Climate change: meteorologists preparing for the worst

Aug 21, 2014 by Clément Sabourin
A woman walks through Washington Square Park during a snowstorm on February 3, 2014 in New York City

Intense aerial turbulence, ice storms and scorching heatwaves, huge ocean waves—the world's climate experts forecast apocalyptic weather over the coming decades at a conference in Montreal that ended Thursday.

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) brought together 1,000 specialists to discuss the uncertain future of weather forecasting.

A decade after the entry into force of the Kyoto Protocol, the world's focus has shifted from reducing linked to warming, to dealing with its consequences.

"It's irreversible and the world's population continues to increase, so we must adapt," said Jennifer Vanos, a professor of atmospheric sciences at Texas Tech University.

Average temperatures have increased 0.47 percent degrees Celsius so far. Scientists have predicted a two-percent rise in by 2050.

A one-degree hike translates into seven percent more water vapor in the atmosphere and because evaporation is the driving force behind air currents, more are expected to follow.

"We'll see clouds forming faster and more easily, and more downpours," leading to flash flooding, said Simon Wang, assistant director of the Utah Climate Center.

Broadly speaking, said the American researcher, rising temperatures will have a "multiplying effect on weather events as we know them."

Bone-chilling temperatures that swept across North America last winter will plunge even further, while summer heatwaves and droughts will be hotter and dryer, he added.

For meteorologists, the challenge will be to incorporate this "additional force" into their weather modelling, explained Wang.

A vehicle is buried in mud one day after a landslide hit a residential area in Hiroshima, western Japan on August 21, 2014

Supercomputing weather forecasts

To do so, meteorologists will need to use supercomputers to run the increasingly complex algorithms to predict weather.

British researcher Paul Williams studies the impact of on jetstreams using one such computer at Princeton University in New Jersey.

After weeks of calculations, he concluded that climate change amplifies the strength of these narrow bands of predominantly westerly air currents encircling the globe several miles above the earth.

By 2050, he said, airline passengers will experience twice as much in-flight turbulence as a result.

Meanwhile on the high seas, monster waves will await cargo and cruise ships.

A hurricane forcaster studies computer models as he tracks Hurricane Irene at the National Hurricane Center on August 22, 2011 in Miami, Florida

"Maritime shipping companies are already running into enormous waves," some as high as 40 meters (130 feet), said Wang, adding that 20 meters (65 feet) high was considered exceptionally high until now.

"This is just the beginning of climate change, because the oceans will have an even greater impact releasing more heat and vapor," he warned.

Melting ice of Greenland could result in a six-meter (200-foot) rise in the world's oceans, though not likely until the next century, said Eric Brun of Meteo-France, citing a study he recently published on climate's impact on ocean levels.

Faced with so much upheaval, Jennifer Vanos said there is an urgency to adapt—including lifestyle, urban planning—to this new reality in order to protect populations.

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freeiam
1 / 5 (15) Aug 21, 2014
Al Gore again.
There is one solution no one mentions: reduce the world population!
Aside from the climate distraction this can solve the real problems of this time like the eradication of most wildlife and loss of habitat of all species (but one) and severe pollution that causes cancer in animals and humans because of diesel engines.
orti
1.5 / 5 (17) Aug 21, 2014
Scare (and there's a boogie man under you bed) is a standard propaganda technique. No creativity here – really getting weak.
supamark23
4.5 / 5 (16) Aug 21, 2014
Oh look at the armchair scientists above me who don't know the first thing about chemistry, physics, meteorology spoutin' off about the stuff they don't understand. Good job guys, I'm sure your parents are real, uh, "proud" of what you've become!
antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (19) Aug 21, 2014
Dammit!! I've been waiting for False "Profit" Al's apocalypse, now these morons tell me it's decades.
https://www.youtu...m5RsakQ8
Whydening Gyre
4.9 / 5 (9) Aug 21, 2014
Al Gore again.
There is one solution no one mentions: reduce the world population!
Aside from the climate distraction this can solve the real problems of this time like the eradication of most wildlife and loss of habitat of all species (but one) and severe pollution that causes cancer in animals and humans because of diesel engines.

Actually, what do you suppose all that apocalyptic weather will do?
RealityCheck
1.4 / 5 (9) Aug 21, 2014
Hi freejam. :)
There is one solution no one mentions: reduce the world population!
As Whyde has just pointed out, future Natural Planetary Dynamics will take care of it if we don't find some way of avoiding what's obviously 'brewing' global climate-wise.

I too have previously and often pointed out the obvious consequences of newly-unpredictable/destabilized weather/climate 'patterns', eg: disrupted crop/livestock maturation/flowering 'timing'; extreme/unusual storms/cyclones etc affecting food/people/energy transportation/distribution and communications infrastructure; expanding range for disease/pests affecting crops/livestock/people over more regions/latitudes than before; housing/cities destruction by floods, coastal/river surges/erosions etc will increase, as will the costs of 'insurance/repairs/replacements'; and so on.

So relax, our Natural System has plenty 'final solution wild cards' up its sleeve, ready to 'play as necessary' to rebalance planetary dynamics. G'luck!:)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (9) Aug 21, 2014
Hi Whyde. :) Did you see the "Uncle Ira" BOT just downvote '1' for my above post which agreed with the thrust of your post that was upvoted '5' by 'it'.

It's almost as if that idiot's-BOT is 'voting from a preprogrammed list of posters' irrespective of post content! How 'scientific' of 'it'! lol

Just goes to show again what those idiotic troll-bot-socks agenda really is here, hey?

Certainly not free, open and fair science discourse based on ideas presented rather than the presenter, that's for sure.

No more proof required, is there! Agree?

