Study: Portions of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet are warming twice as fast as previously thought

Jan 03, 2013
This is a graphic showing the relative warming near Byrd Station. Credit: Ohio State University

(Phys.org)—A new study funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF) finds that the western part of the massive West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) is experiencing nearly twice as much warming as previously thought.

The findings were published online this week in the journal Nature Geoscience. NSF manages the U.S. Antarctic Program (USAP) and coordinates all U.S. research and associated logistics on the southernmost continent and in the surrounding Southern Ocean.

The temperature record from Byrd Station, an unmanned scientific outpost in the center of the ice sheet, demonstrates a marked increase of 4.3 (2.4 degrees Celsius) in average annual temperature since 1958. That is three times faster than the average temperature rise around the globe.

This temperature increase is nearly double what previous research has suggested, and reveals—for the first time—warming trends during the summer months of the (December through February), said David Bromwich, professor of geography at Ohio State University and senior research scientist at the Byrd Polar Research Center.

"Our record suggests that continued summer warming in could upset the surface mass balance of the ice sheet, so that the region could make an even bigger contribution to than it already does," said Bromwich.

"Even without generating significant mass loss directly, surface melting on the WAIS could contribute to sea level indirectly, by weakening the West that restrain the region's natural ice flow into the ocean."

Andrew Monaghan, study co-author and scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), said that these findings place West Antarctica among the fastest-warming regions on Earth.

"We've already seen enhanced surface melting contribute to the breakup of the Antarctic's , where glaciers at the edge discharged massive sections of ice into the ocean that contributed to sea level rise," Monaghan said. "The stakes would be much higher if a similar event occurred to an ice shelf restraining one of the enormous WAIS glaciers."

Researchers consider the WAIS especially sensitive to climate change, explained Ohio State University doctoral student Julien Nicolas. Since the base of the rests below sea level, it is vulnerable to direct contact with warm ocean water. Its melting currently contributes 0.3 mm to sea level rise each year—second to Greenland, whose contribution to rise has been estimated as high as 0.7 mm per year.

Due to its location some 700 miles from the South Pole and near the center of the WAIS, Byrd Station is an important indicator of climate change throughout the region.

In the past, researchers haven't been able to make much use of the Byrd Station measurements, due to the fact that since the station was establishment in 1957, it hasn't always been occupied. So, its data were incomplete, to the point that nearly one third of the temperature observations were missing for the time period of the study. A year-round automated station was installed in 1980, but it has experienced frequent power outages, especially during the long polar night, when its solar panels can't recharge.

Bromwich and two of his graduate students, along with colleagues from the National Center for Atmospheric Research and the University of Wisconsin-Madison, corrected the past Byrd temperature measurements and used corrected data from a computer atmospheric model and a numerical analysis method to fill in the missing observations.

Aside from offering a more complete picture of warming in West Antarctica, the study suggests that if this warming trend continues, melting will become more extensive in the region in the future, Bromwich said.

While the researchers work to fully understand the cause of the summer warming at Byrd Station, the next step is clear, he added.

"West Antarctica is one of the most rapidly changing regions on Earth, but it is also one of the least known," he said. "Our study underscores the need for a reliable network of meteorological observations throughout West Antarctica, so that we can know what is happening—and why—with more certainty."

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tadchem
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 03, 2013
The graphic captioned "This is a graphic showing the relative warming near Byrd Station." holds an embedded legend identifying the color scales in terms of the "Temperature correlation with Byrd Station." The latter is not directly related to 'warming' per se, but rather to both warming and cooling. There is no data provided in the graphic related to warming.
The point of the graphic would appear to be that temperatures at Byrd Station are essentially uncorrelated to temperatures beyond the Transantarctic Mountains or the Ellsworth Mountains.
thermodynamics
4 / 5 (2) Jan 03, 2013
I noticed the same thing and I don't have access to the article. If someone has a copy of the article maybe they can help explain the issue of correlation. I am really not sure what correlation they are looking at and would like to know.
Caliban
3.4 / 5 (5) Jan 03, 2013
Look at the "Related Stories" listed on the right, and you will see that there was an article published here on 12/23.

It's unclear why anyone felt that the publication of this second article was necessary.

thermodynamics
5 / 5 (2) Jan 03, 2013
Caliban: Good catch. The earlier article does a much better job of explaining the graphic. I agree with you, there is no value added to this version.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 03, 2013
I saw that too...possibly it was felt that the article from the 23rd didn't have enough comments as it has a big zero.

In any case, I still feel that there is an active volcano or two under all that ice that is warming and melting the ice sheet. AGW is secondary in that regard.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Jan 03, 2013
**Correction** The zero doesn't seem to denote a lack of comments after all. Does anyone know what for the zero? Every time I have clicked on a thread with a zero...there were no comments.

djr
5 / 5 (7) Jan 03, 2013
obama: "In any case, I still feel that there is an active volcano or two under all that ice"

How do you come to this conclusion obama?
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Jan 03, 2013
I've read a few articles about the active volcanoes under the ice sheet...googled it. I am convinced that since they are active, that heat has to go somewhere...generally upwards, and the ice above the volcanoes would melt enough to cause slippage. Melted water does that.

Remember this? http://phys.org/n...ull.html
Methane gas from cattle, camels, us, volcanoes all contribute to global warming.
Lurker2358
3.2 / 5 (9) Jan 03, 2013
In any case, I still feel that there is an active volcano or two under all that ice that is warming and melting the ice sheet. AGW is secondary in that regard.


And then you calculated the specific heat capacity and heat of fusion for that much water and discovered no volcano could possibly be that powerful, since that's the heat equivalent of 60 Krakatoas per year every year.
VendicarD
3 / 5 (12) Jan 03, 2013
Sox blames lots of things on these invisible volcanoes, which he claims exist by the millions under the ocean.

But apparently 3 are capable of melting the entire Antarctic ice cap.

He is like Romney in his belief of invisible things. Invisible books, invisible glasses, invisible people.

It is like that when you are from the invisible planet of Conservadopia.
VendicarD
3 / 5 (12) Jan 03, 2013
He has ConservaTard faith that his invisible God put invisible volcanoes under the ice.

"How do you come to this conclusion obama?" - dir

And 3 million more under the ocean, according to his previous comments.
VendicarD
2.8 / 5 (9) Jan 03, 2013
It denots that there have been some particularly stupid comments to the article made by ConservaTards like yourself.

