spokesman Al Nash said. Completion of that work is several months away, he said.

A lawsuit challenging the plans as too weak is pending in U.S. District Court in Idaho. Environmental groups behind the lawsuit contend the land plans are riddled with loopholes that could further drive down the bird's numbers.

Erik Molvar with WildEarth Guardians said the block on new leases over the past several years—coupled with low oil and gas prices—was doing more to protect grouse than any other factor.

But state officials who applauded Jewell's September announcement said there's no need to delay any longer on those sales.

"Leasing falls short of development," said Tim Baker, natural resources adviser to Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, a Democrat. He added that any concerns could be addressed before drilling occurs, by adding conditions to leases before they are issued.

Montana Petroleum Association executive director Alan Olson said the lease deferrals represent "more excuses" to block development on public lands.

The Bureau of Land Management was moving forward with plans to sell leases on as many as 93 parcels totaling almost 20,100 acres during an Oct. 18 auction. Those are outside sage brush habitat, but had been deferred until the land management plans were completed, Nash said.

"Each respective plan talks at great length about the need for us to address concerns about the habitat," he said. "But the guidance we're going to get goes into detail on how we move forward."

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gkam
1 / 5 (6) Mar 26, 2016

Does Willie see how oil is killing our birds?

We will rid ourselves of this nasty stuff as soon as we can.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Mar 26, 2016
The troll "ira" gave me a one. I guess he is in favor of oil and gas ruining our environment.

We get all kinds here, . . .
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 26, 2016
The troll "ira" gave me a one. I guess he is in favor of oil and gas ruining our environment.
Naa, not really. I am in favor of you explaining why you wonder about Willie-Skippy when he ain't even here yet? And explaining why you ask us about what Willie-Skippy sees.

We get all kinds here, . . .
Yeah we do.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Mar 26, 2016
Life is a big mystery to those who only see it from one perspective. I suggest you get out of your rut and look at he world and how it works. It may not be the way you imagine.

I think this may be a convenient way to get us off the Petroleum Treadmill. Sustaining eleven Naval Carrier Groups will not be necessary if we make our own fuels.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
Life is a big mystery to those who only see it from one perspective. I suggest you get out of your rut and look at he world and how it works. It may not be the way you imagine.

I think this may be a convenient way to get us off the Petroleum Treadmill. Sustaining eleven Naval Carrier Groups will not be necessary if we make our own fuels.


I think you get lost again Cher. That comment just don't fit the context of the discussion so far. What do aircraft carriers got to do with you wondering if Willie-Skippy (who is not even in this conversation) sees something?

Oh yeah, I almost forget. Did you take an extra stupid pill this morning? You need to cut down on those, or get someone to check over your stuffs before you push the "Postum" button.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
" What do aircraft carriers got to do with, . . "
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It's really complicated: When we get off the Petroleum Teat, we will not need to guard the Oil Lanes any more.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
" What do aircraft carriers got to do with, . . "
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It's really complicated: When we get off the Petroleum Teat, we will not need to guard the Oil Lanes any more.


If you think the only reason for all those aircraft carriers is guarding "Oil Lanes" you are even dumber than usual. I am sure that makes a good new-agey bumper sticker. But it is right up there with Palin's "Drill Baby Drill" in the foolishment department.

So you think the U.S. will quit trying to be the world's policeman if we just quit using oil? Cher, would you by any chance be interesting in buying this bridge I know about in Brooklyn? Non? Well how about one over San Fransisco Bay?
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Mar 26, 2016
Hey, look up from that muddy water and see how many we need to guard the oil lanes, including the ones in port for restocking/overhaul, which doubles the number we need.

Your need to find something in error is driving you to silly statements.
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (4) Mar 26, 2016
Hey, look up from that muddy water and see how many we need to guard the oil lanes, including the ones in port for restocking/overhaul, which doubles the number we need.

Look up from that new-agey blog and see how many they will have regardless of whether we use oil. If we found a magic way to substitute air for oil, they would still have the same number of aircraft carriers to police the world.