Cheers, Whyde. :)
Whydening Gyre
3.3 / 5 (7) Aug 21, 2014
One other thing... Why the hell are we always just on the precipice of new apocolypse's?
It's like we're in a damn movie or somethin'...
Whydening Gyre
4 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014
Hi Whyde. :) Did you see the "Uncle Ira" BOT just downvote '1' for my above post which agreed with the thrust of your post that was upvoted '5' by 'it'.

Sorry, RC, but I won't get in the middle of what appears to be personal differences.
You got on his bad side, I guess. Tween you and him.
In the meantime, stop being so sensitive about stuff - it's just entertainment for all us old guys, fer cryin' out loud...
Shootist
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 21, 2014

What I'm convinced of is that we don't understand climate." - Freeman Dyson


As a general rule, if Freeman Dyson doesn't understand something, you don't, either.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (7) Aug 21, 2014
Hi Whyde. :)

No. mate. How can one have personal differences with a criminal IDIOT.

Hadn't you noticed that it's a BOT; and its operator an equally mindless TROLL? :)

There should be no room in these venues for such creeps and their creepy bots. Period.

It's important to SCIENCE and HUMANITY that these forums are allowed to operate open and fair discourse, or what's the agenda if not science discourse?

Just appeasing these psychopathic/sociopathic crazies and conmen ends up dehumanizing and intimidating the science and the scientists who fear being attacked by such worthless trash. Is that what 'modern science' means, abdicating its discourse to the crazy parrots and even crazier conmen who want to manipulate you and others in order to boost their ego/power over your right to discuss what and where you want to?

Don't be cowed or timid of such troll 'downvoting', mate...else what's your intellectual freedom and courage worth to the future humanity/science discourse?

Stand up. :)
thermodynamics
4.5 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014
RC: I can't speak for Uncle Ira (although Water-Profit/Alche will tell you that everyone on this site is a sockpuppet for me). I down voted you because I do not agree with your reference to natural dynamics. That generally implies that the author is accepting the "nature did it" point of view instead of recognizing CO2 as being the predominant driver of this excursion in heat gain by the earth. If I misunderstood, I apologize for downgrading you. If I was correct and you think CO2 is a minor contributor then I stand by the down grade. Just let me know.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (7) Aug 21, 2014
Just appeasing these psychopathic/sociopathic crazies and conmen ends up dehumanizing and intimidating the science and the scientists who fear being attacked by such worthless trash.


Does this mean you got suspended again over that the place where you usually make peoples mad with you?
antigoracle
1.4 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014
It looked a bit chilly for summer in Montreal. I hoped they walked with coats.
http://www.timean...historic
Whydening Gyre
3.9 / 5 (7) Aug 21, 2014
No. mate. How can one have personal differences with a criminal IDIOT.
There should be no room in these venues for such creeps and their creepy bots. Period.

Well the casting of the term "criminal IDIOT" might be one avenue...

Don't be cowed or timid of such troll 'downvoting', mate...else what's your intellectual freedom and courage worth to the future humanity/science discourse?

Whose intimidated or cowed? I say what I think. I don't pander. If it's downvoted - so what?
As to what my intellectual freedom and courage is worth? About as much as to 7 billion other folks on this dirt ball. I try not to carry an ego or get caught up in it.
As I've said before, you need to thicken up some skin...

RealityCheck
2.1 / 5 (9) Aug 21, 2014
RC: I can't speak for Uncle Ira (although Water-Profit/Alche will tell you that everyone on this site is a sockpuppet for me). I down voted you because I do not agree with your reference to natural dynamics. That generally implies that the author is accepting the "nature did it" point of view instead of recognizing CO2 as being the predominant driver of this excursion in heat gain by the earth. If I misunderstood, I apologize for downgrading you. If I was correct and you think CO2 is a minor contributor then I stand by the down grade. Just let me know.

Yes, you misunderstood me. I often point out CO2 menace, subsequent/associated man-caused 'imbalancing' activities/effects on natural system. :)

The "natural dynamics" I alluded to are those that will be 'triggered' by increased CO2/warming if we don't solve for that before 'tipping point' criticality reached.

Re 'accidental downgrading', no sweat. You didn't purposely 'game' that system like the BOT idiot does! :)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (7) Aug 21, 2014
Hi Whyde. :)

Time for all good human artists and/or scientists to stand up against any such attempts by anyone to censor/skew/control/game science and humanity discourse.

No more 'fence sitting'. Either you are cowed by such idiot psychopaths (in which case you are of no use to science or humanity), or you stand up and tell 'it' where 'it' can get off (in which case even an 'artist' can be brave enough to stand up for science and civilization against the mindless crazies of all 'types' playing their ego-games at the expense of your rights to free and open discourse without fear or favor).

History shows, no amount of declaring 'neutral' against such malignant types will save you; or will exhonerate you from tacit complicity.

For evil to flourish it is sufficient for good men and women and scientists (and artists too!) to do nothing while crazies/psychopaths attack others who DO stand up to them wherever/whenever encountered.

Either you condone it', or you don't. Choose, artist.:)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014
PS: Whyde, you miss the point. The Uncle Ira BOT gaming the voting system is Anti-Science-Ethics as it gets. There is NO room for manoeuvre/excuses on that. Whoever the idiot troll operating such a bot, it makes no difference. He is anti-science in INTENT by dint of such BOT indiscriminate voting based on 'name only' list rather than ideas/science only content comprehension. Period.

