Fewer Americans now pray, believe in God, new study reports

March 21, 2016

The percentage of Americans who prayed or believed in God reached an all-time low in 2014, according to new research led by San Diego State University psychology professor Jean M. Twenge.

A research team that included Ryne Sherman from Florida Atlantic University and Julie J. Exline and Joshua B. Grubbs from Case Western Reserve University analyzed data from 58,893 respondents to the General Social Survey, a nationally representative survey of U.S. adults administered between 1972 and 2014. Five times as many Americans in 2014 reported that they never prayed as did Americans in the early 1980s, and nearly twice as many said they did not believe in God.

Americans in recent years were less likely to engage in a wide variety of religious practices, including attending religious services, describing oneself as a religious person, and believing that the Bible is divinely inspired, with the biggest declines seen among 18- to 29-year-old respondents. The results were published today in the journal Sage Open.

"Most previous studies concluded that fewer Americans were publicly affiliating with a religion, but that Americans were just as religious in private ways. That's no longer the case, especially in the last few years," said Twenge, who is also the author of the book, "Generation Me." "The large declines in among young adults are also further evidence that Millennials are the least religious generation in memory, and possibly in American history."

This decline in religious practice has not been accompanied by a rise in spirituality, which, according to Twenge, suggests that, rather than spirituality replacing religion, Americans are becoming more secular. The one exception to the decline in religious beliefs was a slight increase in belief in the afterlife.

"It was interesting that fewer people participated in religion or prayed but more believed in an afterlife," Twenge said. "It might be part of a growing entitlement mentality - thinking you can get something for nothing."

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cardzeus
1.9 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
One of the worst articles - numbers have diminished - but by how much? "Twice as many said they didn't believe in God" is meaningless unless you know how many that is...
greenonions
4.6 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
cardzeus - there use to be 5 of us, now there are 9 (they rounded up). Hey - progress is progress right?
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
5 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2016
greenonions: You jest, I thought you were discussing percentages.

cardzeus: I couldn't find the paper in SAGE yet. (But there was a similar paper with a lot larger statistics in PLOS ONE 2015: http://journals.p....0121454 .) But I found the press release at SDSU ( http://newscenter...id=76091 )and then a pdf that seems to be it (SAGE, in press): http://psy2.fau.e...5-16.pdf

"Similarly, those who said they were "not religious at all" increased from 15% in 1998
to 20% in 2014 among all adults (a 33% increase), and from 23% in 1998 to 28% in 2014
among 18-to-29-year-olds (a 22% increase)."

Belief in magic: "these responses were combined into "Do not
believe in God" in Tables 1 and 2). By 2014, however, 22% expressed doubts, a 69% increase.
Among 18- to 29-year-olds, 30% had serious doubts by 2014, more than twice as many as in
the late 1980s (12%)."
julianpenrod
1.4 / 5 (11) Mar 21, 2016
Among other things, it can be asked why some individuals deny the presence of God. Is it because these people, who can't place the United States on a map of the world, make an incisive, thoughtful decision? Or is it only that they want to be free of any expectations of decency, so they can pursue their degenerate choices? A philosophy based only on "validating" the desired "principle" that you are necessarily the only one who matters. Note that all of these engage in drug use, carry out mindless sexual depravities, support abortion by craven whim. Interestingly, why don't they accept that God is present and tell themselves that he approves of those actions? Because they know they are depraved and they know God is present and lobotomize themselves into thinking He is not to "get around" it. Like those who claim God is not present, then write His name with a lowercase "g", to spite someone they declare is not present!
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
5 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
So ~1/5 of US citizens and ~1/3 of its youth couldn't give a toss about their parent's magic beliefs.

This normalization towards European/East Asian behavior has been reported elsewhere too.

Enlightenment progress.
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
5 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
@jp: It can be asked, but it hasn't much to do with the article.

Before such a discussion though you need to present evidence for your claims, or there is no discussion to be had.

[No one 'denies' what isn't, especially in science, there we just don't give a toss about unsubstantiated fantasies. Especially from an old and suspect myth industry. Most people accept what is (facts).

Also, no one gives a toss about your unsubstantiated fantasies about morality. You are a sad case, who can't be bothered to check with statistical facts.

