Sun emits three X-class flares in 2 days

Jun 11, 2014
Three X-class flares erupted from the left side of the sun June 10-11, 2014. These images are from NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory and show light in a blend of two ultraviolet wavelengths: 171 and 131 angstroms. The former is colorized in yellow; the latter, in red. Credit: NASA/SDO

On June 11, 2014, the sun erupted with its third X-class flare in two days. The flare was classified as an X1.0 and it peaked at 5:06 a.m. EDT. Images of the flare were captured by NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory. All three flares originated from an active region on the sun that recently rotated into view over the left limb of the sun.

To see how this event may affect Earth, please visit NOAA's Space Weather Prediction Center at http://spaceweather.gov, the U.S. government's official source for space weather forecasts, alerts, watches and warnings.

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cantdrive85
1 / 5 (10) Jun 12, 2014
Don't be surprised if there is increased severe weather over the next few days to weeks.

http://phys.org/n...rth.html

http://phys.org/n...eld.html

There was also an X-class flare that preceded the March 2011 9.0 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Japan, among numerous other examples of such a correlation.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (12) Jun 12, 2014
among numerous other examples of such a correlation.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.
rockwolf1000
4.7 / 5 (12) Jun 12, 2014
Don't be surprised if there is increased severe weather over the next few days to weeks.

http://phys.org/n...rth.html

There was also an X-class flare that preceded the March 2011 9.0 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Japan, among numerous other examples of such a correlation.


Can we expect a new grand canyon too?
Jantoo
5 / 5 (4) Jun 12, 2014
among numerous other examples of such a correlation
IMO such a flare should be heading toward Earth for to have an effect to Earth crust.
Uncle Ira
3.5 / 5 (8) Jun 12, 2014
among numerous other examples of such a correlation
IMO such a flare should be heading toward Earth for to have an effect to Earth crust.


@ Socratic-Skippy, are you with cantdrive-Skippy on this one? Can the really big sun eruption cause earthquakes here or Japan? Somehow that don't sound right to me and I've been looking for something since I first read the cantdrive-Skippy saying that this morning. There was not anything I could find so I just figured it was more or his foolishment like the Grand Canyon stuffs that makes him sound like the Couyon-Grande-Skippy. (that means big stupid Skippy in the Cajun french.)
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (9) Jun 13, 2014
Yeah, the energy absorbed by the magnetic field is meaningless...
http://phys.org/n...rth.html

And to suggest that telluric (electric) currents induced by space weather is pseudoscience...
http://phys.org/n...her.html

What the heck is a telluric current...
http://www.nap.ed...page=232
http://thewatcher...-stream/

Which then makes one ponder...
http://www.washin...her.html

And the suggestion that these currents actually do anything to the crust is preposterous...
http://www.scient...eund.pdf

You mean they flow through the water too? Maybe that energy flows through the atmosphere and connects up to the ionosphere...
http://link.sprin...X#page-1

Not always Zeph..
http://phys.org/n...rth.html
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (9) Jun 13, 2014
You can see when the power of the current increases so to does the power of these hurricanes.
http://www.scienc...4027.htm

More...
http://www.scienc...ts-5940/

Here is your X-class flare before March 2011 Japan earthquake...
http://spaceweath...ear=2011
http://www.space....are.html

Here is a major ionospheric disturbance over the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami...Likely cause by these same currents.
http://onlinelibr...200/full

And then there's Tesla and his brilliance...
"So astounding are the facts in this connection, that it would seem as though the Creator himself had electrically designed this planet..." Tesla

Let's not forget the "creator" (energy) and our connection to it...
http://science.na..._themis/
cantdrive85
1.4 / 5 (10) Jun 13, 2014
among numerous other examples of such a correlation.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I'm lambasted whether I make a claim, or a suggestion. Sheesh.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (8) Jun 13, 2014
Can the really big sun eruption cause earthquakes here or Japan? Somehow that don't sound right to me and I've been looking for something since I first read the cantdrive-Skippy saying that this morning. There was not anything I could find so I just figured it was more or his foolishment

Looks like you just don't know where to look.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (8) Jun 13, 2014
I'm lambasted whether I make a claim, or a suggestion

No. You're just blasted when you try to look smart by using scientific sounding words of which you very obviously don't know what they mean.
...which is near constant in your case.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 13, 2014
I'm lambasted whether I make a claim, or a suggestion

No. You're just blasted when you try to look smart by using scientific sounding words of which you very obviously don't know what they mean.
...which is near constant in your case.


I used a word, and correctly as far as the definition of the word is concerned;
Correlation- mutual relation of two or more things, parts, etc...Synonyms: interdependence, interrelationship, interconnection.
http://dictionary...relation

So what's your point? Right, deflection from the fact that I included all sorts of sciency sounding articles which support my claims of the possible interrelationship of all of these phenomena. Typical, and near constant in your case. Should we start discussing salary and how much scientists are overpaid in the public sector.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (8) Jun 13, 2014
So what's your point?

The point is that saying
"X happened and then some (unsepcified number of) days later sometims Y happens" is NOT a correlation.

Simple example: I breathe within a few seconds of the sun coming up. Every day. That's not a correlation.
(As if you do the statistics you will see that my breathing and sunrise are orthogonal. The sun comes up whether I breathe or not and I breathe every few seconds whether the sun comes up or not)

Same with your perceived interconnections of solar flares and randomly chosen events. That's not correlation. That's just Pareidolia/Apophenia.
Modernmystic
1 / 5 (8) Jun 13, 2014
@AA

Totally playing the devil's advocate here, but aren't some of us saying...

