When things are at their worst, Christianity is intensely enacted

Aug 30, 2013
When things are at their worst, Christianity is intensely enacted
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A new University of Copenhagen PhD thesis has taken a look at faith as practiced in the daily lives of Danish cancer survivors. The thesis shows that Christian beliefs play a significant role in the lives of people suffering from cancer, and that their faith is often displayed in ways that challenge common perceptions of what Christianity is.

"My results show that people's individual Christian faith becomes present during times of personal crisis. Faith and hope manifest themselves very intensely, but it is rare that they show in the classical forms we normally associate with Christianity. Rather than a single and static set of beliefs, everyday Christianity constantly unfolds in multiple ways and in relation to others," says Christine Tind Johannessen-Henry, a PhD fellow at the University of Copenhagen's Department of Theology.

Connections between faith and cancer

Christine Tind Johannessen-Henry carried out her research in collaboration with the Danish Cancer Society Research Center, as part of a cross-disciplinary project involving theology and . The research involved a questionnaire study of 1,043 people who have survived cancer; 20 of these survivors were also involved in an interview study with participant observation.

"The results of the study show that the deeper the crisis people find themselves in, the higher the level of validation of their various forms of faith and beliefs in God, while they also experience a greater will to live and more vibrant sense of being. The diverse forms of beliefs and hopes are enacted tightly interweaved with situations of confusion, anxiety and joy, all of which emerge as individual pass through diagnosis, , surgery and sequelae. These types of situations manifest in the bodies of the survivors, and continue to affect the individual for long periods of time," says Christine Tind Johannessen-Henry.

Faith is belief in action

The research, Johannessen-Henry says, found that those participating in the study perform their faith in multiple ways. Denmark is often characterised as a very secular society, which builds on Christian values. The study results show that participants believe in Christian doctrine such as 'God' (59%), 'A loving God' (55%), 'A forgiving God' (49%), 'Christ' (51%) and 'life after death', in the sense that "the impact someone has had on the lives of others will continue to live on in their hearts after they die" (87%). People's individual faith, however, shows through more than just utterances which can be determined by "yes" and "no", but shows through the survivors' different practices.

"Faith is how we 'enact' our beliefs – what we do when we find ourselves in any given situation and must deal with it. One example is when a cancer survivor gives a gift to a relative with the intention that will keep them related after the survivor passes away. Another is when we tell our children that God, angels or deceased family members will take care of them – or even speak to those who we believe will watch over our loved ones – we are, in effect, creating, sharing, giving and receiving faith as a part of a congregation. The images and metaphors we use and use to cope with difficult situations elucidate that Christianity always unfolds in relations and through the life situation of the believer. In this sense Christianity constantly develops, moves and renews and new spaces of faith is created" Johannessen-Henry says.

The relation between dogmatic and everyday Christianity

In her PhD thesis, Johannessen-Henry emphasises the difference between Christianity that is dogmatically practice in theology and Church rituals, and Christianity that people live in their daily lives. These different "Christianities" repeatedly connect and link together, however. The project's research shows that an individual's faith constantly moves between ideas from Christian tradition and all sorts of non-Christian elements. According to Johannessen-Henry, these network of faith practises offer an understanding of how a doctrine such as "resurrection" is enacted in everyday life.

"Even though people suffering from cancer hold beliefs that might not be specifically Christian – for example 'rebirth' in other and very different versions – the mosaic of the Danish participants does incorporate pieces of Christianity – 'God as loving father', 'omnipotence', 'sacrifice', 'crucifixion', 'guiding stars', 'angels' – that it is impossible to claim that it isn't Christian either. The different elements are so tightly woven together that it is impossible to distil perceptions of a 'real' Christianity from the 'manyfolded' and diverse Christianity," Johannessen-Henry says.

Christine Tind Johannessen-Henry defended her dissertation, "The Polydoxy of Everyday Christianity. An Empirical-Theological Study of Faith in the Context of Cancer", Friday 23 August 2013.

