First electric car race to zoom off on Saturday

September 12, 2014 by Neil Connor
Bruno Senna, pictured competing in the Le Mans 24 Hours race on June 23, 2013, will be among the drivers in the first electric car race on Saturday

Formula E will be a laboratory for new technology, according to motor sport great Alain Prost, while Bruno Senna said drivers will face a "lottery" when electric car racing kicks off in Beijing Saturday.

The nephew of Ayrton Senna was speaking Friday as he prepared to line up against the son of four-time Formula One champion Prost, rekindling one of the greatest rivalries in motorsport.

The pair will be competing in the first-ever Formula E race, in the shadow of the Bird's Nest stadium in the Chinese capital.

Formula E has received high-profile backing from the likes of Hollywood star Leonardo DiCaprio and British tycoon Richard Branson, and some believe it represents an environmentally-friendly future for motor sports.

"Beyond a competition, Formula E needs to be a sort of laboratory... especially for completely new technologies," said Prost, the co-founder of E.Dams Renault, the team which has his son Nicolas as one of its drivers.

Prost said the race itself will be "quite complicated" and the winning driver will need to work closely with the car's engineers, given that the teams are using identical vehicles for Formula E's inaugural season.

"Just by pushing like hell is not going to be good, at least at the beginning," he said.

"Maybe in the future when we are going to improve the batteries, the power, we will see."

Calendar and details on the new electric Formula E cars

Senna said that drivers were expected to run into "a few bits and pieces of trouble" as Formula E is a new series.

"I think the first few races will probably be a bit more of a lottery," said Senna, who has been signed up by Mumbai-based Mahindra Racing.

'Old school battles'

Prost and Senna will be lining up on the grid with Nelson Piquet Junior, whose father was also a formidable racer in the 1980s and '90s.

"I think it is exciting for sure and is good for the championship to revive some of the old school battles," Senna said.

"Of course for me, Nico and Nelson we have a great relationship which is a bit different to what our family members had before," he said while laughing—and peering towards Prost senior.

French driver Nicolas Prost (L) and Swiss driver Sebastien Buemi speak at the launch of the Formula E Championship in London on June 30, 2014

Piquet will be driving for home favourite China Racing, which is led by Steven Lu.

Lu said the Chinese government was keen to back Formula E as it wanted to promote the use of .

Many Chinese cities are regularly covered in thick blankets of smog, and car use accounts for almost a third of Beijing's levels of PM2.5, the smallest and most dangerous particulates.

Host broadcasters set up their cameras along the race track for the Formula E debut in Beijing on September 11, 2014

Many Chinese children will see Formula E on social media, Lu said, "and for them, it will be really cool".

"Maybe in the future. Maybe in five, six, 10 years, these young kids, they buy their first cars and they are electric cars so this (Formula E) means a lot, and this is why the Chinese government wants to promote electric cars for the future."

The Forumla E series will see 10 races on different street circuits around the world involving 20 drivers from 10 different teams, with Branson and DiCaprio backing one team each.

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foolspoo
5 / 5 (1) Sep 12, 2014
Electric vehicles dominated the racing circuits prior to the extremely successful lobbying of hank ford. Very similar to the oppression that tesla motors is currently facing.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (12) Sep 12, 2014
We had years-long of successful use of electric vehicles, ready to convert the US Postal Service to them, until Reagan ended it.
Noumenon
1.3 / 5 (13) Sep 12, 2014
We had years-long of successful use of electric vehicles, ready to convert the US Postal Service to them, until Reagan ended it.


Reagan has been out of office for a while. Why didn't Clinton then or Obama magically make electric cars ubiquitous? By your bed-wetting-liberal mush logic, if it was Reagans fault then, then it is Clintons/Obama fault more so now given improved tech.

BS. The fact that the US Postal Service even still exists when its patently clear it is out dated is indicative of the incompetence of government. The free market however will usher in electric cars when it is economically viable to do so,... when there is profit potential and not one second beforehand.
foolspoo
5 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2014
Thats some strange logic there Noumenon. In other words, inaccurate. If america had been operating under free market conditions when the automobile arose, there wouldn't be many gasoline engines available. Electric motors were more efficient, and more powerful over 100 years ago. The fords profitability and influence being far too powerful coupled with the lack of energy storage doomed progress.
gkam
3.1 / 5 (17) Sep 12, 2014
Noumenon makes assumptions based on his political prejudice. We did the tests at PG&E with the fleet in Cupertino, with very careful monitoring of the cost efficiency, and efficacy of their use in the spectrum of topologies they had there. We proved their value and savings, and the Post Office had agreed to do it, until the Reagan appointee got paid to give the contract to others, He was removed, but we lost the chance to electrify our roads.

