Low-wage fast-food jobs leave hefty tax bill, report says

Oct 16, 2013 by Kathleen Maclay
Low-wage fast-food jobs leave hefty tax bill, report says
Low-wage fast-food jobs leave hefty tax bill, report says.

The fast-food industry costs American taxpayers nearly $7 billion annually because its jobs pay so little that 52 percent of fast-food workers are forced to enroll their families in public assistance programs, according to a report released today (Tuesday, Oct. 15) by researchers at the University of California at Berkeley.

"The taxpayer costs we discovered were staggering," said Ken Jacobs, chair of UC Berkeley's Center for Labor Research and Education and coauthor of the . "People who work in jobs are paid so little that having to rely on public assistance is the rule, rather than the exception, even for those working 40 hours or more a week."

Fast food is a $200 billion-a-year industry. The median wage for core front-line at fast-food restaurants nationally is $8.69 an hour. Only 13 percent of the jobs provide health benefits.

The researchers found that the fast-food industry's low wages and meager benefits, often accompanied by part-time hours, combine to create substantial public-assistance needs, including:

  • Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program, $3.9 billion per year
  • Earned Income Tax Credit payments, $1.95 billion per year
  • The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or food stamps, $1.04 billion per year
  • Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, $82 million per year

The states where the fast-food industry's low wages cost U.S. taxpayers the most include California at $717 million, New York at $708 million, Texas at $556 million, Illinois at $368 million and Florida at $348 million. A breakdown of other states for which data are available is in the report, "Fast Food, Poverty Wages: The Public Cost of Low-Wage Jobs in the Fast-Food Industry."

"This is the public cost of low-wage jobs in America," said UC Berkeley economist Sylvia Allegretto, co-chair of the Center for Wage and Employment Dynamics. "The cost is public because taxpayers bear it. Yet it remains hidden in national policy debates about poverty, employment and public spending."

The researchers said families of front-line fast-food workers are enrolled in public programs at more than twice the rate of the overall workforce.

The report was funded by Fast Food Forward, a coalition of workers and labor, religious and community groups campaigning for higher wages and rights on the job for New York City fast-food workers.

Earlier this year, fast-food workers in 60 cities went on strike calling for higher pay so they could survive without having to rely on public assistance. They plan other actions this week.

The report also indicates that just 28 percent of core front-line fast-food workers regularly work 40 or more hours per week, compared to 75 percent of the country's workforce as a whole.

Researchers based their findings on an examination of only those federal programs that function as income supplements and of fast-food industry workers not in management positions who put in at least 10 hours a week for at least 27 weeks a year between 2007 and 2011.

Marc Doussard, one of the report's coauthors and an assistant professor of urban and regional planning at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, said the report also helps dispel the myth of fast-food workers as largely untrained teenagers. 

"More than two-thirds of core frontline fast-food workers across the country are over the age of 20, and 68 percent are the main wage earners in their families," Doussard said. "And more than a quarter of Americans working in fast-food restaurants are parents, raising at least one child."

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Primera
1.7 / 5 (12) Oct 16, 2013
Inaction via the Federal Governemnt, beyond what the Federal Reserve has accompished, to assist in economic gowth is a large part of the problem. Democrats want higher taxes and foster anti-business rhetoric. Republicans want to reduce governemnt spending: not the right time. Working age heads of household should not be working entry evel fast food jobs.
Milou
2.5 / 5 (21) Oct 16, 2013
Sounds like "Minimum wages" = "legalized robbery" and "CEO pay" = "excessive legalize robbery". Either way Capitalism = un-sustainability.
ryggesogn2
2.1 / 5 (30) Oct 16, 2013
""More than two-thirds of core frontline fast-food workers across the country are over the age of 20, and 68 percent are the main wage earners in their families," Doussard said. "And more than a quarter of Americans working in fast-food restaurants are parents, raising at least one child.""

Thanks to BHO and the Regulatory State that drives away work.
But this is what 'liberals' what, sheeple dependent upon them.
wiyosaya
1.7 / 5 (6) Oct 16, 2013
Sounds like "Minimum wages" = "legalized robbery" and "CEO pay" = "excessive legalize robbery". Either way Capitalism = un-sustainability.

I agree. The question is, what would work in its place?

It seems to me it would have to be a combination of the best of all systems, or something completely new.
ryggesogn2
2.1 / 5 (28) Oct 16, 2013
"The report also indicates that just 28 percent of core front-line fast-food workers regularly work 40 or more hours per week,"
Thanks to Obamacare, they won't work more than 29 hours.

ryggesogn2
2 / 5 (27) Oct 16, 2013
Sounds like "Minimum wages" = "legalized robbery" and "CEO pay" = "excessive legalize robbery". Either way Capitalism = un-sustainability.

I agree. The question is, what would work in its place?

It seems to me it would have to be a combination of the best of all systems, or something completely new.

Something new. It's called free market capitalism.
freethinking
2 / 5 (25) Oct 16, 2013
If you are need to work at a fast food joint to make a real living wage, you have more issues than being paid minimum wage. Most fast food workers are students learning valuable lessons. Perhaps government should be paying the owners of these joints for all the education they provide students.

Thanks to Obama now during the summer students who would work 40 hrs to pay for college won't be able to anymore. But hey Obamacare is just another notch in the continuing Progressive war on students, the poor, women, children, and minorities.
Thereminator
1.6 / 5 (19) Oct 16, 2013
Who f&*king cares? Just more cannon fodder for the socialist fanatics "forced egalitarian" agenda that will ensure everyone is equally poor,and that individual effort(the engine of Free enterprise)becomes a fruitless,meaningless endever. The mindless are killing this country.
Shootist
1.7 / 5 (22) Oct 16, 2013
Jesus H Christ! These jobs were never designed for people to "make a living" doing them. They are entry level jobs designed for students and retirees and people who want, or need additional income.

Had the economy been allowed to recover from the housing bubble and resulting recession, instead of being prolonged by the Obama administration, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the democrats are going to made as many citizens dependent upon the government as they can. Because that is the only way they will maintain electoral success.

The democrats have truly become the the party of the Patrón and Peon.
Feldagast
1.7 / 5 (17) Oct 17, 2013
They were complaining and wanted $15 an hour, so give it to them, can have only 3 people per shift and burgers will cost 20 bucks, when no one goes there anymore they will close and everyone will be out of a job.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (14) Oct 17, 2013
"Thanks to BHO and the Regulatory State that drives away work." - RyggTard

Libertarian/Randites like RyggTard were repeatedly told duing the 80's that their economic policies of shipping jobs to India and other lower wage nations would result in a race to the bottom in terms of Ameriacn Wages, workplace standards, environmental standards, health and safety standards, product standards, etc.

The Libertarian response was ....

1. Claiming that such questions made the person asking unpatriotic and anti-American.
2. Claiming that so called "American exceptionalism" would prevent such problems.
3. Claiming that the only jobs to be lost would be low wage jobs and the
best jobs would remain in America.
4. Claiming that Americans were the smartest people on earth and that while low skill
manufacturing should be outsourced so that the American Workforce could focus on
manufacturing Intellectual property.

VendicarE
3 / 5 (14) Oct 17, 2013
Now here we are 30 years later and LiberTarian/Randites like RyggTard are admitting that there is a race to the bottom in all manner of standards and wages, and claiming that those standards must be lowered in order for prevent Americans from being destroyed economically by the competition they claimed would cause no harm.

Every Libertarian/Randite economic policy ever tried has been a complete disaster for America.

The offshoring of American jobs to India and the Pacific Rim is most probably the most significant free market failure of them all.

Thirty million people are slaves, half in India: survey
http://ca.news.ya...875.html

RyggTard demands that American should become slaves in order to compete.
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (14) Oct 17, 2013
"They were complaining and wanted $15 an hour, so give it to them, can have only 3 people per shift and burgers will cost 20 bucks" - FenderTard

The last time I was at a McDonalds they served at least 200 sandwiches over an hour period, probably bringing in 1,600 per hour. Staffing cost were $100 per hour.

Doubling the wage scale would raise the cost of the average meal by 1/16th or about 50 cents.

Like most Conservatives FederTard is numerically illiterate.
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (15) Oct 17, 2013
"Jesus H Christ! These jobs were never designed for people to "make a living" doing them." - Shootist

Then you should have no problem with the workers requiring government assistance to survive.

Can you tell us why a Corporation should not be required to pay enough to maintain it's staff in the same way it pays enough to maintain the building it occupies, or the equipment it uses?

Why should Corporations be permitted to externalize the cost of maintaining it's workforce onto society?

Mayor__Dooley
2.2 / 5 (13) Oct 17, 2013
It's hardly suprising, the US is a corporate welfare state.
kochevnik
2.2 / 5 (15) Oct 17, 2013
Thanks to Obama now during the summer students who would work 40 hrs to pay for college won't be able to anymore.

"The report also indicates that just 28 percent of core front-line fast-food workers regularly work 40 or more hours per week"

When will FreeOfThinking learn to read?
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (10) Oct 17, 2013
"When will FreeOfThinking learn to read?" - Kochevnik

He don't need to do no readen, cause he just free thinks any reality he wants.
VendicarE
2.9 / 5 (14) Oct 17, 2013
"Something new. It's called free market capitalism." - RyggTard

And it doesn't pay a living wage.

Which means that it is parasitic on society which must maintain the corporate workforce.

Like Ryggtard and his Tea-Tard brothers and sisters, Free Market Capitalism is pure failure.

Osiris1
2 / 5 (16) Oct 17, 2013
Nice try living in fantasyland, Primera. With most low skill jobs exported to China, modern workers of non preferred ages are stuck with these junk jobs as the only plausible choices. Monopoly operations like the international slavemonger 'Yum Brands', owner of many fast food brands, have incorporated the availability of welfare for desperate employees into their greedy business models, thereby making there problem a local government problem. The solution is to tax those food outlets accordingly as to their footprint on the local welfare systems. Those parasites will not close, and if they did, the jobs 'lost' were never real jobs anyway. And in the unlikely event one DOES close, then the local health of the population will benefit....pointing out another footprint of fast food operations, the health care footprint. Fast food places generate health costs borne by local governments as well when poor customers get heart trouble, food poisoning from low qual food, etc.
VendicarE
2.7 / 5 (11) Oct 17, 2013
"Thanks to Obamacare, they won't work more than 29 hours." - RyggTard

Sorry TardieBoy, but there is no rule under the new health care act that requires fast food companies to reduce their total hours of their staff.

Doing so is the decision of the Corporation, not Obama.

Do you intend to remain a Moron for the rest of your life RyggTard?
VendicarE
2.2 / 5 (10) Oct 17, 2013
Well said Osiris. I gave you a 5.

RyggTard got his usual 1. Pity I can't vote in the negative.

He is mister negative.

VendicarE
2.8 / 5 (9) Oct 17, 2013
"Sounds like "Minimum wages" = "legalized robbery" " - Milou

You need to remember that in the U.S. the Republicans Tea-Tards, and Libertarians are fundamentally anti-American. Under the disguise of protecting "liberty", they oppose even the concept of a minimum wage, and work to keep it as low as possible in order to maximize corporate profits.

Isn't that right RyggTard?
antialias_physorg
3 / 5 (8) Oct 17, 2013
The fast-food industry costs American taxpayers nearly $7 billion annually because its jobs pay so little that 52 percent of fast-food workers are forced to enroll their families in public assistance programs

Intersting example how free market forces lead to reliance of companies on (hidden) subsidies to keep themselves afloat.

That's what trickle down economics (or 'piss on' economics, if you prefer) will lead to - no trickling down of profits to workers but attempts to let others pay for the wages for your workers.

It seems to me it would have to be a combination of the best of all systems

There's quite a few countries that manage to have such a combination. Having some rules (e.g. minimum wages) actually SAVES money for the people.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (23) Oct 17, 2013
Intersting example how free market forces lead to reliance of companies on (hidden) subsidies to keep themselves afloat.


What free market forces?
Minimum wage is not 'free market'.
antialias_physorg
3.4 / 5 (10) Oct 17, 2013
Minimum wages are designed to give people the means to live unaided. The current US minimum wage laws are only 'minimum wage' in name - as they allow companies to pay their employees wages that leave them in a situation where they can't survive without federal aid programs.
There's also quite a few exceptions to the minimum wage laws which allows employers to pay their emloyees even less - particularly small employers and tipped services. As long as there are easy ways around a law it's still full-blown 'free market'.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (21) Oct 17, 2013
Minimum wages are designed to give people the means to live unaided.

No, they are not.
They are designed to benefit unions and control competitors.
there are easy ways around a law it's still full-blown 'free market'.

It is not a free market when property rights are not protected.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (6) Oct 17, 2013
"What free market forces?" - RyggTard

The market forces that cause employers to pay their workers as little as possible.

Do you deny that these free market forces don't exist?

Or are you saying that the workers would be paid even less if government didn't already set standards for their pay?

Which is it TardieBoy?

VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (6) Oct 17, 2013
"Minimum wage is not 'free market'." - RyggTard

Very true, the Employers would pay employees even less if they could.

In some American states some employers actually pay their employees nothing and employees hope that they can make enough in tips to survive.

That is how corrupt and greedy American Capitalists are.
VendicarE
3.5 / 5 (6) Oct 17, 2013
"They are designed to benefit unions and control competitors. " - RyggTard

Perhaps on planet ConservaTard. But here on planet reality, minimum wage laws exist to provide workers with standards for minimum pay by employers.

Unions only enter into the picture if you are looking for Bat Shit Stupid excuses to explain the chronic failure of Free Market principles.

VendicarE
3.1 / 5 (7) Oct 17, 2013
"It is not a free market when property rights are not protected." - RyggTard

You say the stupidest things TardieBoy.

You must write your own scripts when you are drunk.

As for antialias, he thinks clearly and sees your treasonous nonsense and childish reasoning for the bat shit crazy mental disease that it is.

ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (21) Oct 17, 2013
"His primary motivation for the wage increase, however, was economic. Ford hoped to reduce the company's high turnover rate and retain its best employees. The increased cost of wages was offset by increased production and decreased training programs and other costs associated with hiring new employees. Furthermore, the wage increase provided Ford employees with enough money to purchase Ford automobiles, which further increased the company's sales.

However, some business leaders and journalists criticized Ford for what they perceived as social welfare policies; The Wall Street Journal wrote that he brought "biblical or spiritual principles into a field where they do not belong." In the end, Ford's business goals were realized and his wage increase had its intended effect: turnover declined sharply, and profits doubled to $60 million from $30 million from 1914 to 1916."
http://learning.b...ge/?_r=0
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (21) Oct 17, 2013
"Ford was able to pay higher wages only because it resulted in cost-cutting elsewhere. This resulted in increased productivity, which is the only way to raise the standard of living of a society.

It is not higher wages but greater capital investment in labor (new/better tools, machinery, etc.) that increases productivity.

We've had a substantial rise in productivity over the past four decades, but the associated rise in living standards has been stifled by the exponential rise in inflation that has occurred since going to a purely fiat currency in 1971. This is the real enemy that is destroying the middle class."
http://www.lasveg...um-wage/
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (22) Oct 17, 2013
"How is it that workers tend to receive higher wages as output increases? The key is profitability. When firms increase their profits, there are dual benefits to workers: (1) more and better products and services are sold to consumers, and (2) more funds are made available from retained earnings to pay workers and to improve tools, equipment, and training. When firms are successful, company officers aren't the only ones who benefit. Workers also receive higher wages and more services, including training, better equipment, and fringe benefits. The advantages of giving higher compensation are: (1) less job turnover, (2) better workers, and (3) higher incentives to work more productively.

Read more: http://www.fee.or...i1f99w00
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (8) Oct 17, 2013
"His primary motivation for the wage increase, however, was economic. Ford hoped to reduce the company's high turnover rate and retain its best employees." - RyggTard

Ford to transfer UK plant to Turkey

Ford has announced this morning the closure of its last vehicle manufacturing plant in the UK. The company is reportedly shutting down a van factory and shifting production to Turkey.

http://www.market...t-turkey

Offshoring of production and services to low-cost countries can harm the wages of workers with low skills back at home. That is the one of the findings of research by Daron Acemoglu, Gino Gancia and Fabrizio Zilibotti, presented at the Royal Economic Society's 2013 annual conference." - http://www.res.or...of8.html

It appears that now employees need to be concerned about the turnover rate of their employers.
VendicarE
3.1 / 5 (7) Oct 17, 2013
"How is it that workers tend to receive higher wages as output increases?" - RyggTard

Then why are American wages in decline over a period when Conservatives were claiming that the U.S. was the most productive nation on earth?

Ah.. Perhaps the reason is the word "tend".

U.S. workers endure 'lost decade' of declining wages

Read more here: http://www.mcclat...link=cpy

Poor RyggTard. Delusional as always.
VendicarE
3.1 / 5 (7) Oct 18, 2013
I would publicly like to thank RyggTard for doing his Tea-Tard best to destroy the Republican Party, Destroy America, and slitting his own throat.

He is doing the world a great service.

Republicans 'biggest losers' in shutdown aftermath

http://www.france...e-senate

Well played Tea-Tarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrds.
kochevnik
2.1 / 5 (11) Oct 18, 2013
@ryggie It is not a free market when property rights are not protected.
How is destroying the value of en education by shipping one's livelihood overseas not a violation of one's property rights, ryggie?
What free market forces? Minimum wage is not 'free market'.
Yes it is. Minimum wage is a measure of freedom against extortion. The employer has all the leverage. The worker has very little
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (20) Oct 18, 2013
shipping one's livelihood overseas not a violation of one's property rights,

Why would any business move a factory into a different country? Germans moved auto factories to the USA to lower the costs imposed by unions in Germany and to lower shipping costs, and, likely to lower import tariffs.
Same for Japanese companies building factories in the USA.
USA companies are motivated to move overseas, or other states, primarily due to govt mandated unions and regulatory costs.
Forced union membership, the regulatory state, minimum wage, are not the result of a free market.
The worker has very little

Ford doubled his daily wage because of worker leverage, they quit.
Wal Mart was offering $17/hr in ND because workers could make so much more working for oil companies.
kochevnik
2.2 / 5 (10) Oct 18, 2013
shipping one's livelihood overseas not a violation of one's property rights,

Why would any business move a factory into a different country? Germans moved auto factories to the USA to lower the costs imposed by unions in Germany and to lower shipping costs, and, likely to lower import tariffs.

So you agree with me that USA companies violated the values of worker's intellectual property, robbing them of their livelihoods? Isn't that a violation of workers property rights, ryggie?
The worker has very little

Ford doubled his daily wage because of worker leverage, they quit.
Wal Mart was offering $17/hr in ND because workers could make so much more working for oil companies.
For doubled wages because at the time Ford was interested in making a better product. Much of North Dakota has no housing, with workers living in motels and tents. Prices parallel Alaska to some degree
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (21) Oct 18, 2013
So you agree with me that USA companies violated the values of worker's intellectual property, robbing them of their livelihoods?

No, it was the US govt that violated the property rights of everyone with minimum wage laws, regulations, tariffs, trade restrictions, etc.
Many candy companies left the USA because sugar prices are artificially high in the US.
Ford was interested in making a better product.

And PROFITS, but he needed a trained and dedicated labor force to make a better product and PROFIT (gasp!).
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (21) Oct 18, 2013
"Bonnie Doon Ice Cream blames Obamacare for plant shutdown"
http://www.fox28....on-close
"Saving General Motors from bankruptcy was among President Obama's most frequently cited achievements when he ran for re-election last year. Democrats everywhere touted the company's revival as proof of the 2009 bailout's wisdom. That was then. Now, Obama has quietly released the auto manufacturer from a bailout requirement that it increase its production in the U.S. Instead, GM is spending billions of dollars building up its production capacity in ... China."
"It is yet more proof that Mitt Romney was right in the 2012 presidential campaign: GM should have gone through a traditional bankruptcy instead of the politicized farce of a taxpayer-funded bailout and government managed "bankruptcy." "
http://washington.../2537323
kochevnik
2.2 / 5 (10) Oct 18, 2013
So you agree with me that USA companies violated the values of worker's intellectual property, robbing them of their livelihoods?

No, it was the US govt that violated the property rights of everyone with minimum wage laws, regulations, tariffs, trade restrictions, etc.
And who lobbied the government? Why industrialists! So you lost your argument
Many candy companies left the USA because sugar prices are artificially high in the US.
Ford was interested in making a better product.

And PROFITS, but he needed a trained and dedicated labor force to make a better product and PROFIT (gasp!).
And then he sprayed them with machine guns
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (12) Oct 18, 2013
It is not a free market when property rights are not protected.
But in many countries workers are property as well.

"The Global Slavery Index, published by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation, lists India as the country with by far the most slaves, with an estimated nearly 14 million, followed by China (2.9 million) and Pakistan (2.1 million).

"The top 10 countries on its list of shame accounted for more than three quarters of the 29.8 million people living in slavery, with Nigeria, Ethiopia, Russia, Thailand, Democratic Republic of Congo, Myanmar and Bangladesh completing the list."

-In free markets, workers are a commodity. When supply exceeds demand, employers HAVE to pay them less or they will be run out of business by those who will.

And because the population tends to grow faster than markets do, an excess of labor is inevitable.

But in free markets workers are always property of some sort arent they ryggy? What property rights does property itself have?
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (7) Oct 18, 2013
"Bonnie Doon Ice Cream blames Obamacare for plant shutdown"

The first paragraph in RyggTard's link...

"Tuesday, FOX28 talked with owners of the Bonnie Doon plant and downtown Mishawaka location. They tell us there are many reasons for the shutdown such as the declining economy and the rise in production costs. But the number one factor? The anticipated cost of the Affordable Care Act."

So the only economic pressure to close was a declining economy and increase in production costs.

The number 1 factor that is mentioned is just theoretical. An "anticipated cost".

Further down the article it indicates that the plant isn't even effected by the new health care act.

"At Bonnie Doon, Carroll is far from 50 employees, but he knows he too will be affected by the health care changes."

But the plant employs less than 50 people. So the act doesn't apply to them.

Typical Faux news reporting. Lie in the headline.

And RyggTard fell for it - again - Tea Tards are so easily Manipulated.
VendicarE
2.8 / 5 (6) Oct 18, 2013
"GM is spending billions of dollars building up its production capacity in ... China." - RyggTard

Suddenly RyggTard is anti-Free Market.

What a Low Life, Randite, Buffoon.

VendicarE
2.8 / 5 (6) Oct 18, 2013
"it was the US govt that violated the property rights of everyone with minimum wage laws," - RyggTard

Just as they ban the property rights of everyone when the ban child prostitution, other forms of Child labour, and the production and sale of child pornography.

Don't children have property rights RyggTard? Aren't their bodies their property? Or are their bodies the property of someone else, and therefore slaves?

If children don't have property rights then how is your claim any more legitimate?

Poor RyggTard. He has faith that his Libertarian Clown Car universe is real, but the contradictions are so severe and his IQ so low that he can't bring himself to actually ponder the self deception in his own faith.

I bet that won't stop him from regurgitating more nonsense and dishonesty posted from random Tea-Tarder blogs, and Faux news.

Ignorant Filth.

VendicarE
Oct 18, 2013
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Captain Stumpy
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 19, 2013
fast-food workers in 60 cities went on strike calling for higher pay so they could survive without having to rely on public assistance.


actually, the thing I think is sad is that a fast food service worker around many places will make more than an EMT-Advanced

I know BK workers who make more than a cert. paramedic.
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (7) Oct 19, 2013
"I know BK workers who make more than a cert. paramedic." - Stumpy

Idiocy. Pure American Idiocy.
Lurker2358
2.4 / 5 (17) Oct 20, 2013
Something new. It's called free market capitalism.


I know you won't hear this, but that was already tried a long, long time ago, Rygg.

It lead to a handful of people owning everything and treating everyone else like slaves (even after slavery was abolished) and therefore led to the passage of anti-trust laws. One labor market in particular was in coal industry, where workers wer practically forced into what amounted to concentration camps, due to pathetically low wages and reliance on the employer for everything.

that's what "Free Market" does. It's anything but "Free".

It's why we have minimum wage laws and mandatory breaks and lunch breaks.

You easily spit upon people working in low wage jobs, but many people who graduate from college even end up in jobs like that, because they didn't find a job in the field they spend 4 years and tens of thousands of dollars studying.

Rygg, where do you magically invent a couple million "middle income" jobs?
Lurker2358
2 / 5 (16) Oct 20, 2013
Rygg:

You think it's all Obama's fault, but keep in mind the recession actually started under Bush, and indeed people who did taxes or accounting saw signs of it as early as 2006.

It is not Obama's fault, nor is it caused by Obamacare; that's another issue anyway. This recession was caused in large part by the Bush administration over-spending on wars in all the wrong places, using all the wrong strategies, which devalued the dollar and drove up U.S. debts to insane levels. When you spend 600 billion dollars per year on military for 10 years in a row, that starts to sting in the "wallet".

When the stocks bubble burst it devalued everyone's income from all the people who lost their jobs, and lost their homes, which decreased the revenues of the government, which drove the deficits up even higher.

Anyway, you can't magically invent a million "median income" jobs. When people can't have their first choice, they end up working in whatever is available.
Lurker2358
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 20, 2013
Moreover, the Jobs did not go away because of Obama care. The jobs went away from 1 to 2 years before the end of Bush's term.

You've been told this any number of times, but you still try to deceive people on this site.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if the dollar tanked. I wouldn't lose anything, lol.

So I'd be on "equal terms" when whatever new system replaces it. In fact, I own a very small piece of land that is approximately worth zero in the existing economics. Perhaps if the Dollar tanked, that piece of land would be worth something.

I'm in favor of abolishing the Dollar, and adopting a currency based on Energy consumption, since the Joule is both the basic unit of energy, and the basic unit of mass, which in turn means all matter and all "services," then currency should be tied to the Joule, not irrational things like shiny metals or paper bills.

I'm sure someone would find a way to abuse that system and hoard wealth for themselves, but at least it'd be a healthy reset for now
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (16) Oct 20, 2013
signs of it as early as 2006.

2006, that's when the democracts took over Congress.
that was already tried a long, long time ago,

When?
where do you magically invent a couple million "middle income" jobs

That's the problem you socialists have, you don't understand how markets work. How jobs are created. How wealth is created.
you can't magically invent a million "median income" jobs

But socialists can destroy millions of median income job quite easily and have been doing so for decades.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (16) Oct 20, 2013
Socialists claim to be 'progressive' but when the industrial revolution created real progress among the masses and enabled the creation of middle class of people that had political power and no longer needed to be serfs.
Instead of celebrating such liberty, socialists took that power to control returning the people to serfdom.
This is why Hyak called his book The Road to Serfdom.
I you want to increase the size of middle class, oppose socialism.
arq
1 / 5 (2) Oct 20, 2013
No minimum wage means no middle class you i***t.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
The minimum wage is classified as 'middle class'?
With a minimum wage, employers can't afford to hire the unskilled who need to learn how to work.
How will the unskilled ever learn how to work if they can't be employed?
If they can't be employed they will never learn the skills needed by employers to increase productivity, which leads to the increased profits to pay higher salaries creating a middle class.
A minimum wage destroys the middle class.
"No employer could long pay a worker more than the value he produced for the firm. That's why economic theory and empirical observation tell us that an enforced minimum wage destroys jobs, degrades the quality of other jobs, and prevents new jobs from being created."
http://fff.org/ex...nerable/

""Poverty" pays better than middle-class employment"
http://www.humane...loyment/
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 20, 2013
Is the 'middle class' arg refers to?

"When a leftist talks about the middle class, he means someone who has a job and depends on government benefits. The desired outcome is the fusion of paycheck and welfare check; takers who are also makers. This allows the collectivist to harvest two types of power from the same vast group of people: confiscation of income through taxation, and direct control through the manipulation of government benefits. "
http://www.humane...loyment/
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (6) Oct 20, 2013
Socialists claim to be 'progressive' but when the industrial revolution created real progress among the masses and enabled the creation of middle class of people that had political power and no longer needed to be serfs.
Instead of celebrating such liberty, socialists took that power to control returning the people to

Actually it was most worthwhile jobs being exported, and free money given to a small cabal who are buying up what is left of the American economy, and then rent it out to the serfs who cannot afford immensely overpriced housing
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 20, 2013
"Today, one out of four French university graduates wants to emigrate, "and this rises to 80 per cent or 90 per cent in the case of marketable degrees","
"French unions see as their main goal the preservation of the status quo: from overprotective labour laws that make it so hard to fire employees that French bosses will do almost anything to avoid hiring new staff (who cost them a whopping 70 per cent in payroll taxes), to perpetuating antiquated regulations dating back to Vichy France, banning Sunday trading and evening shifts. "
http://www.telegr...age.html
Why is this any different from every other socialist state?
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
BHO screws taxpayers, again:
"The last auto loan the Energy Department sold off — a $50 million loan to the Vehicle Production Group — netted taxpayers a $42 million loss.

"The Obama administration has gotten into the business of picking winners and losers at a significant cost to taxpayers," said South Dakota Sen. John Thune. "From Fisker and Vehicle Production Group, to the Chinese-owned A123, this administration should not be making questionable investments with the American people's hard-earned money."

Read more: http://dailycalle...iHmjpW1S
arq
3.7 / 5 (6) Oct 20, 2013
Without a minimum wage, who is gonna stop the employers from paying employees peanuts if they want to?

Pressure2
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 20, 2013
Without a minimum wage, who is gonna stop the employers from paying employees peanuts if they want to?


Exactly right, their would not be much difference between those paying jobs and slavery.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 20, 2013
Without a minimum wage, who is gonna stop the employers from paying employees peanuts if they want to?


Competitors and employees.
Ford doubled the daily wage to $5.00 and cut work hours to improve productivity and profits in 1914. I'm bet he attracted workers from competitors who would be forced to match those wages.
If a minimum wage costs more than the job, how will the unemployed obtain a job? 'Liberals' don't care since the unemployed are another dependency group for them.
Pressure2
3.8 / 5 (4) Oct 20, 2013
Rygg2 seems to think rules and regulations should apply only to individuals and companies will behave without them, he is very naive.

What he doesn't realize is he and his kind created most of the problems that created the needs these people face.

He doesn't think the government should pay for a woman"s birth control or abortions.
If he was smart he would realize having the taxpayers pay for a woman's abortion would be returned 100 to 1 in future benefits to those very same taxpayers.