I am from Scandinavia, least religious and making least 'degenerate choices' in the world with few exceptions. Oh, and we are a happy bunch too, with low criminality and a lot less of the social dysfunctionality that plagues nations where people tend to become religious as a response.

As I said´, Enlightenment progress.]
julianpenrod
1.4 / 5 (11) Mar 21, 2016
It should be mentioned, though, the article discusses things like church going and engaging in various ceremonies associated with religions. To begin with, this is not necessarily so true outside the Christian faiths. Too, and this is important, no legitimate acceptance of the presence of God indulges, necessarily, rituals, ceremonies, orseco institutional hierarchy in the system of acceptance. No origin story has the first people created sitting in a pew, holding prayer books. God wants people to be inherently spiritually and intellectually superior in and of themselves, in contact with Him on their own, He does not require a system of ceremonies, or a "religion". By the same token, though, He wants people to be aware of decency and ethics through their own nobility of nature. He has no problem with communications with Him, but does not require ceremony or ritual.
Phys1
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
Among other things, it can be asked why some individuals deny the presence of God. Is it because these people, who can't place the United States on a map of the world, make an incisive, thoughtful decision? Or is it only that they want to be free of any expectations of decency, so they can pursue their degenerate choices? A philosophy based only on "validating" the desired "principle" that you are necessarily the only one who matters. Note that all of these engage in drug use, carry out mindless sexual depravities, support abortion by craven whim. Interestingly, why don't they accept that God is present and tell themselves that he approves of those actions? Because they know they are depraved and they know God is present and lobotomize themselves into thinking He is not to "get around" it. Like those who claim God is not present, then write His name with a lowercase "g", to spite someone they declare is not present!

The Delusion is waning a bit. Good riddance.
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (10) Mar 21, 2016
why some individuals deny the presence of God... an incisive, thoughtful decision?
Naw it's mainly because of the standard bigotry codified into every religion.

You guys love John 3:16 but it's 3:18-21 that exposes your true beliefs. It specifically says that unbelievers are evil. And you know that the old testament is full of it.

And the only reason you aren't overtly expressing and acting upon this bigotry is because you are FORCED to be civil by secular law. If not for that you would be shunning, cleansing, stoning and crucifying as you always do when you are given free reign.

But you express yourselves anyway. Your sermons and your literature are full of it no matter what you say in public. You avoid associating with, doing business with, or living near unbelievers. The more pious you are, the stricter you are.

That's right. Other than that live-forever and give-no-thought-for-the-morrow nonsense, your god-sanctioned bigotry is why we hate your little hobby.
Phys1
5 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
@jp
he wants people to be aware of decency and ethics through their own nobility of nature.

It seems that your god has changed his tone quite dramatically.
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Because they know they are depraved
See? The overwhelming majority of people in prison are religious. Many of them got there by acting on what they learned in Sunday school.
Thirteenth Doctor
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Is it because these people, who can't place the United States on a map of the world, make an incisive, thoughtful decision?


This is the bible belt of America that you have described in perfection.

God wants people to be inherently spiritually and intellectually superior in and of themselves,


You would think, but then there are those ID/Creationist trolls who seem hell bent on anti-intellectualism.

so they can pursue their degenerate choices?


Like when King David sent a man away to war to have his wife? Oh but his heart was with the Lord so all is forgiven.

Thirteenth Doctor
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
He wants people to be aware of decency and ethics through their own nobility of nature.


Maybe he needs to get a hold of his most visible leaders with multi-million dollar churches/lives that fleece the people in their congregation. He should also do something about those Catholic priests.

What's that? He hears and answers your individual prayers but cant rid the filth of his namesake? Wow, he works in mysterious ways indeed.
TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
Like when King David sent a man away to war to have his wife? Oh but his heart was with the Lord so all is forgiven
And jesus forgave Lot for impregnating his daughters.

No action is too depraved if it benefits god. This includes the genocidal Joshuan rampage through the 'holy' land (which never happened), which destroyed over 200 cities, towns and villages (or should have I suppose).

Wonder what happened to Lots children of sin? Vampires? Cathars?
Thirteenth Doctor
4.3 / 5 (11) Mar 21, 2016
This includes the genocidal Joshuan rampage through the 'holy' land (which never happened), which destroyed over 200 cities, towns and villages (or should have I suppose).


