Claims of 'post-racial' society and other denials of racism may reflect ignorance of history

Jan 15, 2013

New research suggests that commonly observed differences in how groups perceive racism may be explained by ignorance about—and even denial of—the extent of racism over the course of history.

The research, conducted by psychological scientists at the University of Kansas and Texas A&M University, indicates that African Americans had more accurate knowledge of historically documented racism compared to European Americans. This difference in historical knowledge partially accounted for group differences in perceptions of racism, both at a systemic and an incident-specific level.

"Survey research consistently documents that, relative to White Americans, people from historically oppressed racial and ethnic tend to report less satisfaction with race relations, see social inequality as a greater problem, and see more racism in incidents, such as legislation targeting undocumented immigrants and 'stand your ground' laws," say the researchers.

The authors note that these perceptions of racism are often treated as exaggerated or delusional. But theory and research from cultural psychology suggest that differences in how people perceive racism may arise because individuals from minority groups are actually attuned to knowledge that individuals from the majority group lack. Individuals from the majority group may deny racism in the context of current events because they are ignorant about documented racism from the past.

To assess whether individuals from minority groups might be more attuned to the reality of racism, the researchers adopted methods from work in signal detection theory. Their research is reported in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.

College students—199 European American students and 74 African American students—completed a "Black history" test in which they had to judge whether statements about past incidences of racism were true or false. Some statements discussed well-documented incidents that experts agree are true, representing the factual signal. Other statements concerned incidents that were plausible but fabricated, representing the fictional noise.

The students also completed measures that assessed their self-esteem in relation to their and their perceptions of both systemic racism and isolated incidents of racism.

As the researchers predicted, historical knowledge was a positive predictor of racism perception for both African Americans and European Americans.

However, as a group, African Americans were more accurate in identifying historically true events. Compared to European American participants, they identified more factual, but not false, events as true. Further analyses indicate that greater knowledge of historically documented racism may help to explain, at least in part, the observed relationship between race and perceptions of racism.

The findings also suggest how social identity may influence perception of racism. African Americans who reported greater relevance of racial identity perceived more racism, while European Americans who reported greater relevance of racial identity perceived less racism. These associations were stronger for perceptions of systemic racism than for perceptions of racism in isolated incidents.

Together, these findings are consistent with the hypothesis that perceptions of racism are influenced by the relevance of one's racial identity. Individuals in the majority group may be less likely to perceive systemic because it presents a greater challenge to a mainstream worldview.

Ultimately, this research underscores the importance of historical knowledge—and activities, like Black History Month, that highlight marginalized forms of historical knowledge—for understanding current events.

"Although popular and scientific understandings tend to portray ignorance as a lack of knowledge, this work emphasizes that ignorance itself is a form of knowledge that makes it possible to ignore or remain unaware of things that might otherwise be obvious," say the researchers.

The researchers note that their findings are echoed in the lyrics to a song from the late Bob Marley: "If you know your history/then you will know where you're comin' from/and you wouldn't have to ask me/who the heck do I think I am."

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flashgordon
2.5 / 5 (13) Jan 15, 2013
rascims . . . the new religion.
be4r
2 / 5 (4) Jan 15, 2013
tl;dr - white people.
flashgordon
2.8 / 5 (13) Jan 15, 2013
You never hear about how the Africans hundreds of years ago sold out their own kind to ship off to american slavery.

In fact, it's never pointed out that pre-industrial era, slavery was like gold and oil is today; a necessary evil. Someone has to take out the trash for others to do the science. People today don't understand that nation-states thousands of years ago went to war not for or at least not just for gold or hate, they went for slaves. Whomever conquered whom, got the lute . . . and the slaves to build their temples and toil the soil. Slavery was a consequence of agriculturalism just like irrigation, pest control, and fertilization of the land. It should be noted that industrialism is just mechanised agriculturalism; it reduces the role and affects of slavery, but does not completelly eliminate it. Blacks and Whites trying to get on the side of rascims so they don't have to take the black attacks about rascims, don't understand this. Blacks of course will never admit . .
flashgordon
2.6 / 5 (12) Jan 15, 2013
. . . admit that in africa when Blacks were being shipped to the americas for the slavery trade that they were sold out by their own kind.

Racsims is more than just whites against blacks; as indicted above, for centuries and thousands of years before the ship trading of Africans to america, Blacks in africa were rascist against each other. Likewise, in Europe, whites were rascists against whites. In the orient, orientals were rascists against each other. There's the whole aryan race thing of the nazies; it goes straght to the bible that mentions the aryans.

I'm really tired of the whole rascim thing just like I'm tired of the whole religion thing; but, then again, rascims is just the modern day religion. It's the latest gossip to make life exciting. I don't remember much rascims when I grew up; then again, maybe I wasn't paying attention; but, it seems weird that a whole generation after good old president Johnson freed the slaves in america, the whole rascim thing intensified.
flashgordon
2.2 / 5 (10) Jan 15, 2013
Seems to me that Black american can't even define rascism; rascism is just whatever they need it to be at any one time; ever heard of pulling their 'race card.' Their get out of jail card. I didn't make this up!