"Does anyone know what for the zero?" - Sox
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 03, 2013
I was wondering when you were planning to show up, VD :P
Actually, I read about the volcanoes under the Western Antarctic ice sheet from this:
www.sciencedaily....0720.htm

There are conflicting arguments about whether or not the ice could melt enough from the heat, but the volcanoes are there...and that is fact. And they are still active.

I don't know if there are millions, but clearly, VD doesn't believe that volcanoes exist and that they can impact the weather and sea level. tch tch
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (13) Jan 03, 2013
Ocean volcanoes are, after all you know, responsible for island building. Did you know that, VD? And did you know that an active volcano under a thick ice sheet can melt it somewhat...enough to have meltwater that enables the ice above it to s-l-i-d-e- into the sea?
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (11) Jan 03, 2013
OK...my plane is about to land...my girlfriend and I spent the holidays in Israel. We had a good time and now it's time to go home. BBL
Caliban
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 03, 2013
Ocean volcanoes are, after all you know, responsible for island building. Did you know that, VD? And did you know that an active volcano under a thick ice sheet can melt it somewhat...enough to have meltwater that enables the ice above it to s-l-i-d-e- into the sea?


The article says this single sub-icesheet volcano last erupted a couple thousand years ago.

And for all of the suppositions kicked about in the article, I see zero evidence claimed for ongoing melting of the icesheet underside, much less any claim of multiple active volcanoes.

In any case, you have failed to take into account the actual VASTNESS of the W.A.I.S., which would dwarf any volcanic activity less than of the supervolcanic class to merely a local phenomena.

You'll need to dig a lot deeper and find much more definite support if you hope to make your ice-sheet-meltin' volcanoes hypothesis stick.


Lex Talonis
1 / 5 (7) Jan 03, 2013
http://phys.org/n...ong.html

Why car sales are strong in the US (Update)
January 3, 2013 by Dee-Ann Durbin
It's not quite boom times for the U.S. auto industry. But it's getting there.

Stupid is as stupid does.
FrankHerbert
2 / 5 (20) Jan 03, 2013
and I spent the holidays in Israel.

Did you go to cast some lead boomerangs? LOL!

Dumbass!
djr
3.5 / 5 (6) Jan 03, 2013
Obama: "Actually, I read about the volcanoes under the Western Antarctic ice sheet from this:
www.sciencedaily....0720.htm"

Thank you for a direct response Obama - that was refreshing.

VendicarD
3 / 5 (10) Jan 04, 2013
Note the snow on the top of this active Volcano.

http://www.costar...x225.jpg

And this one...

http://www.travel.../6118742

and this one...

http://images2.fa...1280.jpg

And this one in Antarctica....

http://artsoneart...ano1.jpg

"I read about the volcanoes under the Western Antarctic ice sheet from this:" - Sox

The fact is, Volcano's don't emit globally or regionally significant quantities of heat.

Poor Sox. He is so spectacularly ignorant.
VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (13) Jan 04, 2013
The supporters of Israel and it's campaign of genocide against the Palestinian people, are the worst form of filth imaginable.

"OK...my plane is about to land...my girlfriend and I spent the holidays in Israel." - Sox

Sox has identified itself as that kind of filth.
mrtea
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 04, 2013
VendicarD - your comment is despicable. It's about time you were banned from this site altogether. As soon as you appear the thread descends to childish sniping and name-calling. How about you grow up?
NikFromNYC
1.7 / 5 (12) Jan 04, 2013
This study has been thoroughly debunked on both WattsUpWithThat.com and StevenGoddard.wordpress.com. It's amusing that this site passive-aggressively is engaged in the very act of burying the original post of the exact same story which was full of highly critical comments, now "mysteriously" counted as zero.
Lurker2358
2 / 5 (8) Jan 04, 2013
The supporters of Palestinian's and their campaign of suicide bombing genocide against the Jewish people, are the worst form of filth imaginable.


Fixed.
runrig
4.3 / 5 (6) Jan 04, 2013
This study has been thoroughly debunked on both WattsUpWithThat.com and StevenGoddard.wordpress.com. It's amusing that this site passive-aggressively is engaged in the very act of burying the original post of the exact same story which was full of highly critical comments, now "mysteriously" counted as zero.

I replied to your similar post when this article came to Physorg first time round....

In a similar vain, Mr Goddard does not "debunk this study". He goes off on one and says "Sea ice extent around Antarctica hit a record high this year, and has been above normal every day in 2012. Antarctica is not warming or melting, and only a spectacular lying scumbag would attempt to make the case that it was. The US press corpse is now worse than Soviet Pravda ever was......" whilst also showing some graph, referring I think, to temps at the "sopol".
May I just draw your attention to the fact that this article is referring to the WAIS and specifically Byrd station - very different
obama_socks
2 / 5 (12) Jan 04, 2013
http://www.scienc...0720.htm

"We believe this was the biggest eruption in Antarctica during the last 10,000 years. It blew a substantial hole in the ice sheet, and generated a plume of ash and gas that rose around 12 km into air."

"The discovery is another vital piece of evidence that will help determine the future of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and refine predictions of future sea-level rise." -from the article

Evidently, the volcano(es) that remain active under the Antarctic ice sheet are not at an explosive stage. That's not to say that they cannot achieve that stage in the future. Scientists are presently working to make that determination and are concerned that even a small volcanic explosion can melt enough ice, even if the entire ice sheet doesn't melt and slide into the sea.
Antarctica is a land mass under the ice sheet, so that the volcanoes on land are different from sea volcanoes.
(contd)
obama_socks
2 / 5 (12) Jan 04, 2013
(contd)
That means that magma that directly wells up to the top will melt the ice. As the lower level ice melts from heat, the water can enter any opening into a volcano, and drip or pour down into the magma, creating steam. The hot steam further melts the ice if the steam consistently rises.

Of course it is debatable whether or not the active volcano under the ice sheet will have any effect on the remainder of the ice sheet where there are no volcanoes. To settle that argument, scientists will keep watch on the entire ice sheet, not just at the Byrd station region.

"So, its data were incomplete, to the point that nearly one third of the temperature observations were missing for the time period of the study. A year-round automated station was installed in 1980, but it has experienced frequent power outages, especially during the long polar night, when its solar panels can't recharge." -from the Physorg article

There's not enough data from that time period as to temps.
VendicarD
2.7 / 5 (7) Jan 04, 2013
From Sox's own reference...

"However, it cannot explain the more widespread thinning of West Antarctic glaciers that together are contributing nearly 0.2mm per year to sea-level rise."