There is a rise in CO2, and the Earth is warming up.
I believe at points in the past the Earth has warmed up without a rise in CO2, and at points in the past there's been a rise in CO2 with no immediate rise in temperature...
n'est-ce pas?

Just saying.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (8) Jun 13, 2014
There is a rise in CO2, and the Earth is warming up.

Yes. Because there's a mechanism that connects the two. It's not just a matter of saying "X seems to behave like Y so they must be connected"

I believe at points in the past the Earth has warmed up without a rise in CO2

Several mechanisms can transfer heat. Then there are buffer systems involved. Climate is not a simple process. That's why you have to do all these multivariate analyses to check which effects are CURRENTLY the ones that dominate and why you can't always point to past episodes as proof for (or against) a certain effect.

Between the Earth and solar flares there are no buffer systems. It's open space. That's a totally different critter from a statistical analysis point of view.
Modernmystic
1 / 5 (8) Jun 13, 2014
Climate is not a simple process. That's why you have to do all these multivariate analyses to check which effects are CURRENTLY the ones that dominate and why you can't always point to past episodes as proof for (or against) a certain effect.


Agreed. I think what we're saying to cantdrive then, is that this analysis has indeed been done to rule out solar flares and variance. We should probably point him to that research instead of critiquing his English (which was correct, even if his inferences on climate were incorrect). I think that would help him more, if it's even possible to convince him of anything at all...just my two cents.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (7) Jun 13, 2014
Well, if he tries to argue on a science site - believing he cites scientific sources - then he needs to be taught that his idea of what those scientific sources say is wrong: based on his misunderstanding of scientific terms.

If you use the term 'correlation' in a scientific context then you better know what it means in a scientific context. Otherwise you're just like a spirtualist who talks about 'forces' and 'energy' without knowing what the terms mean.
Modernmystic
1 / 5 (7) Jun 13, 2014
If you use the term 'correlation' in a scientific context then you better know what it means in a scientific context.


I think we're talking past each other here. He absolutely used the word correctly. He thinks there IS a scientific correlation between flares and temperature or climate. The fact that there isn't shows that there has been work done to demonstrate that. If he's unaware of this work, or isn't convinced by it is what is relevant here...not his vocabulary.

IOW the issue is that science shows there isn't a correlation between the two (therefore he should be pointed that way), not that it isn't possible for there to be a correlation between the two (therefore he shouldn't be pointed toward a dictionary).

Just like there has been work done to absolutely demonstrate the correlation between rising CO2 levels and temperature.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 13, 2014
Yes. Because there's a mechanism that connects the two. It's not just a matter of saying "X seems to behave like Y so they must be connected"

And I gave a multitude of examples of how that connection can and likely exists. When Kristian Birkeland stated;
"It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds."
it was based upon years of laboratory research with his Terella experiments. As far back as 1900 there are those who understood the direct connection the Sun has with the Earth, the fact that this is above your comprehension is totally a personal issue. Especially his all the evidence you seem to choose to ignore.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (8) Jun 13, 2014
He thinks there IS a scientific correlation between flares and temperature or climate. The fact that there isn't shows that there has been work done to demonstrate that. If he's unaware of this work, or isn't convinced by it is what is relevant here...not his vocabulary.


It's not just me, you miss the first post?

http://phys.org/n...rth.html

They state in that article;
"University of Reading researchers found a link between increased thunderstorm activity on Earth and streams of high-energy particles accelerated by the solar wind"

The streams of high energy particles is the key, and what exactly have we learned recently about introducing high energy particles into the atmosphere?

http://www.arabia...038.html

So essentially, given the correct conditions, flooding the atmosphere with ions creates not only lightning, but also rain and other weather phenomena.
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) Jun 13, 2014
So essentially, given the correct conditions, flooding the atmosphere with ions creates not only lightning, but also rain and other weather phenomena.


Well cantdrive-Skippy, saying that sounds a little bit different than saying the lighting causes earthquakes and grand canyons. Are you changing your mind about that?
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 13, 2014
I linked to a number of papers that describe telluric currents and how they can form from increased space weather. And it's rather obvious that those currents flowing through the ground could cause earthquakes and the "anomalous" electrical phenomena that has been associate with earthquakes.

Grand canyons require much larger energies, such as those found when two planetary bodies magnetic fields interact, such as Earth and Theia... Velikovsky covered that in detail decades ago.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Jun 13, 2014
Grand canyons require much larger energies, such as those found when two planetary bodies magnetic fields interact, such as Earth and Theia... Velikovsky covered that in detail decades ago.


What happen to the dinosaurs is that the thing you are talking about? I read about that right here on the physorg and it didn't make no grand canyon. It make the hole but it was barely able to see it unless you look at the right place knowing it's there.

The Grand Canyon you can see that thing from out in the space, I know that is right because I have seen the pictures of it. I ain't buying that magnet lightening caused it until some of the people around here who know about that stuffs chimes in and explain it for me.