He also doesn't know what really created the large middle class in the Western World. It was the 80 to 90% income tax rate started during the Second World War and not reduce drastically until Reagan. How it help created the vast middle class is quite simple, the rich ruling class found it to their benefit to pay their employees better and give them health insurance along with pension rather the give old Uncle Sam 80% of their income over a certain amount.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
What he doesn't realize is he and his kind created most of the problems that created the needs these people face.


It is the socialist policies in France that are driving people to find work outside of France.
It is socialist policies in California, Detroit, Greece, etc. that are forcing people out of work.

axpayers pay for a woman's abortion would be returned 100 to 1 in future benefits to those very same taxpayers.

Murder all the children before they are born and there will be NO taxpayers.
It was the 80 to 90% income tax rate

That NO one paid. Which is why tax revenues, money into the treasury, increased AFTER JFK reduced RATES.
"When tax rates are reduced, the economy's growth rate improves and living standards increase. "
"...an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits" JFK
http://www.herita...rical-le
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
"According to President John F. Kennedy:

Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits… In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now."
http://www.herita...ax-rates
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
"The Kennedy tax cuts

Just as happened in the 1920s, the share of the income tax burden borne by the rich increased following the tax cuts. Tax collections from those making over $50,000 per year climbed by 57 percent between 1963 and 1966, while tax collections from those earning below $50,000 rose 11 percent. As a result, the rich saw their portion of the income tax burden climb from 11.6 percent to 15.1 percent."
"Lower tax rates are important, but they are not the only critical issue. Both the level of government spending and where that money goes are very important."
http://www.herita...ax-rates
Unfortunately, after tax RATE reductions, and corresponding tax REVENUE increases, the 'liberals' just increased the number of socialist programs to spend the increased revenues on.
Even Sweden eliminated its tax on wealth to encourage rich Swedes to return.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
give them health insurance

During the WWII, employers were BANNED by the socialist FDR govt from offering HIGHER wages to attract workers, but they could offer benefits like health care and pensions to attract workers.
Businesses could deduct the benefit costs from taxes, too, but NOT private individuals paying for their own health care.
Conservatives have promoted such deductions but have been opposed by 'liberals'.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
"As part of its efforts to provide a "living wage" for all Americans, Congress passed a law to step up the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour across all U.S. states and territories by 2009.[iii] Understanding that such a law would devastate American Samoa by raising canning costs past the point where the companies could maintain profitability, the non-voting Samoan member of the U.S. House of Representatives convinced Congress to allow an exemption for the islands. However, Republicans raised allegations that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, in whose district both Chicken of the Sea and StarKist had corporate offices, had caved to pressure from big donors and was allowing the continued "exploitation" of Samoan workers. Facing a sticky political situation, the exemption was removed."

Read more: http://www.busine...iIjchE8Q
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
"By imposing an artificially high minimum wage on American Samoa, without taking into account actual economic conditions on the islands, Washington essentially decided that it was better to have no one working there than have thousands of people working for wages that the politicians felt were substandard.

Meanwhile, just as the minimum wage is destroying jobs in American Samoa, it is destroying jobs here on the mainland."
"Among the unintended consequences of congressional "benevolence" are rapidly rising consumer prices, due to the higher shipping costs now necessary to bring consumer goods to the islands."

Read more: http://www.busine...iIkTIoLs
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
"Pili says the Federal shutdown in the United States will have a devastating effect on the territory's economy, especially if the budget impasse in Washington is not solved soon.

Mr Pili says Governor Lolo M. Moliga met senior officials this morning to discuss the implications of the shutdown.

He says the Territory received 87 per cent of its funding from Washington."
http://www.radioa.../1199132

"Governor Lolo Matalasi Moliga says the resurgence of the fisheries industry is a positive indicator that the American Samoa economy may be headed in the right direction.

But he says in order to make this industry competitive, it will be necessary for government to join forces with Congressman Faleomavaega Eni Hunkin to REVERSE THE MINIMUM WAGE and to provide federal incentives."
http://www.rnzi.c...id=77831
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
"According to a new report from the United States General Accountability Office (GAO), the 19 percent decline in employment in the workforce that American Samoa has experienced since 2008 was in large part the result of imposing minimum hourly wages across various industries. The island's primary industry is tuna fish canning, with major employers Chicken of the Sea closing and Starkist announcing huge layoffs. In 2008 the number of workers in the canneries was slightly more than 19,000 but has since fallen to 15,400."
"What is even more astonishing is that, despite minimum wage laws, earning overall for American Samoans has fallen. "For the period from 2006 to 2009, average inflation-adjusted earnings fell by 11 percent. This resulted from a rise in average annual earnings of about 5 percent while local prices rose by about 18 percent,"
http://www.acton....an-samoa
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
"Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren asking why the minimum wage is not $22 an hour."
{Warren was a Harvard professor who lied about being an American Indian}
"as of last month the average hourly wage in the U.S. is $23.82. "
"raising the minimum wage increases the wages of the few at the expense of the many. "
http://blog.acton...our.html
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
""People earning only the minimum wage today in the United States are usually stuck there because they have relatively little to contribute in the way of specific skills, expertise, or training; that is, their labor productivity is low." "
" both minimum-wage workers in the US and those in poverty across the globe, is that "people everywhere enhance their earning potential when they increase their own human capital in ways that have worth to others.""
http://blog.acton...age.html
It won't be long before McDonald's will be operated by machines if they are forced to pay a higher minimum wage.
VendicarE
4 / 5 (5) Oct 20, 2013
"Without a minimum wage, who is gonna stop the employers from paying employees peanuts if they want to?" - arq

Competition for labor. But given that employers in some areas already pay their employees nothing, there is no way that the competition will keep wages from plummeting to near subsistence levels. Where many American Jobs are today.

Of course if you employer can somehow have you compete against low wage labor from third world nations then you will be forced to work for third world wages.

VendicarE
4 / 5 (5) Oct 20, 2013
"Ford doubled the daily wage to $5.00 and cut work hours to improve productivity and profits in 1914" - RyggTard

Is that why Ford is currently moving jobs overseas for the purpose of lowering wage costs?

Are you saying that Ford was brighter than Ford?

ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 20, 2013
""More than two-thirds of core frontline fast-food workers across the country are over the age of 20, and 68 percent are the main wage earners in their families," Doussard said. "And more than a quarter of Americans working in fast-food restaurants are parents, raising at least one child.""

Why no research to show WHY the economy is so bad? Because they are socialists who want a bad economy.
VendicarE
4.4 / 5 (5) Oct 20, 2013
"little to contribute in the way of specific skills, expertise, or training; that is, their labor productivity is low." - RyggTard

What is the productivity of a CEO who doesn't actually produce anything?

Why are they often paid thousands of times what their truly productive employees earn?

kochevnik
2.6 / 5 (10) Oct 20, 2013
What is the productivity of a CEO who doesn't actually produce anything?
Most CEOs aren't paid for productivity. They're paid a bribe to not fuck things up extremely. With stock options, CEOs make much more money through insider trading and timing the stock market then working on the company itself. Now stock dividends are at a historical high as nobody wants to invest in US companies. They are just chess pieces to be played and discarded along with their employees
Pressure2
4 / 5 (5) Oct 20, 2013
Rygg2 nowhere did I mention aborting all the fetuses only the one a woman chooses NOT to have and cannot afford to abort. The payback is 100 to 1! Get Smart!

Kennedy did reduce the top income tax rate but it was Reagan who gutted it and than turn around and raised taxes 8 times mostly on the middle class.

You are right no one paid those high 80 to 90% income tax rates they gave it to their employees! Wise up! It raised wages in all industries, there was competition to get and keep the best workers. Where is your competitive spirit?

Haven't you noticed what has happen to the middle class in this country since Reagan was president? It has been going down the toilet ever since. These low top income tax rates were even a factor in sending good paying jobs overseas. Wake Up, come out of the Middle Ages and into the 21st century!

Pressure2
3 / 5 (4) Oct 20, 2013
Rygg2, it seems to me you were born in the wrong century, wouldn't the Feudal Land Owners system of the middle ages suit you better?

Yes and how about a the Black Plague, that's a nice way to control population also don't you think?

Something you have never come to terms with is we live on a FINITE planet which has FINITE resources. And the total population can only grow at a FINITE rate as we make improvements at a FINITE rate.

Oh, and I don't want to hear about going out and living in space. I think this earth is the best place mankind will ever find and I want to stay right here, thank you.

boater805
1 / 5 (10) Oct 20, 2013
What absolute and unmitigated garbage. Low-wage fast-food jobs cost taxpayers $7billion ???
There is nothing in the law, morality, nor logic that makes any employer responsible for anything related to an employee other than paying the agreed wage and benefits and complying with the law. If an employee is murdered 4 hours after getting off work in a crack house across town from their home, the employer is NOT responsible for the murder.
If 52% of low-wage employees take gov't benefits that the gov't decides to give them then the employers have SAVED the gov't $6.45 billion in benefits NOT paid the the 48% of such workers that do not receive those benefits. That is the truth of the matter.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 20, 2013
"Haven't you noticed what has happen to the middle class in this country since Reagan was president?" - Pressure2

Reagan's war on the middle class is all to clear. To get his massive tax cuts for the wealthy he also cut taxes on the poor. They essentially matched a 10% trillion dollar reduction in taxes on the wealthy with a 5% reduction 10 million reduction for the poor, and stuck the middle class with the bill for both.
Pressure2
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 20, 2013
The reason I think the earth is the best place mankind will ever find is because it is the earth that created us through by the process of evolution. And the best part of that creation was womankind!

And don't think nature is not helping us control our population right now? For countries NOT doing it by government paid birth control programs and abortions the population it is being controlled by starvation, diseases and WAR. Oh, you don't believe it? Just take a look at the Middle East and in many third world countries. It would soon be happening even in this country if Rygg2 and his kind had their way!

ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (18) Oct 20, 2013
You are right no one paid those high 80 to 90% income tax rates they gave it to their employees!

There are 'liberals' here who assert this is a science site and complain when economics and politics are discussed.
Yet when economic and politics ARE discussed, it is the 'liberal' that cannot provide data to support their faith in socialism.
Feudal Land Owners system of the middle ages suit you better?

You don't get it, feudalism IS the socialist objective. That is why Hayek's bood is called The Road to Serfdom. He shows how socialists of all parties are returning the world to feudalism.
e live on a FINITE planet which has FINITE resources.

Now it comes out. You don't understand how wealth is created. A typical problem for socialists.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (19) Oct 20, 2013
"The poverty rate started increasing in 1978, eventually climbing by an astounding 33%, from 11.4% to 15.2%. A fall in real median family income that began in 1978 snowballed to a decline of almost 10% by 1982. In addition, from 1968 to 1982, the Dow Jones industrial average lost 70% of its real value, reflecting an overall collapse of stocks."
"The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months."
"Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989."
http://www.forbes...gures/2/
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (19) Oct 20, 2013
"The U.S. economy in the 1950s and 1960s benefited greatly from its temporary postwar position as the world's dominant industrial producer. That, along with a constrained labor supply from the 1930s baby bust and from war casualties, produced huge income gains for workers. "
"When it comes down to it, "middle-out" economics seems little more than a mildly clever rebranding of pre-Clinton, Democratic economics: high taxes, protectionism, and industrial policy all held together by boomer nostalgia for the '50s and '60s. It's the familiar leftist dream of redistribution over wealth creation. "
http://www.aei.or...onomics/
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (19) Oct 20, 2013
These low top income tax rates were even a factor in sending good paying jobs overseas.

What?
If the govt A is going to take 90% of my income, profits, etc, and govt B will only take 30%, where would you live?
Sweden ended its wealth tax because their rich moved out.
The US has a high capital gains tax, high income taxes and a stagnant and declining economy.
That is not a coincidence.
"In 2012, Canada will collect about 1.9 percent of GDP in federal corporate income tax revenues with a 15 percent tax rate. The United States will collect about 1.6 percent of GDP with a 35 percent tax rate. Do we need any more evidence that our high corporate tax rate makes no sense?"

Read more: http://dailycalle...iJQNRLcm
Pressure2
2.6 / 5 (5) Oct 20, 2013
Rygg2, you really don't get it do you? Feudalism IS unfettered capitalism!

The low collection rates on corporate taxes has little to do with the tax rate itself. It is all about loopholes corporate lobbyist had their dupes in congress insert over the years.

Tax rates in Sweden are still much higher that in the US. Taxes in Sweden take about 50% of their GDP.

As for moving jobs overseas, here again you just don't get it. If I own a plant in the US where my employees make $25 dollars and hour my top tax rate is 50% but it would go to 75% if I moved the plant it overseas where I would only have to pay my employees a $1 and hour but managing the plant in a far away place It just might not be worth the extra headaches would it?

Gees, look at it this way if we still had a top income tax rate of 75% companies in the US would still be giving their employees pensions and health care and Obama care wouldn't be needed then, would it?
djr
3.4 / 5 (8) Oct 20, 2013
Ryggy says "Yet when economic and politics ARE discussed, it is the 'liberal' that cannot provide data"

Ryggy also says - "The US has a high capital gains tax, high income taxes"

Well - I did a little googling - and all the information I found says that the U.S. does NOT have high income taxes. Here is one site I found - http://www.busine...s-2013-1

A nice quote - "In fact, America is a relatively LOW-tax country, when compared to almost all other developed countries in the world."

Maybe Ryggy could stop spamming the internet - and do some reading.
Pressure2
3 / 5 (4) Oct 20, 2013
As for the wealthy moving out of Sweden because of a wealth tax, or France because of their high income tax rates, let them. A wealth tax and an income tax are not the same thing, if the they move out they still have to pay income taxes on the money made in the country they are doing business in. The cure to that is an even higher corporate income tax rate so when they move out they can take VERY little profits out of the country.
djr
3.5 / 5 (8) Oct 20, 2013
ryggy says - ""The Obama administration has gotten into the business of picking winners and losers at a significant cost to taxpayers,"

It is interesting how Ryggy takes an article about low wage fast food jobs - and ignorantly turns it into a hate on President Obama thread. One may wonder why Ryggy has such an obsession with hating President Obama. Of course the reality of that issue is that racist Ryggy and his racist little toadies cannot stomach the fact that we have the first African American president in the White House. So Ryggy has to turn every comments thread into a hate thread on President Obama. You may notice that no mention is made of the solyndra loan - made under President Bush. No hating on President Bush for exactly the same behavior - but the reason for the one sided morality is obvious.
VendicarE
4.7 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
"If the govt A is going to take 90% of my income, profits, etc, and govt B will only take 30%, where would you live?" - RyggTard

If I make $1.00 a year in country B but $100 in country A then I'd live in country A all I valued was money. Otherwise quality of life has to be factored in.

Is money all you Value TardieBoy?

How many dollars of love do you have for your country, your wife, your children?

How about you start answering the questions people ask you?

Too afraid that you might need to think to answer them?
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
"The US has a high capital gains tax" - RyggTard

Liar, Liar... Pants on Fire....

http://taxfoundat...011-oecd

Why is it that you are regularly caught lying TardieBoy?
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
"In 2012, Canada will collect about 1.9 percent of GDP in federal corporate income tax revenues with a 15 percent tax rate. The United States will collect about 1.6 percent of GDP with a 35 percent tax rate." - RyggTard

The table I provided shows Canada's rate is 22.5 percent. Not 15 percent.
VendicarE
4.7 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
"The U.S. economy in the 1950s and 1960s benefited greatly from its temporary postwar position as the world's dominant industrial producer. " - American Enterprise Institute quoted by RyggTard

Correct. It was never American business acumen that put the U.S. on top of the worlds industrial producers, it was lack of competition from countries that were reduced to ashes during WW1 and WW2.

And as competition has increased, America is now increasingly seen to be incapable of competing on the world stage because it never could compete on the world stage without the other nations being crippled by war.

ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 21, 2013
Feudalism IS unfettered capitalism!

Fudealism is socialism. The state owns/controls all.
if we still had a top income tax rate of 75%

RATES and REVENUES are not the same.
Socialists still can't make that connections.
But then how can a disciple of Paul Ehrlich understand how wealth is created?
higher corporate income tax rate so when they move out they can take VERY little profits out of the country.

They why would any company do any business is such a state?
Tax all the US profits of Toyota and why would Toyota sell cars or make cars in the US?
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
"The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990." - RyggTard quoting Forbes

Reagan borrowed over 2 trillion in current dollars over that period, and that borrowed money kept the U.S. economy growing Reagan's tenure.

Over that period the U.S. economy became habituated on that government stimulus, and over time it's stimulating effects were lost, and economic recessions returned.

All through that period, Conservatives were denying that the massive Reagan Deficits were a problem, and morons like Rush Limbaugh hailed them as the Genius of Republican Economics that had "repealed the business cycle."

Traitors.

VendicarE
4 / 5 (4) Oct 21, 2013
"There are 'liberals' here who assert this is a science site and complain when economics and politics are discussed." - RyggTard

In the years you have been here posting your tea-tard Idiocy, you have never engaged in a debate.

You are incapable of debating.

You have never even answered a single question that has been put to you.

And like all Republicans you have shown yourself to be a habitual liar.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 21, 2013
Minimum wage laws have destroyed the economy of American Samoa making them wards of the socialist state.
The data is clear.
No comment from the socialists who demand higher minimum wage laws therefore they must know the objective of minimum wage laws is to force workers into becoming wards of the state and anyone else who is still employed to be serfs to the socialist state.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
"Most CEOs aren't paid for productivity." - Kochevnic

Correct.

ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 21, 2013
"The opposition, backed by businesses, says one way to help non-oil businesses would be to cut the nation's wealth tax, especially on working capital, because it's hindering small business from growing.

According to Ulstein, who's also chairman of shipbuilder Ulstein Group ASA, taxes have become so high that many owners have to sell their businesses in order to finance payments. "
""One of the big issues as owners we see in Norway is the wealth tax, which is not stimulating ownership, and is especially tough for entrepreneurs and early-starters." "
http://www.bloomb...ner.html
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (18) Oct 21, 2013
"Sweden does have high taxes. Government revenues were 49% of GDP in 2011. (In the U.S., they were 32% of GDP, including federal, state, and local governments.) But Sweden gets that revenue from everyone, not just "the rich." The top 10% of income earners in Sweden made 26.6% of all income, and they paid 26.7% of all taxes, for a ratio of 1.00 -- perfectly flat. In the U.S., the ratio was 1.35, the most progressive of all advanced economies."
"When Sweden's government was the biggest spender, its economy totally stalled: zero growth for five years. What grew was its debt. And even with extremely high taxes, it ran huge deficits.

Then it changed its high-spending ways. It cut spending, drastically, and over an extended period of time -- going on 18 years now.

Keynesians tell us that cutting government spending will slow economic growth. The exact opposite happened with Sweden."
http://www.americ...ity.html
VendicarE
5 / 5 (5) Oct 21, 2013
Regarding American Samoa...

"Chicken of the Sea closed its operations in the Territory, displacing over 2,000 workers whose jobs were outsourced to Thailand where workers are paid 75 cents and less per hour to clean fish," - Eni Faleomavaega - Delegate to Congress

Yup. The action by Chicken of the Sea shows that without restrictions, corporations want wages in the 75 cents an hour or less range.

Isn't that right TardieBoy?
VendicarE
5 / 5 (5) Oct 21, 2013
"The opposition, backed by businesses, says one way to help non-oil businesses would be to cut the nation's wealth tax, especially on working capital, because it's hindering small business from growing." - RyggTard quoting a Conservative looking for money.

What RyggTard doesn't report - from his own link.

The Conservatives have proposed cutting the wealth tax to 0.5 percent from 1.1 percent and raising the threshold to 25 million kroner ($4.1 million) from 870,000 kroner.

Only 0.4 of that 1.1 is a federal tax.

So a Norwegian millionaire takes his money, put's it in a bank and gets 3 percent interest, and then has to pay 1.1 percent in tax on his millions.

He still comes out 1.9 percent ahead.

What a poor Rich guy. He isn't making money as fast as he could.

That makes RyggTard Cry.

VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
"Keynesians tell us that cutting government spending will slow economic growth." - RyggTard

No it doesn't, you MORON.

There is no clear, simple relationship that tiny minds like yours can understand.

You might as well try and argue that spending money makes you fat because people use money to purchasing food.

Government spending may or may not improve the economy, through all scales of magnitude, and that depends on how and when it is spent.

Typical Idiot RyggTard.

You need to learn some economics before you start mumbling nonsense about things you don't understand.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
"Fudealism is socialism. The state owns/controls all." - RyggTard

There is no "state" under Feudelism. Fool.

The classic François-Louis Ganshof version of feudalism describes a set of reciprocal legal and military obligations among the warrior nobility, revolving around the three key concepts of lords, vassals and fiefs.

Do you intend to remain a MORON for the rest of your life RyggTard?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 21, 2013
They're paid a bribe to not fuck things up extremely.

BHO is not getting paid enough?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 21, 2013
unfettered capitalism

Oxymoronic.
Capitalism is ALWAYS 'fettered' by competition and customers.
When cronies beg, bribe favors from the state to force customers to buy from them (sugar price subsidies) and/or when the state forces competitors out of business with onerous regulations (Obamacare), then capitalism no longer exists and the state controls markets (socialism).
arq
2.3 / 5 (3) Oct 21, 2013
@ryggesogn2


Competitors will only pay more if there is a shortage of skilled or semi skilled workers. Not when there is no shortage of semi or unskilled workers. And there is not exactly a shortage of workers who can work in the fast food industry. You are right about employees though..... they will try to stop....thats how unions arose. But you dont like them. So if you take away unions its left to the employers alone.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (14) Oct 21, 2013
And there is not exactly a shortage of workers who can work in the fast food industry.

Why not?

If socialists would spend more time worrying about WHY the ONLY jobs are fast food, maybe the fast food industry would find it had a shortage of labor.
But socialist are more concerned about control, power, than about individual liberty, individual prosperity and a growing economy.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (14) Oct 21, 2013
"Looking at things as they are is not racist, and acknowledging class division does not make one in Leninist. Morrill is a Swedish-style traditional social democrat, who did his post-graduate work at Sweden's prestigious Lund University. You also simply cannot rule out cultural factors – such as family, religion, belief in education, as well as belief in self-sufficiency – as key determinants in individual, as well as regional, economic equality."
"This growing inequality, with its racial connotations, is fundamentally socially unsustainable. Yet how to restart upward mobility remains a difficult proposition. Progressives might shout loudest about inequality, but their economic policies have failed to produce either upward mobility or greater equality.

Indeed, under the current liberal regime, the prospects for the poor and working class have decreased markedly while the wealthy, often villainized by the administration, have luxuriated. "
http://www.ocregi...equality
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (14) Oct 21, 2013
"racial economic disparities are mostly unchanged or are growing. The black unemployment rate remains more than double the white jobless rate and reaches 40 percent among black youth.

A debate is needed now about what policies best promote upward mobility. Some combination of encouraging broader-based economic growth and nurturing fundamental values of education, family and social engagement arguably offers the best approach. It is a message likely neither political party particularly wants to hear, but it's one they need to acknowledge and confront.

Register opinion columnist Joel Kotkin is R.C. Hobbs Professor of Urban Studies at Chapman University. He is the executive editor of www.newgeography.com."
http://www.ocregi...ell.html
For those 'progressives' using Scandinavia as your role model, will you acknowledge the importance of its culture?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (15) Oct 21, 2013
"Many liberals celebrate diversity in any form, and tend to reject the importance of culture in economic success. " from OC Register
Unless, of course, the culture is Jewish.
arq
1 / 5 (2) Oct 21, 2013
@ryggesogn2,
Fast food industry depends mostly on workers who are low skilled. That means there will never be a shortage of them in any country as companies can easily train people to work in the fast food industry. Thats why there will never be a shortage of them. Thats why competition from other companies for workers wont make a difference unlike what you said.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (14) Oct 21, 2013
Thats why there will never be a shortage of them.

Yes, there will and have been.
During the telecom boom in the north east, in the 90s, it was reported McDs was offering $9/hr and why Wal Mart was offering $17/hr in North Dakota.

McDonalds in Williston, ND:
Position:
Crew

Hours: 7am to 4pm

Pay: $11.00 - $12.00D.O.E.
Crew Openers

Pay: $12.00 and up D.O.E.
http://www.mcstat...24/4707/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (15) Oct 21, 2013
"Nearly anywhere else in the country, people can't find jobs. In North Dakota, jobs can't find people.

How hard is it to hire Walmart employees? Turns out, plenty.

A new store in Mandan, North Dakota, needs 300 employees trained and ready for a Fall opening. The problem? The town's population is only 18,000.

Even considering the additional 62,000 people across the river in Bismarck, it's still difficult. One reason -- Bismarck already has two Walmart stores. Another is the smoking hot North Dakota economy where "help wanted" and "now hiring" signs are in already in abundant supply. "It is quite the task ahead of us," says Andrew Coppersmith, Store Manager for the new Walmart store in Mandan."
"Walmart says they're competitive with an average pay in North Dakota at more than $14 dollars an hour. So if you're ready, they're willing. "
http://www.kxnet....ew-store
$14! minimum is $7.25.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (16) Oct 21, 2013
"Almost 6 million young people are neither in school nor working, according to a study released Monday." http://bigstory.a...l-work-0
But 'liberals' want to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants and import millions more.

In the mean time, we are told, truck farmers around the country are complaining they can't find people to harvest their crops.

In 1934 my grandfather and his new bride drove 9 days in a Model T from SD to WA to look for work, and he found it.
kochevnik
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 21, 2013
"Nearly anywhere else in the country, people can't find jobs. In North Dakota, jobs can't find people.

How hard is it to hire Walmart employees? Turns out, plenty.
Because nobody wants to be homeless in North Dakota
PeterParker
1.6 / 5 (13) Oct 21, 2013
"Almost 6 million young people are neither in school nor working, according to a study released Monday." _ RyggTard

That's what you get when you vote for a Republican Moron likw Goeorge Bush Jr

It was his Economic Incompetence that caused the current economic Amerifailure.
PeterParker
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 21, 2013
"A new store in Mandan, North Dakota, needs 300 employees trained and ready for a Fall opening. The problem? The town's population is only 18,000." - RyggTard

18,000 means an employable population of around 8,000 people.

If the unemployment rate is 5% then that represents 400 people who might be out of work.

But it is probable that no one wants to work for the amount walmart is paykng...
arq
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 22, 2013
@ryggesogn2,


I never said there never was, i said there will never be.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 22, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "Fudealism is socialism. The state owns/controls all."

You cannot even get this straight. In a democratic socialist state the PEOPLE own and control all. Under feudalism ONE person owns and controls everything. It is the end result of unregulated pure capitalism.

Look at it this way, does your feudal landlord supply you with food or medical care in your time of need or in your old age. NO WAY.
Pressure2
not rated yet Oct 22, 2013
higher corporate income tax rate so when they move out they can take VERY little profits out of the country.

Quote Rygg2: "They why would any company do any business is such a state?
Tax all the US profits of Toyota and why would Toyota sell cars or make cars in the US?"

You have a severe problem in comprehension. You do know the difference between moving in and moving out don't you?
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (12) Oct 22, 2013
he PEOPLE own and control all.

Really? How?
Millions of people vote everyday to control everything? Actually, this is how free markets work. Millions of people make hundreds of decisions everyday with their choices of what to buy and not to buy. Markets respond to deliver and to innovate creating new products the PEOPLE want and need.
The fundamental constant for socialism is central control. Whether that control is from a king, a baron, a dictator or a committed of 'the people', the common theme is top down, central control.
does your feudal landlord supply you with food or medical care in your time of need or in your old age.


The socialist state won't either when they run out of other people's money.
However, a free market products called investments can provide the resources needed to retire.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 22, 2013
"Almost 6 million young people are neither in school nor working, according to a study released Monday." http://bigstory.a...l-work-0
But 'liberals' want to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants and import millions more.

In the mean time, we are told, truck farmers around the country are complaining they can't find people to harvest their crops.

In 1934 my grandfather and his new bride drove 9 days in a Model T from SD to WA to look for work, and he found it.

Of course this wouldn't dawn on you but:
1. It takes time for word of jobs to spread.
2. Many people are reluctant to leave a supportive family and friends.
3. Probably most of the people who could fill these jobs DON'T have the assets need to relocate.
4. And just how far does $14 dollars a hour go when renting housing in a market with a severe shortage?
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 22, 2013
Quote Rygg2, "The fundamental constant for socialism is central control. Whether that control is from a king, a baron, a dictator or a committed of 'the people', the common theme is top down, central control."

No, in a democracy it is control by the people and for the people. It is capitalist and lobbyist that corrupt the system. Read our constitution please.

I see you do not even know the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy. No wonder you are so confused. Like I mentioned earlier you have a severe problem with comprehending what you read.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
in a democracy it is control by the people and for the people.

Impossible.
This would then require that 100% of 'the people' must be in 100% agreement for everything, ALL the time, or tyranny of the majority reigns.
A dictatorship of a majority is no different than a dictatorship of one or a committee. It is still a dictatorship.
3. Probably most of the people who could fill these jobs DON'T have the assets need to relocate.

Why should they relocate? Why won't the local govts stop punishing those who want to create jobs? But, if Detroit or CA or NY want to punish entrepreneurs with high taxes and regulations, move to more business friendly jurisdictions. People can follow or become wards of the state.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 22, 2013
in a democracy it is control by the people and for the people.

Impossible.
This would then require that 100% of 'the people' must be in 100% agreement for everything, ALL the time, or tyranny of the majority reigns.
A dictatorship of a majority is no different than a dictatorship of one or a committee. It is still a dictatorship.
3. Probably most of the people who could fill these jobs DON'T have the assets need to relocate.

Why should they relocate? Why won't the local govts stop punishing those who want to create jobs? But, if Detroit or CA or NY want to punish entrepreneurs with high taxes and regulations, move to more business friendly jurisdictions. People can follow or become wards of the state.

Like I stated before you don't even know what the word democracy means. Unregulated capitalism leads to feudalism that ends in a dictatorship.

Believe me when they pay enough to make it worth the move the workers will be there to fill the job
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
P, why won't Detroit or CA or NY or....create a business climate that creates work?

Democracy means majority rule, 50%+1 controls the 50%-1.

"Unregulated capitalism" No such thing since competitors and customers regulate capitalism.
Why do socialists keep up this lie about capitalism?
In a feudal system, the govt controls the property, the lives of the serfs.
Under capitalism, the govt protects the property of every individual.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
"The memory of that Marquette student came back to me, years later, when another black young man said that he had wanted to become a pilot, and had even planned to join the Air Force in order to do so. But then, he said, he now "realized" that "The Man" would never allow a black guy to become a pilot.

