Snowden 'an indoor cat' in Moscow, says he's 'won' (Update)

Dec 24, 2013 by Frank Griffiths
This June 9, 2013 file photo provided by The Guardian Newspaper in London shows National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, in Hong Kong. Snowden says his "mission's already accomplished" after leaking NSA secrets that have caused a reassessment of U.S. surveillance policies. Snowden told The Washington Post in a story published online Monday night, Dec. 23, 2013, he has "already won" because journalists have been able to tell the story of the government's collection of bulk Internet and phone records. (AP Photo/The Guardian, Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, File)

Keeping a mostly low-profile as a U.S. fugitive in Moscow, former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden has suddenly resurfaced in the media, saying he is confident his personal "mission is already accomplished" and he has "already won" after leaking NSA secrets. The challenge now, he believes, is to stress the importance of privacy and urge an end to mass government surveillance.

Snowden gave a more than 14-hour interview to The Washington Post, which says it's the first he has conducted in person since arriving in the Russian capital in June. He follows that up by speaking directly to the British public in a televised message that will be broadcast Wednesday as an alternative to the queen's annual Christmas speech.

Snowden told the Post he was satisfied because journalists have been able to tell the story of the U.S. government's collection of bulk Internet and phone records, an activity that has grown dramatically in the decade since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

"For me, in terms of personal satisfaction, the mission's already accomplished," he said in the interview, which was published online Monday night. "I already won."

"As soon as the journalists were able to work, everything that I had been trying to do was validated," Snowden told the Post. "Because, remember, I didn't want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself."

Snowden also gave insight into his life in Russia, suggesting that he's not getting out much by being "an indoor cat."

Now, Snowden will set out why he believes mass surveillance by governments is wrong and note the importance of the debate his disclosures have ignited.

"The conversation occurring today will determine the amount of trust we can place both in the technology that surrounds us and the government that regulates it," he says, according to excerpts from the message released by Channel 4. "Together we can find a better balance, end mass surveillance and remind the government that if it really wants to know how we feel asking is always cheaper than spying."

The queen delivers Britain's "Royal Christmas Message," but Channel 4 has used its annual alternative version to give a platform to people as diverse as Iran's then-President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad in 2008, and fictional characters including Ali G. and Marge Simpson in 1999 and 2004, respectively.

In his U.K. message, Snowden calls modern surveillance more invasive than any envisioned by "1984" author George Orwell, saying that children today will grow up without knowing what it means to have an unrecorded or private moment.

"That's a problem because privacy matters, privacy is what allows us to determine who we are and who we want to be," he says.

Snowden was interviewed by the Post in Moscow over two days by reporter Barton Gellman, who has received numerous leaks from Snowden. The interview was conducted six months after Snowden's revelations first appeared in the Post and the Guardian newspaper.

Gellman described Snowden as relaxed and animated over two days of nearly unbroken conversation.

In June, the Justice Department unsealed a criminal complaint charging Snowden, a former NSA contractor, with espionage and felony theft of government property. Russia granted him temporary asylum five months ago.

The effects of Snowden's revelations have been evident in the courts, Congress, Silicon Valley and capitals around the world, where even U.S. allies have reacted angrily to reports of U.S. monitoring of their leaders' cellphone calls. Brazil and members of the European Union are considering ways to better protect their data and U.S. technology companies such as Google, Microsoft and Yahoo are looking at ways to block the collection of data by the government.

Snowden, now 30, said he is not being disloyal to the U.S. or to his former employer.

"I am not trying to bring down the NSA, I am working to improve the NSA," he said. "I am still working for the NSA right now. They are the only ones who don't realize it."

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Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (2) Dec 24, 2013
Not even during the paranoia of McCarthyism, when we were prepared to annihilate the planet a dozen times over in the mutual assured destruction of the communist threat, did we find it necessary to spy on every citizen as though they were a potential communist terrorist. In fact, spying on our own people is held in such low regard that the only US president ever to resign the post did so after being caught—spying on our own people.

Snowden deserves a medal from the US, medals from all the allies, and recognition from everyone the NSA spied on—which is basically anyone with a phone, computer, etc.
davidivad
not rated yet Dec 24, 2013
this would make a good book or movie.
FMA
not rated yet Dec 26, 2013
he said. "I am still working for the NSA right now. They are the only ones who don't realize it."

I like it!!
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2013
when we were prepared to annihilate the planet a dozen times over in the mutual assured destruction of the communist threat

And doesn't this sound odd - now that we say it? Annihilating the human race just because we don't like a particular ideology (as if - even if that ideology somehow came to dominate the world - they last forever)

Come to think of it: There's another group of people we accuse of such fanatic zeal that they would rather wipe out everyone that let go of their ideal. We call them terrorists.

(And the very meaning of the word TERRORist conveys why they are so similar to the people who drew up these 'overkill' scenarios)
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2013
Not even during the paranoia of McCarthyism, when we were prepared to annihilate the planet a dozen times over in the mutual assured destruction of the communist threat, did we find it necessary to spy on every citizen
The threat we face now is even greater. Back then we didn't have to worry about an enemy whose numbers are growing every day, who is living amongst us, who has committed terrorist acts in their own countries as well as ours, and who has access to nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons.
And doesn't this sound odd - now that we say it? Annihilating the human race just because we don't like a particular ideology
There is a group of Jews and Muslims in the Detroit area who get together on Xmas every year to do good things for Christians. This is welcomed in Detroit, home of the largest Muslim pop outside the middle east. In the Islamist world this group would be targeted and killed.

This is how full of shit you are. We fight to protect them from you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2013
OUR WORLD

"DETROIT (AP) — Jews and Muslims have been volunteering around metropolitan Detroit to help their Christian neighbors celebrate Christmas.