I unfortunately have not been thinking much about rascism lately; so, I'm not fresh on my observations. But, I recall that something to the affect of rascism and intellectualism - or that of those who are affraid of intellectuals. For a less rascism against intellectuals becaue I can't remember, theirs people who are rascist against runners because they ware shorts and show their legs.
flashgordon
1.8 / 5 (10) Jan 15, 2013
I guess I could say that people are into this rascism thing because they are not real intellectuals; they don't have real thoughts about some scientific issue(whether archaeology, mathematics, physics, biology, astronomy; something science), so to get excitment in their lives, rascism is the big hot thing to discuss; they go around like dogs sniffer and barking at people becuase they are not wearing the right colors or do not have a "I love blacks" sign on their shirt; or, if they do not listen to rap, their rascist. It's the same thing I've seen in my mother who went from soap operas to full 24 hour a day american politics shows; because she saw me seeing that all she does is lay around the house watching soap operas, she switched to politics news channels to make her seem more substantial. Religion does the same thing; to make their religion more substantial in the past, they drew up their god with astrotheology; in the Pauline epistles of Titus, they mention a story about cretan,
flashgordon
1.9 / 5 (9) Jan 15, 2013
. . . cretan the liar; and the 'more' genuince pauline epistles mentions Plato Republic dialog characters(I'd have to look it up) to make themselves sound more intellectual.
flashgordon
1.4 / 5 (9) Jan 15, 2013
Some of my connection between the whole rascism issue and intellectualism I just recalled might have to do wit idealisation; it's starting to come back to me; and I think I recall noting that blacks american hate science and how ironic that they embrace messianic religion and go to church for hell fire sermons instead.

edit - the connection between rascism and idealisation is that rascism is a wrong idealisation; it's an over/under generalisation. What's remarkable to my mind is that Blacks don't embrace mathematics and intellectualism; but, religion.
antialias_physorg
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 16, 2013
You never hear about how the Africans hundreds of years ago sold out their own kind to ship off to american slavery.

You do in Africa. That is still a part of the tensions between groups of people there.

However it's pretty safe to say that none of the black slave traders in Africa went to the US during that time. So there's no cop-out to say: "but some of the african americans in the US were slave traders"

Someone has to take out the trash for others to do the science

There's plenty of white trash (to do the work or take out...take your pick)

I'm really tired of the whole rascim thing just like I'm tired of the whole religion thing

Ignoring it won't make it go away.

theirs people who are rascist against runners

Race-ism is not the same as racism.

I guess I could say that people are into this rascism thing because they are not real intellectuals

Some of the founding fathers were intellectuals. But racists to a man.
Noumenon
3.1 / 5 (27) Jan 16, 2013
Very good posts flashgordon. You're exactly correct.

Yes, slavery was an abomination, but it was not racism per say. It was a matter of a more civilized society of humans coming across a less civilized society humans, and justifying taking advantage of them, by bringjng them into a 'better' culture. They were treated as 'less human' because that was a natural reaction given their observed state. Slavery existed for thousands of years in other cultures, particularly in the muslim world. Not because of their race, but because of their state.

Racism is nazism,.... 'white supremacy', the 'new black panthers', the KKK, etc.

What is NOT racism, are NATURAL REACTIONS to behavior and states of an identifiable group.

History is replete with examples of one race dominating another, far far worse than slavery,, but you usually only hear of the black mans 'plight' constantly in the west. The racism charge in modern times in the west, for the most part is political fraud by the left
Noumenon
2.8 / 5 (26) Jan 16, 2013
By such fraudulent definitions of 'racism', white liberals would be the biggest racists of all,... as given their supported policies they presume an intrinsic inferiority amongst blacks and an intrinsic racial bias amongst whites from the start.

Slavery should not be regarded as any worse than subjecting miniroties to government dependence through use of the propaganda of perpetual victimhood, the welfare state, and blaming negative social statistics of the black community on an intrinsic racist society.

The high disproportionate rate of black imprisonment is actually blamed on an "intrinsic racist justice system" by black leaders and liberals, as a way to excuse and ignore problems in that community. Same occurs with some standardized testing,... the negative results are somehow the cause of a "racially bias test".

The far left continue to perpetuate the fraud of the use of "racism" to make white society perpetually think they are racist for simpy existing as they are.
Noumenon
2.8 / 5 (26) Jan 16, 2013
However it's pretty safe to say that none of the black slave traders in Africa went to the US during that time. So there's no cop-out to say: "but some of the african americans in the US were slave traders"


Why do liberals think historical facts are a 'cop out', when made by those who had nothing to do with slavery. It shows that it wasn't about a specifically (racist) assult upon blacks, ...it was about a differenece in civilized sophistication, a non-racists fact,... and HUMANS taking advantage of other humans.

History is full of these type of events. Other peoples have suffered far worse, but they don't constantly wish to remind everyone that their ancestors were evil racists and that they are victims, over and over without end. The above "study" is obviously propaganda denying a lack of actual racism.
antialias_physorg
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 16, 2013
History is full of these type of events.

so? That doesn't make them right - in any historical period.
I do think that your appeal to a 'natural reaction' is a cop out.

Empathy is older than slavery. People knew they were doing wrong from the first time in history when they took slaves - be it of the same or a different skin color.
Noumenon
2.8 / 5 (26) Jan 16, 2013
History is full of these type of events.

so? That doesn't make them right - in any historical period.
I do think that your appeal to a 'natural reaction' is a cop out.

Empathy is older than slavery. People knew they were doing wrong from the first time in history when they took slaves - be it of the same or a different skin color.


Where did I say that that fact makes it right? In fact I clearly stated it was an abomination.

The salient point is that it is wrong to perpetually claim victimhood and perpetually charge and invent racism even for basic and natural reactions to observed facts. That is not racist.
FrankHerbert
1.9 / 5 (18) Jan 16, 2013
LMAO, flashgordon sure felt the need to spend hours defending racism. That is in no way racist.