This was said decades after a whole squadron of black fighter plane pilots made a reputation for themselves in World War II, as the "Tuskegee Airmen." There have been black generals in the Air Force.

Both these young men -- and many others -- have learned all too well the lessons taught by race hustlers, in their social version of the laws of aerodynamics, which said that they could not rise."

Read more: http://www.realcl...iT4mfLQd
Follow us: @RCP_Articles on Twitter
From Thomas Sowell, who is no longer considered to be black by 'liberals'.
Pressure2
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 22, 2013
Quote Rygg2: ""Unregulated capitalism" No such thing since competitors and customers regulate capitalism.
Why do socialists keep up this lie about capitalism?
In a feudal system, the govt controls the property, the lives of the serfs.
Under capitalism, the govt protects the property of every individual."

Under unregulated capitalism competition would vanish in a few decades. The customers would then have NO choices. Only when capitalism is regulated does competition flourish and customers have choices.
Pressure2
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 22, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "P, why won't Detroit or CA or NY or....create a business climate that creates work?
Democracy means majority rule, 50%+1 controls the 50%-1."

CA and NY are doing very well thank you. Two out of three isn't that bad. In fact NY city is probably doing better than any other city in the US. Their real estate prices never dropped during the Great Recession caused by Bush.

These are your three choices, democracy, dictatorship or anarchy, In a democracy 50% plus 1 rules, in a dictatorship 1 rules and in anarchy 100% rule. It appears you favor anarchy, is that correct?

ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (12) Oct 22, 2013
unregulated capitalism

There is no such thing.
Pressure2
3 / 5 (2) Oct 22, 2013
unregulated capitalism

There is no such thing.

Thank Goodness
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
"But there are larger reasons why robust growth eludes New York — in particular, its well-earned reputation as being hostile both to business and economic success.

New York's comparatively high taxes (on corporate and personal incomes, on estates and property) coupled with the most aggressive regulatory climate in the nation, surely signal that growth should be happening elsewhere."
http://nypost.com...mic-gap/
"Between 1992 and 2010, California lost a staggering $45.27 billion in annual adjusted gross income (AGI), and the lion's share of it went to low- or no-income-tax states that offer more business-friendly economic climates. "
http://www.forbes...en-more/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
These are your three choices, democracy, dictatorship or anarchy, In a democracy 50% plus 1 rules, in a dictatorship 1 rules and in anarchy 100% rule. It appears you favor anarchy, is that correct?


The world's nation states exist in anarchy. There is no world govt.
The choice you didn't mention is a republic, which is the official govt of the USA. A constitutional republic limits the power of the state and is supposed to protect the property rights of the individual.
Anarchy is preferable to socialism. Under anarchy, Somalia performed as well, or better, than their neighbors under socialism.
Anarchy does not mean that society disappears.
Under anarchy, the people will have the opportunity to follow the advice provided by Bastiat in The Law, creating law that does not plunder, but prevents injustice by protecting private property.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
unregulated capitalism

There is no such thing.

Thank Goodness

So why do you keep stating that capitalism can exist without regulation?
Capitalism thrives best when the regulation is by customers and competitors.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
"my concept of regime uncertainty is something quite different. It is a form of uncertainty related to the public's — especially the private investors' — confidence in the future security of private property rights, which can be impaired by future regulatory changes (e.g., Dodd-Frank and Obamacare regulations), court decisions, administrative twists and turns, tax increases in various forms (e.g., Obamacare penalties enforced through the income-tax system), monetary-policy changes that threaten the dollar's purchasing power and distort the allocation of credit, and personnel changes in the government's corps of executives, judges, and assorted capos."

Read more: http://dailycalle...iUfkrD7c
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
"Evidence from public opinion polls and corporate bond markets shows that FDR's policies prevented a robust recovery of long-term private investment by significantly reducing investors' confidence in the durability of private property rights. "
http://www.indepe...sp?a=430
Pressure2
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 22, 2013
unregulated capitalism

There is no such thing.

Thank Goodness

So why do you keep stating that capitalism can exist without regulation?
Capitalism thrives best when the regulation is by customers and competitors.

Because it has in the past in the feudal European states. And if you had your way I fear it could happen again.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 22, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "The world's nation states exist in anarchy. There is no world govt.
The choice you didn't mention is a republic, which is the official govt of the USA. A constitutional republic limits the power of the state and is supposed to protect the property rights of the individual.
Anarchy is preferable to socialism. Under anarchy, Somalia performed as well, or better, than their neighbors under socialism."

There are all kinds of variations in the basic choice of the three. A republic is just a mixture of a dictatorship and a democracy. All democracies are a combination of the two. After all we learn from the past and everything needs rules by which to operate. That goes DOUBLE for corporations because they are not democracies and would answer to no one unless required.

I find it hard to believe you made the statement that anarchy is preferable to socialism. If you really believe that and you consider the US a socialist state maybe you should consider emigrating.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 22, 2013
"Evidence from public opinion polls and corporate bond markets shows that FDR's policies prevented a robust recovery of long-term private investment by significantly reducing investors' confidence in the durability of private property rights. "
http://www.indepe...sp?a=430

Your last two post are more of your right wing tripe. Business thrives best with certainty. That is why Obama should have let ALL the Bush tax cuts expire. That would have reduced our deficit and brought certainty to are allies around the world as well as the corporation in the US.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 22, 2013
Feudalism has nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with state control of private property, socialism.
With anarchy, which means "no government", individuals have the liberty to protect themselves and their property and to join with like minded individuals. Anyone who desires socialist central planning either desires to be in control of others or likes being taken care of. They definitely don't like individual liberty or respect their fellow human beings.
BHO had little choice but to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. He even admitted raising taxes in a recession is a bad idea.
The US has been a socialist state for over 100 years when the 'progressives' launched the Regulatory State, in violation of the spirit and intent of the US Constitution. But that can be changed by following the Constitution's amendment process and does not required the approval of Congress, the President or the SCOTUS.
Pressure2
3 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "Feudalism has nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with state control of private property, socialism.
With anarchy, which means "no government", individuals have the liberty to protect themselves and their property and to join with like minded individuals. Anyone who desires socialist central planning either desires to be in control of others or likes being taken care of. They definitely don't like individual liberty or respect their fellow human beings.
BHO had little choice but to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. He even admitted raising taxes in a recession is a bad idea."

Feudalism is the end result of unregulated capitalism and anarchy. You mention that like minded people would join together for protection. WHAT A PIPE DREAM.

As like minded people multiply with limited resources they will soon split into fighting factions. It will happen EVERY time. Just look at the history of religion and politics.

ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 23, 2013
Feudalism is the end result of unregulated capitalism and anarchy.

BS!
Under feudalism, the state OWNS the means of production, and leases this out to the serfs.
The modern day equivalent is the radio spectrum or federal land leased for grazing or oil drilling. This is just another form of socialism where the state controls private property.

unregulated capitalism

Again, you keep using a specious term. You even agreed, capitalism is NEVER unregulated. In a free market, capitalism is regulated by customers and competitors.
Pressure2
3 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
Continued: That is why to make a true change in the history of mankind we need some new ideas.

1. Using our brains to control our natural desire to multiply uncontrollably.

2,3,4,5. are the same.

Look at it this way. When and if mankind start migrating to other planets or solar systems do you think the people on those spaceships will be able to multiply indiscriminately? Absolutely NOT.

Well the earth is our only spaceship at the present time and maybe for a very long time into the future. So get into the 21st century.
Pressure2
3 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "BS!
Under feudalism, the state OWNS the means of production, and leases this out to the serfs.
The modern day equivalent is the radio spectrum or federal land leased for grazing or oil drilling. This is just another form of socialism where the state controls private property.

You still don't get it do you? Under feudalism 1 person owns everything, they are a dictator. And everyone else works for this dictator who acquired his position by either violence or a monopoly of power acquired under an unregulated capitalism system.

I assume you believe that under capitalism wealth should only be acquired by the results of one's efforts, don't? Well, did anyone create the EM spectrum, or put to oil in the ground, or create the land own jointly by a country? I think NOT. So why shouldn't these things be under a the control of a democratically elected government for the benefit of everyone?
nowhere
5 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
Capitalism thrives best when the regulation is by customers and competitors.

When one competitor begins to cheat to reduce costs (makes unsafe products/makes uncompetitive deals with suppliers/employs desperate workers for below minimum wage), they gain an advantage over the competitor not cheating, effectively forcing that one to cheat to compete. Since consumers cannot identify all factors that result in a substandard product, and are easily swayed(hence advertising) they are very inefficient at regulating the market.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 23, 2013
monopoly of power

Can NOT result from capitalism.
unregulated capitalism

Again, there is no such thing as unregulated capitalism.
did anyone create the EM spectrum,

Did the state create the EM spectrum? No, so why should the state own it? A capitalist, using his knowledge and capital creates a radar, a radio ... that creates wealth from the EM spectrum owns the property he created and the wealth generated from that property. The capitalist added VALUE to the EM spectrum just as a homesteaded adds value the land he clears and farms. If the capitalist can't own the land, can't own the spectrum he adds value to, then why should he expend any capital to increase its value?
How many people would pay for a new kitchen in a house they are renting?
very inefficient at regulating the market.

Really? Consumer's were quick to note the crappy cars Detroit made when the govt allowed Japan and Germany to import more. UL, IIHS, Consumer Reports all report on bad products.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (14) Oct 23, 2013
I'm sure BHO doesn't like Consumer Reports warning people NOT to buy into Obamacare.
Not long ago a Chinese company tried to cheat on the protein content in pet food. It made pets sick and the Canadian company that unknowingly bought the bad product immediately recalled all their products and made sure they never allowed such contamination again.
The Chinese govt hired the NSF to set up a test program to prevent any recurrence. The NSF is NOT a govt organization.
Those capitalist who really want to cheat bribe the govt to create regulations that limit their competition. That was the motive behind the FDA.
How many people get sick every year from govt 'inspected' meat, eggs, ....? Too many so why trust the govt? The govt has nothing to loose. A capitalist has everything to loose if he lies, cheats and steals like the govt does.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (13) Oct 23, 2013
Madoff's Pozi scheme was enabled by the SEC. After all, the SEC is the govt agency that is supported to protect people from cheats like Madoff, but the SEC did nothing for many years suggesting to his potential victims Madoff was legit.
It was Madoff's competition that tried to get the SEC to act.
The competition could have advertised they thought Madoff was cheating and let consumers decide.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
I'm sure BHO doesn't like Consumer Reports warning people NOT to buy into Obamacare.
Not long ago a Chinese company tried to cheat on the protein content in pet food. It made pets sick and the Canadian company that unknowingly bought the bad product immediately recalled all their products and made sure they never allowed such contamination again.
The Chinese govt hired the NSF to set up a test program to prevent any recurrence. The NSF is NOT a govt organization.
Those capitalist who really want to cheat bribe the govt to create regulations that limit their competition. That was the motive behind the FDA.
How many people get sick every year from govt 'inspected' meat, eggs, ....? Too many so why trust the govt? The govt has nothing to loose. A capitalist has everything to loose if he lies, cheats and steals like the govt does.

Yes and the Chinese may have got blamed for something they did not do. I use to buy Iams can cat food, I found mold in some cans. It made my cat sick.
Pressure2
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
Madoff's Pozi scheme was enabled by the SEC. After all, the SEC is the govt agency that is supported to protect people from cheats like Madoff, but the SEC did nothing for many years suggesting to his potential victims Madoff was legit.
It was Madoff's competition that tried to get the SEC to act.
The competition could have advertised they thought Madoff was cheating and let consumers decide.

You are blaming the wrong entity. HEY, IT WAS THE CAPITALIST MADOFF WHO WAS THE CROOK! The SEC is not perfect, but it did no wrong. It will never catch and stop all the capitalist crooks before the scam people.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
Rygg2' you seem to think that it is just terrible when a government agency makes mistakes but you show NO outrage when a capitalist gives the public bacteria poisonings that cause people to get sick and even DIE. Believe me, it would be a lot worst if we did not have the SEC, the Disease Control Center, food inspectors and a host of other regulations controlling the greed of UNREGULATED capitalist. It would be the law of the Jungle and we would soon be a Third World Country.

Back to the Iam's can cat food. The mold I found in the cans was chunks which could only have come from a food processing line the had NOT been cleaned for days if not weeks.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 23, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "Did the state create the EM spectrum? No, so why should the state own it? A capitalist, using his knowledge and capital creates a radar, a radio ... that creates wealth from the EM spectrum owns the property he created and the wealth generated from that property. The capitalist added VALUE to the EM spectrum just as a homesteaded adds value the land he clears and farms. If the capitalist can't own the land, can't own the spectrum he adds value to, then why should he expend any capital to increase its value?
How many people would pay for a new kitchen in a house they are renting?"

Your lack of knowledge is astounding. The EM spectrum is sold off to the highest bidder and ALL improvements they make using the spectrum more efficiently they benefit from. In fact they can resell their part of the spectrum at a profit. The system is fair, how would you allocate the spectrum, by flipping coins?

Like I said before no man created the EM Spectrum, therefor it belongs to all.
Gawad
5 / 5 (1) Oct 23, 2013
Not long ago a Chinese company tried to cheat on the protein content in pet food. It made pets sick and the Canadian company that unknowingly bought the bad product immediately recalled all their products and made sure they never allowed such contamination again.
The Chinese govt hired the NSF to set up a test program to prevent any recurrence. The NSF is NOT a govt organization.

Absolutely correct!

Oh...but you left out the part where in the time it took this to happen thousands of families, especially those with children, were devastated by the death or illness of their pets, and financially impacted by vet bills in the hundreds or thousands of dollars that were never reimbursed by the culprits of this "free market correction". Something along these lines even occurred that involved baby formula !

RYGGTARD/MARJON: you are and always have been...a total moron.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (12) Oct 23, 2013
the culprits of this "free market correction"

The culprits were shot by the socialist Chinese govt.
Sue the socialist Chinese govt for failing to inspect their exports.
Govt is great so sue them when they fail.
therefor it belongs to all.

But the state can sell it? Do the oceans belong to all? How about all the range and timber 'owned by all'?
'Owned by all' is bs.
The SEC is not perfect, but it did no wrong.

They FAILED to do their job. Even when a competitor provided the details.
"A whistleblower who repeatedly warned the Securities and Exchange Commission that Bernard Madoff was perpetrating a massive investment fraud testified Wednesday that the regulatory agency that oversees financial markets is inept, "financially illiterate" and far too cozy with the financial titans it is supposed to be regulating."
http://money.cnn....eblower/
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (12) Oct 23, 2013
" Bernard Madoff thought regulators had caught him in 2006 and was "astonished" U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigators never followed up on information he gave them, the agency's internal watchdog said. "
""They never verified Madoff's purported trading with any independent third parties." By checking with the clearing agency, the SEC would have "immediately realized that Madoff was not trading in anywhere near the volume that he was showing on the customer statements."

The Kotz report detailed repeated missed opportunities by the agency after being alerted to Madoff's Ponzi scheme activities at least six times dating back to 1992. "
http://www.bloomb...VXWJSeiI
Who was fired at SEC? Who was sued at SEC to recover funds lost?
Govt regulators can fail, destroying peoples lives, but they won't be held to account by 'liberals'.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (12) Oct 23, 2013
"Since 2007, the FDA has issued three warnings about the products, but has not issued a recall.

So far, scientists have not been able to determine exactly what is causing the kidney problems in the pets. Pierre wants the company to take action of its own.

"I think they have misled the consumers into thinking they really care about these animals and they don't," Pierre said.

The company, meanwhile, insists that the treats are safe and that they have tests to prove it.

In a statement, the company said: "We have a dedicated team of quality control experts in China, particularly in the plants where Waggin' Train products are produced.""
http://pittsburgh...ng-sick/
The company is taking action and consumers can take their own action and not buy them.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "therefor it belongs to all.

But the state can sell it? Do the oceans belong to all? How about all the range and timber 'owned by all'?
'Owned by all' is bs. "

What do you propose? Letting the "free market" just use the frequencies at will? That would be chaos and the frequencies would be nothing but static most of the time and useless to all.

So the state MUST be the one to sell off the original rights. And because in a democracy everyone owns the government so everybody originally owns the frequencies just like the land not in private hands, as well as the timber and mineral resources on public lands.

Nations do claim territorial ocean limits around their borders and in the US drilling right are auctioned off just like the land rights were originally sold off or given to who ever would settle there and use it.

Gawad
5 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
the culprits of this "free market correction"

The culprits were shot by the socialist Chinese govt.
Sue the socialist Chinese govt for failing to inspect their exports.
Govt is great so sue them when they fail.


NO, they weren't shot. You appear to be confusing this with the fate of Zheng Xiaoyu. And even if they had been, here's the point: WHO CARES? Shooting them or suing the Chinese government doesn't bring back the dead or heal the crippled sacrificed on the Alter of your Pure and Unfettered Capitalism, and would be unlikely to produce any tangible results in any case except bring more hardship to the victims and feed lawyers, you fraud.

The only thing that can control the utterly selfish impulses of narcissistic, psychopathological and pathological liar capitalists (and wannabes, as in your case) is strong regulation and enforcement, especially surrounding safety issues and product claims.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (14) Oct 23, 2013
Letting the "free market" just use the frequencies at will? That would be chaos and the frequencies would be nothing but static most of the time and useless to all.

Where is the profit in that?
How are the Mexican stations controlled by FCC?

Unfettered Capitalism

No such thing.
Melamine contamination was/is the result of passing minimum protein level tests. Melamine skewed the data to show higher protein content.
Where did that requirement come from? Who enforced the standards?
You all seem to think that if only the state passes some law then all will be well. No one will dare break that law/regulation.
Regulations are useless if the state won't enforce the law and regulatory agencies have thousands of regulations to enforce and no consequence for failure.
Private companies do face severe and immediate consequences for failure and will take proactive steps.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "Where is the profit in that?
How are the Mexican stations controlled by FCC?"

I am not sure what you mean by, "Where is the profit in that?"

No, the Mexican and Canadian station are not controlled by the FCC. The governments work out agreements as to which frequencies each can use and the power permitted using those frequencies.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
"Where is the profit in that?" - RyggTard

That is the point, dungheap. Unregulated Capitalism is universally destructive, even being destructive to itself.

"How are the Mexican stations controlled by FCC?" - RyggTard

Through international agreements between nations.

Poor Dungheap. Perpetually confused, and living on the imaginary moon of Libertaria.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
"Melamine contamination was/is the result of passing minimum protein level tests." - RyggTard

Melamine isn't protein, Dungheap.

Corrupt businessmen made the decision to put the poison into food in order to defraud their customers by increasing the apparent protein content of their food.

Here is another example of Corporate Fraud causing mass death from the news today....

FDA Alerts Pet Owners, Vets To Possible Link Between Jerky Treats, Dogs Getting Sick

At least 3,600 dogs have been sickened since 2007 and 580 of those pets died.

This Corporate evil has been ongoing for the last 7 years without correction.

http://pittsburgh...ng-sick/
Gawad
5 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
Regulations are useless if the state won't enforce the law and regulatory agencies have thousands of regulations to enforce and no consequence for failure.


Thanks. That's what I said. Strong regulation and enforcement (esp. where safety and products claims are concerned). And that includes severe punishment for violators.

So, yes, in the case of those responsible for the death of those babies through melamine poisoning in China, being shot should have been the least of their worries. Glad we agree on that.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 23, 2013
This video provides a wonderful example of how Tea-Publicans like RyggTard, think.

http://www.youtub...fQCpYocQ

They are living on planet ignorance and self delusion..
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
""They never verified Madoff's purported trading with any independent third parties." - RyggTard

RyggTard is blissfully unaware of the fact that Madoff's organization and others were made "self regulating" by the Conservatives in Congress...

"The Office of Compliance Inspections and Examinations administers the SEC's nationwide examination and inspection program for registered self-regulatory organizations, broker-dealers, transfer agents, clearing agencies, investment companies, and investment advisers." - SEC Info

Poor RyggT-Tard. He thinks that if a stop sign doesn't prevent an accident, all stop signs should be abolished.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
The culprits were shot by the socialist Chinese govt." - RyggTard

"Wrong again, Dungheap.

You are getting your Capitalist Crooks all mixed up.

I can understand that. There are so many of them.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Oct 23, 2013
"But the state can sell it? Do the oceans belong to all?" - RyggTard

By international convention, nation states own a buffer of ocean around their nation - if they have any ocean shore lines.

Those waters are owned by the state in the name of the people and administered by the state in the name of the people.

You certainly aren't stupid enough to believe that you personally own a portion of the ocean?

How many cubic meters of ocean do you own? Do you keep it in a plastic bag to prevent it from wandering into the pieces of ocean owned by other people?

Answer, because curious minds want to know how far your mental disease has progressed.

VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
"Madoff's Pozi scheme was enabled by the SEC." - RyggTard

In exactly the same way that disease is enabled by doctors who fail to produce a cure.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
"I'm sure BHO doesn't like Consumer Reports warning people NOT to buy into Obamacare." - RyggTard

But that isn't what Consumer Reports advised.

"Obamacare opponents have misrepresented Consumer Reports' position
HealthCare.gov problems do not negate benefits of new health law

Pundits opposed to the new health care law and some media outlets have tried to suggest that our coverage of the troubled HealthCare.gov site means that Consumer Reports has turned against the Affordable Care Act.

Not true."

http://consumerre...ndex.htm

Once again, RyggTard is caught telling another lie.

Why is it that Conservatives are perpetually caught telling lies?
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
"I've heard from many readers who say their health insurance premiums are going through the roof because of the new health law, and they're having their doubts about the "affordable" part of the Affordable Care Act.

But when they've given me enough information to look into their situation, in almost every case it turns out they're upset over nothing—because their health costs are not going up after all. They just haven't been able to find their way to the right information."

http://www.consum...ndex.htm
VendicarE
4.7 / 5 (3) Oct 23, 2013
"Believed misleading info from insurance company. A California freelancer was irate that her insurance company was discontinuing her existing, zero-deductible plan and replacing it with a plan with a higher premium and much higher out-of-pocket costs. "It's sad the way this is working out for some moderate-income people," she said.

REALITY: I plugged her age, ZIP code, and income ($35,000) into the plan preview feature of Covered California, the state-run marketplace (which is up and running, by the way). Turns out that with her subsidy, she can buy a plan from the same carrier for $134 a month less than what she's paying now. The deductible is comparable to the replacement plan she was offered but the copays are similar to those of her current plan, and most of the services she's likely to need aren't subject to the deductible anyway, such as doctor visits, generic drugs, lab tests, and hospital care."

http://www.consum...ndex.htm
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 24, 2013
"A retired woman living on $20,400 in Social Security survivor's benefits said she was struggling to afford her $541 retiree health plan. She said the plans she's seen that are available through her state's Health Insurance Marketplace would be even more expensive, with worse coverage.

REALITY: At her income level, she'll not only be entitled to a hefty subsidy that will bring her premium down to about $90 a month, she'll also get a major reduction in her out-of-pocket costs."

http://www.consum...ndex.htm
djr
4 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2013
Ryggy: "I'm sure BHO doesn't like Consumer Reports warning people NOT to buy into Obamacare."

Another outright lie from Ryggy - another attempt to attack the President that Ryggy hates so much. Consumer reports did not advise people NOT to BUY into ACA, they advised people to stay away from the web site for another month - while the technical issues are remedied.

http://rt.com/usa...ite-557/
djr
5 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2013
Ryggy is sounding a lot like Sean Hannity - lying his ass off in order to smear the ACA. Check this story of lies and hatred.

http://www.huffin...699.html
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"Why would any business move a factory into a different country?" - RyggTard

So they can make shit products that sell well in America due to low cost and pay their staff vastly lower wages.

It is a win, win situation because the products fail and Stupid Americans just by more shit as a replacement.

Corporations try to keep their customers as ignorant as possible when it comes to their product, weather it be a drill or a can of genetically modified corn.

That is why Food Producers have fought tooth and nail against nutritional and other nutritional information appearing on their product labels.

RyggTard is a wonderful example of how stupid American Consumers really are.

The Conservative ones actually demand that they not be allowed to know what it is they are consuming.

Keeping themselves ignorant is the Republican way.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"I've heard from many readers who say their health insurance premiums are going through the roof because of the new health law, and they're having their doubts about the "affordable" part of the Affordable Care Act.

But when they've given me enough information to look into their situation, in almost every case it turns out they're upset over nothing—because their health costs are not going up after all. They just haven't been able to find their way to the right information."

http://www.consum...ndex.htm

And for the few people whose premium do increase in almost ALL cases their coverage has doubled and their co-pays have dropped to zero for preventive care.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"In our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? "Well," he said, "I haven't been forced to do so, it's just that I've chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs." What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said he'd call me back. He never did."

I have never encountered a Republican who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
In reference to a study that claimed people who stay married are less likely to suffer from Alzheimer's, Kilmeade said that the results do not apply to the United States because:

"... we keep marrying other species and other ethnics. See, the problem is the Swedes have pure genes. Because they marry other Swedes .... Finns marry other Finns, so they have a pure society. In America we marry everybody, we marry Italians and Irish." - Brian Kilmeade - Fox News
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 24, 2013
Political cronies pass laws subsidizing corn and beet sugar prices in the USA. With artificially high sucrose prices, business seek alternatives and find high fructose corn syrup (hfc) is a cheaper substitute for sucrose in soda and other products. Non-govt research shows hfc may not be good for people and consumers begin to switch to products with cane sugar (sucrose). Jones Soda promotes it has no hfc as do many other products. Meanwhile, candy companies move out of the USA to Canada to be able to purchase sucrose at world market prices.
Some consumers don't want sugar and businesses market no caloria stevia sweetener (but for a while, it can't be called a sweetner, by federal law).
Pepsi starts selling retro products made with sucrose. Coke imports Coke made with sucrose from Mexico into Costco, Trader Joes, Whole foods and regular super markets.
Consumers and competition forced Pepsi and Coke to respond or loose market share. Will the US govt respond and end sucrose tariffs?
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 24, 2013
"These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law's benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.
"http://healthpoli...tml#more
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 24, 2013
Political cronies pass laws subsidizing corn and beet sugar prices in the USA. With artificially high sucrose prices, business seek alternatives and find high fructose corn syrup (hfc) is a cheaper substitute for sucrose in soda and other products. Non-govt research shows hfc may not be good for people and consumers begin to switch to products with cane sugar (sucrose). - - - "deleted to make room for myself below" - - - -
Consumers and competition forced Pepsi and Coke to respond or loose market share. Will the US govt respond and end sucrose tariffs?


I agree with Mayor Bloomberg but instead of limiting the size of drinks raw sugar should be taxed just like cigarettes to double the price.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law's benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.
"http://healthpoli...tml#more

Rygg2' the KEY phrase in you post is "the new health law's mandates". The law mandates MUCH better coverage and requires that there be no co-pays for preventive medical services. It also doe NOT have lifetime caps of $100,000 or a $1,000,000 like most private corporation and unions.

In reality most people will be getting about double the coverage for about the same price. It's a bargain, don't let Fox propaganda tell you otherwise.

ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (15) Oct 24, 2013
most people will be getting about double the coverage for about the same price

Prove it.
I have heard that insurance won't kick in on some policies until after $24,000 is paid by by the patient.
The law mandates MUCH better coverage

Really? IF you can find a doctor. IF you can afford the co-pay and deductables, ...
Socialized mandates NEVER lower costs. They only create rationing.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 24, 2013
It's so great, no one is buying in ND:
"FARGO – The Obama administration asked North Dakota's largest health insurer not to publicize how many people have signed up for health insurance through a new online exchange, a company official says. "
http://www.inforu.../416090/
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 24, 2013
most people will be getting about double the coverage for about the same price

Prove it.
I have heard that insurance won't kick in on some policies until after $24,000 is paid by by the patient.
The law mandates MUCH better coverage

Really? IF you can find a doctor. IF you can afford the co-pay and deductables, ...
Socialized mandates NEVER lower costs. They only create rationing.

I think VendicarE has already proved that with several of his posting.
Your $24,000 kick in price is PURE fantasy. Why don't you PROVE that figure?

Use your head for something besides a hat rack. Why would you think some of these companies complain about steep price increase in their health insurance premiums?
It really is simple, "the require mandated coverage" has increase. They were the one's offering nearly worthless health insurance coverage before.

Pressure2
3.3 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "Really? IF you can find a doctor. IF you can afford the co-pay and deductables, .
Socialized mandates NEVER lower costs. They only create rationing.

What a laugh, HA HA HA! So that is why medical care takes about 10% of the total GDP in countries with national health insurance as oppose 17% in the US.

As I mentioned before co-pays for preventive medical care are $0 under Obamacare. Now it is true one can buy health insurance that has larger co-pays for other medical services if one chooses. This give people more choices than most employer plans.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 24, 2013
"While American companies solved these problems in the previous century, pint-sized California Rep. Henry Waxman blames an unspecified "private sector" for the failure of the Obama administration's exchange. The compact Democrat argued strongly Tuesday that Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius should not resign in shame over the HealthCare.gov fiasco because, in his view, the site's contractor was to blame."
"While American companies solved these problems in the previous century, pint-sized California Rep. Henry Waxman blames an unspecified "private sector" for the failure of the Obama administration's exchange. The compact Democrat argued strongly Tuesday that Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius should not resign in shame over the HealthCare.gov fiasco because, in his view, the site's contractor was to blame.

Read more: http://dailycalle...ieEXMLgp
djr
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
I stated - "Another outright lie from Ryggy - another attempt to attack the President that Ryggy hates so much. Consumer reports did not advise people NOT to BUY into ACA, they advised people to stay away from the web site for another month - while the technical issues are remedied."

What an interesting psychology - Ryggy is continually caught telling outright lies - and then with total disregard for the truth - or for any level of integrity - continues with the verbal diarrhea - and trying to look like he/she is a credible participant in a discussion.
kochevnik
3 / 5 (6) Oct 24, 2013
IRyggy is continually caught telling outright lies - and then with total disregard for the truth - or for any level of integrity - continues with the verbal diarrhea - and trying to look like he/she is a credible participant in a discussion.
All it does is copy a few keywords from your post into it's libertarian search engine, and spew back the top item verbatim. It's a libertarian spam machine
Gawad
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
Kochevnik, Rygg/Marjon isn't a libertarian however much he tries to let on that he is. His breed goes way beyond that. He's a right-wing corporate anarchist. He even wants the right to print his own currency, whose value would equal the cost to print it.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"I have heard that insurance won't kick in on some policies until after $24,000 is paid by by the patient." - RyggTard

I've heard that there are gelatinous invisible aliens on Mars having sex and smoking martian cigarettes afterward, and that the photographs of such were accidentally released by NASA.

