Plans for 5p charge for plastic bags in England

Sep 14, 2013
Shops in England will routinely charge customers 5p for plastic bags from 2015 under government plans to be unveiled this weekend.

Shops in England will routinely charge customers 5p for plastic bags from 2015 under government plans to be unveiled this weekend.

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg is expected to announce the move at his Liberal Democrat Party's annual conference in Glasgow, which begins Saturday.

The levy is aimed at reducing the environmental impact of non-biodegradable carrier bags.

It would bring England in line with the rest of Britain, with charges already in place in Wales and Northern Ireland and due to come into force in Scotland from October 2014.

The proceeds from the charge, which will only apply in and other large shops, will go to environmental charities, not to the government or retailers.

A Lib Dem source said Clegg had to push for the policy to be introduced in the current .

"Nick Clegg had to fight pretty hard in government to deliver this when everything is about the cost of living," the source said.

"We believe that a small charge outweighs the caused by ."

The use of plastic bags in Wales has dropped by 75 percent since the charge was introduced there in 2011, Lib Dem sources said.

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Humpty
1 / 5 (12) Sep 14, 2013
Fucking wankers....

Give a 3 month moratorium to use up all existing stocks, a ban on their supply after that...

Lots of small towns and places in Australia eliminated them all years ago.

And these arseholes are FINALLY asking for a 3 year lead...
Eikka
3 / 5 (6) Sep 14, 2013
Won't make a lick of difference.

Throwing money indiscriminately into charities will just see the money dissapear into deeper pockets, and the people won't reduce their plastic bag use because they're still needed in carrying the groceries home, and carrying the garbage out of the home.

totinen
5 / 5 (1) Sep 14, 2013
In Finland they cost 20 cents already.
Noumenon
1.8 / 5 (13) Sep 14, 2013
Won't make a lick of difference.

Throwing money indiscriminately into charities will just see the money dissapear into deeper pockets, and the people won't reduce their plastic bag use because they're still needed in carrying the groceries home, and carrying the garbage out of the home.


Did you read in the article where it stated,.. "The use of plastic bags in Wales has dropped by 75 percent since the charge was introduced there"? So it appears that it will work.

The issue is not about bags in general to carry your groceries but about non-biodegradable bags in particular.

Also, it is not really about raising money for environmental charities, as much as it is about changing behavior of people.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) Sep 14, 2013
My ex-wife is handy with a sewing machine. She has taken a large grocery paper bag and used it as a template to cut out pieces of washable canvas, sewed it all together to make a canvas shopping bag. She refuses plastic bags at the store and brings her own bags.

She has made dozens of these canvas bags that are wide at the bottom not only for herself, but for friends and family...she even made a few for me. I recently bought her a new sewing machine and serger for her birthday. I will buy her a new vacuum cleaner and dust mop on her next birthday. LOL

Another good idea when buying cold and frozen foods is to bring a big cooler that has a tight cover into the supermarket and at checkout, place all the cold stuff in first, then the frozen on top of it and close the lid. Works for me.
Humpty
1.7 / 5 (11) Sep 15, 2013
In Australia - the reuseable shopping bags are EVERYWHERE - and some of them are designed for cold / frozen goods.....

http://www.ecobag...cts.aspx

https://www.googl...Ki9IDgAQ
julianpenrod
1.3 / 5 (12) Sep 15, 2013
How characteristic.
Windmills kill endangered eagle species, but the courts refuse to make them liable.
J.K. Rowling refused to allow her bag to be searched before boarding a commercial jet because, she claimed, she had the newest edition of "Harry Potter" in it and didn't want anyone to see it. She was allowed to board without her luggage inspected.
To halt climate change, "scientists" are recommending scenarios that would steal sunlight or subject the "rank and file" to endless cloudy weather. They could just order companies to stop acting irresponsibly, but they won't.
Now, they charge the "rank and file" for using plastic bags instead of stores simply not offering them or government ordering plastic firms not to make them!
Noumenon
2.3 / 5 (15) Sep 15, 2013
They could just order companies to stop acting irresponsibly, but they won't.
Now, they charge the "rank and file" for using plastic bags instead of stores simply not offering them or government ordering plastic firms not to make them!


You would have to change the political form of government to grant it such power as to "order" a private company to not make plastic bags. Carbon based energy sources supposedly harm the environment also, but the gov has no power to "order" it out of existence. Cigarettes harm people but the government can't "order" private companies to stop making them. Why? because the people want freedom.

Unfortunately gov can tax things though, in attempt at controlling behavior. This is still a form of social engineering.
julianpenrod
1.4 / 5 (11) Sep 15, 2013
The government is allowed to order individuals to let their bags be inspected before boarding a commercial jet, to order people not to kill endangered wildlife, to order people not to pollute waterways. Why do corporations get the free pass? Is it societal engineering to expect someone who has a lot of money to cooperate with laws like those who don't have a lot of money? Basically, anything which can be defined as "hazardous to the public good" can be controlled by government. They impose sentences worse than for drug dealers to those who spray paint the wrong statements on walls, but they're allowed to permit dangerous substances to be used in packaging!
Lurker2358
1.4 / 5 (10) Sep 15, 2013
Won't make a lick of difference.

Throwing money indiscriminately into charities will just see the money dissapear into deeper pockets, and the people won't reduce their plastic bag use because they're still needed in carrying the groceries home, and carrying the garbage out of the home.


The idea is to encourage the use of permanent, reusable containers, such as baskets, so that there isn't as much waste over the long term.

I'd like to see a tax on plastic drinking bottles in the united states; the smaller the bottle, the larger the tax, to penalize those 12 and 20oz water and soda bottles which take up so much waste.
Eikka
2 / 5 (4) Sep 15, 2013
You would have to change the political form of government to grant it such power as to "order" a private company to not make plastic bags.


Seemed to work fine for lightbulbs, so why not? The trick is, you don't ban the manufacture of bags, you ban the sales of them.

Did you read in the article where it stated,.. "The use of plastic bags in Wales has dropped by 75 percent since the charge was introduced there"? So it appears that it will work.


I find it improbable that a 5p charge on top of 20 pounds worth of groceries makes people think twice about purchasing the bag. Rather the result is more convincingly explained by the publicity campaign around the issue.

Personally, I often take two bags because they're useful around the house.
kochevnik
1 / 5 (4) Sep 15, 2013
@Noumenon Cigarettes harm people but the government can't "order" private companies to stop making them. Why? because the people want freedom.
Is that what you told the Mounties regarding your meth lab?
FMA
5 / 5 (2) Sep 16, 2013
Use of non-biodegradable plastic bags is a good method for carbon capture!! :)
Hev
5 / 5 (1) Sep 16, 2013
Not really free bags since the store will have factored in the cost on their prices. This idea is not new, been tried several times, always fizzles out back to free bags.
Noumenon
1.4 / 5 (11) Sep 16, 2013
Use of non-biodegradable plastic bags is a good method for carbon capture!! :)


That's what I was thinking and have posted that before,... that plastic bags represent a quantity of petrochemical that is NOT burned releasing CO2,... but I could be wrong about this.

The environmental concern is that it hurts animals and their environment. I never understood this logic because, there are much more forms of garbage we have to dispose of anyway. And hello, ....animals harm themselves all the time, and get harmed in rivers, rocks and sharp sticks.

How often does a bird get tangled in a plastic bag to warrent all of this? If THIS meets the threshold to justify actionable response, then what DOESN'T meet that standard?

I think it is just an invented means of being "environmentally aware". Maybe we should just ban everything,.. because its all about feeling better about one self.

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