NSA website down, spy agency investigating: US official

Oct 25, 2013
The National Security Agency (NSA) headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland, as seen from the air, January 29, 2010

The National Security Agency's website went down Friday and the US spy service known for hacking into computer networks said it was investigating the outage, a spokesperson said.

"We are looking into this," said Vanee Vines of the NSA, without offering any details about what had caused the site to go dark.

The , nsa.gov, went down Friday afternoon, setting off speculation on Twitter that the site may have suffered a denial of service attack by hackers.

The hacker group Anonymous joked about the website going down in a tweet without saying if it had played any role. "Aw don't panic about .gov being down. They have a of the internet," it said.

The loosely organized, international hacker collective has frequently clashed with US authorities over file-sharing as well as allowing banks to handle donations to the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks.

The NSA has been at the center of a furor over its vast electronic surveillance operations, revealed in a series of leaks from former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, who has obtained asylum in Russia.

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rocket77777
1 / 5 (13) Oct 26, 2013
While back, I thought they made noise about nothing about known fact.
It is shocking that other government did not know usa with biggest spy system did not spy on them and all the internet. lol
VENDItardE
1 / 5 (15) Oct 26, 2013
so the nsa is investigating why the nsa took down the website?
Neinsense99
1.5 / 5 (14) Oct 26, 2013
so the nsa is investigating why the nsa took down the website?

Hardly. After they accidentally downloaded my mini_me.exe file, they really should have sent me the one million dollars. It would have been so much simpler.

Muhahaha...
crhylove
5 / 5 (6) Oct 26, 2013
They should all be in jail for treason.
Lurker2358
1.3 / 5 (18) Oct 26, 2013
They should all be in jail for treason.


Oh yeah, if you are talking about Anonymous, definitely. They should be jailed for treason and felony manslaughter, due to hindering our efforts to fight terrorists and Nazis everywhere.

After all, Anonymous' actions do fit the definition of Manslaughter in many states, since they had reason to know that death or serious bodily injury could occurr to some Americans (overseas for example) due to their actions.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.4 / 5 (7) Oct 26, 2013
Nobody is invulnerable. No defense is impregnable from an enemy free to observe, identify weakness, and plan his attack at his leisure.

This is why prudence dictates that identifying enemies and attacking them on your initiative and not theirs. Is the only way to survive.

This is what the pointman is for. Loaches would hover low in the open in order to draw fire and give the gunships something to destroy.

No one waits until the enemy is ready to attack. By then it is already too late. The NSA is a straw dog, inviting attack. They now know who their enemies are and what they are capable of.
ScooterG
1.3 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
From TheGhost "This is why prudence dictates that identifying enemies and attacking them on your initiative and not theirs. Is the only way to survive."

This sounds plausible, but I've seen no historical evidence that it works in practice or that it has ever really been attempted.

The last war the USA won was due to our (then current) broad definition of "enemy". That is - you sleep with the enemy, you too are an enemy. You cook for the enemy, you too are an enemy. If you are a two year-old child and give purpose to the enemy, you too are an enemy.

Wars are won when enemies are exterminated to the point they unconditionally surrender.

Shootist
1 / 5 (12) Oct 26, 2013
They should all be in jail for treason.


Oh yeah, if you are talking about Anonymous, definitely. They should be jailed for treason and felony manslaughter, due to hindering our efforts to fight terrorists and Nazis everywhere.

After all, Anonymous' actions do fit the definition of Manslaughter in many states, since they had reason to know that death or serious bodily injury could occurr to some Americans (overseas for example) due to their actions.


No. crhylove correctly ID'd NSA. I'm uncertain about treason, since NSA was following the Obama's administration's interpretation of the Patriot Act, so I will settle for tar and feathers for all involved, NSA, Congress, their staffers and the Administration..

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 26, 2013
I've seen no historical evidence that it works in practice
Germany invaded the USSR first because it knew that stalin was preparing to invade them. That is only the most obvious.

But as I say the enemy is often goaded into making a move, and navies are often the proper tool for this. The battleship maine sailed into havana harbor and then blew itself up. Ft sumpter was an irresistible target. Roosevelt moved the pacific fleet out to hawaii from san diego and into the enemys face in order to provoke attack. The lusitania was indeed carrying weapons and ammunition.

