NASA to test Mars 'flying saucer' vehicle on Earth

Jun 28, 2014

After several weather delays, NASA will try to launch a "flying saucer" into Earth's atmosphere Saturday to test technology that could be used to land on Mars.

The attempt off the coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauai will test the disc-shaped vehicle and a giant parachute.

Since the 1970s, NASA has used the same parachute design to slow landers and rovers as they streak through the thin Martian atmosphere. With plans to send heavier spacecraft and eventually astronauts, the space agency needs a much stronger parachute.

NASA is testing the technology high in Earth's atmosphere because conditions there are similar to that of Mars.

High winds at the Kauai military range forced NASA to miss its original two-week launch window in June.

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Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
Though the photo isn't in the new article, just check the links.

This looks similar to some old videos from earlier NASA experimental rocket engines, including a laser driven engine and a pulse (explosions) engine intended to model the original "Orion" nuclear pulse drive concept.

It looks like it's been re-worked with the same basic design and just has a conventional rocket engine.

I don't like the 1 engine design, even though NASA landed 6 manned missions on the Moon with a similar design, because it's just stupid. Every one of them was a "one shot to survive" daredevil mission. Anything else in engineering in modern times is triple-redundant, but you send a multi-million (or billion now) dollars mission with only one engine.

I admire the attempts to use more advanced technology in landers, it's needed, but there's a reason the Apollo mission used mostly passive systems, i.e. parachutes: they are more reliable. That's a problem landing on a low atmosphere world.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
Redundancy adds complexity, and complexity adds more things that can go wrong. More things that can go wrong means more things that could potentially go catastrophically wrong (engine explosion), means more chance for failure. This is the real problem in space flight. Statistically you really should make backup systems (when you examine it rationally,) and yet when you think about the backups, they add more danger, which is a paradox.

Perhaps that's why they stick with one engine, but it still seems contradictory.

The problem is the benefits of extra engines (non-catastrophic failures,) doesn't out weight the extra risk (explosive catastrophic failures).

If you start with one engine, you reason you should add more for backups. If you start with multiple engines, you reason you should remove them to lower the risk of a catastrophic explosion.

You should still use a backup, because any engine failure is a catastrophe if you have only one engine....
Uncle Ira
2.3 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
@ Returnering-Skippy. Cher you need to make up your mind. It's good and it's bad back and the forth is getting you confused. Maybe that is why they don't come to you anymore for help in designing the spaceships.

Why you think everybody want to read about your back and forth up and down thinking while you try figure out which one you think is right? It makes it look like you just pulling stuffs out of your butt.
Code_Warrior
5 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
@Returners,
The rocket motor is there for the test, it's not a part of the design. The test will use a high altitude balloon to lift the craft into the upper atmosphere where the rocket will fire to bring it to the test velocity at the edge of space, where it will then shut down and allow the inflatable decelerator to be tested. See link.

http://www.extrem...landings

TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
don't like the 1 engine design, even though NASA landed 6 manned missions on the Moon with a similar design, because it's just stupid. Every one of them was a "one shot to survive" babble
Lrrkrrr in your mania you have completely misunderstood the purpose of this configuration. It is only meant to loft the apparatus to the appropriate height in THIS atmosphere where it can be tested for reentry.

When used for a mars mission it will be part of a configuration which will look completely different.

Understand?
http://youtu.be/V3FnpaWQJO0

-It is fun following you around and watching your schizoid mania at work.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
@ Returnering-Skippy. Cher you need to make up your mind. It's good and it's bad back and the forth is getting you confused. Maybe that is why they don't come to you anymore for help in designing the spaceships.

Why you think everybody want to read about your back and forth up and down thinking while you try figure out which one you think is right? It makes it look like you just pulling stuffs out of your butt.


Gilligan, I am pointing out there is a rationale for why they have only one engine, but it is still the wrong thing to do, even though the reasoning itself is sound.

It's called meta-cognition.

The engineers are looking at trees, more engines = more chance for cat. explosions, but if you look at the forest you see more chance for recovery.