Noumenon,
The far left continue to perpetuate the fraud of the use of "racism" to make white society perpetually think they are racist for simpy existing as they are.
So it's racist to point out you are racist because you are racist? I don't think you read your posts before you submit them.

By such fraudulent definitions of 'racism', white liberals would be the biggest racists of all,... as given their supported policies they presume an intrinsic inferiority amongst blacks and an intrinsic racial bias amongst whites from the start.
No liberal has ever said this. This is merely a talking point among morally bankrupt conservatives because it allows them to project their on beliefs on to the behavior of those they otherize.
Jeweller
5 / 5 (6) Jan 16, 2013
From Brian Francis Pretorius,
Cape Town, South Africa.
I think that Mr antialias' sentiments are correct.
We need to be more understanding and empathetic towards people who experience discrimination.
FrankHerbert
1.9 / 5 (18) Jan 16, 2013
The salient point is that it is wrong to perpetually claim victimhood and perpetually charge and invent racism even for basic and natural reactions to observed facts. That is not racist.


basic and natural reactions to observed facts.
You are such a coward.

You know it's pretty simple. If being called a racist offends you so much, don't be a racist. Stop trying to redefine it as the opposite of what it actually is.
Noumenon
2.9 / 5 (25) Jan 16, 2013
The far left continue to perpetuate the fraud of the use of "racism" to make white society perpetually think they are racist for simpy existing as they are.
So it's racist to point out you are racist because you are racist? I don't think you read your posts before you submit them.


My original post made sense,.. your hack job reinterpretation is what didn't.

The salient point is that it is wrong to perpetually claim victimhood and perpetually charge and invent racism even for basic and natural reactions to observed facts. That is not racist.
You are such a coward.

Your eesponse doesn't make sense. How do you determine that? Calling me racist just proves my point, because you have zero bases in fact for that charge.
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (21) Jan 16, 2013
Like the title of the article says. You are ignorant of history. However you have a pretty good grasp of white supremacist propaganda.
FrankHerbert
2.2 / 5 (20) Jan 16, 2013
To elaborate you are a coward because you define racism in such a way that nothing you ever say can be racist, but anyone accusing you of racist behavior is by default a racist.
Noumenon
3 / 5 (26) Jan 16, 2013
To elaborate you are a coward because you define racism in such a way that nothing you ever say can be racist, but anyone accusing you of racist behavior is by default a racist.


No, you're way off. I gave a list above of examples of racism. To treat a particular race as if they're intrinsically inferior, is racism. Conservatives reject the liberal notion that the bar needs to be lowered for them, while the left advocates special treatment if you're a minority. Why does the liberal media ignore the fact that more young black males were shot in Chicago last year than in Afghanistan? Why does it take the mass shooting in Sandy Hook (?), when every weekend, some are killed in Chicago? The left treat it as an expected behavior and are not outraged over it. That is racism.

To disgree with Obama is not racist. Because a disproportionate number of black are in prison is not indication of racism. Lowering the bar is racism, because it presumes inferiority. Liberals are racist in policy
FrankHerbert
2 / 5 (20) Jan 16, 2013
Those are all semantical flourishes deflecting the racist nature of your statements. You may not know you have racist tendencies. Most people don't. If you ask even KKK members, they have somehow rationalized their position as not racist.

You use the same instinctual arguments less self-conscious racists use. "Africans practiced slavery! There were worse things!" It's possible you may not be conscious but you still deserve to be called out on it.

You act like 400 years of systematic, institutionalized racism should have no effect on these people only a couple generations out. Many of the people who fought in the civil rights movement are still alive.

For every valid statement you might make, you make another three that range anywhere from highly insensitive to borderline segregationist.
Noumenon
3 / 5 (24) Jan 16, 2013
You may not even be conscious of it but you tend to obfuscate your necrophilistic tendicies by feigning reading comprehension issues.

For every valid statement I might make, you make up another three that I didn't make. By playing the race card, you're just making my point for me.

I recall over a year ago I PM'd you in response to like empty charges of racism,... ' every time you falsely accuse one of racism you dilute the significance and meaning of the term and disrespect those who actually suffered from historical racism'.

And again in this context my comments are meant to address the poltical abuse of that charge and the difference between racism, and simply 'natural reaction'.
Estevan57
2.7 / 5 (37) Jan 16, 2013
Noum, what do you expect from Otto? He does the same to everybody. When caught being stupid or wrong, he changes YOUR answer.
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (25) Jan 16, 2013
You know Lincoln, the first Republican president, praised by Bill Clinton on the Golden Globes, tried to help former slaves return to Africa. The country is called Liberia.

Also, Christian activists in Great Britain eventually persuaded Parliament to end slavery, AND to end the slave trade by stopping slave ships with the British navy.
Christian groups in the USA, illegally aided slaves to escape into Canada.
Culture is much more significant than race. Obama was NOT raised in a former slave culture. People can escape their culture, Condoliza Rice did, Herman Cain did, and million of others have.
But the race business is still too lucrative for the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to give up.
Divide and conquer is the socialist way.
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (23) Jan 16, 2013
Racist policies such as Affirmative Action still haunt Clarence Thomas as he is perceived as being allowed to skate through at Yale.
I'm sure another reason the socialists hate Thomas is that he is married to a white woman.
As for the KKK, Senator Robert Byrd, DEMOCRAT, was a member.
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (18) Jan 16, 2013
The funny thing is Byrd remained a Democrat his entire career, yet his views changed. By his death he had the highest rating the NAACP gives out.