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jalmy
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 30, 2013
I am now dumber having read this.
kochevnik
2.5 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2013
This article better appreciated with hallucinogenics
hemitite
1.7 / 5 (6) Aug 30, 2013
"Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water,
And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower,
And when when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him,
He said all men shall be sailors until the sea shall free them."

From "Susan" by Lenard Cohen
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (11) Aug 30, 2013
"When things are at their worst, Christianity is intensely enacted"

-I think they have this backwards? "Things are at their worst when Christianity is intensely enacted"

-Yeah that makes a LOT more sense.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (9) Aug 30, 2013
"Denmark is often characterised as a very secular society, which builds on Christian values. The study results show that participants believe in Christian doctrine such as 'God' (59%)"

-This seems to contradict info from wiki

"According to the SKYE most recent Eurobarometer Poll 2010, 28% of Danish citizens responded that "they believe there is a God"

I asked an areligious danish friend of mine once if he believed in god. He said no. But when I asked him if he believed in life after death he said yes. He seemed to be unaware of the paradox.

The residual effects of religion are insidious and it takes many generations to eliminate them completely from cultures.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (18) Aug 30, 2013
It figures. The atheists and anti-religionists always flock to any thread where the topic is about religion. Misery loves company, aye Blotto?
kochevnik
2.5 / 5 (8) Aug 31, 2013
I asked an areligious danish friend of mine once if he believed in god. He said no. But when I asked him if he believed in life after death he said yes. He seemed to be unaware of the paradox.
Well of course there is life after death. You become whatever eats you
Gmr
2.6 / 5 (10) Aug 31, 2013
This, honestly, is about as soft as I've ever seen something called a "science." Soft serve science. I feel like I need a waffle cone and a paper holder to read the article.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (18) Aug 31, 2013
My views on religion and death can be read in: http://phys.org/n...ory.html

The Bible, as I've said before, is a history of the Jews. Whether or not their history is valid still remains to be seen since excavations are ongoing in the Middle East and may never be completed.
Also, there may be some atheists among the Archaeologists who do not wish to have such biblical artifacts found and may destroy such artifactual evidences for the good of their unbelief. Such action is not unheard of, and requires a large amount of dishonesty, but it does happen.

Atheism is fast becoming a religion in its own right, and atheists seek out others of their kind in websites similar to this one where atheists hide behind science as a means of furthering their war against God. Name calling, such as godders, give the atheists and haters of Christianity a chance to snipe at their victims while claiming to know the whole truth...which they obviously do not.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (18) Aug 31, 2013
It has been said that, "there are no atheists in foxholes". When a person is about to die, or has found out that he has a terminal disease that cannot be cured, what can his thoughts consist of - other than the welfare of his family?
A man who has committed sins against man and God all his life, and finds himself about to die, what goes through such a man's mind? Does he still curse God and blame Him for his sickness?

Or does he relent and ask God's forgiveness? Does he instead continue on his merry way and never feel sorry for his sins? If he is an atheist, it is unlikely that he will even consider himself a sinner because he will believe that there is no life after death and there is no such thing as God the Creator or Yeshua the Saviour. The true atheist will go to his death and into the darkness thinking that he is safe from punishment, no matter what sins he committed in life.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (8) Aug 31, 2013
My views on religion and death can be read in: http://phys.org/n...ory.html
Who fucking cares you imbecile? Lets see that was the thread where you claimed
I have been a White man employed by an aerospace company in the capacity of an Engineer with many degrees
-But as we can tell from all the flooding lying ignorance you post, youre no engineer. Please see my profile page for ample proof.
kochevnik
2.1 / 5 (7) Aug 31, 2013
My views on religion and death can be read in: http://phys.org/n...ory.html
Who fucking cares you imbecile? Lets see that was the thread where you claimed
I have been a White man employed by an aerospace company in the capacity of an Engineer with many degrees
-But as we can tell from all the flooding lying ignorance you post, youre no engineer. Please see my profile page for ample proof.
He could be a social engineer
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 31, 2013
No one has ever come back from true death except for the son of God, Yeshua (Jesus), and it is Jesus whom God had appointed as the savior of Souls…to be born of woman but with the Spirit of God within Him. This is as it was prophesied and was written down long ago.

