China's moon rover leaves traces on lunar soil

Dec 15, 2013 by Louise Watt
China's moon rover leaves traces on lunar soil
This image taken from video, shows China's first moon rover touching the lunar surface and leaving deep traces on its loose soil on Sunday, Dec. 15, 2013, several hours after the country successfully carried out the world's first soft landing of a space probe on the moon in nearly four decades. The 300-pound "Jade Rabbit" rover separated from the much larger landing vehicle early Sunday, around seven hours after the unmanned Chang'e 3 space probe touched down on a fairly flat, Earth-facing part of the moon. The writing at the top of the image reads "Surveillance camera C image." (AP Photo/CCTV VNR via AP video)

China's first moon rover has touched the lunar surface and left deep traces on its loose soil, state media reported Sunday, several hours after the country successfully carried out the world's first soft landing of a space probe on the moon in nearly four decades.

The 140-kilogram (300-pound) "Jade Rabbit" rover separated from the much larger landing vehicle early Sunday, around seven hours after the unmanned Chang'e 3 touched down on a fairly flat, Earth-facing part of the .

State broadcaster China Central Television showed images taken from the lander's camera of the rover and its shadow moving down a sloping ladder and touching the surface, setting off applause in the Beijing control center. It said the lander and rover, both bearing Chinese flags, will take photos of each other Sunday evening.

Later, the six-wheeled rover will survey the moon's geological structure and surface and look for natural resources for three months, while the lander will carry out scientific explorations at the landing site for one year.

The mission marks the next stage in an ambitious space program that aims to eventually put a Chinese astronaut on the moon. China's space program is an enormous source of pride for the country, the third to carry out a lunar soft landing—which does not damage the craft and the equipment it carries—after the United States and the former Soviet Union. The last one was by the Soviet Union in 1976.

This Saturday Dec. 14, 2013 photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, shows a picture of the moon surface taken by the on-board camera of the lunar probe Chang'e-3 on the screen of the Beijing Aerospace Control Center in Beijing, capital of China. China on Saturday successfully carried out the world's first soft landing of a space probe on the moon in nearly four decades, the next stage in an ambitious space program that aims to eventually put a Chinese astronaut on the moon. (AP Photo/Xinhua, Wang Jianmin) NO SALES

"It's still a significant technological challenge to land on another world," said Peter Bond, consultant editor for Jane's Space Systems and Industry. "Especially somewhere like the moon, which doesn't have an atmosphere so you can't use parachutes or anything like that. You have to use rocket motors for the descent and you have to make sure you go down at the right angle and the right rate of descent and you don't end up in a crater on top of a large rock."

On Saturday evening, CCTV showed a computer-generated image of the Chang'e 3 lander's path as it approached the surface of the moon, saying that during the landing period it needed to have no contact with Earth. As it was just hundreds of meters (yards) away, the lander's camera broadcast images of the moon's surface.

The Chang'e 3's solar panels, which are used to absorb sunlight to generate power, opened soon after the landing.

The mission blasted off from southwest China on Dec. 2 on a Long March-3B carrier rocket. It is named after a mythical Chinese goddess of the moon and the "Yutu" rover, or "Jade Rabbit" in English, is the goddess' pet.

China's military-backed has made methodical progress in a relatively short time, although it lags far behind the United States and Russia in technology and experience.

China sent its first astronaut into space in 2003, becoming the third nation after Russia and the United States to achieve manned space travel independently. In 2006, it sent its first probe to the moon. China plans to open a space station around 2020 and send an astronaut to the moon after that.

"They are taking their time with getting to know about how to fly humans into space, how to build stations ... how to explore the solar system, especially the moon and Mars," Bond said. "They are making good strides, and I think over the next 10-20 years they'll certainly be rivaling Russia and America in this area and maybe overtaking them in some areas."

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Egleton
1 / 5 (4) Dec 15, 2013
Overtaking? Of cause. Plot the trendlines.
pianoman
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 15, 2013
Now that China is on the lunar surface, lets hope they don't censor their pics and videos.Thanks
Howard_Vickridge
3 / 5 (4) Dec 15, 2013
How many years until we see violence from factions securing and defending mineral resources on the moon, will it be in my lifetime? I'm about 50yrs old now, and expect too see another 40 or so.