If there is only one tree in the forest, then you're screwed either way if you lose it, for any reason.

Should have more than one, even though the risk of a cat. explosion goes up, because the total risk decrease.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
Lrrkrrr in your mania you have completely misunderstood the purpose of this configuration. It is only meant to loft the apparatus to the appropriate height in THIS atmosphere where it can be tested for reentry.


You realize that won't "actually" represent Mars conditions since Earth gravity, even at high altitude, is higher than Mars, and Earth atmosphere has different wind profile.

You are correct though, forgive me for not actually reading any NASA website articles on the design, but they also did not describe that adequate in this article, which probably should have been.

It gave me the impression that this was intended to work like the LEM from the Apollo program.

Nevertheless, I don't like the one engine design even for testing. it's still stupid for the same reasons.
Uncle Ira
1 / 5 (4) Jun 28, 2014
I am pointing out there is a rationale for why they have only one engine, but it is still the wrong thing to do


Who you pointing it out to Skippy? I don't think them rocket doctors are reading the physorg. How you get qualitative to point out anything to the rocket-building-Skippys anyway?

It's called meta-cognition.


That is the science name for brain diarrhea?

The engineers are looking at trees, more engines = more chance for cat. explosions, but if you look at the forest you see more chance for recovery.


I am the engineer, and I don't look for cats but if I did I might look in the tree. That is one of your more stupid postums him.

If there is only one tree in the forest, then you're screwed either way if you lose it, for any reason.


Only one tree then that is where the cat is.

the risk of a cat. explosion goes up, because the total risk decrease.


What do exploding cats and trees have to do with spaceships on Mars. No trees or cats there.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
You realize that won't "actually" represent Mars conditions since Earth gravity, even at high altitude, is higher than Mars, and Earth atmosphere has different wind profile
You 'realize' that scientists fully understand this and have decided to conduct this test anyway? You realize that these sorts of things OCCUR to scientists who after all are not insane manic posters like yourself?
Uncle Ira
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
@ P.S. for you Returnering-Skippy.

Cher I am beginning to worry about you. I ask yesterday but you not answer. Are you having a drug problem? All this talk about mega-cogni-something and engineers looking at trees for exploding cat on Mars has got me worried for you safety Cher.

Can we call someone to come over to help you podna?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
Cher I am beginning to worry about you. I ask yesterday but you not answer. Are you having a drug problem?
Yah sometimes I think he decides not to take his mood stabilizers and we get to see the results. This is indeed a problem.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
@ P.S. for you Returnering-Skippy.

Cher I am beginning to worry about you. I ask yesterday but you not answer. Are you having a drug problem? All this talk about mega-cogni-something and engineers looking at trees for exploding cat on Mars has got me worried for you safety Cher.

Can we call someone to come over to help you podna?


You are incredibly, incredibly dense if you don't realize that was an analogy.

No, I'm not insane. You're just assuming that because something is done a certain way it must be "right".

A conclusion that is correct in one layer of reasoning can nevertheless be wrong in another layer of reasoning.

As another ANALOGY, you can consider how what appears best in Micro-economics can be quite different than what appears best in Macro-economics.

Can you understand that ANALOGY, or do you need further interpretation?

If you're just being a contentious jackass, then I'll report you again, and again, till they ban you or something.
Uncle Ira
2.3 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
@ Returnering-Skippy I ain't even going to try sort that one out. You have gone off into the deep water there.

What for you call me the jackass? You are the one who brings up exploding cats and engineers looking for them in trees on Mars. How I am supposed to make any sense out of that thing?

If you got the mega-incontinence that ain't ol Ira's fault. Maybe I got suggestion for you. Maybe you should get someone who is normal to look over your postums before you post him to make sure it is not so weird Skippy.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
Yah sometimes I think he decides not to take his mood stabilizers and we get to see the results. This is indeed a problem.


Ghost:

Okay man, Okay, you got me. I was clinically diagnosed with General Anxiety and Type 2 Primary depression. I'm on 150mg of wellbutrin and 0.5 mg of Clonapin. I take them every morning, along with a blood pressure and fluid medicine, and 800mg of Neurontin for idiopathic poly-neuropathy, all of which I've admitted in the past.