True believers do not fear death because they understand that we are all mortal and destined to die once. They will try to cling to life as long as possible, but not as hard as atheists and those who are anti-God. But true believers in God and the son of God also know enough to avoid sin because they don't wish to go through the second death, that is, the eternal and never-ending death of their Soul in the fires of hell.

Those who believe only in the importance of man and the massaging of his ego will prefer to not believe in a Supreme Being...and that's fine. We all have the "Free Will" given to us by the Creator and we are free to use it, either to our benefit, or our ruin.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 31, 2013
My views on religion and death can be read in: http://phys.org/n...ory.html
Who fucking cares you imbecile? Lets see that was the thread where you claimed
I have been a White man employed by an aerospace company in the capacity of an Engineer with many degrees
-But as we can tell from all the flooding lying ignorance you post, youre no engineer. Please see my profile page for ample proof.
He could be a social engineer
-koch

No, I am employed with an aerospace company in the Engineering Dept. where I design operational %$(#%*@)^!, which company policy forbids me to discuss in this Physorg. Spies are in here too, you know. This name I'm on now is for use in political and religious threads and for amusement, such as when ThegoatofBlottoSkorzeny (the dead Nazi) takes time from his/its heavy schedule running down others, just to say I'm lying and flooding. That is amusing to me as no others but Blotto and his sockpuppets ever complain.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
4.2 / 5 (5) Aug 31, 2013
This merely tests once again that religiosity is correlated with dysfunctional societies, known since Paul 2006. That is, when insecurity increases so does religiosity and vice versa.

Also fun to see the theologist (from "theologism") twist himself, or rather the sectarian definition of its beliefs, like a pretzel to declare manifestly non-sectarian beliefs as sectarian.

More to the point, the last DSM removed the religious exception for identification with delusion. It isn't really surprising that cancer victims suffer more from psychological problems.
Torbjorn_Larsson_OM
3.4 / 5 (5) Aug 31, 2013
Oy, a conspiracy nut creationist! Anti-science creationists shouldn't comment on science, it is hilarious and makes deconverts from religion, see Dawkins's Convert's Corner.

They shouldn't comment on history either. Even christianist "historians" acknowledge today that there were no "jewish", "christian", et cetera sects at the time the first religious texts attributed to abrahamism were written [Wikipedia] ~ 2 300 - 2 200 years ago, likely in Alexandria. (Mostly greek paganistic synchretic, as they are, with egyptian and phoenician influence. Those populations largely coexisted in Alexandria ~ 2 400 years ago.)

And we already know from archeology and history that these texts are ~ 100 % erroneous. They have some cities correctly, never kings outside of random coincidence, _never_ mythical migrations, et cetera.

So knock it off. Known myths are known myths. And take your magical stuff elsewhere, no one appreciates your personal mumbo-jumbo and your sadistic death threats.
Guy_Underbridge
5 / 5 (3) Aug 31, 2013
End of life is a scary concept. Obviously, a lot of folk aren't able to affront the idea once they've been convinced there's a way to cheat the system.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 31, 2013
Oh,BTW, koch...I like your fearless leader, Vlad Putin. I admire his reserve and cool, and how he waits for the Obama buffoon to make the wrong move. A land war is unthinkable for the U.S. in Syria, so Obama will send missiles to kill Assad's military to help the Muslim Brotherhood (who is growing in power). But Obama will succeed in killing many innocent civilians, especially children. Then he MIGHT send in U.S. troops and that could prove dangerous for America. Syria is much too close to Russia for Putin to allow such an invasion...boots on the ground, so to speak.

We cannot win this one, and President Putin knows it...just as Russia could not win in Afghanistan. Also, with a bad economy, America cannot afford such an air or land invasion.