"Therefore the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him."
"Force him to reveal himself, so as to find out his vulnerable spots."
Sun Tzu

"The Romans never allowed a trouble spot to remain simply to avoid going to war over it, because they knew that wars don't just go away, they are only postponed to someone else's advantage." Macchiavelli
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (8) Oct 26, 2013
Wars are won when enemies are exterminated to the point they unconditionally surrender.
-von Clauswitz. He knew that destroying the enemy was more effective than taking ground. He also said

"The best defense is a good offense."

-The US is currently removing its enemies where they live with drones rather than waiting for them to attack, which they would inevitably do. A war against terror had to be initiated in order to justify this.

A real estate mogul was once asked why he did not make an offer for the world trade center. "I dont want to own a target" he said.
ScooterG
1.2 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2013

-The US is currently removing its enemies where they live with drones rather than waiting for them to attack, which they would inevitably do. A war against terror had to be initiated in order to justify this.


Indeed, but only those "enemies" that are packing a weapon when visually observed are removed. And even those enemies are not fired on if there is any chance that a non-packing person might get injured.

In the meantime, coalition soldiers are being slaughtered because we don't have the guts to go to war with the objective of winning.

The "kinder, gentler" approach to war is a sure-fire recipe for losing the war.

Bombing Nagasaki and Hiroshima worked.
Zephir_fan
Oct 26, 2013
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PoppaJ
1 / 5 (11) Oct 26, 2013
Denial of service attacks are childs play. Anonymous needs to get serious and actually take down the servers collecting the info and doing the spying. Better that anonymous do it than some actual government.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
"This is why prudence dictates that identifying enemies and attacking them on your initiative and not theirs. Is the only way to survive."

You are aware that you have just delivered a rationale for a preemptive strike (nuclear or otherwise) against the US for everyone else?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (9) Oct 27, 2013
"This is why prudence dictates that identifying enemies and attacking them on your initiative and not theirs. Is the only way to survive."

You are aware that you have just delivered a rationale for a preemptive strike (nuclear or otherwise) against the US for everyone else?
You bet. And the enemies of the west are fully aware of this potential and are fully prepared to act on it, which is what they have promised to do.

So while you are appeaibg to their reason and trying to talk them out of this, we will be busy identifying and eliminating them. And monitoring your every move as you make contact with these people so that your efforts will not be fully wasted.

Because we know from long experience what will work and what will not, and we will not let naïveté such as yours cause our downfall.

Give Angela our love. Want her number?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 27, 2013
"BAGHDAD –  A series of car bombings in Baghdad, an explosion at a market and a suicide assault in a northern city killed at least 62 people Sunday across Iraq, officials said, the latest in a wave of attacks washing over the country.

"Coordinated bombings hit Iraq multiple times each month, feeding a spike in bloodshed that has killed more than 5,000 people since April. The local branch of Al Qaeda often takes responsibility for the assaults, although there was no immediate claim for Sunday's blasts."

-See? They know all about preemptive attacks. We read about these things every day. Do you? Do you just ignore them because they don't fit your Weltanschuung?

You may be willing to tolerate such behavior in your country, but we are not. Perhaps you can talk them out of killing their own neighbors en masse? Viel Glück.
beleg
1 / 5 (4) Oct 28, 2013
"They now know who their enemies are and what they are capable of." - ?
All your comments...sometimes I find myself thinking ...if only you were not beyond all help, then not all is lost.

That is quickly dispelled with every further comment from you.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (6) Oct 28, 2013
And the enemies of the west are fully aware of this potential and are fully prepared to act on it

I guess you should try looking at these 'enemies'
1) They're not enemies (neither Russia nor China - not even Iran)
2) None of these have militaries that are even remotely geared towards aggressive projection of power (like the US military is). Especially Russia's and China's military units are only suitable for defense. Iran has no attack power that could be directed towards the US whatsoever. They couldn't even attack Europe if they wanted to.

Don't believe the hype of your own media (nor the history textbooks you were brought up on - which are full of demonstrable exaggerations as to the 'aggressiveness' of these 'enemies'.

They know all about preemptive attacks.

Funny how they weren't preemptively attacking till after the US preemptively attacked - which makes theior attack NOT preemptive.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 28, 2013
aggressive projection of power
You must sleep a lot. Did you sleep thru the invasion of Kuwait, 9/11, and the nukes that north Korea set off? And do you not think that people capable of blowing up mosques and girls schools, and shooting up shopping malls, are capable of doing such in your country?
hype
And did you sleep through the Mumbai massacre? I suppose you think that was our fault as well?