There comes a time when excuses and time both run out. One has to choose eventually where they stand on such anti-science trolls/idiocy like that. Good luck, and courage to you, in your eventual choice, mate. :)
paul_cherubini_3
1.3 / 5 (12) Aug 21, 2014
The credibility of the entire scientific community will be seriously compromised for decades by these insincere $$$ motivated climate scientists. They are essentially professional actors. Perhaps Action School 101 is now a requirement to earn a PhD in meterology?
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (9) Aug 21, 2014
Sorry for the upvote Paul Cherubini. You people need to get a clue....
Whydening Gyre
3.9 / 5 (7) Aug 21, 2014
RC - you use too many / / / in your explanations of things....
KDK
1 / 5 (11) Aug 21, 2014
You mean they are preparing for the worst in terms of Agenda 21 and the AGW fraud collapsing?
Mimath224
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 21, 2014
@RealityCheck 'So relax, our Natural System has plenty 'final solution wild cards' up its sleeve, ready to 'play as necessary' to rebalance planetary dynamics. G'luck!:)'

Is one of those '...wild cards' to get rid of us humans? Just a thought Ha!
Never mind, we can always hope for asteroid to wipe us out before climate change does.
mvogell
1 / 5 (5) Aug 21, 2014
Can no one afford proof readers anymore? I can't take this article seriously just because of the blatantly obvious errors in it. "Average temperatures have increased by 0.47 PERCENT DEGREES Celsius so far."??? What does that mean? "Melting ice in Greenland could lead to a 6 METER (200 FOOT) increase in world ocean levels..." No, 6 meters is about 20 feet, not 200 feet. Much of the evaporation of the oceans is initiated by a life form that needs sulfur to survive. The higher the water temperature, the more sulfur it needs. Evaporation might actually slow down if temperatures go up too much.
Forbin Project
1.4 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014
What exactly are meteorologists bracing for?? They can't accurately predict weather now and won't in the future, I'm ok with that.
Mimath224
4.7 / 5 (10) Aug 21, 2014
More bad news from ESA, quote;
'...Using an astonishing 200 million data points across Antarctica and 14.3 million across Greenland collected by CryoSat, the team were able to study how the ice sheets changed over the three years[2011-2014]. The resulting maps reveal that Greenland alone is reducing in volume by about 375 cubic kilometres a year.'
howhot2
4 / 5 (8) Aug 21, 2014
From the article:
Intense aerial turbulence, ice storms and scorching heatwaves, huge ocean waves—the world's climate experts forecast apocalyptic weather over the coming decades
Yeap. That sounds about right. CO2 and AGW has a long reach into planetary temperature.
Osiris1
1.8 / 5 (5) Aug 22, 2014
Such high waves would give credibility to shifting cargo transport to super submarines that travel very deep.
Whydening Gyre
4.2 / 5 (5) Aug 22, 2014
@RealityCheck 'So relax, our Natural System has plenty 'final solution wild cards' up its sleeve, ready to 'play as necessary' to rebalance planetary dynamics. G'luck!:)'

Is one of those '...wild cards' to get rid of us humans? Just a thought Ha!
Never mind, we can always hope for asteroid to wipe us out before climate change does.

Natural Selection...
cantdrive85
1.3 / 5 (12) Aug 22, 2014
There is one solution no one mentions: reduce the world population!


Well, go ahead a get the ball rolling. Go ahead and kill yourself and you may as well take a few AGWites with you...
TheTribeofDAN
2 / 5 (4) Aug 22, 2014
...they'd better get that Altai Mummy back into the earth soon; she's still mad about being dug up & nakedly displayed these many decades, don't ya know...
Whydening Gyre
4.3 / 5 (6) Aug 22, 2014
...or you stand up and tell 'it' where 'it' can get off (in which case even an 'artist' can be brave enough to stand up for science and civilization against the mindless crazies of all 'types' playing their ego-games at the expense of your rights to free and open discourse without fear or favor).

The one l thing I take away from this statement, is that you "fear".
Why, FFS?
This is more or less an anonymous discussion board - no one is coming to your house in the middle of the night to beat you up...
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (7) Aug 22, 2014
The one l thing I take away from this statement, is that you "fear".
Why, FFS?
This is more or less an anonymous discussion board - no one is come to your house in the middle of the night to beat you up...


@ Whydening-Skippy. That is right Cher. There is no reason to "fear" me on the interweb. Just make comments about the way I see peoples acting. If somebody don't like the comments they can just Skippy skip over him to next one that they might like better.

This couyon can't understand that after being called names hundreds and hundreds of times the last 8 or 7 months what he expect but to get a bad karma vote no matter what he says?

Even when he tries to talk about science he insults and pretends to be the wise ol man who is setting the youngsters straight. The problem with that is he ain't so wise, he ain't so old, and he ain't so straight.

I think he is about 40 or 35 year old and learned his science watching TV at the home for peoples with the mental condition.
runrig
4.4 / 5 (10) Aug 22, 2014
What exactly are meteorologists bracing for?? They can't accurately predict weather now and won't in the future, I'm ok with that.


To glass half-empty people that's the case with most things.
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (6) Aug 22, 2014
Just appeasing these psychopathic/sociopathic crazies and conmen ends up dehumanizing and intimidating the science and the scientists who fear being attacked by such worthless trash.


Does this mean you got suspended again over that the place where you usually make peoples mad with you?
@Ira
nope. he got PERMABANNED for trolling and flaming/baiting
AGAIN
if you will look at this link: http://www.scifor...list.php

you will see that he was permabanned as BOTH log in's (undefined is the latest permaban)
i guess a tiger never changes his/her/its/their stripes

Well, go ahead a get the ball rolling. Go ahead and kill yourself and you may as well take a few AGWites with you
@cd
i am sure would suggest you do the same

but take the eu pseudoscience acolytes with you

RealityCheck
1 / 5 (7) Aug 22, 2014
Hi Whyde. :)
...or you stand up and tell 'it' where 'it' can get off (in which case even an 'artist' can be brave enough to stand up for science and civilization against the mindless crazies of all 'types' playing their ego-games at the expense of your rights to free and open discourse without fear or favor).

The one l thing I take away from this statement, is that you "fear".
Why, FFS?
This is more or less an anonymous discussion board - no one is coming to your house in the middle of the night to beat you up...
Mate, how on earth did you 'get' that 'one thing' from my wanting to rid science and humanity discourse of BOT sabotage, intimidation of those minds too weak in character to tell 'it' where to 'get off'?