View that opposed to Strom Thurmond. He WAS a Democrat, switched to the Republican party after running as a segregationist, and remained a racist his entire life.

In case you don't get it, the racists left the Democratic party for the Republican party during the civil rights movement.
RitchieGuy01
1.6 / 5 (13) Jan 17, 2013
Noumenon. . . .don't mind FrankHerbert/Blotto. I don'y know if U remember, but when I first started commenting on physorg, FrankH attempted to label ME as a racist-bigot and even got howhot all huffed over what Frank said about me. . . .and I never even said anything racist or bigoted.
The truth is that Otto's sockpuppet FrankHerbert IS a supreme racist who pretends to be so tolerant of all races. . . .but he didn't have any problem saying "nigger" not once but twice in the one thread that I was in.

Do U remember that, Frank? That's when I mentioned that my dead wife had been half black and half white and I said that she was a mulatto. U made fun of that, remember that, Frank?
And now. . . .U are acting all holier than thou, U freaking hypocrite. I wish U werent Otto's sockpuppet. U racist scumbag.
RitchieGuy01
1.6 / 5 (14) Jan 17, 2013
FrankHerbert likes to play "Gotcha" even if Frank the sockpuppet has to make up a racist story so's he can get everyone to attack that person as a racist and bigot. He did it to me. . . .he does it to U. . . .and FrankHerbert the sockpuppet will look for someone else to slap that phony "racist" label on. That is FrankHerbert's way of having fun so's he can gloat over what he did to people.
FrankHerbert does that in physorg cuz he knows he can get away with it.
kochevnik
2.2 / 5 (13) Jan 17, 2013
America is a country BUILT and BASED on slavery. Only now the qualification for slave is moving from RACE to CLASS.
FrankHerbert
1.8 / 5 (15) Jan 17, 2013
So you admit to being pirouette. Lol, how's those semi-transparent martians?

What a tardo.
flashgordon
1 / 5 (8) Jan 17, 2013
It's a wonder antialias_physorg doesn't post a christian "dark ages" denial article; but, oh wait, he/she's probably a christian(notice, there's no articles proving Islam as the greatest religion on earth, but there sure is plenty of judeo-christian articles on physorg!)
RitchieGuy01
1 / 5 (12) Jan 17, 2013
I don't know about your semi-transparent martians. . . .but my ex g/f's sister had all those pics of Mars and she seemed to think that there's life there. I asked for copies and it sure does look like humanoids on that mountain. She used the name Pirouette until I took it over and then changed to my name now.
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 17, 2013
Another thing, Frank. . . .that camera on the MRO takes pictures of the sides of mountains. It works by the whole MRO maneuvering to whichever position is commanded so that the camera, even tho its in a fixed position, it gets turned when the MRO turns. Ethelred was wrong when he said that the cameras on the MRO can only take pics of the ground.
RitchieGuy01
1.8 / 5 (16) Jan 17, 2013
@kochevnik. . . .don't be an idiot all your life. The first African blacks that were brought to America was in 1619 and they weren't treated as slaves. . . .more like indentured servants just like a lot of Whites who had to pay for their passage by working for someone for a number of years. Those blacks were freed later on. It was only around 1690 that African blacks started to be bought and sold as slaves from the slave ships that stopped in the southern states. There was slavery going on in the North but not as much as the south because of the cotton gin was invented. . . .if I remember history correctly
antialias_physorg
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 17, 2013
he/she's probably a christian

No, I'm an atheist. I don't hold with fiction.

And I currently don't post in this thread because the crazies (like your good self) are out in force.
I dont hold with crazy, either.
flashgordon
1 / 5 (7) Jan 17, 2013
crazies are those who are over-generalised(both unconsciously and on purpose; on purpose is practicaly a definition of evil), or bad assumptions.

I didn't analyse you're first responce because as far as I was concerned, you just purposely ignored what I said(hence, your crazy). My answer to your first reply to my posting on this thread is to read it again. You have an apologetic mind; just the type of stuff that led to the dark ages.
flashgordon
1 / 5 (6) Jan 17, 2013
antialias_physorg, i recommend you watch Agora. It's about Hypatia. I actualy didn't like it just on scientific inaccuracy of what she did and did not do. But, i did like the human psychology of who turned against her for and in different ways. Some converted to christianity, others apologized for it; once again, you should watch it!
frajo
not rated yet Jan 18, 2013
There is a group of users, identifiable by their use of euphemisms like "natural reaction" for slavery, who exist in a state that is a relic of the past.
Given their observed state of distress it is a natural reaction to not pay them more than clinical attention.

And no, they won't ever understand the categorical imperative, the fundamental principle of the left.
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (19) Jan 18, 2013
America is a country BUILT and BASED on slavery. Only now the qualification for slave is moving from RACE to CLASS.

Do you know where the word slave originates? Slav.

"British investigators were questioning suspects Monday after police rescued 24 men that they said were kept as slaves - some for as long as 15 years." http://thecnnfree...ve-camp/
"Russian police acknowledge that human trafficking for sexual exploitation is a major problem, saying they do what they can to fight it by raiding brothels suspected of forced prostitution and arresting gang members who run them. But the problem, they say, lies elsewhere.

"First of all, we have virtually open borders, and badly controlled migration flows from nearby countries," said Alexander Krasnov of Russia's Interior Ministry Police.

"Secondly, we still don't have a basic law that defines victims' rights. "
CNN
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Jan 18, 2013
"For millions, Russia's new economic prosperity has been a blessing. But for those caught up in the sex trade, it's a curse.