Since this is a science site let me restate a formula imam sure you are familiar with.
Cultures still exist which will always grow past the means to support themselves.
Their people will always suffer for it.
Their religions will always blame this on unbelievers.
The people will then feel justified in taking what they need from these enemies.

Numbers don't lie. You pacifists have been trying to 'educate' these cultures for centuries. How's that working out?

In the meantime we will defend ourselves and you.

Iran is our enemy.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 28, 2013
And your enemy as well.
Iran has no attack power
"(CNN) - Iran may need only a month to produce enough weapons-grade uranium for a nuclear bomb, a U.S.-based anti-proliferation group says in a new assessment of Tehran's enrichment program."

-Iran already has missiles which with modification could deliver a nuke to tel aviv or turkey. But a very real danger from north Korea or Iran is proliferation - the idea that they would sell to third parties. Aggression could then involve perhaps a shipping container in wilhelmshaven harbor.

Why does this not keep you up at night?

Iran has pledged to destroy Israel. Should we wait until they do before doing something? Preparation takes months. The sitzkrieg lasted a year... who really thought the third Reich was a threat? (because they said as much) Chamberlain tried appeasement... how'd that work out?
they weren't preemptively attacking
So you DO blame the great Satan for all the sectarian violence in the world. Curious.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 28, 2013
I suppose all these things were our fault as well?

"In April 1950, Stalin gave [North korea] permission to invade the South"

"North Korea wanted second Korean war in 1965, says Chinese scholar"

"North Korea threatens to reduce the 'rat-like' South 'to ashes'"

"first Arab-Israeli war in early 1948...Arab nations, including Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and then-Transjordan, lend support to the Palestinians."

"Sadat, allied with President Hafez Assad of Syria, attacks Israel on Oct. 6, 1973 — on Yom Kippur"

"intifada (or uprising) of Palestinians"

"Sept. 28, 2000, sparking demonstrations. Another uprising is launched"

"Israel plans pre-emptive strikes June 5 1967 against Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq — nations that had mobilized for war"

"Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza after rocket attacks 10 28, 2013"

""This country [Iran]... will do anything to destroy the state of Israel" - Ahmadinejad

"Five Killed as Jeep Rams Into Crowd at Beijing's Tiananmen"

???
beleg
1 / 5 (3) Oct 28, 2013
Clandestine agencies having no plans if plan A fails makes no sense.
Plans for blowback of any kind just makes sense.

"Originally, blowback was CIA internal coinage denoting the unintended, harmful consequences—to friendly populations and military forces—when a given weapon is used beyond its purpose as intended by the party supplying it."

For example, global eavesdropping.
http://en.wikiped...gence%29
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 28, 2013
Do you think north korea or iran have plans for blowback if third parties use the nukes they sell them in such manner so as to get their countries destroyed out from under them?
kochevnik
1 / 5 (8) Oct 28, 2013
aggressive projection of power
You must sleep a lot. Did you sleep thru the invasion of Kuwait, 9/11, and the nukes that north Korea set off?

Kuwait - Bush Sr. AUTHORIZED Sadam to invade, then attacket him for doing so. FALSE FLAG: Incubator babies

9/11 - Israel connected about 200 ways to that dog and pony show FALSE FLAG: Squibs in controlled demolition. Jets flying THROUGH towers intact then vanishing. Plane in witness video blocked by building in BACKGROUND lol

North Korea - Now we KNOW you're not sober
kochevnik
1 / 5 (9) Oct 28, 2013
@Ghost ""This country [Iran]... will do anything to destroy the state of Israel" - Ahmadinejad
That mistranslated quote has been completely debunked, coming from Israel. Any Farsi speaker knows. You don't want to be associated with ryggie, do you?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 28, 2013
Kuwait - Bush Sr. AUTHORIZED Sadam to invade, then attacket him for doing so. FALSE FLAG: Incubator babies
So you say we baited him into getting his army destroyed? But according to him thats what he wanted. "My army was getting to be a problem" he said. So we killed it for him. Win-win.
9/11 - Israel connected about 200 ways to that dog and pony show FALSE FLAG
Unnecessary to explain anything.
Squibs in controlled demolition.
Absolutely impossible.
Jets flying THROUGH towers intact then vanishing
-Magic??
Plane in witness video blocked by building in BACKGROUND lol
The only plausible conspiracy theory is that the wtc was built as an irresistible target like pearl harbor.
http://www.youtub...NmYGE-T4
mistranslated quote
Oh come on. If you knew farsi you would know that the idioms are equivalent. 'must [vanish from] the page of time '
http://waronyou.c...3.0;wap2
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 28, 2013
North Korea - Now we KNOW you're not sober
So please offer your more plausible explanation as to why north korea invaded the south, and why they want to do so again.