Sox continues his pattern of selectively quoting from sources only those statements that he can spin to mesh with his ideology.

I prefer honesty.
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (14) Jan 05, 2013
There is no spinning as it's right there in black and white. You can read each paragraph for yourself and determine the truth, if truth is what you're looking for. The active volcano is there and there may be others as yet not found in Antarctica.

"Heat from the volcano creates melt-water that lubricates the base of the ice sheet and increases the flow towards the sea. Pine Island Glacier on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is showing rapid change and BAS scientists are part of an international research effort to understand this change."

I find it reasonable to understand and accept that as the ice melts at the lowest levels of the ice sheet that is just above the active volcano, the meltwater from the ice flows out toward the sea. It also is reasonable to accept that the ice ABOVE the meltwater will sink down and replace the ice that has melted. And when THAT ice is also melted from the volcano's heat, the meltwater also flows to the sea.
(contd)
obama_socks
1.9 / 5 (14) Jan 05, 2013
(contd)
This has to be an ongoing process as long as the volcano remains active and heat rises from it and makes meltwater from the ice above it.
As the ice sheet lowers due to the heat below it, cracks and crevasses form that would indicate that the ice sheet is thinning. And as the ice sheet above the volcano thins, the lowering process also would affect the surrounding ice sheet that is farther away from the volcano, causing that also to crack, and perhaps slide into the area above the volcano due to the shifting of the ice sheet.

If you took a long block of 6 inch thick ice about 4 x 3 ft, set it on the ground and place a bunsen burner just below grade beneath one side of the block, you can observe how the ice melts on one side and the meltwater pours down and is replaced by the ice above. You will then have a thinning of the ice above the burner (active volcano simulation) as the ice at the top continues to move downwards to replace the ice that has become meltwater.
(contd)
baudrunner
3.3 / 5 (7) Jan 05, 2013
There are indirectly compounding effects of ice cap adaptation to climate change. That portion of the Antarctic ice cap is experiencing the slow breakup of large areas which will cause friction as massive regions are pushed against or pulled from other massive regions, thereby contributing to temperature rise.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Jan 05, 2013
contd)
These are natural processes at work and it's easy to simulate them in a lab.
In your haste to prove that global warming is all mankind's fault, you forget that Earth processes are dynamic and need to be researched thoroughly as possible causes of any warming. Scientists are doing that, as it is important to determine when and if the next volcano or a series of volcanoes will explode and possibly cause another ice age. If another ice age occurs, there will be even less sequestration of CO2 and methane as plants and trees die from the cold.

That's not to say that mankind should be any less concerned about avoiding the over production of pollutants and toxic and/or GHGes. We are all stewards of our home planet...and this idea should be taught to students, as well as adults who have no sense of responsibility for their actions. Neither should AGW be a reason for hobbling individual freedoms and outright ownership of properties by the governments, the U.N. or any despotic entities.
obama_socks
1.6 / 5 (13) Jan 05, 2013
There are indirectly compounding effects of ice cap adaptation to climate change. That portion of the Antarctic ice cap is experiencing the slow breakup of large areas which will cause friction as massive regions are pushed against or pulled from other massive regions, thereby contributing to temperature rise.
-baudrunner

You are correct insofar as "global" warming would effect a climate change EVERYWHERE on Earth. But at the Antarctic, the active volcano is the primary catalyst for the meltwater, slippage and flow, and the lowering (thinning) of the ice sheet in the location of the active volcano, and to a large extent, surrounding areas. It is a "domino effect" where one volcanic area is the cause, and the pulling, pushing and grinding effect is felt much further away as the ice sheet in those areas attempt to stabilize and cease movement.
Climate change as caused by AGW would only affect the top layer of the ice sheet IF the temp was mild and warm enough to cause melting,
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (12) Jan 05, 2013
It is imperative for scientists to determine the temps during the Antarctic Spring, Summer, and Fall at Byrd station and surrounding areas. Not just at the upper ice sheet level, but also the temps at the bottom layer of ice that lies just above the volcano to also measure meltwater amount and speed of flow, by drilling holes that will accommodate instruments to record the temps, etc. 24/7.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp
FrankHerbert
2.2 / 5 (20) Jan 05, 2013
How are they supposed to measure the temperature of something that doesn't exist, moron?
The Alchemist
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 06, 2013
I hate to take the 'tards side on anything, even though we're technically on the same side... but it looks like Antarctic volcanism is at best in equilibrium, at worst declining, so its effects should not be a significant contributor.
Interesting, I just wrote a satire whose strain was comparing the 5.1 million Palestinians murdered by the Jewish state, and Adolf's 6 million. Only .9 million more until God's eye for an eye rule comes into effect...
obama_socks
2 / 5 (12) Jan 06, 2013
How are they supposed to measure the temperature of something that doesn't exist, moron?
-FrankHerbert aka Theghostofotto1923

Hey moron, your imagination is working overtime again, you fat stinky tardboy. IF you are referring to the active volcano under the Antarctic ice sheet, where is your evidence that it doesn't exist?

Give us some details for your incorrect assertion so that we can check it out before you blow some more lies out of your ass. Where are the current links/articles?
Jeddy_Mctedder
1.9 / 5 (13) Jan 06, 2013
I a disavow all global warming types who want to monopolize the secular non-theist perspective. I am a secular non theist and avowedly against the propoganda delusion pushing central planning of any asort as a solution to so called exclusively man made...and supposedly man controllable.....formerly described global warming presently described climate change. It is beyond me that so called educated scientists cannot even admit that non prits funding their research also are advocating for taxation schemes, price fixing (carbon credits by its true name) and massive social control
Caliban
2.8 / 5 (9) Jan 06, 2013
I a disavow all global warming types who want to monopolize the secular non-theist perspective. I am a secular non theist and avowedly against the propoganda delusion pushing central planning of any asort as a solution to so called exclusively man made...and supposedly man controllable.....formerly described global warming presently described climate change. It is beyond me that so called educated scientists cannot even admit that non prits funding their research also are advocating for taxation schemes, price fixing (carbon credits by its true name) and massive social control


Put the bottle away, jed. Sleep it off, and when you are capable of expressing yourself coherently, maybe try again.

VendicarD
2.1 / 5 (8) Jan 06, 2013
Those who support evil are evol.

Israel is pure evil and hence it's supporters are evil.

"VendicarD - your comment is despicable." - MrTeaBagger

You are clearly very confused, or Evil yourself.

