New York declares war on swans

Jan 31, 2014 by Jennie Matthew
Swans are pictured on a lake in Slovakia on December 29, 2010

In Britain, wild swans may be prized for their beauty and protected by the Queen, but the US state of New York has declared war on them, branding them a violent menace.

Draft proposals to kill or resettle the state's 2,200 wild mute swans by 2025 may be supported by some conservationists but have sparked uproar among animal rights activists.

Mute swans were brought to North America by European settlers to adorn their estates in the late 1800s but the authorities no longer consider them a beauty worthy of roaming free.

The New York state department of environmental conservation says swans attack people, destroy vegetation, pose a threat to jetliners and damage water because their feces contain e coli.

Ever since US Airways flight 1549 collided with a flock of geese in 2009 and landed on the Hudson river, the US Department of Agriculture has set about annually culling Canada geese.

Now the New York state conservation department wants to expand the offensive and eliminate free-ranging mute swans by 2025, killing them or allowing "responsible ownership" of the birds in captivity.

"Lethal control methods will include shooting of free-ranging swans and live capture and euthanasia in accordance with established guidelines for wildlife," said the draft proposal.

Nests would also be destroyed, and eggs oiled, punctured or sterilized to prevent hatching, it added.

Pressure group Goose Watch NYC, which was set up to protest against the geese culls, demanded the plan be scrapped.

"It's just outrageous to try to exterminate an entire species that has been living in the state for more than 150 years, almost 200 years," Watch founder David Karopkin told AFP.

He rubbished the idea that 2,200 swans posed a threat to a state of 18 million people.

"I've yet to find anyone who has been seriously injured by a mute swan," he said.

"When they're being aggressive it's often in relation to them protecting their nest, their babies. I mean people need to have some common sense," he added.

But some conservationists happily support the state plan.

Paul Curtis, associate professor in the department of natural resources of Cornell University, told AFP that it was appropriate and in keeping with proposals in other states.

There have been four documented swan strikes at JFK airport, he said. Swans can pose a nuisance and they deplete food sources.

"The goal is to limit population growth in the wild, and remove swans from places where they cause problems or do damage to plant communities," he wrote in an email.

"The plan could be effective if a variety of lethal and non-lethal approaches are used," he added.

The state conservation department also hit back against critics, telling AFP the proposal to resettle the make it "more balanced and comprehensive" than many have suggested.

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alfie_null
2.5 / 5 (2) Jan 31, 2014
When choosing how to allocate their resources, it seems like there must be other critters much higher on the list than swans. Like raccoons and skunks that spread disease, for instance. Or, with a nod to urban NYC, rats.
Sinister1812
2 / 5 (1) Jan 31, 2014
I don't think swans are much of a pest. On the other hand, seagulls, pigeons and ravens I could understand.
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (5) Jan 31, 2014
New York declares war on swans

It would be welcome if someone in the US were to decaler peace on something for a change.
Osteta
Jan 31, 2014
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TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 31, 2014
civilization becomes gradually incompatible with native nature
You didn't read the article. These birds are an invasive species.
swan increase the attractiveness of New York parks and environment for turists and they increase the profit for city from tourism as a whole
-So would free-ranging giraffes in Central Park. Swans are like ice cream - they're nice to have I suppose but if they didn't exist you wouldn't miss them one bit. And ice cream doesn't bring down airliners.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Jan 31, 2014
New York declares war on swans

It would be welcome if someone in the US were to decaler peace on something for a change.
Well we could shoot them and eat them like they do in Germany.

""I was astonished to find out that swan meat would be offered in a restaurant," said Manuela Heberer, a spokeswoman for the Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania branch of the wildlife protection agency Naturschutzbund, based in Schwerin. "We don't see the need to shoot swans. There is also a danger hunters could shoot protected species that look very similar."

Ahaahaaahaaaaa.

Nobody needs a gun in Germany for any reason whatsoever. Except for shooting swans that is.