Far as I can figure is the Grand Canyon got dug by the river flowing through it but that might not be right either. But the river thing sounds better than a magnet lightening bolt thing to me it does.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (7) Jun 13, 2014
But the river thing sounds better than a magnet lightening bolt thing to me it does
@Ira
Mee to Ira. Lets examine that for a moment. When lightning strikes the earth, and especially where there is a lot of sand, we get whats called Fulgerites. Lightning can leave other traces as well in the earth from a strike. Lightning-induced magnetic anomalies can be mapped in the ground (http://gji.oxford...t/6/1/85 & http://www.archae...IRM.html ) and analysis of magnetized materials can confirm lightning was the source of the magnetization (http://onlinelibr...F.f03t02 ) and provide an estimate of the peak current of the lightning discharge ( http://onlinelibr...abstract )
to be continued
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (7) Jun 13, 2014
But the river thing sounds better than a magnet lightening bolt thing to me it does
@Ira
Now, considering that the Grand Canyon is fairly well mapped and studied, and coming from an investigators point of view looking for evidence... how many fulgerites and how much evidence has been found of the lightning strike formation bullsh*t theory from cd?
none
nada
zip
zilch
zero
nothing
To make such a huge scar in the earth would take CONSIDERABLE amounts of energy, even the cranks at EU admit that much, but that kind of discharge would leave an incredible amount of evidence as well. Evidence that would NOT be washed away, eroded, or that would "disappear" in the time frame of millions of years, to which we claim is the age of the canyon. Therefore, you can say with great conviction, that the EU electric canyon philosophy has all the same standing as the "Fairy turds cause Milanvokich Cycles" theory
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Jun 13, 2014
@ Captain-Skippy I thought is was just more foolishment. I went out there and looked at the Grand Canyon about 25 or 23 years ago when I was going out to California to visit some relatives. Now I will tell you a tall tale about some thunderstorms I've been in, just to make the story better. But a thunderstorm that could dig out the Grand Canyon is what nobody would ever never believe. Shoot that ain't even a good theory if the scientists didn't already know about stuffs and they was just making up ideas to check out.

I've got me some chores to do so I will have to get with you tomorrow podna.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 14, 2014
When lightning strikes the earth, and especially where there is a lot of sand, we get whats called Fulgerites. Lightning can leave other traces as well in the earth from a strike.


First of all, you are the ones claiming lightning. What is being claimed by the EU is less specifically an arc discharge, lightning is one form but there are other types of arc discharge. And to claim to know exactly what would happen with a planetary sized discharge is rather ridiculous. There are innumerable combinations this discharge can occur depending upon the conditions and surfaces involved. That being said, there is plenty of evidence for fulgamites in the region not to mention the erratic geology of the entire region including areas surrounding Zion, Bryce, Lake Powell, Monument Valley, Painted desert, Arches NP, Canyonlands, Petrified Forest, Mogollon Rim, "Meteor" Crater, numerous rilles, etc... And there are plenty of magnetic anomalies in the region as well. Were not talking cloud to ground lightning here, this is closer to a welding arc than lightning.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 14, 2014
other types of arc discharge
@cd
doesn't matter HOW many types. it is STILL electrical, is it not? lightning is one visible known discharge that we CAN see and experiment with
to claim to know exactly what would happen with a planetary sized discharge is rather ridiculous
never said I knew exactly, but there WOULD be EVIDENCE similar if not the same
there is plenty of evidence for fulgamites in the region
a power large enough to scrape out the GC is not going to leave small fulgerites, moron. those in the area are likely due to lightning over the eons after formation. that large of a discharge would affect the crust of the planet MILES down and in HUGE traceable amounts... as in tunnels of glass and fused rock miles wide traveling down miles deep
there are plenty of magnetic anomalies in the region as well
not large enough to show that huge of a discharge. this is all calculable with modern physics.
your comment is equivalent to someone claiming to own Fairy Farts
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 14, 2014
There are innumerable combinations this discharge can occur depending upon the conditions and surfaces involved
@cd
and many of them have been studied... given the power of the discharge, which is roughly calculable, it would have a roughly calculable effect, to which there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that it ever occurred
Were not talking cloud to ground lightning here, this is closer to a welding arc than lightning.
and that is pretty much my point
we KNOW pretty well, based upon known laws of physics, what happens when lightning (or a welder) hits a great number of rocks, so extrapolating higher energies is not pseudoscience. IT gives predictable results, to which your precious EU cannot show any evidence of.

Your EU grand canyon religious theory has all the same credibility of ANY internet owner claiming that they have indisputable proof that Fairies are just Guardian Angels for Leprechauns.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 14, 2014
never said I knew exactly, but there WOULD be EVIDENCE similar if not the same

And there are fulgamites aplenty in the region. Note, a fulgamite is different than a fulgarite, you should learn the difference.

that large of a discharge would affect the crust of the planet MILES down and in HUGE traceable amounts... as in tunnels of glass and fused rock miles wide traveling down miles deep

Familiar with the Kiabab upward? What about the Colorado Plateau? Vishnu schist? Then there is the distinct layering of matter commonly associated with plasma discharge. There are also large amounts of hematite spherules in the region, just like the ones recreated in labs by plasma physicists.

not large enough to show that huge of a discharge. this is all calculable with modern physics.

Yep, so long as you know some variables, like when, charge differential, etc., without basic info such calculations are not possible.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (8) Jun 14, 2014
given the power of the discharge, which is roughly calculable, it would have a roughly calculable effect