They seem perfectly okay with saying that god loved all his creation but made it okay for his "chosen people" to rape and pillage their way to a promised land that was already settled. Sound like an excuse for hostile takeovers.

TheGhostofOtto1923
4.3 / 5 (11) Mar 21, 2016
Too, and this is important, no legitimate acceptance of the presence of God indulges, necessarily, rituals, ceremonies, orseco institutional hierarchy in the system of acceptance
It's funny how the 'personal god' concept allows people like Julian (and David Koresh and Jim jones) to make up their rules and regulations as they see fit.

If you get a good Catholic drunk he would tell you that people like Julian should be stoned.

If you get Julian drunk he would tell you that catholics should be stoned for believing that god has a mother.

And their god would sanction both activities. Such is the 'intellectual superiority' of the standard godder.

BTW I would be rating more but my computer died and my dumbphone won't let me click on stars.
Zzzzzzzz
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
Signs of any reduction in the overall level of delusion in the human population are always welcome. To all those who are still delusional - just remember, you cannot be trusted. There was a time, not so long ago, when people exactly like you hunted and killed people like me. Today, it would only require a slight adjustment to your fragile delusional state to result in a return to that psychotic behavior.
JongDan
1.1 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Note that all of these engage in drug use, carry out mindless sexual depravities, support abortion by craven whim.

Hey man, stop generalizing. I don't care about your phony gOD, yet I'm probably even more disgusted by homosexuals than you are.
MR166
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
Hummm, the US society has never been in worse shape. I wonder if there is, just possibly, some sort of connection? Naw, it couldn't be since religious morals are so unnecessary.

That was sarcasm folks.
greenonions
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2016
Naw, it couldn't be since religious morals are so unnecessary.

But Norway is doing so much better than you guys. It couldn't be - since religious morals are so necessary.

That was sarcasm folks.
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2016
More and more people are breaking out of the medieval mindset and belief in deities. It would be interesting to see how many people who do profess a belief in a deity are deists as opposed to members of an organized religion.
julianpenrod
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Among other things, torbjorn_b_g_larsson recommends providing evidence for statements, yet lets TheGhostofOtto1923 saying the religious would brutalize everyone if they weren't controlled by civil law, that everyone in prison got there by obeying Christian laws and that I make up my own rules. Among other things, note that it was people following rules gotten from accepting the presence of God who made those "civil laws"!
But don't expect an addressing of the truth from such as these. torbjorn_b_g_larsson refusing to admit that the Scandinavia region ranks among the highest in anti depressant use, alcoholism and suicide.
Da Schneib
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2016
It's pretty disgusting that there are people who think everyone needs an imaginary super magic sky daddy to keep them from raping and pillaging. Ethics is sufficient; if everyone around me is just like me, then they want all the things I want, and depriving them of something without cause is just as bad as me being deprived of something without cause. Right there is sufficient data to rule out murder and theft as ethical acts. No imaginary super magic daddies in the sky required.
malapropism
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
@julianpenrod
God wants people to be..., He does not require.... By the same token, though, He wants.... He has no problem with..., but does not require.

You speak for god a lot. Is this because you have a direct phone line to her or is it simply the ulitmate in hubris?
julianpenrod
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Note, too, the insistence on quoting almost exclusively from the Old Testament and using that to condemn Christianity, carefully ignoring that Christ acted to repudiate the Old Testament. Invoking the Old Testament to condemn Christianity even to the point of TheGhostofOtto1923 condemning "the genocidal Joshuan rampage through the 'holy' land", which The GhostofOtto1923 then admits never happened! So similar to denying God is present, then writing His name with a lowercase "g" to spite Him! Spiting someone they insist is not present! As The GhostofOtto1923 does, likewise acting to spite Jesus, too! Then the insistence of such depraved as Da Schnieb to use mocking, contemptuous references to God. If they want to discuss the issue, why don't they refer to God by His name? What does it necessarily serve to resort just to mockery and name calling? That, too, is an outgrowth of an acceptance of God's presence, but a depraved need to be hate filled.
Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Please indicate where any characterization of your deity I made is not factual.

imaginary: if not, show us your deity.
super: has attributes that are superhuman.
magic: performs miracles.
sky: heaven is "in the sky," according to many statements in your magic book, the Babble.
daddy: portrayed multiple times in the Babble as "the father."