It's probably heard it from the same source as yours.

Faux News perhaps?

VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2013
"Socialized mandates NEVER lower costs." - RyggTard

Then why are the socialized medical systems outside the U.S. vastly less expensive that the current American system?

VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"He's a right-wing corporate anarchist. He even wants the right to print his own currency, whose value would equal the cost to print it." - Gawad

No, that is a Libertarian position.

Idaho Republican Platform: GOP Calls For Returning Gold Standard, Ending Direct Election Of Senators

The platform specifically calls for power to issue currency be "returned to the people" and that the dollar should be backed by gold or silver.

The state party also called for repealing the 17th amendment of the Constitution, which allows for the direct election of U.S. senators.

http://www.huffin...088.html
VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2013
RyggTard got his bogus 24,000 deductible figure from a nameless caller on the Rush Limbaugh show a week ago who knows this guy who had a deductible quoted to he of that size.

CALLER: Yeah, and when he said that, I said, "$24,000?" and he said, "Yes," and then he said, "Did you ever think that anything like this would ever happen in America, that any of us would feel the way we are feeling?"

RUSH: Well, here's the thing: Yes. The moment Obama was elected I did.

You know, if an unnamed caller on the Rush Limbaugh hatefest radio show says it's so, it must be true.

Oh, wait... Isn't it the opposite?

Yes... yes it is....

Gawad
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"Socialized mandates NEVER lower costs." - RyggTard

Then why are the socialized medical systems outside the U.S. vastly less expensive that the current American system?


In fairness, one reason is that it does result in rationing. Rationing is one way that states such as Canada keep cost lower than in the States. But the truth is that such arguments are also a red herring, because you will ALWAYS HAVE SOME FORM OF RATIONING. In the States they still get rationed, but the rationing is performed by the private insurers, or doctors in public hospital. The fact is that any society will bankrupt itself if it decides that it is willing to spend ANY effort to let its citizens live just a little bit longer. As health care spending approaches 100% of economic output, well, you can see where this is going.

So its NEVER a question of whether rationing happens or not, it always does, its a question of how much and by whom.
VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2013
"It's so great, no one is buying in ND:" - RyggTard

They know that they have lots of time, should they need to enroll at all.

Poor Ryggie, looking for love in all the wrong places.

ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (15) Oct 24, 2013
"Amid the predictable collapse the past week of HealthCare.gov's too-complex technology, not enough notice was given to Sen. Marco Rubio's statement that the chances for success on immigration reform are about dead. Why? Because, said Sen. Rubio, there is "a lack of trust" in the president's commitments."
"When belief in the average politician's word diminishes, the political world marks him down and moves away. With the president of the United States, especially one in his second term, the costs of the credibility markdown become immeasurably greater. Ask the Saudis.

Last weekend the diplomatic world was agog at the refusal of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah to accept a seat on the U.N. Security Council. Global disbelief gave way fast to clear understanding: The Saudis have decided that the United States is no longer a reliable partner in Middle Eastern affairs"
http://online.wsj...61445984
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Oct 24, 2013
"Political cronies pass laws subsidizing corn and beet sugar prices in the USA. With artificially high sucrose prices" - RyggTard

Now RyggTard is whining about the Cuban Sugar embargo, which is strongly supported by his own Republican Party.

He is just too stupid to realize it.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 24, 2013
" Mr. Obama's partners are concluding that they cannot do business with him. They don't trust him. Whether it's the Saudis, the Syrian rebels, the French, the Iraqis, the unpivoted Asians or the congressional Republicans, they've all had their fill of coming up on the short end with so mercurial a U.S. president. And when that happens, the world's important business doesn't get done. It sits in a dangerous and volatile vacuum.

The next major political event in Washington is the negotiation over spending, entitlements and taxes between House budget chairman Paul Ryan and his Senate partner, Patty Murray. The bad air over this effort is the same as that Marco Rubio says is choking immigration reform: the fear that Mr. Obama will urge the process forward in public and then blow up any Ryan-Murray agreement at the 11th hour with deal-killing demands for greater tax revenue. "
http://online.wsj...61445984
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (14) Oct 24, 2013
What would NASA do with $1 billion?
""In looking at the full range of ACA-related contracts for just 10 firms, the BGOV analysis found more than $1 billion worth of contract awards," he wrote."
"Representatives from CGI Federal, the company that was primarily responsible for developing the HealthCare.Gov website, are among those giving testimony. The Gosselin analysis found that $149.9 million, or 35 percent, of the $421.8 million in federal contracts the company received came in the final six months of the project."

Read more: http://thehill.co...iedHDI1z
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook
CGI Federal is a Canadian company.
VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (4) Oct 24, 2013
"The Saudis have decided that the United States is no longer a reliable partner in Middle Eastern affairs" - RyggTard

America acts exclusively in it's own self interest, and hence has never been a reliable ally to anyone.

Tea-Publicans have recently shown that they intend to increase that unreliability through their attempt to push America into a long Economic Depression by attempting to force government to default on it's debt payments.

Gawad
5 / 5 (2) Oct 24, 2013
"He's a right-wing corporate anarchist. He even wants the right to print his own currency, whose value would equal the cost to print it." - Gawad

No, that is a Libertarian position.


Well, it certainly falls under the Libertarian umbrella, but it's a pretty wide umbrella. Even Noam Chomsky is considered libertarian in many circles, though in the socialist quadrant, and pretty much an opposite of Ryggy if I've ever seen one. The point is that I've dealt with lots of Libertarians who believe the state has an important role to play (granted, most were NOT American Libertarians), but Rygg clearly belongs to a Libertarian faction that is extreme even by the standards of "conventional Libertarian thinking". It does seem though that his brand of politics is becoming, ah...increasingly vocal south of the 49th.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Oct 24, 2013
RyggTard is right. The failure of the businesses producing the health care websites are just another example of Corporate Failure.

Meet CGI Federal, the company behind the botched launch of HealthCare.gov

http://www.washin...are-gov/
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
Rygg clearly belongs to a Libertarian faction that is extreme even by the standards of "conventional Libertarian thinking".

Under the skin of every Libertarian there is a parasite like RyggTard trying to get out.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Oct 24, 2013
Obamacare a dream for many single moms working part time

http://phys.org/n...oms.html
Gawad
5 / 5 (2) Oct 24, 2013
You know, one of the things that often makes these big launch projects difficult is that initial volume is 10 to 100 times the maintenance volume a client will see six months down the line, but a client will not invest in procuring 10x the switches and bandwidth and servers needed to handle launch volume...understandably. So they're essentially left with one tenth to one hundredth of the capacity needed to handle the launch...even though they've been told...repeatedly. And when mitigating solutions are proposed, such as a staggered launch (say...5 states a week, of example, in this case), those are rejected for political (or other) reasons....just sayin'.
djr
5 / 5 (2) Oct 24, 2013
Ryggy: "The Saudis have decided that the United States is no longer a reliable partner in Middle Eastern affairs"

One would have thought that a libertarian would have been applauding the situation in which the U.S. was no longer propping up military dictators, was becoming more isolationist, and letting Saudi Arabia take responsibility for it's own security. Seems Ryggy thinks we should be supporting monarchies that suppress their own people.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 24, 2013
"Hidden in ObamaCare Site: Applicants Surrender Right to Privacy"
"The American people have been repeatedly assured that the website is HIPAA compliant; covered under the strictest of privacy regulations regarding medical and personal information.

But like absolutely everything else involving ObamaCare, our expectation of privacy was a lie -- just like when Obama told us ObamaCare would decrease our premiums and that no one would lose their current insurance plans or their doctor.
The fact that the government is hiding the fact that you are giving up your right to privacy should be a major media scandal. But it won't be. "
http://www.breitb...-Privacy
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 24, 2013
"Amid the predictable collapse the past week of HealthCare.gov's too-complex technology, not enough notice was given to Sen. Marco Rubio's statement that the chances for success on immigration reform are about dead. Why? Because, said Sen. Rubio, there is "a lack of trust" in the president's commitments."
- - -omitted - - - -
Last weekend the diplomatic world was agog at the refusal of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah to accept a seat on the U.N. Security Council. Global disbelief gave way fast to clear understanding: The Saudis have decided that the United States is no longer a reliable partner in Middle Eastern affairs"
http://online.wsj...61445984

So, who needs them now that we are producing so much natural gas and oil.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 24, 2013
And all the natural gas and oil is being produced on private property.
BHO has banned oil and gas production and exploration on "the peoples' land".
Did you get a vote on that? I didn't.
kochevnik
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 24, 2013
And all the natural gas and oil is being produced on private property.
BHO has banned oil and gas production and exploration on "the peoples' land".
Did you get a vote on that? I didn't.
So sad. I didn't get a vote either because I'm not American. Don't you think BHO is holding back the organ harvesting market, ryggie? That poor libertarian paradise Somalian girl just wanted to come to the UK for a better life and to sell all her vital internal organs. But the mean government stopped her human trafficking friends!
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 24, 2013
P2 believes in democracy and all the land should belong to 'the people'.
BHO unilaterally ordered all oil and gas exploration to stop the 'peoples land', but what people did he ask?
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Oct 24, 2013
"CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield is being forced to cancel plans that currently cover 76,000 individuals in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., due to changes made by President Obama's health care law, the company told the Washington Examiner today.

That represents more than 40 percent of the 177,000 individuals covered by CareFirst in those states.

Though Obama famously promised that those who liked their health care coverage could keep it under his program,"
http://washington.../2537782
"three weeks ago Obamacare was unquestioned "settled" law (despite the fact that the president himself unsettled the law by suspending the employer mandate) that only dead-ender "anarchists" and "hostage takers" wished to stop or amend."
http://www.nation...s-hanson
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 24, 2013
"CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield is being forced to cancel plans that currently cover 76,000 individuals in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., due to changes made by President Obama's health care law, the company told the Washington Examiner today.

That represents more than 40 percent of the 177,000 individuals covered by CareFirst in those states.

Though Obama famously promised that those who liked their health care coverage could keep it under his program,"
http://washington.../2537782

Obama is right, Obama care did not force the people off their health care policies BlueCross did.
As for Obama granting waivers, that is one I wish he hadn't done BUT if he hadn't many more companies would have dropped health care cover for their workers. In nearly every case because the coverage they offer was nearly non existence, in short it STUNK. Continued - -
Pressure2
3.3 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
Continuing - - Most laws passed in recent decades grant the executive branch of the government a lot of leeway in implementing the law. So Obama more than likely has the right to do what he did. If he did not why haven't Obama haters like you taken him to court to stop him from doing it. Also from what I understand the waivers ONLY last for 1 year.
djr
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
Ryggy: "BHO has banned oil and gas production and exploration on "the peoples' land".

Ryggy really lost it this time - oil and gas exploration continues on public lands - Ryggy just makes shit up.....

http://www.forbes...-leases/
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 24, 2013
"BHO unilaterally ordered all oil and gas exploration to stop the 'peoples land'" - RyggTard

Nonsense. Oil and Gas exploration continues on U.S. public land.

Reality...

"Rep. Grijalva has been criticized by conservative media for "using the government shutdown to pressure the Department of the Interior to prohibit oil and gas exploration on federal land." During the "fiscal cliff" fight of 2012, Rep. Grijalva advocated a 12.5 percent tax on miners who profited from extraction activities on federal land. Since 1872, mining companies have paid no royalties on minerals they extract from taxpayer-owned public lands."

http://thinkprogr...rilling/
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield is being forced to cancel plans that currently cover 76,000 individuals in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C" - RyggTard

From RyggTard's own link...

"While individuals in Maryland and Virginia will have the option of shopping for new plans either on the Obamacare exchanges or the individual market, D.C. residents who get cancellation notices will be forced to purchase insurance on the exchange."

Where they will find superior plans.

http://washington.../2537782
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"Seems Ryggy thinks we should be supporting monarchies that suppress their own people." - dir

RyggTard will complain about anything as long as he thinks it will help him get rid of that smelly Arab black man who has illegally taken over the White House.
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"BHO has banned oil and gas production and exploration on "the peoples' land"." - RyggTard

If production is banned on public lands as you say then why are Republicans whining over a 14 percent reduction in production compared to last year, when they should - according to you, be complaining about a 100 percent reduction?

Poor RyggTard. He just doesn't exist in the reality based community.

The current Republican approval rating is 24 percent thanks to the dungheap members of the Tea-Publican party.

VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"Don't you think BHO is holding back the organ harvesting market, ryggie?" - kochevnik

Not only organ harvesting, but the Libertarians lament to criminalization of child prostitution and the production of child pornography.

According to the Libertarian Party Platform, prostitution is sacred commerce that everyone has the right to engage in. Including children who they claim have the same rights as adults.

They don't call the Libertarian Party the Pedo Party for nothing.
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
"But like absolutely everything else involving ObamaCare, our expectation of privacy was a lie -- just like when Obama told us ObamaCare would decrease our premiums and that no one would lose their current insurance plans or their doctor." - RyggTard quoting from dead BartBreit

Indeed no communication you make via the internet can be guaranteed to be private.

So don't use the internet to sign up.

Use a broker.

Poor RyggTard. He hasn't had a logical thought run through his tiny little pea-brain in years.
djr
5 / 5 (3) Oct 24, 2013
Ryggy - ""But like absolutely everything else involving ObamaCare, our expectation of privacy was a lie"

That nasty little story being bounced around the right wing news media has been totally debunked. Ryggy will clearly copy and paste any garbage to take another shot at the president.

http://mediamatte...c/196579

VendicarE
4.2 / 5 (5) Oct 25, 2013
RyggTardieBoy has received quite an ass kicking over the last week.

If he was any normal person he would feel shame for the deceit, and lies that he was caught posting.

Looks like he is also suffering from another mental disorder. He is a psychopath.

Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterised partly by enduring anti-social behavior, a diminished capacity for empathy or remorse, and poor behavioral controls.

"The essential feature of antisocial personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood. This pattern has also been referred to as psychopathy, sociopathy, or dyssocial personality disorder." - Diagnostic and Statistical manual for mental disorders.

NikkieTard suffers from the same condition.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
Obama care did not force the people off their health care policies BlueCross did.

BHO forced BC to STOP selling policies people wanted to buy.
BHO is forcing BC and others to sell products people do not want to buy.,
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
""I was completely happy with the insurance I had before," Willes tells CBS. "Now I'm being forced to choose from a bunch of new plans that I don't want to choose from that are all more expensive.""
http://www.weekly...705.html
Pressure2
not rated yet Oct 25, 2013
Obama care did not force the people off their health care policies BlueCross did.

BHO forced BC to STOP selling policies people wanted to buy.
BHO is forcing BC and others to sell products people do not want to buy.,

That is because these cheap policies do not meet the minimum standards. BlueCross could improve them but chose not to.

This similar to when auto companies were force to install seat belts and air bags, whiners like you were saying it's to expensive and people should have choices. Well they paid off over the years in a major ways.

Give ACA a few years and more than likely your kind will see similar major benefits. Already the inflation rate in the health care industry is at its LOWEST level in 50 years mostly thanks to Obamacare.
Pressure2
not rated yet Oct 25, 2013
""I was completely happy with the insurance I had before," Willes tells CBS. "Now I'm being forced to choose from a bunch of new plans that I don't want to choose from that are all more expensive.""
http://www.weekly...705.html

So, many people are "completely happy" going without insurance and letting you pick up the tab when you go to hospital.

So, they think it is "unfair" to be forced to buy better coverage. Boo Hoo, you see I am shedding tears for them! I think it is unfair for them to receive medical services and force the rest of us to pick up the tab. The "us" excludes people like you, your kind deserve to pay for their complete lack of consideration for their fellow human beings.
djr
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
Vendi: "If he was any normal person he would feel shame for the deceit, and lies that he was caught posting."

Vendi is of course correct. I now understand the strategy of people like Ryggy. I was talking to a co-worker yesterday - who is blaming ACA for price increases on his prescriptions. Of course ACA cannot be responsible for such a thing - it has not even come into effect - and these price increases are just part of a long term problem with the U.S. health debacle. BUT - the right wing strategy is having some effect. Blanket the world with lies about the ACA (and by association President Obama) - and gin up hatred for the black man in the White House. It is sick and poisonous - but Ryggy does not care about a few truth tellers - Ryggy is part of the bigger mission to slander the President. Ryggy is a good little foot soldier.
Gawad
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
Looks like [Rygg/Marjon] is also suffering from another mental disorder. He is a psychopath.


Geez, I thought that had been settled years ago!
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2013
better coverage

So P, I think the govt should force you to buy a 'better' car.
'Better' is in the eye of the customer.
"Under Obamacare, insurers must offer a package of essential benefits -- including maternity, mental health and medications -- and must cover all who apply. But more comprehensive coverage may lead to more expensive insurance plans. "http://money.cnn....remiums/
Why should retirees pay for maternity insurance?
djr
5 / 5 (3) Oct 25, 2013
Why should retirees pay for maternity insurance?

Why should liars post on Physorg.com?
Gawad
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
better coverage

So P, I think the govt should force you to buy a 'better' car.


It forces you to buy one with seatbelts. I know, that's a cardinal sin to you. LOL!

-- including maternity, mental health and medications -- and must cover all WHO APPLY. Why should retirees pay for maternity insurance?


You know, your problem is starting to look less like psychopathy and more like organic brain damage.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2013
It forces you to buy one with seatbelts. I know, that's a cardinal sin to you. LOL!

I think the govt should force everyone to buy a 4WD SUV with a towing package or a HUMV. YOU many never need to use the 4wd but someone else many need it and why should the govt care how much this safety insurance costs you?
Everyone should be forced to buy a house with an extra room to store a 2 year supply of food. YOU may never need the food, but someone else may. Why should the govt care how much this extra food insurance costs you?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2013
"Elderly New Yorkers are in a panic after getting notices that insurance companies are booting their doctors from the Medicare Advantage program as a result of the shifting medical landscape under ObamaCare. "
"New York State Medical Society President Sam Unterricht is demanding a congressional probe after learning that one health carrier alone, UnitedHealthcare, is terminating contracts with up to 2,100 doctors serving 8,000 Medicare Advantage patients in the New York metro region."
http://nypost.com...amacare/
Gawad
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
Why should the govt care how much [X] costs you?
Because unlike you the vast majority are normal human beings with human feelings, families, people they care about and some actually have a moral compass. See, you keep speaking like they're somehow actually like you, in a disembodied way, but they're not and they certainly don't all suffer from your shortcomings. Which is why as a result of experience and from pressure by the people, you know, other human beings, they mandated seatbelts, but not 4X4, because one is reasonable and the other not. In Québec they now mandate winter tires from December to March, but not 4X4. Again, because one is reasonable, but the other not. But this is all beyond your understanding because of your illness. I understand. It's ok.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
one is reasonable and the other not

What is 'reasonable'?
Why is it 'reasonable' to force people to buy a product they will NEVER use? What 65 year old will need maternity care?
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
"However, in Vigo county some of those cuts will come at the cost of education."

"So what we had to do the other evening at the board meeting was to cut worker's hours to below 30 because we cannot afford to offer health care to every employee," says the superintendent

It would cost $6 million a year to provide health care to every employee who works more than 30 hours, says the superintendent. "
http://www.weekly...732.html
Pressure2
1 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
Of course Rygg2 you cannot understand the reasoning behind mandated seatbelts, air bags and now finally health insurance. All over time raise everyone's standard of living.
Seat belts and air bag by drastically reducing death and medical cost in the WORKING age or productive citizens. Requiring health insurance that requires no-pay preventive coverage in theory will reduce the cost of health insurance in future years. In the end it make for a STRONGER country. Even you should like that.

Now the horse s--t you bring up as examples actually LOWER the standard of living and WEAKEN a country. But this is probably way beyond your ability to comprehend.

Pressure2
not rated yet Oct 25, 2013
"Elderly New Yorkers are in a panic after getting notices that insurance companies are booting their doctors from the Medicare Advantage program as a result of the shifting medical landscape under ObamaCare. "
"New York State Medical Society President Sam Unterricht is demanding a congressional probe after learning that one health carrier alone, UnitedHealthcare, is terminating contracts with up to 2,100 doctors serving 8,000 Medicare Advantage patients in the New York metro region."
http://nypost.com...amacare/

This is just a bunch of propaganda, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to terminate contracts with Doctors who serve Medicare Advantage patients because of the ACA. One has NOTHING to do with the other. Someone at United Health Care is just PLAYING politics with the ACA. They are shameless, they really do not care who they hurt do they?
Gawad
not rated yet Oct 25, 2013
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ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
Pee, you have it backwards. The Obamacare is playing politics with health care.
in theory will reduce the cost of health insurance

Socialist theory always fails to produce the results the socialists claim they intended.
Of course the real intent of socialism is power, not lower costs.
The only proven way of lowering costs is with markets free from state coercion.
Gawad
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
The CNN statement was actually rather general in nature, and from AUGUST, here's the full quote:

"That's because these people live in states where insurers were allowed to sell bare-bones plans and exclude the sick, which has kept costs down. Under Obamacare, insurers must offer a package of essential benefits -- including maternity, mental health and medications -- and must cover all who apply. But more comprehensive coverage may lead to more expensive insurance plans."

Of course 65yr olds shouldn't have to buy coverage for maternity leave, but this is actually a very general statement, and I'm far from convinced that retirees aren't able to de-select maternity leave from a package. (I can in my own insurance, along with any number of modifications.)

Obviously I can't check this for myself from Canada; can somebody south of the 49th verify this statement with actual info from an insurance marketplace so that we can see whether this really applies?
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
"MacIver found that rates will jump significantly, especially for the young: A 27-year-old will see premiums more than double in one county in 2014, and see his rates go up by 93.6 percent in Madison, 91.2 percent in Milwaukee, and 72.6 percent in Eau Claire."
http://www.nation...ng-beard
This is great news. Young 'liberals' from 'liberal' Madison, WI will be FORCED by their 'liberal' govt pay a lot of money for a product they do not want.
This is a great way for 'liberals' to increase their base.
djr
5 / 5 (2) Oct 25, 2013
"The only proven way of lowering costs is with markets free from state coercion."

As has been pointed out time and again to Ryggy - this explains why the U.S. - the home of the free market - spends at least twice what every other country in the world spends on health care - and why the cost of medicare is controlled a lot better than costs in the private market system. Never let a few facts get in the way of your lies.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
Pee, you have it backwards. The Obamacare is playing politics with health care.
in theory will reduce the cost of health insurance

Socialist theory always fails to produce the results the socialists claim they intended.
Of course the real intent of socialism is power, not lower costs.
The only proven way of lowering costs is with markets free from state coercion.

Every country that provide national health care insurance has PROVEN that wrong.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
one is reasonable and the other not

What is 'reasonable'?
Why is it 'reasonable' to force people to buy a product they will NEVER use? What 65 year old will need maternity care?

Whether your statement has any truth in it I don,t know but it really doesn't make a NICKLES worth of difference since Medicare is provide for mostly by working age couples who may need maternity care.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
"MacIver found that rates will jump significantly, especially for the young: A 27-year-old will see premiums more than double in one county in 2014, and see his rates go up by 93.6 percent in Madison, 91.2 percent in Milwaukee, and 72.6 percent in Eau Claire."
http://www.nation...ng-beard
This is great news. Young 'liberals' from 'liberal' Madison, WI will be FORCED by their 'liberal' govt pay a lot of money for a product they do not want.
This is a great way for 'liberals' to increase their base.

But you are ignoring that rates for 18 to 26 year old's are FREE under the ACA.
Even if rates do increase for the 27 year old's they will be getting FREE preventive care coverage under the ACA. They may in some cases pay a little more but they will be getting a LOT more in many different ways.

The liberal's base has already grow by the millions with the 18 to 26 year old's.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
Rygg2, you and your kind have been on the wrong side of history since Feudal times, oh heck maybe even since the caveman traveled around on all fours.

I bet you think the income tax rate should be flat and dividend and capital gains shouldn't be taxed at all, don't you?

What about inheritance taxes, should they also be abolished?
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
Every country that provide national health care insurance has PROVEN that wrong.

If they have it been accomplished by rationing care and letting patients die.
spends at least twice what every other country in the world spends on health care

Because there is NO free market in health care since Medicare began.
getting FREE preventive care

Nothing is free. Someone must pay.

Unfortunately, anti-socialists have had few opportunities to overcome the dictators of the world over the many centuries.
When the anti-socialsts have been successful, humanity leaped ahead in liberty and prosperity only to have the socialists regain control and spread misery, poverty and death.

Pee believes the 'right side of history' is tyranny, poverty and misery?

capital gains shouldn't be taxed at all, don't you?

No. Why should they? The money invested has already been taxed.
Why tax income unless you want people to have less income?
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
Obviously Pee and most everyone else here has NO idea how wealth is created.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
"As metaphors go, "train wreck" turned out to be pretty apt. That's how retiring Democratic senator Max Baucus described his expectations for the implementation of Obamacare at a hearing last April."
http://www.weekly...689.html
"Michelle Obama's Princeton classmate is executive at company that built Obamacare website

Read more: http://dailycalle...in88IEGq
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2013
"Right" side of history?
"President Nicolas Maduro says the new Vice Ministry of Supreme Social Happiness will coordinate all the "mission" programs created by the late President Hugo Chavez to alleviate poverty."
"Oil-rich Venezuela is chronically short of basic goods and medical supplies. Annual inflation is running officially at near 50 percent and the U.S. dollar now fetches more than seven times the official rate on the black market."
"Housewife Liliana Alfonzo, 31, said that instead of a Supreme Happiness agency she'd prefer being able to get milk and toilet paper, which disappear off store shelves minutes after arriving at stores."
"merchants say they would go broke if they adhered to government price controls."
http://hosted.ap....15-29-24
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 25, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "Pee believes the 'right side of history' is tyranny, poverty and misery?

capital gains shouldn't be taxed at all, don't you?

No. Why should they? The money invested has already been taxed.
Why tax income unless you want people to have less income?"

What a joke, the world as a whole is more socialist today than ever before in history and is wealthier than ever before, reconcile that!

Your knowledge is really in short supply, NO the money made on capital gains and dividends has NEVER been taxed before. In fact the government actually subsidizes money that is lost in investments so tell me why gains should not be taxed? Where have you been, in a cave.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (1) Oct 25, 2013
Quote Rygg2: "Pee believes the 'right side of history' is tyranny, poverty and misery?

capital gains shouldn't be taxed at all, don't you?

No. Why should they? The money invested has already been taxed.
Why tax income unless you want people to have less income?"

What a joke, the world as a whole is more socialist today than ever before in history and is wealthier than ever before, reconcile that!

Your knowledge is really in short supply, NO the money made on capital gains and dividends has NEVER been taxed before. In fact the government actually subsidizes money that is lost in investments. Where have you been, in a cave.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (2) Oct 25, 2013
Okay, so I showed where you are completely wrong on taxing capital gains and dividends but what about inheritance taxes?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2013
more socialist today than ever before in history

No, it is not.
According to the index of economic freedom, the most prosperous are decidedly anti-socialist with their govt protecting private property.
"Just recently drawing upon his Christian faith (and possibly the economics influence of Professor Ayittey?), in a speech at Georgetown University, Bono altered his economic and political views and declared that only capitalism can end poverty."
""Commerce [and] entrepreneurial capitalism take more people out of poverty than aid. We need Africa to become an economic powerhouse.""
http://blog.indep...han-aid/
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2013
"The pattern shows that every time the capital gains tax has been cut, capital gains tax revenues have risen. Every time the capital gains tax has been
raised, capital gains
tax revenues have fallen"
"Capital gains t
axes are
voluntary taxes, unlike income taxes. While everyone needs to work and
bring in an income
,
the same is not true of making capital gains. No
-
one
needs to pay capital gains taxes except in times of financial distress.
Taxpayers can simply avoid selli
ng assets that are subject to the tax and also
avoid buying assets that are subject to the tax. CGT is largely a voluntary tax
and when rates rise it is no surprise that the number of volunteers declines.
http://www.adamsm...-tax.pdf
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2013
"Global economic freedom increased modestly in this year's report, though it remains below its peak level of 6.92 in 2007. After a global average drop between 2007 and 2009, the average score rose to 6.87 in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available. In this year's index, Hong Kong retains the highest rating for economic freedom, 8.97 out of 10. The rest of this year's top scores are Singapore, 8.73; New Zealand, 8.49; Switzerland, 8.30; United Arab Emirates, 8.07; Mauritius, 8.01; Finland, 7.98; Bahrain, 7.93; Canada, 7.93; and Australia, 7.88."
" Virtually without exception, these studies have found that countries with institutions and
policies more consistent with economic freedom have higher investment rates,
more rapid economic growth, higher income levels, and a more rapid reduction
in poverty rates."
http://www.cato.o...mary.pdf

Pressure2
5 / 5 (3) Oct 25, 2013
That about 1/2 the story, capitalism may take more people out of poverty but it also puts more people into poverty. The last 30 years in the US is proof of that. The US was the number 1 in standard of living 30 year ago it is in about about 10 place now. Many more socialist countries have past it up. At the present rate China will in about 25 years. What about inheritance taxes?
Pressure2
5 / 5 (3) Oct 25, 2013
Another place you show a complete lack of knowledge. Capital gains revenues do increase immediately following a reduction but they are reduce over the long term. Check it out at:
http://krugman.bl...s-taxes/
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 25, 2013
"empirical studies have provided overwhelming evidence that economic free
-
dom and deregulation of markets {aka anti-socialism} have a positive impact on growth and income."
"According to the average ratings, the world's happiest countries were Denmark,
Ireland, and Malta, all with an average score of 8.2.
Close behind in fourth position
was Iceland, with a score of 8.1. This does not really come as a surprise, as all four are
small European nations with comparably high GDP per capita. Except for Malta, all
of them also show high levels of economic freedom and little regulation. In the case
of Denmark, and to some degree Iceland, they are also characterized by very high
social trust"
"Only two countries were less happy at this point in time: Tanzania and Zimbabwe,
which have an average life-satisfaction score of only 3.9"
http://www.cato.o...er-4.pdf
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 25, 2013
"The quality of economic and political institutions matters for life satisfaction basi
-
cally for two reasons. First, free markets, and possibly also democracy, are important
determinants of growth, thereby contributing to life satisfaction via higher income
levels and lower unemployment rates. Second, risk aversion and freedom of choice
as values in themselves may explain why positive effects on life satisfaction remain,
even after controlling for income levels and other socioeconomic variables. This
non-monetary impact seems to be quite important for the individual and collective
evaluation of welfare. Economic freedom, therefore, not only makes people richer,
but it also makes them happier. "
http://www.cato.o...er-4.pdf
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 25, 2013
"In the most commonly used sense, economic freedom includes the fundamental right of every human to control his or her own labor and property – to work, produce, trade, consume and invest. In economically free countries, these rights are protected by the government and unconstrained by the government. Governments in economically free societies allow labor, capital and goods to move freely. The rule of law, property rights, freedom of contract, external and internal openness of markets, protection of property rights, and freedom of economic initiative are all associated with such societies.