"Kim Jong Un said on Wednesday 3/13 that North Korea would attack U.S. military bases in the Pacific in addition to South Korea if its "enemies … make even the slightest movement.... Pyongyang also has a history of not bluffing. The most recent examples coming in 2010 when the North shelled a South Korean island, and sunk a South Korean navy ship."
Russia nor China - not even Iran)
2) None of these have militaries that are even remotely geared towards aggressive projection of power
"2012, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei instructed the Revolutionary Guards and Quds Force to increase their terror attacks... Iran supplies political support and weapons to Hamas,[14] an organization committed to the destruction of Israel by Jihad"
http://en.wikiped...errorism
kochevnik
1 / 5 (10) Oct 29, 2013
2) None of these have militaries that are even remotely geared towards aggressive projection of power
"2012, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei instructed the Revolutionary Guards and Quds Force to increase their terror attacks... Iran supplies political support and weapons to Hamas,[14] an organization committed to the destruction of Israel by Jihad"
http://en.wikiped...errorism
That's just a zionist viewpoint. One could just as easily say AIPAC is a coalition between the west and Israel to destroy stability in the Arab world. And they would have Iraq, Libya, Iran, Egypt and Syria as excellent examples

NSA's true job is corporate and political espionage: to obtain secrets and kompromat which is directly given to Americas corporations which are unable to innovate, and so must steal innovation from more sophisticated spheres. Americans stopped investing in their own crumbling infrastructure and like any collapsing empire must pirate
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 29, 2013
just a Zionist viewpoint
-And the Islamist viewpoint would be that they are supporting revolutionaries and freedom fighters to deliver the world to Allah. The reality is they are indeed aiding and abetting terrorists and insurgents with the goal of eliminating Israel and establishing a caliphate; and eventually conquering the world. Another dark age.
obtain secrets... American corporations
Most all corporations are multinational. And any CEO will tell you that corporate health depends on the continued existence of western civilization.

There are more important things in this world than money. What good is money if the govts which issue it collapse? What good is money if ecologies collapse?

Overall stability and the technological progress it enables are the most important things in this world. And the obsolete religionist cultures we fight against threaten both. And the People who are in Charge know this full well.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 29, 2013
Iraq libya iran Lebanon Syria
The Arab spring is a glaring demonstration of the effect of religion in forcing pops to grow beyond the carrying capacity of a region.

Mubarak was well-liked but had to become more and more strict as his populace began to suffer. The people will always blame their leaders for their misfortune no matter how benevolent they may be. The result is radicalism and unrest.

Mubarak was removed but replaced with a regime just as strict because that is what is necessary to maintain order. Pakistan harbored bin laden because he was instrumental in bleeding off the hungry, idle, angry young hordes who would otherwise be rioting in the streets.

Instead a steady stream is being sent west and into the guns of coalition forces. And so Pakistan avoided it's Arab spring and a possible nuclear war with India.

The world is being Managed. The evidence for this is pervasive and undeniable. And greed is only one of many very dependable Tools used in this Effort.
kochevnik
1 / 5 (8) Oct 29, 2013
just a Zionist viewpoint
-And the Islamist viewpoint would be that they are supporting revolutionaries and freedom fighters to deliver the world to Allah. The reality is they are indeed aiding and abetting terrorists and insurgents with the goal of eliminating Israel and establishing a caliphate; and eventually conquering the world. Another dark age.
Yes and zionists have innovated a way to instill a dark age by COOPERATION with other tyrannical forces like the now defunct British Empire and the Saudi terrorists who openly threaten acts of terrorism to whoever opposes their interest. Indeed zionist competition comes not from Islam alone, but the rise of new states not beholden to zionism such as the BRIC supernation

Bin Laden died of kidney failure and had to be unfrozen for Obama's dog and pony show. A glass CIA office was constructed across the street from Osama's 'home', as subtle as displaying a US flag outside. Osama had many doubles as did Saddam
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 29, 2013
But... the british royal family is the rightful inheritor of the throne of david, did you know it?
http://www.thetru...h-throne

'Zionism' is a very recent construct.