The entire idea of a deity is ridiculous; it was rendered so when the question, "Can a deity make a rock so big it can't lift it," was asked. It's a logical impossibility.

Waiting. Contempt is earned, sport.
Da Schneib
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
Oh, and as far as calling the magic book "The Babble," it's just as valid a translation as "The Book." The root of the word is the same as the Roman word for people who spoke a language other than latin, portrayed as saying "bar bar bar" all the time; i.e., bar-bar-ians. In other words, Babel.
julianpenrod
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Why does malapropism not attack those who state baldly, as if they have proof, that God is not present, saying they act with hubris? Because viciousness only goes one way. As for man, if God wanted man only to be a puppet as such, He would not have given man free will. God wants humans to do things and of their own accord. That means God does not necessarily see religious observance as so desirable. It is not necessarily doing anything. Morality based on a high and noble soul, as opposed to mere observance of rules is preferred, among other things since it can react to differing situations immediately. These things are obvious, but don't expect such as malapropism to admit it.
Da Schneib
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 21, 2016
Show us this deity.

Simples.
malapropism
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
why don't they refer to God by His name?

But "God" isn't his/her/its name is it? That's just a label that various religious people use, kind of like a job description for believers.
writing His name with a lowercase "g" to spite Him

No, it's not spite; as you rightly say, it isn't possible to spite something that does not exist.

Firstly, for me, I wouldn't uppercase it because I don't use titles with anyone, whomever it is I am addressing. Names are good enough for all. And since your god doesn't exist, it cannot be offended by my use of a lowercase "g" or anything else. And further, it doesn't matter how I write its label so long as my meaning is taken.

And secondly I wouldn't use a title because this is in some sense placing them at a supposedly higher social stratum than me, and this is untrue for everybody not just me. The only title that would have meaning to me is one that I give to somebody and it is very doubtful that I would ever do that.
julianpenrod
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Da Schnieb calls God "imaginary". That is their claim. Then prove it.
A legitimate translation is a translation that can be proved. The term "Bible" comes from the Greek root "biblio", meaning "book". Those other than Romans were not all called "barbarians" and those who were were not called that because they did not speak Latin. The Romans called certain individuals "barbarians" because they had beards, which, in Latin, are called "barba". The significance of the beard is that, among other things, Romans valued hairless appearances, note how few in statues have beards. The barbarians were considered uncouth. The tendency toward having no facial hair may have come from their being so devoted to military actions and Alexander's recommendation that soldiers grab the beards of opponents, to attack them.
Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
And just to add to that, @malapropism, I see no difference between this monotheistic deity and the deities worshipped by various other cultures like the ancient Greeks, modern day aborigines in the Amazon, or ancient (and some modern) Pacific Islanders, which are called "gods." Giving it a capital letter, like it's a thing requiring a proper noun, is contemptuous of those other cultures. It's exactly what's wrong with the whole religion idea in the first place. It's about being contemptuous of other peoples' religions. And it's totally transparent. And pretty disgusting.

Meanwhile,
Da Schnieb calls God "imaginary". That is their claim. Then prove it.
You seem to have forgotten the rules of logic. It's impossible to prove a negative. That's not very surprising; most religionists abandon logic. It's one of the biggest reasons why I have contempt for them.

Duh.
malapropism
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
That means God does not necessarily see religious observance as so desirable.

Ah. So I am perfectly free not to believe (thanks for that, I appreciate the right). In fact, this is what I choose and according to you, speaking on god's behalf, that's ok. So what's your problem?

By the way, you're putting words in her mouth again.

(This is almost too easy, isn't it? You dangle your bait and you watch 'em bite.)
julianpenrod
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
God is not a title, He uses it as His name. It is at least following the rules of English to use a capital letter for a proper name. It is hate to use a lowercase letter to begin His name. Note that The GhostofOtto1923 uses a lowercase letter to begin the name of Jesus and God, but uses capital letters for Lot and Joshua! That is an act of viciousness. And calling other deities "gods" is actually newer than referring to The Absolute as God. It would be more proper not to do away with the name God but to refer to others as "deities". Note the directed hatred in all these assertions.
Da Schneib
4.6 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
A religious fanatic who hates all other religions is lecturing us about hate.