Your need to find something in error is driving you to silly statements.
Non Cher, your need to find a way of writing so many silly statements, slogans, wisdoms or whatever it is you call them makes you the object of ridicule, derision and great big fun. There is a much bigger picture than is described with your silly slogans and broadbrushes.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
"If we found a magic way to substitute air for oil, they would still have the same number of aircraft carriers to police the world.
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Nope. All of them have particular duties and we need something like six for patrolling the oil lanes, counting those in port for refurbishing and restocking. I know being on a towboat makes you real smart, but the active-duty blue-water Navy has more experience in these things.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
All of them have particular duties and we need something like six for patrolling the oil lanes, counting those in port for refurbishing and restocking.
Well now Skippy, I suppose you can tell us exactly what these "oil lanes" are? Exactly what the aircraft carriers are doing to "patrol" them?

"we need something like six" sure doesn't sound like a convincing argument. It sounds like some elderly hippy trying to sound like he actually knows about stuffs he is clueless on.

I know being on a towboat makes you real smart,
What does than have to do with whether or not we would reduce the number of aircraft carriers if we did not "need to patrol the Oil Lanes"?

but the active-duty blue-water Navy has more experience in these things.
I would certainly hope they do. And a lot more experience in these things than an elderly hippy who is regretting he hasn't keep up with the real world (beyond reading new-agey blogs and the occasional plagiarized slogan.)
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
Well now Skippy, I suppose you can tell us exactly what these "oil lanes" are? Exactly what the aircraft carriers are doing to "patrol" them?
@Ira
yeah... good luck... maybe he will send you a copy of his business card to prove he is real again?

i sent him a copy of my FD patch (i sent you a copy via e-mail too)
still trying to figure out how it makes his argument from stupidity more legitimate though

what i want to know is: what are the sources he is using to justify his argument about the US Navy?

maybe he was using his sono-bouy's, sonar or super-duper radio to listen in to their classified secrets when he heard the Scorpoin sink?

Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
what i want to know is: what are the sources he is using to justify his argument about the US Navy?


Well Captain-Skippy it is hard to tell. But considering his record of thinking slogans are science and new-agey activist blogs are a source of unbiased information, I can make good guess.

It probably can be traced back to a Skippy named Vinod Khosla. He got mad at 60 Minutes and wrote them a letter about this stuffs. That letter got passed all over the interweb by the new-agey bloggers and like all such stuffs, after while peoples quit fact checking him and just presented his letter as truth. He started off pretty good, he was in on the ground floor of Sun Microsystems, the Java-Skippys. He got weirder and weirder as he got older and older (sort of like glam-Skippy maybe?). Now he is considered a crankpot and new-agey malcontent.

I'm back, I left long enough to find his 60 Minutes letter. http://www.khosla...-and-cbs
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
"i sent him a copy of my FD patch "

No, you didn't. But don't bother, I have the stuff from my dad.

"Well now Skippy, I suppose you can tell us exactly what these "oil lanes" are? Exactly what the aircraft carriers are doing to "patrol" them?"

Look them up, Uncle Wiki.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
"i sent him a copy of my FD patch "

No, you didn't. But don't bother, I have the stuff from my dad.

"Well now Skippy, I suppose you can tell us exactly what these "oil lanes" are? Exactly what the aircraft carriers are doing to "patrol" them?"

Look them up, Uncle Wiki.


I am shocked. I was so sure you knew what you talking about. I'll take that as "I am smart even when I am wrong because I have experience and you are a goober even when you are right because you are a goober".
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
"For more than 40 years, the U.S. security presence in the region has been rooted in one reality: It is where our oil comes from. The need to keep the oil flowing has meant U.S. administrations cozy up to Saudi Arabia. It has meant the U.S. military keeps aircraft carriers stationed around the Gulf. And it has meant a U.S. willingness to go to war to keep oil shipping lanes open, a position first enunciated by President Jimmy Carter."

http://www.npr.or...rts-drop
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
"For more than 40 years,


Nice try glam-Skippy. That is an op-ed article and just a tad biased, eh Cher? Sure they look after the sea lanes, but it is not all about oil. It's about NATO, SEATO, Israel, Iran, Egypt, China, Russia, Somali pirates, Malaysian pirates, and North Korea, Syria, Kenya and the Congo and everybody else who's business we make our business. Oil is just ONE excuse.

I am all for downsizing our military commitments the whole world over. But I don't see that happening in the present state of the world. I don't want to be the world's policeman. What you are pushing is the same as the "ban the bomb" movement from when you were my age? How's that going? Think you will live to be old enough to see that happen? We are almost there, just 50 more years, and it's done? I still have that bridge to sell.