Christine managed to escape after meeting a woman from a church who helped her. "I was crying all the time, telling her, 'I don't want this kind of job,' " she said."
http://www.cnn.co...llsearch
What? A church helps a Russian slave?
Govt is so much better than a church, right?
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Jan 18, 2013
America is a country BUILT and BASED on slavery. Only now the qualification for slave is moving from RACE to CLASS.

Europe, Asia and aboriginal America were build on slavery.
Greek slaves, Roman slaves ....
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.3 / 5 (15) Jan 18, 2013
Blacks were being shipped to the americas for the slavery trade that they were sold out by their own kind
Chiefs often sold their people as slaves. Cecil rhodes and king leopold bought them in droves during the african land grab. But consider too that life in africa was miserable with endemic tribal warfare, disease, and predation. How many young africans got on those ships willingly on the promise of food, shelter, and peace abroad? How many euros sold themselves into wage slavery abroad for the same reasons?

There is an evolutionary basis for racism beyond tribalism. Groups which inhabit new environments spend considerable time through many generations adapting to new climate and food. This represents 'effort'.

Adapted peoples would have much to lose genetically from comingling with unadapted interlopers while, converselly, interlopers would have much to gain for their offspring.

Of course this doesnt apply today. But it does explain the mechanism as a natural one.
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (17) Jan 18, 2013
"You don't know their names because the real racism that exists in the media is this: A young black male's life is not worth reporting when it is taken by another black male."
http://www.breitb...lack-Men
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (16) Jan 18, 2013
Hello pussytard
I don't know about your semi-transparent martians. . . .but my ex g/f's sister had all those pics of Mars and she seemed to think that there's life there. I asked for copies and it sure does look like humanoids on that mountain. She used the name Pirouette until I took it over and then changed to my name now.
Lie upon lie upon lie. The person(s) posting under the continuing suckpuppet menagerie pirouette/ritchieboy/russkiye/pussytard/obamasucks/estevan etc etc have both denied and confirmed these things. Why do you think people arent smart enough to see through this nonsense?

How do you think you will earn any respect here in this community with this behavior? People are offended by the lazy ignorance you post. When they take the time to show you how inane your ideas are, you respond not with gratitude and apologies but with foul insults, more inanities, and floods of shit.

You have no respect for the community nor for science in general.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (16) Jan 18, 2013
There is a group of users, identifiable by their use of euphemisms like "natural reaction" for slavery, who exist in a state that is a relic of the past.
Humans are born with many traits which, while they are completely natural, are nevertheless thoroughly incompatible with modern society. OF COURSE it is important to resist and denounce them. But this does not help us to understand them, and it is only through this understanding that we can hope to expunge them for good.

Tribalism and reproductive competition produce all sorts of asocial, but natural, behaviors. Civilization can be considered as a Process of mitigating these behaviors; a Process of Domestication.

Dogs do not have to know why it is bad to pee on the carpet. But we are NOT dogs and we want to know the why behind the things we do.

You should resist your potty training every once in awhile frajo. I guarantee that it would be an enlightening experience.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2013
Do you know where the word slave originates? Slav.
Its also the origin of the word slob. So what? Tribes have been denigrating each other forever. We fought the huns in the great war yes?

The next tribe is always a little less human than yours is. This is why dustin hoffmans tribe in little big man called themselves the 'human beings'.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2013
Conscript labor has always been a convenient way of establishing colonies, and of quiescing newly conquered lands. It is also Useful in reducing the the propensity of our species to diverge.

Upwards of 90% of the inhabitants of rome were at times slave. They ran businesses and held public office. And they could earn their freedom.

Leaders realized that there could never be peace in the Empire unless the people could be recombined, amalgamated, homogenized. And so they are continuously intermixed by whatever Means possible. Rome was a prime Example. So is the US. This is called 'applied demographics' or, if you prefer, 'social engineering'.

One effective Way is by creating strife and misery in target populations such as germany during the 30 years war, the irish potato famine, or the mexican revolution, and then providing attractive but hard-to-get-to sanctuaries which only the most resourceful and ambitious can reach.

Africans had to be carted here en masse as part of this Process.
kochevnik
2 / 5 (12) Jan 18, 2013
America is a country BUILT and BASED on slavery. Only now the qualification for slave is moving from RACE to CLASS.

Europe, Asia and aboriginal America were build on slavery.
Greek slaves, Roman slaves ....
Christianity changed the face of slavery forever by creating the philosophy that once a slave- always a slave- that the bond was to God and that such a debt was inheritable to every generation hereafter.

USA capitalized on this xtian institution to found the country through feral capitalism and genocide. Now the utter disregard for life the USA has always exhibited abroad has become domestic policy, which is euphemistically described as a triple-dip recession. However recessions are temporary while this predatory class society is permanently institutionalized
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Jan 18, 2013
Christianity changed the face of slavery forever

It certainly did.
Evangelical Christians in England persuaded Parliament to end the salve trade AND slavery in the British Empire, AND they committed the Royal Navy to blockades and boarding ships at sea to stop the trade.
Christians in the USA led the abolitionist movement to end slavery and illegally aided escaped slaves.
And churches, presumably Christian, are helping slaves in Russia today escape their captivity.
EverythingsJustATheory
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 18, 2013
In 2011, in New York City, 685,724 people were stopped, 84 percent of whom were Black and Latino residents — although they comprise only about 23 percent and 29 percent of New York City's total population respectively.

But Racism is over!!!
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (19) Jan 18, 2013
In 2011, in New York City, 685,724 people were stopped, 84 percent of whom were Black and Latino residents — although they comprise only about 23 percent and 29 percent of New York City's total population respectively.

