Obama says climate change deniers ignoring science

Jun 14, 2014 by Nedra Pickler
President Barack Obama delivers the commencement address for the University of California, Irvine, Saturday, June 14, 2014, in Anaheim, Calif. Obama told the graduating class that today's young dreams are fed a steady diet of cynicism but argued they have a right to be optimistic. (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill)

(AP)—President Barack Obama said denying climate change is like arguing that the moon is made of cheese, as he issued a call for action on global warming to Saturday's graduates of the University of California, Irvine.

Obama told the tens of thousands gathered at Angel Stadium that Congress "is full of folks who stubbornly and automatically reject the scientific evidence" and say climate change is a hoax or fad, while others avoid the question.

"They say, 'Hey, look, I'm not a scientist,'" Obama said. "I'll translate that for you: what that really means is, 'I know that man-made climate change really is happening but if I admit it, I'll be run out of town by a radical fringe that thinks climate science is a liberal plot,'" he said.

Obama's address to about 8,000 graduates at the Orange County campus comes two weeks after he announced a contentious plan to dramatically cut pollution from power plants. Obama also used the address to announce a $1 billion competitive fund for communities who have experienced natural disasters to rebuild and prepare for the impact of extreme weather.

He described a political system consumed by "small things" but said Americans should be determined to do "big things" like addressing climate change, despite the type of opposition he faces from Congress.

"There's going to be a stubborn status quo and people determined to stymie your efforts to bring about change. There are going to be people who say you can't do something. There are going to be people who say you shouldn't bother trying. I've got some experience with this myself," Obama said.

"It's pretty rare that you'll encounter somebody who says the problem you're trying to solve simply doesn't exist. When President Kennedy set us on a course to the moon, there were a number of people who made a serious case that it wouldn't be worth it," he continued.

"But nobody ignored the science. I don't remember anybody saying the moon wasn't there or that it was made of cheese," Obama said.

The president said today's young dreamers are fed a steady diet of cynicism but argued they have a right to be optimistic.

"Consider this: since the time most of you graduated from high school, fewer Americans are at war," Obama said. "More have health insurance. More are graduating from college. Our businesses have added more than nine million new jobs. And the number of states where you're free to marry who you love has more than doubled. That's just some of the progress you've seen."

While in Orange County, Obama also raised money for the Democratic National Committee at a closed-door fundraiser at the Laguna Beach home of Getty oil heiress Anne Earhart. About 25 people paid up to $32,400 to participate in a roundtable discussion with the president.

He's spending the rest of the Father's Day weekend on vacation at the Rancho Mirage home of White House decorator Michael Smith and his partner, U.S. Ambassador to Spain James Costos.

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runrig
4.2 / 5 (15) Jun 15, 2014
And further, they'd even argue that it was Stilton and not Cheddar.
orti
1.9 / 5 (14) Jun 15, 2014
BHO is great at kicking straw men while he creates real problems.
Jantoo
1.7 / 5 (17) Jun 15, 2014
The green movement is the movement of producers of wind plants and electromobiles, which doesn't care about true economical and environmental effectiveness of their business, once it gets subsidized with government. A shift to renewable energy will replace one non-renewable resource (fossil fuel) with another (metals and minerals). The energy footprint will remain the same or worse and it's expressed with consumption of energy required for production of these raw sources. It's a simple calculation: if something is more expensive without subsidizes than the coal, then it's energy consumption must be higher. The cost is the measure of energy. The rumors are, the current Obama's energy secretary Ernst Moniz has been engaged in suppression of cold fusion research at MIT and Obama never manifested interest about research of new energy sources.
strangedays
4.3 / 5 (12) Jun 15, 2014
Jantoo - are you opposed to the government support given to the fossil fuel industry? What about the government money going in to nuclear power? Does this article enrage you? - http://phys.org/n...uel.html

Perhaps you could provide some reference for saying that the energy footprint of a solar panel, or a wind turbine is the same as a fossil fuel plant.