Caliban
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 06, 2013

Hey moron, your imagination is working overtime again, you fat stinky tardboy. IF you are referring to the active volcano under the Antarctic ice sheet, where is your evidence that it doesn't exist?

Give us some details for your incorrect assertion so that we can check it out before you blow some more lies out of your ass. Where are the current links/articles?


You haven't exactly provided citations enough for an open-and-shut case, yourself.

The one article you link was published several years ago, and only references a single volcanic eruption from 2KYA.
Yes they do say that it remains active --but that isn't the same as saying that it makes enough of a thermal contribution to cause melting of the ice sheet. That would depend entirely upon at what depth there is thermal/pressure circulation of magma. Past a certain depth there wouldn't be enough surface heat to cause it.

Absent physical proof, you are grasping at straws by making the claim that this is, in fact, occurring
VendicarD
2.6 / 5 (9) Jan 06, 2013
I disavow cloudy days and banana cream pie.

JeddiTard. - "I a disavow all global warming"

Attempting to disavow reality is certinly a sign of the ultimate form ultimate ignorance.

You should find yourself a universe to live in, in which you do not need to disavow reality, and move there.

VendicarD
2.8 / 5 (9) Jan 06, 2013
From Sox's own reference...

"However, it cannot explain the more widespread thinning of West Antarctic glaciers that together are contributing nearly 0.2mm per year to sea-level rise."

Sox continues his pattern of selectively quoting from sources only those statements that he can spin to mesh with his ideology.

I prefer honesty.
Lex Talonis
2 / 5 (8) Jan 07, 2013
Me Vs. Vendicar. Me supports Socks....

OK I have not really researched any of this, but the volcano's under the ice theory - MIGHT actually have some validity.

Consider the Yellow Stone National Park -

http://en.wikiped..._Caldera

http://edition.cn...dex.html

So rather than shit-can the guy, perhaps there may be something to what he is saying.

I mean there ARE giant fresh water lakes under the ice cap/s that are kept warm (relatively speaking) by the heat from the earth...

So much of this argument falls into the "all or nothing" category.

We have the Yellowstone Caldera, then we have had the super, super volcano flows that basically made the entire half of the USSR, back in the Plasticine Error....

The only difference is the heat output, to the heat input, determined more or less by the crust thickness.
VendicarD
2.5 / 5 (8) Jan 07, 2013
Of course there is a volcano under the ice.

That is not the point.

"OK I have not really researched any of this, but the volcano's under the ice theory - MIGHT actually have some validity." - Lex

The point is that it is irrelevant to the overall ice balance of the Antarctic. Active volcanoes produce such s trivial amount of heat that they can't even melt the snow that falls on their peaks.

http://blog.talus...x225.jpg

A good example...
ForFreeMinds
2.2 / 5 (10) Jan 07, 2013
From my perspective, this is just more environmental scare mongering to stimulate climate research funding from politicians who want to use environmental fears to increase their power over the economy.

Note that "missing observations" were replaced with data generated by computer models and little to no information was supplied about those models. Also note the lack of details about warming/cooling of other areas around Antarctica. As far as I know, other areas may be cooling, but that didn't merit mentioning since it doesn't help achieve the objective of more funding.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (23) Jan 07, 2013
Of course it is debatable whether or not the active volcano under the ice sheet will have any effect on the remainder of the ice sheet where there are no volcanoes. To settle that argument, scientists will keep watch on the entire ice sheet, not just at the Byrd station region.
Pussytard thinks that doing science is typing whatever pops into ones mind with a certain air of authority.

This is not how science is done pussytard. Youve dumped -what?- 10 posts of guessing and imagining. You think scientists study ice sheets by putting bunsen burners under blocks of ICE?? Dont you see how IGNORANT this is?
It is imperative for scientists to determine
What makes you think you know what is imperative for scientists to do, and what is not? As you admitted to in the thread about wiki, you have no TIME for research, only guessing and flooding. Correct?
Socialist_DirtBag
3.3 / 5 (11) Jan 08, 2013
Um Ghost, I believe that your dishonesty knows no boundaries as to taking what someone has said and changing it to suit your self centered ego.
You see, I read the post by Obama_socks again and he meant using a bunsen burner under a block of ice on the ground as an experiment to SIMULATE the active volcano under the West Antarctic ice sheet.
Do you understand "simulation'?
That "certain air of authority" seems to have a lot more validity to it than your own lack of evidence to the contrary, Ghost.

It seems that you have no such evidence, but your ego forces you to put down everyone else who does, possibly so that everyone on Phys.org will look up to you for every bit of information, although you haven't recommended any sites that would refute Obama_sock's assertions.

You are just full of hot gas, Ghost. If you have nothing better to offer, I suggest you just read and STFU, Ghost
Oh, that includes you too, FrankHerbert, since I have read that you are also TheGhostofOtto1923.
Socialist_DirtBag
2.8 / 5 (9) Jan 08, 2013
(contd)

"If you took a long block of 6 inch thick ice about 4 x 3 ft, set it on the ground and place a bunsen burner just below grade beneath one side of the block, you can observe how the ice melts on one side and the meltwater pours down and is replaced by the ice above. You will then have a thinning of the ice above the burner (active volcano simulation) as the ice at the top continues to move downwards to replace the ice that has become meltwater.
(contd)"
Obama_socks said

Sorry Ghost, nowhere did Obamasox mention any scientists doing that experiment. He says IF YOU TOOK. That means ANYBODY can take a block of ice for that experiment, and yet TheGhostofOtto has made the outrageous assertion that Obamasox means for scientists to do such an experiment.

GHOST LIES AGAIN. As a matter of fact, GHOST HAS TOLD LIES IN EVERY PHYS.ORG THREAD THAT I HAVE EVER READ.
GhostofOtto will use his sockbot lite to vote me down. No problem since the voting scores are of no value.

FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (17) Jan 08, 2013
You seriously can't make one post without blowing your cover, can't you?

Try again obama_socks/pirouette/ritchieguy. Lay off the crack.
Caliban
4.4 / 5 (7) Jan 08, 2013
(contd)
"If you took a long block of 6 inch thick ice about 4 x 3 ft, set it on the ground and place a bunsen burner just[...]continues to move downwards to replace the ice that has become meltwater.
(contd)" Obama_socks said


So then, sockdirt, why defend the moron that posts such an inane comment? Everyone --including the scientists responsible for this research-- understand that ice melts when it is heated above its melting point, yes?