Regardless, congratulations to China for achieving such a technically demanding and unforgiving undertaking. The appear to have pulled it off.
Mayday
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 15, 2013
Congratulations to China's space program. Where can we see more photos/videos? And is there a site with more info, like does it have batteries or some other source of energy to continue to function and stay warm through the lunar nights (14 earth-days of cold, last time I counted)? And what sensors/instruments are on board? I particularly like the subsurface radar probe. Will the rover be operating 24/7 during daylight?
TransmissionDump
3.7 / 5 (6) Dec 15, 2013
How many years until we see violence from factions securing and defending mineral resources on the moon, will it be in my lifetime? I'm about 50yrs old now, and expect too see another 40 or so.



I'm hoping it'll go the other way and you'll be able to stop in for a bite to eat at China Moon Restaurant on your way Mars.
big_hairy_jimbo
1 / 5 (2) Dec 15, 2013
The lander is equipped with an RTG, while the rover has solar panels.
For more info see here http://www.nasasp...arrival/

It's a pity PhysOrg didn't provide this level of information!!

Now if only I could find actual video!!
Humpty
2 / 5 (8) Dec 15, 2013
Oh no!

Lunar rover leaves tyre tracks on the moon!

This is soooooooooooooooooooooooo news worthy.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (4) Dec 15, 2013
How many years until we see violence from factions securing and defending mineral resources on the moon...
- Howard_V

I'm sure you folks will disagree with me on this...but I think that it may not be a good idea for anyone to do any mining for resources on the Moon where those resources are taken away, possibly back to Earth.
The pull of the Moon controls the ebb and flow of the tides, so that if a certain amount of matter is removed from the Moon, it might make a difference in tidal action on Earth, even if only a small difference.
I could be right, or I could be wrong...but I have a bad feeling about doing anything with the Moon other than researching its properties and using it as a jump-off point to get to Mars.
Hopefully, it won't be used for anything other than for peaceful purposes.
Solon
3 / 5 (4) Dec 15, 2013
Congratulations to China's space program. Where can we see more photos/videos? And is there a site with more info, like does it have batteries or some other source of energy to continue to function and stay warm through the lunar nights (14 earth-days of cold, last time I counted)? And what sensors/instruments are on board? I particularly like the subsurface radar probe. Will the rover be operating 24/7 during daylight?


This page is pretty informative:

Chang'e 3 - Mission Overview
http://www.spacef...e-3.html
big_hairy_jimbo
1 / 5 (2) Dec 15, 2013
@Solon, that link is AWESOME, thank you very much!!
Captain Stumpy
2.3 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
but I think that it may not be a good idea for anyone to do any mining for resources on the Moon where those resources are taken away, possibly back to Earth.
The pull of the Moon controls the ebb and flow of the tides, so that if a certain amount of matter is removed from the Moon, it might make a difference in tidal action on Earth, even if only a small difference.


Obama_socks
IMHO- wouldnt that mining have to be insanely large scale and take huge amounts away from the moon to have noticeable effects on earth?
even considering the scale of the moon, i would think that mining would have about as much effect as the moon's recession... unless we are talking obscenely large volumes...
but i am not even sure we have the ability to mine/process/deliver that kind of volume at this point in time...
PhotonX
4.8 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2013
It's a pity PhysOrg didn't provide this level of information!!
Physorg is an aggregation site, and doesn't write the content itself.
ChangBroot
1 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
China is smart, unlike the west to force people to give up their resources. China, without killing millions of people (and counting) around the world and stealing their resources, is achieving their objectives (yes, blame the cheap labor). If the West does not show stupidity (like they did on Mother Earth) and claim the moon, China will never do such a thing. The world would be like the heavens, if the West stop terrorizing every country and if they pay for the resources, just like the rest of us.

The moon could be a vacation destination soon, if we all get along and stop the rich (NASA, DOD) from monopolizing it in the name of "science." I just wish we could all come to our senses and live in harmony. God knows how geniuses have dies in those poor countries, without being given a chance to show their ingenuity, creativity, innovation or invention. Truly, we are all slowing advancement if we let the rich lead us.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2013
but I think that it may not be a good idea for anyone to do any mining for resources on the Moon where those resources are taken away, possibly back to Earth.
The pull of the Moon controls the ebb and flow of the tides, so that if a certain amount of matter is removed from the Moon, it might make a difference in tidal action on Earth, even if only a small difference.


Obama_socks
IMHO- wouldnt that mining have to be insanely large scale and take huge amounts away from the moon to have noticeable effects on earth?
even considering the scale of the moon, i would think that mining would have about as much effect as the moon's recession... unless we are talking obscenely large volumes...
but i am not even sure we have the ability to mine/process/deliver that kind of volume at this point in time...