Are you honestly suggesting that this has actually been done inre to geological processes? By whom? Who has actually "done the math" to rule this out? That being said, plasma discharge on far more vast scales occurs right now in our solar system.
http://prafulla.n...o-scale/
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 14, 2014
a fulgamite is different than a fulgarite, you should learn the difference
@cd
and please also note that the ONLY references that I found ont the internet to "fulgamites" also leads back to KNOWN pseudoscience sites, like your thunderbutts
so long as you know some variables
so you are saying that we cannot calculate the amount of energy that would be needed to excavate a known site, with known materiels/geology? really? we can draw general conclusions on how to do it with modern technology like dumptrucks and bulldozers but not electricity? WTF? really?
Familiar with the Kiabab upward? What about the Colorado Plateau? Vishnu schist?
really reaching here, and those have known compositions and show NO signs of being formed with electrical or plasma discharge
I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I am selling, cd, interested? really cheap! I only need a down payment right now... so... if you will fall for the EU crap, I know you will LOVE sunny, crime free Brooklyn NY!
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 14, 2014
That being said, plasma discharge on far more vast scales occurs right now in our solar system.
http://prafulla.n...o-scale/
@cd
so... what you are saying (or implying) is that some mysterious force moved Earth to the Sun and created a HUGE discharge that ONLY SHAPED THE GRAND CANYON and then shoved Earth back to it's natural orbit?
OR are you saying that ANOTHER mysterious star/planet/OTHER massive object come screaming through the solar system and created this discharge that ONLY AFFECTED the grand canyon?
OR are you just stupid and grasping at straws to support your EU religion which has all the same validity as the "UFO Abduction" (except that UFO abductee's are more popular and have more evidence that is plausible)

I also have Beachfront property along the Weddell Sea if you are interested... Or a nice cabin overlooking the Ross Sea. Plenty of light, as well as air conditioning!

cantdrive85
1 / 5 (6) Jun 14, 2014
First of all, I don't buy stuff from snake oil salesman such as yourself.
I think 'Neutron Starman' is a good nickname for you considering your skull density.
are you saying that ANOTHER mysterious star/planet/OTHER massive object come screaming through the solar system and created this discharge

Our ancestors claimed such things, nearly all mythology and ancient religions are based on such events. You must not be familiar with Velikovsky...
that ONLY AFFECTED the grand canyon?

You're not the brightest bulb are you? You haven't noticed the nearly ubiquitous nature of dendritic formations in geological features? And that is not only ubiquitous on Earth, but on many solid bodies in the solar system including Mars, Venus, Titan, etc., you know the ones without liquid water...
Uncle Ira
4.5 / 5 (8) Jun 14, 2014
Our ancestors claimed such things, nearly all mythology and ancient religions are based on such events.


@ cantdrive-Skippy, I don't understand what I think you are saying with that. I know you don't like the modern astrophysicist-Skippy and prefer the old dead ones who wrote theories from a long time ago. That is okayeee with me because I'm used to that. The Zephir-Skippy is fond of the old dead-physicist-Skippys too. But he wants to go by the Socratic-Skippy now for some reason I don't know.

But are you trying to tell us that the ancient preaching-Skippys and witch-doctoring-Skippys and the old long ago peoples who grubbed for berries making up stories around the cave fire know more than the modern geology-science-Skippys? How you figure that Cher? I think you really lost it now Skippy, or are you just making the joke with us?
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Jun 14, 2014
I think 'Neutron Starman' is a good nickname for you considering your skull density
@CD
and I think that your IQ is only outnumbered by your opposable big toes
Our ancestors claimed such things
my ancestors also claimed that the Thunder Beings walked among the forests as a large Eagle that would rise from the asjes of fires and lightning would strike from their eyes
You must not be familiar with Velikovsky
I rather enjoyed Tim's discussion here about his Venus BS: http://www.talkor...ung.html
You're not the brightest bulb are you
orders of magnitude above you, though...
the only problem with your EU theory you've proposed is that there is ZERO empirical evidence.
NONE
NADA
ZILCH
maybe you can argue when you find some? some that is supported by science, not religious crackpot sites like thunderbutts

...and I laugh at ANYONE who believes the crap out of EU... you WILL be scammed one day. it is in your nature to be a sucker... proven above!
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 14, 2014
I don't understand what I think you are saying with that. I know you don't like the modern astrophysicist-Skippy and prefer the old dead ones who wrote theories from a long time ago.


I think I read somewhere scientific data doesn't have an "expiration date", being that men like Birkeland, Langmuir, and Alfven produced real data via experimentation (not theoretical mumbo jumbo like modern astros) a long time ago is a moot point. As a matter of fact, Anthony Peratt is releasing a 2nd edition of his 'Physics of the Plasma Universe' this July with updated info/results from the last 20 years since edition 1. Better data/observation continues to confirm his theories, as you can read about in his book.

cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 14, 2014
But are you trying to tell us that the ancient preaching-Skippys and witch-doctoring-Skippys and the old long ago peoples who grubbed for berries making up stories around the cave fire know more than the modern geology-science-Skippys?

Those are your own words, never claimed such a thing. What was claimed was that most mythology and religions are based upon the ancient peoples experiences and what they witnessed. In that line, when the same/similar stories are told from many different peoples widely dispersed across the planet without contact (some isolated on islands thousands of miles from land), then yes there may be something to those claims. This is not to say they understood what they were witnessing, but it is far from chance that widely dispersed folks would have essentially the same stories/legends. Ancients had no reason to lie, unlike modern astrophysicists who need to earn a living or protect their chosen dogma like ol' Timmy T.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
Ancients had no reason to lie, unlike modern astrophysicists who need to earn a living or protect their chosen dogma
@cd
the ancients, just like the EU acolytes, actually BELIEVED the crap they talked about, but they believed it because they were INCAPABLE of learning anything else. at least the ANCIENTS had somewhat of an excuse: the lack of modern technology to learn... what is your excuse?
I've given you links to learn. you refuse to utilise them. this means that you are STUPID, not ignorant. YOU'VE been taught REAL PHYSICS, and you should be thankful that a real physicist took the time to help you, but instead you call him names. mostly because he has COMPLETELY DEBUNKED the EU religion.

your hate only proves and reinforces this point
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 15, 2014
@CD
and I think that your IQ is only outnumbered by your opposable big toes

Ouch, that stings...Anyway...

my ancestors also claimed that the Thunder... fires and lightning would strike from their eyes

Note all the reference to electrical discharge phenomena, it's not a coincidence. They didn't understand what they were seeing, so ascribed the mysterious occurrences to what they did "know".