These same scientists are fully aware of the existence of this goddam volcano. They are also aware that its effect upon the ice balance of the WAIS is --even at its greatest possible thermal contribution-- MINISCULE, as it is only an extremely localized influence.

It is not a supervolcano or a Deccan- or Siberian- Traps type of volcano, and its effect --if there is any effect at all-- will be limited to the area of ice which lies more or less directly above it, which is only a few square miles, at the very most, of nearly 1M mi^2.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 08, 2013
I never said anything about a supervolcano, Deccan, etc. etc. I said it is an "active volcano".
Although there are some moron imbeciles like FrankHerbert/Blotto who seem to have a problem with what I said about the volcano being active. FH also seems to deny the very existence of the active volcano, when it said

quote FrankHerbert Jan 05, 2013 Rank: 2.6 / 5 (10)
"How are they supposed to measure the temperature of something that doesn't exist, moron?"

LOL...Theghostofotto1923 aka FrankHerbert comes out with the irrational ad hominems when he/it has nothing worth adding to the discussion, but absolutely has to make himself feel good by flooding the thread to impress others with his lack of knowledge of the topic.

http://news.bbc.c...4579.stm
Ancient Antarctic Eruption Noted
This is from the BBC's perspective.

I will post more info on this topic as I find them. Also, look at the map above. Notice that the red area is in the Western part...active volcano.
FrankHerbert
2.2 / 5 (17) Jan 08, 2013
How are they supposed to measure the temperature of something that doesn't exist, moron?

Lay off the crack, tard.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (9) Jan 09, 2013
BTW, Caliban...why would you consider my comment about the block of ice inane? If you bothered to read my other post, your fuzzy brain might've picked up on the fact that I never said that scientists were testing an ice block melting with a bunsen burner beneath the ice.
Perhaps you considered my statement a bit too deep for your ability to fully grasp the concept, eh?
Or is it that you're just so used to kissing FrankHerbert/Blotto's behind, and VD's too, that you can't think for yourself and wish to remain in their good graces, eh?

Your plebeian attitude toward the active volcano under the ice sheet in the Western part of Antarctica that I have proposed as the source of the melting of ice and its flow to the sea convinces me that you are as closed minded as your "friends" whom I have mentioned previously.
You have proven yourself to be less interested in science than even you believe yourself to be, and that you are just another sad sack of shit, and you deserve Blotto/FH/VendicarD
obama_socks
1 / 5 (10) Jan 09, 2013
What doesn't exist, FrankHerbert akaTheghostofotto1923?
What are you talking about, you freaking imbecile?

Muahahahahahahahahhahaa
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) Jan 09, 2013
How are they supposed to measure the temperature of something that doesn't exist, moron?

Lay off the crack, tard.
-Frank the Crank aka Blotto

Measure the temperature of what, you idiot sock puppet?

As you are only Blotto's sock puppet, it is YOU who doesn't exist...except in the mentally diseased mind of Theghostofotto1923
Caliban
5 / 5 (7) Jan 09, 2013
BTW, Caliban...why would you consider my comment about the block of ice inane? If you bothered to read my other post, your fuzzy brain might've picked up on the fact that I never said that scientists were testing an ice block melting with a bunsen burner beneath the ice.


And nor did I imply that you did.

However, this doesn't in any way lessen the inanity of the comment, as the principles and forces involved are very well understood --and by everyone, including the scientists involved in this research-- as I pointed out in my goddam comment, which you would know, IF you had bothered to read it.

The entirety of your comments I have already addressed at least twice, in this thread alone, save one:

I will post more info on this topic as I find them. Also, look at the map above. Notice that the red area is in the Western part...active volcano.


Regarding this, I would advise you not to get your hopes up, "Active" volcano, or no.

obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (14) Jan 09, 2013
I never had any doubt that the scientists involved in this research are fully aware of all the processes and the consequences of those processes.
As far as what you call an "inane" comment, it wasn't directed at any particular individual. It was just a statement that made available the knowledge that a simulation could be made re: the processes that are going on in the western Antarctic through an active volcano heating the ice and turning it into meltwater. It is as plain as the nose on your face, but there is almost always at least one person who may not understand the particulars of the concept. Bringing those particulars to light is not inane, otherwise you could call the whole article inane, since most of us are already aware of what is happening in the Antarctic.

Getting my hopes up has absolutely nothing to with the thinning of the ice sheet in that region of western Antarctica. As you can probably see on the map provided, the rest of Antarctica seems to be intact. (contd)
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (14) Jan 09, 2013
It is in the red area and the surrounding regions in the part of the map that is of major concern. And that part of the map just happens to show the western part of Antarctica where the active volcano is located. The thinning of the ice is in that location and a little further out, but the consequences of that thinning and meltwater being produced are that the ice melts and flows out, and is replaced by more ice which also melts and flows out. If you do not comprehend the physicality of ice melting at the bottom of an ice sheet due to a source of warmth or heat coming up from below, then you will continue to believe that the thinning is caused by CO2 circulating in the atmosphere above the Antarctic ice sheet. The problem with that is that the thinning is localized and it is not affecting the whole continent. That is what convinces me that the active volcano is the source of the thinning of the ice sheet ONLY in that smaller region, (according to the map).
The Alchemist
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 09, 2013
Really cool stuff would be happening on a mass of ice like Antartica if the volcanos were doing anything: Massive Earthquakes-sorry Icequakes, hot springs, etc... These are not occuring, at least as far as 15 min of research indicates. (Please don't mention Deception Island). Like I said, volcanism is in equilibrium, or more likely in decline. Not a significant factor.
Caliban
5 / 5 (5) Jan 09, 2013
It is in the red area and the surrounding regions in the part of the map that is of major concern. And that part of the map just happens to show the western part of Antarctica where the active volcano is located. The thinning of[...]the source of the thinning of the ice sheet ONLY in that smaller region, (according to the map).


WTF is this gibberish?

You do realize that you are only making more and more of a hash out of what was already an ill-conceived and less than thought out assertion?

Continued efforts to justify your initial mistake are only making you sound more desperate and shrill.

The effects of this vulcanism you claim are --or is it MIGHT BE?--occurring are simply NOT OBSERVED, and most definitely not on the scale which you so vividly imagine.

Get over it. Pack up your wagon and move on. There will be plenty of other articles here to comment upon, and --who knows-- with a little thought, you might even get it right, next time!