Stumpy, I was referring to enormous amounts of Moon regolith, rocks, etc. over a long period of time, perhaps centuries.
contd
obama_socks
1 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2013
contd

It may not even be possible in the 21st century to mine those resources, but eventually, there will be mining companies who may want to take advantage of the close proximity of the Moon to Earth, especially if we run out of certain rare elements here that may be available on the Moon. Even not so rare metals may be plentiful there and cheap to dig out centuries from now.
And those future mining companies may not be so concerned about the damage they will do to the Moon by digging out enormous amounts of whatever is profitable. Think of all the strip mining done on Earth. We don't know at what point too much removal of Moon soil and rocks would become dangerous to its control of the ebb and flow of Earth's oceans. Just imagine a big hole where the Sea of Tranquility once was.

obama_socks
1 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2013
Hmm...the second part of my comment seems to have disappeared.

Oh, there it is.
Humpty
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 16, 2013
And the tyre prints say:

"Cheng Shen Tyre Co. PRC Tiwan"
betterexists
1 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
Overtaking? Of cause. Plot the trendlines.

Difference between Communism & Capitalism is based on WHERE ALL the Money is; In the Former it is CONCENTRATED at the Very Top!
So, Tech is THERE & Money is THERE.
Just IMAGINE!
It just will Catch Fire & ALL Helium-3 FREEEEEE ENERGY will be WITH CHINA!

Just DON'T DWELL ON THE PAST! Churchillsht & his Sunsht shtetting quote COMES TO MIND!
betterexists
2 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2013
Now that China is on the lunar surface, lets hope they don't censor their pics and videos.Thanks

YOU ARE B.S. Fellow!
Do you Everyday Work in Manholes in Public Streets?
betterexists
1 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
Congratulations to China's space program. Where can we see more photos/videos? And is there a site with more info, like does it have batteries or some other source of energy to continue to function and stay warm through the lunar nights (14 earth-days of cold, last time I counted)? And what sensors/instruments are on board? I particularly like the subsurface radar probe. Will the rover be operating 24/7 during daylight?

They WERE & ARE More Worried than you about those things!
I looked for them also....May be they are More busy with those damned tests than releasing the Photos of the same place AGAIN & AGAIN at least for now, I think!
betterexists
2 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2013
How many years until we see violence from factions securing and defending mineral resources on the moon...
- Howard_V

I'm sure you folks will disagree with me on this...but I think that it may not be a good idea for anyone to do any mining for resources on the Moon where those resources are taken away, possibly back to Earth.
I could be right, or I could be wrong...but I have a bad feeling about doing anything with the Moon other than researching its properties and using it as a jump-off point to get to Mars.
Hopefully, it won't be used for anything other than for peaceful purposes.

anything other than for peaceful purposes?
What is U.S doing with Drones etc ?
China will Continue to improve its Tech; U.S will continue to Object like U.K did to U.S centuries Ago.
YOU BET!
U.S will be Gone in No Time!

betterexists
1 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
contd

It may not even be possible in the 21st century to mine those resources, but eventually, there will be mining companies who may want to take advantage of the close proximity of the Moon to Earth, especially if we run out of certain rare elements here that may be available on the Moon. Even not so rare metals may be plentiful there and cheap to dig out centuries from now.
And those future mining companies may not be so concerned about the damage they will do to the Moon by digging out enormous amounts of whatever is profitable. Think of all the strip mining done on Earth. We don't know at what point too much removal of Moon soil and rocks would become dangerous to its control of the ebb and flow of Earth's oceans. Just imagine a big hole where the Sea of Tranquility once was.


about the damage they will do to the Moon by digging out enormous amounts of whatever is profitable.

You are worried about damage to Moon?
Your JEALOUSY comes to view THAN your SANITY/INSANITY!
betterexists
1 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
View the Latter half of it & come to your senses.
http://www.youtub...gMxfomk4
THEN VIEW the 1st half of it!
betterexists
1 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2013
How many years until we see violence from factions securing and defending mineral resources on the moon...
- Howard_V
I'm sure you folks will disagree with me on this...but I think that it may not be a good idea for anyone to do any mining for resources on the Moon where those resources are taken away, possibly back to Earth.
I could be right, or I could be wrong...but I have a bad feeling about doing anything with the Moon other than researching its properties and using it as a jump-off point to get to Mars.
Hopefully, it won't be used for anything other than for peaceful purposes.

anything other than for peaceful purposes?
What is U.S doing with Drones etc ?
China will Continue to improve its Tech; U.S will continue to Object like U.K did to U.S centuries Ago.
YOU BET!
U.S will be Gone in No Time!