I love the smell of irony in the evening.
malapropism
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 21, 2016
Why does malapropism ... Because viciousness only goes one way.

Why thank you but no. I regret that I must inform you that I wasn't being vicious, or at least that was not my intent. Slightly sarcastic, I'll admit, but not vicious. I was being mocking.
julianpenrod
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
As is so common among the depraved God haters, De Schnieb makes an overt statement, which, according to "science" cannot be legitimate unless it is proved, then declares they can't prove it. So Da Schnieb is making a statement overtly and declaring it true, which means provable, then slithers away. The God haters have no ethics.
And it's not impossible to prove a negative. In conventional mathematics, there are no rational number solutions to x^2 = 2. Anything which can't be proved cannot legitimately be declared by those claiming to respect "science".
Not surprising that malapropism would "define' "religious observance" to mean accepting the presence of God. The term means going through rituals and ceremonies. But don't expect the degenerates to admit that or necessarily even know that.
Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Ahhh, but you see, it's not me that has the burden of proof. You made an assertion, "there is god." You're the one who has to prove it, or be laughed at.

You might as well claim that sending rockets into space will poke holes in the saran wrap that covers the sky and let the atmosphere leak out.

And never confuse contempt with malice. You religious fanatics have been trying to get away with that for decades as modern science categorically proves you wrong.
julianpenrod
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
With respect to Da Schneib's assertion that the presence of God is contradictory, that only displays their unworthiness even to discuss in that area. The contradiction and others are legitimate in this form of nature, what might be called "existence". Things can only be one quality, not more than one. Monochromatic things can only be one color, not more than one. God is in a level of nature far removed from this. God is capable of being completely green and completely purple simultaneously. That's why I say He is present, not that He exists. There is no logical contradiction with God.
Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
With respect to Da Schneib's assertion that the presence of God is contradictory, that only displays their unworthiness even to discuss in that area.
Logical fallacy detected:

Poisoning the well: https://en.wikipe...the_well

Meanwhile, if I was malicious I'd want to burn you at the stake. <-gratuitous reference to common practices approved by your religion
julianpenrod
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
Da Schnieb made the statement that God is imaginary. That is a statement, a declaration, made by Da Schnieb. Now they refuse to prove it. They use the claim that I made the assertion of God's presence first. Such a mental giant that they try to slither away from proving their statements by saying that someone else said something first! The temporal order in which statements are made has no importance in logic. Logic requires that all statements be proved. It is a lie that, if someone does not provide what another considers evidence, that the other does not have to prove their side! Both sides in all logical arguments are required to prove their statements always. But what do you expect from degenerates?
Da Schneib
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 21, 2016
Da Schnieb made the statement that God is imaginary.
Yes, you're correct. I base that on the fact-- note carefully, the FACT-- that you can't produce it to be observed by all comers, and make up excuses for why you can't.

We done here?
malapropism
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2016
"religious observance" to mean accepting the presence of God. The term means going through rituals and ceremonies.

However those rituals and ceremonies are conflated with the concept of religion and inseparable from it else those same rituals and ceremonies would not (and could not) exist.

Religion implies the worship of some deity or other objectification of something natural or supernatural. This by definition means the acceptance by those believers performing their rituals and ceremonies of religious observance, of their god or whatsoever they name their deity or deities. Without this belief and acceptance by them, their rituals and ceremonies are rendered meaningless.

Or at best, they are good for days off work for the rest of us who don't participate in the belief system.
Da Schneib
4.8 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2016
Or at best, they are good for days off work for the rest of us who don't participate in the belief system.
Nice, showing the circular reasoning: we all get Christmas off, so jebus!
julianpenrod
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 21, 2016
It's "poisoning the well" to use someone's personal nature to try to disprove their statements. I was only pointing out the obvious fact that Da Schnieb does not demonstrates the depth of understanding to be able to discuss God with significant reliability.
Not surprising that Da Schnieb, too, would make a patent lie about me to try to attack me, claiming I "hate all other religions". You expect those things of degenerates.
A common tactic of the malignant is dog piling, ganging up, and hanging on, constantly throwing accusations and claims even if they only amount to, "I still don't believe you". If I go on to something else, it demonstrates I am not acting with the all encompassing hatred of God the others show here.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (6) Mar 21, 2016
It's "poisoning the well" to use someone's personal nature to try to disprove their statements.

that only displays their unworthiness even to discuss in that area.