I rather enjoyed Tim's discussion here about his Venus BS

That was a string of confirmation bias BS put forth by Timmy T, I couldn't agree more. I especially like the highly fallacious argument;
then one must demonstrate that the greenhouse explanation is either wrong, or inadequate.

All one need do is provide a viable explanation using known physics. Maxwell didn't need to show how his predecessors were wrong, he only needed to show how he was correct. Besides, many have shown that MHD is wrong and inadequate yet that hasn't stopped astrophysicists from using it religiously...
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
I've given you links to learn.

The ONLY thing ANYONE could POSSIBly learn fROM YoU is the INprOpeR uSE of the CAPSLOCK BUTTon.
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
Note all the reference to electrical discharge phenomena, it's not a coincidence
@cd
WTF? the Wakinyan Tanka (thunders) are mythological creatures used to describe Tornado's, the lightning that comes from them and the destruction that follows them (to which they believed had a purpose, which was part of the cycle of life)
there is NO confirmation there for your EU. Nor is there mythological confirmation for EU beliefs
They didn't understand what they were seeing, so ascribed the mysterious occurrences to what they did "know"
wrong again. they understood WHAT it was, just not the HOW or the WHY. THIS is how the myth of the Wakinyan began, not because some mystical EU claptrap about worlds discharging plasma making the big ditch!

what's next? Thor is real and was responsible for the GC? Maybe it was really just Autobots during re-entry? that has as much plausibility as EU, Wakinyan, the Norse gods or anything else... except the movies had better special effects
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
I've given you links to learn.

The ONLY thing ANYONE could POSSIBly learn fROM YoU is the INprOpeR uSE of the CAPSLOCK BUTTon.
@cd
and the only thing people learn from you is that any delusion you can think of can be every bit as real as any scientific theory or empirical evidence as long as you refuse to look at the reality of the world around you and keep doggedly sticking to your ideology.
highly fallacious argument
this is actually FUNNY coming from you! considering almost all your arguments are based in complete fallacy...LOL

don't like my caps? learn to promote REAL SCIENCE and then you will never have to deal with them!
forget about posting EU religion and known pseudoscience and you will not hear from me any more.

I promise.

p.s. don't use caps lock... only the shift key
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
what's next? Thor is real and was responsible for the GC?

Thor's Mjölnir was "lightning that could level mountains", and Thor is associated with Jupiter. Jupiter is real, and so too is lightning. The ancients were likely just describing what they witnessed.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (5) Jun 15, 2014
I must say I appreciate (honestly) you pointing out the Wakinyan or "Thunderbirds". Did a quick Wiki and found the short entry fascinating. The Wakinyan were created by Inyan: the First of the superior Gods; he existed BEFORE the beginning (sounds just like the mythology of Saturn/Chronos). Then I clicked the Inyan link, wow, blew me away.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 15, 2014
"Íŋyaŋ was the first of the superior gods. He existed before the beginning (Eden). He then created Makha (Earth) and gave it the spirit Makȟá-akáŋl (Earth goddess)(Gaia), the second of the superior gods and a part of Íŋyaŋ. Creating Makha required most of Inyan's blood (Manna), which was blue (purple light of creation), to form a great disk, beyond which there was nothing. after creating Makȟá, Íŋyaŋ was very weak. he created miniature versions of Makȟá(Gaia), and her lover, father sky(Uranus). Those miniatures were humans(modern humans, not giants). This effort made Íŋyaŋ hard and powerless. His blood became the blue waters and the sky, and Naǧí Tȟáŋka (Axis Mundi), the great Spirit who is all powerful and called Škáŋ (Sun), the third superior god. He was in North America."
The mythology is rife with reference to archetypes, the same archetypes associated with many other mythologies around the planet. It's amazing an "investigator" cannot see the obvious connections of the same story
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
If there were a murder investigation without a murder weapon but 100 people gave approximately the same testimony against the same defendant, that dude will fry in hell. Here we have 100's of mythologies and ancient religions with followers in the billions which largely tell the same stories, yet somehow considering the notion of common origin is beyond scientific approach. I agree empirical evidence is difficult to attain, but a comparison of ancient archetypes and the similarities thereof must be worth something. If done correctly, there is no reason a scientific approach can be made in the investigation of mythology and religion.

http://www.mythopedia.info/
antialias_physorg
4.5 / 5 (8) Jun 15, 2014
Thor's Mjölnir was "lightning that could level mountains", and Thor is associated with Jupiter. Jupiter is real, and so too is lightning.

Holy crap...that's the most crazy piece of non-logic I've seen from you (or anyone on this site) yet. Not even verkle can beat that.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
Thor's Mjölnir was "lightning that could level mountains", and Thor is associated with Jupiter. Jupiter is real, and so too is lightning.

Holy crap...that's the most crazy piece of non-logic I've seen from you (or anyone on this site) yet. Not even verkle can beat that.