My life is a living fucking hell, that you can't possibly imagine, especially when I run out of the nerve pain medicine (Neurontin), so piss off guy. Fortunately, I went through a remission/regressive cycle a few months ago, so I was able to hoard some extra pain medicine by taking 2 times 400mg per day, instead of 3 times 400mg per day, but now it's in the progressive phase again, and worse than ever, and I'm taking 4 times 400mg per day for level 10, crippling total body pain.

Do you want my meds now, asshole?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
Okay man, Okay, you got me. I was clinically diagnosed with General Anxiety and Type 2 Primary depression. I'm on 150mg of wellbutrin and 0.5 mg of Clonapin. I take them every morning, along with a blood pressure and fluid medicine, and 800mg of Neurontin for idiopathic poly-neuropathy, all of which I've admitted in the past.
Are you looking for sympathy? Or are you looking for an excuse to flood this forum with 50 posts full of inanity and religionist nonsense a day?

Obviously your meds aren't giving you the self-control and realistic view of reality that they are supposed to. And it will most likely get you banned ONCE AGAIN for misusing the freedom to post here.

If you can't control yourself perhaps you should just watch tv.
Uncle Ira
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
@ Returnering-Skippy I give the apology for you from me. I didn't know you have the handicap no. My momma didn't raise me to pick on the handicap peoples and she would be ashamed with me. So if it help out with your conditions to make the postums that is okay with Ira-Skippy.

But I will keep the suggestion for you to get some normal person to check them before you put them up to make sure they are not so weird like they are. That way some Skippy who doesn't know about your condition won't say something to make it worser.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
But I will keep the suggestion for you to get some normal person to check them before you put them up to make sure they are not so weird like they are. That way some Skippy who doesn't know about your condition won't say something to make it worser.
Most hc people only want to be treated the same as everybody else. Lrrkrrr wants the people here to ignore his delusions and let him post whatever he wants.

But I'm of the opinion that reality is the best therapy. Lrrkrrr has the internet to check his notions before he posts them, just like anybody else. If he can't refrain from posting before he checks them for himself, then he WILL be called to task and he WILL get his ass banned as he has in the past.

He ought to welcome our attempts to reconnect him with reality.
http://youtu.be/crV5q2j9DBI
Returners
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
Oh yeah, just so you know, during two different full psychological evaluations for depression/anxiety, aspergers, add, etc, It was determined as follows:

Composite I.Q.: 134 (Vastly Superior, 99th percentile)

Diagnosis:
Type 2 Primary Depression
Generalized Anxiety
No Aspergers*
No ADD/ADHD**

* Borderline, and enough that I qualify for disability due to social anxiety, in spite of the score.
Other signs include:
"Tetris Effect":
Imagery and voices from games, songs, movies, or conversations are played back like a tape recorder or video, both voluntarily and involuntarily. Involuntarily works best, but is detrimental to concentration in contemplation, school, or work.

Large number sorting and multiplication:
I think in the alleged "working memory" test I was recalling and sorting randomized 9 digit numbers half the time, and 8 digit numbers about 2/3rds of the time.
With warm-up I can do as much as 8 by 8 multiplication, though that is consciously, not like Daniel Tammet's ability.
Returners
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
Are you looking for sympathy? Or are you looking for an excuse to flood this forum with 50 posts full of inanity and religionist nonsense a day?

Obviously your meds aren't giving you the self-control and realistic view of reality that they are supposed to. And it will most likely get you banned ONCE AGAIN for misusing the freedom to post here.

If you can't control yourself perhaps you should just watch tv.


Yet you and "Gilligan" are the two most offensive, obnoxious posters on this site, who flood every thread with personal attacks against anyone at all who disagrees with the popular opinion, not just myself.