The Saudis and Jordanians, even the Brits want no part of Obama's buffoonery and I don't blame them. I have said before, that the U.S. should stay out of Syria and let Russia handle it.
The Head Clown in the W.H. is building his legacy.
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (12) Aug 31, 2013
I have a lot of experience in Hospice and people dying and people in deep trouble. Sadly when people are going through rough times, is exactly the time when people stop listening to them and start either ignoring them or talk at them. I've observed that dying or going through major adversity is very lonely. Atheists give no hope and all too often Christians (who should know better) give only platitudes, and deny people the right to feel anger, sadness, depression. By treating a dying person as a human, I've gotten them to laugh. My advise to anyone who is going through serious adversity is that they have a right to feel anything, and the right no to feel anything.

People who aredying or facing major adversity understand God's Hesed Love. The best explanation of this is by Michael Card http://www.sbts.e...-part-1/
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (13) Aug 31, 2013
Anyone who want more information about my experiences with hospice and the dying, feel free to PM me.
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (13) Aug 31, 2013
Torb, I disagree with your comment - It isn't really surprising that cancer victims suffer more from psychological problems.-

It's not cancer victim's who suffer from psychological problems, it is those around them that are scared so much of their own mortality, that they either ignore them, offer them platitudes, or advise them to use assisted suicide.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (14) Aug 31, 2013
End of life is a scary concept. Obviously, a lot of folk aren't able to affront the idea once they've been convinced there's a way to cheat the system.
-Guy_Underbridge

I see that Torbjorn is a remorseless atheist and God-hater. That is his choice to make and he does it well.

Sure, death IS scary...which is why the old saying that there are no atheists in foxholes is most likely true. I'm not sure of your meaning. But belief in God and Yeshua is not cheating the system.
Some might call such belief and faith as "insurance" for a happy afterlife. It definitely does not hurt to utilize such belief and faith in one's life since this life is only temporary and short because we are mortal. We cannot hope to have the knowledge of what will happen to us spiritually. But we DO know that each body will decay and rot and go back to being a part of Earth. With that in mind, and not because of fear for our material selves, having faith in God and His Son helps emotionally and spiritually.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 31, 2013
IMO, atheists and God-haters have nothing. They may have family and friends and a great big TV on their wall and live in a mansion. But they are empty if they don't have love of God the Creator and Yeshua His Son. You see, your family on Earth while you live are only temporary. But God the Creator of everything and his Son are also your family. When you reject your spiritual family while you live, you are rejecting your right to everlasting life. The second life after death is really the first life because your Soul lived before you were born. When you reject God and Yeshua, it is your Soul that rejects them but clings to the temporary life of the body.

There are consequences to such a rejection. Your free will affords you the right to reject God and His Son. But you will also be rejected by God and Yeshua when you die, just as you rejected them in life.
Gmr
2.5 / 5 (8) Aug 31, 2013
It is nice to see standard bearing on full display, complete with speeches against outgroups A and B.

Regarding the article, end of life issues are very concerning precisely because they are difficult to address for all involved. The study doesn't address these: the study attempts to apply a quantifiable number in one or two places by broadening definitions and, given the idea that it is difficult to quantify a "doctrine" when so many sub-doctrines exist, ends up stating nothing much at all.

Many in the United States have a personal deity, divorced from doctrine and sect, and a set of personal beliefs.

If anything, they should have followed a smaller cohort through the process to see how individual beliefs might change, rather than comparing it to a specter of "true" religion that may or may not exist.

That is my major beef with this: Given that Denmark is Christian, how far are people from their true belief system?: when the "given" is in question.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (16) Aug 31, 2013
Torb, I disagree with your comment - It isn't really surprising that cancer victims suffer more from psychological problems.-

It's not cancer victim's who suffer from psychological problems, it is those around them that are scared so much of their own mortality, that they either ignore them, offer them platitudes, or advise them to use assisted suicide.
-freethinking

You are correct, free. It's true that family members see their dying relative and the truth hits home that someday they will be in the same situation. It is extremely uncomfortable to watch the dying process, even for professional caregivers, isn't it? The love, concern and care that you give them will surely count in your favor.