The real world is not in your new-agey blogs Cher, you really need to get out more, or at least read stuffs from the "other tribes"
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
"rooted in one reality: It is where our oil comes from"
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Are you just a chatbot?
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
"rooted in one reality: It is where our oil comes from"
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Are you just a chatbot?
Coming from a person who only has slogans and broad brushes and can never be bothered with the details and nuances that is really impressive.

It is not where OUR oil comes from. A dedicated over emotional activist like you should know that. If you want to play the great activist AND the great engineer, you got study more. How much gas and oil does the U.S. produce? How much does the U.S. consume? It's not OUR oil supplies we are guarding, it's India's, Europe's, Australia's, Japan's and everybody else's oil.

Guarding oil is a minor task of the Navy. Making our presence known and felt is the entire rationale behind having such a large navy. You don't even know what the disposition of our fleet is, do you? You just thought were smart enough to make up stuffs again because you have "experience" and everybody else is just goobers who can't know anything.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
No, you didn't
@liar-kam
yes i did. that is a real patch designed by me and made into shirts & patches for a select group that requested it (trademark pending, protected under copywrite)
But don't bother, I have the stuff from my dad
Oh, so now you're a firefighter too?
WOW... i didn't know!

maybe you can share some of your vast knowledge about that, like why Dalmations are considered "fire dogs"?

maybe you can share what the Maltese Cross means and why most US firefighters use it?

Better still, you can answer this: if Hydrogen is a flammable gas and Oxygen is an oxidizer, what in water puts out fire?

here is some on topic: how do you lay down a foam blanket to walk through a fuel fire?
what about Fog patterns? why are they used?
Why don't US FF's use fog more often when fighting fires in homes?
how does water put out fire?
How can you use water on an Oil or fuel fire effectively?

LOL
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
What does that have to do with oil leases? And thanks for demonstrating how you take a little statement and masticate and pervert it onto something false.

In my home town we had a volunteer fire department, of which my dad was a member and president, not Fire Chief. He had real badges and testimonies, not just a big mouth like you. Your "fire truck" is probably like your guns - I saw your semi-automatic staple gun.

What Trumpy does not tell you is how the military only puts Mental Group ones into electronics, but they use Mental Group fours in fire tucks. Really.

Now, let us end your fixation on "getting even" for me being a real person, while you are just some kid hiding in the woods, and admit it.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
@liar-kam
what does ANYTHING in your post have to do with oil leases? nothing

so what if your town has Volly's... almost all of the fire departments and FF's in the US are Volly's. it is a tradition and position of honour.

The question you should ask is: why denigrate one for the same actions (and a lot more) that your own father did?

are you so full of stupidity and hate that you can't see that you are attacking your own father too?
LMFAO

i don't care how "real" you think you are... you've already proven to be a chronic compulsive LIAR here on phys.org, and that is a FACT, not opinion

so lets stop the personal attacks and character assassination, liar-kam, and stick to the topic, ok?
LOL
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
Too late, Trumpy. You abused me and now will pay the price. Laugh and mock if you want. You put my personal information on the internet for folk to steal my identity, and no other reason. The wheels of justice grind slowly, . ,. but finely.

No threats, just an observation. I think you will rue the day you let your pathetic emotions loose to attack real folk.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
You abused me and now will pay the price
@liar-kam
fascinating: so, when i tried to help you i was ok, but when i pointed out you made a mistake on your posts in THz, you got pissed and i "abused you"... so you turned on me and considered me an enemy...so...in the future - can i quote you on that?
https://www.psych...ttle-ego

You put my personal information on the internet for folk to steal my identity, and no other reason
Um... no, YOU put it there by accepting the terms and conditions of the agreement between us
AND you failed to redact your personal identifying info as i told you to do in am e-mail
regardless of how slowly the wheels of justice grind, you have absolutely NO claim to anything other than stupidity on that one
No threats, just an observation
usually when someone says this, they mean exactly the opposite, especially considering that you posted overt threats
LOL
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
No threats, just an observation
just a key point that you may want to consider

the threats of litigation can go both ways
especially if you actually try to pursue this in a court of law, because your actions posted in a public forum have no "right to privacy"

regardless of free speech, your "threats" and other comments are left on the internet (not just here) as a means of evidence and justification of criminal activity, be it your continued terroristic threatening through use and abuse of the legal system (AKA- bullying) or your other subtle threats to make people "pay the price" by you wanting to know about their "real" identity or locations

you have mine, liar-kam
feel free to exercise your right to freedom of movement and visit instead of threaten from afar like a drug crazed addled geriatric looney coward who claims PTSD for listening to the radio and watching other people who went to combat from your barstool
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
You abused me and now will pay the price.
Hooyeei, I sure wish this couyon would quit selling the wolf tickets et laissez les bons temps rouler.