We done here?
Azrael
1.6 / 5 (12) Mar 22, 2016
So much hatred, ignorance, and self-righteousness on both sides of the isle.

I see "christians" and "scientists" generalizing, stereotyping, insulting each other... Calling people degenerates, and idiots... Attacking people's beliefs because they're different than your own.

I would say you should all be ashamed of yourselves, but it appears that you're all PROUD of the way you behave, and each think that you're superior to the other.

This is SAD.

TheGhostofOtto1923
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 22, 2016
Let's see what we got here
TheGhostofOtto1923 saying the religious would brutalize everyone if they weren't controlled by civil law
They always have and they always will. It is an integral part of their (your) books.
everyone in prison got there by obeying Christian laws
I didnt say everyone. Religion just makes victimizing others easier as it enhances the tribal dynamic.
I make up my own rules
OF COURSE you do. YOU say rituals are unnecessary. YOU say jesus came to replace the law when he clearly said he came to FULFILL it.

You created your custom god in your own image so you could do what you want without sinning. Other religionists would consider this heresy.
it was people following rules gotten from accepting the presence of God who made those "civil laws"!
Absolutely not. Universal equality is foreign to every religion. The first 3 commandments require allegiance to your god or the others cannot be followed. Yours subjugates women and vilifies jews.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.6 / 5 (9) Mar 22, 2016
And it's not impossible to prove a negative
The god of your books doesn't exist.

In his books he describes himself as infallible and morally impeccable.

But the books he wrote describe things which archeology and exegesis tell us never existed and never happened.

So either the god of your books didn't know history which means he is inept, or he knew history and chose to lie about it, or he actually obliterated ALL evidence and replaced it with totally convincing contrary evidence.

Which makes him an even bigger liar.

In any case he is not the infallible and morally impeccable creature he describes himself to be in his books.

IOW the god you worship doesn't exist. Period.

And there is absolutely no way for you to reconcile this.
Zzzzzzzz
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 22, 2016
Da Schnieb made the statement that God is imaginary.
Yes, you're correct. I base that on the fact-- note carefully, the FACT-- that you can't produce it to be observed by all comers, and make up excuses for why you can't.

We done here?

Cannot be produced to be observed by ANY comers...... Other delusionals will simply repeat the same delusion
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.6 / 5 (9) Mar 22, 2016
I would say you should all be ashamed of yourselves, but it appears that you're all PROUD of the way you behave, and each think that you're superior to the other
Confronting liars, exposing lies, and righting wrongs ARE things to be proud of.

Your preachers do this every day with all the other religions. What makes you think yours is exempt?
greenonions
5 / 5 (6) Mar 22, 2016
Azreal
I would say you should all be ashamed of yourselves, but it appears that you're all PROUD of the way you behave, and each think that you're superior to the other.
Do you not think that you have just done - exactly what you choose to reprimand others for doing? Seems that way to me. Of course there is a sense in which we are all equal. All an equal lump of carbon - destined to turn back into dust some day. I definitely think that atheism is a superior way of thinking than religionism. We follow the evidence where it takes us. I work to try to confront religious folks - with all of their tribalism, and their lazy thinking. I think there is a lot at stake - and it is noble work (that last phrase was a little tongue in cheek - but just a little.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Mar 23, 2016
Is it because these people
@juli
there are only your specific choices? - how stupid (imagine that)

it is far more likely that it is because there is no, and never was any, evidence
OR it could be that they recognize that morality doesn't come from the hypocritical religious organizations where prejudice is by design and taught
yet lets TheGhostofOtto1923 saying the religious would brutalize everyone if they weren't controlled by civil law
Uhm... the Inquisition, crusades, dark ages, .....hello?
it's called history

.