Ahaahaahaaaaa.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (2) Jan 31, 2014
I suppose people shoot swans in Germany in part because they became identified with aristocratic excess and decadence.

"When I hear the word culture I reach for my gun." Goebbels

-I bet goebbels was a swan hunter. I am sure goring was. Oh sorry - göring. But they were probably conflicted because of the role of swans in Teutonic legend.

"In the early 13th century, the German poet Wolfram von Eschenbach adapted the Swan Knight motif for his epic Parzival... In 1848, Richard Wagner adapted the tale into his popular opera Lohengrin, probably the work through which the Swan Knight story is best known today."

But then everything natural is legendary in Germany. Nicht wahr?
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (1) Jan 31, 2014
Nobody needs a gun in Germany for any reason whatsoever.

There's hunters and then there's the police. Germany is very densely populated, and there are no wild forests at all (all such areas are being used in one form or another). Wildlife has to be kept in check in such a setup.

And if you had read the entire article you quoted, you might have noticed that it was one place that offered zthis - and that since then it is not offered anymore.

Yeah..selective quoting by Otto...what a surprise.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (2) Jan 31, 2014
Sorry I googled zthis and all I get is

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Jan 17, 2014 - Jay Z - This Can't Be Life. About This Can't Be Life. Jay-Z, Beanie Sigel, and Scarface are all very sad ...
kochevnik
5 / 5 (3) Jan 31, 2014
Why isn't Shootist complaining about the swans being killed? He seems such a noble bird lover if the habitat is near a windmill
Modernmystic
4.5 / 5 (4) Jan 31, 2014
This example just demonstrates, how the allegedly advanced civilization becomes gradually incompatible with native nature,


Actually advanced civilization is the only kind that can afford to be compatible with native nature. All other kinds are busy with issues of survival only

especially when the private interests of various hidden lobbyist groups are involved.


They have different values than yours, that's your only issue here. My reply is that because they don't share your values that's not a failure of them to be you.

IMO the swan increase the attractiveness of New York parks and environment for turists and they increase the profit for city from tourism as a whole...


Your private interests trump others HOW exactly? I mean that...explain EXACTLY how your interests are of more import than others.

Modernmystic
4 / 5 (3) Jan 31, 2014
(cont)

when you will ask, why porchers are killing large mammals in Africa and Asia.


How completely and exquisitely ironic...wasn't it you who was complaining how ADVANCED civilizations can't be compatible with native nature? There is virtually no poaching that goes in the United States when compared with Africa. Now ask YOURSELF why it isn't a problem here and it is there. Which civilization is more "advanced"....

Modernmystic
not rated yet Jan 31, 2014
New York declares war on swans

It would be welcome if someone in the US were to decaler peace on something for a change.


The last time we actually declared war it was on a Central European state with a madman hell bent on genocide and global conquest at the helm....which country was that again?
Maggnus
5 / 5 (4) Jan 31, 2014
There is virtually no poaching that goes in the United States when compared with Africa.
The only part of your comment I disagree with. There is lots of poaching in the US, it just isn't of big, endangered animals like rhinos and elephants.
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (2) Jan 31, 2014
The last time we actually declared war it was on a Central European state with a madman hell bent on genocide and global conquest at the helm....which country was that again?

You mean the last time you won a war? Since then you've declared war on a dozen countries and on anything from drugs to illiteracy to poverty to christmas to obesity to stupidity to ...

..and you've lost every single on of them.
kochevnik
3 / 5 (1) Jan 31, 2014
The last time we actually declared war it was on a Central European state with a madman hell bent on genocide and global conquest at the helm....which country was that again?

You mean the last time you won a war? Since then you've declared war on a dozen countries and on anything from drugs to illiteracy to poverty to christmas to obesity to stupidity to ...

..and you've lost every single on of them.
Real world war is the 500 year war of the 1% on the 99%, and Americans are loosing that too!
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (1) Jan 31, 2014
You mean the last time you won a war? Since then you've declared war on a dozen countries ...and you've lost every single on of them
No we won every single one of them. If you understood war then you could begin to appreciate the many reasons for fighting them.