It's a wonder you two haven't been SUED by somebody yet, never mind banned, because you randomly SLANDER/LIBEL people all the time.
Uncle Ira
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
@ Returnering-Skippy that does sound bad. Really bad Cher. It helps me understand the problems with the weird postums.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (4) Jun 28, 2014
Composite I.Q.: 134 (Vastly Superior, 99th percentile)... With warm-up I can do as much as 8 by 8 multiplication, though that is consciously, not like Daniel Tammet's ability
-And yet you still post crap. You totally misconstrued the subject of this article for instance. How do you explain this?

"With an IQ of 160, Helen Keller went on to graduate from Radcliffe, learned several languages, wrote ..." Etc.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
The "Working Memory" test is insufficient for clinical diagnosis, as it does not detect the memory problem I experience, and I've told that to my doctors.

There is a "zone out" effect involving either short-term or medium-term memory where sometimes I lose pieces of a conversation and do not know anything at all was said, or forget why I went into another room, or why I changed web pages in my browser. This results in a difficulty in processing material that is purely verbal and in a form lasting longer than 5 minutes without accompanying visual aids. It is why I have a highly interactive style of learning, and made 4 A's last semester due to small class environments, compared to having to drop classes at LSU due to 300 person lecture halls where reasonable interaction isn't possible.

If you want to me to draw amino acids and protein folding from memory I can do that. If you want me to remember every term about it, I cannot, though I do remember most.

Verbal I.Q. 123
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
"With an IQ of 160, Helen Keller went on to graduate from Radcliffe, learned several languages, wrote ..." Etc.


See below, I've explained that.
She would have had a lot of tutors, most likely due to her condition, and classes would have been much smaller in any case due to population density.

I went to a college where everyone was treated like a number, a pig, or a cow really, and you never got to interact with the professor, and there was no free tutoring. Tutors costed 2.5 times as much money per hour as I made in my weekend job.

They also fucked up my curricula on several points, calling certain math and science classes "co-requisites" when it was unreasonable to take that science class without the math class as a PRE-requisite, given the circumstances, not to mention another issue I won't even discuss. They have since changed their curricula to what it should have been, because they finally realized the faculty course order was why people were failing the curricula.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
I have taken 7 collegiate level classes since leaving LSU.

3 were before being properly diagnosed for depression and Anxiety. I made 3 A's on those courses, though one of them was pretty much stuff I already knew 90% of it. Two were pathophysiology, which I got 100% on every test except one. That test was thrown out and re-taken due to 90% of the class failing it. I got 100% on the re-take. I re-took one test that I had 100% on because the professor offered a bonus question, and I wanted 105%, and got it.

After being diagnosed, and medicated for depression and anxiety, I took 4 collegiate level courses through SELU and made A's on all of them. One was a speech class, which I otherwise would have failed. The others were a Biology class, a math course as a refresher, and a history course. I hate formal history classes because they are normally all about rote memory of dates and names, but this professor was cool and didn't make everything about that, but rather learning principles.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
Really, WHO CARES? You post crap and you WILL be dismantled. The way it works.

This is not a clinic. The world does not exist to pander to your cognitive defects and your delusions of grandeur.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
-And yet you still post crap. You totally misconstrued the subject of this article for instance. How do you explain this?


the article did not provide a description of it's own subject matter which was both accurate and wholistic.

My main mistake was already admitted, I did not go read NASA's own press releases about it, therefore I was mislead by an overly narrow description of the project. However, a reader shouldn't have to literally check every fact in an article on a science site to see if the author left out wholistically important information.
Code_Warrior
5 / 5 (5) Jun 28, 2014
@Returners,
It's better to admit you were wrong, be contrite, and take your lumps than it is to continue to not only defend, but double down on a blatantly wrong position. Also, posting your medical conditions and prescriptions on a public website comment section isn't wise.

Your problem isn't your IQ. Your problem is your lack of wisdom. You can be the smartest person in the world, but if you're not wise, you will wind up looking like a fool every time.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
Really, WHO CARES? You post crap and you WILL be dismantled. The way it works.

This is not a clinic. The world does not exist to pander to your cognitive defects and your delusions of grandeur.


My father was a high school dropout. My mother graduated a basic high school program with about a 3.1, but never really did anything else and wandered from minimum wage jobs.