Read more: http://www.gfmag....inLB2FAa
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ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 25, 2013
"Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland comprise the 2013 edition's top-five (based on 2012 data.) The United States is tenth and the United Kingdom fourteenth. North Korea is last, preceded by Cuba, Zimbabwe and Venezuela. The index has been remarkably stable through the years, with some variations but only within the range of + or – 5 points for scores out of a 100. Hong Kong and Singapore have occupied the top two positions for 19 straight years.

According to the Index editors, "The global advance toward economic freedom has ground to a halt."
{Socialism is on the rise, and the world is in recession or depression. Not a coincidence.}
Read more: http://www.gfmag....inM30tvT
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ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 25, 2013
The US was the number 1 in standard of living 30 year ago it is in about about 10 place now.

30 years ago was 1983. The US was just recovering from a major recession and high inflation. Ronald Regan was president.
i agree, Pee, we need conservatives like Reagan in the White house and congress to improve the US, and world economies.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (3) Oct 25, 2013
According to the Index editors, "The global advance toward economic freedom has ground to a halt."
{Socialism is on the rise, and the world is in recession or depression. Not a coincidence.}
Read more: http://www.gfmag....inM30tvT
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It is a direct result in the excesses in capitalism. Here is another link showing that the revenue raised by capital gains taxes and rates are reduced over the long term.
http://taxfoundat...954-2009

These figures are actual revenue raise not adjusted for inflation.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (4) Oct 25, 2013
The US was the number 1 in standard of living 30 year ago it is in about about 10 place now.

30 years ago was 1983. The US was just recovering from a major recession and high inflation. Ronald Regan was president.
i agree, Pee, we need conservatives like Reagan in the White house and congress to improve the US, and world economies.

What? Reagan raised taxes 8 times, hey I will go along with that as long as the taxes are raised on the people making the big bucks.

I will grant you we have a lot of waste in our government, and the biggest waste is not paying for birth control and abortions. The pay back is 100 to 1.
Pressure2
5 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
I am still waiting for your opinion on inheritance taxes. My opinion is that 50% over 5 million is entirely reasonable.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
"Pee, we need conservatives like Reagan in the White house and congress to improve the US, and world economies." - RyggTard

By borrowing 3 trillion dollars (constant) and putting the U.S. on the road to fiscal insolvency?

Well done Reagan.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
According to the Index editors, "The global advance toward economic freedom has ground to a halt." - RyggTard

Here is a wonderful story of Economic freedom and unfettered Capitalism.

Mom sold her daughters' virginity

"A mother of 14 in Colombia tried to make ends meet, police say, by pushing her daughters into "hell" and selling their virginity for a couple hundred dollars."

Isn't Unregulated Capitalism the best thing ever?

VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 26, 2013
"According to the index of economic freedom" - RyggTard

Stefan Karlsson of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, challenged the usefulness of the index due to the fuzziness of many of the categories used to determine freedom. John Miller roundly criticizes the "Index", writing in Dollars & Sense, "In the hands of the Wall Street Journal and the Heritage Foundation, Washington's foremost right-wing think tank, however, an economic freedom index merely measures corporate and entrepreneurial freedom from accountability. Upon examination, the index turns out to be a poor barometer of either freedom more broadly construed or of prosperity."

The Failings of the Economic Freedom Index

http://www.mises....ily/1724
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 26, 2013
"Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland comprise the 2013 edition's top-five (based on 2012 data.)" - RyggTard

All socialist states.

China has the greatest economic growth and yet appears low on the index.

America which is reasonably high on the index has become a spectacularly obvious economic failure.

The Heritage Foundation's index really measures the freedom of Industry to fire it's workforce lower product quality, and move it's production to low wage nations.

VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
"In the most commonly used sense, economic freedom includes the fundamental right of every human to control his or her own labor and property – to work, produce, trade, consume and invest." - RyggTard

Children are human. So in RyggTard's view children have the right to prostitute themselves, just as adults do, since their rights are equivalent and must be unconstrained.

That is why the Libertarian Party is also known as the Pedo-Party.

VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 26, 2013
"empirical studies have provided overwhelming evidence that economic free
dom and deregulation of markets {aka anti-socialism} have a positive impact on growth and income." - RyggTard

And yet it is the socialist states that have the highest economic growth rates in the world, while the Capitalist state of the U.S. has a very low economic growth rate and is being pushed into a decades long economic depression by Conservatives like RyggTard.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
"Princeton economics professor Uwe E. Reinhardt gives President Obama a letter grade on the roll out:

President Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School. How would he have graded a student's performance on, say, a term paper or test that the professor viewed as "unacceptable," especially when there was "no excuse" for the paper's deficiencies?

One would hope that the grade would have been F, even under modern grade inflation. I certainly would affix that grade to such inexcusably deficient work.
"
http://www.breitb...care-gov
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Oct 26, 2013
"the last year for which data are available, some 108.6 million people received one or more means-tested government benefit programs — bureaucratese for welfare.

Meanwhile, there were just 101.7 million people with full-time jobs, the Census data show, including both the private and government sectors.

This is a real danger for the U.S. — the danger of dependency. Anytime more people are being paid not to work than to work, it imperils our democracy. No one votes to cut his own welfare benefits. So welfare grows.

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VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
RyggTard, posts his ever disconnected from reality nonsense.

The fact is, A free market corporation produced the software that TardieBoy is whining about.

The fact is, that TardieBoy is so self deluded that he refuses to acknowledge that fact.

It is another Failure of American Capitalism.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 26, 2013
"Europe's long-standing social democratic tilt has changed. During recent years, almost all Western European nations have seen a dramatic fall in support for the traditional Social Democratic parties"
"In 1999 the former Swedish social democratic minister of business, Björn Rosengren, famously called Norway "the last Soviet state" due to the lack of willingness to adopt market policies."
"By relying on workfare policies, Sweden has thus gone from having considerably more to quite less dependency on public handouts. "
" But whilst Sweden and Denmark have introduced significant market reforms during recent decades (Denmark recently even ranked slightly above the US in the Heritage/WSJ index of economic freedom), Norway has resisted change. "
http://www.newgeo...emocracy
Sweden and Denmark...market reforms...
VendicarE
4 / 5 (4) Oct 26, 2013
From RyggTard's own link.

"The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work," the study said. "Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states"

Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Tennessee have no minimum to the wages paid to employees.

That is the desired goal of RyggTard, Libertarians, Randites, and TeaPublicans for all of America.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2013
"On Monday, Norwegian voters, by a convincing margin, turned out the socialists and opted for a new, non-socialist government."
"One of the priority areas of the new government is to strengthen Norwegian competitiveness to secure jobs."
"Solberg says the new government will reduce taxes for businesses. They will also reduce the wealth tax and raise the basic allowance. - We will make it more profitable to work, says Conservative Party leader Erna Solberg."
"Jensen says the new government will invest in debureaucratization, renewal and simplification. - We're teaming up with the private sector to relieve public services, says Jensen."
" We want better staffing in health care" {What was wrong with their socialist health care?}
http://www.tnp.no...e-norway
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2013
"Federal officials are trying to figure out why the Bureau of Land Management's first-ever auction of public land for solar-energy development failed to attract any bids."
"Industry officials attributed the auction's failure to uncertainties about the solar energy market and federal regulations."
http://www.foxnew...no-bids/
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2013
"Statistics from the Congressional Research Service released this week show oil production on federal lands and waters dropped 18% between fiscal year 2010 and fiscal year 2012, which ended Sept. 30, 2012. The report shows natural gas production dropped 28% over the same period.

Production on state and private lands, by contrast, is surging. Oil production rose 33% between fiscal years 2010 and 2012 and natural gas production increased 20%, according to the report."
http://online.wsj...26637178
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2013
"Soon after taking office in 1981, Reagan signed into law one of the largest tax cuts in the postwar period.

That legislation -- phased in over three years -- pushed through a 23% across-the-board cut of individual income tax rates. I"
"In 1986, Reagan lowered individual income tax rates again, this time in landmark tax reform legislation."
"Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime," Thorndike said.

The bills didn't raise more revenue by hiking individual income tax rates though. Instead they did it largely through making it tougher to evade taxes, and through "base broadening" -- that is, reducing various federal tax breaks and closing tax loopholes. "
http://money.cnn....s_taxes/
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
From RyggTard's own link....

First of all, it should be clarified that classic "right wing" term does not fit well for Norway's prospective coalition quadro. The biggest of the four parties which will probably make up the government, Conservatives (Høyre) is a more liberal party than a typical right-wing anti-immigrant party. The party has constructed its election campaign on promise of better roads, shorter hospital queues, better health and education system, and less taxation for private enterprises. With all these policy priorities, Høyre is known as a business friendly and liberal bourgeois party.

Poor RyggTard. He just can't seem to get anything right.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
"Industry officials attributed the auction's failure to uncertainties about the solar energy market and federal regulations." - RyggTard

No one cares TardieBoy. America will just keep falling farther, and farther behind the rest of the world until you are a the equivalent of a third world nation.

The world will be better off for it.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
"Soon after taking office in 1981, Reagan signed into law one of the largest tax cuts in the postwar period." - RyggTard

And immediately the U.S. was hit with $750 billion a year (current dollars) deficits that put the U.S. on the road to fiscal collapse.

Thanx Ronnie.

VendicarE
4 / 5 (4) Oct 26, 2013
"the last year for which data are available, some 108.6 million people received one or more means-tested government benefit programs — bureaucratese for welfare." - RyggTard

Which is exactly what your hero Ayn Rand was receiving after years of calling people who receive welfare as vermin and parasites.

Odd that when this was pointed out your fellow Randites claimed that she wasn't receiving welfare.

Good to see you admit that she was, and that you consider your hero, Ayn Rand to be a parasite.

VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
"Statistics from the Congressional Research Service released this week show oil production on federal lands and waters dropped 18% between fiscal year 2010 and fiscal year 2012, which ended Sept. 30, 2012." - RyggTard

Two days ago you dishonestly claimed that Obama had ordered all such production halted.

Now you claim otherwise.

Were you lying then TardieBoy? Or are you lying now?
Pressure2
4 / 5 (4) Oct 26, 2013
"the last year for which data are available, some 108.6 million people received one or more means-tested government benefit programs — bureaucratese for welfare.

Meanwhile, there were just 101.7 million people with full-time jobs, the Census data show, including both the private and government sectors.

This is a real danger for the U.S. — the danger of dependency. Anytime more people are being paid not to work than to work, it imperils our democracy. No one votes to cut his own welfare benefits. So welfare grows.

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You and your kind are to blame nearly all of this. After all you fight birth control and government paid abortion at the federal and state level.
There is an old say you reap what you sow.
Pressure2
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
"On Monday, Norwegian voters, by a convincing margin, turned out the socialists and opted for a new, non-socialist government."
"One of the priority areas of the new government is to strengthen Norwegian competitiveness to secure jobs."
"Solberg says the new government will reduce taxes for businesses. They will also reduce the wealth tax and raise the basic allowance. - We will make it more profitable to work, says Conservative Party leader Erna Solberg."
"Jensen says the new government will invest in debureaucratization, renewal and simplification. - We're teaming up with the private sector to relieve public services, says Jensen."
" We want better staffing in health care" {What was wrong with their socialist health care?}
http://www.tnp.no...e-norway

Norway can easily afford this after all they are one of the richest countries in the world.
Norway Heats Up as Wealth Fund Nears $1 Trillion: Nordic Credit ...
Pressure2
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
The US is nearly broke because of its 35 year trade deficit amounting to about 10 trillion dollars.
That has cost the US about 7 million jobs. So now these people need welfare and your help Rygg2. Oh, by the way your health care policies and constant efforts to defund Planned Parenthood has added to the problems facing the US today also.
You reap what you sow, the chickens are coming home to roost.
djr
4 / 5 (1) Oct 26, 2013
Vendi: "Now you claim otherwise."

I hope you are not shocked Vendi!!!
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2013
35 year trade deficit

Trade deficits don't matter.
Govt debt, does.
"Foreign trade "deficits" and government budget deficits are entirely different concepts. Foreign trade deficits and investment surpluses result from voluntary market exchanges of goods, services, and assets; government budget deficits arise from government spending financed by fiscal and monetary policies that government coercion imposes on individuals in the society. And unlike foreign trade deficits financed by foreign investment surpluses, government budget deficits really do generate debt (either interest-paying bonds or non-interest-paying money) that will be financed by coercion (taxation or some sort of default). Compared with trade deficits, there is less assurance that government budget deficits are benign."

Read more: http://www.fee.or...iqjH4AJR

ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2013
"If the Tofte workers lose their jobs, they will join the
growing ranks of Norway's unemployed. The number of jobless
risen to an eight-year high of nearly 100,000, although its 3.5
percent rate is much lower than Sweden's 8.2 percent."
"The housing market has stagnated and bankruptcies rose by
31.9 percent in May from a year earlier. Mainland exports to
Europe are down 2 percent in the first five months and
manufacturing exports have fallen 13 percent."
"The Conservatives, led by Erna Solberg, promise to help the
economy by cutting taxes, reducing the size of government and
easing regulation but they are clearly not promising a spending
spree to boost growth."
http://articles.c...g-market
The conservatives won in Norway.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
"Trade deficits don't matter." - RyggTard

"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." - Republican Vice President Dick Cheney.

ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Oct 26, 2013
"Again, I'd love to sign myself and my family up for ObamaCare—it will save us hundreds of dollars a month in premiums compared with the individual coverage we now have through Regence BlueCross. And it promises to give us much better coverage, thanks to the increased competition the exchanges offer in the individual insurance market.

That's how free-market forces are supposed to work. Too bad the exchanges were built and run by people who are not subject to those free-market forces."
http://online.wsj...28710134
Pressure2
3.8 / 5 (4) Oct 26, 2013
Rygg2, a trade deficit in a country is when it consumes MORE than it produces in goods and services.

If that doesn't matter for a country why should it matter for a family? Hey let the welfare rolls grow, they are just consuming more than they are producing, Rygg2 says that's no problem.

Pressure2
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 26, 2013
"Again, I'd love to sign myself and my family up for ObamaCare—it will save us hundreds of dollars a month in premiums compared with the individual coverage we now have through Regence BlueCross. And it promises to give us much better coverage, thanks to the increased competition the exchanges offer in the individual insurance market.

That's how free-market forces are supposed to work. Too bad the exchanges were built and run by people who are not subject to those free-market forces."
http://online.wsj...28710134

The health care companies trying to sell you their policies are subject to free market forces. Man where have you been?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
subject to free market forces

Free market forces are not free if they are coerced by the state.

consumes MORE than it produces in goods and services.

That's impossible.
"The balance of payments accounts of a country record the payments and receipts of the residents of the country in their transactions with residents of other countries. If all transactions are included, the payments and receipts of each country are, and must be, equal."
http://www.econli...nts.html
let the welfare rolls grow,

That is what a socialist state needs, dependents. But they can only grow until the state runs out of other people's money.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
Pee likes mercantilism.
"Mercantilism is economic nationalism for the purpose of building a wealthy and powerful state. Adam Smith coined the term "mercantile system" to describe the system of political economy that sought to enrich the country by restraining imports and encouraging exports. This system dominated western European economic thought and policies from the sixteenth to the late eighteenth century. The goal of these policies was, supposedly, to achieve a "favorable" balance of trade that would bring gold and silver into the country."
http://www.econli...nts.html
'Economic nationalism' sounds like the great grandfather of Fascism.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
AGWism/socialism gets soooo complicated....
"The country's hospitals were also affected. The Herald Sun reports that Victoria provincial hospitals spent an extra $6.1 million in energy costs in just six months due to the carbon tax. The carbon tax made up 8-22 percent of the hospitals' total energy costs.

Read more: http://dailycalle...iryceyYb
kochevnik
2 / 5 (11) Oct 26, 2013
Pee likes mercantilism.
"Mercantilism is economic nationalism for the purpose of building a wealthy and powerful state. Adam Smith coined the term "mercantile system" to describe the system of political economy that sought to enrich the country by restraining imports and encouraging exports. This system dominated western European economic thought and policies from the sixteenth to the late eighteenth century. The goal of these policies was, supposedly, to achieve a "favorable" balance of trade that would bring gold and silver into the country."
http://www.econli...nts.html
'Economic nationalism' sounds like the great grandfather of Fascism.
From wikipedia comes ryggie's ideal system: "Reverse-mercantilism is an economic system which strives to increase corporate wealth and monopoly by some corporate entities while regulating, taxing and controlling borders (blocking outsourcing and creating tariffs) for all competitors
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
"Obamacare does not allow Americans to buy any health insurance product they want. {This is NOT FREE trade}It compels us under penalty of law to buy very specific plans. They must include maternity, contraception and pediatric coverage, for instance. That makes no sense for young, single men, male retirees or couples who have surgically rendered themselves incapable of reproduction. But all must pay for that coverage or be, in the word of Shaheen and Kuster, penalized."
http://www.unionl.../opinion
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
monopoly by some corporate entities while regulating, taxing and controlling borders (blocking outsourcing and creating tariffs) for all competitors


This describes socialism, state control of private property.
As you all should know, I do not support socialism and wonder why so many here do.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
"The country's top computer experts in Silicon Valley are mortified that the federal government can waste at least $400 million building an Obamacare website that is so terrible.

According to New York magazine, "one tech worker quipped that a Stanford computer-science class could have built healthcare.gov for a thousandth of the reported $400 million–plus budget."

Matt Mullenweg, the co-developer of WordPress, said the Canadian firm that oversaw the healthcare.gov website received "more money than all the revenue of most Silicon Valley start-ups combined.""
http://www.breitb...mpetence
kochevnik
2 / 5 (12) Oct 26, 2013
monopoly by some corporate entities while regulating, taxing and controlling borders (blocking outsourcing and creating tariffs) for all competitors


This describes socialism, state control of private property.
As you all should know, I do not support socialism and wonder why so many here do.
No, reverse mercantilism is EXACTLY the system you desire. You're crafty in that you never actually describe your ideal system directly. But from your posts copied from some libertarian search engine, we can eliminate all other systems. Stop trying to change the subject as all conservatives do. Admit you embrace corporatism and rent seeking as did many economists in the 17th century
djr
5 / 5 (2) Oct 26, 2013
Kochevnik: " You're crafty in that you never actually describe your ideal system directly"

You have pegged Ryggy perfectly Kochevnik. Ryggy copies and pastes from right wing media lies - but will never take responsibility for an original thought. There is no pure free enterprise system, just as there is no pure socialist system. All economies are mixes - to one degree or another. When left unchecked - the capitalist system is capable of great evil - just as the centralized system is. So we must deal with the world as it is - and try to formulate a middle ground - allowing as much free enterprise as possible - but with a level of oversight. America clearly has not come close to finding that balance - we have a corporately owned government - that regulates our world - to the detriment of individual liberty, and the enrichment of corporate megawealth Ryggy has no original thoughts - so don't look in that direction for any solutions.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 26, 2013
ou never actually describe your ideal system


I am not a socialist and have no ideal system like the socialists dream of and have written about. Utopia is one of the socialist's fantasies.
corporately owned government

Not really. It is really socialism. One example is a 'milker' bill.
""there is not a lot of money to be made by fixing problems."

"You gotta create fear in the mind of a powerful industry or constituency group," Schweizer said.

He obliterated Obama's White House for using a "double milker bill" in which the White House used the Stop Online Privacy Act to pit two powerful industries—Hollywood and Silicon Valley—against each other. "
http://www.breitb...onations
Microsoft learned the hard way under Clinton.
When the state can control private property via its Regulatory State, it's called Fascism.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
"Washington, D.C. runs "just like the mob, except it's legal," said Schweizer.
"http://www.breitb...-s-Legal
Bastiat called it 'legal plunder' in The Law written decades ago.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
"A careful examination of the policies pursued by the Obama administration and his allies in Congress shows that their agenda is corporatist. For example, the health care bill that recently passed does not establish a Canadian-style government-run single-payer health care system. Instead, it relies on mandates forcing every American to purchase private health insurance or pay a fine. It also includes subsidies for low-income Americans and government-run health care "exchanges." Contrary to the claims of the proponents of the health care bill, large insurance and pharmaceutical companies were enthusiastic supporters of many provisions of this legislation because they knew in the end their bottom lines would be enriched by Obamacare.

Similarly, Obama's "cap-and-trade" legislation provides subsidies and specials privileges to large businesses that engage in "carbon trading." This is why large corporations, such as General Electric support cap-and-trade."
Ron Paul
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
Paul tries to be more precise, using corporatism instead of the more general socialism.
http://archive.le...665.html

I understand his point as the socialists here seem to believe corporatism is some variant of capitalism, which it is clearly not.

This is why Mises went to great lengths to clearly and painstakingly define his terms defining the many faces of socialism in his book "Socialism". That definition is essentially state control of private property.

Before Mises, Bastiat describe socialism quite well in "The Law" and what the legitimate functions of any government were.

The bottom line for all socialists is power. They want the power to force others to live the way they think you should live.
In a free market capitalist system, with Bastiat's legitimate, limited govt, no one can use legitimate force to dictate to others how to live. No business can force anyone to work for them or to buy their products.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
"The so-called planned economy (Planwirtschaft) is a more recent variety of Socialism."
"The Socialism of the planned economy is distinguished from the State Socialism of the Prussian State under the Hohenzollerns chiefly by the fact that the privileged position in business control and in the distribution of income, which the latter allotted to the Junkers and the bureaucrats, is here assigned to the ci-devant entrepreneur."
"a new word has been found for that which was covered by the expression "planned economy": State Capitalism, and no doubt in the future many more proposals for the salvaging of Socialism will be brought forward. We shall learn many new names for the same old thing. But the thing, not its names, is what matters, and all schemes of this sort will not alter the nature of Socialism."
http://mises.org/...h15.aspx
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 26, 2013
"The impracticability of Socialism is the result of intellectual, not moral, incapacity. Socialism could not achieve its end, because a socialist economy could not calculate value. Even angels, if they were endowed only with human reason, could not form a socialistic community."
"Yet the socialist idea is nothing but a grandiose rationalization of petty resentments. Not one of its theories can withstand scientific criticism and all its deductions are ill-founded. Its conception of the capitalist economy has long been seen to be false; its plan of a future social order proves to be inwardly contradictory, and therefore impracticable. Not only would Socialism fail to make economic life more rational, it would abolish social cooperation outright."
http://mises.org/...h33.aspx
This is all from the 1951 Yale edition.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Oct 26, 2013
"Rygg2, a trade deficit in a country is when it consumes MORE than it produces in goods and services." - Pressure

RyggTard's Response - "That's impossible."

And yet the American people have been consuming more than they produce since Reagan came to office and enacted Libertarian Trade policies that caused huge flows of U.S. money out of America in the form of Trade Deficits.

The following chart shows that under Liberal Presidents, trade deficits shrink. Under Republican Presidents they grow.

http://investing....icit.jpg

Poor RyggTard.. It must be lonely living in that fantasy universe that you have created for yourself.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Oct 26, 2013
"The impracticability of Socialism is the result of intellectual, not moral, incapacity. " - RyggTard

Is that why the majority of the worlds scientists are Socialists?

Poor, Pathetic, RyggTard.... If only it had the capacity to think for itself.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Oct 26, 2013
"Even angels, if they were endowed only with human reason, could not form a socialistic community." - RyggTard

And yet Christ preached Socialism. The entire New Testament is a Socialist document.

Somehow I doubt if Angels carry wallets and use ATM machines, or work at day jobs producing trinkets for the purpose of increasing the profits of netherworld corporations.

Tell us more about the Capitalism of Heaven, Tardieboy.

We want to hear more of your entertaining hallucination.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 27, 2013
5 Reasons Capitalism Has Failed

The modern world is ruled by multinational corporations and governed by a capitalistic ideology that believes: Corporations are a special breed of people, motivated solely by self-interest. Corporations seek to maximize return on capital by leveraging productivity and paying the least possible amount for taxes and labor.

VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 27, 2013
First, global corporations are too big. We're living in the age of corporate dinosaurs. (The largest multinational is JP Morgan Chase with assets of $2 Trillion, 240,000 employees, and offices in 100 countries.) The original dinosaurs perished because their huge bodies possessed tiny brains. Modern dinosaurs are failing because their massive bureaucracies possess minuscule hearts.

Since the Reagan era global corporations have followed the path of least resistance to profit; they've swallowed up their competitors and created monopolies, which have produced humongous bureaucracies. In the short-term, scale helps corporations grow profitable, but in the long-term it makes them inflexible and difficult to manage. Gigantism creates a culture where workers are encouraged to take enormous risks in order to create greater profits; it's based upon the notion that the corporation is "too big to fail."

VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 27, 2013
Second, global corporations disdain civil society. They've created a culture of organizational narcissism, where workers pledge allegiance to the enterprise. Corporate employees live in a bubble, where they log obscene hours and then vacation with their co-workers. Multinationals develop their own code of ethics and worldview separate from that of any national state. Corporate executives don't care about the success or failure of any particular country, only the growth and profitability of their global corporation. (Many large corporations pay no U.S. income tax; in 2009 Exxon Mobil actually got a $156 M rebate.)
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 27, 2013
Third, global corporations are modern outlaws, living outside the law. There is no invisible hand that regulates multinationals. In 1759 Philosopher Adam Smith argued that while wealthy individuals and corporations were motivated by self interest, an "invisible hand" was operating in the background ensuring that capitalist activities ultimately benefited society. In modern times this concept became the basis for the pronouncements of the Chicago School of Economics that markets were inherently self regulating. However, the last five years have demonstrated that there is no "invisible hand" -- unregulated markets have spelled disaster for the average person. The "recovery" of 2009-10 ensured that "too big to fail" institutions would survive and the rich would continue to be rich. Meanwhile millions of good jobs were either eliminated or replaced by low-wage jobs with poor or no benefits.

VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 27, 2013
Fourth, global corporations are ruining our natural capital. Four of the top 10 multinational corporations are energy companies, with Exxon Mobil leading the list. But there are many indications that our oil reserves are gone. Meanwhile, other forms of natural capital have been depleted -- arable land, water, minerals, forests, fish, and so forth. Multinational corporations have treated the environment as a free resource. When the timberlands of North America began to be depleted, lumber corporations moved to South America and then Asia. Now, the "easy pickings" are gone. Global corporations have ravished the world and citizens of every nation live with the consequences: dirty air, foul water, and pollution of every sort.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Oct 27, 2013
Fifth, global corporations have angered the world community. The world GDP is $63 Trillion but multinational corporations garner a disproportionate share -- with banks accounting for an estimated $4 trillion (bank assets are $100 trillion). Global black markets make $2 trillion -- illegal drugs account for at least $300 billion. In many parts of the world, a worker is not able to earn a living wage, have a bank account or drive a car, but can always obtain drugs, sex, and weapons. And while the world may not be one big village in terms of lifestyle, it shares an image of "the good life" that's proffered in movies, TV, and the Internet. That's what teenagers in Afghanistan have in common with teenagers in England; they've been fed the same image of success in the global community and they know it's inaccessible. They are angry and, ultimately, their anger has the same target -- multinational corporations (and the governments that support them).

http://www.altern...ge=0%2C1
djr
5 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
Ryggy states "The bottom line for all socialists is power."

I agree. The bottom line for politicians is power. The bottom line for corporations is power. The bottom line for dictators is power. Does any one believe that Ted Cruz is an altruist - who just wants what is best for the collective?

The point then becomes - 'how do we construct a system that creates a fair world - that protects us from the power seekers?

I see nothing in Ryggy's rantings that comes close to answering this question. Ryggy just cuts and pastes from the right wing media. Yeah right - Rush Limbaugh is an altruist who is not interested in power.

There are mechanisms that counterbalance excessive power. A free press, a highly educated populace, a transparent political system, a small government, low regulation, etc. Kochevnik had Ryggy pegged perfectly. Original thought is going to move us forward - not spamming the internet with cutting and pasting.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 27, 2013
how do we construct a system that creates a fair world - that protects us from the power seekers

Limit the power of the state and create checks on that power.
A free press,

What if that press becomes the propaganda arm of the state?
highly educated populace

What do you do when the teacher's unions are in the tank for the socialists?

I have stated many times where I stand. I start with the axiom stated in the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —"
Socialist cant' accept that that the state derives its power from the CONSENT of the governed.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 27, 2013
The bottom line for corporations is power.

No, it is profit.
Does any one believe that Ted Cruz is an altruist - who just wants what is best for the collective?