Seems you're proving me correct re naives/cowards appeasing crazies and psychopath.

Haven't you heard?...anonymity on the net is 'hackable'. And pathology of 'Uncle Ira' indicates 'it' a danger to all if 'appeased' not confronted. Be brave, now, artist :)
Whydening Gyre
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 22, 2014
Sheesh, RC...(Hands thrown up)
Humour wasn't your strong suit, was it...
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (8) Aug 22, 2014
Hi Forum. :)
I must thank CaptS-Half-Truther for providing me with a perfect opportunity to tell exactly what went down at sciforum....
...PERMABANNED for trolling and flaming/baiting AGAIN...if you will look at this link: http://www.scifor...list.php
The rest of the background story that Cap-Stupid-Liar won't tell you is:

The same "Dr_toad" who tried trolling here at Phy.Org and was 'deleted' for trolling and harrassing (and came back as "saposjoint" SOCK), then went over to sciforums as Dr-Toad", to continue his trolling/hrrassing me there. He was so DRUNK that he chose a 'dead thread' poster who Dr_Toad MISTOOK for ME!...and proceeded to bait and goad and gloat about my soon getting banned again there.

That was not idle wishing on his part, because Dr_Toad is also the "saposjoint.net" SITE OWNER where his friend, the CROOKED MOD-TROLL called "TRIPPY", also hangs out. So no surprise it was (as usual) this same crooked MOD-TROLL gangmember who banned me...EVEN THOUGH it was HIS FRIEND "Dr-Toad" who made the baiting/gloating mistaken-identity trolling post against who he mistakenly thought was ME!

How's that for the latest example of "Trippy" mod-troll crooked performance, folks? LOL

Trippy and his friend Dr-Toad, patently obvious co-conspirators in there crooked 'bait and ban' tactics and abuse of mod-position over at sciforums for personal agendas, lets his 'mate' Dr-Toad (perpetrator) off scott free while he bans Dr-Toad's VICTIM (me)!

Perfect illustration of 'method' and proof of the insidious nature of the same old mod-troll-sock-bot 'forum mafia' gang which has been active for YEARS across a number of sites, abusing their fraudulently connived mod-powers/positions for personal ego-tripping agendas, for which "Trippy" mod-troll is aptly named!

So, we've had "Uncle Ira" sock-bot-troll permabanned by a FAIR mod over at sciforums.

Then we have the VICTIM (me) being permabanned by CROOKED mod "Trippy", friend of sock-bot-troll Dr-Toad (PERPETRATOR) over at sciforums!

Also what Cap-Hypocrite-Liar doesn't want you to remember is that he also has recently JOINED 'saposjoint' and become 'firends' with both the Dr-Toad and Trippy over there. And the Dr-Toad ADMITTED here that he and his 'friends' COLLUDED in the 'back room' via PM to troll and harrass and SABOTAGE free and open science discourse across sites!

And now this idiotic CapS-Nincompoop tries to SNOW you and tell you HALF-TRUTHS, in the finest traditions of the old "Forum Mafia" MOD-TROLL GANG methods!

Poor poor CapS, Uncle Ira, Dr-Toad, saposjoint and Trippy....forever bound up together with their own web of lies, half-truths and abuses of mod position for personal ego and anti-scince-ethics agendas! Poor poor things. Take pity on them, folks...for truth and posterity will have none when their chicken lies and crimes against science and humanity discourse come home to roost eventually.

Thank you again, CapS-Dumbass, for this perfect excuse to again expose your 'half-truth' way of doing 'due diligence' in obtaining/presenting your 'bias-selected facts'.

Good luck to all honestly genuine (non-crooked) mods, admins, scientists and humane individuals here and everywhere. Cheers! :)
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (6) Aug 22, 2014
Hi Whyde. :)
Sheesh, RC...(Hands thrown up)
Humour wasn't your strong suit, was it...

Mate, be sensible. There are some things which are not suitable subjects for 'humor'. Especially appeasement of crazies/psychopaths of all kinds. History shows what happens (witness Putin's crazy/psychopathic invasion/terrorizing of Ukraine because he 'calculated' that the rest of the world would 'appease' and not oppose his madness there). See what happens when such pathology as exhibited by "uncle Ira' and gang is naively 'excused' as 'humor' and or 'harmless'...until it's too late for some poor sod who becomes their next victim. And if you believe it's ok, then go back into Uncle Ira's post history and see where more than once he has threatened others physical harm; eg:
You cross me, and I'll cut you where you stand or shoot you if you run.

That about says it all about the type of mentality you are playing at appeasing/excusing there, Whyde.

Good luck with that, artist. :)
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Aug 22, 2014
Good luck to all honestly genuine (non-crooked) mods, admins, scientists and humane individuals here and everywhere. Cheers! :)


Should we send the deputies out to do a well being check on you Cher?

But let me tell you the one thing Skippy. I have never been to sapper's joint. I don't know what that is or what it is about. So no put me in the trouble you had there. And let me tell one another thing. That was not me at the sciforum-Skippy place. That was probably you snip/gluing my material from here trying to prove that the international-moderator-troll-mafia-gang was really after the Really-Skippy. That was not me so quit telling that GREAT BIG LIE.

You just the silly p'tit boug with the mental condition, but the silly looking pointy cap does look good on you.

Now don't make me come back to defend the science and the humanity and my honor from your silly dishonorable crazy stuffs. Leave me out of your crazy stuffs Really-Skippy. Tu p'tit boug et grand couyon you.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (8) Aug 22, 2014
Hey folks, now the Uncle Ira moron thinks you are fools. Uncle Ira's 'friend' CapS-Liar is a member over at saposjoint. He is a 'friend' of the owner there, and of the same 'Trippy' crooked mod-troll at both sapos and sciforums...where their 'mutual friend' Dr-Toad (aka 'saposjoint' sock-troll-bot) now trolls and colludes with 'friend' Trippy crooked mod to ban his victims instead of himself, the perpetrator.