When we discuss Thor's Mjölnir we are of course discussing another archetype. Whether it be Thor, Indra, Zeus, Brontes, Perun, Ishkur, Adad, Lei Gong, Raijin, Xolotl, Chaac, Set, Mamargan, Whaitiri, etc...; they are all gods of lightning and thunder and wield a thunderbolt or hammer. Nearly all fit into a similar storyline as the rest and don't preclude any region on Earth.
The reason it is not logical for you to listen to all these myths and the obvious common links is because your mind is cluttered with the prevailing doctrine and precludes your ability to think outside the box.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (5) Jun 15, 2014
Holy crap...that's the most crazy piece of non-logic I've seen from you (or anyone on this site) yet. Not even verkle can beat that.

When we discuss Thor's Mjölnir we are of course discussing another archetype. Whether it be Thor, Indra, Zeus, Brontes, Perun, Ishkur, Adad, Lei Gong, Raijin, Xolotl, Chaac, Set, Mamargan, Whaitiri, etc...; they are all gods of lightning and thunder and wield a thunderbolt or hammer. Nearly all fit into a similar storyline as the rest and don't preclude any region on Earth.
The reason it is not logical for you to listen to all these myths and the obvious common links is because your mind is cluttered with the prevailing doctrine and precludes your ability to think outside the box.

It should also be noted, nearly all of them were referred to as the planet Jupiter. It's odd a mere dot in the night sky would hold so much significance and be capable of such destruction.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
It's amazing an "investigator" cannot see the obvious connections of the same story
@cd
I have to admit... I almost thought you wouldn't take that bait... but I told my psyche class you would eventually take it and try to pull evidence out of historical myth. They didn't believe you would be so stupid, but I had faith in you. thanks for helping me rake in the dough on that one
somehow considering the notion of common origin is beyond scientific approach
there is no problem considering the common origin, but I think you are seeing exactly what you WANT to see, not what is really true. Much like this: http://www.bbc.co...27537142
I agree empirical evidence is difficult to attain, but a comparison of ancient archetypes and the similarities thereof must be worth something
re-read that link I left. In this case, the empirical data just does NOT support your conjectures especially concerning a possible discharge large enough to carve out the GC.
2 B cont'd
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
cont'd
100's of mythologies and ancient religions with followers in the billions which largely tell the same stories
millions of people believe in the tooth fairy too, but I don't see many rich toothless people raking in the dough by stealing teeth either
If done correctly, there is no reason a scientific approach can be made in the investigation of mythology and religion
except the fact that religion is based upon a faith, which is by definition unprovable as it is a belief without proof, so technically there is no possible way that a religion can be proven
The reason it is not logical for you to listen to all these myths and the obvious common links is because your mind is cluttered with the prevailing doctrine and precludes your ability to think outside the box
no, it's because a good investigator (or scientist) needs provable evidence: empirical evidence. something that will stand the tests... just because you WANT to believe it, does not make it any more true
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
human minds like to see patterns, and you WANT to see a correlation, so you see things like this
It should also be noted, nearly all of them were referred to as the planet Jupiter. It's odd a mere dot in the night sky would hold so much significance and be capable of such destruction
but you don't consider that the people tended to watch the stars/planets closely and created legends and myths to comprehend what they saw. and because you WANT to believe, you say
The reason it is not logical for you to listen to all these myths and the obvious common links is because your mind is cluttered with the prevailing doctrine and precludes your ability to think outside the box
which is your EGO trying to justify your outlandish claims because there is no proof. it is amazing what ego and desire will do when it wants to, just like fear.
and a good investigator/scientists knows this, which is why experiments need to be repeatable. which is why empirical data rules science
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (4) Jun 15, 2014
I must say I appreciate (honestly) you pointing out the Wakinyan or "Thunderbirds"
you are welcome. however, if you want to learn the more truth rather than a slightly skewed popularized interpretation of what is being said, I would recommend going to Pine Ridge or another res and getting to know a Holy Man who can give you more detailed historical data on the myths and legends. Many of the published books/pages out there have a little bit too much added to them that is "in the authors opinion" and not enough "in the opinion of the Lakota". Sometimes it is easier to understand from the cultural point of view than logical POV. sometimes a POV is popularized without regard to the other different but equally valid POV's... and sometimes they are just wrong
to a Lakota, everyone's faith is personal (and different). there is no wrong way to worship, for instance, yet there are many books that talk about the specific religion of the Lakota

just a heads up
Zintkala Oyate is a good guy
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
@cd
I have to admit... I almost thought you wouldn't take that bait... but I told my psyche class you would eventually take it and try to pull evidence out of historical myth. They didn't believe you would be so stupid, but I had faith in you. thanks for helping me rake in the dough on that one


Hey Captain-Skippy how you are Cher? I guess ol cantdrive-Skippy don't remember when he so many times make fun of the smart peoples calling their stuffs magic and religious dogma and fantasy stuff and mediumphysics (I am not sure I remember him right) and not looking in the laboratory stuffs.

Now all the sudden he thinks that god stories and witch doctors and old time story tellers is the real science. Can you explain what turned him around in his way of thinking these things now? Probably no you can't because I think he got turned around as a young child and never got straight again.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Jun 15, 2014
Can you explain what turned him around in his way of thinking these things now?
@Ira
He is trying to show/establish that the mythological stories of the ancients were actually their attempts to describe his "discharge creates the grand canyon" speculations.

He is saying that the commonality between the myths is actually support for the EU in a way, and that the mythological people like Thor or the Wakinyan are actually the way the old ones would talk about something huge and mysterious like a planetary sized discharge.

there is no empirical data to support it, and there never will be, because the myths were created for different reasons. Religion (not faith) is good for segregating people and controlling them, not for describing reality.

Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
@Ira
He is trying to show/establish that the mythological stories of the ancients were actually their attempts to describe his "discharge creates the grand canyon" speculations.