But this one's a lost cause.

obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 09, 2013
Really cool stuff would be happening on a mass of ice like Antartica if the volcanos were doing anything: Massive Earthquakes-sorry Icequakes, hot springs, etc... These are not occuring, at least as far as 15 min of research indicates. (Please don't mention Deception Island). Like I said, volcanism is in equilibrium, or more likely in decline. Not a significant factor.
-Alchemist

http://live.psu.e...ry/60832
Antarctic Ice Sheet Quakes Shed Light on Ice Movement and Earthquakes

IF your assertion is correct that active volcanoes under the Western Antarctic ice sheet (as had been reported) are in decline, it would still not allow for AGW to melt the ice UNDERNEATH the ice sheet that turns into meltwater that enables the ice above it to move and flow toward the sea. AGW would only affect the ice sheet at the surface, in which case there could not be a melting at the bottom of the ice sheet in the absence of heat from a volcano.

(contd)
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (22) Jan 09, 2013

would still not allow for AGW to melt the ice UNDERNEATH the ice sheet that turns into meltwater that enables the ice above it to move and flow toward the sea. AGW would only affect the ice sheet at the surface

"Global warming is causing the ice packs to melt, which then has water runoff that flows over the ice packs melting the surface and into the ocean and melting the bottom of the ice as well. This in turn causes the packs to melt faster."

-You lazy fucking dimwit.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (22) Jan 09, 2013
I never had any doubt that the scientists involved in this research are fully aware of all the processes and the consequences of those processes.
Because you pretend you know what they know. Just like you pretend to be a NASA engineer (contract). What in hell makes you think you can get away with this bullshit??
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 09, 2013
What bullshit, Blotto? I have as much right to post as you have...even more because I don't stalk anybody like you do.
LOL...it is inevitable for Theghostofotto1923/FrankHerbert to show up with nothing germane to offer toward the topic of the discussion. For some strange reason, Blotto has a huge problem with my choice of Engineering as my profession, and is pissed off because I and several others have outed him/it as the premier sock puppeteer of Physorg. Notice Blotto's use of the supposedly abusive "lazy fucking dimwit" epithet (and many others) to interest all other commenters in his "power over the people" on Physorg? I suppose those words are supposed to "scare" me so that I will no longer make my opinions known on this website. But Blotto/FrankHerbert is grossly mistaken, as I will continue to post my opinions whether he/it likes it or not. And I suggest that everyone else not be afraid of the big bad Blotto and his/its sock puppets.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 09, 2013
"Global warming is NOT causing the ice sheet to melt in WAIS, which has no surface water runoff to flow over the ice packs melting the surface and into the ocean and melting the bottom of the ice as well. This Anthropogenic Global Warming does NOT cause the ice sheet to melt faster." -You Blotto lazy fucking dimwit.

There...I fixed THAT lie.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (10) Jan 09, 2013
It is in the red area and the surrounding regions in the part of the map that is of major concern. And that part of the map just happens to show the western part of Antarctica where the active volcano is located. The thinning of[...]the source of the thinning of the ice sheet ONLY in that smaller region, (according to the map).

You do realize that you are only making more and more of a hash out of what was already an ill-conceived and less than thought out assertion?

Continued efforts to justify your initial mistake are only making you sound more desperate and shrill.

The effects of this vulcanism you claim are --or is it MIGHT BE?--occurring are simply NOT OBSERVED, and most definitely not on the scale which you so vividly imagine.
-Caliban

You obviously haven't understood the links I posted. The scientists are observing the effects of the heat from the volcano(es). It is an ongoing observation and they will write their papers when they acquire more information.

Caliban
5 / 5 (5) Jan 09, 2013
IF your assertion is correct that active volcanoes under the Western Antarctic ice sheet (as had been reported) are in decline, it would still not allow for AGW to melt the ice UNDERNEATH the ice sheet that turns into meltwater that enables the ice above it to move and flow toward the sea. AGW would only affect the ice sheet at the surface, in which case there could not be a melting at the bottom of the ice sheet in the absence of heat from a volcano.


No, warm surface currents intensified by AGW melt the icesheet on the underside and face, causing melting.

Since ice is essentially just a highly viscous liquid, as the outer and under side of the sheet is melted by warm water circulation, the ice mass further within the sheet moves to replace it, "seeking its own level", like any other liquid.

obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 10, 2013
Caliban...The only melting of the "underside" of the ice sheet in the region of the WAIS is caused by the heat of the active volcano. In that region, the ice sheet is NOT in the sea...yet. Since the portion of the ice sheet hasn't slid into the sea, but is still on land above the volcano, there is no way for the warm seawater to melt the bottom of the ice sheet...UNTIL that portion has slid into the sea by the movement of the meltwater as the ice rides on it.

You said..."under side of the sheet is melted by warm water circulation, the ice mass further within the sheet moves to replace it, "seeking its own level"...

that is basically what I said earlier about the bottom of the ice sheet where the ice is heated into warm water and flows away, only to be replaced by the ice from above as "it seeks its own level".
IF there are any 'warm surface currents', these surface currents cannot reach down through the thickness of the ice sheet and touch the bottom level to melt it. (contd)
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 10, 2013
(contd)
The portion of the WAIS referred to in the article is on LAND, not IN the sea. Eventually, the ice sheet moves (glides) on the heated meltwater and reaches salt water where it can melt a little faster if the air and seawater are both warmer than the ice. This may seem redundant, but there may be those few who still don't get it for whatever reason.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 10, 2013
In the map in this link from MSNBC, David Glacier is shown to be quite close to the Pine Island, which is in or near the general area where the active volcano lies beneath the WAIS, even though technically, David Glacier is considered a part of the East Antarctic.
I disagree with the link article's claim that the regular seismic events affecting the glacier's movement are caused by ocean tides. The almost precise 25 minute intervals between each seismic event doesn't seem to be a result of the pushing and pulling of tidal ebb and flow. IMO, it is more related to magma ebb and flow. Perhaps a new volcano is forming under David Glacier or not far from it. A geyser similar to Old Faithful in Yellowstone Park, could erupt on a regular basis, spewing boiling water and steam brought up from far below. The scientists are only guessing at the cause of the seismic events at David Glacier. I'm convinced there's a volcanic explanation for it.
http://www.msnbc....LbY6fMUU
Caliban
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 10, 2013
In the map in this link from MSNBC, David Glacier is shown to be quite close to the Pine Island, which is in or near the general area where the active volcano lies beneath the WAIS, even though technically, David Glacier is considered a part of the East Antarctic.[...]The scientists are only guessing at the cause of the seismic events at David Glacier. I'm convinced there's a volcanic explanation for it.
http://www.msnbc....LbY6fMUU


...and I'm only guessing, but still convinced, that a lesion has formed in your hippocampus and is causing you to go all mental 'n' shit, even though I don't have an article which doesn't support that belief to not back it up...still, I'm sure you've definitely gone mental.