But Racism is over!!!

And NYC is very 'liberal'.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (16) Jan 18, 2013
Evangelical Christians in England persuaded Parliament to end the salve trade AND slavery in the British Empire, AND they committed the Royal Navy to blockades and boarding ships at sea to stop the trade.
But as you know this was at the SAME TIME as rhodes and leopold were buying slave labor in africa.

Ending slavery was the result of secular morality. Xians and the other religions had condoned and encouraged slavery for millenia. Even your jesus acknowledged it and did not condemn it.
http://www.bbc.co...01.shtml
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (15) Jan 18, 2013
"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts" - Jefferson Davis, President, Confederate States of America
EverythingsJustATheory
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 18, 2013
Racist policies such as Affirmative Action still haunt Clarence Thomas as he is perceived as being allowed to skate through at Yale.


I don't think it has so much to do with affirmative action but his performance once in the position. His opinions are almost exclusively inadequate (very short) and poorly composed.

He just broke a seven year silence in oral arguments recently. Seven years without questioning anything! He claims the reason is that he doesn't like oral arguments. I agree with this, he doesn't like to openly portray how stupid he really is.

http://usnews.nbc...nts?lite
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (19) Jan 18, 2013
Racist policies such as Affirmative Action still haunt Clarence Thomas as he is perceived as being allowed to skate through at Yale.


I don't think it has so much to do with affirmative action but his performance once in the position. His opinions are almost exclusively inadequate (very short) and poorly composed.

He just broke a seven year silence in oral arguments recently. Seven years without questioning anything! He claims the reason is that he doesn't like oral arguments. I agree with this, he doesn't like to openly portray how stupid he really is.

http://usnews.nbc...nts?lite

How racist! His written opinions are available for review.
FrankHerbert
1.9 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2013
antialias_physorg, i recommend you watch Agora. It's about Hypatia. I actualy didn't like it just on scientific inaccuracy of what she did and did not do. But, i did like the human psychology of who turned against her for and in different ways. Some converted to christianity, others apologized for it; once again, you should watch it!


Flashgordon, seriously? I'm guessing you don't realize Hypatia died as a martyr of knowledge at the hands of frightened, ignorant christians. They skinned her alive with seashells, then proceeded to burn down the world's greatest library, dealing an incalculable blow to human knowledge.

That's almost a ryggesogn2-level-example that proves the opposite of what you're trying to prove.
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2013
Evangelical Christians in England persuaded Parliament to end the salve trade AND slavery in the British Empire, AND they committed the Royal Navy to blockades and boarding ships at sea to stop the trade.


And the arguments in the US for perpetuating slavery were largely biblical.

Maybe you should head back to Airstrip One. You do remember we've always been at war with Eastasia, right?
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Jan 18, 2013
And the arguments in the US for perpetuating slavery were largely biblical

And opposition to slavery in the USA was by Christians.
ryggesogn2
2.7 / 5 (19) Jan 18, 2013
And the arguments in the US for perpetuating slavery were largely biblical

The support for slavery in the USA was political. It was a COMPROMISE, which the 'progressives' keep demanding of the anti-socialists.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (15) Jan 18, 2013
And the arguments in the US for perpetuating slavery were largely biblical

The support for slavery in the USA was political. It was a COMPROMISE, which the 'progressives' keep demanding of the anti-socialists.
"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts" - Jefferson Davis, President, Confederate States of America

-You mean political as in 'In god we trust'? Jeff seems to think it was more than political.
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2013
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2013
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2013
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2013
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
ryggesogn2
2.8 / 5 (18) Jan 18, 2013
Why do the 'progressives' want to enslave men?
Martin Luther, Locke and many others, after seriously studying the Bible, came to the conclusion that all humans have an inherent, unalienable right to life and liberty.
But the 'progressives' seem to have a serious problem with this concept that every individual has rights that are NOT granted by other men (the state).
'Progressives' assert, as a collective, THEY get to decide for other humans what their rights are to be. Sounds like 'progressives' are the slave masters and relish the power.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2013
'Progressives' assert, as a collective, THEY get to decide for other humans what their rights are to be. Sounds like 'progressives' are the slave masters and relish the power.
In societies filled to xapacity and beyond, the strong will always tend to take from the weak unless they are prevented from doing so. This is called 'property rights'.

Do you see the enforcement of property rights an infringement of your personal freedom ryggy?
ryggesogn2
2.9 / 5 (19) Jan 18, 2013
"Ray Nagin, former New Orleans mayor, charged with taking bribes while in office"

http://www.nola.c...rt_river

Must be racism.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (16) Jan 18, 2013
Martin Luther, Locke and many others, after seriously studying the Bible, came to the conclusion that all humans have an inherent, unalienable right to life and liberty.
-Except for slaves, midianites, christ-killers, and blasphemers eh? And after studying the same book, people like Jefferson and Paine concluded it was full of crap. Dangerous crap. Go figure.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2013
Martin Luther ryggy? Really, are you baiting me or something?

"Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

"...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!"

-Sure you are. As you know Luther found this sentiment in John and elsewhere. Jesus described them as vipers.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2013
More Luther:

"He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today."

-Something for everyone in that book of yours, including first-class racists like Luther.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2013
Now as for Locke he was apparently ok with Jews, but drew the line at Catholics and atheists:

"Locke argued that atheists should not be tolerated because 'Promises, covenants, and oaths, which are the bonds of human society, can have no hold upon an atheist'. The Roman Catholic Church can not be tolerated either, according to Locke, because 'all those who enter into it do thereby ipso facto deliver themselves up to the protection and service of another prince'. If this Church were tolerated, a magistrate would have to abide by the settling of a 'foreign jurisdiction' in his own country and see its followers 'listed, as it were, for soldiers against his own Government'."