In a cemetery in Queens, NY, there is a headstone that says: (and I am paraphrasing)
"As you are now, I once was; As I am now, someday you will be". That is a very cruel epitaph, but is something that everyone will have to deal with.
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 31, 2013
For those here who are religious and have a difficult time, I hope the following will help..... For those who are not religious I ask that you respect this post and not comment.

I will rise: http://www.youtub...JpQNpSUA
I will praise you in this storm: http://www.youtub...V_p3HQQI
Come lift up your sorrows: http://www.youtub...R2ITXbaY
Job suite :http://www.youtub...nWLRn7Ww
I will not walk away (I've seen people start to cry at point 1:30 to 1:50, basically people want to speak) :http://www.youtub...sCB8hcLE
and again this explains the previous two songs from Michael card: http://www.sbts.e...-part-1/
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (17) Aug 31, 2013

Regarding the article, end of life issues are very concerning precisely because they are difficult to address for all involved. The study doesn't address these: the study attempts to apply a quantifiable number in one or two places by broadening definitions and, given the idea that it is difficult to quantify a "doctrine" when so many sub-doctrines exist, ends up stating nothing much at all.


That is the statistician's nightmare.


If anything, they should have followed a smaller cohort through the process to see how individual beliefs might change, rather than comparing it to a specter of "true" religion that may or may not exist.


"may or may not exist" doesn't qualify in that study. It is human nature to change, but this is about the end of life.

That is my major beef with this: Given that Denmark is Christian, how far are people from their true belief system?: when the "given" is in question.
-Gmr

How can you be so certain that it's questionable?
Gmr
2.5 / 5 (8) Aug 31, 2013
Misinterpretation: "May or may not exist" refers to the status of that particular flavor of organized religion "existing" in the sense of the ideal, as a force in communities, as something that actually has influence. The presumed presence and influence of an organization without any statistics or actual questioning of locals or participants to back it up: the assumption from Denmark being an ostensibly officially "Christian" country, when people may be largely heterodox to start with.
kochevnik
1.7 / 5 (12) Aug 31, 2013
Oh,BTW, koch...I like your fearless leader, Vlad Putin.
Thanks, socks. Russians are natural anarchists Even the bureaucrats. I wish more of our perspective passed from Ayn Rand to American libertarianism. Unfortunately only the anti-social bits seem to have outlived Rand
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (17) Aug 31, 2013
Misinterpretation: "May or may not exist" refers to the status of that particular flavor of organized religion "existing" in the sense of the ideal, as a force in communities, as something that actually has influence. The presumed presence and influence of an organization without any statistics or actual questioning of locals or participants to back it up: the assumption from Denmark being an ostensibly officially "Christian" country, when people may be largely heterodox to start with.
-Gmr

The status of any organized religion in Denmark is apparently shaky at best due to the country's Socialism and increasing gay and lesbian presence in the population. I believe those who actually are religious are mostly Lutheran in a quite secularly dominated society. Will Lutheranism die out when the old Danes (and Swedes) pass away? Most likely. Northern Europe has become extremely secular under Socialism and their birth rate is decreasing at an alarming rate.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (17) Aug 31, 2013
Oh,BTW, koch...I like your fearless leader, Vlad Putin.
Thanks, socks. Russians are natural anarchists Even the bureaucrats. I wish more of our perspective passed from Ayn Rand to American libertarianism. Unfortunately only the anti-social bits seem to have outlived Rand
-Kochevnik

Ayn Rand espoused Free Market Capitalism. But the U.S. hasn't had such an ideal for possibly a hundred years or more. She was a true anachronism who didn't really keep up with the times. But she saw the evils of Socialism and Communism coming our way and tried very hard to prevent it from happening with her literary works, seminars and speeches.
She was a Russian Jewess who had changed her name and then married an actor named O'Connor. I think she was enthralled with her heroine in "Atlas Shrugged" and it caused her to be unfaithful. But, I suppose her strong dislike for religion made her behavior acceptable, but many of us did not approve of it.
GoodImp
2 / 5 (8) Aug 31, 2013
@ Obama socks,