When I was 6 and 7 years old, I was correcting their spelling and math errors, and literally everything past about that time I either taught myself from the library, a book or two per day at times, because I didn't want to be stuck like my parents, or otherwise learned from a few good teachers.

When I went to university the first time, I was the first person in my family for at least 4 generations to even attempt college, and I was 17 years old. We didn't know anything about college. Orientations and brochures are all about getting people to come, not about actually producing success.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
@Returners,
It's better to admit you were wrong, be contrite, and take your lumps than it is to continue to not only defend, but double down on a blatantly wrong position.


The one engine design is the wrong thing to do, because you only get one chance.

The argument is still true even though the context was wrong because the article did not give the full context. I admitted it was my mistake for not finding and reading a NASA article, but it is nevertheless true that such information should have been in the article.

Also, posting your medical conditions and prescriptions on a public website comment section isn't wise.


I weighed the costs.

if you're not wise, you will wind up looking like a fool every time.


Oh, but everyone who drinks alcohol or argues for the continued legalization of it, including most of you, is "wise"? It's a shame how many deaths that causes per year, and you guys think you are the "wise" ones for defending it's distribution and ads?
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
The "idiots" who fuck around and get Chlamydia or HIV are more successful in finances, because most Human Resources managers hire based on characteristics I cannot provide: a fake smile, a "white lie" to an irate customer, because I will put morals and ethics before an employer's instructions virtually every time, even if I've proven vastly superior objective skills. Are they "wise"?

Wisdom does it provide success in this world.

Many giant corporations make their money through the foolishness of the masses.
Our population are fools who pay football players and baseball players 20 times more than Doctors and 40 times engineers.

Fools go to their graves gladly, by the tens of millions, through legalized drugs, alcohol, and tobacco products, as well as unsafe sex, and stupid stunts, such as jumping off rocks in a "no diving" zone clearly marked...and they get to vote, and there are more of them than you and I, and many of them make more money than I've ever made in my life.
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
Do you really care about wisdom? No.

You, or one of you anyway, gave me a one following a ridiculously true and valid point.

Want to talk about wisdom?

We have a government who provides financial aid to students, but restricts the GPA system so that low grades from first attempts are perpetually held against the student, actually restricting or preventing them from furthering their education.

The course I flunked? I tested out of it now, but it will permanently count as an F towards my GPA, and no positive credit is given for testing out. In fact, I may even be forced to re-take the class again, depending on university and departmental requirements. What difference does it make if I made some bad grades 14 year ago, when I've proven I know the material now? But it's still held against me and prevents me from certain options in university.

You want wisdom? The whole educational system is literally designed to fail people in some situations, instead of helping them better themselves
Returners
1 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
How about High School curricula?

I remember having certain options, which I took which hurt my college preparation, but I must say properly being informed was not the case.

From my "advanced/college preparatory curricula," 4 years of JROTC (replacing P.E. and Health Education,) and 2 years of Art should have been replaced with:

1 "fine arts survey" (random artistic and musical exposure)
2 JROTC (was fine)
Biology 2
Chemistry 2
Physics 2 (not even offered)
Precalculus (calculus was not offered) needs to be mandatory

Would have had to take something during the summer of junior/senior year, but that should have been told to us point blank, "Hey, if you're going to college, you BETTER take this," and was not. The electives I took, while fun and educational, were ultimately a waste of time that should have been spent on more STEM training, but they encouraged arts for diversity, and I definitely preferred JROTC to a basic PE class. It was "cooler" and had better extra curricular activit
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
Your problem isn't your IQ. Your problem is your lack of wisdom. You can be the smartest person in the world, but if you're not wise, you will wind up looking like a fool every time.
No his problem is he is a self-centered egomaniac. Note how he blames NASA and physorg and 'the whole educational system' for his own mistakes. Note how his response to criticism is more flooding about HIM and HIS personal problems. Note how he considers his 2 minutes thinking about a subject is worth more than months spent on it by teams of scientists.