-So in conclusion your ass-ertions are spurious. Did you make them up?
FrankHerbert
2.2 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2013
"Ray Nagin, former New Orleans mayor, charged with taking bribes while in office"

http://www.nola.c...rt_river

Must be racism.


Your post? Yeah it is racist.
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2013
"Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

"...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!"

-Sure you are. As you know Luther found this sentiment in John and elsewhere. Jesus described them as vipers.
Otto

But Otto dear. . . .that is a lot like what U say about the Jews. Remember how your always saying how the old testament is all a big lie. If its all a big lie then why do U keep quoting everything that's said in the bible? Self glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, defaming. . . .that all sounds like from YOUR mouth, Otto. Are U a hypocrite?
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2013
If its all a big lie then why do U keep quoting everything that's said in the bible?


How else are you supposed to show how incredibly stupid it is? Tard.
RitchieGuy01
1 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2013
"Ray Nagin, former New Orleans mayor, charged with taking bribes while in office"

http://www.nola.c...rt_river

Must be racism.


Your post? Yeah it is racist.
FrankHerbert

Frank. . . . .youre only Otto's racist sockpuppet so your opinions don't count. Get your ugly self out of my Otto, U demons have possessed Otto long enough.

Anyway, Ray Nagin was responsible for the deaths of a lot of black or white people in Noo Awlins when he didn't get those people on board them buses that were ready to get them out of the city.
Maybe he prefered to get them to ride fancy Greyhound buses or limousines instead of school buses. LOL

Negligent homicide is what it was. Nagin should be in jail.
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2013
The only racist and sockpuppet in this conversation is you. Also, we all know the "ex girlfriend's sister" that you attribute pirouette's incredibly retarded posting to doesn't exist.

You actually believe there are 100 foot tall centurions on Mars. You are de facto retarded. Also a bitchface crybaby.
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2013
What's even more hilarious is that you remember specific arguments made against your "ex girlfriend's sister".

Do you want to know what I remember of that conversation? The only thing?

You're a retard.
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2013
If its all a big lie then why do U keep quoting everything that's said in the bible?


How else are you supposed to show how incredibly stupid it is? Tard.
FrankHerbert

This from a retarded sockpuppet who is used by my boyfriend, TheGhostofOtto1923 to run interference (football term) for Otto's grand entrance later on. . . . .so that Otto can argue with his sockpuppet, and in reality is talking to himself.

When we were together, Otto would talk to himself and call himself Frank. That freaked me out at first, but the sex between us was soooo good.
FrankHerbert
1.9 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2013
No, I've never posted on phys.org before. Every post before this one was made by my cousin's brother's uncle's former roommate. I took over his account now, and every dumb thing I--- my cousin's brother's uncle's former roommate said can't be held against me.

This makes total sense and people will believe it. I'm also a latent homosexual/homophobe and retarded.
RitchieGuy01
1 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2013
The only racist and sockpuppet in this conversation is you. Also, we all know the "ex girlfriend's sister" that you attribute pirouette's incredibly retarded posting to doesn't exist.

You actually believe there are 100 foot tall centurions on Mars. You are de facto retarded. Also a bitchface crybaby.
FrankHerbert

So goes FrankH as it (the sockpuppet) spits retarded nonsense. . .whatever comes to Otto's mind all because Otto is schizo and other mental illnesses. But I love Otto anyway.

Oh yes. . . .my ex g/f's famous sister. . . .yes, she exists and she's real, unlike the sockpuppet FrankHerbert who is only a figment of my Otto's imagination caused by his mental illness.
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2013
No, I've never posted on phys.org before. Every post before this one was made by my cousin's brother's uncle's former roommate. I took over his account now, and every dumb thing I--- my cousin's brother's uncle's former roommate said can't be held against me.

This makes total sense and people will believe it. I'm also a latent homosexual/homophobe and retarded.
FrankHerbert

No. . . .it was all my ex g/f's sister who had the Mars pictures with the humanoids in it. Nobody else.

Wellll. . . . .it's about time that U admitted that youre a latent homosexual/homophobe and youre retarded, Frank. Don't forget youre a racist too.
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2013
FrankHerbert is the reason why my Otto talks to himself in the mirror and calls his mirror image, Frank. It is Frank that's in the mirror, but its really Otto talking to himself.

All the time that Otto and I were together at the motel, I was afraid that he might try to kill me. . . .but he didn't and we had great sex together and we're both gay. FrankHerbert is jealous of me and Otto being together.
TheOtherGhost ofOtto
2.9 / 5 (25) Jan 19, 2013
Getting pretty nasty there, Otto.
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2013
You're only gay if you take it. By the way, what did you think of all that meat? Yum yum. Your son liked it too.

Is he going to grow up to be a retard/engineer/homo like his old man crazy Viet Nam vet? What was your motto? What happens in the jungle stays in the jungle? Sounds pretty damn gay to me.
FrankHerbutt

AHA. . . .another one of Otto's sockpuppets emerges.
My sons are black. . . .so that makes U a racist, Frank
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2013
You're only gay if you take it. By the way, what did you think of all that meat? Yum yum. Your son liked it too.