"The Detroit Free Press says about 1,000 Jewish and Muslim volunteers from a number of congregations collaborated Wednesday on Mitzvah Day, the largest single day of volunteering by the local Jewish community. The Michigan Muslim Community Council is coordinating volunteers from its communities.

"The volunteers are helping social service agencies at about 40 sites throughout the day."

YOUR WORLD

"Bombs targeting Christians kill dozens in Baghdad

"Car bomb goes off near church after service after explosions at outdoor market in Christian area..."
Modernmystic
1 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2013
Come to think of it: There's another group of people we accuse of such fanatic zeal that they would rather wipe out everyone that let go of their ideal. We call them terrorists.


http://en.wikiped...vocation

Nuff said....
kochevnik
not rated yet Dec 26, 2013
@Ghost The threat we face now is even greater. Back then we didn't have to worry about an enemy whose numbers are growing every day, who is living amongst us, who has committed terrorist acts in their own countries as well as ours, and who has access to nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons.
You mean the USA or Israel?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2013
I mean russia.

"...Chechnya, where the central government of the Russian Federation has waged two bloody wars against the local secular separatist government since 1994. In the Moscow theater hostage crisis in October 2002"

"Since 2000, Russia has also experienced a string of suicide bombings that killed hundreds of people in the Caucasian republics of Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia, as well as in Russia proper including Moscow. Responsibility for most of these attacks were claimed by either Shamil Basayev's Islamic-nationalist rebel faction or, later, by Dokka Umarov's pan-Islamist movement Caucasus Emirate which is aiming to unite most of Russia's North Caucasus as an emirate since its creation in 2007. In 2011, the U.S. Department of State included the Caucasus Emirate on its list of terrorist organisations."

-Roll over. Play dead. maybe theyll leave you alone. Maybe not. If youre lucky theyll just take what you have and throw you out in the street.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2013
Heres the world aa and koch would prefer

"Violence in Central African Republic killed over 600 in a week, UN says"

"The Central African Republic has tilted into anarchy, as the country's Christian majority seeks revenge against the Muslim rebels who seized power in a coup nine months ago. Both Christian and Muslim civilians are now armed, and the international troops brought in to try to rein in the violence have been sucked into the conflict, accused of having taken sides.

"Close to the presidential palace, peacekeepers discovered a mass grave. "We found around 20 bodies in a state of decomposition in an area that we call Panthers' Hill. The 20 were scattered in different graves...""
kochevnik
1 / 5 (1) Dec 26, 2013
And who is funding these terrorists? Why NATO and the USA through their NGOs while the ringleaders sit in the USA with their $billions, traveling wherever the CIA and M6 deems a government overthrow is useful to steal oil and prevent the development of competitive alliances. Look at the maps of the Middle East, Africa, and now the "stans" around Russia. The deliberate remapping of national borders is concrete proof of US and NATO meddling called project Gladio B

A list of USA meddling would exceed all the comments in this article
kochevnik
not rated yet Dec 26, 2013
Hints the NSA is in fact the USA's official bank robber: http://www.techdi...ts.shtml

Simply crack a banking system and empty the accounts of customers. It's all for "national security!"
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2013
And who is funding these terrorists? Why NATO and the USA through their NGOs while the ringleaders sit in the USA with their $billions, traveling wherever the CIA and M6 deems a government overthrow is useful to steal oil and prevent the development of competitive alliances. Look at the maps of the Middle East, Africa, and now the "stans" around Russia. The deliberate remapping of national borders is concrete proof of US and NATO meddling called project Gladio B
If these things are being done, they are the work of People way above the US. Did you invade afghanistan because of the US? Did britain defend the falklands because of the US?

You are given enemies to fight. So are we. If we dont fight them we will die. The US is just one more Construct of the People who run the world. And so is your country.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Dec 26, 2013
"According to Sibel Edmonds, Gladio B identified, among other things, meetings between US intelligence and Ayman al-Zawahiri in Azerbaijan between 1997 and 2001, with al-Zawahiri and other mujahideen being transported by NATO aircraft to Central Asia and the Balkans."

-So?

"In the summer of 1943 Canaris [Abwehr head] actually had that meeting with General Stuart Menzies, Chief of MI-6, and Donovan (Dulles' boss at OSS) in Santander, Spain."

Supposedly this was so Canaris could present "Menzies and Donovan with his own peace plan".

-But in light of the fact that ALL abwehr agents sent to Britain were turned, and ALL of mi5 agents sent to Germany were turned or eliminated, and that Brit ops in Norway were used to deliver intel and matl to Germany, one might suspect that the Powers who were orchestrating this war were using intelligence agencies as the most secure and dependable methods of coordinating operations.

Bonhoeffers free travel among all players is especially suspect.
antialias_physorg
not rated yet Dec 27, 2013
Snowden deserves a medal from the US

Medals are pointless. He should be made head of the NSA. Pronto.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (1) Dec 27, 2013
Medals are pointless. He should be made head of the NSA. Pronto.
Well that doesn't make much sense does it? He's proved he can't keep secrets. He would just limit the power of free people to prevent the bad guys in the world from doing things like this:

"A car bomb shook downtown Beirut today, killing former Finance Minister Mohamad Chatah and five other people, underscoring how the fallout from Syria's civil war is deepening divisions in neighboring Lebanon.

""This comes in the context of the Sunni-Shiite conflict triggered by the war in Syria," Sami Nader, a professor of international relations at Beirut's St. Joseph University, said in a telephone interview. This blast was a "direct message to the moderate Sunnis in Lebanon and their Saudi supporters," he said."

-I think your problem must be that you avoid reading the news. Too uncomfortable for you?