Read HERE: http://www.global...kP7TS-po
"Communication key to avoid sea incidents; As China's strength grows, the US s
betterexists
1 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
Read HERE: http://www.global...kP7TS-po
"Communication key to avoid sea incidents; As China's strength grows, the US should learn to communicate with and respect China if it doesn't want a collision on the sea or in the air"

Same thing might have been Enacted between U.S & U.K a few Centuries back!
This is SciTech Website dealing SciTech related matters viewed from ALL angles.
Mayday
5 / 5 (1) Dec 16, 2013
If I were in charge of any space program, I would not be able to resist the temptation to send along a phony inflatable astronaut, just to freak people out. Imagine the rover turning around to snap a photo and an astronaut pops up out of the lander. Priceless.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.2 / 5 (5) Dec 16, 2013
Oh hey here's something a cal tech grad with a 3.9 gpa would say;
I'm sure you folks will disagree with me on this...but I think that it may not be a good idea for anyone to do any mining for resources on the Moon where those resources are taken away, possibly back to Earth.
The pull of the Moon controls the ebb and flow of the tides, so that if a certain amount of matter is removed from the Moon, it might make a difference in tidal action on Earth, even if only a small difference
-Apart from the fact that most people know this is absurd, let alone a cal tech fucking ENGINEER which you pretend to be, don't you remember the last time somebody told you that

"Estimates for the mass of material that falls on Earth each year range from 37,000 -78,000 tons"

-You fucking moron.
Zephir_fan
Dec 16, 2013
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obama_socks
1 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
@Zephir_fan

Otto always tells lies about me and others who Otto has a grudge against. Otto also thinks I have a vagina, which is why it calls me pussytard, Otto hates women and has said that fish is a metaphor for womanly smells. I have the link for all Otto's insane posts. Even though I have said that I have a penis and testicles and have the ability to impregnate women with my sperm, otto insists that I'm female even though I've never had a vagina...because if I was born with one, I'd be playing with it 24/7. :)

And that's a fact, jack LOL
obama_socks
1 / 5 (4) Dec 16, 2013
Read HERE: http://www.global...kP7TS-po
"Communication key to avoid sea incidents; As China's strength grows, the US should learn to communicate with and respect China if it doesn't want a collision on the sea or in the air"

Same thing might have been Enacted between U.S & U.K a few Centuries back!
This is SciTech Website dealing SciTech related matters viewed from ALL angles.
- betterexists

Some interesting posts you've got there.
Re: what I said about mining rocks and soil from the Moon...it would take centuries of digging out the surface soil and rocks, etc. and then far below the surface to make a big difference.
But as I indicated, we don't know at what point mining and removing the Moon rocks and soil might prove dangerous for the ebb and flow of the tides on Earth...and what the results would be.
IMHO, the U.S. deficit will soon be so big that China will take over parts of our country as payment of our debt that Obama is running up
obama_socks
1 / 5 (2) Dec 16, 2013
Of course, it would take a very long time before mankind would notice a change in the amounts of tidal ebb and flow if the size of the Moon were to be diminished greatly by constant mining and removing the Moon rocks and soil for whatever purpose. Centuries, maybe thousands of years of steady mining. Suppose there is gold or silver or other precious metals in the interior. Perhaps diamonds. Whatever is profitable for mining companies of the future with the right ships and mining equipment will probably determine the fate of the Moon and its natural resources. And ultimately, the fate of Earth.
Humpty
1 / 5 (2) Dec 16, 2013
Hmmmmmm I am all for mining the moon....

We will all probably come and go into oblivion before so much as a mountain of it ever gets sent anywhere...

Great place to set up solar concentrator dishes - cheap BBQ-ing etc..
obama_socks
1 / 5 (3) Dec 16, 2013
Oh, and I suggest that everyone who comments on topic should ignore all of Theghostofotto1923's idiotic comments and lies about me and others. I will not speak to Otto due to his insanity and because Otto thinks he owns Physorg and has the right to stop commenters from talking about the topic and giving their opinions. Otto is just crazy and belongs in a mental hospital in a straitjacket, as so many have discovered.

And be aware that if you cause Otto to have a grudge against you, he will follow you into every thread you have commented in just to tell lies about you and lower your rating.
Otto likes to dredge up old comments and take them out of context and misrepresent their true meaning and show the old comments in the threads because Otto thinks that will intimidate his "victims". Yes, Otto needs victims like a vampire needs to suck.