Are you aware that due in large part to government support around the world of research into cutting edge renewable energy, the cost of electricity from solar is going to be as cheap as coal within a couple of years - and then will continue falling. http://blogs.tele...minance/

Cheaper electricity, without the smog - seems like someone had some vision to me.
Jantoo
1.4 / 5 (10) Jun 15, 2014
I do support the most effective solution, which saves the nature the most in its very consequences. The wider proliferation of nuclear plants has a problem, it gives a very dirty weapon into hands of terrorists. No matter whether their fuel is safer against accident or not. Actually the fact, it can be manipulated safely means, it can be abused more easily too.
the cost of electricity from solar is going to be as cheap as coal within a couple of years
Thanx to massive governmental interventions: yes, why not. But this source is unreliable and it must be balanced with classical plants anyway over winter and at night. If you consider the additional expenses for energy storage, then the fossil energy is still way cheaper, i.e. environmentally more friendly. The production of concrete and silicon for wind plants requires lotta energy, the production of indium, neodymium and copper loads the environment as well. You shouldn't ignore these inputs if you think responsibly.
Jantoo
1.4 / 5 (11) Jun 15, 2014
The solar boom is actually as old as the cold fusion finding (twenty years). But if we compare their potential and the amount of investments spent into research of both areas, then we get into striking difference. It took just four years after finding of nuclear fission (1938) to build the first working nuclear reactor (1942) at industrial scale. When the scientists are motivated well, they can work very fast. It's evident, today the speed of progress is driven with another effects, than with availability of technology. If you want to accelerate it, then we should solve the actual bottleneck, otherwise we will do the situation even worse: the more money we'll give the scientists into research of existing technologies, the more they will refuse to develop these new ones.
Jantoo
1.4 / 5 (10) Jun 15, 2014
The cold fusion finding has its origin in 1926 (Panneth, Peters) and I'm not talking here about various overunity devices, which can be traced back into last century (1874 Wesley Gary). These devices are even better solution of energy crisis, because they look completely safe and we already have many attempts for their constructions. The typical for each such a finding is, it faces the utter ignorance of mainstream science. For example the ultraconductors found in 1986 - the mainstream research of superconductors continues as nothing would ever happen. NASA develops warp drive - but mainstream physics continues in its quantum gravity research as nothing would ever happen and they're looking for phenomena, which they have before their eyes. Everyone's looking for dark matter particles - but the scalar wave physics is ignored for century. This is a crazy evidence of deep incompetence.
antigoracle
1.8 / 5 (10) Jun 15, 2014
And further, they'd even argue that it was Stilton and not Cheddar.

You did not take your meds, did you riggy?
runrig
3.5 / 5 (11) Jun 15, 2014
And further, they'd even argue that it was Stilton and not Cheddar.

You did not take your meds, did you riggy?

A steak and Stilton down at the local pub actually. Good value with a couple of pints of Boondoggle real ale. Puts the world to rights, even thoughts of the idiots we have to share the planet with, and who would sit there and let things happen that Man's intelligence could have prevented but simply decided was "not happening" instead.
Thanks for asking though.
Have you decided amongst yourselves whether it's Gongonzola perhaps. Can you see any holes in the Moon?
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (14) Jun 15, 2014
Obama says climate change deniers ignoring science

I'm sure he's got an executive order for that travesty. Maybe he can decree that "AGWism" be the official religion of the United States of Amerika and failure to believe result in death by rack. The AGWite inquisition be here to punish ye heretics...

https://www.youtu...ature=kp
cantdrive85
1.7 / 5 (12) Jun 15, 2014
The Grand Inquisitor Barak (Barry) Hussein Obama (Sotero) de Torquemada...
strangedays
4.6 / 5 (11) Jun 15, 2014
@Jantoo
The production of concrete and silicon for wind plants requires lotta energy, the production of indium, neodymium and copper loads the environment as well. You shouldn't ignore these inputs if you think responsibly.


Of course - and there has to be a cost/benefit analysis. Do you consider the environmental of cost of oil spills, and atmospheric pollution when doing your cost/benefit analysis of fossil fuels? Here is just one article regarding the atmospheric pollution being caused by fracking.

http://insideclim...oil-boom

Do you take these effects into account with your 'fossil fuels are way cheaper than renewables' position?