For instance germany saved fully half of itself from soviet occupation as well as the rest of western europe. This enabled the west to maintain economic and political pressure on the USSR until it eventually collapsed.

And now germany is not only reunited, it controls all of western europe. And further it is free from the prewar influences of the religions which had made war inevitable for millenia. This is victory by any measure.

In korea and vietnam war ended caustic religionist cultures in similar fashion. Vietnam and south korea both are productive members of the world community as a result. And north korea is only now beginning to regain its strength.
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TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Jan 31, 2014
The Only Way to win wars is to destroy the cultures which cause them. In vietnam it took concerted action by japanese, french, US, and communist occupiers over many gens to bring about its renaissance.

Chinas rebirth began with the opium wars, accelerated with the taipei rebellion, and climaxed with the communist revolution. Culture destroyed. Pop growth curtailed with family planning and nearly 400M ABORTIONS.

The drug culture was created in this country to function the same way as opium was used in china - to assist in the destruction of an obsolete culture. The US was full - it no longer needed large families. All sorts of alternatives were introduced and encouraged. The drug trade also enabled enormous amounts of money to be funneled to interests in third world world countries which were also actively engaged in cultural destruction.
the 500 year war
You should realize by now that the enemy of Leaders everywhere has always been the people. And Leaders are winning.
Nestle
5 / 5 (2) Jan 31, 2014
There is virtually no poaching that goes in the United States when compared with Africa
You should check this movie first. The Americans are rich enough to pay for poaching in Africa. They just hunt for entertainment, not for meat or ethno-medical business.
Lex Talonis
2.5 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2014
"The New York state department of environmental conservation says swans attack people, destroy vegetation, pose a threat to jetliners and damage water because their feces contain e coli."

Oh my god, I got nipped by a swan, with a toothless bite like a clothes peg...

Well there goes one leg...

Everything that shits in water has E-Coli - or have you not noticed that people are supposed to wash their hands after taking a dump and before preparing food.....

Duh....

I suppose that shooting them near airports is fair game, for all the Merikins that continue to dump billions of tons in the air moving their lazy arses around at high speed....

Oh no my car - millions of people drop dead from dirty air.... Pollution blows across the ocean from China - where they bought all their shit from...

But one plane sucking up the odd swan? Oh no it's a danger to world peace, can't have that - got to go and KILL them all

Remember folks - the looney tunes bullshit can only take place in "Merika.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Feb 01, 2014
Oh my god, I got nipped by a swan, with a toothless bite like a clothes peg...
"'Killer' swan attacks Illinois caretaker until he drowns... The Sun-Times reports that the swan continued to pursue Hensley as he tried to swim to shore. Hensley was submerged when emergency workers arrived, and an autopsy found that he died from drowning near the Bay Colony condominiums in unincorporated Des Plaines."

"I'm not sure, but I was bitten by a swan when I was 10 and it nearly broke my foot."

"Pet owners are being warned to keep their animals under control after two dogs were killed by a swan in a Nottinghamshire park."

"Swans can break a persons arm or leg."
The Shootist
2.5 / 5 (2) Feb 01, 2014
Why isn't Shootist complaining about the swans being killed? He seems such a noble bird lover if the habitat is near a windmill


Hypocritical watermelons (environmental green on the outside, communist red on inside) and ending invasive species. Seems like that's killing two birds with one stone.

Seems the Queen (Elizabeth II) gave a pair of these birds to a little town in Florida. http://www.golake...Lakeland
Sinister1812
5 / 5 (1) Feb 02, 2014
Hypocritical watermelons (environmental green on the outside, communist red on inside) and ending invasive species. Seems like that's killing two birds with one stone.