Maybe you were not in the loop, and were not aware of it. Where were you in 1984?

As a member of two electric vehicle committees for the Electric Power Research Institute, I helped us get to the stage we are today, by supporting the loser cars we had to build first.

Perhaps you think liberals lie like "WMD!" conservatives.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (12) Sep 12, 2014
"By your bed-wetting-liberal mush logic,"

You forgot nose-picking. With a response like that, do you wonder why you are scorned by those with educations?
SaulAlinsky
4.2 / 5 (5) Sep 12, 2014
Noumenon is a well known idiot around these parts.
SoylentGrin
5 / 5 (3) Sep 12, 2014
Paying off politicians to pass laws that drive your competitors out of business is not a free market.
zoljah
5 / 5 (1) Sep 12, 2014
fuel cell allowed?
howhot2
1 / 5 (1) Sep 12, 2014
From the article:
Prost said the race itself will be "quite complicated" and the winning driver will need to work closely with the car's engineers, given that the teams are using identical vehicles for Formula E's inaugural season.

To me this is quite a disappointment. I thought the whole point of racing was to test an promote racing technologies, engine technologies and in this case battery technology. If all the vehicles are the same, how is the E race showing anything except one companies racing, engine and battery engineering skills? (Those all being from China too I suspect).

Maybe that is why I like LeMans racing over all others. Big against little, may the best car-n-driver win.
Noumenon
1 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2014
Noumenon makes assumptions based on his political prejudice. We did the tests at PG&E with the fleet in Cupertino, with very careful monitoring of the cost efficiency, and efficacy of their use in the spectrum of topologies they had there. We proved their value and savings, and the Post Office had agreed to do it, until the Reagan appointee got paid to give the contract to others, He was removed, but we lost the chance to electrify our roads.


So, by your idiotic conspiracy theory, the USA only had a small window of time in which to "electrify our roads",... between 1984 and 1989? YOU don't have any political prejudice yourself despite ignoring the fact that we had two democrats (one even leftist) who have or will serve two full terms, and yet our roads are still not electrified?
Noumenon
1 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2014
Noumenon makes assumptions based on his political prejudice. ....
....Perhaps you think liberals lie like "WMD!" conservatives.


It is not conjecture that Saddam had WMD's at one time, it is a matter of historical fact. It was not the responsibility of conservatives there was or was not WMD's in Iraq in 2003,... it was the obligation only of Saddam to prove their destruction according to UN resolutions.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. .... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
Noumenon
1 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2014

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .... Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity."
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ...."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
Noumenon
1 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2014
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

..... 43% of democrats voted for use of force in Iraq,.... at least Bush sought congressional approval, unlike Obama.
Noumenon
1 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2014
Thats some strange logic there Noumenon. In other words, inaccurate. If america had been operating under free market conditions when the automobile arose, there wouldn't be many gasoline engines available. Electric motors were more efficient, and more powerful over 100 years ago. The fords profitability and influence being far too powerful coupled with the lack of energy storage doomed progress.


But what difference does it make that profits came from gas powered engines rather than electric? Why would Ford, or for that matter those who invest in the oil industry today, care for one form of energy rather than another, if it wasn't for consideration of return on investment? If cars could be run off of monkey farts, with the same potential for profits, the 'evil oil barons' would just assume invest in monkey farms.
Noumenon
1 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2014
..... your last sentence being in contradiction to the rest of your post,....strange logic.
Noumenon
1 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2014
It's rather hilarious and reflective of just how much phys.org is infested by mindless liberals, that Noumenon receives a bunch of 1-ratings for pointing out the absurdity of reaching all the way back to Reagan and Ford (!) to find blame for the lack of electric cars.

Ironically, it only serves as yet more validation that liberals and government are ineffective and can be defeated easily, and that the market will be the arbiter.
gkam
2 / 5 (8) Sep 13, 2014
This is hilarious. Noum comes on with political prejudice in a forum for technology. And he is still wrong.

As someone with both education and experience, I always look for these guys at parties.
gkam
1.9 / 5 (9) Sep 13, 2014
The process is underway, and the no-nothings and mugwumps and other brands of conservatives can sit on the sidelines and complain.

We can and will transition over to clean fuels.
HeloMenelo
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2014
The process is underway, and the no-nothings and mugwumps and other brands of conservatives can sit on the sidelines and complain.