Isn't that right, Zephir_fan?
obama_socks
1 / 5 (2) Dec 17, 2013
Oh hey here's something a cal tech grad with a 3.9 gpa would say;
I'm sure you folks will disagree with me on this...but I think that it may not be a good idea for anyone to do any mining for resources on the Moon where those resources are taken away, possibly back to Earth.
The pull of the Moon controls the ebb and flow of the tides, so that if a certain amount of matter is removed from the Moon, it might make a difference in tidal action on Earth, even if only a small difference
-Apart from the fact that most people know this is absurd, let alone a cal tech fucking ENGINEER which you pretend to be, don't you remember the last time somebody told you that

"Estimates for the mass of material that falls on Earth each year range from 37,000 -78,000 tons"

-And I'm a fucking moron.
- Otto

Yes, Otto IS a fucking moron. Mass of material that falls on Earth...? As usual, Otto can't comprehend English. I referred to material REMOVED FROM THE MOON.

OTTO, GO TAKE YOUR MEDS
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Dec 17, 2013
...we don't know at what point mining and removing the Moon rocks and soil might prove dangerous for the ebb and flow of the tides on Earth
-Says the person who also claims to be
"employed by an aerospace company in the capacity of an Engineer with many degrees" "the education for which I received my diplomas, awards, et al" "we are working on a new aerospace company project which will not be spoken about in these threads because it is "top secret" "I am employed with an aerospace company in the Engineering Dept. where I design operational %$(#%*@)^!, which company policy forbids me to discuss in this Physorg. Spies are in here too, you know" "Many of my colleagues and "higher-ups" visit this website and another one that I know of. We all keep tabs on each other for security purposes" "Caltech...my old alma mater"
-But a caltech grad would certainly know how ignorant is the idea that lunar mining could affect tides. Which is how we know youre definitely NOT one. Understand?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (2) Dec 17, 2013
Yes, Otto IS a fucking moron. Mass of material that falls on Earth...? As usual, Otto can't comprehend English. I referred to material REMOVED FROM THE MOON
So uh retard did you actually miss that I was only indicating the relative amount of stuff that is changing the masses of the earth and the moon ALL THE TIME, and how we would never be transferring a comparable amount? Are you really THAT_fucking_stupid??

Naw, youre just some snot-nosed little vandal who is enjoying herself making adults jump for her arent you? Because NOBODY is as stupid as you, except on purpose. Come on pussytard fess up. Tell us you only wrote
"Photons do not experience gravitational pull in general...A photon is affected by gravitational forces only if those forces are strong enough to have any effect on the photon"
-because you think its clever to pretend to be this stupid. Am I right?
obama_socks
1 / 5 (3) Dec 17, 2013
Otto said, and I quote, ""Estimates for the mass of material that falls on Earth each year range from 37,000 -78,000 tons""

As usual Otto pulls shit out of his voluminous ass (see photo of Otto's sockpuppet, CardacianNeverid), and pretends that it had something to do with what I had said about removing soil and rocks, etc. FROM THE MOON through mining in the far future.

I was not talking about "what falls on the Earth" but Otto has a hard time comprehending even easy concepts. So Otto is now insisting that what is REMOVED from the Moon (which is what I was talking about) will now be referred to as "what falls on the Earth".

Otto appears to be jealous of my Phd's and 3.9 GPA from Caltech, just as Otto is also jealous of Noumenon and antialias_physorg because they are very well educated, extremely intelligent and don't need to Google to add to their knowledge.

Everyone knows that Otto is a very insecure and mentally disturbed cretin, which is why most people avoid Otto AMAP.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (3) Dec 17, 2013
It also appears that Theghostofotto19234 has not been taking his medication for his DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER, which is another reason why he prefers for me to be a girl in order to try and intimidate me with his sockpuppets. Because in Otto's insane mind, girls and women are his enemy and Otto considers "fish as a metaphor for womanly smells". Remember when you said that, Otto? That was our clue that you have never had sex with a woman because you believe that ALL women smell like fish. You obviously prefer men, as the very eloquent "Richieguy" has often mentioned in the past.

No wonder Theghostofotto1923 is known to have referred to "pesky genitalia" in several previous threads.
Zephir_fan
Dec 17, 2013
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Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Dec 18, 2013
obama_socks
Stumpy, I was referring to enormous amounts of Moon regolith, rocks, etc. over a long period of time, perhaps centuries


thanks for clarifying... I see now. I am pretty sure that before mining gets too aggressive, this will be addressed, at least before some gov't councils.

Zephir_fan
I have found that they (otto & Obama_socks) will argue regardless. to say they dislike each other would be a hyperbole. LOL
I tend to just take what information I can use and learn from, if it is good, and I TRY to ignore the rest.
this is jut MY opinion, though... not saying how anyone else should act... I am here to learn what I can. and I speak my mind when I feel like it. I am not always right, but ... who is?
Zephir_fan
Dec 18, 2013
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