TheGhostofOtto1923
1.6 / 5 (20) Jan 10, 2013
I disagree with the link article's claim that the regular seismic events affecting the glacier's movement are caused by ocean tides. The almost precise 25 minute intervals between each seismic event doesn't seem to be a result of the pushing and pulling of tidal ebb and flow. IMO
You disagree with the conclusions of scientists who have spent years studying conditions, while you read a few articles and look at a few pictures and decide you are right and they are wrong.

The only sort of engineer who would exhibit this level of disregard for professional judgement, is an insane one. I don't think you are an insane engineer pussytard as you are obviously not an engineer. Your disregard is the result of insanity coupled with a substandard intellect.

In other words you are an imbecile who is too demented to realize the fact.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (10) Jan 15, 2013
I disagree with the link article's claim that the regular seismic events affecting the glacier's movement are caused by ocean tides. The almost precise 25 minute intervals between each seismic event doesn't seem to be a result of the pushing and pulling of tidal ebb and flow. IMO


The above was in reference to David Glacier, not Pine Island Glacier. David Glacier is very close to Mount Erebus, an active volcano...which I believe to be the cause of all the seismic events at David Glacier.

You disagree with the conclusions of scientists who have spent years studying conditions, while you read a few articles and look at a few pictures and decide you are right and they are wrong.
-TheghostofBlotto

Even scientists can be wrong, which seems to be more than a rare occurrence.
It is Blotto's apparent worship of scientists that cause him/it to require the same kind of worship from everyone else.
It is volcanic heat that is the cause of the melting of the ice sheet.
Caliban
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 16, 2013
It is volcanic heat that is the cause of the melting of the ice sheet.


If volcanic melting is happening at all, it is still an extremely localized process, and doesn't account for the vast, vast majority of the observed loss.

VendicarD
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 16, 2013
Old faithful produces around 20,000 gallons of boiling water every hour.

Obama Sox feels that this is enough to hot water to melt a major part of the Antarctic ice sheet on the order of 100 cubic miles per year.

"A geyser similar to Old Faithful in Yellowstone Park, could erupt on a regular basis, spewing boiling water and steam brought up from far below." - Sox

Clearly he is mentally ill.
VendicarD
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 16, 2013
Here is a wonderful picture of an active volcano...

http://www.anythi...fuji.jpg

"I said it is an "active volcano"." - Obama Sox

It doesn't generate enough heat to melt the snow that falls on top of it.

Poor Sox. He needs to re-visit his psychiatrist.
VendicarD
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 16, 2013
Sox. Your mental illness is growing worse. You need to have your medication changed.

"Your plebeian attitude toward the active volcano under the ice sheet in the Western part of Antarctica that I have proposed" - Sox

You poor boy. You can't even figure out how much heat a volcano emits.

Not even the non-existent ones that exist in that fantasy land you have created for yourself.
VendicarD
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 16, 2013
Poor self deluded sox. He didn't read the article, and doesn't know what the red region represents.

"It is in the red area and the surrounding regions in the part of the map that is of major concern." - Sox

I have a hint for you Tard Boy. It isn't temperature.

VendicarD
3.9 / 5 (7) Jan 16, 2013
This would be the fantasy volcano that you imagine.

One that is completely invisible but capable of melting ice over an area of a million square kilometers.

"And that part of the map just happens to show the western part of Antarctica where the active volcano is located." - Sox

Change your medication Sox.
VendicarD
3.9 / 5 (7) Jan 16, 2013
This would be the 3 million invisible volcanoes that you claim are under the ocean.

"The scientists are observing the effects of the heat from the volcano(es)." - Sox

Your cartoon assertions remind me of the claims made by your mentally ill brothers and sisters that there is an invisible hole in the north pole that leads into the hollow earth.

Poor self deluded Sox. Do you get headaches? They are probably caused by the alien implant left in your skull.
VendicarD
3.9 / 5 (7) Jan 16, 2013
Wow, a mentally ill Kook disagrees with a scientist.

Stop the presses.

"I disagree with the link article's claim that the regular seismic events affecting the glacier's movement are caused by ocean tides." - Sox
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (21) Jan 16, 2013
-Well said VD.
Even scientists can be wrong, which seems to be more than a rare occurrence.
Well the reciprocal of this would be that even pussytard could be right about at least one thing but this would be an extremely unlikely possibility as it hasnt occured yet.

And as we all know pussytard thinks that guessing and making shit up while using sufficiently large words she doesnt understand, are valid forms of scientific speculation. But we also know that this activity is called 'pretending'. Or 'make-believe'.

To be fair we havent yet ruled out the existance of 900 ft tall snoozing glass-headed martians, but this too seems unlikely.
FrankHerbert
2.1 / 5 (14) Jan 16, 2013
Lol Otto, don't forget the obama_socks account is only for making fun of liberals and no serious statements are ever made on it. He's a serious engineer and reserves his care topics for his secret serious engineering account. Duh.

No one here has ever once seen obama_socks post multiple serious posts within an hour and get irate over someone pointing out how dumb those points were (volcanoes melting glaciers, lead boomerangs, UFOs, invisible martians, etc). Of course obama_socks was just making dumb points intentionally to draw dirty socialists out and have a good laugh at them.
[/sarcasm]

I don't doubt that many engineers are randite scum; however, obama_socks is clearly too damn stupid to be any kind of professional, let alone an engineer.
Estevan57
2.8 / 5 (31) Jan 16, 2013
Frank/Otto you are talking to yourself again, time for the meds.
Estevan57
2.9 / 5 (33) Jan 16, 2013
Thanks for the PMs, Frank. Shall I post the other 120?
FrankHerbert 20min ago
bitchface.
FrankHerbert 17 h 47 min ago
bitchface
FrankHerbert 01.15.2013 12:14
bitchface.
FrankHerbert 01.15.2013 03:01
bitchface
FrankHerbert 01.12.2013 22:43
bitchface.
FrankHerbert 01.09.2013 23:34
bitchface
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (11) Jan 16, 2013
Lol Otto, don't forget the obama_socks account is only for making fun of liberals and no serious statements are ever made on it. He's a serious engineer and reserves his care topics for his secret serious engineering account. Duh.