We can and will transition over to clean fuels.


This is hilarious. Noum comes on with political prejudice in a forum for technology. And he is still wrong.

As someone with both education and experience, I always look for these guys at parties.


Hilarious indeed, i'd love to stand next to you while you insult these clowns at the party, i'll bring the handycam, it'll top charts at the local soap scene. More hilarious is that these baboons have the nerve to go so far and say global warming supporters is only in it to make money for themselves whereas big oil has raped the earth of trillions and trillions upon more trilliaons upon trillions, oversaturating their already filthy obesity...

Never blinking an eye when presenting them with the devestating consequences of their actions.

HeloMenelo
2.3 / 5 (6) Sep 13, 2014
The process is underway, and the no-nothings and mugwumps and other brands of conservatives can sit on the sidelines and complain.

We can and will transition over to clean fuels.


Indeed we will, and it's been way overdue by decades now, Finally a tipping point has been reached, let the Electric Revolution Begin... :D !
Noumenon
1 / 5 (4) Sep 13, 2014
Noum comes on with political prejudice in a forum for technology. And he is still wrong.


You have exposed your political prejudice several times above, hypocrite, and again and again by making political prejudicial presumptions of what "conservatives" think....
gkam
1.9 / 5 (9) Sep 13, 2014
I consulted to electric utilities for a few decades, and love the fact that the California-hating folk Back East are driving Hippie Teslas, made in California.
HeloMenelo
2.7 / 5 (7) Sep 13, 2014
But where's the other clowns, whats his name antigorallicle or something ?? Shouldn't he say something clownlike like, fossil fuels will heal the ozone layer and humans will adapt one day to live off CO2, and then back his statement up by his sockpuppet clowns so we can poke some more fun... ? ? No fun they should be here being their old stupid self, i want to laugh s loud as i did back then ! :(

i really fell off my rocker on the last couple of climate debates, cracking up at these clowns as they insulted themselves into oblivion while the Scientists poked fun at them...
HeloMenelo
1.8 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2014
The process is underway, and the no-nothings and mugwumps and other brands of conservatives can sit on the sidelines and complain.

We can and will transition over to clean fuels.


This is hilarious. Noum comes on with political prejudice in a forum for technology. And he is still wrong.

As someone with both education and experience, I always look for these guys at parties.


Hilarious indeed, i'd love to stand next to you while you insult these clowns at the party, i'll bring the handycam, it'll top charts at the local soap scene. More hilarious is that these baboons have the nerve to go so far and say global warming supporters is only in it to make money for themselves whereas big oil has raped the earth of trillions and trillions upon more trilliaons upon trillions, oversaturating their already filthy obesity...



excuse my spelling i meant oversaturating their filthy obeseness, haven't slept in 3 days...
Noumenon
1 / 5 (4) Sep 13, 2014
We can and will transition over to clean fuels.


I am a conservative who WANTS to transition off of CO2 based energy. Yet, I want and expect oil industry lobbyists to advocate for their own behalf. This is only a contradiction to a nose-picking liberal.

It is the mechanism of how we will transition to the next energy source, of where we differ. Gov doesn't even have the sense to shut down the postal service when it has been obsolete for two decades. Gov can't invest rationally because it does not care if it loses money; i.e. Solyndra. Gov is too easily influenced by lobbyists by your own admission.

It is necessary that alternative energy markets defeat CO2 based energy, .....Naturally Draw Investors, not because "it's the right thing to do for the planet", but because the alternative makes economic sense and is more efficient, better. This is the best way to ensure that alternatives are robust and technologically advanced enough to be scaled.
gkam
1.9 / 5 (9) Sep 13, 2014
Your focus is on money. Mine is on survival.

This society has to learn to stop letting political prejudice determine rational decisions.

Alternative energy already outperforms many fossil fuel systems. Do you think there are no economists, no accountants in utilities?
Noumenon
1 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2014
Your focus is on money. Mine is on survival.


Because I am a realist, not an idealist. Individual human behavior is motivated by egoism, not collectivism. Why don't more liberals drive electric cars? There is enough of them to make a real difference and create a substantive market all on their own. Answer; they act just as conservatives do CO2 energy. They will not go to extra expense nor decrease their standard of living for a theory either.

Profit potential and liberty is the best mechanism for progress. Even your guy Obama had to state the obvious,...."....the free market is the greatest force for economic progress in human history".

Noumenon
1 / 5 (5) Sep 13, 2014

This society has to learn to stop letting political prejudice determine rational decisions.