Does anyone believe this of any politician? Especially BHO?
But Ted Cruz is one of the few politicians who is at least referring to and supporting the US Constitution's limits on the power of the state.
The problem with dj statement, "how do we construct a system that creates a fair world - that protects us from the power seekers " is that 'fair' is in they eye of the beholder, and he must be willing to use power he claims to want to limit, to make a 'fair world'.
Read Bastiat's The Law. He addressed the issue quite well. dj can't have his cake and eat it too. Power cannot make the world 'fair'. Power can only be used make the world less unfair. Bastiat calls it 'preventing injustice'.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 27, 2013
"The question that Bastiat deals with: how to tell when a law is unjust or when the law maker has become a source of law breaking? When the law becomes a means of plunder it has lost its character of genuine law. When the law enforcer is permitted to do with others' lives and property what would be illegal if the citizens did them, the law becomes perverted.
"Away with their social laboratories, their governmental whims, their centralization, their tariffs, their universities, their State religions, their inflationary or monopolizing banks, their limitations, their restrictions, their moralizations, and their equalization by taxation! And now, after having vainly inflicted upon the social body so many systems, let them end where they ought to have begun — reject all systems, and try of liberty — liberty, which is an act of faith in God and in His work."
http://mises.org/document/2731
And this is where atheists like dj tunes out, he has no faith, and science proves socialism fails.
ryggesogn2
1.2 / 5 (13) Oct 27, 2013
"The latest iteration of Democrats-on-the-cross works like this: Obamacare hasn't delivered the big savings promised by the president -- $2,500 annually for the average family -- because Democrats ditched the single-payer model to mollify Republicans."
"The Affordable Care Act did not win a single Republican vote on the House or Senate floor. If Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi abandoned single-payer to win GOP votes, they are the most incompetent negotiators in history."
"if liberals have to fish for a 1989 Heritage Foundation policy paper that had no Republican support in 2008, 2009 or 2012 to establish Republican paternity for the Affordable Care Act, that tells you one thing: They think Obamacare won't work. "
http://www.realcl...464.html
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (12) Oct 27, 2013
"So why is it that the technology available to Mr. Obama as president doesn't compare to the technology he used to win an election? Much of the problem has to do with the way the government buys things. The government has to follow a code called the Federal Acquisition Regulation, which is more than 1,800 pages of legalese that all but ensure that the companies that win government contracts, like the ones put out to build HealthCare.gov, are those that can navigate the regulations best, but not necessarily do the best job. "

{This is the intent of federal regulations, and why big companies support them, to restrict competition."}

"So the problem is too many government regulations. But what do they imagine ObamaCare is, if not a massive set of new regulations? If a mere 1,800 pages of federal procurement regulations cause 94% of federal IT projects to fail—how about the 2,000-plus pages of the Affordable Care Act? "
http://www.realcl...e/2013/1
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 27, 2013
" 1,800 pages of regulation is too much for us IT guys to deal with—but go ahead and load the regulations onto insurers and hospitals and doctors. It sums up a lot of the hypocrisy and thoughtlessness of Silicon Valley types who prosper in one of our economy's least regulated industries—and then go out and advocate for big government to ride herd on everyone else. Their creed is: regulations for thee but not for me.
"we imagine that software is a kind of magic—all the more so if it's software we've never actually experienced. We expect it to be effortless. We don't think about how it got there or what its limitations might be."
{Like the limits of AGW models?}
http://www.realcl...dex.html

And the irony is that you would think tech guys would know better, because they know the actual work required to make a complicated system run well. "
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 27, 2013
" the basic premise of his economics is to view the production of wealth as the equivalent of a nonexistent science-fiction gadget which has the convenient characteristic of making material goods materialize out of nothing at whim. And he thinks we're "probably there" right now.

This invocation of the Star Trek replicator reminds me of Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." We're going to have to add Tracinski's Corollary to Clarke's Laws: "Any sufficiently advanced economy is indistinguishable—in the minds of the left—from magic.""
"in Atlas Shrugged, for whom production is a magical process which happens through mysterious means, whose proceeds they can redistribute at whim. Which is an indication of why Atlas Shrugged is still as relevant as ever."
http://thefederal...onomics/
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 27, 2013
Capitalism, unlike socialism, does not depend up altruism of anyone. Note that dj seem obsessed that the motives of Ted Cruz were not altruistic.
As Adam Smith, and many others after him, noted that people act in their self-interest, just like every other life form on the planet.
Socialists, as Bastiat noted, expect the motive of the legislator to be angelic and those subject to the legislator to be base. Immediately the socialist assumes they are pure and the masses that need their control are base. I have heard this excuse from many socialists when a socialist system collapses. The leader was corrupted. Lord Acton, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Capitalism, is robust because it accepts the nature of individuals, they will act in their self-interest. The only function of the state is to protect the lives, liberty and property of all individuals.
Societies without states police themselves: http://explorersf...139.html
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 27, 2013
"I once had a person leave a message on my home answering machine telling me how he was going to come to my house, tie me up, cut off my eye lids, and force me to watch as he raped and murdered my family."

"I feel sorry for people so wrapped up in politics they have to make a jackass of themselves on a street corner to someone they don't know or show up in a drive way to look menacing."
"I fear that because of these people, their hatred for me, and the world's hatred for God Almighty, that my children might decide it is a far better path through life to find an accommodation with the world than have the world hate them "
http://www.breitb.../My-Fear
Compromise with evil and evil wins. Ayn Rand.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 27, 2013
"But so great is the mythological terror evoked by the word "private" in conjunction with "health" among politicians that any attempt to break that monopoly and bring health care out of the wartime era of command economy rationing must be denied and abandoned before it is even properly explained. This cowardice on the part of the entire governing class is largely generated by the extraordinarily effective propaganda of vested interests such as the health service unions "

http://www.telegr...bay.html
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 27, 2013
"170 employees at Hatfield's Ferry Power Station, a coal-fired electrical power plant, arrived at 7 a.m. last week for their regular shift and walked out an hour later for the last time, because the cost of retrofitting the plant to meet federal emission regulations made operations impossible.

If ever a region could be described as "tea party country," this would be it. Branded as "bitter" during the Democrats' 2008 presidential primary, its born-Democrat residents were drawn into the fiercely independent tea party movement in 2009 by public anger over government spending."
"Observed Paul Mountain, a truck driver from nearby Monongahela: "I don't know enough about Cruz to be skeptical of his motives. The one thing I do like about him is that he does speak up for us."
{'Liberals' don't speak for him.}
http://www.realcl...467.html
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 27, 2013
170 employees at Hatfield's Ferry Power Station, a coal-fired electrical power plant, arrived at 7 a.m. last week for their regular shift and walked out an hour later for the last time, because the cost of retrofitting the plant to meet federal emission regulations made operations impossible." - RyggTard

Excellent. The environmental and health costs of burning coal is far too high.

RyggTard provides a fine example of why government regulation is beneficial.

If Regulation hadn't closed that plant, then the marketplace would have kept it spewing it's poison into the air for many more years to come, with the result not only of a despoiled environment, but with the death of thousands of people from it's pollution, and through the continued warming of the planet through it's CO2 emissions.

Well Done Tardieboy. You have provided yet another example that proves the exact opposite of the nonsense you are trying to claim.

What a moron....

VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
"If ever a region could be described as "tea party country," this would be it." - RyggTard

This too is very good news.

Splitting the Republican party will give the Democrats to pull America out of the mess that the Republicans have left it in.
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
"But so great is the mythological terror evoked by the word "private" in conjunction with "health" among politicians" - RyggTard

Keeping Americans cowering in their closets is the primary tool used by Republicans.

Where are those Iraqi WMD again, TardieBoy?

As always... You are arguing against your own position.

What a Moron.....
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
"Compromise with evil and evil wins." - RyggTrad quoting Ayn Rand.

One of Ayn Rand's best friends and a collaborator in her writing was a prison convict whom she described as a "moral superman".

He was imprisoned for kidnapping and raping, and then murdering a pre-teen girl, cutting off her legs to get better access to her genitals, and then trying to ransom off the body to the father of the girl who thought she was still alive.

After the ransom had been paid, Ayn Rand's good friend dumped the body of the girl on the street in front of the father.
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
"Capitalism, unlike socialism, does not depend up altruism of anyone." - RyggTard

That is why it is a failure.

Consult your bible for more details, Tardieboy...

VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
Regarding Atlas Shrugged - "the basic premise of his economics is to view the production of wealth as the equivalent of a nonexistent science-fiction gadget which has the convenient characteristic of making material goods materialize out of nothing at whim." - RyggyTard

Science tells us that nothing can materialize out of nothing, and yet this assumption - stated clearly above - is the basis for the economic principles held by Randites, Libertarians and most Republicans.

More generally stated these fools actually believe that there are no externalities to production or consumption, or the disposal of material goods and services. Those real costs are simply excluded from their accounting ledger.

If a corporation needs to rid itself of chemical x, then just dump it in the local river.

Zero cost to them, and on the accounting ledger there is no associated cost to the environment.

The same is true for burning coal. Just dump the effluent into the air. Zero cost for disposal.
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
Zero cost of disposal for the company but great cost to the environment and to the populace who breathe the pollution.

In a universe devoid of life - except the bean counter in the corporation who decides to dump it's pollution into the environment, I grant that the bean counter responsible is free to do whatever he wants.

However in a world filled with people and other living things, which by necessity and morality must also be afforded rights, the bean counter's wishes must be moderated by some body that acts in the collective interests of everyone else.

That body is known as government.

Poor RyggTard. He is living on planet Libertoon in the universe known as mental disease.
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 27, 2013
"So why is it that the technology available to Mr. Obama as president doesn't compare to the technology he used to win an election?" - RyggTard

Clearly it is.

The real question, is why Conservatives like RyggTard are blaming this perceived failure on Obama when clearly it is a corporate failure.

In the last few election cycles in the U.S. we learned that Americans can't count.

Now we learn that they can't produce web sites either. No doubt because they can't count.

VendicarE
4 / 5 (4) Oct 27, 2013
"1,800 pages of regulation is too much for us IT guys to deal with—but go ahead and load the regulations onto insurers and hospitals and doctors" - RyggTard

The HTML specification is at least that long.
I have at least 1800 pages of C documentation
Then another 1800 pages for C++

Then there is Java, Python, Ruby, etc... etc... Etc...

I regularly see businesses demanding years of expertise in all of those languages from prospective IT employees.

RyggTard is just whining.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Oct 28, 2013
"Universities are cutting back on adjunct professors' work hours to comply with Obamacare–an unfortunate wake up call for some liberal academics who supported the law.

Read more: http://dailycalle...j24ZzsfU
goracle
1 / 5 (11) Oct 28, 2013
Jesus H Christ! These jobs were never designed for people to "make a living" doing them. They are entry level jobs designed for students and retirees and people who want, or need additional income.

Had the economy been allowed to recover from the housing bubble and resulting recession, instead of being prolonged by the Obama administration, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the democrats are going to made as many citizens dependent upon the government as they can. Because that is the only way they will maintain electoral success.

The democrats have truly become the the party of the Patrón and Peon.

In Shootists odd universe, retired people somehow don't need a living wage, because everyone has a comfy pension.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 29, 2013
"You know things are bad for President Barack Obama when New York Magazine, no bastion of conservatism, is producing videos pointing out your lies.

As many Americans who like their health-care plans are learning they can't keep their health-care plans, the White House is trying to spin the president's oft-repeated promise as something other than an outright lie. But their argument isn't winning over many people, including New York Magazine."

Read more: http://dailycalle...j9wdhQ8i
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Oct 30, 2013
"House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer conceded to reporters today that Democrats knew people would not be able to keep their current health care plans under Obamacare and expressed qualified contrition for President Obama's repeated vows to the contrary.

"We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage," Hoyer said in response to a question from National Review."
http://www.nation...n-strong
Obama lies,my health care dies.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2013
"In June 2012, the president made that his first point in comments on the Supreme Court's decision affirming the law. "First, if you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance — this law will only make it more secure and more affordable," he said."
http://www.latime...jDTKJNs0
freethinking
1 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2013
Here is a big question.... when Obama was rolling out Obmacare.... Physorg had a lot of articles saying how wonderful it will be..... now that Obamacare is a disaster... you can hear the crickets chirping.....Is Physorg bias just like the main stream media??????? Naa can't be
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Oct 30, 2013
""When you can't consent, the law says we only treat you when it's in your best interests," said Penney Lewis, a professor and medical law expert at King's College London. She said British courts have previously ruled that preserving life is not the primary consideration and that judges must weigh whether treatment would have any benefit for the patient, even if it doesn't cure them."
http://hosted.ap....07-25-07
Would the NHS pull the plug on a royal family member?
djr
5 / 5 (1) Oct 30, 2013
Free: "Is Physorg bias just like the main stream media"

No - physorg is not bias - it is a web site that passes on information.

However - if I thought it was bias - I would not spend any time on it. I would move to other sites (like MIT technology review) - that give me the news that I am interested in. It is a sad reflection on you - that you have concluded that this site is bias - but you continue to harass us with your bollocks. Why not move on?
freethinking
1 / 5 (11) Oct 30, 2013
Hey Obama's lie is very apparent to me.... I got one of those letters..... but hey if you talk to a Democrat it's not that I'm losing insurance... I'm being transitioned to having worse insurance at a higher cost.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2013
it is a web site that passes on information.

I would not spend any time on it.

Not much evidence to support a no bias claim.
It would support a claim the physorg and dj share the same bias.
djr
not rated yet Oct 30, 2013
Ryggy "It would support a claim the physorg and dj share the same bias." I do not believe Physorg has a bias (other than perhaps pro science and technology). But I am smart enough to be consistent in my life - and polite enough not to troll the internet looking for sites that I believe are bias - and then harassing the site.

Which leaves the unanswered question - why do you two waste your day posting to a site that you believe is bias. Does that not make the two of you both rude, and ignorant?
Gawad
not rated yet Oct 30, 2013
It's o.k djr, they just have to be brought into the 20th century kicking and screaming. It's the only way guys like FreeFromThinking and Marjon can move forward on anything. (If they can move forward at all.) And yeah, they'll try to claim this isn't progress, but that's just more kicking and screaming on their part. (I mean seriously, only RyggyMarj could trun a burger thread into 300+ post rant. That's a lot of kicking and screaming :^)
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Oct 30, 2013
How is more socialism 'progress' when data shows state central planning always fails to produce the advertised results?
The results produced are what is happening now with Obamacare and what is happening with ALL centrally planned systems.
All centrally planned healthcare system costs are rising and service is being rationed.
More state coercion over your life is progress?
djr
5 / 5 (1) Oct 30, 2013
Thanks Gawad - yes progress is slow - and in some cases non existent - you are correct.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (11) Oct 30, 2013
Define 'progress'.
After all, it is a subjective term poorly suited to a science based site.
""The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." "
'Progress' for capitalism is to expand the sharing of blessings while 'progress' for socialism is expanding the sharing of miseries.
Gawad
not rated yet Oct 30, 2013
How is more socialism 'progress' when data shows state central planning always fails to produce the advertised results?
The results produced are what is happening now with Obamacare and what is happening with ALL centrally planned systems.
All centrally planned healthcare system costs are rising and service is being rationed.
More state coercion over your life is progress?


"state central planning" always fails, "central planning always fails", "central planning", "central planning","central planning" blah, blah, and more blah....seriously Ryggy?

Yeah, but Enron really delivered, eh? Just like your private armies will, right?

Ryggy, your slavish obsession to your -isms, abdication of autonomous thought and selection bias/disconnection from reality are just way too obvious from that post alone.

I just don't get how you can think anyone can take you seriously.

Gotta be organic brain damage. Have you ever had a major accident involving a windshield?
Gawad
not rated yet Oct 30, 2013
Define 'progress'.


Define "define".

"Progress' for capitalism is to expand the sharing of blessings while 'progress' for socialism is expanding the sharing of miseries."

Yawn. Sorry, thought you were talking about Wall Street.
freethinking
1 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2013
djr, the main stream media and phys org only pass on information that suites their agenda, which is Pro Obama, Pro Progressive thought.

How many times has small groups of Progressives grabbed media headlines while large groups of conservatives don't even get mentioned.

ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2013
Enron really delivered

Are you implying Enron was an example of capitalism? If so, you are quite wrong. Enron is an fine example of crony 'capitalism'. Enron pushed for the Kyoto treaty to be passed so they would benefit from natural gas sales. This is called 'political entrepreneurship' where companies lobby for special favors from the state. This is another form of socialism in that the Regulatory state has the power to grant such favors and special treatment, like 'loans' to Solyndra, and forcing GM to shut down the Pontiac division. Socialism-state control of private property.
Wall Street is a big donor to anyone in power since the state controls the banking system.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2013
""Historically, centrally-planned economies don't work. The Soviets had a plan for this much steel and this much concrete and it had no response to what was out there in the market and they overproduced. So, they had a lot of production numbers and they had an economy that was unworkable. Here these people are deciding if you're a single male in your 60s, you don't need the maternal care, you don't — you've never smoked dope, you don't need the substance abuse stuff. You want a catastrophic plan which is very rational, but Jay Carney is saying, you know, 'you're too stupid to understand what you want.' Once you eliminate the market response, which is a lot of people decide I know what I want better than the bureaucrat and they're eliminating this. That's the essence of what's happening and that's why it's not going to work.""
http://blog.acton...ies.html
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2013
"Progressives use the Utopian dream of taking care of every American's needs (for cheaper, no less!) – a noble and honorable goal – as a weapon to bludgeon their political opponents with. Questions about costs, effects on doctors' pay, the quality of care patients receive, and the like are trivial matters for "experts" on panels and commissions to figure out after-the-fact.

The important thing in America 2013 is to sound good in front of a camera and feel good about your political intentions.

Unfortunately, this is how civilizations crumble from within."
http://blog.acton...ter.html
"A new provision under Obamacare will fine tax-exempt hospitals via the Internal Revenue Service:"
http://blog.acton...are.html
djr
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 30, 2013
Free: "djr, the main stream media and phys org only pass on information that suites their agenda, which is Pro Obama, Pro Progressive thought."

I disagree with you - and think that you are paranoid - however - you still refuse to answer the question - If you think Physorg is so evil - why not move on and let us alone?

It is interesting to me. You and Ryggy both wear your religion on your shoulder - want us to be impressed that you are such good Christians - and then publicly behave so rude and ignorant. How do you square that?
djr
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 30, 2013
Ryggy: "define progress"

It should not be a surprise to me that you do not understand such a frequently used word. I will give you examples. Antibiotics are progress. Cell phones are progress. The internet is progress. Nuclear power is progress. Do you get the gist?
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Oct 30, 2013
But dir.... You have to understand that to RyggTard, taking America back to pre-antibiotic times of the horse and buggy is progress.

Amakah neezen to gets back tooz er merakahn heritage, and such like.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Oct 30, 2013
"Progressives use the Utopian dream of taking care of every American's needs" - RyggTard

How dare they... How dare they....

VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Oct 30, 2013
"Historically, centrally-planned economies don't work." - RyggTard

Computer control may change that. But then I don't know anyone who proposes a centrally-planned economy.

Can you name anyone who does, TardieBoy?
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Oct 30, 2013
""Universities are cutting back on adjunct professors' work hours to comply with Obamacare" - RyggTard

No, TardieBoy. they are doing this, and you have provided no evidence that they are, , they are doing it to save money.

If you are going to lie, about their motivations you should be more precise.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2013
Ryggy: "define progress"

It should not be a surprise to me that you do not understand such a frequently used word. I will give you examples. Antibiotics are progress. Cell phones are progress. The internet is progress. Nuclear power is progress. Do you get the gist?

So why are economies around the world in decline with so much progress?
If you think Physorg is so evil - why not move on and let us alone?

Compromise with evil and evil wins.
But if you are so sure of your unbiased, scientific perspective you all should be able to handle and challenges, if you are as intelligent as you think you are.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2013
"the same people that push government as the solver of society's problems cannot then imply that the task is too big when government fails to solve those problems. Conversely, those of us who argue that government is too big should be vindicated by these recent events.

If President Barack Obama is as great and smart as his supporters say he is, and even he is caught off-guard when actions within his own administration are unknown to him, is that not a clear sign that he is taking on too much?

Read more: http://dailycalle...jFzcBZWY
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2013
"Wednesday, Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler was unable to find any way to parse President Obama's repeated and relentless reassurance to the American people that if you like your health insurance, ObamaCare will never result in you losing your health insurance. As millions receive cancellation notices, that lie is being laid bare all across the country, and for telling it, President Obama received the full-boat of four Pinocchios:"
"Under the ObamaCare mandated essential benefits, millions are being forced to pay for coverage they neither want nor need. This includes maternity coverage, pediatric services, birth control, and coverage for issues ranging from mental health to drug and alcohol issues.
That is not a "robust" set of benefits for tens of millions. Rather, it is being forced by your government to pay for something that you do not need."
http://www.breitb...eep-plan
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 30, 2013
"from the GOP weekly radio address from September 2009, delivered by Rep. Tom Price: "On the stump, the president regularly tells Americans that 'if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.' But if you read the bill, that just isn't so. For starters, within five years, every health care plan will have to meet a new federal definition for coverage—one that your current plan might not match, even if you like it." A key critique of the Republican Party's recent attempt to defund Obamacare was that it was a strategy born of limited vision. They couldn't see that it was doomed to fail spectacularly. Four years ago, with the Affordable Care Act, they saw this moment coming."
http://www.slate....eps.html
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2013
"Engelbrecht and Phillips believe that all of those promises about healthcare were never meant to be true. They believe one of the underlying intents is to collect personal data and voter registration information and share it with the federal government, which would in turn share it with left-wing groups—in Obamacare they are called "Navigators"—to conduct what is essentially a taxpayer-funded Get-Out-The-Vote operation for the Democratic Party.

"Approximately 68 million individuals, most of them low-income, will eventually enroll in subsidized health care under the law," Demos' Danetz writes in the report. "
http://www.breitb...-History
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (13) Oct 30, 2013
"With the roll out of Obamacare we should pause to appreciate not only the lethal inefficiency of bureaucratic control of such a complicated system as health care, but how unethical and even brutal it can be when people's lives are determined by the whims of ideologically-charged committees of experts. And there is no more tragic example than that of the regulatory system for approving new and lifesaving medicines. Indeed in terms of bioethics and basic morality this is the Tuskegee syphilis experiment of our time."
" Only a free-market approach will see an overall minimization of those competing interests as the system forms an equilibrium. Remember that even if a new drug is "proven" to be effective, when background treatments change and alternatives arise, the new drug might not be more effective in the new context. At each and every stage clinicians and patients weigh up all the updated knowledge."
http://dailycalle...rials/2/
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 30, 2013
"In the 1990s, the American left, burdened with 90 years of unfortunate left-wing metaphors, rebranded itself in the U.S. as the "progressive movement.""
"Mr. Obama is, without embarrassment, a man of the left. American progressives saw their win with Mr. Obama as the overthrowing of the postwar Democratic liberalism that culminated with the Clintons, a liberalism willing most of the time to coexist with markets, property and private enterprise. Progressives hated these accommodations. They were purer than that. He was purer than that. Together, they created ObamaCare. "
"The essence of modern Democratic progressivism is: "You will participate in what we have created for you, and you will comply with the law's demands.""
http://online.wsj..._LEADTop
djr
5 / 5 (3) Oct 31, 2013
Ryggy: "So why are economies around the world in decline with so much progress?"

We face many challenges as a species Ryggy. Scientists are working hard to address these challenges - like energy issues, medical problems, food supply, etc. etc. I am sure you have no clue about the progress we have made in the past few thousand years. Economies have ups and downs - that subject is way to complex for this limited forum. When we get rid of religion - we will make a quantum leap forward. The biggest problem we face is ignorance. You are a poster boy for what is holding us back as a species. We will prevail despite you.
djr
5 / 5 (4) Oct 31, 2013
Ryggy: "But if you are so sure of your unbiased, scientific perspective you all should be able to handle and challenges, if you are as intelligent as you think you are."

Ryggy always misses the point. I do not have to handle challenges - I am not the scientists doing the research. Most of your posts are not addressing the topics being presented here - you just make this really neat forum into your own personal political platform. The point is not your ability to challenge the science - you can't. The point is 'why don't you move on if you don't like the 'bias' of Physorg. Of course - the answer to that is that your are a nasty little troll.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2013
dj, why do you tolerate the non-science articles in this site.
What does the minimum wage have to do with science?
When we get rid of religion - we will make a quantum leap forward.

This is dj bias. It was because of religion our species made a quantum leap forward, but dj is blinded by hate.
holding us back as a species

Why do liberals want to lump individual, intelligent human beings into one spcecies? The human species made quantum leaps because of the actions of individual human beings. Which is why the real liberals stated the axiom that every human is endowed by their Creator with the inherent, unalienable right to life, liberty and property. From this axiom, individual humans can thrive and prosper.
What holds back the species are the state thugs that plunder wealth from individuals.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (15) Oct 31, 2013
"Instead of fighting, we now trade, communicate, travel and invest; while there is still a long way to go in tearing down protectionist barriers, international economic integration is the great driving force of progress. " {NOT socialism}
"The UK is a scandalous outlier here, with a recent OECD analysis showing that we are the only rich country in which 55 to 65-year-olds are more proficient in literacy and numeracy than 16 to 24-year-olds, a catastrophic regression. "
"On balance, however, the world is easily in the best place it's ever been, despite the financial crisis and the threat of terrorism. Thanks to capitalism, globalisation, technology and a reduced tolerance for violence, humanity has never had it so good. "
http://www.telegr...ism.html
Why do socialists want to regress?
VendicarE
4 / 5 (4) Oct 31, 2013
"Instead of fighting" - RyggTard

Yes. As America has collapsed, it has stopped funding it's proxy wars all over the world.

VendicarE
4 / 5 (4) Oct 31, 2013
"So why are economies around the world in decline with so much progress? - RyggTard

Many of them, like the nations in Europe, followed the American lead into the sewer of deregulation and corporate largess. The result of that idiocy has been the decline of those states for the same reason that America has collapsed.

Those nations not following America's lead into the toilet are doing very well.

http://qzprod.fil...mp;h=576
djr
5 / 5 (2) Oct 31, 2013
Ryggy: "dj, why do you tolerate the non-science articles in this site.
What does the minimum wage have to do with science?"

Now we see the fundamental difference between someone with and open mind - who is interested in learning - and a nasty little troll who has no problem in being rude, and ignorant towards another person (or another person's web site).

I don't get to decide what is displayed on Physorg. It is not my web site. I get to enjoy - and learn from the information being presented here. If I don't like the bias here - I get to move on and find a different site - or better yet - to start my own site. See - I understand that one of the fundamental aspects of the libertarian philosophy - is personal responsibility. I like that aspect. It is about live and let live. You are a miserable little troll - you don't take personal responsibility - you just like hating on the hard work of other well meaning folks.
freethinking
1 / 5 (15) Oct 31, 2013
Hummm no articles on Physorg stating Obama lied and he knew in 2010 that: administration predicted that between 47 and 60 percent of individually-purchased policies would be cancelled under ObamaCare.

I need to go back and count how many articles Physorg posted promoting Obamacare just to check for biased reporting..... ignoring and not reporting on subjects because it hurts your cause is bias

http://newsbuster...jJGbh1b1
djr
5 / 5 (3) Oct 31, 2013

Free: "I need to go back and count how many articles Physorg posted promoting Obamacare just to check for biased reporting"

Why? You continue to evade the central question. If you are unhappy with the bias that you perceive in Physorg - then move on. Why is it your job to undermine the hard work of the authors of Physorg? You are revealing yourself as a small minded, mean spirited little troll - who wants to tear down the honest hard work of a group of individuals. How hateful of you.

ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (15) Oct 31, 2013
I don't get to decide what is displayed on Physorg.

Well, yes you do.Just like any site or magazine, they publish what they think their audience will put eyes on. It is called meeting the needs/wants of their customer to make a profit.
If this site was not interested in feedback they can shut down comments.
dj's whining is typical of 'liberals' when they can't defend their position.
Or maybe we should be more tolerant as their 'liberal' fantasies are being exposed.
Science is harsh and intolerant.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (15) Oct 31, 2013
tear down the honest hard work of a group of individuals.

Like the science community did with Fleischmann and Pons?
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 31, 2013
"As Lomborg wrote in a recent blog post,"Current green energy policies are failing for a simple reason: renewables are far too expensive. The solution is to innovate the price of renewables downward.""
""Let's make sure we focus on things where for every dollar you spend, you do tens of dollars of good and not do so many things where you spend a dollar and do only a few cents of good." It's a message reprised in a soon-to-be published book he has edited: How Much Have Global Problems Cost the World? In the introduction Lomborg sets the stage by asking, "Where can we do the most good first?" This seems a reasonable question to consider in a world with competing priorities.

So why would anyone want to shred Lomborg?"
http://www.cosmos...ntalist/
Because the real intent of AGWites is control, not solving problems.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Oct 31, 2013
"When you repeat something of substance you know not to be true, you're lying. And that's the simple reality: one of "the most memorable" promises of the Obama presidency was simply a lie.

Why did he do it? The obvious answer is probably the correct one: he didn't tell the truth because he feared the consequences of telling the truth. If people knew they might lose their coverage, it would have made the Affordable Care Act more difficult to pass. And like a lot of falsehoods, once you start, it's hard to stop."
"What is shocking is the degree to which Obama was able to bluff his way past voters and the media.

Until the last week, he was never directly asked at a press conference about his claims. There were no questions about his famous "you can keep it" promise in the 2012 debates.

Why? Once again, the obvious answer is probably correct. The press has a tendency to believe Obama ..."
{No bias in the media?}
http://www.thedai...ow-we-lo
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (15) Oct 31, 2013
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Joseph Goebbels.
Gawad
5 / 5 (3) Oct 31, 2013
I don't get to decide what is displayed on Physorg.

Well, yes you do.Just like any site or magazine, they publish what they think their audience will put eyes on. It is called meeting the needs/wants of their customer to make a profit.
If this site was not interested in feedback they can shut down comments.


And yet you're the one most responsible for pumping this burger joint thread up to 400 posts...

Am I the only one seeing the irony here?

Man, if anyone needs better health care, it's you.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2013
Bias does anyone think this will be discussed in the biased media, MSN, CNN, ABC?
http://www.nation...-johnson

Anyone think the DOJ will prosecute? Anyone think the IRS will discipline?

When Progressives control the media the truth takes a beating. When Progressives control a country, freedom takes a beating.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2013
"According to the reports in 2011 Medicare paid $23 million in services for dead patients, spent $25 million on dead doctors between 2009-2011, and provided $29 million in prescription drugs for illegal immigrants from 2009-2011.

Under federal law, none of these categories of people are eligible for Medicare benefits or payments."

Read more: http://dailycalle...jLDhsO1J
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2013
"Act one: An Obama Administration official is found to be incompetent, grossly negligent, or caught blatantly and arrogantly lying to the American people.

Act two: Media and pundits express their outrage and proclaim that the guilty official's head will surely roll. Confidently, they predict that it is only a matter of time before [fill in the blank] is forced to resign.

Act three: The scandal gradually falls off the media and the public's radar. The once thought to be doomed Administration official remains on the government payroll, is moved to another position or simply continues on as if nothing ever happened without consequence. No accountability. We all move on.

Read more: http://dailycalle...jLEEM9xD
freethinking
1.7 / 5 (18) Oct 31, 2013
rygg, I beg to disagree.... they get promoted and get a pay raise.

Incompetence is rewarded by Obama.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2013
"The "Operations and Management of Marketplaces' subsection of the justification says that CMS intends to spend $803.5 million in this area. That includes money that will be spent on "data mining techniques" to make sure the right people are benefiting from the new system of health-insurance subsidies set up by the Affordable Care Act. "
""To ensure the integrity of programs that redistribute tens of billions of dollars," says the budget justification, "CMS must have - See more at: http://cnsnews.co...HWI.dpuf
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Oct 31, 2013
"Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., said she will propose legislation to ensure Americans can keep their current insurance even if it may not comply with minimum standards under the Affordable Care Act."
http://www.nola.c...por.html
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
"Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., said" - RyggTard

Nothing about how Capitalists exploit low wage jobs to externalize their employee costs to Society.