This is the bible belt of America that you have described in perfection
@thirteen
it aint just the bible belt (though they do seem to have an overabundance of ignorance on a lot of things)
http://www.npr.or...12512979
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Mar 23, 2016
carefully ignoring that Christ acted to repudiate the Old Testament
@juli
well, your j actually condemned others for not obeying the old T... and came to reinforce it
from your own book: Matthew 5:18-19
Luke 16:17
John7:19

so the question now stands: if your own deity supported the OT laws and condemn those who do not follow them, why then do you preach that he "repudiated" them?

worse still, you are in direct conflict with your chosen savior now, but you will claim "grace" or some such special knowledge even though your own bible refutes your claims

(another note: why did the Canon (men) remove books from the bible? think on that a moment and then tell us again how the bible is the word of your deity and infallible)
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Mar 23, 2016
...calls God "imaginary". That is their claim. Then prove it
@juli
but it was your claim first that your god exists, and that morality stems from your religion
(started 2000 yrs ago)
therefore the onus of proof is on you

while you are at it, lets talk about morality in the bible:
Violence cleanses evil PROV 20:30
enslave your neighbors who worship other gods LEV 25:44-46
you should kill people who work on the sabbath (SAT) NUM 15:32-36
Kill children who curse their parents EXO 21:15,17
selling your daughter is ok -rules for it EXO 21:7-8
Rape is a crime against the husband regardless of the reason for the rape DEUT 22:23-24
Women are not equivalent to men 1TIM 2:12
Jesus didn't bring peace, but came to pit family against each other LUK 12:51-53
Jesus didn't bring peace MAT 10:34
women you want to marry not a virgin? kill her! LEV 21:13

Your jesus said all the old laws still apply! MAT 5:17-19
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Mar 23, 2016
God is not a title, He uses it as His name
@juli
no, he doesn't... you should read your bible more. in fact, there are many names from "Yaweh" and "I am" to "Jehovah" and "Jesus"... but lets not forget the Trinity too
following the rules of English
first you have to specify which *name*
The God haters have no ethics
you mean like your demonstrated ethics and "moral superiority" above like your lying, misrepresentation of your own religion, personal attacks, lack of evidence and denigration of all those not of your cult?

wow...

as Schneib noted "I love the smell of irony in the evening" LMFAO
that only displays their unworthiness
so, because we require evidence before acceptance we are the unworthy? LOL??
can you say DERP?
a patent lie about me to try to attack me, claiming I "hate all other religions"
actually, you are required to do such in your bible, as well as kill them too... or didn't you read that part? LEV 25:44-46 MAT 5:17-19
Azrael
1 / 5 (6) Mar 23, 2016
I would say you should all be ashamed of yourselves, but it appears that you're all PROUD of the way you behave, and each think that you're superior to the other
Confronting liars, exposing lies, and righting wrongs ARE things to be proud of.

Your preachers do this every day with all the other religions. What makes you think yours is exempt?


-My- preachers? You presume to know what faith if any I follow without knowing anything at all about me.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Mar 23, 2016
So much hatred, ignorance, and self-righteousness on both sides of the isle.

I see "christians" and "scientists" generalizing, stereotyping, insulting each other... Calling people degenerates, and idiots... Attacking people's beliefs because they're different than your own.

I would say you should all be ashamed of yourselves, but it appears that you're all PROUD of the way you behave, and each think that you're superior to the other.

This is SAD.
If you wanna have a religion, go right ahead.

But stop saying stuff about how the Earth is 6000 years old, or there's no evolution, or other completely brain-dead crud that is simply denial of reality. There isn't any super magic daddy in the sky. If you wanna be a deist, I won't even argue with you. You might be right, and I'm agnostic as far as deism goes. But a book written mostly by stone age sheep herders is absolutely not literally true and never was.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (7) Mar 23, 2016
-My- preachers?
@Azrael
perhaps he assumed that your defense of the religious fundamentalists (fundie's) on this site indicated your religious perspective

point is: Otto is right about exposing liars and correcting the wrongs

the fundie's on this site intentionally berate, lie, cheat, denigrate and far worse for the sake of their deity, and this is a long running battle that you are perhaps not aware of, being a newbie (AKA -nooB)

these actions are not just about the x-tian fundie's either, but the pseudoscience fundies and followers of everything from aether to the electric universe to "there is no gravity"

normally this is due to a mixture of simple scientific illiteracy and ignorance, but it is also attributed to intentional deceit and proselytizing of said beliefs for converts

some may even be paid to denigrate actual science, as seen in this study
http://www.drexel...nge.ashx
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Mar 24, 2016
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 24, 2016
-My- preachers? You presume to know what faith if any I follow without knowing anything at all about me
It was a metaphor godder.