Helen Keller learned to accept her limitations. She would never have presumed to try to tell experts how to do their jobs. And she wasn't waiting for the world to wake up and recognize her genius, like Lrrkrrr here.
Returners
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
No his problem is he is a self-centered egomaniac. Note how he blames NASA and physorg

I did not blame NASA. It isn't their fault the author of this article didn't mention that.

'the whole educational system' for his own mistakes.

I have a legal appeal on several counts with them, due to several issues which are provably their fault through objective evidence.

Note how his response to criticism is more flooding about HIM and HIS personal problems.


No, you attack me personally nearly every post I made.

In my integrity I have admitted to depression and anxiety, but you have no integrity becuase you can't leave it alone.

Returners
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
Note how he considers his 2 minutes thinking about a subject is worth more than months spent on it by teams of scientists.


I have posted observations, or counter-arguments to theories in the past, and been proven correct a year or 2 later when future observations were made. That doesn't make me correct about everything, nor even half the time I suppose, but it makes the point that even groups of experts can be wrong, and often are.

Helen Keller learned to accept her limitations. She would never have presumed to try to tell experts how to do their jobs. And she wasn't waiting for the world to wake up and recognize her genius, like Lrrkrrr here.


I don't care about whatever "genius" I have or don't have.

You and "Gilligan" have repeatedly insulted my intelligence and sanity, so I posted the results of my psychological profile refuting your claim.

I am not concerned with my own intelligence. I am disturbed by living in a world where the above obscenities are encouraged.
Returners
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
Do you know what it feels like to work in a factory, and know a simple, cheap way to put about half of your co-workers out a of job within a day or two? And keep it to yourself, for mercy's sake, even though it's worth a half-million thousand dollars per year, per plant, in a 14 facility company?

Have you ever been at a gas station, walking back from pre-paying, you have ~$140 remaining in your wallet, a $100 and two 20's. Half-way back to the pump, a beggar, real homeless person in desperate need, comes up to you, jeans ripped to shreds and barely hanging on the man's half-naked body. He asks for a 20, and I open my wallet and reach in and I can't stop at a 20, something said, "no, give him the $100 instead." I do, and tell him "don't buy drugs or alcohol with this."

He is shocked, thankful, and horrified all at the same time, runs away crying, "I won't. Thank you, oh my god, thank you, oh my god," naked in the middle of a parking lot.

I'd gladly do it again. Continued.
Returners
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
I wouldn't put a Billion dollar air/spacecraft on one engine, not even for a test, much less put a man's life on one engine like the Apollo LEM was done.

I could not, in my conscience, ask nor even allow someone to fly to a moon or planet in that thing. Now incidentally and thankfully, it turned out that all of the engines fired properly, because they were all well designed. What if they hadn't?

Would you want to be the NASA spokesperson who might have had to go to a family's door and say, "we lost your son/husband/father because there was only one engine on the LEM and it failed to ignite for the ascent phase while they were on the moon"? Would you want to be the loved one to hear that?

Thank God it didn't happen, but for goodness sake just think about that. It very nearly did happen on Armsrong's mission when the toggle on the switch failed, and he had to use a Pen to ignite the engine...and they used the same core design 5 more times, though the switch might have been re-designe
Returners
1 / 5 (2) Jun 28, 2014
Are you looking for sympathy? Or are you looking for an excuse to flood this forum with 50 posts full of inanity and religionist nonsense a day?


I don't even believe in "religion".

"Religion" is an effort by man to please or patronize God.
True Christian "faith" is the believe that God has already forgiven us.

You and "Uncle Ira" can't accept the cosmological argument, which even Dawkins and Krauss have to admit is true in formal debate...even though they can't accept it...

Obviously your meds aren't giving you the self-control and realistic view of reality that they are supposed to. And it will most likely get you banned ONCE AGAIN for misusing the freedom to post here.


That isn't rewarded in our civilization.