Laugh and mock if you want.
Merci beaucoup for that Cher, I think I will if I did not already.

You put my personal information on the internet for folk to steal my identity, and no other reason.
He put the information on the interweb for "folk" see what a couyon you are. As if we all did not already have a really good idea about that.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, ,but finely.
I sure wish you would grease those wheels so they would grind a little more faster. At this rate I will be dead and dust before we get to the good stuffs.

No threats, just an observation
You make mostly goofy observations, eh Cher?

I think you will rue the day you let your pathetic emotions loose to attack real folk.
So far what you think has turned out to be mostly wrong, eh Cher?
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
"you have mine, liar-kam"
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No we do not. You are still hiding your identity, and admitted to me it is because you are SCARED of something or someone.

Okay who are you? Why do you HIDE from the Decent Folk? Of whom are you SO SCARED?

I am real, and proved it. You are just an abusive troll who will eventually get put out of business.

Now, what does being a hose-folder have to do with the field of energy and the environment?

Nothing?

Oh, . . . .
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
"see what a couyon you are"
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OH, NO!!!

Not THAT!

Anything but being called some silly name by an internet troll too SCARED to identify himself!!

It is too much! I give up, you goobers won.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Mar 27, 2016
No we do not
@liar-kam
i sent it to you, and i can prove that - shall i post it to PB like the rest proving you're a liar?
LOL
i think i might, after i redact the personal info of mine
You are still hiding your identity
no i am not, otherwise you wouldn't know about my auto staple gun

so, i've proven you an idiot and a trolling chronic lying POS
I am real, and proved it. You are just an abusive troll who will eventually get put out of business

now, what does ANY of your OT rants about yourself have to do with the field of energy and the environment?

Oh wait... NOTHING! LOL
but it's ok for you to rant about yourself because you're an attention whore
LMFAO

hey liar-kam?
if you're so smart and have such broad experience, how come you don't know anything about the basics like THz, nuke safety or how the military keeps classified operations actually classified?

just wondering, eh?
LMFAO
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
"no i am not, otherwise you wouldn't know about my auto staple gun"
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Okay, who are you?

Or are you too SCARED to tell us?

SCARED of a phony like me? You have GUNS, otto/Trumpy, real GUNS, to protect you from the Decent Folk. Isn't that enough? How about if I promise to not go see you?

I promise to not hurt you like you were hurt in the past, making you too scared to get out of hiding. Come on, . . you can do it. Just be BRAVE, . . or pretend to be.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
"see what a couyon you are"
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OH, NO!!!

Not THAT!
OH YEAH THAT!

Anything but being called some silly name by an internet troll too SCARED to identify himself!!
Don't matter whether you get called it or not, calling it is me just being superfluous. It's obvious from day one here Cher.

It is too much!
Well, would not say it too much, it has been real big fun.

I give up,
Peoples with your sort of mental conditions never give up. So that is just a lie.

you goobers won.
Now you are the one being superfluous,,, we been winning all along Cher. You are really stupid, so you hope nobody has noticed that.

But I got know one thing Cher? Are you also really so stupid you can not think of anything smarter to keep saying like "I beat you"-"I am real"-"you are SCARED"-"wiki solder" or any of the same lame thing you keep saying? Use your "Senior Engineer" imagination for something more witty or smart.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (4) Mar 27, 2016
Okay, who are you?
@liar-kam
Oh wait... i DID post it to PB already, it was just too redacted to read!
I shall include a better copy, with more info: http://s1027.phot...p;page=1

PW= VALIDATE

so again, i am NOT anonymous, moron!
LMFAO
you are just illiterate!
LMFAO

(- note the wording of the unredacted message sent specifically states that you can't actually post any of the private information without violating the law... that's just one reason why you are going to lose your court case, BTW)
SCARED of a phony like me?
if i was worried about you, i would not have sent you a map to my house and i wouldn't continue to prove you're a chronic lying POS troll here
I promise to not hurt you like you were hurt in the past
sorry g... i am straight
you gonna have to go hire a prostitute for those jollies
i don't swing your way
How about if I promise to not go see you?
like i care if you try?
LMFAO
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
If you are not SO SCARED, who are you, really?