He is saying that the commonality between the myths is actually support for the EU in a way, and that the mythological people like Thor or the Wakinyan are actually the way the old ones would talk about something huge and mysterious like a planetary sized discharge


Yeah I understood that me. But maybe now he should try to find all those smarts Skippys he called all those names making the fun with their sciences and apologize him for calling them that.

How he make fun with them saying they do it when they are not doing it, but then turn around say that is how he has the good way of doing the science when he does what he says they are doing? That is a sure sign that a Skippy might be a little more foolish than your average foolish Skippy. Thinking nobody remembering him saying it I mean.
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (7) Jun 15, 2014
millions of people believe in the tooth fairy too,

Parents lying to their kids is hardly equivalent to entire populations of otherwise intelligent folks passing beliefs, traditions, heritage, and culture down over thousands of years.

but I think you are seeing exactly what you WANT to see

All those "Thunder gods" I listed were pulled from the same Wiki page, it's not only me who sees the obvious.

except the fact that religion is based upon a faith, which is by definition unprovable as it is a belief without proof, so technically there is no possible way that a religion can be proven


You sure have twisted logic, no where am I claiming we should study religion to "prove" whether or not it is "true", merely a comparative analytic approach to reveal similarities and archetypes.

human minds like to see patterns, and you WANT to see a correlation

You are correct, and some use mathematical acrobatics to achieve their ends, such as the CMB.
cantdrive85
1.1 / 5 (8) Jun 15, 2014
it's because a good investigator (or scientist) needs provable evidence: empirical evidence. something that will stand the tests.


Doesn't stop you and others from believing in the BB or GR, two "theories" which lack any empirical evidence or any ability to be tested...

but you don't consider that the people tended to watch the stars/planets closely and created legends and myths to comprehend what they saw.


That is a completely moronic statement in light on this discussion. Lie much the Neutron Starman?

which is your EGO trying to justify your outlandish claims because there is no proof.... a good investigator/scientists knows this, which is why experiments need to be repeatable.


What, like the BB? Spacetime? Where was that black hole experiment again? Did you say repeatable? http://phys.org/n...ard.html
What you want to see, right?

however, if you want to learn the more truth

Is it truth or the ramblings of the stupid ancient people, I'm confused...
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (6) Jun 15, 2014
Now all the sudden he thinks that god stories and witch doctors and old time story tellers is the real science.

You guys really like to lie and twist what is said. What I said is that there is no reason a scientific approach cannot be applied to the study of mythology and religion. It would be incredibly stupid not to recognized how ingrained myth and religion is in modern humanity from the calender to holidays and the very culture that defines the human being. Shame on me for trying to find a scientific explanation for the mysteries of the past. Here I thought trying to determine these things based upon eyewitness testimony and historical records of the last few thousand years would be a possibility considering how sure mainstream science believes they understand what happened some 14 billion years ago. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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Vietvet
4.6 / 5 (9) Jun 15, 2014
because the myths were created for different reasons. Religion (not faith) is good for segregating people and controlling them, not for describing reality.


What something becomes after people like you get a hold of it in no way determines the motivation behind the origin of something. The cynicism of modern society cannot be foisted upon those of antiquity as there is no "empirical" evidence to support such a notion. Besides, this was way before the zionist joos were able to spread their immoral greedy ideology.


I've reported you and hope everyone that reads this will to the same.
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) Jun 15, 2014
Besides, this was way before the zionist joos were able to spread their immoral greedy ideology.


You are the very small man Skippy. Small in the mind, and small in the heart you. At least now I understand some of the hate you got in heart every day. You realize that you have the total control over living a good life? It is the truth Skippy. I bet you get slapped a lot in the real life, eh p'tit boug?
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) Jun 15, 2014
Besides, this was way before the zionist joos were able to spread their immoral greedy ideology.


I've reported you and hope everyone that reads this will to the same.


That would probably do no good for him or his small mind kind. He is what he is, and ol Ira bookmarkeded the page in case he ever try to pretend he isn't what he is. A first rate idiot.
thermodynamics
5 / 5 (7) Jun 15, 2014
because the myths were created for different reasons. Religion (not faith) is good for segregating people and controlling them, not for describing reality.


What something becomes after people like you get a hold of it in no way determines the motivation behind the origin of something. The cynicism of modern society cannot be foisted upon those of antiquity as there is no "empirical" evidence to support such a notion. Besides, this was way before the zionist joos were able to spread their immoral greedy ideology.


I've reported you and hope everyone that reads this will to the same.


I have also reported him. What an amazing bigot.
cantdrive85
Jun 15, 2014
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Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) Jun 15, 2014
It's sad to see there is such support for zionism in these threads. There is no wonder why the world is going down the tubes. If one doesn't understand the difference between the ideology between zionism and Judaism it's due to your own ignorance.


Don't you have a Klucker's bonfire or an Ayran Nation beer-fest to get to? I will take the most grande complement you think I'm ignorant Skippy. I am ignorant, but I know people better than they prefer for me to. You prove good you were stupid and now you prove on top of that you are stupid because you are to lazy in the mind to not be stupid.
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (7) Jun 15, 2014
@ Everybody. You see how ol Ira been on his best behavior lately trying not to be not nice. But this couyon here is getting under my skin even worser that the Really-Skippy did with his calling me names with the bad words trying to get me not to ignore him. I don't like people who hate others because of where they were born or who their parents are. That is more stupid than anything I can think of that stupid peoples do.