In many parts of the world today - renewables are just as cheap or cheaper than fossils - and are beginning to replace them.

http://about.bnef...stralia/
antigoracle
1.3 / 5 (13) Jun 15, 2014
And further, they'd even argue that it was Stilton and not Cheddar.

You did not take your meds, did you riggy?

A steak and Stilton down at the local pub actually. Good value with a couple of pints of Boondoggle real ale. Puts the world to rights, even thoughts of the idiots ,,,,

Sweet. Any thought given to the Carbon footprint of producing such a meal?
No wonder we are the idiots.
antigoracle
1.4 / 5 (9) Jun 16, 2014
Is he referring to the "science" that gave us False "Profit" Gore's Hockey Schicht.
runrig
4.1 / 5 (9) Jun 16, 2014
Is he referring to the "science" that gave us False "Profit" Gore's Hockey Schicht.


And Richard Muller's to.

In fact every researcher's stick.

Seem's to be just a fact, eh, troll.
antigoracle
1.7 / 5 (12) Jun 16, 2014
Is this the Richard Muller you refer to: http://wattsupwit...-review/
runrig
4.2 / 5 (6) Jun 17, 2014
Is this the Richard Muller you refer to: http://wattsupwit...-review/

I don't refer to anything on that Blog thanks all the same..... well occasionally to see how far gone down the rabbit hole they are, and a good laugh of course.

If you want to falsify (without evidence) Mann's stick then you have to do that to all of them as that is just the way it is. Even right-wing money couldn't draw a different shape.
antigoracle
1.4 / 5 (10) Jun 17, 2014
Hmmm.... riggy, I guess I underestimated just how much you like Mann's stick. You know they say it takes 20 lies to coverup a single one. So riggy, you have a lot more Hockey Schichts to go.
runrig
4.3 / 5 (6) Jun 17, 2014
Hmmm.... riggy, I guess I underestimated just how much you like Mann's stick. You know they say it takes 20 lies to coverup a single one. So riggy, you have a lot more Hockey Schichts to go.


So they're all wrong are they?
In your dreams only.
antigoracle
1.4 / 5 (9) Jun 17, 2014
They are all lies riggy, bold blatant lies.
They should be everyone's nightmare.
runrig
4.5 / 5 (8) Jun 17, 2014
They are all lies riggy, bold blatant lies.
They should be everyone's nightmare.

Hand-waving my friend. And of course the world experts will prick their ears and listen to your hands.
By the overwhelming balance of probability the complete set of reconstructions of the history of global temperature tells (as far as we can tell) the truth.
To put those aside and take on your hand-waving (no science no go my friend) is nought but religion (your ilks favourite retort to the science) - no religion is based on unsubstantiated opinion - science is not. If you think it is then go away and get a thinking brain.
Your choice of belief (as that is what it is if not following the weight of probability) does not, in sane world, usurp that. Sorry. If you wish to be taken seriously in that claim, give us a link to one peer (sorry - pal) reviewed paper that says otherwise.
Ta Ta
supamark23
4.5 / 5 (8) Jun 17, 2014
The Grand Inquisitor Barak (Barry) Hussein Obama (Sotero) de Torquemada...


The Grand idiot Cantdrive85 has spoken!
Vietvet
4.1 / 5 (9) Jun 17, 2014
The Grand Inquisitor Barak (Barry) Hussein Obama (Sotero) de Torquemada...


The Grand idiot Cantdrive85 has spoken!


The tin foil hat wearing antisemitic Cantdrive85 has spoken!
Jantoo
5 / 5 (3) Jun 17, 2014
Grand Inquisitor Barak (Barry) Hussein Obama (Sotero) de Torquemada
Name calling. When all other arguments will fail, this one just works - you can't simply make any argumentational mistake with it. The more names, the better.
supamark23
5 / 5 (4) Jun 17, 2014
Grand Inquisitor Barak (Barry) Hussein Obama (Sotero) de Torquemada
Name calling. When all other arguments will fail, this one just works - you can't simply make any argumentational mistake with it. The more names, the better.