You ashamed of your affinities?
StudentofSpiritualTeaching
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
While that statistics is showing a positive trend, away from religious delusions, there is still a dangerous pattern within the American society clinging to ideologies and -isms, even tending to be radical in that. Any kind of blind belief, copying and pasting other believers' opinions, is the opposite of reason, realism and thus recklessly neglecting and crippling human's capabilities.
AGreatWhopper
1 / 5 (3) Mar 26, 2016
Rare, good news.

Now, you fucking xtian trolls, you just don't learn very fast, do you? Every time you troll, I do something to your "holy places". Penrod posts, a baptismal font gets peed in. But they're not interested in effect, just shouting inanities.

Off now to plant some TRUTHFUL Easter eggs. Slip in just before the action and leave a few pithy ones. "Jesus Christ is an asshole fucker" is my favorite. Or "I killed your beloved pet, Love God (Matthew 10:29)". I'll bet ones like "Breed, breed, breed!" confound them as to whether it was really theirs or not.
jim_xanara
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2016
Azrael. Right. You're taking seriously the Zionist "Angel of Death"???

I'll bet Cpt. Grumpy argues with street people.
chileastro
1 / 5 (3) Mar 26, 2016
Azrael

2 /5 (7) Mar 22, 2016
So much hatred, ignorance, and self-righteousness on both sides of the isle.


lol Not coming close to you and actually thinking that it's "isle".

What a certifiable SFB!
AGreatWhopper
1 / 5 (3) Mar 26, 2016
julianpendick 1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 21, 2016
Da Schnieb calls God "imaginary". That is their claim. Then prove it.


YOU prove that Jesus Christ doesn't rape me in the ass daily.
Azrael
1 / 5 (1) Mar 28, 2016
-My- preachers? You presume to know what faith if any I follow without knowing anything at all about me
It was a metaphor godder.

You ashamed of your affinities?


No. Just bewildered that your rating is so high when you make ignorant and intentionally inflammatory attacks against anyone you don't agree with. Shameful.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Mar 28, 2016
No. Just bewildered that your rating is so high when you make ignorant and intentionally inflammatory attacks against anyone you don't agree with
Imagine my bewilderment at a poster who names himself after the archangel of death, calling me inflammatory.

Imagine my consternation at believers faced with the conclusion that
either the god of your books didn't know history which means he is inept, or he knew history and chose to lie about it, or he actually obliterated ALL evidence and replaced it with totally convincing contrary evidence.

Which makes him an even bigger liar.

In any case he is not the infallible and morally impeccable creature he describes himself to be in his books.

IOW the god you worship doesn't exist. Period.

And there is absolutely no way for you to reconcile this.
-who still somehow continue to believe.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Mar 28, 2016
Shameful
I imagine the shame religionists must feel when they watch a movie like this
https://en.wikipe...t_(film)

-and realize that religions can be designed to specifically encourage such behavior.

You don't understand why I'm just a little intentionally inflammatory at times?

Godder?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Mar 28, 2016
Archangel of Death
https://youtu.be/p2Ylv7Prhf8

-Honesty is the best Policy.
Azrael
1 / 5 (1) Mar 28, 2016
Archangel of Death
https://youtu.be/p2Ylv7Prhf8

-Honesty is the best Policy.


It's a pseudonym I use online, and in video games.

You've made the painfully foolish assumption that I'm religious, that I willfully disregard science in the face of empirical evidence, and have commenced an attack on me based on an arbitrarily chosen pseudonym.

I concede defeat, as I am clearly no match for your level of hatred and ignorance.

If there is an enlightenment at hand, Otto, you're clearly not a part of it.

TheGhostofOtto1923
5 / 5 (1) Mar 28, 2016
Well I can see you enjoy 'holier than thou' very much. Know any other games?

Archangel of Death? ;))

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