These seems to be a direct relationship between folk who are too SCARED to reveal themselves, and the nasty sniping and character assassination here.

Unable to debate science, you adolescents keep to personal attacks. I guess that is what you can do, with limited schooling, experience, and only a wiki to depend on, . .
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
If you are not SO SCARED, who are you, really?
Liar-kam
ok... i can't keep it from you, so i might as well confess: i am jesus
yeah... the one who died on the cross and was resurrected so that kids can find brightly coloured hard-boiled and plastic eggs with chocolate surprises in them

you can keep my secret, right?
http://crazyhyena...dead.jpg

Unable to debate science
you mean like i trounced you all over PO?
http://phys.org/n...ess.html

http://phys.org/n...rse.html

http://phys.org/n...ich.html

... but we can't debate science?
your biggest problem is that you can't validate your claims!
LMFAO

so lets stop with the character assassination and personal attacks, goergie-girl!
your nasty sniping is hurting PO and the science education with your limited schooling, experience, and LIES
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
Unable to debate science, keep to personal attacks.
Cher, it is how you opened the debate when you got here, from day one.

I guess that is what you can do, with limited schooling, experience, and only a wiki to depend on, . .
You keep saying that too.But Cher, think about it. Shouldn't you be really embarrassed that a goober like that has to school you on the subjects you pretend to be "experienced" with?

I try to tell you from the start, you don't know what I know and what I don't know either, and that give me the BIG ADVANTAGE. So far I have corrected dozens of times in your areas of pretended "expertise" wrong,mostly really elementary stuffs too.

Cher, you are just a tired silly old man who is past his time. Now is not the time for you to try to make up for all things you "wish you were". Too late for that. It is not 1965 or 1975 or even 1985 anymore, there are peoples here that know a lot more than you ever did. Deal with it.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
you adolescents keep to personal attacks
@liar-kam
like this?
If you are not SO SCARED, who are you, really?
you adolescents keep to personal attacks. I guess that is what you can do, with limited schooling, experience, and only a wiki to depend on
I promise to not hurt you like you were hurt in the past, making you too scared to get out of hiding
you goobers
I think you will rue the day you let your pathetic emotions loose
now will pay the price
the military only puts Mental Group ones into electronics, but they use Mental Group fours in fire tucks
you are just some kid hiding in the woods
BTW - i will pit my ASVAB scores against your scores any day of the week!

so lets stop with the character assassination and personal attacks, goergie-girl!
your nasty sniping is hurting PO and the science education with your limited schooling, experience, and LIES
gkam
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 27, 2016
" i will pit my ASVAB scores against your scores any day of the week!"
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Oh good! Send a scan of that certificate for me. I will vouch for you.

"LMFAO"?? Get that clever comeback in High School?

Still in it?

Reveal yourself, Toots, or just admit you are too SCARED to face up to your own comments.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Mar 27, 2016
You do understand that it reveals more about your character than mine
i think it is far more telling about your ineptitude than anything else, considering that i am not anonymous

but hey, you believe what you want. it is common in D-K affected fragile brittle ego's like your own
see also: https://www.psych...ttle-ego

Reveal yourself, Toots
learn to use the internet, moron, or jsut admit you are too stupid to actually figure out how to do a basic search and face up to your own comments which prove you to be a chronic lying POS uneducated fraud

Hey, thanks for making my daily threats funnier today, i needed it!
gonna leave for a while and go eat some Kosher ham to celebrate my rising from the dead, so keep on threatening, i will get back to you later, ok?

thanks!

Oh, and don't forget: you need to send your lawyers my map too!
i can't wait to meet you in court!
should be fun!
LMFAO
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (3) Mar 27, 2016
And this Skippy calls peoples on the physorg goobers. And he is always telling peoples that they should postum their stuffs on the tweeter, if you don't have time to read the linkum, don't fret, you have heard the EXACT same wise witty technical debating from him here on the physorg.

https://disqus.com/by/gkam/

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