That goes both ways. AGW-Alarmism as opposed to the science of AGW, are entirely motivated by far left politics and form of government. The far left (and UN) advocates social engineering, redistribution of wealth, government control of energy use and industry. Loss of liberty has never been a rational decision for anyone, left or right.

Alternative energy already outperforms many fossil fuel systems. Do you think there are no economists, no accountants in utilities?


Conservatives who do not even buy into AGW alarmism, do not care which form energy sources take. They are not opposed to a better energy source. They and history object to government central planning and social engineering. It is a technological issue not a political change issue. The market and liberty has proven itself, while government has proven it is inept.
gkam
2.2 / 5 (10) Sep 13, 2014
"The market and liberty has proven itself, while government has proven it is inept."

You have confused being bought out with capability. Our government is worse when run by Capitalism. We already have our highest wealth and income disparity in our history, . . . from when Capitalists ran our government into the ground.

When are your oil buddies going to pay for the Bush Wars?

There is more to life than selfishness.
howhot2
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 13, 2014
@Noumenon says:

This society has to learn to stop letting political prejudice determine rational decisions.

That goes both ways. AGW-Alarmism as opposed to the science of AGW, are entirely motivated by far left politics and form of government. The far left (and UN) advocates social engineering, redistribution of wealth, government control of energy use and industry. Loss of liberty has never been a rational decision for anyone, left or right. ...

You know, it's amazing how the republiCONs are so quick to drop politics into something as benign as an auto race. Claiming AGW Alarmism is somehow a liberal completely ignores the point that we are really in the process of destroying earth and mankind for next 100,000 years. Forget humanity as we know it. Already we are headed for a 4C increase in global average temps by 2100. That is not liberal fiction. That is what is happening. Deniers really need a reality check. Watch Al-Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" one more time.
kochevnik
1 / 5 (1) Sep 13, 2014
Your focus is on money. Mine is on survival.
@Noumenon Because I am a realist, not an idealist. Individual human behavior is motivated by egoism, not collectivism.
People act very collectively if there is a boogieman herding them like sheep. Then fear makes each one want to be in the centere of the herd. Hence in USA the powers that be manufactured boogiemen like Bin Laden and ISIS to herd the sheeple
Noumenon
1 / 5 (6) Sep 14, 2014
Our government is worse when run by Capitalism. ..[...]... Capitalists ran our government into the ground....[...]....


When Obama is finished he will have tripled the national debt. That is printed money, not revenue from Capitalism which of course feeds the government.

We already have our highest wealth and income disparity in our history


This is by definition a non-problem in a free society. It is only a problem, again by definition, is a communist society.
foolspoo
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 15, 2014
boy oh boy neuomenon. were all looking forward to your first original thought. Hint: avoid politics, its a huge game of oppression with both sides losing, every time. not to mention, its all been seen before. the only thing that changes are the faces and the 0's.
kochevnik
3.7 / 5 (3) Sep 15, 2014
This is by definition a non-problem in a free society. It is only a problem, again by definition, is a communist society.
LOL yes Noumenon tyranny and kleptocracy are ABSOLUTELY no threat to a free society./s Though you may want to stop eating so much sugar unless you intend to running as the first insect politician
NOM
1 / 5 (3) Sep 15, 2014
boy oh boy neuomenon. were all looking forward to your first original thought. Hint: avoid politics, its a huge game of oppression with both sides losing, every time

It's also against the site ToU, so counts as trolling. As wel as being irrelevant, boring and lame.
Noumenon
1 / 5 (5) Sep 15, 2014
My posts were in response to gkam injecting poltics in this thread. No one calls out gkam for it though. Bias and invalid complaints.
Noumenon
1 / 5 (5) Sep 15, 2014
boy oh boy neuomenon. were all looking forward to your first original thought. Hint: avoid politics, its a huge game of oppression with both sides losing, every time. not to mention, its all been seen before. the only thing that changes are the faces and the 0's.


Your 1st and 2nd post was about politics. Hypocrite. Then howhot2 injects politics as well.
foolspoo
not rated yet Sep 16, 2014
and you don't see the difference????
howhot2
not rated yet Sep 16, 2014
@Noumenon, your wing nuttyness is showing;
Then howhot2 injects politics as well.
I didn't say anything about politics. All I said was I would prefer a LaMans type race over an Indy style Formula-E for the new electric vehicles. It would test more than just Battery tech.

If that is political then your twisted wingnut ideas of a Bush America really have brainwashed you badly. Your just seeing the world from smoked conservative glasses. I feel sorry for you looser.

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