Is he going to grow up to be a retard/engineer/homo like his old man crazy Viet Nam vet? What was your motto? What happens in the jungle stays in the jungle? Sounds pretty damn gay to me.
FrankHerbutt/FrankHerbert

I'm no engineer. . . .where do U get engineer from? Not from ME. Is that a train engineer? Do U drive that train, Frank? High on cocaine, Frank? Better watch your speed, Frank
RitchieGay01
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2013
Yeah you are right. . . .my kid's are super gay. The one said he wanted to drive train, but I had to break it to him that our family has super tiny dongs and even the VC made fun of me over it. It's why I turned gay, but we don't talk about that because what happens in the jungle stays in the jungle.
Estevan57
2.5 / 5 (32) Jan 19, 2013
Ooo look! A shiny new sockpuppet. Say hi Otto!
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2013
I'm Frank's cousin's brother's uncle's roommate. Quit being such a faggot pirouette. Why don't you grow a man's dick and go fuck some retarded black kid's (your sons).

I heard they are weakass faggots they couldn't get anywhere without their dad's military welfare and affirmative action.
UncleMutt

There ain't no Pirouette here. She done been gone long time.

Looks like Otto's got even MORE sockpuppets comin outta da woodwork to settle ma hash. lol

Poor Otto's head must be spinning about now. . . .what wif all dese racist homophone crazy sockpuppets he gots
RitchieGuy01
1.4 / 5 (11) Jan 19, 2013
AHA. . .now Otto's got hisself another spook with a name almost like mine. RitchieGAY01? Cool
He be chuggin dem spooks outta his ass faster than my Mafia relatives can shoot a AK47
FrankHerbert
1.7 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2013
homophone
Lol, retard.
RitchieGuy01
1.4 / 5 (10) Jan 19, 2013
homophone
Lol, retard.
FrankHerbert

Yup. . . .that's the phone Otto calls me on. . . .his homophone. . . .FrankHerbert the retarded jealous sockpuppet
lol
RitchieGuy01
1.4 / 5 (11) Jan 19, 2013
Yeah you are right. . . .my kid's are super gay. The one said he wanted to drive train, but I had to break it to him that our family has super tiny dongs and even the VC made fun of me over it. It's why I turned gay, but we don't talk about that because what happens in the jungle stays in the jungle.
RitchieGay01

Otto's sockpuppet is gay too. . . .Dayum. . . .that makes ALL of dem sockpuppets dat Otto pulls outta his ass. . . .alla dem be gay.

Here a gay, dere a gay. . . .everywheres a gay gay.

I lubs me that gay Otto. . . .he be da mannnnn
RitchieGuy01
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2013
awwww. . . .FrankHerbert/FrankHerbutt/UncleMutt. . . .dey all be plum tuckered out and da BIG guy, Otto needs hisself a time to pee.
I be back later and chek on my Otto.

Dat Frank da sockpuppet. . . .he go and get hisself to make more reinf - reinf - reinforcements.
He be back later too and knock down ol' RitchieGUY so's he can make ol' Otto think he, Otto that is, be having fun with Mary Fingers, but it be Frank who be gettin down wit his Mary Fist.

hoo haaaa
RitchieGuy01
1 / 5 (10) Jan 20, 2013
I'm Frank's cousin's brother's uncle's roommate. Quit being such a faggot pirouette. Why don't you grow a man's dick and go fuck some retarded black kid's (your sons).

I heard they are weakass faggots they couldn't get anywhere without their dad's military welfare and affirmative action.
unclemeat aka TheGhostofOtto1923/FrankHerbert

Dayum. . . . . .dat TheGhostofOtto1923 boyfriend of mine pretending all da time in physorg dat he be da straight hetersexual man. But he really be gay like me cuz he turned me on after he sends me a PM and invites me to meet him. Then when we be together he invites me to stay at a motel with him in the same room. Well, I didn't know from nothin so I says yes. Then in the motel room, he be pulling down my underwear and puttin his mouth on U know what. Well, was I ever surprised. . . .but I let him do it, and then he wants me to poke his ass with my U know what. So I did. i got used to the awful smell after we wuz together a few weeks.
katesisco
1.4 / 5 (10) Jan 20, 2013
Well, taking a very broad view, it is seen that all societies utilize part of itself as a product for work, etc. The Minoans used the Phoenicians to do their war and slave capture. EO Wilson notes this type of war among ants. And today? Look at capitalism, and how is it different from the feudal society? There are local lords that own all the land and the produce from it, including the people.
Why does Japan have exclusive green parks and forests in spite of massive population? Because after unification the use of the green areas was forbidden to the people. These areas were preserved strictly because the elites desired it so.
Now, what happened after the native population of NA was disposessed? Huge amounts of $$ were made off of 'selling' the land. Many social studies were done and the result is that founding businesses usually always collapse at the 3 generation level. Why? Because it serves the interests of the elite. It puts 'real' estate back into circulation.
Egleton
1 / 5 (3) Jan 21, 2013
Humanity didn't drop slavery because it suddenly "Saw the Light". That is just self-aggrandizement.
We dropped slavery because we could. We began to use coal. The energy from coal is orders of magnitude superior to the puny 300 watts out-put of the human body. (Lance Armstrong excepted)
Unless we get Cold Fusion to replace coal, Slavery will come back.
ryggesogn2
3 / 5 (14) Jan 21, 2013
Humanity didn't drop slavery because it suddenly "Saw the Light".

Humanity has NOT dropped slavery.
Individual humans HAVE dropped slavery and sometimes those individuals can persuade their govts to make slavery against the law and the govts will actually make a serious attempt to enforce anti-slavery laws.
But why have those individuals opposed slavery?