@ cantdrive-Skippy I ask you one time nice not reply to anything I ever say again. I will return for you the favor. You know you don't like me, now you know I don't like you for anything. Only time I will ask you, don't you have anything to say to me again Skippy
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animah
Jun 15, 2014
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cantdrive85
1 / 5 (7) Jun 16, 2014
Even Einstein recognized the difference between the ideology of zionism and Jewish people, he wasn't burdened with the ignorance some here are burdened with;

"It would be my greatest sadness to see Zionists do to Palestinian Arabs much of what Nazis did to Jews."
― Albert Einstein

I agree with Einstein on that one, and it would seem he would be very, very sad if alive today.

thermodynamics
5 / 5 (8) Jun 16, 2014
Candrool: Please stop offending everyone on this site. You are even making the other anti-science posters on this site look good in comparison to your antisemitic rant. I hope they ban you and delete your offensive comments soon. I never thought I would say it, but I would rather view comments by Shootist and Rygg2, and they are maniacs. Just shut up and go away.
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thermodynamics
5 / 5 (8) Jun 16, 2014
CantThink: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. You sound like a bigot so, you are probably a bigot and I am glad you showed your true colors. I really hope you are gone from this forum. You add no value and waste a lot of time with your lack of understanding of electromagnetism. The EU perspective is only funny the first time one gets introduced to it, then it just becomes repetitive nonsense like a fairy tale told to a child. When you can't log back on, just picture the rest of us toasting to your dismissal.
yep
1 / 5 (4) Jun 18, 2014
Readings of the founders of Zionism shows that they lived in the same Europe which spawned fascism and Nazism, and they adopted the anti-Jewish view that Jews did not belong in Europe as the core of their ideology.-Arthur Hertzburg The Zionist Idea
Within the context of the Arab–Israeli conflict, Zionism is viewed by critics as a system that fosters apartheid and racism.-Stefan Goranov Racism: A basic principle of Zionism

Cantdrive sounds like a bigot because you guys are ignorant, read a book once and a while.

Talk about lack of understanding and fairy tales every time I hear about the standard theory of the sun "it just becomes repetitive nonsense" and the "lack of understanding of electromagnetism" by astrophysics is epic. Its like the last century got caught in that vacuum space was conceptualized as, and gravity just held everyone's head in a black hole of improbability, while the religious belief in the big bang continues to cloud rationality.
thermodynamics
5 / 5 (6) Jun 18, 2014
Readings of the founders of Zionism shows that they lived in the same Europe which spawned fascism and Nazism, and they adopted the anti-Jewish view that Jews did not belong in Europe as the core of their ideology.

Cantdrive sounds like a bigot because you guys are ignorant, read a book once and a while.


Yep: What you seem to be incapable of understanding is that the same words you are using in an antiquated way (as they might have been used 100 years ago) are being used by the Iranians and Neo-Nazis to refer to every Jew in the world and particularly those in Israel where the Iranians have vowed to kill the entire population. They claim the holocaust was a myth and 911 was implemented by those same people. Do a search on the web and see how these hateful words are being used by others. You seem to be another narrow minded person of limited intelligence who likes to cast aspersions at research you can't comprehend. The site would be well served if you were banned.
thermodynamics
5 / 5 (5) Jun 18, 2014
yep:
Talk about lack of understanding and fairy tales every time I hear about the standard theory of the sun "it just becomes repetitive nonsense" and the "lack of understanding of electromagnetism" by astrophysics is epic. Its like the last century got caught in that vacuum space was conceptualized as, and gravity just held everyone's head in a black hole of improbability, while the religious belief in the big bang continues to cloud rationality.


To put this in perspective, you are smarter than those who do research regarding the sun. You must be one of the "enlightened" EU advocates who can't solve a differential equation.

You spout about a lack of understanding of electromagnetism by those who have transformed astronomy with electronics. Did they steal those from you?

Black holes are, obviously a hoax to steal your money because you can't understand GR. Besides, you have EU to show why GR is wrong.

You and Can't deserve each other. Bigoted small minds.
animah
5 / 5 (6) Jun 18, 2014
FYI guys, I guess reporting the offensive language didn't work too well. The only comment that was removed from this thread was my "WTF Reported" comment lol!
yep
1 / 5 (5) Jun 19, 2014
Yes, let us censor everything we do not understand, agree with, or that offends us.

Thermo if you read a little history or did a search yourself you might find there are many Jews that believe, Zionism goes against the teachings of the Torah. You can start here: http://www.truetorahjews.org/
Before pulling the bigot card next time try to understand what you are talking about because your the one coming off like a Nazi with your totalitarian edicts and vitriol.

As for Cosmology, you have every right to remain in the 19 century with your beliefs and faith in the holy priori.

"Eine neue wissenschaftliche Wahrheit pflegt sich nicht in der Weise durchzusetzen, daß ihre Gegner überzeugt werden und sich als belehrt erklären, sondern vielmehr dadurch, daß ihre Gegner allmählich aussterben und daß die heranwachsende Generation von vornherein mit der Wahrheit vertraut gemacht ist." Max Planck

cantdrive85
1 / 5 (5) Jun 19, 2014
FYI guys, I guess reporting the offensive language didn't work too well. The only comment that was removed from this thread was my "W... Reported" comment lol!


Apparently some around here understand an argument against an ideology (such as fascism) has nothing to do with race, religion, or ethnicity..

Oh, BTW...
http://www.nelson-haha.com/

What you seem to be incapable of understanding is that the same words you are using in an antiquated way (as they might have been used 100 years ago) are being used by the Iranians and Neo-Nazis to refer to every Jew in the world and particularly those in Israel where the Iranians have vowed to kill the entire population.


Typical fallacious argument based upon ignorance.