"The rabbis of Germany signed a petition, not to let Zionists make a conference on the land of Germany…. Judaism was against Zionism till Hitler. The organized Judaism was against it. Not only the orthodox, but the conservative and reform. Really a majority was against Zionism."

-Another Agency assembled for very specific Purposes, in this case to establish a nationalist garrison state and western bridgehead in the midst of islam. A chesspiece if you will.

If youre looking for conspiracy why dont you try the freemasons or the illuminati? Also artificial and Purpose-built but older. Or the Vatican. Older still. Its currently being disassembled as its Purpose has been fulfilled.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 29, 2013
Bin Laden died of kidney failure and had to be unfrozen for Obama's dog
And Im sure saddaam is sitting on a beach somewhere. The statue of him they tore down for the world to see was installed only a year previous, specifically for the purpose, and directly across from the hotel where all the press stayed.

Lots of dogs and ponies in the world. The public expects nothing less. Sometimes dogs and ponies must be kurdish villagers gassed in their sleep or even bays of pigs. How else are we going to know who the enemies really are, if they dont act really really bad?

Himmler lived out his golden years at area 51. Many retirees flock to desert climes like palm springs. The most powerful person in the reich did not die in his underwear in an american pow camp. Arf arf.

You have GOT to account for overpopulation in your understanding of world events. It is real, it has always been inevitable and unavoidable, and so we can believe that Leaders have always PLANNED for it.
kochevnik
1 / 5 (7) Oct 29, 2013
@Ghost You have GOT to account for overpopulation in your understanding of world events. It is real, it has always been inevitable and unavoidable, and so we can believe that Leaders have always PLANNED for it.
Agreed, but there is little evidence that politicians make overpopulation a priority. In fact with religion it is a tool to build armies and expand empires. People smart enough to engineer 9/11 or instigate rainbow rainbow revolutions in East Europe are definitely smart enough to engineer a simple bioagent that could be aerosol released and take humanity down 30%. Mush of humanity gathers in cramped enclosures with bad air for much of their day. Spreading an aerosol on a couple airplanes would start a pandemic instantly. Even a natural agent like bird flu with no cure would act as a depopulation tool with aggressive application

Clearly something cheap and fast would be favored, before sentiment turns against extermination. And important people need shelter
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (5) Oct 29, 2013
In fact with religion it is a tool to build armies and expand empires
It is a tool for dividing the people up and turning them against each other in highly predictable and very destructive ways.
revolutions in East Europe are definitely smart enough to engineer a simple bioagent that could be aerosol released and take humanity down 30%
Not quite yet but soon enough. The fact that it is imminent means that it must not be allowed to happen by accident.

Obamacare comes at just the time when a few million casualties can be accommodated without ruining the economy. Notice the spate of zombie apocalypse media?
http://www.youtub...9sBjLKZg

Everybodys got assault rifles now, thanks to the antigunners. And the third woorld is being flooded with images of foul western decadence.
http://www.youtub...XJci6H7E

-Like I say the enemy has to be defined. Germany rained V-2s on britain just to remind them that nazis were worse than bolsheviks.
beleg
1 / 5 (2) Oct 30, 2013
Blowback is never detrimental if the blowback scenario chosen is the scenario actually taken.
Clapper's accusations is the blowback scenario his opponents correctly foresaw.
beleg
2 / 5 (4) Oct 31, 2013
Epilogue
For many the disappointment is great a mere sixteen agencies (twenty-two actually) have shown privacy or personal space is an illusion. One of the pillars of feeling secure is control.
The other pillar is privacy. With only one pillar of support the object of security topples.
The world's population now feels insecure. Global eavesdropping makes the world insecure.
Just the opposite of the asserted objective of making you or the world feel safer or secure.
beleg
1 / 5 (2) Nov 03, 2013
Everyone knows what happened to Bobby Fischer.
Bobby Fischer was needed to recognize Putin's move forbidding
Snowden`'s mouthpiece on Russian soil.
Well played.
I resign.