It seems as though you have something to prove with your statement ...."No, I am employed with an aerospace company in the Engineering Dept. where I design operational %$(#%*@)^!, which company policy forbids me to discuss in this Physorg."....If you are working projects which requires an non-disclosure agreement and yet hint to a possible project, If I were a higher-up being made aware of your *hinted* disclosure would create distrust in your ability to work quietly. I would be even more concerned if you are tied to any classified project your company may a contract out with a client (U.S. Gov't).

Please correct me if I'm reading into this incorrectly, but do keep about quiet what you're working on if it requires symbols to cover disclosure.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (14) Aug 31, 2013
@GoodImp
Many of my colleagues and "higher-ups" visit this website and another one that I know of. We all keep tabs on each other for security purposes. That's not to say that we can't have fun in Physorg like everyone else. But we are all cleared for ___ and we all are aware that spies are everywhere. That is why I limit my comments to politics and religion and an occasional comment in other threads that have nothing to do with my work.
Thank you for your concern. I appreciate it.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (16) Sep 01, 2013
Oy, a conspiracy nut creationist! Anti-science creationists shouldn't comment on science, it is hilarious and makes deconverts from religion, see Dawkins's Convert's Corner.


Dawkins is a jerk and so are you.

They shouldn't comment on history either. Even christianist "historians" acknowledge today that there were no "jewish", "christian", et cetera sects at the time the first religious texts attributed to abrahamism were written [Wikipedia] ~ 2 300 - 2 200 years ago, likely in Alexandria.


It's been well known for decades if not longer that Abraham and Sarah were not Jews, even though religious Jews claim that they were.

2,200 ya was long before the birth of Christ. Whatever gave you the idea there were Christians 200 years before He was born?

(Mostly greek paganistic synchretic, as they are, with egyptian and phoenician influence.
-Torbjorn

There is no "h" in syncretic.


BAKOON
2 / 5 (12) Sep 01, 2013
Their self-condemnation will prove their undoing when they die and each one's Soul is forced to remain in the body and can FEEL the agonies of being part of a rotting corpse.

The Soul of an evil person will feel all the pains of a hellish existence as it is placed in the ground in darkness that is blacker than night. It has time for reflection of its evil ways and evil thoughts, words and deeds that it had while it lived.

The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say.
-Obama_socks, King Idiot

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Sep 01, 2013
Their self-condemnation will prove their undoing when they die and each one's Soul is forced to remain in the body and can FEEL the agonies of being part of a rotting corpse.

The Soul of an evil person will feel all the pains of a hellish existence as it is placed in the ground in darkness that is blacker than night. It has time for reflection of its evil ways and evil thoughts, words and deeds that it had while it lived.

The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say.
-Obama_socks, King Idiot
-BABOON, another sockpuppet of Theghostofotto1923

Blotto, I already gave that link.

You seem perturbed and worried. That must mean that YOU are an evil person. But we have known this for years.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) Sep 01, 2013
Yes, the Sun WILL explode. If you read the Bible and your hands don't catch fire, you will find in Genesis1 that God divided the waters and raised up the land. Then God created the seeds for the grasses and fruit trees to grow. He said, "Let there be Light", and the Light emanated FROM God that lit up the world. It was after that that God created the Sun and the stars. The Moon was taken from the Earth and set in the firmament above Earth later.
God created the Earth first, and after the seething mass of lava and volcanic activity settled down, the gases from the Earth rose in the meantime and formed clouds. It started raining and the rain filled the surface of the Earth before there was dry land.
The Earth was created by God for the purpose of creating man and woman in His image AFTER He had created the first cell and gave it life. The first cell came from CHNOPS and other elements and He worked with that mixture to give it life, and then let evolution take its course.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) Sep 01, 2013
And yes, Evolution played a big part in the progression of each subsequent species that evolved from the first live cell.
The pile of CHNOPS, molybdenum,etc. would have remained just a pile of elements sitting around somewhere with nothing coming of it. But God took that pile and, using reason and logic, methodically caused each element to take its proper place in order to form the cell's body and innards so that everything worked perfectly. The cell had all its ducks in a row, so to speak, and God only had to use His Energy to start up the tiny "machine" so that it could become self-aware with EM coursing through its neurons, etc.