No end to what lameness and stupidity issues from these trolling idiots pretending to have any relevance of worth to humanity and science discourse, other than abusing/sabotaging and giving all honest and true scientists a bad reputation when they claim to be 'speaking' for them.

Poor poor sods, Uncle Ira, Trippy, the Toad and the CapS gang. Doomed to the darkest mentality imaginable...sociopaths and liars and abusers of every decent ethic of science and humanity discourse. Shame. Sad.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Aug 22, 2014
@ Really-Skippy what is it going to take for you to leave me out of all your crazy baby crying foolishment?

I make the deal with you Skippy. I will give you only the 5 karma point votes if you leave me out of all your postums. How about that podna? I give you 5 karma votes and don't say nothing to you or about you, and all you got to do is leave me out of your whining baby crying about the moderator-troll-mafia-bot things?

Is it a deal?
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (7) Aug 22, 2014
Hey folks, now the Uncle Ira bot-psycho-sock is pleading to be left alone. LOL

Poor Uncle Ira bot-operating nitwit hoped the forum didn't notice his lies and sabotaging activities in collusion with CapS-idot and Dr-Toad/saposjoint socks.

Poor poor gang of crazies forced to plead for mercy from their victims.

How poetically ironic is that, folks!

It doesn't occur to them that all this exposure and opposition (to their madness against all proper science and humanity ethics/discourse) will 'go away' if they but stopped in their collusions and abuses in order to intimidate and ban honestly genuine members.

Hey Uncle Ira, CapS and Trippy and Dr_Toad/saposjoint and mod-troll-sock-bot 'friends'....how about apologizing to your victims, and stopping your idiocy on the forums. Ever think of that as a way to stop being exposed and rightly ridiculed? Try it. :)
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Aug 22, 2014
@ Really-Skippy. Remember Cher you had another option and choosing the wrong one is on you couyon.

Laissez les bons temps rouler Really-Skippy. Watch your self in the tall grass and you might want to double up on your meds because there might be creatures lurking in the grass that will make you crazy. More crazy than you already are I mean.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (6) Aug 22, 2014
Hey folks, the Uncle Ira BOT operator is threatening a member who exposed and ridiculed 'it'. How nice to see that doing my conscientious duty exposing these idiot-sock-bot-mod-troll gangs is making them feel uncomfortable and not as 'invulnerable' as they used to think themselves. Typical bullies. Just cowards and gangmembers of cowardly gangs is all they ever are. They soon 'squeal' like pigs and beg for mercy when challenged and confronted with their abuses and idiocy.

Note that this 'bot' used '1' downvotes from a programmed list to intimidate irrespective of posted content. And NOW it 'thinks' it can use the INDUCEMENT of '5' upvotes to get me to stop exposing 'them'. LOL

It hasn't stopped to realize that its abuse of the ratings system is the VERY reason why it has been EXPOSED and ridiculed as an anti-science-ethic MORON trying to SKEW science and humanity discourse with fear/bribery tactics which only the weak-minded and cowardly would be scared/swayed by.

Poor mindless sod!
Mimath224
5 / 5 (7) Aug 22, 2014
@RealityCheck 'So relax, our Natural System has plenty 'final solution wild cards' up its sleeve, ready to 'play as necessary' to rebalance planetary dynamics. G'luck!:)'

Is one of those '...wild cards' to get rid of us humans? Just a thought Ha!
Never mind, we can always hope for asteroid to wipe us out before climate change does.

Natural Selection...


Yes, quite. Wonder if there is a similar process for the trolls here lol?
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (5) Aug 22, 2014
Hi Mimath. :)
Is one of those '...wild cards' to get rid of us humans? Just a thought Ha!

Yep! You picked up correctly on the intentionally allusory phrases...
'final solution wild cards'...ready to 'play as necessary'
The 'Final Solution' is elliptical reference to killing off 'en masse' of whole populations. And the 'wild cards' held/played by Nature are extremes of weather/pests/disease etc etc which man-caused CO2/Global Climate may unleash if we cannot solve for it. In other words, nature will 'solve' the problem for us (by exterminating us en masse) if we don't do something to rebalance/prevent the CO2 'tipping point' scenario before nature 'tips' towards weather/climate extremes 'wild cards'.

Well picked-up on my subtle allusions there, Mimath.

Cheers and good luck in your part of the world! :)
antigoracle
1.7 / 5 (6) Aug 23, 2014
So, what is the CO2 tipping point.
Whydening Gyre
4 / 5 (4) Aug 23, 2014
Actually, I think this article implies that we are past a tipping point and now must prepare for the consequences.
It seems they have chosen to believe it's "game over"...
I say - "not til the fat lady sings..."

runrig
4.5 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014
So, what is the CO2 tipping point.


There is no "tipping point" - as the Earth pre-industrial was in balance with the natural sinks/sources of CO2 (at current orbital characteristics).
From the moment mankind started tipping that balance it will have warmed (not measurable). When the volume of the bloody stuff we spew into the atmosphere was sufficient for it to become evident we were already locked into more rise due the storage/catch-up process.

Any talk of tipping points now I would imagine is for the 2C rise that is considered a particular danger level.