I agree with the invasive species part. But just wondering what you have against environmentalists?
kochevnik
5 / 5 (2) Feb 02, 2014
Why isn't Shootist complaining about the swans being killed? He seems such a noble bird lover if the habitat is near a windmill
@Shootist Hypocritical watermelons (environmental green on the outside, communist red on inside) and ending invasive species.
You mean corporate fascist welfare whores BP and Monsanto?
The Shootist
1 / 5 (2) Feb 02, 2014
Hypocritical watermelons (environmental green on the outside, communist red on inside) and ending invasive species. Seems like that's killing two birds with one stone.


I agree with the invasive species part. But just wondering what you have against environmentalists?


beware communists bearing green fruit.
The Shootist
1.5 / 5 (2) Feb 02, 2014
Why isn't Shootist complaining about the swans being killed? He seems such a noble bird lover if the habitat is near a windmill
@Shootist Hypocritical watermelons (environmental green on the outside, communist red on inside) and ending invasive species.

You mean corporate fascist welfare whores BP and Monsanto?


Fascist? You know not the meaning of the word.

Corporations supported by left and right, alike?

I trust Monsanto and BP far more than Sierra Club or Greenpeas. At least the profit motive is honest. The leftist agenda of these communist and communist wannabes is dishonesty wrapped in a lie smothered in sophistry.
Modernmystic
4 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2014
The last time we actually declared war it was on a Central European state with a madman hell bent on genocide and global conquest at the helm....which country was that again?

You mean the last time you won a war? Since then you've declared war on a dozen countries and on anything from drugs to illiteracy to poverty to christmas to obesity to stupidity to ...

..and you've lost every single on of them.


And I thought most Europeans understood this point even if most Americans don't...

http://en.wikiped...d_States

When was the last time Germany declared peace on something BTW? Since you LOVE to point your finger I figure you ought to look at the three pointing back at you sometimes too AA.

Modernmystic
5 / 5 (2) Feb 03, 2014
There is virtually no poaching that goes in the United States when compared with Africa
You should check http://www.imdb.c...0287464/ in Africa. They just hunt for entertainment, not for meat or ethno-medical business.


Irrelevant to my point completely.

If Africa had a more developed economy it wouldn't be tolerated at all. It all comes back to a more advanced civilization has the resources, time, and energy to even begin to care about and manage the environment. You have to be above the bare essentials to deal with them in any realistic way.
Nestle
3 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2014
It all comes back to a more advanced civilization has the resources, time, and energy to even begin to care about and manage the environment
And the building of such civilization need the resources, time, and energy. But the advanced civilization has still the most excessive footprint in the life environment. It just transfered its destruction from places of consumption into places, where the energy and raw source materials are mined and produced. Which is why the poacher turism exists after all: today you cannot kill buffalo at USA national park even with huge money - but you can still pay for killing of rhinos at the central Africa. The USA indeed don't kill the gorillas, but they're still mining cobalt, niobium and tantallum and another raw sources in the areas, where the gorillas are living. And the consumption of these sources rises exponentially with introduction of so-called "high-tech" and "green technologies".
Nestle
4 / 5 (1) Feb 03, 2014
To say it clearly, no civilization cannot be called "advanced", if just transfers the responsibility for protection of life environments to another countries, which are still existing in less or more poorly opened neo-collonial dependence. But the simple pumping of money into Africa countries cannot work under the situation, when their economy and political culture is already so devastated, that every subsidy just opens the new ways for corruption. It just would lead into situation, that the contemporary Africans would kill one gorilla each day, if they will not get enough money for its "protection". The full restoration of African economy, culture and nature would take nearly the same time, as the time of its devastation in the 19th and 20th century.
Modernmystic
5 / 5 (3) Feb 03, 2014
Who are you arguing with Nestle?

What EXACTLY is your point? That we all march lockstep back into the jungle? It's either that or we understand that ALL economies go through a phase of development and with that comes a better environment and the productivity, efficiency, and technology to have the tools to do it.

If advanced economies always make a horrible environmental footprint then I suggest breathing the air in Beijing rather than in New York for a year an see how well that premise works for you.