Crooked politics, crooked corporate practices, and stupid shit like ridiculously over-paid entertainers are rewarded, by government who promotes drunkenness(citations aside,) and the highest STD rate in the nation, because they deny realism and follow a lie.
Uncle Ira
2.3 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
@ Returnering-Skippy you should have took the the "half-million thousand dollars" and hired you somebody to read over your postums before you post him. You getting even more weird as the day go by. Can't one of the peoples there that help take care of you help you while you on the interweb? You keep putting up these things that peoples is going to make the big fun with you because they don't understand about your condition.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. Don't get so techie with the Otto-Skippy, I think he only trying to help you so people won't have the fun with you.

Oh yeah, I almost forget again. Why you call me the Gilligan? What does that come from because it isn't any of the names I use on the interweb. I use Ira-Something-Skippy for that. Are confuse me with someone else Cher?
Code_Warrior
5 / 5 (6) Jun 28, 2014
@Returners,
Well, you certainly have touched on a wide variety of subjects regarding wisdom, you've given us all kinds of evidence of your intellectual prowess, you've demonstrated your mercy to your fellow workers by not revealing your "half-million thousand dollars per year, per plant, in a 14 facility company" cost saving idea, and have told us all how every single space vehicle should be designed even for test rigs, and somewhere along the way, probably taught me other things that I just failed to comprehend in the fountain of knowledge that has burst forth from you in this comment section.

With my education now complete, I will leave, basking in the warm glow of your awesomeness and knowing that I'm but a feeble little person who was simply jealous of a clearly superior mind and sought only to tear it down so that I might come a little closer to its incredible magnificence.

Said no one. Ever.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (4) Jun 28, 2014
I did not blame NASA. It isn't their fault the author of this article didn't mention that
The author is the NASA PR dept who issues these press releases. If you googled the text you would see that the Washington post and the kaleej times, among many others, reprinted it verbatim.

But you only care about blaming someone else. Note that physorg provided links to earlier articles which contain more info.
I could not, in my conscience, ask nor even allow someone to fly to a moon or planet in that thing
Thats because you're not an engineer and have no idea what you are talking about and refuse to learn because you already think you know more than scientists and engineers. Despite much evidence you still refuse to accept that you dont.
and been proven correct a year or 2 later
Translation: "I predicted the smart phone and a few years later voila! there it was. And people STILL don't think I'm a genius."

You expect people NOT to make fun of you with this attitude?
533online
1 / 5 (5) Jun 28, 2014
I just learned that one Ed Cheung was the chief engineer of
the Hubble Space Telescope. Is this the same Ed Cheung
who was a test technician at Edicon, a subsidiary of Koadk,
in 1990 and 1991? The same SOB who I caught repeatedly
breaking into my computer to steal the automated test software
that I was developing under OS2? The same Ed Cheung I
caught breaking into Darryl Dana's computer and hacking
the software to keep him from completing his work? Then
went back and reversed the damage to look like a hero
and ensure Dana's loyalty.

I am not talking about hacking into our work stations, I mean
physically logging onto our pcs, with passwords provided
by his girlfriend in network. Is this the rat batard now
running systems at NASA? The same batard who drugged our
food to steal technology? THAT ED CHEUNG? No wonder their
hot damned probes were crashing into Mars and their hot damn
space shuttles were blowing up, their chief engineers are total
frauds.

You want to know how the Chinese are hacking into your systems
and stealing your technology? You've got a fucking Chinese spy
for a Chief NASA Engineer! Dumbass Obama, Dumbass Obama.
JohnGee
4 / 5 (4) Jun 28, 2014
Reported.
Code_Warrior
5 / 5 (3) Jun 28, 2014
I just watched the test live. The supersonic parachute deployed, but failed to fully inflate, however, the deceleration air bag and everything else worked perfectly. Congrats NASA on a great test and I hope that the black box data gives you enough info to improve the design of the parachute before the next test. Well done guys!!!
Benni
3 / 5 (2) Jun 30, 2014
To the site moderator at PhysOrg:

When will you start taking your job seriously & start removing the nutjob postings on this site. Almost none of the above Commentary has anything to do with science with the exception of Code Warrior who at least made an attempt to bring civility to the chaos so much of the Commentary this site has descended to. Would you please start removing the Returners & Iras please, it really would be nice to read the language of science here just for a change of pace.