This is how the CO2 content of CO2 looks over the last few thousand years.

http://www.skepti...ears.gif



Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014
Remember Cher you had another option and choosing the wrong one is on you couyon
@IRA
VERY WELL PUT... and you will notice that even in his rant there is no "half-truth" or lie exposed, right? you will see that I've never lied a bit... in fact, it shows where I told the truth. he was permabanned! The funny thing is... Dr. Toad didn't report him for flaming/baiting... the other members on the thread did, and I reported him to ANOTHER mod, who passed it back to Trippy because it was HIS thread to MOD. LMFAO
just let him rant, IRA... and when he does, especially when it is off-topic like that, just downvote it and report it. eventually he will be banned from here too.
Now I get some $$$ because I told the MOD he was going to post here that he was a victim! LOL

I say - "not til the fat lady sings..."
@Whyde
it seems to me more that they are trying to get attention so that people will stop being stupid and accept reality of AGW and DO SOMETHING about it instead of fight it
Captain Stumpy
4.6 / 5 (9) Aug 23, 2014
Actually, I think this article implies that we are past a tipping point and now must prepare for the consequences.
@Whyde
sorry... got cut off

what I was saying... it appears more that the scientists are trying to get people to accept the SCIENCE which is overwhelming and quit fighting against it based upon the RUMORS which are simply unsubstantiated and thrown out there to undermine the science.

when there is THAT much evidence available it is hard to believe that someone would ignore it just to placate a delusion or because of peer pressure. The people who deny the science are not just ignorant, they sometimes ignore the facts out of stupidity: http://arstechnic...nformed/

that article is almost STUNNING in its uncovered blatant stupidity... people IGNORE SCIENCE because they think they have to based upon some fallacious designation of their peers.
WOW, right?

read that link...
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014
you will see that I've never lied a bit... in fact, it shows where I told the truth. he was permabanned!


@ Captain-Skippy, maybe he will win a prize for one of the interweb experiments he keeps confirming like the last time and they will let him back in with a new name.

But you are my witness, I made for him a very generous offer and he couldn't even get humble enough to go home with everything he was asking for. He choose that I should cut him if he stands there and shoot him if he runs (we coonass are lazy like that.) He raise the black flag and you know what? It can just flutter in the breeze because ol Ira don't care what that fool has to say, it's all foolishment.

I still think he is the 40 or 35 year old who lives in a home for peoples with a mental condition. And not in the Australia either. Closer than that. I'm doing one of those interweb experiments to gather up some more datas on my "Theory of the Really-Skippy-Toe-Troll" pretending on the interweb.
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (6) Aug 23, 2014
I still think he is the 40 or 35 year old who lives in a home for peoples with a mental condition.
@Ira
I think you are right.
Closer than that.
you should join www.sciforums.com or http://saposjoint.net/Forum/
but be warned right now, they are HEAVILY moderated and they are not tolerant like here.
the good thing is... you can PM me when you get in the required good number of posts... then I can tell you more info and give you some links for your study... show you how to research a little
so your study can go better.
I made for him a very generous offer
I agree, but you cannot reason with the insane. you cannot even try because when you do, unless you conform to the delusion, you will automatically undermine or prove the delusion wrong, which he cannot live with.
There is MUCH from my study & collection that you can use to learn from

PEACE

RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014
Poor CapS-Insane.
]@IRA: VERY WELL PUT... and you will notice that even in his rant there is no "half-truth" or lie exposed, right? you will see that I've never lied a bit... in fact, it shows where I told the truth. he was permabanned! The funny thing is... Dr. Toad didn't report him for flaming/baiting... the other members on the thread did, and I reported him to ANOTHER mod, who passed it back to Trippy because it was HIS thread to MOD. LMFAO
just let him rant, IRA... and when he does, especially when it is off-topic like that, just downvote it and report it. eventually he will be banned from here too.
Now I get some $$$ because I told the MOD he was going to post here that he was a victim! LOL
Recap: Dr_Toad drunkenly chooses a 'dead thread' poster at random and, thinking it was me, starts to bait, goad about banning me etc, and YOU say he didn't report ME, but YOU did, for being the target of Dr_Toad's unprovoked drunken trolling attack? And Trippy bans ME? Insane trolls! :)
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (6) Aug 23, 2014
and YOU say he didn't report ME, but YOU did,
because he provided EVIDENCE to me that you've used that name in the past as an account, which was good enough for me.

Trippy banned you legitimately. you broke the rules. and just like when I broke the rules I was dinged, you got dinged... you just chose your opponent poorly. poke the MODS and bait the MODS and you are likely to get exactly what you are deserving.

I can be very fair about this!

tell you what... why don't you just PM me at sapo's page or sciforums and we can discuss this... then I can SHOW you the evidence?

RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 23, 2014
CapS.
because he provided EVIDENCE to me that you've used that name in the past as an account, which was good enough for me
Dr-Toad is a lying drunken fool if he says I am Gerry Nightingale.

It was obvious it wasn't me because mods checked names out as to ISP etc.

I never 'hid' from such scrutiny, even when making my experiments exposing mod-troll abuses, and it was easy for mods to check who it was after experiment over.

You're a drunken-fool's-fool if you believe/promulgate his lie to you.

Trippy banned you legitimately. you broke the rules.
Challenging blatant abuses by mod-troll gangmembers is 'taboo' because one may get banned?