No one here has ever once seen obama_socks post multiple serious posts within an hour and get irate over someone pointing out how dumb those points were (volcanoes melting glaciers, lead boomerangs, UFOs, invisible martians, etc). Of course obama_socks was just making dumb points intentionally to draw dirty socialists out and have a good laugh at them.
[/sarcasm]

I don't doubt that many engineers are randite scum; however, obama_socks is clearly too damn stupid to be any kind of professional, let alone an engineer.
-FrankHerbutt/Blotto

As usual, the Dissociative Identity Disordered pair cannot help but make up lies about anyone not in their high schooler clique. But it does provide a good laugh for me to read such nonsense.

Muahahahahahahahahhaahha
FrankHerbert
1.6 / 5 (13) Jan 16, 2013
Find that volcano yet?

Thanks for the PMs, Frank. Shall I post the other 120?

As long as you are an unabashed racist on this website, there is more where that came from.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (10) Jan 16, 2013
FrankHerbert, the sock puppet of Theghostofotto923 is THE BIGGEST RACIST in this Physorg... while it has been known to anxiously label all others (except for VendicarDtard) as racists, bigots and homophobes. Anxiously, because if FrankH cannot find the opportunity to affix such a label on someone, the sock puppet then tells lies about its "quarry", possibly thinking that all other commenters will then turn against said quarry.

This telling of lies by the sock puppet and the puppet master has been recognized for many years, as it has been going on for many years.

All the rest of us who recognize the sock puppet's attempts to set commenters against other commenters by such lies, are laughing our heads off every time those lies are told.

Incidentally, FrankH lies once again about Estevan57. I have never seen Estevan57 mention anything of a racist or bigoted nature.

FrankH needs its Thorazine badly.

Muahahahahahahahaahahaaa
obama_socks
1.5 / 5 (8) Jan 16, 2013
As far as "lead boomerangs" and "invisible martians", that would come from FrankHerbert/Theghostofotto1923's vivid imagination, since he/they have never once proved that I have ever said anything like that. The only thing that I have to admit to saying, is my belief in UFOs in Earth's air space, mainly because I and many others have witnessed the UFO spacecrafts that are here.

That FrankH/Blotto and VendicarD et al have never seen a UFO except in movies is not my problem, and it only goes to show how far ignorantly envious people will go to put down something that they have never personally experienced. Blotto/FH and VendicarD...you are all apparently in need of heavier sedation. Perhaps a dose of Thorazine for your mental problems?

Blotto/FrankH...show us all where it says that I ever said anything about "lead boomerangs" and/or "invisible martians". I would like to see your evidence. Go ahead...prove me wrong with the link to such statements.

Muahahahahahahahahahhahahaah
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (20) Jan 16, 2013
Lol Otto, don't forget the obama_socks account is only for making fun of liberals and no serious statements are ever made on it. He's a serious engineer and reserves his care topics for his secret serious engineering account. Duh.
Yeah in her secret physorg club full of asstronauts and asstronomers and politicians and other such asses. Ha.
That FrankH/Blotto and VendicarD et al have never seen a UFO except in movies is not my problem
See, someone thoroughly trashes yet one more of pussytards idiot daydreams and she spends the next 10 posts throwing insults. And estebug jumps right in to defend her. I detect a causal connection. Father/daughter, uncle/niece, bf/gf, unholy union -?

Or are they all in fact just one thoroughly demented, bedridden and terminally constipated individual? No matter. Esai are bedbugs growing large and fat feeding on your bedsores?
show us all where it says that I ever
Show us where you werent once lying about who and what you are. Ritchieboy.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.4 / 5 (21) Jan 16, 2013
You know I was walking through walmart the other day and passed this woman with rolls of fat spilling out over her spandex tights, eating a freeking DOUGHNUT. I made oink oink noises at her, I couldnt help myself. She seemed oddly proud of her ability to offend and disgust.

Was that you pussytard? You seem to possess a similar such personality.
FrankHerbert
1.8 / 5 (16) Jan 16, 2013
Did she smell of tard? That would have been a dead giveaway.
Estevan57
2.9 / 5 (33) Jan 16, 2013
Oinking at a woman? Really now. How were you raised, you pig?
You seem seem oddly proud of your ability to offend and disgust.

Defending obama socks? Get real, pig.

Got example? Or is that just more B.S. from OttoFrank.

TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (22) Jan 16, 2013
Did she smell of tard? That would have been a dead giveaway.
She smelled of lard.
obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (10) Jan 16, 2013
Lol Otto, don't forget the obama_socks account is only for making fun of liberals and no serious statements are ever made on it. He's a serious engineer and reserves his care topics for his secret serious engineering account. Duh.
Yeah in her secret physorg club full of asstronauts and asstronomers and politicians and other such asses. Ha.
That FrankH/Blotto and VendicarD et al have never seen a UFO except in movies is not my problem
See, someone thoroughly trashes yet one more of pussytards idiot daydreams and she spends the next 10 posts throwing insults. And estebug jumps right in to defend her. I detect a causal connection. Father/daughter, uncle/niece, bf/gf, unholy union -?
Blotto/FH

Blotto/FrankH...show us all where it says that I ever said anything about "lead boomerangs" and/or "invisible martians". I would like to see your evidence. Go ahead...prove me wrong with the link to such statements.

Muahahahahahahahahahhahahaah

obama_socks
1.4 / 5 (10) Jan 16, 2013
LOL...Seems to me that it is TheghostofBlotto1923 who needs defending...let's see...so far...Blotto/FrankH is defended by antialiaspissorg, VendicarD (Scott Nudds), Caliban and a few others, and, of course, Blotto's favorite sock puppet, FrankHerbert aka FrankHerbret, CardacianNeverid et al...ALL Blotto's sock puppets except for AA, Caliban and VD.

Blotto/FrankH stops to tell us a tidbit about his Walmart adventures w/instructions on how to oink at fat women. Did he call her pussytard also while looking down at her voluminous crotch and thinking of his mom? Most likely ALL women remind Blotto?FrankH of his mom who stunk.

I read about your richieguy, Blotto/FH. So THAT's what you've been doing all this time, you devil you.
No wonder you hate pussy so much. nyuck nyuck nyuck

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Blotto/FrankH...show us all where it says that I ever said anything about "lead boomerangs" and/or "invisible martians". I would like to see your evidence. Go ahead...prove me wrong with the link to it.

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