Well, it has served the GOP in the USA pretty well the last 20+ years... they turned "liberal" into an insult for goodness sakes.
PinkElephant
5 / 5 (7) Jun 17, 2014
@antiintellectual,
Is this the Richard Muller you refer to: http://wattsupwit...-review/
Do you want to see what a real shill's propaganda page looks like? Here's a prime example:

http://www.rossmckitrick.com/

Speaks for itself, really. Through a big honking megaphone.

As to the extra-stale claims of missing peer reviews, I suggest you contact your sources of BS and complain about their being so out of date:

http://berkeleyea.../papers/

(note all of the items on the above page, with the exception of top-most one in the listing, have been formally accepted and published; if you need help with how to read citations, help yourself)
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (9) Jun 18, 2014
The Grand Inquisitor Barak (Barry) Hussein Obama (Sotero) de Torquemada...


The Grand idiot Cantdrive85 has spoken!


The tin foil hat wearing antisemitic Cantdrive85 has spoken!


And so too has the one who is proud of his murderous past.

"There are four types of people who join the military. For some, it's family trade. Others are patriots, eager to serve. Next you have those who just need a job. Than there's the kind who want the legal means of killing other people." Jack Reacher

Vietvet obviously qualifies as #4 with his unrepentant lust for murder and his unwavering support for those who share his desires.
Vietvet
4.4 / 5 (7) Jun 18, 2014
The Grand Inquisitor Barak (Barry) Hussein Obama (Sotero) de Torquemada...


The Grand idiot Cantdrive85 has spoken!


The tin foil hat wearing antisemitic Cantdrive85 has spoken!


And so too has the one who is proud of his murderous past.

"There are four types of people who join the military. For some, it's family trade. Others are patriots, eager to serve. Next you have those who just need a job. Than there's the kind who want the legal means of killing other people." Jack Reacher

Vietvet obviously qualifies as #4 with his unrepentant lust for murder and his unwavering support for those who share his desires.


Coming from anyone else I would find your comment more than highly offensive. I sincerely worry about your mental and emotional health. If you're seeking validation for your unscientific and bigoted views you are posting on the wrong site.
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (8) Jun 18, 2014


The tin foil hat wearing antisemitic Cantdrive85 has spoken!


And so too has the one who is proud of his murderous past.

"There are four types of people who join the military. For some, it's family trade. Others are patriots, eager to serve. Next you have those who just need a job. Than there's the kind who want the legal means of killing other people." Jack Reacher

Vietvet obviously qualifies as #4 with his unrepentant lust for murder and his unwavering support for those who share his desires.


Coming from anyone else I would find your comment more than highly offensive. I sincerely worry about your mental and emotional health. If you're seeking validation for your unscientific and bigoted views you are posting on the wrong site.
And you are on the wrong site with your complete inability to reason and absolute blind ignorance. I worry about the mental health of those who actually follow through with their hatred with violence against others.
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (6) Jun 19, 2014
And you are on the wrong site with your complete inability to reason and absolute blind ignorance
@cd
pot kettle
considering that you ignore actual science, and that you've ignored empirical data as well as maligned authors that prove you wrong, and that you keep repeating the same fallacy even after it has been debunked here repeatedly... I would say to you that YOU ALSO are on the wrong site... perhaps you should go back to posting at your conspiracy sites? I am sure thunderbutts has a sacred place for you considering all the integrity you have given up in their name...

have they decided to do that Public Debate with modern astrophysicists yet?
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (7) Jun 19, 2014
Vietvet obviously qualifies as #4 with his unrepentant lust for murder and his unwavering support for those who share his desires
&
I worry about the mental health of those who actually follow through with their hatred with violence against others
@cd
you are a proven bigot and coward (http://phys.org/n...ays.html ), and you only denigrate Vietvet (or Jews) because you feel safe hiding in your parents basement anonymously posting.