So, you'd rather join, appease, collude via PMs with crazy mod-troll gangs because it's 'safer' for YOU? Cowardly/Selfish.

just PM me at sapo's page or sciforums... then I can SHOW you the evidence?
I can't access sapo's/sciforums anymore. And there CAN'T BE any such 'evidence', since I NEVER was a "Gerry". Mistaken ID.
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (6) Aug 23, 2014
So, you'd rather join, appease, collude ...Cowardly/Selfish
it is called obeying the rules that are set for everyone, which apply to everyone.
thinking differently is only fallacy based upon conspiracy theory and the belief that somehow no rules should apply to you... is that what you are saying?
and calling names is not helping your chances of anything but further expulsion-
there ARE some mods that are power hungry, and there are means to combat this spelled out in the rules. you should have used them
but instead you chose to ignore them, like here.
And there CAN'T BE any such 'evidence', since I NEVER was a "Gerry". Mistaken ID.
perhaps this is true, but you can't prove it unless you are able to access IP addresses and administrative background on a site... so why should I believe YOU over a MOD who does? especially considering your posting history?
I can't access sapo's/sciforums anymore
and WHY is that?
RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 23, 2014
CapS. :) Since when does the victim of mistaken ID/lies have to 'prove' anything beyond the fact that I have never used "Gerry Nightingale" name for my experiments? I have told you it wasn't me, and that I have never 'hidden' from checks as to who it was when I experimented. It's obviously mistaken-ID-based lie which you 'believed' without doing your own proper due diligence as to the actual facts. This frequent failure is what leads you to be so 'certain' even when you are patently wrong. You even 'believed' the BICEP2 'work/claims' were 'proper science' when it patently was just a foolishly rushed 'rivalry driven' publish-or-perish 'exercise, as mainstreamers also confirmed. That is why I always urge due cuation and own due diligence at all times...even in this case!...before being so 'trusting' of obviously mistaken 'claims'. Be a scientist, not personality cult driven mod-troll gang trolling 'whore' like you've come across as so far, ok?

When mods go bad, they 'game' the rules. :)
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (6) Aug 23, 2014
@RC
you didn't answer the question
I can't access sapo's/sciforums anymore


and WHY is that?
Mimath224
4.7 / 5 (6) Aug 23, 2014
@Whydening Gyre & runrig etc. The impications I see are that prior to the 'industrial revolution' we weren't affecting the environment that much. I don't think it's a simple as that because as soon as humanity came out of the 'dark ages' we stepped onto the ladder from farming to applying similar ideas to other areas. Can we and should we blame ourselves for being ignorant of what the consequences were going to be, not having the tech at that time. Surely it's only recently that things have snowballed. One important marker was the point of becoming a 'throw away' society where it became cheaper to buy new rather than repair. From there it was Greed all the way...general public wanting more and others getting rich on the demand. Now we've reached the point where as soon as a new item goes on the market its successor is already on the drawing board. There's only one answer, STOP. But let's be realistic, STOP won't happen and slowing down is not in agreement either. Sad but true!

RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 24, 2014
CapS.
RC you didn't answer the question
I can't access sapo's/sciforums anymore
and WHY is that?
What did you think this was, CapS?
When mods go bad, they 'game' the rules. :)
Anyhow, since you've been told you were lied to about me; and that the record shows that Trippy/Dr_Toad are friends and ADMITTED colluding behind the scenes via PM to harass/troll etc in intentional bait-and-ban provocations and lying attacks, what is it you STILL don't 'get' about troll-mod gang METHOD of banning for personal agendas and their colluding to ABUSE the rules for their own ends? Why do you ask again when you've already been given answer; ie: MOD-TROLL COLLUSION to ABUSE mod power to ban people against all decent and fair ethics and rules, while CROOKED mod's 'friends'/'protected trolls' who collude/assist the mod-troll gang gets off scott free (like Dr_Toad did)? Are you really that far removed from 'integrity' that you STILL ignore elephant in the room? Why is that? In denial. :)
howhot2
5 / 5 (7) Aug 24, 2014
Oh my god; @RealityCheck has taken too much LSD. MOD-TROLL COLLUSION to ABUSE mod power CROOKED STILL gang METHOD ADMITTED STILL ABUSE fair ethic.

In other words: It really sucks loosing an argument.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (6) Aug 25, 2014
Hi howhot2. :)
n other words: It really sucks loosing an argument.
What argument is that, exactly, mate?

Re proven-by-experiment mod-troll gang trolling/banning rule abuses/methods? :)

The same argument confirmed by the above-just-quoted example of the latest instance of same by Trippy in Collusion with Dr_Toad at sciforums?...the same Dr_toad who was unceremoniously bundled out of here for obvious baiting/trolling/insulting etc, and came back as the 'sock' "saposjoint"?

The forum notes that neither CapS nor saposjoint have any supporting evidence for their lie-mongering and denial of the proven/exposed abuses I pointed to above. So what is the purpose of 'howhot2' making his completely irrelevant and fact-empty trolling post now that CapS and saposjoint have no leg to stand on at all for their own malicious unscientific/unethical lie-and-half-truth-based behavior in all this.

howhot2, mate, you are 'excess to requirements'...we have enough mod-troll types here already. :)
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (3) Aug 25, 2014
What did you think this was, CapS?
an excuse trying to absolve yourself of any personal responsibility in the matter

Now
I can't access sapo's/sciforums anymore
WHY is that?

no conjecture. no personal pity party. no allusions to "elephants in the room"
WHY?

and prove it! because the posts where you are baiting/flaming were saved... therefore there is PROOF of what you are accused of per the BAN list: http://www.scifor...list.php

again: WHY can't you access those pages?
Al-Lex1000
5 / 5 (2) Aug 25, 2014
6 meters is not 200 feet. That said, most of these comments are very disappointing. With this small caliber of discourse we don't stand any chance at all.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Aug 25, 2014
6 meters is not 200 feet
@Al-Lex1000
I am sure that was a typo and they meant 60 meters... perhaps you should ask the author?
these comments are very disappointing. With this small caliber of discourse
that is because the site is flooded with those who deny science and think that a blog or opinion site is evidence against the scientific method and the overwhelming evidence of AGW.

when you want discourse, you must post a relevant comment, support it with empirical evidence or links to relevant studies supporting your conjecture, then weed out the troll responses and talk to the ones arguing science.

Runrig, Thermodynamics, Maggnus, Pink Elephant, Da Schneib and a few others are well versed in the subject (Runrig is a meteorologist).
appeal to them for information and you will progress
ignore the rest... some of the arguments go back FAR too long
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (4) Aug 25, 2014
6 meters is not 200 feet. That said, most of these comments are very disappointing. With this small caliber of discourse we don't stand any chance at all.