Poor Ryggtard, having lost the argument, he feels the need to change the subject...
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
""data mining techniques" to make sure the right people are benefiting from the new system of health-insurance subsidies' - RyggTard

So now RyggTard goes on record as opposing Government analysis of it's own performance, for the purpose of improving government services.

Moooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn.
VendicarE
3.2 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
"Wednesday, Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler was unable" - RyggTard

Why are Conservatives like RyggTard now promoting Glenn Kessler when just a couple of years ago, they were calling him a liar?

ONE-HUNDRED-THIRTY-SEVEN PINOCCHIOS FOR GLENN KESSLER OF THE WASHINGTON POST, AS HE TELLS UNTRUTHS ABOUT MITT ROMNEY

http://delong.typ...ney.html

Perhaps they are hypocrites.
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
"Engelbrecht and Phillips believe that.." - RyggTard

Phillips is Greg Phillips who has just set up a Conservative propaganda group called "Voters trust".

OTERS TRUST LAUNCHES ON THE FOURTH OF JULY
"The Voters Trust is preparing to launch on July 4, 2013.

The Trust will be a key component of the effort to identify and mobilize America's conservative voters.

Stung by the politics of division practiced by many, millions of conservatives have chosen to either remain silent or even "stay home" rather than support candidates they don't care for.

Purged from GOP lists and scorned by the haughtiness of supporters of the moderate nominees, conservatives have remained silenced by GOP political elite. Ironically, this cleansing has stripped the party of its ability to win elections." - Greg Phillips

http://jumpvote.c...-of-july

Gosh, and here he is spreading Tea-Tard Propaganda with RyggTard's help.

Bahahahahahah... Morons....

VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
"According to the reports in 2011 Medicare paid $23 million in services for dead patients, spent $25 million on dead doctors between 2009-2011"

Total spending on medicare over those three years was roughly 1.5 trillion

38 million/1.5 trillion = 0.00026 percent.

Like all Tea-Tards RyggTard, can't do numbers.

He is a moron.
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
"Under federal law, none of these categories of people are eligible for Medicare benefits or payments" - RyggTard

Then the people and corporations who requested those payments are federal criminals, aren't they, TardieBoy.

VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (6) Nov 01, 2013
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. " - RyggTare

Where are those Iraqi WMD again, TardieBoy?
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
"An Obama Administration official is found to be incompetent, grossly negligent, or caught blatantly and arrogantly lying to the American people." - RyggTard

Yup, such accusations are nothing more than a fantasy play being manufactured by Republican morons for their own consumption and as a recruiting tactic.

it isn't working, Dung Heap.

Only fools like you are falling for it.
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
"Hummm no articles on Physorg stating Obama lied and he knew in 2010 that: administration predicted that between 47 and 60 percent of individually-purchased policies would be cancelled under ObamaCare." - FreeTard

In other words less than 5 percent of Americans who don't get their health care through their employer.

And those five percent just have to enroll in the program to receive what will generally be superior health care coverage than what they were receiving.

I'm not sure why any American will wan't to keep their inferior plan.

I guess a few dozen of them might do so just to claim that Obama is a liar.

Some people (Tea-Tards) will say or do almost anything to get that stinky, non-American, black man from Kenya out of the White House.

Fresh from trying to push the American Economy into a depression, Tea-Tards need an issue that they can use to change the subject away from their Failure.
djr
5 / 5 (3) Nov 01, 2013
Gawad: "Am I the only one seeing the irony here?"

I figured it out last night. Al Gore is sitting in his liberal socialist UN sponsored world control center. He is running web sites all over the internet that are working towards the singular goal of Al Gore taking over the world. He has many aliases - such as Ryggesogn2, and Freethinking etc. He sits up all night posting anti liberal rants - in order to get more hits on his web sites - in order to increase his power. Al has a compound in Arkansas - where he disappears all the socialists who want to join him in running the world. Who is John Galt?
VendicarE
3.2 / 5 (5) Nov 01, 2013
Apparently Al Gore is John Galt.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (16) Nov 01, 2013
VD, by defending and supporting corruption (as long as it is done by Progressives such as Obama or any Democrat) shows himself as is either a paid government worker, or just a Progressive lemming.

ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2013
"The nonprofit hospital that treated the final victim of the Boston Marathon bombing attack will have its tax-exempt status reviewed under Obamacare and could face hefty fines and other penalties.

Boston's Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital, which treated amputee Marc Fucarile as he recovered from the loss of his leg in the April 15 terrorist attack, is run by a nonprofit 501(c)3 hospital network that will be subject to new scrutiny of its tax-exempt status and potentially massive fines under Obamacare.

Read more: http://dailycalle...jRBQTdaR
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Nov 01, 2013
Has this story been on this site, yet?

"Is there a new scientific consensus forming around global cooling? That's what environmentalist Lawrence Solomon writes in the Financial Post, citing the fact that solar activity is decreasing at the fastest rate as anytime in the last 10,000 years."
"Solomon adds that Columbia University's George Kukla — who warned the U.S. government about the dangers of global cooling in 1972 — postulated that "[g]lobal warming always precedes an ice age… The warming we saw in the 1980s and 1990s, in other words, was expected all along, much as the calm before the storm."

Read more: http://dailycalle...jRCQMXEz

No bias here, move along folks.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 01, 2013
"And I just love it when they tell me that so many of these existing plans are substandard "bad apples." Do the president and his people not know that insurance at the state level is one of the most regulated areas of the economy? They're blaming insurance companies, not their own new regulations.

"But here's the bigger point: All this is the inevitable result of massive central-planning exercises to control the economy. That's not freedom.

No amount of rescue legislation is going to change this. It's the elections of 2014 and 2016 that will allow citizens to reject this Soviet-style planning. But I'll reference my conservative colleagues in the media once again: Obamacare represents the greatest-ever expansion of the liberal entitlement-state dream. And you know what? That dream is crumbling and dissolving before our very eyes."
http://www.cnbc.c...01164217
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 02, 2013
"The retail giant is as dependent on SNAP benefits as the poorest Americans. Why new government cuts will be a double whammy for Bentonville—and just about anyone with a mutual fund. "
http://www.thedai...les.html
How do 'liberals' feel about subsidizing Wal Mart?
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 02, 2013
"Now, things have gotten so bad for Obama that former president Jimmy Carter has called President Obama incompetent in the family-friendly pages of Parade magazine.

"He's done the best he could under the circumstances," Carter said of Obama in an interviewed published on Thursday. "His major accomplishment was Obamacare, and the implementation of it now is questionable at best."

Read more: http://dailycalle...jWaIP2vO
Carter should know about incompetence.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 02, 2013
"while Scandinavian success stories show that great companies can be born and innovate amid generous welfare states, they do have some cautionary tales for left-wing thinking. The Swedish tax code was substantially reformed in 1990 to be friendlier toward capital accumulation, with a flat rate on investment income. Sweden has no taxes on inheritance or residential property, and its 22 percent corporate income tax rate is far lower than America's 35 percent."
"Sweden also has a relatively lightly regulated economy."
"In Stockholm, for example, taxi fares are completely unregulated and for-profit charter schools are common. "
http://www.slate....tes.html
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 03, 2013
"Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients"
http://masonconse...nts.html
This is called state slavery.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 03, 2013
"How realistic is it that U.S. hospitals will adopt the Indian model? U.S. hospitals are constrained by regulations and norms unlike those in India. Nevertheless, some progressive U.S. hospitals are adopting some of the practices of our Indian exemplars, and more should follow their example.

It is time to move beyond the myth that U.S. health care is costly because it is of exceptional quality. Better outcomes at lower costs have been established in many other countries. The Indian experience shows that costs can be dramatically reduced and access can be expanded even as quality is improved. "
http://www.washin...ory.html
VendicarE
3 / 5 (4) Nov 03, 2013
From RyggTard's link...

"Their services have to be affordable because their patients are poor and typically pay 60
percent of their medical costs out of pocket."

The state pays the other 40 percent.

So Tardieboy's solution the the "evil" of socialized american medicine is socialized indian medicine.

Hahahahahhaahha........

freethinking
1.6 / 5 (16) Nov 04, 2013
Here is my plan to reduce costs and improve quality and not in any particular order
1. Tort reform
2. Require hospitals to post costs for procedures.
3. If an illegal alien uses hospital services and doesn't pay, require the illegal aliens home country to pay.
4. Insurance reform like cross state purchase of insurance. If I can buy car insurance/life insurance/ business insurance across state lines, why can't I buy health insurance across state lines.
5. deregulate insurance policies, let consumers decide what they want to have covered, not a bureaucrat.
6. get rid of the Obomination of Obamacare.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (16) Nov 05, 2013
This applies to Obama and every Progressive Democrat:
http://datingasoc...hemself/
goracle
1 / 5 (10) Nov 05, 2013
Most of the products involved have already left a very hefty health care bill. Sugar, salt, fat, and more sugar, designed to make you crave more more more...
Gawad
not rated yet Nov 05, 2013
Your points:
1. is so sorely needed it's a no-brainer
2. is a regulation...GASP!
3. fair enough.
4. might help in states that constitute smaller markets

5. Is the naïve one, and seems to be the big Obamacare issue for a lot of people: the right to buy useless crap.

Now in a lot of cases, consumer goods being the most obvious, if you want to buy useless crap then more power to you. If you want to buy a cheap TV that is going to give out on you in a year and a half, fine.

The problem is that health care, as an essential service, doesn't work like that, not even in the States. If an American decides he's going to skimp on health insurance, other Americans may well end up footing the bill (through Medicare or Medicaid or even ER visits) for the gap between what he and his family may be covered for and what medical needs may actually occur. The only way to prevent this is for "bureaucrats" in consultation with experts to regulate minimum coverage standards. And that's what ACA does.
goracle
1.4 / 5 (11) Nov 05, 2013
freeofplausibility wrote: "3. If an illegal alien uses hospital services and doesn't pay, require the illegal aliens home country to pay."

Good luck with that. 'Hey Somalia government. We want you to pay for this operation on a refugee from the two-thirds of your country that you don't control. And Russia, we are sending a bill for Ivan's appendectomy. If we don't get paid within 30 days we'll put the head of the GRU on a collection agency call list.'

Brilliant. Problem solved. Why didn't we ever think of that before?

goracle
1.4 / 5 (11) Nov 05, 2013
"He's a right-wing corporate anarchist. He even wants the right to print his own currency, whose value would equal the cost to print it." - Gawad

No, that is a Libertarian position.


Well, it certainly falls under the Libertarian umbrella, but it's a pretty wide umbrella. Even Noam Chomsky is considered libertarian in many circles, though in the socialist quadrant, and pretty much an opposite of Ryggy if I've ever seen one. The point is that I've dealt with lots of Libertarians who believe the state has an important role to play (granted, most were NOT American Libertarians), but Rygg clearly belongs to a Libertarian faction that is extreme even by the standards of "conventional Libertarian thinking". It does seem though that his brand of politics is becoming, ah...increasingly vocal south of the 49th.

Vocal, yes. Sane, not so much.
Gawad
4 / 5 (1) Nov 05, 2013
freeofplausibility wrote: "3. If an illegal alien uses hospital services and doesn't pay, require the illegal aliens home country to pay."

Good luck with that. 'Hey Somalia government. We want you to pay for this operation on a refugee from the two-thirds of your country that you don't control. And Russia, we are sending a bill for Ivan's appendectomy. If we don't get paid within 30 days we'll put the head of the GRU on a collection agency call list.'

Brilliant. Problem solved. Why didn't we ever think of that before?



Good point, but I'm guessing he was mainly thinking of Mexico.
freethinking
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 05, 2013
Gawd, between you and I, even if we don't agree on all issues, by agreeing to some things we agree that we could reduce costs and improve benefits.

So my 5 minutes and your 5 minutes, sure beats Obamacare...which is nearly 11,000 pages of regulations. Trust Progressives and Democrats for making things impossible.
Gawad
4 / 5 (1) Nov 05, 2013
Trust Progressives and Democrats for making things impossible.


Well, except for the fact that ACA wasn't Obama's plan A, now was it? It's like, plan E or F. He initially proposed much more far reaching reforms, but all were systematically rejected by the party of NO!; ACA is a nasty compromise by the masters of rejection without a plan. It's not like reform hasn't been needed in American health care for decades, so what did the GOP do for heath care in the 8 years Bush "the Moron" Junior was in power? Nothing. How's that for making things impossible, humm?
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 06, 2013
t all were systematically rejected by the party of NO!;

Obamacare was rejected by all Republicans.
Obama couldn't pass the complete govt takeover of health care because his fellow democrats would not have voted for it.
So the party of NO was the democrats.
Gawad
5 / 5 (1) Nov 06, 2013
Give it a rest Ryggy. The Reps rejected it all from plan A to Obamacare. The way you try to spin that into "the party of NO was the democrats" is just indicative of your mental disorders.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 06, 2013
Gawad, so Obama lying and building a plan that he knew was unworkable, that he knew would fail, that he knew would hurt many people, is ok with you? Typical of a progressive.... ends justify the means.... lying then lying about lying as long as it is done by Progressives is excused by progressives.
When talking with a progressives just remember 1. you must define each word including the word "is", and 2. every word out of their mouths is a lie or a lie about a lie.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 06, 2013
Republicans have had many options proposed in legislation. All would provide more choice for the patients and free market competitive solutions to drive down down costs.
All concepts required less govt control.
The democrats are the party of NO when it comes to more liberty and lower costs and YES for more socialist govt control.
Obama and his socialist fellow travelers don't care about the cost and quality of care. Only the control.
Recently, doctors are refusing to accept what govt insurance will pay so they are refusing to accept patients with govt insurance. A democrat wants to FORCE doctors to work for wages and salaries below their costs. They want doctors to be state slaves.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 06, 2013
"I called for two things: 1. a man's right to what he has earned in free exchange, and 2. honoring the great wealth-creators for what they have given us.

It was the second point that seemed to throw the Left into a rage. You can say anything on the web. You can voice the obscenity that America "had it coming" on 9/11–and no one bats an eye. You can vilify businessmen, call Goldman Sachs a "vampire squid on the face of humanity," and even the Right remains silent. But standing up for the producers who have created our standard of living–that's beyond the pale!"
"And when you see rage at the idea of honoring the successful, climaxing in death threats, you are witnessing the ressentiment of those who secretly regard themselves as failures, whatever their outward success, and are desperately struggling to bury the knowledge that they themselves are responsible for their fate. Hatred for the achievers is the outward projection of their own self-loathing."
Forbes.com
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 06, 2013
"This is one of the reasons that I'm so opposed to using the term "Liberal" to refer to the Angry Left. The old-style liberals were not hate-soaked. (The hate mail Capp received no doubt came from people much farther to the Left than the old Liberals). Unlike the Angry Left, the old liberals compartmentalized. They advocated the "mixed economy," and opposed communism. Today's "Progressives" (another term I do not use) are not advocates of the mixed economy at all. No, they are not communists, but only because they are too anti-ideological to recognize the fundamental meaning of their position.

The Angry Left can't be appeased, because its denizens don't want anything: they are nihilistic. They are not pro-Arab, they are anti-America. They are not pro-poor, they are anti-rich. They are not pro-equality, they are anti-excellence. They are not pro-charity, they are anti-achievement."
http://www.forbes...right-ha
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 06, 2013
"The only thing they are "pro" is state power–the power to bring down the achievers who stand as a reproach, a painful contrast to their own inner emptiness.

Philosophically, the doctrines of self-sacrifice and egalitarianism fuel the Angry Leftists' nihilist rage. For if it is evil to prosper and vicious to excel, then hatred of the extraordinary wealth-creators is justified. Capitalist profit-seeking cannot be reconciled with the collectivist slogan of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.""
http://www.forbes...-down/2/

This explains the irrationality of Obamacare, higher costs, more control, less care.
Gawad
4.5 / 5 (2) Nov 06, 2013
Gawad, so Obama lying and building a plan that he knew was unworkable, that he knew would fail, that he knew would hurt many people, is ok with you? Typical of a progressive.... ends justify the means.... lying then lying about lying as long as it is done by Progressives is excused by progressives.
When talking with a progressives just remember 1. you must define each word including the word "is", and 2. every word out of their mouths is a lie or a lie about a lie.


Wow, Really? Riddle me this then: FreeFromThinking, HAVE YOU STOPPED BEATING YOUR WIFE? Get it? Or do I need to explain it to you?

"Typical of a progressive.... " Quote typical of...a Moron. Just a moron. Progressive, Conservatard, Tea Bagger, Liberal, or Whatrever, your still a moron, just on that alone.

ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 06, 2013
"Doctors at the hospital sent home 300 cancer patients last month when supply shortages and overtaxed equipment made it impossible for them to perform non-emergency surgeries.

Driving the crisis in health care are the same forces that have left Venezuelans scrambling to find toilet paper, milk and automobile parts. Economists blame government mismanagement and currency controls set by the late President Hugo Chavez for inflation pushing 50 percent annually. The government controls the dollars needed to buy medical supplies and has simply not made enough available."
"The country's 1999 constitution guarantees free universal health care to Venezuelans, who sit on the world's largest proven oil reserves. President Nicolas Maduro's government insists it's complying. Yet of the country's 100 fully functioning public hospitals, nine in 10 have just 7 percent of the supplies they need, Natera said."
http://hosted.ap....mp;TEMPL
djr
3.8 / 5 (4) Nov 06, 2013
Interesting. What we come to realize is that we have a fucked up system. Whether it is the private market system, or a centrally controlled system. Check out this quote -

"the United States, with less than 5 percent of the world's population, buys more than 50 percent of its prescription drugs. And it buys them at prices designed to subsidize the rest of the industrial world, where the same drugs cost much less, although most poor governments can't afford them at even those lower prices."

From: http://www.techno...o-drugs/

So someone tries to offer solutions - and the hatemongers hit him in the head with a baseball bat. Of course the hatemongers have no solutions of their own - it is just fun playing the hater. At least John Stewart tells the truth. http://videocafe....pponents
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 06, 2013
Gawad, People who call themselves Progressives beat their wives, murder, rape, abuse children, steal, use drugs, at a much higher rate and are much more likely to be Psychopaths than those that call themselves Conservatives.

Read the following description of a Psychopath and tell me it doesn't fit Obama to a tee
http://crime.abou...aths.htm
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 06, 2013
Now it comes out that you will save money under Obama care if you get a divorce.
http://newyork.cb...divorce/

Why do Progressives hate stable traditional so much? Oh yea, it's because families with one mother + 1 father is the best at raising children that are self sufficient, independent, and with fewer mental or criminal issues. Broken families = government control, poverty, violence, in other words Progressive supporting population.
Gawad
3.3 / 5 (3) Nov 06, 2013
O.k. so you don't get it. You probably have too much of a hate-on to see past the individual words anyway. That phrase "have you stopped beating your wife" has nothing to do with beating your wife. Google is your friend. And discussion with the kinds of people, like you, who waste other people's time with those sorts of logical fallacies is, well, a waste of time. Seriously, if all you are about is wasting time, yours and everbody else's, you could at least put more effort into it. Look at Ryggy, for example.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 06, 2013
GAWAD, Currently Obama is trying to drive home the idea that its only 5% that are getting cancellations; like it is "no big deal". But here is the kicker, when the Employee Mandate kicks in, the flood gates of cancellation notices will be wide open.

Why is it that Obama gave big business a one year delay on the Employer Mandate? Could it be so that the US will have time to become accustomed and resigned to the 5% being screwed. Then the Employee Mandate kicks in, and it is no longer just us 5%. Projections have it that once the Employee Mandate kicks in, 129 million will be dropped. But no big deal..... Progressives lie, then lie about lying, then go about lying more. Only Progressive lemmings still believe anything Obama or any Progressive says.

Gawad, what did Obama say many times about keeping your insurance? Didn't he even had a website so you could report those who thought otherwise?
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 06, 2013
So Gawad, it's now hateful to point out when Obama lies about lying? Also, it's very progressive of you to start calling names to those that expect people to speak the truth.
Gawad
4 / 5 (1) Nov 07, 2013
So Gawad, it's now hateful to point out when Obama lies about lying? Also, it's very progressive of you to start calling names to those that expect people to speak the truth.


Is that what the voices are telling you? Must be. No, "When talking with a progressives just remember 1. you must define each word including the word "is", and 2. every word out of their mouths is a lie or a lie about a lie", THAT's a hate-on. Not that I'm surprised you can't tell; those with such "issues" rarely have insight into their own condition.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 07, 2013
Gawad, Bill Clinton is a Progressive..... ask him to define IS
Obama is a Progressive..... ask him if he lied 3 years ago multiple times,when he told us we could keep our insurance when he knew and planned that we couldn't.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 07, 2013
those with such "issues" rarely have insight into their own condition.

Define what a 'progressive' believes is progress.
It can't be a growing economy, with fewer people on the govt dole, more liberty and less govt control.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 07, 2013
Whether it is the private market system, or a centrally controlled system.

What private market system? The US has not had a private market system for decades.
A private market system in India is working quite well.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (13) Nov 07, 2013
Is this 'progress'?
""This belief has been, in effect, only one facet of a much more general illusion from which the educated and the intellectuals in particular have suffered: that by turning tasks over to government, conflict and decision would be made to go away. Once the "wicked private interests" had been eliminated, a decision as to the right course of action would be rational and automatic. There would be neither selfishness nor political passion. Belief in government was thus largely a romantic escape from politics and from responsibility.""
"The record over these last thirty or forty years has been dismal. Government has proven itself capable of doing only two things with great effectiveness. It can wage war. And it can inflate the currency.""
"The best we get from government in the welfare state is competent mediocrity. "
Drucker, 1969
http://www.cato.o...vernment
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (13) Nov 07, 2013
Drucker, 1969:
""Modern government has become ungovernable. There is no government today that can still claim control of its bureaucracy and of its various agencies. Government agencies are all becoming autonomous, ends in themselves, and directed by their own desire for power, their own narrow vision rather than by national policy.""
"I find it depressing that more people don't share my understanding of individual freedom, the Constitution, and limited government. But it is also depressing that Drucker-style common sense ideas about government failure have so little penetrated the nation's governing elite. After all these decades, too many people are still "in love" with government and, indeed, "hypnotized" by it, as Drucker noted. "
http://www.cato.o...vernment
Gawad
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 07, 2013
ask [Obama] if he lied 3 years ago multiple times,when he told us we could keep our insurance when he knew and planned that we couldn't.


Granted that turns out to be bullshit. What I want to know is if it was an actual lie, at the time. It seems possible to me that that was his original intention and that things simply didn't turn out how he intended. However, if he new that plans that didn't meet the new minimum standards would be scrapped rather than adjusted to meet them (or however else they might have been kept) then shame on him just like shame on all his opponents who are telling outrageous lies about ACA just because they have a hate-on.

And shame on those who bitch about ACA hurting some people while ignoring all those who are helped by it and the millions who were left out in the cold or at risk because the neither qualified for Medicare and Medicaid and didn't have insurance, were at risk of losing it, or were subject to the cruel whims of insurers.
Gawad
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 07, 2013
Oh and if Obama is a "Progressive" than so was Ronald Reagan by any measure. Your problem (well one of them) is that you've drifted so far to the right that even traditional conservatives seem like "Progressives" with respect to your radical right wing position. (And no I don't expect you to have insight into that condition either.)
Gawad
3.8 / 5 (4) Nov 07, 2013
Whether it is the private market system, or a centrally controlled system.

What private market system? The US has not had a private market system for decades.
A private market system in India is working quite well.


Well by all means then, Ryggy, PLEASE GO TO INDIA!
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 07, 2013
Gawad, Obama lied in 2010 http://www.forbes...amacare/

Unless you work for a union, wait till after the next election for you to lose your insurance. Then you will know what small business owners/sole proprietorships are facing right now. I got the letter and so did most of the other small business owners I know. We now have to either pay more for much less or give our personal information to a group that could include ex-cons to see if I can get some sort of cheaper insurance. Since I'm healthy, it now makes a lot of financial sense for me to drop healthcare altogether and just join when I need to go to the hospital.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 07, 2013
Gwad, then you agree that there has been NO free market in US health care for decades.
The socialists here keep asserting they need socialism to fix the US free market health care system.
But the lie is that the socialists policies for the past several decades have caused the very problems the socialists want to fix, with MORE socialism.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 08, 2013
We keep hearing that Obamacare is 'settled law'. How can BHO change 'settled law'? Only dictators have such power.
"President Obama has already moved to protect his Big Labor allies from paying their "fair share." After publicly refusing to do so, the Administration has quietly "sneaked in a rule that would let some labor unions off the hook for an ObamaCare tax." "
http://www.breitb...care-tax
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 08, 2013
"If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to KEEP your health care plan, PERIOD. No one will take it away, NO MATTER WHAT." – Barack Obama, 2010. "What we said was, you could keep it if it hasn't changed since the law was passed...." "I am sorry...." – Barack Obama, 2013.

This is called, "Cooling the Mark".

After the blowoff has occurred, one of the operators stays with the mark and makes an effort to keep the anger of the mark within manageable and sensible proportions. The operator stays behind his teammates in the capacity of what might be called a cooler and exercises upon the mark the art of consolation. An attempt is made to define the situation for the mark in a way that makes it easy for him to accept the inevitable and quietly go home. The mark is given instruction in the philosophy of taking a loss.

Obama lied people will die, while the country goes bankrupt.
Gawad
5 / 5 (1) Nov 08, 2013
Gwad, then you agree that there has been NO free market in US health care for decades


Just like you have agreed that terrorism is a legitimate form of self-expression.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 09, 2013
"Wagner and her husband retired early. She was a nurse for 35 years and championed Obamacare, until she received a letter from her insurance company saying it was canceling her policy."
""I was really shocked … all of my hopes were sort of dashed," Wagner said. "'Oh my gosh President Obama, this is not what we hoped for, it's not what we were told.' ""
"She was shocked further to learn that for the same coverage she would pay 35 percent more and have a higher deductible"
http://denver.cbs...ce-plan/
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 09, 2013
"President Barack Obama admitted in 2010 that 8 or 9 million Americans would lose their existing health insurance plans under Obamacare.

"The 8 to 9 million people that you refer to that might have to change their coverage — keep in mind out of the 300 million Americans that we're talking about — would be folks who the CBO, Congressional Budget Office, estimates would find the deal in the exchange better," Obama said to Rep. Eric Cantor at a February 25, 2010 White House summit on health insurance regulation.

Read more: http://dailycalle...kCpEXpZX
VendicarE
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 10, 2013
FreeTardo - "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to KEEP your health care plan, PERIOD. No one will take it away, NO MATTER WHAT." – Barack Obama, 2010

But FreeTardo, RyggTard has just posted a link where Obama admits that 8 million Americans will be forced to change their health care plans.

Can't you Tea-Tard Losers make up your minds?

Rumour is it that you don't have any to make.
VendicarE
2.8 / 5 (4) Nov 10, 2013
From RyggTard's own link...

"Nationwide at least 3.5 million people have received the cancellation notices."

Yet earlier he reported that close to 50 million Americans had lost their health care plans.

Which is it Tardieboy? Make up your peanut sized brain.....

VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (5) Nov 10, 2013
Also from RyggTard's link....

"DeGette sits on the committee that oversees Obamacare. She insists the Wagners are the exception, not the rule.

"As we work through all of this I think that a year from now people overall are going to be very, very happy with the way the Affordable Care Act is working," DeGette said."

Odd how RyggTard is constantly found to be employing selective quoting in his links.

He is a Conservative, and I have never encountered a conservative who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.

ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (17) Nov 10, 2013
"Poor Barack Obama. Ending his fifth year as the world's most powerful man, he is running out of scapegoats and fairy tales. Blaming George W. Bush has lost its punch, and the ObamaCare debacle is shredding the myths he is competent and honest.

Still, before he rides off into that sunset of self-pity and low poll ratings, he ought to invite his remaining friends over for a heart-to-heart. That way he can tell The New York Times that its fanatical support does him no favors."
http://nypost.com...-nation/
The NYT gave Stalin a pass while he murdered millions.
ryggesogn2
2.3 / 5 (16) Nov 11, 2013
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ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Nov 12, 2013
"more than 1 million cancellation notices have been sent to Californians as the Affordable Care Act begins allowing individuals to buy insurance through exchanges. "
http://sacramento...amacare/
VendicarE
2.6 / 5 (5) Nov 12, 2013
"more than 1 million cancellation notices have been sent to Californians as the Affordable Care Act begins" - RyggTard

Horrible how those filthy corporations are denying americans health care.

How do the CEO's manage to sleep at night on their bags of money??

"Americans 34 Times More Interested In Buying Guns Than Obamacare"

http://www.zerohe...bamacare
VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Nov 12, 2013
" " - RyggTard.

That is the least repulsive, least immoral, and most intelligent thing Tardieboy has ever said.
VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Nov 12, 2013
"Still, before he rides off into that sunset of self-pity and low poll ratings" - RyggTard

Obama popularity - high 30's, low 40's

According to Gallop today, the popularity of congressional Republicans is at an all time low of 9 percent, and Libertarian independents at a new low low of 8 percent.

Poor RyggTard.TeaPublicans like he, just can't fathom why the American people hate them so much.

And like Tardieboy, they refuse to listen to the explanations given to them.

They don't live in the reality based community.
goracle
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 13, 2013
Gawad, People who call themselves Progressives beat their wives, murder, rape, abuse children, steal, use drugs, at a much higher rate and are much more likely to be Psychopaths than those that call themselves Conservatives.

Read the following description of a Psychopath and tell me it doesn't fit Obama to a tee
http://crime.abou...aths.htm

About.com is hardly a credible resource for any kind of psychiatric diagnosis or profiling.
freethinking
1.7 / 5 (17) Nov 13, 2013
Most reporters love progressives and never say anything bad about Obama or any other progressives.

However times have changed, some reporters are finding out what happens when they start asking questions.

http://www.thebla...blowers/

Why does Obama have such high ratings? Because most reporters are progressives who make progressive politicians look good while demonizing conservatives, and any reporter who fails to get with the program of promoting Progressives and starts asking real questions, gets the DOJ, IRS, and DHS, after them.

ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Nov 13, 2013
"A new poll by YouGov finds that more people trust Fox News for information about the so-called "Affordable Care Act" than trust President Obama:

Read more: http://newsbuster...kZow1nzi
VendicarE
2 / 5 (4) Nov 13, 2013
"However times have changed, some reporters are finding out what happens when they start asking questions." - FreeTardo

FreeTardo's source of information? The Blaze = Glenn Beck, One of the most dishonest people on Faux TV.

VendicarE
2.3 / 5 (3) Nov 13, 2013
"more people trust Fox News for information about the so-called "Affordable Care Act" than trust President Obama:" - RyggTard

Well, that is the latest talking point coming from Faux News - echoed by the Druge Report, and where TardieBoy gets most of his Nonsense Right Wing Propaganda.

Meanwhile back in the real world....

Denial-of-service tool targeting Healthcare.gov site discovered

Researchers have uncovered software available on the Internet designed to overload the struggling Healthcare.gov website with more traffic than it can handle.

"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," a screenshot from the tool, which was acquired by researchers at Arbor Networks, declares. "We HAVE the right to CIVIL disobedience!"

---

So Republicans are sabotaging the Government websites and then blaming them for being being slow, or impossible to access.

Republican Filth.
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (12) Nov 13, 2013
@FreeOfThinking Gawad, Bill Clinton is a Progressive..... ask him to define IS
Obama is a Progressive..... ask him if he lied 3 years ago multiple times,when he told us we could keep our insurance when he knew and planned that we couldn't.
US dollar peaked in value at the end of 1999 when Clinton left office. Falling ever since and only stabilizing in 2008 when Obama took office

Is means equal. As in a republician IS a neurotic who chafes at his unattainable idealized self image
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 14, 2013
VD, blaming Republicans for sabotaging Obamacares website.... Ok... VD, take your tin foil obama hat off.

Koch, Ask Clinton what is means.... he IS the one who stated....
http://www.youtub...T-l-_3y0

Obamacare is falling apart, just like conservatives said it would. Now Progressives are blaming Conservatives. Progressives are very consistent.... they lie, then lie about lying, then say everything is settled when it's not, then resort to intimidation, threats, denigration, then go back to lying about lying, all the while Progressive Media aids and abets the lies and distortion.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Nov 15, 2013
"Obamacare is wholly owned by the Democrats. Its unraveling would catastrophically undermine their underlying ideology of ever-expansive central government providing cradle-to-grave care for an ever-grateful citizenry.

For four years, this debate has been theoretical. Now it's real. And for Democrats, it's a disaster. "
http://www.washin...int.html
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Nov 15, 2013
"VD, blaming Republicans for sabotaging Obamacares website.... " - FreeTardo

"A new hacking tool called "Destroy Obama Care," circulating on social media, is designed to cripple the Healthcare.gov insurance exchange site." - The Christian Science Monitor

VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Nov 15, 2013
"Obamacare is wholly owned by the Democrats. Its unraveling would catastrophically undermine their underlying ideology of ever-expansive central government providing cradle-to-grave care for an ever-grateful citizenry." - RyggTard

Is that why Conservatives are doing their best to destroy the plan to provide all Americans with adequate levels of health care?

They are working to destroy American Health Care for their own petty political reasons?

Filthy Conservative Scum.
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Nov 15, 2013
http://www.newsci...7vtIjLFA

Last month, Wikipedia announced that it had blocked some 250 "sock puppet" accounts – fake accounts set up by users who are often paid by companies to edit articles in their favour. Now, Ragib Hasan at the University of Alabama at Birmingham and his colleagues have developed a tool that analyses the way articles are written and spots if they are edited by the same person.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Nov 15, 2013
More Capitalist Fraud caught damagaing America.

California shuts down 10 "fraudulent" health care websites

In a move rarely seen by state authorities, California has shut down 10 domain names that the Golden State claims were fraudulent imitations of Covered California, the state's own version of the Affordable Care Act.

On Thursday, the state's attorney general announced that it had forced 10 domain names to either redirect to the bona fide Covered California website or to remove their sites entirely. California also sent cease and desist letters to the operators of those sites.

http://arstechnic...ebsites/
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Nov 16, 2013
"Two polls in recent weeks have reported that a majority of Americans no longer trust the president or believe that he is being honest with them. "
http://www.nytime...tml?_r=0
Must be racism.
djr
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 16, 2013
"Must be racism"

Ryggy's obsession with the issue of racism is so interesting. No one else seems to need to raise the issue on almost every thread. Me thinks thou dost protest too much sir.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (13) Nov 16, 2013
dj the 'liberal' is annoyed I point out how often 'liberals' cry racism when they can't defend their socialism.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 16, 2013
"Levin said Palin was exactly right to compare the federal debt to slavery and nothing was offensive about it, since she was not making a comparison to chattel slavery.

Levin then said "his people," the "Jewish people," were slaves, and he did not for one minute think Palin's comparison was made to "diminish Jewish people or the early days of the nation."

Levin then called out women's group like the National Organization for Women (NOW) for "never" coming to the defense of conservative women like Palin.

Levin said these groups never defend conservative women from misogyny, even when it takes a turn towards the vile and filthy, because "they are not feminist groups. They are left-wing groups. They don't care about women. They care about left-wing women.""
http://www.breitb...r-s-Vile
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 16, 2013
47 milllion on food stamps yet some claim there are not enough people to fill all the job openings in the US.
http://www.youtub...age#t=59
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 16, 2013
"It's Nov. 16, 2013, and the partial government shutdown ended one month ago today.

In those four weeks, and the two prior, everything conservatives said would happen has happened. What's more, the Democrats' united stand against them has turned into a retreat — and is primed to become a rout — as they amend Obamacare's disastrous rollout, President Barack Obama apologizes for his failures, and electorally vulnerable Democrats break ranks and flee."
"Finally, the events of the last month have shown that Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee were correct to make a final stand against the law, and it's really the president and his policies that are terrorizing the country. "

Read more: http://dailycalle...kpN7N7S5
djr
4 / 5 (4) Nov 16, 2013
dj the 'liberal' is annoyed I point out how often 'liberals' cry racism when they can't defend their socialism.

I have no comment on your opinion about liberals and racism. I oppose racists when they try to poison my favorite web site with their racism - be they conservatives, liberals or whatever. You are a racist, you advertised your racism, and I called you on it. Nothing else I can do. Keep howling Ryggy.
djr
4 / 5 (4) Nov 16, 2013
By the way Ryggy - each time YOU resurrect this issue - YOU draw attention to yourself - keep howling Ryggy.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 16, 2013
By the way Ryggy - each time YOU resurrect this issue - YOU draw attention to yourself - keep howling Ryggy.

I bring it up because true to 'liberal' form, you could not defend your socialist views or the socialism of the 'dear leader'.
And, if, as you claim, you are opposed to the racism of 'liberals', you say nothing about the racist, sexist views of 'liberals'.
dj claims to be opposed to socialism, but I don't believe him as he continuously defends the acts of socialists.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Nov 16, 2013

"Must be racism." - RyggTard

Tardieboy is right...

Tea Party Politician on Obama: "Assassinate the fucken nigger and his monkey children"

http://freakoutna...hildren/

Nigger President Barack Hussein Obama

http://www.nigger...20obama/

http://www.youtub...gOQ89kT0

Woman Who Called for 'Nigger' Obama's Assassination in Viral Facebook Post Confronted by News Crew, Is Officially the Worst Person in the World

http://gawker.com...he-world

VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 16, 2013
RyggTard the 'Conservative Randite' is annoyed I point out how often 'conservatives' cry communism when they can't defend their capitalism.

Candidate Questioned By Secret Service After Writing About Obama: 'Shoot The Nigger'

http://patdollard...-nigger/
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 16, 2013
"I learned a valuable lesson that day, one that is ingrained in every military commander, at all levels: you are accountable for everything that happens in your unit, and your actions will have consequences. Period.

That's a lesson our commander-in-chief, President Obama, seems to never have learned; he prefers to dodge responsibility, declare his ignorance of what's going on or just to outright mislead the nation. And the president is now paying the price for his unwillingness to embrace the ethic of accountability."
" Throughout his area of executive responsibility, President Obama has repeatedly failed to take accountability for his words and actions."

Read more: http://dailycalle...krBa41bf
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (13) Nov 16, 2013
"All during the debate, Democratic officeholders, aides, policy wonks, advocates and sympathetic journalists all knew coverage cancellations would be coming as part of Obamacare. Of course, the president knew, too. When Obama made the keep-your-coverage promise, over and over, those Washington insiders accepted the untruth as a necessary part of the process, something Democrats had to do to pass their bill.

But millions of Americans didn't get the memo and took Obama at his word. And now that the promise has been proven false, the president is trying to recover his credibility "
http://www.breitb...s-coming
How stupid of BHO supporters! They believed him!
VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (4) Nov 16, 2013
"Levin said Palin was exactly right to compare the federal debt to slavery" - RyggTard

Is that why Ronald Reagan borrowed a trillion dollars (2013 dollars) plus during his presidency?

And of course, who is "Levin"? Why... he is a conservative radio talk show host.

In other words, he is a know nothing, blowhard, nobody.

RyggTard is just doing his best to become part of the Republican Circle-Jerk community.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (16) Nov 16, 2013
" Carson says that the way Obamacare has been forced onto the public is similar to the Soviet Union's treatment of its citizens.

"This practice in some ways resembles that of the centralized government system that swept the Soviet Union, whose notorious founders wrote that it was sometimes necessary to force ideas on a populace that will eventually come to accept and endorse the ideas."
{That is the tactic of AGWites and physorg}
http://moneymorni...c-carson
VendicarE
3.8 / 5 (4) Nov 16, 2013
"I learned a valuable lesson that day" - RyggTard

Impossible. Tardieboy has nearly continuously demonstrated his inability to learn along with the depth of his willful ignorance.
djr
4.2 / 5 (5) Nov 16, 2013
"And, if, as you claim, you are opposed to the racism of 'liberals', you say nothing about the racist, sexist views of 'liberals'."

If someone poisons Physorg with their racism - I will probably say something. It is your M.O. to constantly drag political issues from other sites on to Physorg - not mine. I enjoy the articles - try to comment if I have something to add - and yep - I get pissed when people like you try to poison a science site with their politics.

"I bring it up because true to 'liberal' form, you could not defend your socialist views or the socialism of the 'dear leader'"

Why would I see it as my job to defend "your socialist views, or the socialism of the dear leader?" I am here to enjoy science - not to promote a political agenda - that is your agenda.

Again Ryggy - racism is not a partisan issue - stop trying to make it one. You are the racist - and you got busted. It does not matter what your politics are - racism is racism.
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (14) Nov 16, 2013
not to promote a political agenda -

But that is precisely what the the authors of this article about minimum wage and what physorg are doing, promoting socialism.
AGWites demand socialist solutions to 'climate change'.
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (15) Nov 16, 2013
@Ryggie "Obamacare is wholly owned by the Democrats. Its unraveling would catastrophically undermine their underlying ideology of ever-expansive central government providing cradle-to-grave care for an ever-grateful citizenry."
Even I know Obamacare is simply Romneycare. Romney is merely a republican. You, however, are a liar and an idiot. Even Romney would not use sockpuppets to rate his own posts
djr
5 / 5 (3) Nov 16, 2013
"But that is precisely what the the authors of this article about minimum wage and what physorg are doing,"

And if that is what you believe - then please feel free to go fuck yourself - and leave Physorg to the folks who like Physorg.

You see - that is how the internet works. There are many different kind of sites on the internet. Right wing Christian, young earth creationist sites. Left wing, anarchist, anti establishment sites (here is one I would recommend you read - http://www.crimethinc.com/)

The idea is that if you look for sites that reflect your interests - you can use the internet to learn, and to connect with others who may share your passions.

There is a segment of our world - who like to harass folks on sites that are out of sync with their world view. If you do that - don't be surprised when you have to deal with push back.. Like - if you are a right wing little racist - and you spam a site that is dedicated to the promotion of science - don't be surprised....
kochevnik
1.2 / 5 (13) Nov 17, 2013
At current pace the people out of the labor force will surpass the working Americans in about 4 years.

As zionist banksters debase the USD more than the present 40% RELATIVE TO OTHER CURRENCIES the rich will become richer and the middle class will be destroyed

Implosion USA

One solution is to use a two-party transaction system like bitcoin or gold or barter. Not a fiat currency dependent upon warmongering banksters
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Nov 17, 2013
"But that is precisely what the the authors of this article about minimum wage and what physorg are doing, promoting socialism." - RyggTard

You are mentally ill, TardieBoy.

It is a simple fact that capitalists that don't pay a living wage are not supplying their workforce with sufficient resources to survive, putting the burden of their survival onto the rest of society.

By lowering wage scales below the minimum Capitalists externalize the cost of maintaining their workforce onto society.

You call the reporting of this reality "socialism".

Clearly you are mentally ill.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Nov 17, 2013
"Carson says that the way Obamacare has been forced onto the public is similar to the Soviet Union's treatment of its citizens." - RyggTard

Americans are now required to purchase some level of health care in order to remove the burden of maintaining their health from the rest of society.

Similarly Americans are required to purchase some level of automotive insurance before they are permitted to drive on public roads.

The reasoning is essentially identical.

RyggTard don't like it.

No one gives a hoot as to what brain damaged racists like RyggTard care.

Tea-Publicans like him will soon be dead and America will be free of their form of mental illness.

VendicarE
4.5 / 5 (2) Nov 17, 2013
"everything conservatives said would happen has happened" - RyggTard

You mean the second coming of Christ has just happened? The tribulation has occurred? The Yellow Hoard have invaded American Shores? Planet Niberu has finally collided with earth? Obama has revealed himself as

A: Da Evils Muslin
B: Lucifer
C: Kommuniz
D: Is Da Kenyan
E: Shape Shifting Alien
F: Antichrist
....

And the whack Tard Conservative list goes on and on and on.....
VendicarE
5 / 5 (3) Nov 17, 2013
"47 milllion on food stamps yet some claim there are not enough people to fill all the job openings in the US." - RyggTard

Correct.

Corporations want people who can read, write, and think. So they would prefer to hire Europeans who were educated in the European Socialist School system.

You for example are notably incapable of thinking for yourself, and your reading comprehension is very low - given the number of times you have been caught quoting from articles that don't claim what you state they claim.

Be careful not to lose your job TardieBoy. You are one of the unemployable.

VendicarE
5 / 5 (2) Nov 17, 2013
"This practice in some ways resembles that of the centralized government system that swept the Soviet Union" - RyggTard

Excellent. Americans will be better served with such a system, compared to the expensive health care insanity that they have endured for the last 40 years.

ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (13) Nov 17, 2013
And if that is what you believe - then please feel free to go fuck yourself - and leave Physorg to the folks who like Physorg.


Where is the 'science' in this article from Berkley?
dj claims physorg is ONLY a science site and there is no place for any politics.
When I point out this article and many others ARE political, I am told to shut up and go away. Why won't dj and others here discuss the issue?
""There are many hypotheses in science which are wrong. That's perfectly alright: it's the aperture to finding out what's right," he further explained, before concluding, "The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion or in politics, but it is not the path to knowledge, and there's no place for it in the endeavor of science.""
http://www.realcl...azy.html
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Nov 17, 2013
don't be surprised when you have to deal with push back..

I welcome the discussion.
I even welcome the insults since this proves that the 'pushback' is vacuous.
Even I know Obamacare is simply Romneycare.

No, it is not. I live in MA. Romneycare is much more limited than Obamacare.
http://boston.cbs...erences/
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Nov 17, 2013
"Government-run Romneycare – the model used for Obamacare – was enacted in Massachusetts in 2006, and a recent survey by the Massachusetts Medical Society found that half the state's primary care practices aren't accepting new patients. At practices accepting new patients, the average wait to see a family physician is 39 days, and the average wait to see an internal medicine physician is 50 days."
"Since Obama is an avowed progressive, and previous progressive presidents have given us compulsory measures like government monopolies, income taxes and military conscription – he might consider using force with doctors. Perhaps an executive order establishing a doctor's mandate to serve a minimum number of Obamacare patients as a condition for renewing their medical licenses. "
http://www.forbes...ch-us/2/
As I have said before, doctors will be state slaves under Obamacare.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Nov 17, 2013
"If progressives are so afraid that the "wall of separation" between church and state is being dismantled, why are they not balking at the federal government's conversion of the black church into a sub-agency of Health and Human Services? There are so many questions to ask about this odd church/state relationship. Given the fact that Obamacare was such a disaster when it rolled out, and if it is true that the program is somehow from God and tells us something about what He is like, then we are all in big trouble."
http://blog.acton...hes.html

ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (14) Nov 17, 2013
" Rule by personal charisma has met its proper fate. The spell has been broken, and the magician stands exposed. We need no pollsters to tell us of the loss of faith in Mr. Obama's policies—and, more significantly, in the man himself. Charisma is like that."
"Mr. Obama would turn out to be among the most polarizing of American leaders. No, it wasn't his race, as Harry Reid would contend, that stirred up the opposition to him. It was his exalted views of himself, and his mission. The sharp lines were sharp between those who raised his banners and those who objected to his policies."

Read more: http://www.realcl...kuWubWEO
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When socialism fails, the excuse given is the socialist leader was flawed, not socialism.
djr
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 17, 2013
"Where is the 'science' in this article from Berkley?" "I welcome the discussion."

You just don't get the point. You constantly turn the articles on Physorg into your own political agenda. You take articles on science subjects and turn them into anti Obama rants. Then you criticize Physorg - and call them bias. You are not welcoming discussion - you are poisoning the well. Keep your own POLITICS (meaning hatred for President Obama etc.) out of it. Look at your post above talking about church and state. Where did that come from? - except your desire to make Physorg your own personal political mouthpiece. What a perfect example of how you want to morph every comments section into your own personal political megaphone. You are not interested in science - so go away and find a political web site to poison.
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (16) Nov 17, 2013
Where did that come from? -

This Berkley article is a blatantly socialist and minimum wage laws are socialistic and do NOT do what its supports claim they want them to accomplish.
Evangelical atheist socialists attack any involvement by people of faith in the govt, especially non-'liberal', yet support the use of 'liberal' churches to support their socialist agendas.
Not long ago, 'liberals' sent their minions to conservative churches to spy on their pastors to be sure they didn't preach any anti-'liberal' sermons. But if the church supported the govts 'liberal' agenda, pastors were encouraged to promote that agenda.
Where is the science in this Berkley minimum wage article?
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (16) Nov 17, 2013
Funding for this Berkley report:
"The report was funded by Fast Food Forward, a coalition of workers and labor, religious and community groups campaigning for higher wages and rights on the job for New York City fast-food workers."

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
Where is the atheist's opposition if religious groups funded this report?
ryggesogn2
1.8 / 5 (15) Nov 17, 2013
"So, what is the end game?

Money. Money for the SEIU that is.

While fast-food workers won't get the $15 they are campaigning for, if unionized, the SEIU will get union dues. Moreover, with union dues standing averaging 1.3% (or more) of pay, if a fast-food worker earns $8 per hour, the SEIU gets at least $0.10 per hour for every hour the employee works. "
http://www.redsta...big-mac/
Isn't money evil for socialists?
djr
3.7 / 5 (3) Nov 17, 2013
Ryggy - this article was not about religion -or separation of church and state.

Sure - you can turn any topic into a political rant if that is what you want to do. congratulations Ryggy - you poison the well - and you are proud of yourself. I have nothing else to say to you.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 17, 2013
his article was not about religion -or separation of church and state.

Religious groups and the SEIU funded the study demanding the state intervene in the economy forcing companies to pay people more, so unions can get more, and expect the consumers to pick up the tab.
'Liberals' demand separation of church and state, except when a church supports their socialism.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (15) Nov 17, 2013
"On Sunday, appearing on ABC's This Week with fill-in host Martha Raddatz, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) admitted that Democrats knew full well that Americans would be booted from their health insurance plans as an effect of Obamacare implementation. "
http://www.breitb...all-knew
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (3) Nov 17, 2013
Degenerate Americans. The product of American Capitalism.

http://www.youtub...HQ#t=141
VendicarE
3 / 5 (2) Nov 17, 2013
"This Berkley article is a blatantly socialist and minimum wage laws are socialistic" - RyggTard

And a complete necessity to prevent Capitalists from offloading even more of the cost of maintaining their workforce onto society.

Poor Tardieboy. You are the origin of your own failure.

I love it.
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (3) Nov 17, 2013
"Religious groups and the SEIU funded the study demanding the state intervene in the economy forcing companies to pay people more." - RyggTard

How dare American Companies be required to maintain their own workforce.

Dat is pure Kommuniz isn't it TardieBoy.

Bahahahahahah.....
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (3) Nov 17, 2013
"I welcome the discussion." - RyggTard

You are incapable of discussion.

Not only are you dishonest, but you are incapable of learning, and incapable of forming your own thoughts.

$7.00 an hour or less isn't a living wage TardieBoy, and any business paying such a wage (and some American businesses pay wages of $0.00 an hour), is relying on society to maintain it's workforce.

That is the bottom line my little Conservative Moron.

It is a reality that you can not escape, so you avoid it's discussion at all costs.

VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (3) Nov 18, 2013
"Where is the atheist's opposition if religious groups funded this report?" - RyggTard

Where is the red head opposition if brunettes funded this report?

You are a moron TardieBoy.

You do know that don't you?
freethinking
1.6 / 5 (15) Nov 19, 2013
Hey Rygg, did you know that Progressives have been caught in the last 6 years using the DOJ, Police, Special Prosecutors, IRS, DOE, against political opponents and to silence them? Not only that, did you know that the Progressive media has ignored scandals, hid facts, and even outright lied to protect Obama?

But here is another one for you, just before the last general election, the government reported that the unemployment rate dropped significantly. Again anyone who questioned these "facts" from the government was pummeled by the Progressives Media as haters, etc..
Well guess what???? Two guesses, I know this is going to be hard for you to believe, the government lied.... the unemployment rate didn't drop, just progressives in government lying again, and the progressive media hid the facts again..... nothing new from the most corrupt United States government ever.
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (13) Nov 19, 2013
"In the home stretch of the 2012 presidential campaign, from August to September, the unemployment rate fell sharply — raising eyebrows from Wall Street to Washington.

The decline — from 8.1 percent in August to 7.8 percent in September — might not have been all it seemed. The numbers, according to a reliable source, were manipulated.

And the Census Bureau, which does the unemployment survey, knew it."
http://nypost.com...-report/
Socialists will do anything for power.
freethinking
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 19, 2013
Hey Rygg, it seems either Obama lied about not knowing that his Obamacare website wasn't going to work, or that he was uninformed again.
http://www.thebla...imetime/

What do you think, Obama is the most uninformed president in history, or is Obama the president who get's away with the most lies.

In addition to Obamacare website Obama says he was uniformed about Benghazi, the DOJ going after a few brave reporters investigating Obama scandals, Obama was uniformed about fast and furious, Obama was uninformed about the IRS going after Obama's political opponents and on and on it goes.

So what do you think rygg? Obama the most uniformed President in History or the President who says (and gets away with it because the Progressive media protects him) the most lies?
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (13) Nov 19, 2013
Why does anyone believe what the govt says about anything, including climate?
Undercutting the integrity of the Regulatory State is not good for 'progressives'.
freethinking
1.6 / 5 (14) Nov 19, 2013
So rygg..... I'm confused right now.... did Obama just lie, or was he misinformed again when he said 100 million Americans have successfully enrolled in Obama care? I'm wondering it might have just been just a slip up, he may have been thinking that 100 million Americans are going to losing their health insurance.

What do you think Rygg? A lie, misinformed, or a slip up?

http://www.dailym...led.html
ryggesogn2
1.3 / 5 (12) Nov 20, 2013
'Liberals' claim to be so intelligent yet they are susceptible to so many lies by socialists and accept the corruption it brings.
These 'liberals' are lying to themselves about their intelligence and/or are lying about their faith in socialism.
freethinking
1 / 5 (11) Nov 20, 2013
One final question Rygg....

I'm sure no Progressive will release private health care data obtained by Obamacare for nefarious reasons.... right???

http://www.projec...re-data/
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (11) Nov 20, 2013
"Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood."
http://www.nbcdfw...621.html
VendicarE
not rated yet Nov 21, 2013
Poor RyggTard.

Once again he is caught telling a lie of omission.

From his own link...

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous."
VendicarE
not rated yet Nov 21, 2013
"Why does anyone believe what the govt says about anything," - RyggTard

Because governments are made from citizens and citizens should be trained not to tell the truth.

You however, are a perpetual liar, and you can't imagine anyone else being something that you never are..... truthful...
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Nov 21, 2013
$7.00 an hour or less isn't a living wage TardieBoy, and any business paying such a wage (and some American businesses pay wages of $0.00 an hour), is relying on society to maintain it's workforce.

That is the bottom line my little Conservative Moron.

It is a reality that you can not escape, so you avoid it's discussion at all costs.

http://phys.org/n...firstCmt
freethinking
1 / 5 (9) Nov 21, 2013
I like it when Progressives such as VD says that when you are pulled over by cops then directed to a parking spot and drivers told by a cop wearing a gun that they want to take breath, blood, and saliva samples that it is voluntary. Anyone guess what would have happened if someone disobeyed the cops and didn't stop for this voluntary donation?

Only an idiot works for $0.00 hr. The truth is the only ones who works for $0.00 are taxpayers and small business owners. Interesting FACT, my business (and all honest businesses) which is forced to be a tax collector actually is charged by the Government to collect taxes so in actuality we work for minus $0.00/hr for the government.

So VD, how is your health care? Obama said I would be getting better health care for less money. Problem is, he is a liar just like you. I'm among the 5 million vanguard (100+ million to follow next year) who have lost their health care.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (10) Nov 21, 2013
Sorry VD, I was just going to work some more for the Government in filing our monthly taxes, but then I realized I forgot something.

Progressives such as yourself redefine words so you can say to yourselves you are not lying.
So, here is a list of words that we need to have defined by Progressives before we can have a discussion with them.
IS (aka Bill Clinton)
Voluntary (aka VD)
Keep (aka Obama)
Racism/ist (aka any progressive)
Homophobia (aka any progressive)
truth (aka any progressive)

the list goes on and on..... Remember, when speaking with a progressive, the common definition of the words they use, IS NOT the definition they use. When speaking with a progressive, YOU MUST have them define each word they say, THEN YOU MUST hope they stick with that definition and not change it part way through the conversation.
VendicarE
5 / 5 (1) Nov 21, 2013
"Anyone guess what would have happened if someone disobeyed the cops and didn't stop for this voluntary donation? " - FreeTard

No need to guess.

The would have been directed to the exit of the parking lot and would drive off.

If you were drunk however.... You would probably be arrested for drunk driving irrespective of your wish to leave the parking lot.

And that is a very good thing......

Drunks are not permitted on public road-ways.
VendicarE
not rated yet Nov 21, 2013
"So VD, how is your health care?" - FreeTardo

Excellent, and universal.

How sad that your Capitalist system is falling apart. Oh well. This is what happens when you rely on an immoral system like yours, where profits are placed before people.

VendicarE
not rated yet Nov 21, 2013
"Only an idiot works for $0.00 hr. " - FreeTardO

America is full of idiots.

You and RyggTard are fine examples of American "useful idiots" who eat and distribute the ideological pro-corporate, Conservative excrement that has bankrupted your own nation in every ways.

Moral
Ethical
Intellectual
Fiscal
Etc...

goracle
1.6 / 5 (7) Nov 21, 2013
One final question Rygg....

I'm sure no Progressive will release private health care data obtained by Obamacare for nefarious reasons.... right???

http://www.projec...re-data/

Actual questions are typically presented with the intent of finding an answer that one does predetermine.
VendicarE
not rated yet Nov 21, 2013
"I was just going to work some more for the Government in filing our monthly taxes" - FreeTardO

If you don't like the job then you should go live in the Libertarian Paradise of Somalia where such work is not required, and where the Libertarian vision of freedom reigns supreme.

What is keeping you? Cowardice?
VendicarE
not rated yet Nov 21, 2013
With regard to...

http://www.projec...re-data/

We see a Republican operative secretly doing his best to convince someone to break the law and filming the reaction. The illegality is recognized. No laws are broken, and the target of the Republican Spy lists a variety of reasons why breaking the law would be technically difficult.

As usual, there is nothing but wind coming from the Republicans.

Republican: Look, I secretly filmed this guy not breaking the law. Look how evil he is.

LowLife... Republican Morons....

VendicarE
not rated yet Nov 21, 2013
"IS (aka Bill Clinton)" - FreeTardO

"IS" is Also known as Bill Clinton?

Poor FreeTardO. He doesn't even know what "aka" stands for.

What A KKKonservative Ass he is.

VendicarE
not rated yet Nov 21, 2013
Low-wage fast-food jobs leave hefty tax bill, report says

http://phys.org/n...firstCmt
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Nov 22, 2013
One final question Rygg....

I'm sure no Progressive will release private health care data obtained by Obamacare for nefarious reasons.... right???

http://www.projec...re-data/

Actual questions are typically presented with the intent of finding an answer that one does predetermine.

Another questions 'liberals' are afraid to answer lest they expose themselves for what they truly are.
goracle
1.6 / 5 (7) Nov 22, 2013
In the interest of preserving bandwidth, please close commenting for this interminable thread. If If I wanted endless libertardian nonsense, I'd go to ryggesogn2.com....
ryggesogn2
1.5 / 5 (8) Nov 22, 2013
Still, no socialist who posted has defended wealth redistribution.
Instead, they can only try to bully those who show the failure of socialism.
freethinking
1.8 / 5 (10) Nov 22, 2013
So the Main Stream Media (CNN, NBC, ABC, etc) were told to come to the White House to get their marching orders on how to spin or minimize Obamacare and 5 million policy holders (if average holder had 3 people, the 5 million represents 15 million Americans) loosing health care coverage. A "reporter" while licking Obama's boots noticed that Obama looked thirsty and so asked the President if he should continue licking or if Obama wanted him to fetch some water. Immediately the "reporter" received notice that the IRS was conducting an exhaustive tax audit, the DOJ went to his home and took his computers, phone, and any papers, the DOE shut down his power, his health care was revoked while his personal medical and tax records were "accidentally" released.

The reporter asked someone why this happened. He was told by an aid of Obama that he should never, ever, never........question Obama.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (2) Nov 25, 2013
"It is almost certain that before the end of next year a second wave of cancellations is going to lay waste to the employer-market. Tens of millions could lose their employer-based insurance. The national media is covering this fact up (just like they have covered up everything else negative about ObamaCare until it's too late). "
http://www.breitb...dia-wont