The Sun was created by God. Notice its almost perfect roundness and its relative stability. The Earth, also created by God was placed within the correct distance from the Sun so that the temperatures on Earth are tolerable to all living creatures.

But the Solar system is destined for destruction as the Sun explodes. That will happen after Judgement Day.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (16) Sep 01, 2013
I am certain that deep down, Theghostofotto1923 and others fear retribution and the death of his Soul even while maligning God and His Son, Yeshua. What you do in life, you will reap the consequences when you die.

Laugh at the messenger and the message, if you wish. But you will face the consequences of your evil ways, nevertheless. Your weeks, months and years will pass by quicker than you realize...and when you are at your final moment, you will understand that you have condemned yourself to eternal punishment.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.6 / 5 (7) Sep 01, 2013
Cells don't have neurons you FUCKING imbecile, let alone self-awareness. Stop vandalizing this site and LEAVE. Toilets are for relieving yourself in, not science news sites.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (16) Sep 01, 2013
How do you know that cell didn't come equipped with everything. It was created by God, not you.
Why the hell don't YOU leave. YOU are the one cluttering up this website with your uncontrollable nasty idiotic childishness. Nobody likes you except when you use your sockpuppets to upvote you. You're a menace to this science site. GET OUT AND STAY OUT!!
BAKOON
1.7 / 5 (11) Sep 01, 2013
The Soul of an evil person will feel all the pains of a hellish existence as it is placed in the ground in darkness that is blacker than night. It has time for reflection of its evil ways and evil thoughts, words and deeds that it had while it lived.

The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say.
-Obama_socks, King Idiot

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

Nobody likes you except when you use your sockpuppets to upvote you.
Actually, it seems like the only time anyone likes Otto is when he is messing with you. Notice he hasn't received any ones yet.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) Sep 01, 2013
That's because nobody wants to get their name on Blotto's Activity page or else he will know who doesn't like him. They want to avoid getting nasty PMs and be ripped to shreds. And since you are just another one of Blotto's sucksuckpuppets, why doesn't Blotto use his primary name instead of BABOON or JohnGee or lite or toot or open or....or....
BAKOON
1.7 / 5 (12) Sep 02, 2013
5 hours and no one has voted Otto down yet. They must really dislike you Obama_socks.

We will all be 6 feet under by or before 2113. But if you really don't like my suggestion for a new kind of spaceship, I will not draw up the design and work out the plans for it to be built in the future before the Sun explodes.
-Obama_socks, MENTALLY ILL Idiot
Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

You're such a damn idiot.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (14) Sep 02, 2013
ROFLOL....oooh that hurts so bad

Anyway, as I said above which you forgot to read: "That's because nobody wants to get their name on Blotto's Activity page or else he will know who doesn't like him. They want to avoid getting nasty PMs and be ripped to shreds. And since you are just another one of Blotto's sucksuckpuppets, why doesn't Blotto use his primary name instead of BABOON or JohnGee or lite or toot or open or....or...."
BAKOON
1.7 / 5 (12) Sep 02, 2013
6 hours and no one disagrees with Otto.

Their self-condemnation will prove their undoing when they die and each one's Soul is forced to remain in

the body and can FEEL the agonies of being part of a rotting corpse.

The Soul of an evil person will feel all the pains of a hellish existence as it is placed in the ground in

darkness that is blacker than night. It has time for reflection of its evil ways and evil thoughts, words

and deeds that it had while it lived.

The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time

until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say.
-Obama_socks, child molesting idiot

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) Sep 02, 2013
Well, you see, Blotto/BAKOON...as I said in the other thread to Q-Star (and I KNOW you're not him),
Oh never mind what I said to Q-Star in the other thread. But with people like Theghostofotto1923 in this world, I don't think it's worth saving. There's just not enough good people to save from what's coming.

ROFLOL...BAKOON/BABOON the child molester calling ME a child molester. Shows how Physorg tolerates sucksuckpuppet child molesters.
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (15) Sep 02, 2013
I called BAKOON a child molester in the other Mars thread, so now he has to call me the same thing in this thread. What a loser.
BAKOON
1.6 / 5 (13) Sep 02, 2013
As I explained before, those who suffer from SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, like yourself, are prone to psychological PROJECTION. Your accusations of child molestation are proof you are a child molester.

This is also evidenced by the fact you always were friendly with Oliver Manuel, a known child molester (of his own children) on this site. You are his sockpuppet. Please kill yourself before you ruin anymore lives.
JohnGee
2.1 / 5 (11) Sep 02, 2013
This is dumb as hell. Stop it guys.
BAKOON
1.7 / 5 (12) Sep 02, 2013
Gee, look at how diseased and evil Obama_sock's mind is:
Their self-condemnation will prove their undoing when they die and each one's Soul is forced to remain in

the body and can FEEL the agonies of being part of a rotting corpse.

The Soul of an evil person will feel all the pains of a hellish existence as it is placed in the ground in

darkness that is blacker than night. It has time for reflection of its evil ways and evil thoughts, words

and deeds that it had while it lived.

The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time

until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say.


Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (11) Sep 06, 2013
LOL...BAKOON the pretend Black man said that I was a friend of Oliver Manual!!
Nope, I have never even spoken to Manual on Physorg or anywhere else. I don't approve of pedophilia as BAKOON/Theghostofotto1923 is said to enjoy the practice of child molestation.

That is not surprising, since Theghostofotto1923 talks about women as though they are trash. Blotto always claims that women continue to have babies until they are dead. That is a blatant lie that Blotto has perpetrated on Physorg for years.

Theghostofotto1923 also said that women stink like fish, ie, "womanly smells". Do you remember that one, Blotto?
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (10) Sep 06, 2013
LOL...there is nothing evil or false about what I said regarding what happens to evil people's Soul when they die. Of course, the Souls of all evil people remain in their body after death, and the Soul can FEEL all the pain and agony of his/her rotting corpse which is in the process of breaking down into its atoms and going back to the dirt. This is a normal process because the evil person condemns himself while alive. Maybe BAKOON/Theghostofotto1923 expects that the evil person's Soul will be rewarded with Heaven?

For someone who doesn't believe in Souls, Heaven, Hell and an after-life, Theghostofotto (and sucksuckpuppets seems to be quite agitated by what I've said.

If you don't believe, then ignore what I've said. It doesn't make any difference to me. You can plaster my comment all over the internet for all I care. You condemn your Soul to a dark Hell while you await Judgment.
BAKOON
1 / 5 (8) Sep 06, 2013
Obama_socks' MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER is showing again. He thinks because a former banned sockpuppet of his was quite chummy with Oliver Manuel (incestuous child rapist), that it doesn't count as him. Sorry idiot, you were knowingly friends with a guy that raped his own children.

You liked him because he was a scientist that would actually talk to you. Generally, scientists can be choosey about not talking to idiots, but when you rape your own children and word gets out, other scientists don't want to talk to you. So he was forced to make do with you.

The hell stuff is your own special brand of dumb. It's like you sat down at the keyboard one day and thought "arrg I hate these people so much. There needs to be SUPER HELL for them." Then you promptly convinced yourself it exists because you are an insane moron.

Of course, the Souls of all evil people remain in their body...
A smart person, even believing that, would not start the sentence with "of course". Massive hubris.