Feel free to set the bar, Al...
Eddy Courant
1 / 5 (4) Aug 25, 2014
Oh no! The glaciers are coming.. the glaciers are coming!
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (5) Aug 25, 2014
Hi CapS. :) Try and remember what you said, mate:
just PM me at sapo's page or sciforums
I can't access sapo's/sciforums anymore
and WHY is that?
When mods go bad, they 'game' the rules. :)


The response was tp your suggestion that I should PM you at those sites....and banned members cannot do that. Hence my answer, which as you would have known was reference to my being banned by the mod-trolls there while the trolls got off scott free.

Have you got that straight now?

And what makes you think I don't have the relevant post of Dr_Toad trolling/baiting me at Sciforums, and my FYI posts to the Forum saying that Dr_Toad's post was being reported for me and why?

For someone professing to be an "Investigator", considering your tenuous grasp on the 'facts' based on your 'cavalier half-truth/lying way of 'collecting/presenting' your so-called 'proofs', you make a meal of even the most straightforward exhange like that above re your suggestion I PM you at sites which you already know I was banned by mod-troll tactics from. Must be a record for both incompetence and malice aforethought biasing an (ahem) 'investigation', what!

And as to that 'proof', here is what went down...

A banned member called "Gerry Nightingale" had made a last post in a thread of his...
http://www.scifor...t3196868
...which had been allowed to 'die'.

MONTHS later the NEWLY registered Dr_Toad troll drunkenly and stupidly and maliciously TROLLED WITH INTENT through SCIFORUMS threads, bent on STALKING and HARRASSING and BAITING me there as well!...obviously....since he chose that 'dead' thread and its hapless banned member to 'respond' to WRONGLY thinking it was me, posting THIS...
http://www.scifor...t3217841

...and I quote Dr_Toad TROLL mistakenly harrassing not only a banned member, but also MORONICALLY and DRUNKENLY and MALIGANTLY mistaking that banned member for me while he went about his SABOTAGE and bait-and-ban business as a 'protected' mod-troll FRIEND of the TRIPPY MOD-TROLL gang, as follows:
Hah! It's RC, back again. Going to be banned soon again are you, mate?


Now here is the Hilariously Hysterical Hypocritical CapS-farcical 'touch' in all this...

The (ahem) 'upstanding and honorable' Captain Stumpy and the rest of the troll-mod gang members did NOT report Dr_Toad....oh, no, that would have been too 'honest' for such scumbag vermin to consider doing!...no...they INSTEAD reported ME (the victim of Dr_Toad's troll craziness) when I posted this FYI for the forum...
http://www.scifor...t3217889
...and I quote myself (aka Undefined):
FYI Forum: Post #118 by "Dr_Toad" has been REPORTED for blatantly malicious baiting/trolling and falsely accusing with intent in 'bait and ban' tactics; and for preemptively boasting that his (obviously mistaken identity of Gerry Nightingale with RC) victim will 'soon be banned again' (by an 'obliging' moderator 'friend' of Dr_Toad's, presumably?).


So the CapS 'investigation' is again far from proper or unbiased. His methods and biases are patently self-serving and designed to cement his own 'standing' and 'conniving' with the same MOD-TROLL gang which he, saposjoint/Dr_Toad and TRIPPY et al belong to who have used and abused the rules via premeditated/prejudiced 'bait and ban' tactics to ban those who challenge them and expose them.

Too bad, CapS, that the forum HERE is able to read the record for themselves insread of depending on your (ahem) 'impartiality' in this and other related matters, hey? :)

PS: Re BICEP2 matter, did you see paddoboy's thread/posts over at sciforums?...
http://www.scifor...t3219198

...where he at lest had the courage to face the facts eventually, and post information which supports my caution to do your own due diligence before believing the BICEP2 'work/claims' at the time as anything 'significant'! Kudos paddoboy for that at least! :)
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (4) Aug 25, 2014
Hi Forum. :) Regarding the 'worst' that climate change can throw at us, it should be clearly understood that the TRANSITION period from old to new 'climate/patterns' will take many decades, even after tipping point has happned (ie, warming sufficient to release even vaster amounts of previously sequestered Methane/CO2 from Clathrates etc in permafrost and ocean sediment). So it has always been EXPECTED that the planet, while trying to rebalance with the additional heat input, localized/regional 'swings' will occur in weather/climate extremes from one to the other more frequently/unpredictably than we and our civilization/agriculture, transport/communication/energy system have ever GLOBALLY experienced before in humanity's history. Anyhow, don't be lulled into a false sense of security just because temporary 'to-and-fro' in temps and weather 'respites' locally/globally. Because the planet is 'buffering' TEMPORARILY, but eventually will 'run out' of 'buffering' LEEWAY. Good luck y'all!:)
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (4) Aug 25, 2014
Careful, RC. You are, basically, plagiarizing the determinations of all those people at the conference and the author of this article...
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (1) Aug 26, 2014
Careful, RC. You are, basically, plagiarizing the determinations of all those people at the conference and the author of this article...

Careful, Whyde, there are some subjects not suitable for attempts at 'humor', remember? :)

Anyhow, as to the matter involved, anyone familiar with my posts over many years here and elsewhere, pointing out the LONG OBVIOUS TRANSITION aspects/expectations regarding weather/climate 'extremes' and temporary 'buffering' processes/periods, will tell you that I do not 'plagiarize' anything, but that I think things out for myself based on my own independent observations/knowledge.

And since there are also many other objective observers/scientists who have done likewise for decades now about all this, then all the above 'indications/expectations' would of course have BEEN 'long obvious' to all who observe and think on this topic.

Maybe your next attempt at humor will treat something that IS a suitable subject for humor, Whyde?

Good luck, mate! :)