You would never have the courage to stand face to face with him (or any other soldier, especially a combat veteran) and say this... your kind never does

if you ever want to try: contact me
I am easy to find on the net and IRL
Otto did it in minutes

your post makes you not only a TROLL, but a cowardly POS who has no concept of honor, integrity, sacrifice or courage

You cannot even go face to face in a public debate to try to convince others of your pseudoscience for fear of public ridicule & recognition!
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (7) Jun 19, 2014
There is no honor, integrity, or courage in invading another country or region and bringing violence and terror upon the people who reside there for your own purpose. It is pure evil and the bane of humanity.

you only denigrate blah blah (or Jews)

There you go lying again, not surprising. I denigrated an IDEOLOGY, never did I denigrate any religion, any race, or any ethnicity. It's not my fault ignorance blinds you from understanding the difference. As a matter of fact, most in these threads continuously denigrate religions because they are "anti-science", the irony of where the bigotry actually lies is astounding!

You would never have the courage to stand face to face

Of course, because I'm a pacifist and your first response to anger is violence as your challenge to "find you" so blatantly suggests. When vile name calling and lies come my way, I will respond in kind but without the lies.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Jun 19, 2014
your first response to anger is violence
@cd
how is this violence? a true pacifist would stand up for their convictions, regardless of the circumstances.You don't even have the courage to meet publicly to discuss EU in a public debate with REAL astrophysicists, so can the pacifist crap! YOU are NOT a true pacifist. you are a sniveling pseudoscience coward bigot hiding behind a moniker attempting to convince others of your convictions. they show true in the other thread... you prejudiced and egotistical crackpot
There is no honor, integrity, or courage in invading another country
Vietvet didn't invade anyone, you IDIOT! and if you're going to post your version of history that is like your version of science, don't bother, because it is likely to support only your delusions, much like your EU crap-o-la.

there is no vile name calling above, nor lies. it is based upon YOUR WORDS and YOUR POSTS, which anyone can derive the same conclusions from.

sorry charlie, you're a liar
Modernmystic
2.3 / 5 (4) Jun 19, 2014
Unfortunately the President has zero credibility with anyone who's denying AGW in the first place. Actually he has very little credibility with some who do recognize the problem (I'm one of them). I'm not sure the guy even knows the other two branches of government exist or what the proper role of the executive branch is. He writes executive orders like they're going out of style and I think actually believes this is how he's supposed to govern....

So, since this is a science/technology issue, as the President himself alluded, best to keep politics out of it and continuing to muddy up the waters...
Modernmystic
1 / 5 (1) Jun 19, 2014
...double post...
antigoracle
1 / 5 (5) Jun 21, 2014
AGW "science"???
More like AGW Scientology!!!
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (6) Jun 21, 2014
"From the EPA's Technical Support Document for the Endangerment Finding:

"Severe heat waves are projected to intensify in magnitude and duration over the portions of the United States where these events already occur, with potential increases in mortality and morbidity, especially among the elderly, young, and frail." [emphasis in original]

While the first part of this statement is likely to be true (if for no other reason than urban growth), the second half is more a hypothesis than a statement of fact. The "potential" only exists in the absence of an adaptive response. In reality, the adaptive response is strong. "
https://agu.confe...580.html
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (6) Jun 21, 2014
So, since this is a science/technology issue, as the President himself alluded, best to keep politics out of it and continuing to muddy up the waters...


"this new framework places the scientist in the role of an advocate—someone who argues for a particular outcome rather than searching for truth with an unbiased eye. This is anathema to the original definition of the scientific method. Lackey (2013) highlights this observation by noting that too often scientists have become policy advocates. Rather than being objective, normative science —where an assumed and usually unstated policy bias is used to sway the normal scientific process—is a corruption of traditional scientific principles and is rapidly becoming the norm in climate change science. "
http://www.landan...logy.pdf
bluehigh
3 / 5 (2) Jun 21, 2014
@cantdrive

Remember, always give your best. Never get discouraged. Never be petty. Always remember, others may hate you. But those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself.