Global warming to cut snow water storage 56 percent in Oregon watershed

Jul 26, 2013
Global warming to cut snow water storage 56 percent in Oregon watershed
The McKenzie River watershed in the Oregon Cascade Range is projected to have less than half the water it now gets from snow melt by the middle of this century. Credit: Oregon State University

A new report projects that by the middle of this century there will be an average 56 percent drop in the amount of water stored in peak snowpack in the McKenzie River watershed of the Oregon Cascade Range - and that similar impacts may be found on low-elevation maritime snow packs around the world.

The findings by scientists at Oregon State University, which are based on a projected 3.6 degree Fahrenheit temperature increase, highlight the special risks facing many low-elevation, mountainous regions where often falls near the freezing point. In such areas, changing from snow to rain only requires a very modest rise in temperature.

As in Oregon, which depends on Cascade Range for much of the water in the populous Willamette Valley, there may be significant impacts on ecosystems, agriculture, hydropower, industry, municipalities and recreation, especially in summer when water demands peak.

The latest study was one of the most precise of its type done on an entire watershed, and was just published in Hydrology and Earth System Sciences, with support from the National Science Foundation. It makes it clear that new choices are coming for western Oregon and other regions like it.

"In Oregon we have a water-rich environment, but even here we will have to manage our water resources differently in the future," said Eric Sproles, who led this study as a doctoral student at OSU.

Global warming to cut snow water storage 56 percent in Oregon watershed
This graphic shows the McKenzie River watershed in the Oregon Cascade Range. Credit: Oregon State University

"In the Willamette River, for instance, between 60-80 percent of summer stream flow comes from seasonal snow above 4,000 feet," he said. "As more precipitation falls as rain, there will more chance of winter flooding as well as summer drought in the same season. More than 70 percent of Oregon's population lives in the Willamette Valley, with the economy and ecosystems depending heavily on this river."

Annual precipitation in the future may be either higher or lower, the OSU researchers said. They did calculations for precipitation changes that could range 10 percent in either direction, although change of that magnitude is not anticipated by most climate models.

The study made clear, so far as snowpack goes, that temperature is the driving force, far more than precipitation. Even the highest levels of anticipated precipitation had almost no impact on snow-water storage, they said.

"This is not an issue that will just affect Oregon," said Anne Nolin, a professor in the College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences, and co-author of the study. "You may see similar impacts almost anywhere around the world that has low-elevation snow in mountains, such as in Japan, New Zealand, Northern California, the Andes Mountains, a lot of Eastern Europe and the lower-elevation Alps."

The focus of this study was the McKenzie River, a beautiful, clear mountain river that rises in the high Cascade Range near the Three Sisters volcanoes, and supplies about 25 percent of the late summer discharge of the Willamette River. Researchers said this is one of the most detailed studies of its type done on a large watershed.

Among the findings of the study:

  • The average date of peak snowpack in the spring on this watershed will be about 12 days earlier by the middle of this century.
  • The elevation zone from 1,000 to 1,500 meters will lose the greatest volume of stored water, and some locations at that elevation could lose more than 80 days of snow cover in an average year.
  • Changes in dam operations in the McKenzie River watershed will be needed, but will not be able to make up for the vast capability of water storage in snow.
  • Summer water flows will be going down even as Oregon's population surges by about 400,000 people from 2010 to 2020.
  • Globally, maritime snow comprises about 10 percent of the Earth's seasonal snow cover.
  • Snowmelt is a source of water for more than one billion people.
  • Precipitation is highly sensitive to temperature and can fall as rain, snow, or a rain-snow mix.

The model developed for this research, scientists said, could be readily adapted to help other regions in similar situations determine their future loss of snow in the future.

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NikFromNYC
1.7 / 5 (35) Jul 26, 2013
"...based on a projected 3.6 degree Fahrenheit temperature increase..."

A quick reality check is to look at a state's trend in the two months when neither nearby heating or A/C use (compared to former decades) contaminate thermometer stations:

October shows no warming in 117 years: http://oi43.tinyp...8k90.jpg
April shows steady cooling: http://oi43.tinyp...9ird.jpg

From the abstract: "Analyses of current climate and projected climate change impacts show rising temperatures in the region."
NikFromNYC
1.9 / 5 (37) Jul 26, 2013
Recent news:

"Nickolas Drapela appears to have been highly competent and well-liked by his students. Some have even taken up the fight to have him reinstated. What could possibly have provoked the OSU administration to take precipitous action against one of their academics who has been on their staff for ten years, just bought a house in Corvallis, and has four young children (one with severe medical problems)? Dr. Drapela is an outspoken critic of the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming, the official religion of the State of Oregon, the Oregon Democratic Party, and Governor John Kitzhaber. Five years ago, Oregon State Climatologist George Taylor went around quietly saying that he was not a believer. Then Governor Ted Kulongoski and many faculty at OSU including Dr. Jane Lubchenco made life impossible for Taylor, and he retired. (Lubchenco is now head of NOAA in the Obama administration.) Under those currently in charge, OSU climate research has grown to be a huge business...."
NikFromNYC
1.6 / 5 (37) Jul 26, 2013
University of Oregon calls for forced mental treatment of skeptics:

http://oi41.tinyp...xclg.jpg

Kari Marie Norgaard, professor of sociology and environmental studies at the University of Oregon:

http://moonbatter...aard.jpg
Tektrix
3.8 / 5 (17) Jul 26, 2013
You have a bad day in Oregon or something?
Kiwini
1.6 / 5 (27) Jul 26, 2013
.."peak snowpack in the McKenzie River watershed of the Oregon Cascade Range - and that similar impacts may be found on low-elevation maritime snow packs around the world."

1) WTF is "peak snowpack?... does the term peak refer to the location of said snowpack, the quantity at said location, the max amount over time?...

2) And would someone 'splain how the source of the McKenzie river is a "maritime snowpack"?. It begins ~ 100 miles from the ocean, flows west, and the river ends when it joins the larger Willamette, still 50 miles from salt water. Then it goes north toward the Columbia, instead of flowing uphill over the Coast Range in a manner that this "Earth Science" crapfest tries to suggest.

The locals are doing a pretty good job at picking about today's PDX release of the same article- http://www.oregon...pac.html

-it's as welcome as the Federal plan to help Spotted Owls survive by shooting other specie
thermodynamics
4.1 / 5 (17) Jul 26, 2013
Nik: Please see your doctor about adjusting your medications as soon as possible. I am worried about you.

This is an article about the availability of water under changing conditions, not about individuals at Universities in Oregon. If you have a technical comment about the article (instead of picking two months and drawing a graph), please make them. Otherwise, tighten the tinfoil hat and take all the meds on the shelf.
PeterParker
3.5 / 5 (21) Jul 26, 2013
"October shows no warming in 117 years:" - NikkieTard

How about every third sunday at 4:57 am. Do they show warming, TardieBoy?

PeterParker
3.4 / 5 (20) Jul 26, 2013
"University of Oregon calls for forced mental treatment of skeptics:" - NikkieTard

Yup. Everyone recognizes at this point that denialists are suffering from deep mental illness.

Take your meds Tardieboy...

PeterParker
3.5 / 5 (22) Jul 26, 2013
"WTF is "peak snowpack?... " - BlatchFornCake

Hmmm, lets see... Peak means maximum and snow pack refers to a pile of snow.

So peak snowpack would mean the maximum thickness of the pile of snow that accumulates in winter.

Clearly this is Rocket Science to you.
PeterParker
3.2 / 5 (20) Jul 26, 2013
Nickolas Drapela - OSU Instructor, Dismissed Justifiably

http://davidappel...bly.html
NikFromNYC
1.5 / 5 (30) Jul 26, 2013
Video: Gavin Schmidt who runs RealClimate.org pleads for warmists to abandon use of 'denier':

http://junkscienc...-denier/
NikFromNYC
1.5 / 5 (32) Jul 26, 2013
WattsUpWithThat.com is presently the top rated science blog, and its spazzy effect on Al Gore's followers even has it's own music video:

http://www.youtub...9mp7it8o
NikFromNYC
1.6 / 5 (33) Jul 26, 2013
Your link to Dave Appell's blog confirms that global warming activists are potential tyrants, all based on slandering skeptics as CO2 effect deniers. That's how they created a smoke screen to hide the massive and highly speculative water vapor feedback that their multi degree disaster scenarios all rely on via computer models. Here's Dave last year:.

"They are too many, and too stupid. So what to do about them?

I don't know. Donald Brown, the philosopher at Penn State who has been writing about the ethics of climate change for well over a decade -- I interviewed him in the early 2000s -- thinks they are perhaps guilty of crimes against humanity.

Are they? Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes?

I think so. You can't simply claim that CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas."

http://davidappel...lem.html
NikFromNYC
1.4 / 5 (31) Jul 26, 2013
The devastatingly amusing Al Gore viddy is restored here after yet another activist take down of a minute long free use clip posting on YouTube:

http://tinypic.co...=34q0c51

Censorship, multiple accounts and robo downrating of comments within seconds are standard fare in the billion dollar world of those who stake climate claims on our economy. The video in full can be found via Google since once again it's not on YouTube at all: Al Gore What Up With That.

The Gavin Schmidt video is now down too, though I just played it this morning.
NikFromNYC
1.5 / 5 (32) Jul 26, 2013
Gavin video restored: http://tinypic.com/r/2lsehp2/5

I dated an intellectual property lawyer for seventeen years, so I do have some clue about fair use of newsworthy clips of public figures in editorial commentary.
VendicarE
3.5 / 5 (17) Jul 26, 2013
"Video: Gavin Schmidt who runs RealClimate.org pleads for warmists to abandon use of 'denier':" - NikkieTard

Of course there is no Video at the sight that the Mentally ill links to.

It's all in his vivid imagination.
VendicarE
3.5 / 5 (17) Jul 26, 2013
"Gavin video restored: http://tinypic.co...sehp2/5" - NikkieTard

Gavin clearly states, do not link global warming denialists with holocaust denialists because it makes the denialists sad and gassy.

He probably prefers that they just be called Liars.

Don't you agree NikkieTard?

VendicarE
3.6 / 5 (16) Jul 26, 2013
"The devastatingly amusing Al Gore viddy is restored here" - NikkieTard

More non-existent video from the master self Delusionist, NikkieTard.

VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (18) Jul 26, 2013
"Your link to Dave Appell's blog confirms that global warming activists are potential tyrants," - NikkieTard

We don't like liars. Lying is contrary to the laws of man and God.

That is why we find you abhorrent.
VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (18) Jul 26, 2013
"Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes? I think so." - NikkieTard

They should be executed for the crime of treason against nature an man.

NikFromNYC
1.5 / 5 (30) Jul 26, 2013
Al Gore video working link: http://tinypic.com/r/34q0c51/5
meBigGuy
3.5 / 5 (19) Jul 27, 2013
Ahhh.... Cool. Got in my odd hour (it's 9 here) marking of Nik's posts with a 1. Next time I'll do it at an even hour.
NikFromNYC
1.4 / 5 (31) Jul 27, 2013
Ahhh.... Cool. Got in my odd hour (it's 9 here) marking of Nik's posts with a 1. Next time I'll do it at an even hour.


Ahead of time, he already knows how much he hates official data plots and news tidbits, here on Facebook. I don't like to waste people's time but these last few weeks I hope it hasn't been a waste of time to calmly expose the underbelly and fangs of Global Warming activism.

P.S. With the Ad Block Plus plug-in for Firefox, you can zap the popularity stars altogether here.
Egleton
3.1 / 5 (25) Jul 27, 2013
I am afraid I do not understand you Nik.
I have this vague impression that the Climate Catastrophe is a Nefarious Plot to. .to. .to ??

Let me guess. Exterminate the Untermenschen? Make a lot of money? Prevent you from making a lot of money? Prevent you from exterminating the untermenschen? Deprive you of your God Given Right to drive a V8?
Or is it just an excuse to rant?
I know how you feel, I felt the same way too. I found that no-one really gives a shit about my feelings.
aroc91
2.3 / 5 (16) Jul 27, 2013
You haven't been (re-)banned yet, VendicarE. Why resort to sockpuppeting so soon with PeterParker?
NikFromNYC
1.6 / 5 (32) Jul 27, 2013
I am afraid I do not understand you Nik.
I have this vague impression that the Climate Catastrophe is a Nefarious Plot to. .to. .to ??


It's just old fashioned government money promoted corruption of a small area of science that happened to go viral since it meshed with far left wing politics. The best analogy to such single bullet theory of a complex issue is how scientist Ancel Keys successfully promoted dietary fat and cholesterol as being the central cause of heart disease, just as now CO2 is blamed as the central cause of recent warming. I live just down from James Hansen's old headquarters above Tom's Diner, and have ever since I got a Ph.D. in chemistry from Columbia, where my old lab mate recently served as department chairman. When junk science is promoted so strongly, my entire positive self image as a scientist by training becomes a source of shame rather than pride, for unless I speak out I fail the society who fully funded my stays at Columbia and Harvard.
NikFromNYC
1.5 / 5 (31) Jul 27, 2013
Egleton, I wonder why you act so confused about my motivation when in threads like this one there are public calls for the literal execution of those of us who suffer from clear minded independent thinking with an obsession with facts and raw data. Your inquiry suggests insincerity or at least severe lack of emotional intelligence after my life has just been threatened by an fanatical psychopath who represents your evident side of the "debate."

You do make one good point, namely that there's is not just a lot but hundreds of *billions* of dollars being funneled into green banking schemes, based on lies about polar bears and a conspiracy theory about skepticism now supported not by real reporting but mainstream *faking* of Heartland institute correspondence by climatologist Peter Gleick.

He was caught by a Google search of his bizarre term "anti-climate," and of course the use of his own name as a scientist evidently under attack by their evil conspiracy.
deepsand
2.5 / 5 (26) Jul 27, 2013
I hear a padded cell calling for Nik.
NikFromNYC
1.6 / 5 (33) Jul 27, 2013
Egleton, I'll spell my motivation out more simply:

These NASA rogues who claim to be a part of Columbia University are trashing the proud scientific reputation of my neighborhood alma mater and threatening to kill my super smart friends either by Earth First eco-terrorist attacks or public hangings.

Here is Greenpeace trying to to turn school kids into the Unabomber:

http://www.youtub...875_rv1s
thermodynamics
3.9 / 5 (15) Jul 27, 2013
Egleton, I'll spell my motivation out more simply:

These NASA rogues who claim to be a part of Columbia University are trashing the proud scientific reputation of my neighborhood alma mater and threatening to kill my super smart friends either by Earth First eco-terrorist attacks or public hangings.

Here is Greenpeace trying to to turn school kids into the Unabomber:

http://www.youtub...875_rv1s


Nick: That was an interesting video. I don't see the kid as a Unabomber, I see him as someone who sees the possibility of his future being modified by your intransigence. I see you as more of the bomber type when you talk about "NASA Rogues" and are concerned about eco-terrorist threats and public hangings. It seems you are just as worried as the boy about your future if there is action to mitigate AGW and it costs you a farthing. This article discussed real water problems. Your response is to belittle a boy who is worried about the future.
NikFromNYC
1.6 / 5 (32) Jul 27, 2013
I hear a padded cell calling for Nik.


Actually, I just finished a frozen blueberry smoothie with my Bengal cat curled up next to me in air conditioned bliss as I play with Rhino software to design a jigsaw puzzle sort of dodecahedron with tall UV cured lenses on top of gold sputter coated diffraction gratings, and this little skepticism hobby serves as a nice break as I wonder if I should tweak some more or go cut some parts on the hot rod CNC machine in the other room that overlooks a mile of Broadway, USA. The psychological tension of being exposed may cause you to project wild eyed and bitter tension onto me, for the cult of Gaia does need at least an imagined and necessarily dehumanized foe in order to render you into self-perceived good guys, even world saviors, but really what you are is just dupes of slick haired tobacco farming oil money billionaires.
NikFromNYC
1.6 / 5 (32) Jul 27, 2013
thermodynamics wrote: "I see you as more of the bomber type when you talk about "NASA Rogues" and are concerned about eco-terrorist threats and public hangings."

I speak objectively of publicly expressed incitement to violence towards skeptics, such as the gleeful blowing up of children here that certainly should give pause in a world of school shootings:

http://www.youtub...CH-Xc0co

Al Gore's message has already become a standard manifesto of the worst psychopaths, all pointed towards Global Warming skeptics as attack worthy bogeymen:

http://oi52.tinyp...u71i.jpg

I use the term "NASA rogues" since their mainstream members cringe at Hansen's public alarmism and I professionally agree with their opinion:

http://a2.img.mob...arge.jpg

The one thing you activists can't imagine is that I'm just a better trained science guy than you who spotted fraud and am doing online what is responsible to do: exposing it.
NikFromNYC
1.7 / 5 (33) Jul 27, 2013
thermodynamics also said: "Your response is to belittle a boy who is worried about the future."

Yes, besides dangerous extremists there are those with noble hearts who do not have the background or temperament to question what most official scientific bodies still strongly support: a HIGHLY WATER VAPOR AMPLIFIED greenhouse effect. Well it turned out that processed carbohydrate intake was more important by far to heart disease than fat intake, despite decades of a Food Pyramid that blamed fat and cholesterol.

Consensus: There is an ether that pervades space. Continents don't move (despite an obvious jigsaw puzzle match between them)! Dirty hands don't kill surgical patients! Children are a blank slate, personality wise with no genetic influence! The best therapy is to treat human beings as if we were shocking pigeons and ringing bells for dogs. Non-coding DNA is"junk". Viruses have nothing to do with ulcers or certain cancers. Bacterial spontaneously generate.
runrig
4.1 / 5 (15) Jul 27, 2013
The one thing you activists can't imagine is that I'm just a better trained science guy than you who spotted fraud and am doing online what is responsible to do: exposing it.


One thing you deniers can't imagine is that I''m a better trained science guy than you who abhors ignorance and am doing online what is (the)responsible to do: denying it.

You see how it works?
Egleton
3.6 / 5 (19) Jul 27, 2013
Thanks for helping me understand your fears Nik.
Can you understand ours?
meBigGuy
4.2 / 5 (19) Jul 27, 2013
Nik, Looking at your Consensus examples, I'm afraid you are on the wrong side. You should add "humans can't cause climate change, only natural cycles can". You will always be able to use cherry picked examples out of context to "prove" your science-free assertions. I totally support your right to do that and the laughs it provides. Admittedly there is *some* bad science out there, but it doesn't invalidate all the good science. You remind me of someone I know that read a book that "proved" the global warming fraud. He said "show me a *book* that proves global warming is real". As of that moment he was no longer my doctor.
Neinsense99
3 / 5 (24) Jul 28, 2013
Warring comments aside, it's a nice picture. Hike it while you can.
antigoracle
1.4 / 5 (30) Jul 28, 2013
Looking for the punch line.....
The findings by scientists at Oregon State University, which are based on a projected 3.6 degree Fahrenheit temperature increase

... there it is.
rwinners
2.3 / 5 (18) Jul 28, 2013
Oregon is in better shape than states like California. Oregon has the Olympic river on much of it's northern border and can lay claim to some of that.
Oregonians will just have to start moving water around... ala California...
thermodynamics
5 / 5 (10) Jul 28, 2013
Oregon is in better shape than states like California. Oregon has the Olympic river on much of it's northern border and can lay claim to some of that.
Oregonians will just have to start moving water around... ala California...


rwiners: Do you mean the Columbia river as the north border of Oregon?
rwinners
3.8 / 5 (12) Jul 29, 2013
Oregon is in better shape than states like California. Oregon has the Olympic river on much of it's northern border and can lay claim to some of that.
Oregonians will just have to start moving water around... ala California...


rwiners: Do you mean the Columbia river as the north border of Oregon?

Yikes... I blame age....
rwinners
3.8 / 5 (13) Jul 29, 2013
Well, in one Oregon watershed....
Unbiased Observer
1.6 / 5 (26) Jul 29, 2013
I can't help but notice that VendicarE, PeterParker (aka VendicarE), and pretty much all those supporting the idea of anthropogenic climate change offer no arguements without ad hominem as the primary focus.

I also note that when called on this they will then excuse themselves with assurances of moral superiority which excuse their uncivil and illogical behavior...

Is a request for civility when discussing something such an outrageous idea?

SteveS
4.1 / 5 (14) Jul 29, 2013
@ Unbiased

... pretty much all those supporting the idea of anthropogenic climate change offer no arguements without ad hominem as the primary focus.


I think you will find this is true of those opposing the idea of anthropogenic climate change as well.
geokstr
1.6 / 5 (29) Jul 29, 2013
I can't help but notice that VendicarE, PeterParker (aka VendicarE), and pretty much all those supporting the idea of anthropogenic climate change offer no arguements without ad hominem as the primary focus.

Is a request for civility when discussing something such an outrageous idea?

Welcome to the physorg.com openly pro-AGW site.

VendicarE(Decarian,A,B,C,D,E...Zz) and his sockpuppets are the most abusive commenters I have encountered in 10 years of following political and scientific blogs. Nearly every comment he makes here (and he is one of the most prolific) on any post remotely, tangentially related to politics, religion, climate, economics and more, is filled with ad homs of the vilest nature.

He has to change his nic periodically when the moderators, pro-AGW as they are, apparently do understand that he is costing them page views and ban the old one. Too bad they took away the ability to see who rates comments, because he's been caught upvoting himself many times.
geokstr
1.6 / 5 (29) Jul 29, 2013
... pretty much all those supporting the idea of anthropogenic climate change offer no arguements without ad hominem as the primary focus.


I think you will find this is true of those opposing the idea of anthropogenic climate change as well.

SteveS, you must not have been coming here long, as that statement is disingenuous, to be charitable.

I read every thread here on any post with a significant number of comments, for the last 5 years or so. There is only one anti-AGW commenter who regularly uses ad homs, and this is after taking Vendicar's vicious comments for months. (I report him as well.) All the others are reasonably civil. All have been subjected to repeated attacks on their sanity, called filth and much worse, and been the subject of literal death threats, along with everyone else who agrees with them, from him as well for years.

Follow this site for a while and then see what you think. If you don't change your mind, that will say a lot...about you.
SteveS
4 / 5 (16) Jul 29, 2013
SteveS, you must not have been coming here long


Username: SteveS
Member since: August 29, 2008

Username: geokstr
Member since: November 4, 2010

as that statement is disingenuous, to be charitable.


disingenuous
Lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous; insincere

Ad hom?

If you don't change your mind, that will say a lot...about you.


If I don't agree with you I'm a fool?

Ad hom?
Howhot
3.8 / 5 (17) Jul 29, 2013
The geokstr says:
Welcome to the physorg.com openly pro-AGW site.
Really??? There is something called a PRO-AGW site? And its not an environmentally enlightened and truthful site? Have you, along with several other AGW DENIERS, just not realized you are NOT ENLIGHTENED? What is this world coming to when tards take over the world?

The problem with you deniers is you treat your denial-ism (and stupidity) like it was some religion ot a bag of honor, to be admired and worshiped like an anti-education demon from the goose stepping wingnut from the Hannity patrol! What is wrong with America is YOU!

The problem is the global warming stuff is getting serious, and you AGW DENIERS are still wrong, moronic, foolish, and yes total tards. Enjoy your evening.


Cool Buff Man
3 / 5 (20) Jul 29, 2013
Geokstr is a well known fascist idiot around these parts.
deepsand
2.6 / 5 (25) Jul 30, 2013
I can't help but notice that VendicarE, PeterParker (aka VendicarE), and pretty much all those supporting the idea of anthropogenic climate change offer no arguements without ad hominem as the primary focus.

I cannot help but notice that nearly all of the denialists are inveterate liars, deserving of naught but scorn and ridicule.
deepsand
2.5 / 5 (24) Jul 30, 2013
VendicarE(Decarian,A,B,C,D,E...Zz) and his sockpuppets are the most abusive commenters I have encountered in 10 years of following political and scientific blogs. Nearly every comment he makes here (and he is one of the most prolific) on any post remotely, tangentially related to politics, religion, climate, economics and more, is filled with ad homs of the vilest nature.

I read every thread here on any post with a significant number of comments, for the last 5 years or so. There is only one anti-AGW commenter who regularly uses ad homs, and this is after taking Vendicar's vicious comments for months. (I report him as well.) All the others are reasonably civil.


Have you consulted a doctor about your selective vision?
deepsand
2.7 / 5 (24) Jul 30, 2013
I can't help but notice that VendicarE, PeterParker (aka VendicarE), and pretty much all those supporting the idea of anthropogenic climate change offer no arguements without ad hominem as the primary focus.

I cannot help but notice that nearly all of the denialists are inveterate liars, deserving of naught but scorn and ridicule.

Correction: Should read "inveterate liars and/or sophists."
Neinsense99
2.7 / 5 (21) Jul 30, 2013
I can't help but notice that VendicarE, PeterParker (aka VendicarE), and pretty much all those supporting the idea of anthropogenic climate change offer no arguements without ad hominem as the primary focus.

I also note that when called on this they will then excuse themselves with assurances of moral superiority which excuse their uncivil and illogical behavior...

Is a request for civility when discussing something such an outrageous idea?


You'll also notice that most commenters who support the concept of a heliocentric solar system don't often provide arguments supporting Copernicus, for much the same reasons.
VendicarE
3.9 / 5 (14) Jul 30, 2013
"WattsUpWithThat.com is presently the top rated science blog" - NikkieTard

Watts is run by a washed up TV weather man who attempted and failed to show that U.S. station data was biased.

He humiliated himself and then went back on his own word that he would retract his own claim that the station data was biased ,should he prove it wasn't.

His Blog does is an anti-science blog. Not a science blog.

Your humiliation is in not knowing the difference.
full_disclosure
1.5 / 5 (25) Jul 30, 2013
"WattsUpWithThat.com is presently the top rated science blog" - NikkieTard

Watts is run by a washed up TV weather man who attempted and failed to show that U.S. station data was biased.

He humiliated himself and then went back on his own word that he would retract his own claim that the station data was biased ,should he prove it wasn't.

His Blog does is an anti-science blog. Not a science blog.

Your humiliation is in not knowing the difference.


Idiot

VendicarE
4 / 5 (13) Jul 30, 2013
GeoksTard believes that reality is a vicious attack on his ideology.

I agree with him.

Neinsense99
2.7 / 5 (21) Jul 30, 2013
VendicarE(Decarian,A,B,C,D,E...Zz) and his sockpuppets are the most abusive commenters I have encountered in 10 years of following political and scientific blogs. Nearly every comment he makes here (and he is one of the most prolific) on any post remotely, tangentially related to politics, religion, climate, economics and more, is filled with ad homs of the vilest nature.

I read every thread here on any post with a significant number of comments, for the last 5 years or so. There is only one anti-AGW commenter who regularly uses ad homs, and this is after taking Vendicar's vicious comments for months. (I report him as well.) All the others are reasonably civil.


Have you consulted a doctor about your selective vision?

Quite right. The deniers are the ones who allege perfidious fraud and make absurd, hyperbolic comments about war crimes.
VendicarE
3.6 / 5 (12) Jul 30, 2013
"Idiot" - FullDiaper.

Anthony Watts began his broadcast meteorology career in 1978 as an on-air meteorologist for WLFI-TV in Lafayette, Indiana and then joined KHSL-TV, a CBS affiliate based in Chico, California in 1987.[5][13] He stopped using his first name "Willard" to avoid confusion with NBC's The Today Show weatherman Willard Scott.[5] Watts temporarily resigned from KHSL in 2001 but was able to negotiate more personal time to use for his private business, ITWorks.[14] In 2002 he left KHSL to devote his full-time to ITWorks.[15] He returned to KHSL part-time in 2004.[16] Watts has been the chief meteorologist for KPAY-AM, a Fox News affiliate based in Chico, California since 2002.[10][17][18] In 2002, Watts won a Chico News & Review "Readers' Best Of" award for "Best Local Personality".[19]

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Neinsense99
2.7 / 5 (21) Jul 30, 2013
"WattsUpWithThat.com is presently the top rated science blog" - NikkieTard

Watts is run by a washed up TV weather man who attempted and failed to show that U.S. station data was biased.

He humiliated himself and then went back on his own word that he would retract his own claim that the station data was biased ,should he prove it wasn't.

His Blog does is an anti-science blog. Not a science blog.

Your humiliation is in not knowing the difference.


Idiot


The target of your comment is ambiguous in this context.
VendicarE
3.6 / 5 (14) Jul 30, 2013
Re Berkeley Earth - Watts had stated, "I'm prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong."

But Berkeley Earth found contrary to Watt's earlier assertions...

"Watts showed that some of the stations had poor quality. We studied that in great detail. Fortunately, we discovered that station quality does not affect the results. Even poor stations reflect temperature changes accurately." - Berkeley Earth

Watts then responded... "the study is of no value", "much of the BEST data should be thrown out,",

VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (13) Jul 30, 2013
When push comes to shove, Conservatives are the enemies of freedom. In this case, freedom of speech.

"VendicarE(Decarian,A,B,C,D,E...Zz) and his sockpuppets are the most abusive commenters I have encountered in 10 years of following political and scientific blogs." - GeoksTard
VendicarE
3.4 / 5 (13) Jul 30, 2013
"Here is Greenpeace trying to to turn school kids into the Unabomber:" - NikkieTard

I don't see any Unibomber training in that video. Just a boy telling the truth about how his future is being sold down the river by Mentally Diseased, Denialst retards like yourself.

You should fear him NikkieTard. He has your number, and seems correctly motivated to start hanging Republicans for the crime of treason against man and nature.

I will assist him.

VendicarE
3.3 / 5 (12) Jul 30, 2013
"These NASA rogues who claim to be a part of Columbia University are trashing the proud scientific reputation of my neighborhood alma mater and threatening to kill my super smart friends either by Earth First eco-terrorist attacks or public hangings." - NikkieTard

Wanton traitors like NikkieTard should fear hanging as it is a deterrent to their continued criminality.

This is serious business, and I am quite serious about the coming summary convictions and public executions.

Quite soon now.
Neinsense99
2.4 / 5 (20) Jul 30, 2013
"These NASA rogues who claim to be a part of Columbia University are trashing the proud scientific reputation of my neighborhood alma mater and threatening to kill my super smart friends either by Earth First eco-terrorist attacks or public hangings." - NikkieTard

Wanton traitors like NikkieTard should fear hanging as it is a deterrent to their continued criminality.

This is serious business, and I am quite serious about the coming summary convictions and public executions.

Quite soon now.

While I agree with you in general, it seems that, in dictatorial situations, public execution has sometimes been a pathetic substitute for pubic execution.
full_disclosure
1.3 / 5 (17) Jul 31, 2013
"These NASA rogues who claim to be a part of Columbia University are trashing the proud scientific reputation of my neighborhood alma mater and threatening to kill my super smart friends either by Earth First eco-terrorist attacks or public hangings." - NikkieTard

Wanton traitors like NikkieTard should fear hanging as it is a deterrent to their continued criminality.

This is serious business, and I am quite serious about the coming summary convictions and public executions.

Quite soon now.


Idiot
full_disclosure
1 / 5 (16) Jul 31, 2013
"Here is Greenpeace trying to to turn school kids into the Unabomber:" - NikkieTard

I don't see any Unibomber training in that video. Just a boy telling the truth about how his future is being sold down the river by Mentally Diseased, Denialst retards like yourself.

You should fear him NikkieTard. He has your number, and seems correctly motivated to start hanging Republicans for the crime of treason against man and nature.

I will assist him.



Idiot....what's your address?